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10-27 H2: Gregg Bell Joins, Fact or Fiction & JSN MVP · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: 7 o'clock hour, hour number two of our Tuesday show.
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  Speaker 1: It is Chuck Anders and Christopher with you coming up
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  Speaker 1: a little bit later on this hour. Factor Fiction at 735.
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  Speaker 1: We'll try to get it right this time. Greg Bell
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  Speaker 1: will also join us this hour at 705. But we
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  Speaker 1: begin the hour with your headlines brought to you by
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  Speaker 1: Frostbrood Coors Light. Cold as the Rockies. Dallas Cowboys to
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  Speaker 1: beat the Philadelphia Eagles on Monday Night Football to wrap
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  Speaker 1: up the week in the National Football League 38-21. was
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  Speaker 1: the final score. Again, Dallas, actually their offense showing up
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  Speaker 1: in this contest last night. They moved to 3-4 in
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  Speaker 1: the very weak NFC East division. The next Monday Night
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  Speaker 1: Football game will feature your Seattle Seahawks. They will host
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  Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears next Monday night. We'll talk to Greg
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  Speaker 1: about that at 7.05. Jadarian Price returned to practice this week,
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  Speaker 1: so maybe he'll be available in the running back room
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  Speaker 1: for the Seahawks tonight. The NFL trading deadline is now
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  Speaker 1: two weeks away. That comes on November the 10th. College football,
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  Speaker 1: Jed Fish's decision probably won't come until at the earliest Friday,
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  Speaker 1: maybe even a game time decision as the Husky Nation
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  Speaker 1: awaits whether or not he goes with. Elijah Brown, which
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  Speaker 1: almost every dog fan wants him to go with, or
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  Speaker 1: if he goes back to demand Williams Jr., which I
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  Speaker 1: kind of think that's what he's going to do. We
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  Speaker 1: shall see. Huskies in Lincoln to take on Nebraska on Saturday.
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  Speaker 1: And we'll talk more about that with Rick Neuheisel coming
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  Speaker 1: up today at 9 o'clock. WNBA Game 5 Finals went
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  Speaker 1: to Golden State. So Game 6 will be back in Atlanta.
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  Speaker 1: The Dream down three games to two. And that game
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  Speaker 1: is going to be played Thursday at 9.30 in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Very strange.
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  Speaker 1: Very strange. Finally, World Series Milwaukee Brewers, 10-1 winners over
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  Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Rays last night. They used an eight-run
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  Speaker 1: inning to go up 3-0 in the series. Man, they're
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  Speaker 1: so good. Somebody floated this out last night, and it
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  Speaker 1: did kind of cross my mind. Like, how great really
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  Speaker 1: are they? I mean, well over 100 runs, excuse me,
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  Speaker 1: 100 wins this year. I think they had like a
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  Speaker 1: near record-setting run differential this season. They've knocked out the
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  Speaker 1: hottest team, the Padres. They knocked out the defending champs,
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  Speaker 1: the Dodgers, and did it easily. And now they're getting
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  Speaker 1: ready to potentially sweep the Rays. what kind of greatness
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  Speaker 1: are we looking at is this like the best team
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  Speaker 1: in baseball in the last 10 years because don't say
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  Speaker 1: the dodgers no dodgers won by a cleat last year
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  Speaker 1: one single cleat against the blue jays and the year
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  Speaker 1: before should have lost to the padres they weren't even
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  Speaker 1: the better team right uh that series two years ago
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  Speaker 1: where brewers have just dominated every fool they've put in
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  Speaker 1: front of.
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  Speaker 3: Them yeah and there's a second straight regular season that
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  Speaker 3: the milwaukee brewers are the have the most wins in baseball.
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  Speaker 3: So this isn't just a fluky, like, oh, they're random.
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  Speaker 3: Everything kind of goes your way. And they're not just
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  Speaker 3: this scrappy, like, good story team. This is a historically
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  Speaker 3: good baseball team, period.
