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Thanksketaming: Dave Filoni Lucasfilm CCO, Alan Wake 2 & The Killer · Multiple Nerdgasm

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well it is that time of year where America wants us to tell us what we're
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thankful for so I'll start
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camine welcome to multiple
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nerdgasm with your hosts Matt Luke and
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Dan multiple nerdgasm your guide to All
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Things
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nerdy okay can I invert this and can I say something that I'm really not
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thankful for in fact I'm quite resentful for I suppose it's to do with America I
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I don't know why we have Black Friday now right because all it means is I
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can't go shopping anymore oh what because it's just [ __ ] horrible okay
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I'm going to going to put this out there you weren't going shopping today anyway
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oh I went shopping today and it was [ __ ] awful buted shopping today
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because of it so no no no I didn't go shopping to get [ __ ] sales I went
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shopping because I needed shopping to do and you just had to get some stuff I
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resented every person there and like what is what is Black Friday what is
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Black Friday Matt um I don't know where it com black I know what it is it's the
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day after Thanksgiving and I guess because everyone tags the day off work
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they figured you might as well come to thees is because people get murdered
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when they go shopping that could be it like get trampled to death and it's just
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a really bad sugesting only a particular race of people go shopping on that day
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because that's definitely not it every we had black Wednesday in Australia and
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that was because of the Bush wday oh early okay began in early 17th century
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at school slang in the sense Friday on which an examination is held okay so
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when you're at school if you an Black Friday today we got exams all right the
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shopping sense dates from the 19 60s and it was originally used with reference to
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the congestion created by Shoppers so which is what you're complaining so it
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is it is it is a derogative term and it has later been kind of explained away as
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the day when retailers bank accounts go from being in the red to being in the
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black which probably is also true yes because a lot of the deals that you'll
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be seeing or or that you have seen today or if you're listening to this saw last
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week mhm uh they they cost less than they're say that they cost the day
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before generally speaking like they put the price up and then they put it down
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again or don't do anything and they just put a sign up saying Black Friday and
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then you go in there expecting that you're getting things on they got one TV
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that they massively disount and then that's gone so you're in the store now
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and they're the ones that people get trampled for yes whereas in Australia I
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think it's worked quite well CU I just get Black Friday sales online and I just
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buy stuff for that week and I'm done that used to be Cyber Monday right and
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cyber M that's still happening there's still Cyber Monday cuz Cyber Monday is
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more about technology yes it's not just online sales it's technology
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sales but we don't really get that as much here everything just to hey we got
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a black Fray sale for this week well um I bought something today but it wasn't
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uh it wasn't something I bought on sale and it wasn't something I bought
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physically I've got to wait till at least tomorrow to get it so I'll review
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it next week but after going on and on about it for months now I finally pulled
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the trigger and I got a new phone so what Android did you get yeah I looked I
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looked I thought you know maybe no I can't I can't go back I tried it once
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it's iPhone 15 Pro Max it's the largest physically largest I got the
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smallest fck it in hard disk space cuz why do I need more than 256 Mega on
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something I just streamed cuz they make more money when you do if you want the
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phys phone you could just use an iPad with Wi-Fi calling perhaps and then you
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know oh that's true yeah hold that up yeah yeah well I mean I don't make calls
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on it so actually that wouldn't be such a bad idea except that I'd have to carry
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that outside when I walk my dog if I wanted to lenast larger pants to put it
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in the pocket much larger yeah and it's a bit hard to use one-handed while you
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are walking the dog you'd have to wear the pants that we used to wear in the '90s
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um you know the club link with all the buckles hanging off they were big pants
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we used to wear very big pants I saw an old picture of me and I'm like those
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pants are very big yes yeah and now the pants we wear
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are very small they are they're the smallest pants I've ever worn but
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unfortunately they're the same pants we were wearing back then they just feel
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smaller we're just yeah you're saying we put on weight or we're always
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Ed it's one of the two listeners right in listeners if you're watching this uh
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you may note this uh the video format is one that you've seen before that we
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stopped doing let us know what you think we've had sufficient feedback to say
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they people prefer this video where you can see all three of us so that when one
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of us says something stupid you can watch the other two being shocked
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disgusting or amused by it yeah that's right yeah or when Matt or I start to
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say anything and Luke holds his breath to see whether it's something contr look
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where like we're cutting this out aren't we silent and see where this goes and
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then just we don't cut anything out anymore like I don't say anything I can't be
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sued I got clips of You Luke so don't worry I got clips of you from years
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ago so yeah let us know what you think uh if you have a preference if you don't
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car either the way then I mean fine good but if you have a strong a on the audio
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this conversation means nothing to you no I want people who either haven't seen
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it or don't care either way to also ride in and give us their
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opinion that's what the internet's for don't care don't care don't care good
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lots of y haven't seen it no opinion don't even listen my friend told me
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about this it's a YouTube
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yeah yeah so I bought some stuff this
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week uh on sale one thing I bought is a little uh I finished auin did I mention
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that last week that i' finished did no no okay you said you started it but you
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didn't say You' finished it I have completed it uh loved it highly
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recommend it still so I double checked that I had it in my go library and I do
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um but I kind of want to buy it again so I can play it on the switch and I know
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that's stupid but uh I thoroughly enjoyed it that's probably what's going
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to happen I don't know is it on sale now for you know it's not on sale right now
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but it's not it's not that expensive no no it's I wouldn't know on the switch
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it's a 30 Buck switch game well it got me you know sometimes I'm in a mode
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where I want to play a AAA game and then it got me thinking oh I would mind a
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cool little indie game another one you know what I mean I liked that M so I
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checked out something that people have mentioned me before it's a little game
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called dredge yes that is um like a
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lovecraftian fishing simulator of sorts yeah and it's [ __ ] great switch so
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you spend most of your time fishing and then occasionally you catch a shog off
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is that how it works or so the beginning is you're out at Sea on your fishing
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boat you uh you get lost in the fog crashed onto some rocks and when you
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wake up you're in this little town on an island with a lighthouse and the mayor
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says he in the lighthouse mate what are you doing yeah and it and it's a little
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like Animal Crossing and he he he goes well your boat's [ __ ] but uh we've got
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this one you can have but you're going to have to pay me back yeah you're going
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to have to work it off in the town yeah so you kind of Potter around that is
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you're describing Animal Crossing yeah but but with like you said with shog
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Goths and yeah well not it's not it's not explicit as that first it's there's
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just everyone's a bit creepy everything something they never explicit at first
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that's the great thing about Lovecraft cuz you go fishing you catch fish that's
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great and every now and then you catch a fish and it's like you know
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diseased squid and you're like what the [ __ ] and then you take it to the fish
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guy and he's like oh that's a good one why the [ __ ] are you giving me this
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bring me more of those kind of yeah see I like this because I spoke to
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the developers of this game at PX this year this is made in New Zealand oh is
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that true I didn't know that yeah so it's I claim it's made locally cuz we
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claim not far from you we're on the same tectonic plate
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so we take I only play games on this tectonic plate no New Zealand's Got a
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great sort of a lot of games coming out of there they invest in their games unlik
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Australia austral playing I'm currently playing through a game developed in
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Australia by a company that no longer exists so oh uh Rockstar was it as B
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Team project Bond project Bond Bond team Bond team Bond team
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Bond yeah which is weird they made a great game and then we closed down
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because they made a good game yeah yeah
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yeah they uh they wouldn't do enough uh unpaid overtime and uh and so that I
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think the studio would live there yeah cuz they're like mate that's not how we
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[ __ ] do it in Australia
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which I guarantee they weren't paying them American wages they're paying them
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Australian wages so they're probably still paying them less than they would
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have been pay in America yeah I don't remember the full
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story but I know there was talk of it not being a great working environment towards the
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end they say that about every game to ex exactly which is why the Indie ones are
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the only ones that works because you're putting your Blood Sweat and Tears into
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it and you're getting the credit when you work for AA company not all the time
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I've spoken to IND developers who gone like I'm glad we've released this game
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cuz I never want to work with these people again oh okay sure and it's defin
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it's a shame that when it's so common now that when a game comes out and they
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didn't have to do like drastic crunch it's like a news story it's newsworthy
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oh we just made the game and released it and everyone we had good time management
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and then we went home and saw our families like this is where they need to
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do it where they don't announce the game because if you don't announce the game
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we're going releasing on this date you don't have to worry about crunch because
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it's true you don't announce it you don't have to release it well that was
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the funny thing about I read um I read the uh John Romero's book and Sid Meers
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books back to back and they couldn't have been more different so John Romero
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is all like [ __ ] we we lived at the office we moved our bed into the office
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like we broke up with all our girlfriends and and just so we could
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make the game and then Sid me's like I had a [ __ ] family mate I left at 5:00
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p.m. every day like it was my job I
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loved my job but my it was a job yeah
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less interesting book though well dredge is great I recommend it if
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you haven't played it um I will play it it's when I say it's about fishing it's
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not I mean you do fish in it but it's not like don't think oh it's like a
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fishing simulator I wonder just how much fishing was in there no it is but it's
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not it's not like it's more about the story because pretty quickly you bump
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into this person as a collector who says I need you to go dredge shipwrecks to
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find this stuff for me and it's you had me shipwreck I'm in
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so there's no combat as such yet uh uh
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you have to avoid some kind of beasties but um that's how
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I play anyway like not not much of that yeah all right good oh yeah and at
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night if you're at at night and the fog comes in you start to get paranoid and
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you have a little eye appears at the top and then you just start to see
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hallucinate things on the horizon and oh that's cool yeah that's cool that
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reminds me of ancestors did you ever play that game where you play as
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protohuman chimps I remember you guys talking about it oh yeah remember that
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Luke yeah I never completed it it was it was too much it was a good concept but