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  Speaker 1: Historically great baseball team. All right, let's talk to Greg
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  Speaker 1: Bell here this morning, our Seahawks insider on Chuck in
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  Speaker 1: the Mornings. Hi, Greg.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning.
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  Speaker 1: What's happening?
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  Speaker 2: Got a cold. Oh, jeez.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yikes. Who gave it to you? Who in the
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  Speaker 1: Seattle media group showed up with a cold Sunday night?
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  Speaker 1: Let's call them out right now.
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  Speaker 2: Probably my wife and all the kids she worked with
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  Speaker 2: at Children's Hospital. I'll blame her all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Makes sense. Does she get sick, or does she just
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  Speaker 1: pass it to you?
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  Speaker 2: No, she gets sick, too.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. whatever the kids have.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I understand that. We're going to let you
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  Speaker 1: both off the hook. I mean, you're probably going to
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  Speaker 1: show up to work later bringing your cold with you,
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  Speaker 1: but if anybody's got an excuse, it's the Bells.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. They still wear masks at Jones Hospital for the
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  Speaker 2: most part.
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  Speaker 1: I want to bring in on something that we were
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  Speaker 1: discussing because we didn't bring it up yesterday. We've got
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  Speaker 1: other things to get to, of course, with you, but
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  Speaker 1: Michael Dixon's helicopter punt, you didn't see it, but on
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  Speaker 1: the television broadcast, Mike Tirico made a really big deal
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  Speaker 1: out of it. It's almost as like he was looking
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  Speaker 1: forward to it because he does his homework so well.
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  Speaker 1: And they showed the arc of the spinning punt. I mean, normally,
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  Speaker 1: even with Dixon, you're always there at the game. He'll
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  Speaker 1: just get his punt and they'll show what... what yard
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  Speaker 1: line it landed at, and that's it. They don't ever
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  Speaker 1: show the story of the punts that he creates on
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  Speaker 1: the football field. And I do mean creates, but Tirico
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  Speaker 1: and Collinsworth took the time to illustrate this helicopter punt
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  Speaker 1: that had this crazy speed. air flight to it. And
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to see more of that. I mean, you've
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  Speaker 1: got access to it. I mean, how much more is
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  Speaker 1: there to the Michael Dixon punt game than we ever
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  Speaker 1: get to see just watching the games at home?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a wizard. He does stuff at practice that
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  Speaker 2: when they, the few times they're in the indoor facility,
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  Speaker 2: which nowadays is pretty much just the morning walkthrough practice.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't just try to hit the roof, which he
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  Speaker 2: easily can do. the indoor facility, he tries to go
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  Speaker 2: through certain beams that have holes in it. And he
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  Speaker 2: aims for the beams to try to kick them through
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  Speaker 2: the beam. It's like he has a joystick on the
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  Speaker 2: ball that he can, for those of us who played
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  Speaker 2: Atari back in the 70s, it's like he had a
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  Speaker 2: joystick that he just decides to maneuver the ball around,
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  Speaker 2: like a drone or an airplane. The one that nobody,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they're talking about, the very first punt
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  Speaker 2: he had the other night He kicked it 50 yards,
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  Speaker 2: and he put it on the 10-yard line, and it
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  Speaker 2: landed right at the sideline. And the returner had to
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  Speaker 2: field it because he didn't want it to bounce to
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  Speaker 2: the 1 or the 2 or the 4 or the 5.
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  Speaker 2: So he had to field it, but he fielded it
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  Speaker 2: so that when he caught it, he was out of bounds.
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  Speaker 2: It was a perfect punt. 50 yards with no return.
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  Speaker 2: A net of 50. And the Chiefs started their drive
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  Speaker 2: at their own 10. I mean, that's a subtle thing,
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  Speaker 2: but I mean, every punter in the league tries to
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  Speaker 2: do that, but he habitually just does it. He puts
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  Speaker 2: the ball exactly as if he handed it to the
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  Speaker 2: 10-yard line, out of bounds. I hit the confluence of
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  Speaker 2: the 10-yard line and out of bounds. It's just subtle
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  Speaker 2: things like that all the time. And when their offense
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  Speaker 2: is not doing much, which has been times, he's their
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  Speaker 2: biggest weapon because he can change field position in the
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  Speaker 2: defense's favor and And then the Chiefs have to go
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  Speaker 2: 90 yards from the 10-yard line because he just put
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  Speaker 2: a punt right at the intersection of the returner and
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  Speaker 2: the out-of-bounds line.