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it was too much it was a good idea but they they didn't teach you how to play
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the game yeah and part of the reason was because they obviously don't have
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language you can't communicate with anyone and so they kind of built that
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into the controls as well that like there's no tutorial but if you start to
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stray off into places you ARF familiar with you just start getting scared and
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you the way you get scared is you just start seeing terrifying [ __ ] in the dark
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like so it's visceral but it could have been a great game it just yeah didn't
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you do need to explain a little bit of how it work I needed another million
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years of evolution so that there was some kind of rudimentary language that I
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could you needed to evolve for another yeah me yeah I was just I'm way behind
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on this yeah I'm not evinced now I'm playing something this week uh and I'm
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playing this because I mean I always was going to play it then Luke you said you
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were enjoying and I was like [ __ ] it I'll pull the trigger on it so I'm
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playing Alan Wake too uh very good very very good yeah okay you're going to get
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to a chapter soon you're going to know which one I'm talking about
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amazing I'm loving this I'm loving being
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back um at cauldron Lake it's uh like
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the same type of game as the first one um I think they've added to it the
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com really yeah yeah it's different um more to do cuz the first one's like walk
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around in the dark shoot beasties follow this line of light and then things they
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come and get you so you're in the same place you're a different
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character um you're an FBI agent uh it's like Luke said last week set 13 years
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later yeah okay I didn't know you didn't play as Allen so this this happens right
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at the start but yeah well so I've already played as two because the the
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first level you play as a real big fat old dude and I'm like finally a game
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character I can relate to he does not last long but he is
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Nightingale he is the FBI guy who comes out in the first game M and then gets I
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mean spoilers for a it's not that old 2010 2011 it's pretty old his body turns
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up and then you have to you're you're the you're the FBI agent sent out to
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investigate and yes you do get to see his penis you do it's just it's on
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display for all to see just the penis no yeah just they got a it's a lineup so
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when you're controlling him you can't see the penis cuz if you move the camera
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he just keeps moving his body so his back's always to you and I'm like I
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tried doing the thing where you like run up to a wall and try and he tried harder
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than I did to see it yeah but then once he's on the slab in the morg and
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somewhere else as well you um it's just there he's there oh there it
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is right on Q very good I'll say this though and I I think I I told you this
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guys offline part of the game is in this mind Palace which is pretty cool when you
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putting these uh pieces together but you're controlling a cursor and I find
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that odd with a an Xbox controller I feel that they had a mouse in mind when
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they thought about that mind Palace in the Hannibal Lector sense I don't know
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if you've read those exactly okay yeah cool but you know it's it's quite
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interesting cuz yeah you get all these Clues and you putting up on the and you
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work and tell sort of go when you get enough Clues up go maybe I need to go
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here and find out what's happening here yeah and when you when you feel you've
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looked around everywhere in an area you're like I better go back to the Mind
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Palace because clearly there's something I've missed like I've got to make a
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connection a mental connection of something before the game will tell me
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where to go next it's very very good whether is combat in the
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game it's not like it was before where it's okay I'm now going to be in combat
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for the next 30 minutes while I go thir here it's you're in combat but you're
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heading towards something then you do investigation then you head somewhere
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else and yeah some of the first one was a bit tedious to be very tedious and if
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it wasn't that the story and the atmosphere was so good I would have put
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it down and in fact I did it took me a couple of gos to really get into it I
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think one say birds in the
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second I haven't encountered him yet so I just hear his voice in my head yeah not yet
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Birds what birds I'm going to leave my wife who
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scared the dark alone in this house while I go outside and look
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around what could go wrong wait do I even have a
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wife well does he spoilers push for the first
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game um I've got some bad news related to
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Star Wars bad news for me and bad news for me too but I know people that are
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going to be over the moon about this a lot of people clearly what's happening
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David filon is the new Chief creative officer of Lucas film which means if you
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like the Clone Wars and the change of Direction I would say a lot of the Star
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Wars TV shows have taken yeah you'll be happy but I am
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not I don't know I'm torn I I guess I don't even care that's that's that's and
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that's yeah yeah that's where I'm at I wish I did care if they made more stuff
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like Andor i' I'd care yeah but if they're doing Obi-Wan and they're doing
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auka and they're doing it's just not for
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me anymore no Soo wasn't that bad but that was mainly because I bring Thorn
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back you don't want not that bad I want [ __ ] excellent from Star Wars thank
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you and don't get me wrong we haven't
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had that since the 80s yes well Andor
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except for Andor Rogue one and Rogue one Rogue one and force awakens I'll stand
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by force awakens it wasn't perfect but I still enjoyed it yeah I I like it I like
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it yeah I saw this and I was like oh okay good good for him like and to be
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fair he seems lovely I've seen him on uh put in the hour with um favro he he
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cares about Star Wars exactly yeah and that's why George Lucas put so much
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trust in him is because he does genuinely and I think he and Lucas are on the same
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page um it's oh M I bet Lucas [ __ ] loves the Clone Wars like you know what