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  Speaker 1: Even at the games, and I don't go to nearly
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  Speaker 1: as many as you do, but even at the games,
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  Speaker 1: you don't get an appreciation for So I loved that
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  Speaker 1: they spent time highlighting, because I know he's got more
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  Speaker 1: than one trick in his bag. I mean, he's the
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  Speaker 1: Harry Potter of punters. I mean, he's got all sorts
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  Speaker 1: of things that he did. So I hope that other
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  Speaker 1: networks saw that, and in future Seahawks games, they spend
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  Speaker 1: a little more time showing what voodoo he puts on
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  Speaker 1: the football.
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  Speaker 2: Remember, John Snyder traded up to get him. He traded
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  Speaker 2: a couple picks and moved up into the middle round.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was fifth round, if I'm not mistaken.
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  Speaker 2: That's one of the shrewdest things he's done. Michael Dixon,
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  Speaker 2: for as long as he's done it, as excellent as
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  Speaker 2: he's been, he deserves all of it. He's, I think,
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  Speaker 2: the highest or second-highest paid punter, and he's been a
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  Speaker 2: weapon for them for a decade. He is so good
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  Speaker 2: at what he does. If you really think about the Seahawks,
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  Speaker 2: who are the best at what they do at their jobs,
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  Speaker 2: Michael Dixon might be the one who's the best at
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  Speaker 2: his individual job on the team.
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  Speaker 1: I think JSN might have a word with you, but
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  Speaker 1: I hear your point. I hear your point.
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  Speaker 2: He's done it for a decade, though. JSN, as great
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  Speaker 2: as JSN has been, he's done it for, what, three,
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  Speaker 2: four years. But, yeah, the longevity, consistency, yeah, he really
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  Speaker 2: is something.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the running backs. I know
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  Speaker 1: that's the big topic here this morning. So, Jadarian Price
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  Speaker 1: is set to practice. What's the chance that he's going
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  Speaker 1: to play, as you can read the tea leaves at
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  Speaker 1: this stage?
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  Speaker 2: Well... We learned last week that returning to practice doesn't
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  Speaker 2: mean return to play. With Zach Charbonnet, McDonald made the
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  Speaker 2: point to say this is different. Charbonnet, of course, was
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  Speaker 2: nine and a half months removed from ripping out knee
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  Speaker 2: ligaments and reconstructive knee surgery eight and a half months
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  Speaker 2: ago and hasn't done anything since January. Price hasn't done
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  Speaker 2: anything just for the month of October, basically. Although he
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  Speaker 2: played at Washington to begin the month, a week three game.
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  Speaker 2: So not nearly as long term of a deal, which
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  Speaker 2: McDonald said, this is different. The time of the recovery
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  Speaker 2: of the injury is different. So the implication is he
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  Speaker 2: won't need all 21 days. But once he does come back,
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  Speaker 2: if it's Thursday, the next time they're back fully practicing
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  Speaker 2: on the field is Thursday. They get Tuesday and Wednesday
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  Speaker 2: off from the field because of the Monday night game.
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  Speaker 2: So if they do start his 21-day practice window on Thursday,
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  Speaker 2: the expectation is it won't take all 21 days of
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  Speaker 2: practicing like it has for Charbonnet. And in fact, Charbonnet
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  Speaker 2: went past his 21 days because they made him active
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  Speaker 2: last week and he didn't play. So McDonald was asked.
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  Speaker 2: is there a chance both Price and Charbonnet play against
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  Speaker 2: the Bears Monday night? And he said, could they both play? Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Could either play? Yes. Could neither play? Yes. He's surpassed
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  Speaker 2: Pete Carroll in coyness and not telling us anything about injuries.