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I mean like I bet he's like yeah that's what I meant this whole time well he was
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still involved with it that stage and the reason why I'm sort of a
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bit could be a good thing is filon has also liked the extended universe as well
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he's a part he he enjoyed that he read that he knows he be bringing stuff in
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from that which is why is there like that's the whole thing like when Disney
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cut up and sort of scrapped that they scrapped a lot of stuff and that's why I
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struggled with Star Wars now because I don't understand it anymore yeah where
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are the twins have you seen that um I I know it's a setup it's fake but it's
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that meeting with um I think when they're doing Robot Chicken and Seth
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Green and the guys are in the office with George Lucas and they're all like
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talking and stuff like that and one of them says oh this where storms out yeah
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he says oh is Mara Jade G be in in anything and and George Goes get the
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[ __ ] out of my office get the [ __ ] out of my office and like grabs him and like
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thr [ __ ] come back so good it's so funny so I've got a
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question is the person that we know that claims to have come up with the
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character Mara Jade and then had the real character based on her is that a
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true story you guys know who I'm talking about right no I've heard it said but I
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have a hard time believing I don't think I know what you're talking about so
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do you remember when we made our film 20 years ago the night Watchman the Zombie
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Slumber Party movie yes one of the girls there her name was Debbie and she told
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us this story that way back in like the the 80s or ' 90s whenever it was she
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went to a con dressed up as her own character this female Jedi that she
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called Mara Jade and she was like the hottest chick there and everyone kept
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talking to her like official and non-official alike and she was saying
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I'm Mara Jade I'm this Jedi and then boom suddenly there's this character
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that starts cropping up in comics and books well it would have to have gotten
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to Timothy Zan right he invented Mara Jade if she didn't so as yeah so like I
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think I think what she's implying was Timothy Zan was at this Con saw her and went I
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mean I've seen Timothy zic cons and he'll [ __ ] talk to anybody so I'll
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put you in a [ __ ] it's not impossible so well I mean she's not like
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one of those people it's not like she just tells tall tals all the time this
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is the only interesting thing she's ever said but I was like [ __ ] what no I didn't mean
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that [ __ ] boring other than that no she's great but I falling asle she my
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attention Star Wars what yeah yeah what' you
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say yeah okay I mean yeah Timothy Zan as far as I know origin if you're a
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listener in yeah if if she talked to him I guess it's possible he's very friendly
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very talkative maybe Luke's Googling it I am I'm trying
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to see on a Wikipedia just trying to see cuz I don't know it just seems I don't
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even know like he might not have even admitted it to anyone he might have just
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said to her on the day I'm write a that would be a legal concern yeah yeah cuz
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he wouldn't have even said that she would have just said hang on he's named
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a character after me yeah you wouldn't say anything no if you
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if you did that but then also it's odd right because why was he he doesn't need
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to do that he invented unless he unless he stole all the characters he's
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invented like thousands and thousands of [ __ ] Star Wars characters over the
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years yeah no but he might have been riding a female Jedi a cool a cool chick
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and then met Debbie and then was like oh that's cool I'm I'm going to have that
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name it's a great name for that character or maybe met her forgot about
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it cuz he met hundreds of other people at that con and then the next day he
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went oh I know what to call her and then not just not realized where it came from
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that's possible also very possible or it could be a coincidence yeah yeah which
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is or they slept together she's only telling me half the story
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yeah yeah anything's possible looks hard
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researching I'm also fting a cat all right well I guess we'll follow
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up we follow we won't know we won't know um
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talking about sexy chicks from the early 90s oh yeah do you want to talk about
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Michelle Fifer is there any Michelle Fifer news do we have a Michelle fer
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news jingle I don't think we do Michelle Fifer I didn't think she was that great
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oh really I like don't think she was that great I lik her this movie that
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we're about to talk about I liked her quite a lot in this
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oh ironic considering we're about to discuss C
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yeah me because a cat went [ __ ] you you
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don't like Michelle F yeah all cats love so this is an old article and I'm not
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quite sure why I saw this but I think it was in
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relation to there's something that somebody says in this article that
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bugged me and I think it was being spread around on that basis so so I skim
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the article but I watched the video okay so it's
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an old article where a clip was shared that shows Michelle fer in Batman
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Returns which if you've seen it she plays Catwoman and there's a sequence
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where she goes into a department store and she whips the heads off a bunch of
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clothing M oh yeah I remember that yeah and the clip was Shar I remember seeing
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that as I was masturbating in the [Music]
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cinema and then it says that the clip the Tweet says reminder Michelle Fifer
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whipped the heads off those four mannequins in one take to thunderous
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Applause from the Batman Returns crew and then I was like well I haven't
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seen that in a long time but I think
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that's not true because I think it's visually obvious even though it still
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looks good but it to me it's still it's visually obvious that there's some kind
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of effect going on yes the heads are rigged to come it wouldn't be left to
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chance somebody yeah and then but thing that bugged me about this article was
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that uh this be here while most fans were jolted by her whipping some fans
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didn't seem to believe Fifer actually did the impressive stunt herself and
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insisted it was just a bit of movie Magic she's an absolute badass but
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there's clearly someone clearly people behind the mannequins pulling the heads
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off wrote one hater yeah right yeah and
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then o oh sorry I've got bubbles up on the screen what the hell but hater or
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did you do something else that's a apple reaction thing sorry about that anyway
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um the comment caused some to crack the whip and this you could have just said
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she's a badass did you really need to do a whole mansplaining but thing women can
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be applauded for being badasses just for the sake of being badasses and I'm like
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it confuses me why would you write an article about that is it is it
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mansplaining to just point out that oh actually that's not true yeah to just be
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honest to man or woman to anybody on the internet cuz the tweet treat was made by
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a man right is He Man expain to that man that that didn't happen I'm just so
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confused and then also what he's pointing out obvious factually not the
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case yeah yeah yeah feelings are more important than facts Now Matt and you
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should remember that you'll do well to remember I was just very confused by
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what why am I supposed to think about this I mean I'm annoyed too but we
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should pretend she did do it because we want her to be a badass she's still a
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badass clearly she still learned how to use the whip because she's doing it
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right what she's not doing is the impossible task of removing the head
26:37
from Wild Manus cuz it's not how whips work yeah you could be a whip expert and
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not man explaining or what it is like it's not true she didn't do that see I
26:48
think what you need to go with is this is a click baity article and just ignore
26:53
it yeah you're probably right it just really like got my blood boiling for
26:57
some reason because because it's a movie that's dear to my
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heart I do love her in it I do think she's a [ __ ] badass but I don't need
27:04
to make stuff up to think that and it bugs me that that somebody who just said
27:09
well actually that's not true she did she did do that Whip and it
27:15
did come off it was in one take one take that's true but what's not true is the
27:20
fact that the the mannequins were set up to for their heads to fall off when hit
27:24
at was somebody they get pulled off they don't if you if you look at it it's
27:28
quite obvious like the heads don't go in the right direction but it doesn't
27:32
matter yeah exactly it still looks good and it's like great but it's like yeah
27:36
it's not like they hit the chest and the head went flying like but I as somebody
27:40
who have never heard the claim that she did it in one go actually whipped them
27:44
off had never thought about I still can tell and knew it it's not real but also
27:50
Michelle F wasn't going round going for I want everyone to know that was not a
27:56
special effect in that documentary Batman Returns they just happened to be filming
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when I was whipping off the heads of [ __ ] mannequins and then they decided
28:07
to use that footage in the movie like as far as I know she's like yeah I mean I
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learned to use the whip but obviously it's a [ __ ] special effect yeah we
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did 10,000 takes until I got it right that's right and when I finally got it
28:20
right he was only in one take
28:26
exactly oh man have you you guys seen the um footage of David Bowie's contact
28:33
juggling from l oh sure he's got the man's hands through yeah there's a dude
28:36
behind him doing what theater sports kids will call Expert double figures
28:41
which is where somebody stands behind you and does the hand movements while
28:44
you're talking um except he's doing The Jug link but he drops it every other
28:49
time because he's down behind David Bowie oh [ __ ] difficult first of all
28:54
you got your hands through somebody's and that person happens to be David Bowie
28:58
D your face is in David Bo's ass while you're doing it he's wearing a
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leotard yeah and all you're thinking is don't turn around don't turn
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around MH it's great looks great though looks [ __ ] it looks fake to be honest it's so
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good that effect not even effect Fu excent he actually is doing that that's
29:23
one case where well sorry well someone is there there are some scenes where
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it's not real cuz then the ball like floats off into the distance that's
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obviously that's not real and also just to be clear it's never David Bowie doing
29:34
it correct it's a juggler doing it but my God they did it well yeah looks very convincing
29:41
effect yes and great I mean you can't you cannot tell me you didn't try and do
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that with a ball I met a guy at a party who could do that and I I was very drunk
29:52
and I was like [ __ ] teach me and OB didn't go well and he was like please
29:56
don't wreck those yeah that's right yeah got man got
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it we C St I still can't do it
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so St out yeah yeah he was blowing my mind at
30:13
the party he's BL on everybody's mind that's obviously that's why he learned
30:16
to do it to pick up chicks I was about to say I was at a party once and there
30:20
was a guy who could do it so it was either I was at either at that party or
30:24
there's a dude who just learned to do that and goes to parties every weekend
30:27
to just fing Ultimo or somewhere down that way where I think was yeah it would
30:33
have been 20 plus years ago mhm oh yeah yeah it would have been a while
30:39
ago we got actually is this Star Wars news somebody watch is skeleton crew
30:45
crew a Star Wars thing Skeleton Crew is a Star Wars thing and about halfway
30:49
through the trailer I was like man I might be in um it starts off there's
30:55
some dead stor Troopers a ship flying around Jude Law is there saying I've got
31:00
to get these kids to somewhere else in the galaxy and then it cuts to a bunch
31:05
of literal kids and I realize oh this is
31:09
a kid show with kids for kids oh
31:14
possibly by kids I don't I don't know
31:19
but I suddenly realized I'm not the target it was just a very good trailer
31:25
look we will get more Andor just remember that we'll get no more Andor
31:30
mate that's not certain because it got
31:33
called off for the strike and they might not finish
31:39
it back I know so do I but we might and the strike has had things bundle up like
31:44
we've got some general Orga news for example a little bit um but she's found
31:50
herself you know in in the time that the strike went on she could have filmed
31:53
three things but now that it's over they all want to start and she she can only
31:57
do one of them so stuff has to just get kicked off the list
32:01
yeah yep and and that's big bad news for
32:07
for a production as talk about it now
32:09
the she's um bailed on Scream s because she had to decide I think between that
32:16
and Wednesday season 2 mhm I think she made the right choice yeah and her
32:21
contract was up after the last screen cuz she's done a few of them now and so
32:25
she's just not going to do it and then so not only that and um some somebody
32:29
else I haven't seen them recently oh and cuz um what's her name Nev Campbell is not
32:34
doing them anymore either so they basically just said well we'll just
32:38
scrap what we had and we'll reset the
32:41
cre creatively reset oh okay all right oh just don't just write those
32:47
characters out I mean they were flogging a [ __ ] dead horse don't get me wrong
32:51
Scream one great scream two also great yeah all other screams not that good I like the
32:58
the trilogy I liked K Fisher in it well ironically I like Scream 3 is
33:05
bad as much as I like Return of the Jedi I do still count it as part of the
33:08
trilogy but it's definitely my least favorite yeah fair enough um I don't
33:15
actually really remember generala in Scream uh I've I've
33:20
certainly seen her in it but I haven't seen any of I don't think I've seen any
33:24
of the ones that she's in to be honest I don't gen tells me I have not Jenna
33:31
Ora just to be completely different Jen my wife Jen you have Matt you've seen me
33:36
I don't think so I don't know who you are stop calling me yeah yeah um they're
33:42
going to have to get me a goth I I kind of see her as your poor man's General
33:46
Orga she's great you're thinking man's Genera maybe I don't no no I love her I
33:51
love her too but she's just you she's like if you put General oer in the
33:54
microwave slightly too long and she just melted a bit
33:58
no she's beautiful but it's in a weird way don't she has a weird look but I
34:02
feel feel like she encourages the weird look a bit she like she's going for that
34:08
man have you seen um cronenberg's Sons movie where she plays just that [ __ ]