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  Speaker 2: He's lapped him, actually. He's really... perfected the... I'm not
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  Speaker 2: telling you anything about injuries. Same thing with... Yeah. I
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  Speaker 2: think it's going to get to lower body injury like
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  Speaker 2: he's an NHL coach here pretty soon. Charles Cross, he
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't confirm he's got a high ankle sprain. He wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: confirm he's going to miss a week or two. He
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  Speaker 2: said it's Monday and he has an ankle. So I
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  Speaker 2: took some real good news out of the fact that
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  Speaker 2: Charles Cross still has both of his ankles on a
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  Speaker 2: Monday after a Sunday I came in. That's about all
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  Speaker 2: I got out of that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, did they solve their running back room dilemma just
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  Speaker 1: in time? I mean, think about it. They get the
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  Speaker 1: best performance from Emmanuel Wilson. You outgain the Chiefs five
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  Speaker 1: yards to one in your running game on Sunday night.
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  Speaker 1: You do have Charbonnet and Price closer to returning. even
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  Speaker 1: if they don't return on Monday at the NFL trading
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  Speaker 1: deadlines in two weeks, do they get aggressive there or
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  Speaker 1: do they feel like, Oh, just in the nick of time,
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  Speaker 1: we saw enough positivity here off field and on field
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  Speaker 1: that we're going to stick with our original plan.
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  Speaker 2: Probably the latter, but I don't know. I don't, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not convinced that it's Emmanuel Wilson's. Okay. We're good now.
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  Speaker 2: And they feel like that crisis has passed. That was
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  Speaker 2: one game. Wilson's second career 100-yard game. He had 107
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  Speaker 2: left November for the Packers. And what he was able
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  Speaker 2: to do was bounce outside some runs. He was still
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  Speaker 2: late to some outside zone runs, especially in the first half.
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  Speaker 2: He's just not fast enough to get out there to
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  Speaker 2: where the wide zone is. But he bounced a couple
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  Speaker 2: out that the Chiefs over-pursued inside. I'm thinking of the
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  Speaker 2: 21-yard touchdown run in particular. Eric Salbert had the lead block,
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  Speaker 2: the backup tight end just crashed his guy down across
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  Speaker 2: the center from the left edge of the formation. And,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Wilson had no choice but to bounce out.
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  Speaker 2: There was nobody out there. And that's why he ran
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  Speaker 2: for the touchdown. I suspect that I know that Snyder
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  Speaker 2: is making calls. I suspect it's not going to be
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  Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor or Saquon Barkley or someone that will cost
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  Speaker 2: more money than they could have spent on re-signing Snyder.
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  Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker, and on top of that, top draft picks.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that would be foolish. You just would have
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  Speaker 2: re-signed Walker back in March then to give up second-round
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  Speaker 2: picks plus $ 18 million a year in salary on those
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  Speaker 2: two guys, Taylor and Barkley. So I don't think it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be that, even though that's the sexy acquisition.
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  Speaker 2: Not to mention, even though the Eagles lost last night,
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  Speaker 2: the NFC East is so terrible, I don't think anybody
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  Speaker 2: can just fold it up and say, well, we're out
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  Speaker 2: of it. I mean, the commanders could even say we're
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  Speaker 2: in it because they're only two back in the win
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  Speaker 2: column from the Giants right now. So I just think
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  Speaker 2: it might be a lesser impacting running back that they
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  Speaker 2: do acquire, maybe for a late round pick. He's got
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  Speaker 2: 11 picks, but Snyder is not in the business of
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  Speaker 2: giving up too many of their top picks. Jamal Adams
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  Speaker 2: has been the one glaring difference in a first round
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  Speaker 2: pick that did not work out at all. That trade
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  Speaker 2: did not work out for them.