34:12
psycho [ __ ] on holidays that taunts one ofs isn't it right it's so good man it
34:18
is so good all of his movies are good but um like that one where you can buy
34:22
celebrity diseases did you watch that no
34:26
what it's cool old infection or infected or something like this but um basically
34:33
people you know how people like a autograph chases and stuff people try to
34:37
catch colds from celebrities when they've got them and say I've got
34:41
[ __ ] Johnny Depp's cold right now and stuff like this or I've got a CO saw
34:44
that was on Brad Pit
34:48
sck he's taken after his dad mate his
34:52
head Dad hold my [ __ ] drink yeah I watched uh oh it might have been in that
34:59
Mark gtis about um about horror like
35:04
periods and then the '90s one had a lot of stuff about it was a section about
35:07
Cronenberg and then what was the first Cronenberg movie with the
35:12
parasites um what was that called but it's it's like
35:18
revolting like and uh disgusting body horror yeah and and and it just people
35:24
like the studios were like I don't know what to do with this like what what is
35:28
this why have you made this why does anyone does anyone know when the new
35:31
Toxic Avenger movie is coming out it must be soon right because there's a
35:36
Traer in it yeah there's the Toxic Avenger yeah yeah like that like that
35:43
sort of G just remind me of that because that's be does Lloyd calman I mean
35:47
obviously he got a paycheck but does he have something to he's obviously not
35:50
dirting it he must be in it no there's no way he directed this no no chance no
35:55
no this is not a traa movie you no there's no way they Peter Dinklage was
36:00
like sure yeah tell me what to do
36:04
yeah like no no not dist lordy cin he he's good at what he does but what he
36:09
does is not you know top tier Hollywood
36:13
movies the last cuz the few last few years I have been a judge at slam dance
36:19
and um a pre-election judge and last
36:23
year his film uh Shakespeare [ __ ] storm
36:27
oh yes okay was was in it but it was not in competition so I didn't get to judge
36:32
it so I didn't get to watch it oh I've seen I was yeah all the making of uh
36:38
things are posting for that looks [ __ ] ridiculous yeah yeah listeners
36:42
if you don't know what that is it's troma's version of The Tempest yeah they
36:46
had a woman on there who would like throw up on command and really
36:51
disgusting yeah I just remember renting tromeo and Juliet years ago and now just
36:57
looking back going that was James gun yeah yeah he wrote that yeah and it's
37:01
got um sha gun as um of course it does
37:05
[ __ ] what's his name makio want any andless he bust his literally bust his
37:11
head open his brain's falling out and so he has to like his head up similar it
37:14
reminds me of um brain dead the or bad taste the yeah bad taste sorry Peter
37:20
Jackson's first film yeah Peter Jacks character yeah he wears a head one of
37:25
Peter Jackson's character that movie so amazing because there's a scene if
37:30
you've seen it where one character is hanging off another cliff and another
37:34
character is holding him up so he doesn't fall they're both Peter Jackson
37:39
Peter Jackson filmed half of it then waited a year put on heaps of weight and
37:43
grew a beard and then played the other character it's [ __ ] incredible also
37:50
there a bit where a man drops from above with a chainsaw and chainsaws his way
37:55
down through an alien comes out the bottom yeah yeah
38:01
yeah great movie so
38:06
good speaking of great movies The Nightmare Before Christmas people been
38:11
talking about it because as we said it's uh it's been Halloween even though it's
38:14
a Halloween movie man no it's a Halloween movie Full Stop move on
38:17
watching no it's already Christmas season I guess CU we yeah yeah no you
38:21
see them get home from Halloween in the first scene they come home from
38:24
Halloween it's true it's true anyway Henry celic who directed it Tim Burt did
38:31
not direct this listeners no a lot of people think he did he did not he
38:35
designed the [ __ ] out of it he did but he he didn't write it either technically
38:40
he just came up with it and did a lot of work and said I've got this notebook
38:44
full of drawings that I've been doing since I was a kid of these creepy
38:47
Christmas characters and Danny Elfman writes some songs yeah Elfman was like
38:52
sorry I've just got to take my hands off of this girl who's not consenting and
38:57
put them on to the piano for allegedly allegedly allegedly put him on a piano I guess yeah
39:03
um so Henry celik went on to do I don't know what um no no not dissing him but
39:10
he didn't uh James and the Giant Peach oh okay all right so he has some stuff
39:16
well lately people have been asking him about Nightmare Before Christmas
39:19
Nightmare Before Christmas became huge way late like I remember liking it as a
39:24
kid cuz it was weird and we Bur but like not everybody liked it back then now
39:29
everybody loves it yeah and you couldn't get your [ __ ] Jack Skellington
39:33
t-shirts and stuff back then that's right that was way later well now it's
39:37
almost embarrassing to to like it cuz it's like you know what I mean a weird
39:43
way yeah when people tell me they like it I'm like you seen Corpse Bride it's
39:46
better yeah it is so so people have been
39:51
asking him about um night before Christmas and he's recently said that he
39:55
has an idea for a followup that would be about uh how Jack became the king of
40:02
Halloween EAS like a pre thing yeah which which I
40:08
was talking to Jenna JGA yeah I was talking JGA yeah I was talking to m a
40:13
goth about this and um and we're saying like I don't think we need that right I
40:20
feel like it with something like the Night Before Christmas there are gaps
40:24
and things you just go okay don't try and explain play them you're going to
40:28
make it's going to not be like you know we're saying like oh it's like if they
40:31
tried to make a movie about why the doors are in the trees like don't don't
40:35
do that like yeah little doing you're going to collapse the whole thing in on
40:40
itself cuz it's it needs to be a bit mysterious yeah yeah it'll be too
40:44
literal if you see that there is no Halloween or Halloween used to be really
40:47
nice and then this [ __ ] with got his hands on it and how does it end like
40:50
what's the climax to it and now he's the he's the king of Halloween and like they
40:54
go into the real world but they're not aware of other Hall and like just you're
40:58
raising too many questions so it depends on what it was going to be but anyway
41:01
Tim Burton got asked about it uh just the other day and he owns the rights to
41:06
the Night Before Christmas because he did come up with the idea and he said
41:10
but he has to produce it at Disney because he drew him while he was at
41:13
Disney oh that's fair but he said no [ __ ] chance people ask him about it
41:18
all the time and he said 30 years he said I have done sequels and prequels
41:24
and and spin-offs and I have this thing that that that we agree is great and we
41:31
love it no I'm not for it yeah will not be touched I mean it's a very
41:35
selfcontained story isn't it after rapping on Beetle Juice 2 so a little
41:40
ironic yeah yeah but that's one of those strange Nostalgia things where
41:45
everyone's doing a sequel or a reboot of 80s things now um whereas I think Night
41:51
Before Christmas Is Timeless doesn't feel like a movie from 1990 per se you
41:55
know you're right yeah it's just just so there'd be no Nostalgia to it it would
42:00
you would need to change it except they do it with um they probably do it with
42:03
CGI now instead of actual stop motion I don't think they would I think be one of
42:09
those things they make a point of not doing that yeah yeah but even so it is
42:13
still be digital someh like it would be shot digitally when you watch it now cuz
42:16
I had it on recently actually I put it on to see if Harper was was into it she
42:20
sat and watched the the opening song and she seemed to like she's [ __ ]
42:25
Halloween obsessed but um it is very dark but one thing
42:30
that forgotten is that it is she got it but it's very filmy like it's you can
42:36
tell it's shot on Celluloid which is makes it look different to things now
42:41
yeah You' shoot it on digital cameras at least yeah it would be less imperfect
42:46
and I think unless you faked the imperfections which yeah it's weird weird
42:53
one but we don't have to worry about it cuz it's not happening yeah exactly not
42:57
says it's not happening which means it's probably coming out next year directed
42:59
by Tim yeah that's right well I hope that's the case because there's
43:03
something else that's not happening that I actually would really like to see and
43:06
that's Christopher Nolan's James Bond movie that just keeps getting teased yes
43:12
he said no I'm not doing that he couldn't do it I mean he could he could he couldn't
43:19
mate if he put up his hand for it they'd [ __ ] throw it at him he he doesn't
43:23
know how to end the movie doesn't matter they could just make more of them
43:28
perfect you know what I love that they the original plan cuz you know James
43:32
Bond bangs a different woman in each movie he BS two yeah there's always a
43:39
halfway woman and one to the end yeah um although now it's like in the in the
43:44
Craig era he was banging one until she died not because of him banging
43:50
completely clear um and she already had a boyfriend as it turns out too but um
43:56
and then then he fell in love someone else uh but uh if you watch the second
44:02
of the connory James Bond movies the opening scene is him still banging the
44:06
one from the previous movie and that was the original plan was that there'd
44:11
always be a carryover like that he'd just be collecting these chicks and then
44:16
they're like let's just not do that anymore well in the lasen be one he gets
44:19
married and then they kill her so yeah yeah and just to really [ __ ] around with
44:25
the any who says they're different people and it's code name James Bond and
44:30
it's a designation not a person in one of the Roger Mo ones he goes to her
44:35
grave oh that's cool I can't remember which one off the
44:41
top of my head someone's yelling at their iPod right now [ __ ] iPod old
44:48
man someone's digging through their closet to look for their iPod so they
44:51
can yell at [ __ ] yell at it yeah yeah
44:55
know I'd love to see Nolan do a but I
45:00
don't well he has also said and this was years ago even because people have been
45:04
asking him to do for years but he said I will only do one if they let me do
45:08
whatever I want with it and the broccoli are not they're not like sure they
45:13
they're like Kathleen Kennedy they they want final say on every decision you
45:18
make they want an ending to the movie that people understand don't have to
45:23
think about much to ask for if he came up with some you know he's he's a big
45:28
kind of concept guy right with the movies like you've got Stella you know
45:32
time Trav sort of tenant also actually you know what it's time he mostly plays with yeah
45:38
yeah even momento it's nonlinear you've got the timelines going back and forth
45:43
yeah so yeah what would he do with Bond I'm sure he'd think of something like I
45:47
can't see him doing a just a straight Bond film no I maybe cuz the other thing
45:53
too is he's not he does a lot of action but he doesn't do like
45:57
straight you know action movie Stu particularly true but the action
46:01
sequences in his movies are pretty [ __ ] impressive like The Siege at the
46:06
end of [ __ ] inter interception ten as well like in yeah
46:13
but I mean they're not like um you know not Michael Bay style or even I guess
46:18
even like Bond style action sequences not where there just like a a lot of
46:23
long shots of practical things being
46:27
destroyed kind of yeah like um the truck
46:31
flip in um The Dark Knight I always think yeah or the train in uh Inception
46:38
as well oh yeah yeah yeah in the street like just causing [ __ ] havoc in the
46:41
street like the studio was like oh so you just CGI train he was like no we're
46:45
going to um run a train down the road yeah CGI atomic bomb no
46:51
no you to our physicist yeah I'm still
46:55
saying that's C the bomb would have been better if it
47:01
was CGI saying that wasn't that impressive next Wednesday I'm getting a package I
47:07
don't know what it is oh yeah we definitely follow up and I've called
47:11
dibs on that hat if it's a hat hat mine keeping it we'll see we'll see what it
47:15
is I don't know listeners some Universal's sending me something I don't
47:18
know what it is um I've convinced myself it's Oppenheimer
47:23
related maybe um actually before move on from Christopher Nolan um oh look it's
47:30
that part halfway through every show where my dog walks
47:35
in oh he's not been crippled by you this time I watched I I I watched half of a
47:40
Christopher noan movie last night uh because I I always watch movies in
47:43
halfes now I don't have time for two hours a night I have 1 hour a night of
47:47
television or film time so I I watched um I watched them backward cuz I figured
47:51
that's how he'd want me to watch them that's right and then you understand
47:55
them because he's made backs that's right um I think that's Jonathan I think
48:00
that's his brother that that does is the
48:03
back hoodsy one oh sure okay um I
48:07
watched insomnia last night oh I've got to watch
48:11
that I have it like I bought it Apple whatever
48:18
um it's good I'm liking it i um there was a time where I would have said uh
48:24
alberina great actor now I don't think he's a great actor I think he's a great
48:29
alucino and if if alucino fits in your movie you get him put in there be good
48:36
put him in yeah um but you know uh but it's it's funny to watch Nolan's early
48:43
films because if you didn't know this was Christopher Nolan and this came out
48:46
now you'd say oh this person probably likes Christopher Nolan oh yeah you know
48:50
and has kind of been influenced by him but it's very very subtle you know it's
48:54
it's like Christopher Nolan light sure uh well I don't know yet I've only
49:01
watched half but night before and the night before that I watched something that was
49:07
very good and that was David Fincher the killer oh yeah yeah y I enjoyed that
49:14
very much watch that two nights too actually did you yeah yeah
49:16
coincidentally it's a solid 2hour movie yeah I love it the one that just came
49:21
out yeah yeah it's good that fight scene
49:27
no spoilers but the fight scene where it's actually one of the only fight
49:31
scenes in it actually men I think it probably is actually yeah [ __ ]
49:36
amazing like I I was going I can't remember the last time I watched a fight
49:40
this good and if I didn't know fast Bender had to be in the rest of the
49:44
movie I would be going I don't know who's going to win this fight like these
49:47
two guys are beating the [ __ ] out of each other yeah neither of this when that dude's
49:54
dog realizes that his has been killed and decides I'm want to [ __ ] you up fast
50:00
bender and fast Bender runs and then slams the door and the dog just [ __ ]
50:05
smashes through the door I was like [ __ ] hell so
50:10
good um I was aware hyper aware of the music in it because of what you had said
50:15
last week and even then very very subtle yeah very subtle um to the point where I
50:22
was like I could put this on while I studied you know what I mean like it's
50:25
it's not even that it's very ambient just yeah drones hardly hardly even
50:30
music yeah I don't mean that in a bad way I just it's not it's not melodic
50:35
it's just kind of drones yeah yeah yeah but if there's one takeaway I got from
50:40
this movie and I I know it's not cool to idolize like a mass murderer but his
50:46
like fastidious like routines were enviable to me you know
50:53
what I mean like just oh yeah just him out no matter what where he is yeah you
50:59
know yeah like he he wakes up [ __ ] does his [ __ ] crunches yoga like he's
51:06
got one so doesn't leave any DNA that's right yeah I'm looking at reviews and
51:11
I'm I can people either love it or hate this movie I'm not surprised yeah yeah
51:15
right look it I think it was fin fin is not making this to be me remembered for
51:20
you know what I mean like there's no big [ __ ] message it's very like it's not
51:25
particularly original in what it is it's you know a killer hi
51:30
killer it's just done very well doesn't do the job properly and then they come
51:34
after him and then he yeah it's like okay there are movies like that around
51:39
just good one like exactly it's like he just went I'm going to make one of those
51:44
and I'm going to make it excellent because I'm David Fincher well I was
51:46
read the same thing I was reading an article this week about there's still
51:49
room for like mid this something there's room for Mid tier movies and there's
51:52
room for Mid tier games like the Robocop game just came out recently and AA title
51:58
but it's still a good solid game it's that that mid tier price and there still
52:03
Market absolutely right because this would have been a you know $50 million
52:08
movie instead of a a $200 million movie sure you know there actually there's not
52:13
that many locations in it like yeah yeah they told me he was going to different
52:19
countries but they might not have been you know what I mean for all we know I
52:23
doubt it was filmed on location well actually most of it was filmed
52:27
green screen from what I can tell because it was all filmed straight after
52:31
the co yeah right but yeah you don't need not everything needs to be a AAA
52:36
titled there's still good movies out there not just not AAA not everything
52:40
has to be the Marvel Universe I think that's what Hollywood needs to learn I
52:45
didn't get around to seeing the marel oh you didn't yeah I wouldn't I'm not going
52:49
to hold it against you I didn't but from what I've seen is people are still it
52:55
does seem to people upset that it's like women in a movie still and I still don't
53:00
understand yeah I mean I could chuck out half a dozen great movies with Action
53:06
Hero chicks in them yeah Terminator 2 for example alien Aliens 2 for example
53:13
like they [ __ ] exist people aren't hating on movies because they've got
53:16
women in them they're hating on movies when they're not very good like I think
53:21
the problem is it's both and it it makes it it's it annoys me because I've seen
53:26
you know the studi is kind of remember the Ghostbusters thing where they lean
53:30
into it and they go a no this is a good movie they're probably just sexist it's
53:34
like no no no they're sexist but it's still not a good
53:38
movie both can be true I'm trying to remember if this happened with Charlie's
53:42
Angels and I don't think it did because those internet was big deal back popular
53:48
yeah right so it wasn't it was you could be a a sexist but you had to be a sexist
53:52
just at home but remember this was Charlie's Angels was already television
53:56
show and when they made it it wasn't like they were yeah it's not that they
53:59
swapped the genders oh guys I'll come back back and talked about this has
54:02
anyone seen the [ __ ] South Park Kathleen Kennedy episode no have you
54:08
heard about this no southb have done an episode produced by Kathleen Kennedy and
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all of the boys are played by mixed race
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women [ __ ] off I haven't seen it yet I've just seen seen that it exists but I
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remember um remember even when Battle Star Galactic came out there was a bit
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of all that Starbuck was a woman yeah until sexy woman she was good people
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watched it and they went oh this is good see that's what I think that's the
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problem is but I think I think you nailed it I think it has to be both yeah
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I think yeah you have to make it so good that even the haters go like yes there
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are a bunch of sexist idiots but also the movie is not very good which you
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know although again I haven't seen Marvels um maybe it's good I've heard
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people say that you know it was good I won't watch any any film woman it's not
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a serious it's not Ser I'm that gay I'm that gay I don't even want to see women
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I think it's just every way when women on screen the killer oh disgusting
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thankfully there weren't many and the one they did have was disfigured so that
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was fine and the one at the end was was very androgenous s doesn't count yeah no
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doesn't count she I forgot she was in it until she
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showed up and I was like oh I forgot she was in this I love her she is so good
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have you seen that movie where she keeps hearing the [ __ ] hum of the universe
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and she she can't [ __ ] stop here it's a horror movie which she just keeps
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hearing this sound sounds cool yeah yeah I keep meeting it's on my list I keep
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meaning to watch it um but she's great
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in uh Constantine she is great in Constantine and she's great in like in
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doctor strange but the the the one I'm thinking of is is where she the Wes
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Anderson movie where she's the art curator that narrates the um segment
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with uh Bonito in it from um the French
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dispatch Jesus Oh wait I don't think I've seen that one oh you should you
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should it's I should it's good it's three it's a it's like an anthology and
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there's three stories and they're not all as strong as one another the like
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all Anthology movies the first and last of the strongest and then there's a weak
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one in the middle isn't she a in D not ding in uh what's the other what's the
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one we went and saw at God the one the grand B pest I think she's also in that
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right yes she is yeah that's that's what I thought you were going to say she's
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not in I don't think unless I've forgotten but she's not in Asteroid city
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which I also watched I need to watch
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that you do it's either his best film or his worst film and I can't tell well
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leave that to Luke because I he proba
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seen the other so y he's going so up his
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own ass right sure in terms of it is the
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most Wes Anderson movie ever made by Wes
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Anderson or anyone else and but it's kind of also very
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self-aware so it's either he doesn't know where to stop and he's finally gone
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too far or he knows exactly what he's
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doing and he's saying yeah I get you and
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also this and it's meta interesting watch I'm going have to
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watch it a second time no you might worst no no you might like you said a
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lot of words there that didn't sound like like um might like AIS of dogs it's
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animated I've never seen that for a second time actually he's saying I'm
57:35
just entertained by cartoons is that what you're saying Luke's more of a cat person
57:41
anyway maybe I love cats I love cats not after I just got bitten by that one
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yeah look we've only got a couple minutes left and I think we we should
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spend those couple of minutes talking about the afterparty
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and and how we want to give everyone just for the next little while an
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opportunity to to to participate at the
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Afterparty uh we changed and uh also
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I've changed countries and there are various you know things that come with
58:15
that with like you know money being worth different values in other
58:19
countries like kind of stuff um and uh we've been saying for a long time the
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Afterparty $10 cuz it is but if you're an another country it's not $10 uh in
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some cases now significantly more than that uh and we were thinking well that's
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not n so what we're going to do is at
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least for a while and see see you know see if people like it and let us know
58:41
what you think as always let us know what you think we you want to pay more
58:44
let us know and we'll charge you more we're going to drop the price down uh
58:48
what do you reckon Luke what should we charged for the Afterparty these days I
58:51
don't know don't ask L he'll say hugs yeah you give me a hug I'll give you the
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Afterparty ask ask Luke's wife what they need to break even with their finances
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what do you think we should charge for the Afterparty we we we used to say 10
59:05
right it was it was 10 us do let's say five let's say five us which is like
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seven Australian right okay so here we go for
59:13
$5 us yeah uh whatever that is sevenish eight is whatever Aussie uh that'll be
59:20
the Afterparty and then for the the old you know $1 join you get the other stuff
59:24
that we used to talk about you know you get the show and all that kind of stuff
59:26
we'll continue that but that'll be for all patrons now everybody will get that
59:30
and then if you want the Afterparty it'll be five yep and if you're already
59:35
supporting us for for the current price and you want to adjust it that's fine if
59:38
you want to leave it where it is that's fine too that's fine with me but um
59:42
totally if you leave it where it currently is you get two hugs yes good
59:46
point both from Luke though you don't get hugged like front and back we and
59:52
also let us know what you if if you are a patron let us know what you would like
59:58
us to do on the patreon stuff like that and if you're not a patron definitely
1:00:03
also let us know cuz what would what would you know make you decide to do
1:00:07
that what would convince you that you should you should chip in and supporter
1:00:11
USS what do you want I guess what do you want from us what do you want from
1:00:16
us please tell us we'll give it to you no we might not depends on what it is
1:00:21
but they might say bring back all the segments you used to do in the fun games
1:00:24
and we'll say that took way too much time Ian we could we could do that I
1:00:28
just don't know that people wanted it maybe they did let us know yeah bring
1:00:33
back that old co-host we can't okay I got asked about that he is dead been
1:00:39
asked about that he's not dead he's not dead he's dead to us no he's not dead to
1:00:44
us very much doesn't want to do it anymore so yeah he's got other going on yeah
1:00:51
yeah uh yeah so took him a while realized that though what's that and
1:00:56
where where do they go to the patreon stuff they go to
1:01:00
patreon.com multiple nerdgasm or if you just want to go to multiple nerd gm.com
1:01:04
uh you'll see the links there and you can you can get to the patreon that way
1:01:08
five bucks a month gets you the Afterparty well we will continue talking
1:01:12
for usually these days 30 40 [ __ ] minutes for some reason we just don't
1:01:16
promise that though it's suppos to be 10 20 minutes so just crazy at least 10
1:01:20
20es probably longer than that though cuz we can't control ourselves there's
1:01:25
some good stuff to talk about uh the Afterparty this week we got some Geeks
1:01:29
of the week for Luke to vote on if you don't know what that is patreon.com
1:01:34
multiple yeah we got some pedophile news so that'll be good yeah we do we got
1:01:39
some political assassination news that'll be good and some uh child abuse
1:01:44
news cartoon child abuse good things that they interested you don't think
1:01:50
people are going to want to pay to hear about all this
1:01:52
stuff5 to hear about those three things for fin you get to hear Luke convince us
1:01:59
not to talk about any of that stuff for the next 30 minutes patreon.com multiple
1:02:05
nasm that's all for this week thank you for listening and we hope you enjoyed
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