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  Speaker 1: Greg Bell is with us, our Seahawks insider. If you
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  Speaker 1: want to follow him, you can do so at GBellSeattle. And,
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  Speaker 1: of course, has a show at 10 o'clock with Jessamyn McIntyre,
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  Speaker 1: which we'll go ahead and preview here in a moment. But, yes,
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  Speaker 1: the team with a victory on Sunday night improves to
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  Speaker 1: 4-3 on the season. And hard for me to believe
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  Speaker 1: that they didn't feel like they made some sort of breakthrough.
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  Speaker 1: I know that we're talking world champs. But there was
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  Speaker 1: a game last year, the Washington Commanders game, where I
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  Speaker 1: just felt like, oh, it all came together. My goodness.
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  Speaker 1: If anybody else saw this in the NFL, for any
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  Speaker 1: other team, they're worried. They felt like they had that
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  Speaker 1: game on Sunday night. Did you get the sense that
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  Speaker 1: in the locker room afterwards that they believed that that
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  Speaker 1: was their breakthrough game for this year and that their
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  Speaker 1: inconsistent play, their frustrations are now behind them?
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  Speaker 2: I did, actually. I felt like there was relief and
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  Speaker 2: reassured is the word I kept asking guys. Is this reassuring?
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  Speaker 2: I asked McDonald that. And he said, that's a good
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  Speaker 2: way to put it because we have been searching for this.
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  Speaker 2: We've been chasing, as he likes to put it, we've
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  Speaker 2: been chasing a performance like this. And then, as a
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  Speaker 2: great coach would, he said, and we're not even there yet.
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  Speaker 2: There are things from tonight that we have to get
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  Speaker 2: better at. We've got to get better at not being as...
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  Speaker 2: Here's a typical Mike McDonald. Coach, wasn't it great you
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  Speaker 2: won 11 for 15, 11 for 16 on third down,
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  Speaker 2: the best you've had in eight years? Yeah, but why
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  Speaker 2: do we have so many third downs? Let's get better
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  Speaker 2: on first and second down so we don't have as
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  Speaker 2: many third downs. I mean, that shows Mike McDonald. So
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  Speaker 2: he chases that. He can go in and say, yeah, great, guys,
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  Speaker 2: 11 for 16 on third. Let's not have 16 third
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  Speaker 2: downs against the Bears, huh? Let's get better on first
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  Speaker 2: and second so we're getting second down before there even
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  Speaker 2: is third down. That's how he thinks. So he wants
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  Speaker 2: to perfect the process of everything. And so to do
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  Speaker 2: that after a win is even more constructive. But I
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  Speaker 2: got the feeling that both McDonald, even a little bit
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  Speaker 2: Sam Darnold, even with the interception, they were reassured that, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 2: we still have this. Our defense is so good that
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  Speaker 2: they're going to keep us in most games. But offensively,
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  Speaker 2: we can still do this. We can still run the ball.
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  Speaker 2: We can still dictate. We can set up the pass
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  Speaker 2: with runs on shorter third. Okay. They look for the
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  Speaker 2: only time this season like they did at the end
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  Speaker 2: of last season. That's got to be reassuring to everyone
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  Speaker 2: in that building. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's got to be a crap your pants moment for
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  Speaker 1: everybody else in the league to see that on Sunday night.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So my first question about the Bears will be my
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  Speaker 1: last question of our conversation here today. Caleb Williams, he
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  Speaker 1: has a little bit of improvisation, but he is a
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  Speaker 1: skilled all-around quarterback. There's no question. He throws off platform
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  Speaker 1: a lot. I'm curious if that's something that works for
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  Speaker 1: Mike McDonald and his defense and how he confuses quarterbacks,
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  Speaker 1: or does somebody that has that improvisation skill, does that
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  Speaker 1: work against them when facing the confusion, the mass confusion
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  Speaker 1: they're going to have to confront on next Monday night?
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  Speaker 2: I think it works for Caleb Williams and the Bears
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  Speaker 2: because there's so much that Mike McDonald disrupts to cause
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  Speaker 2: that chaos and need for improvisation that a lot of
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  Speaker 2: quarterbacks just malfunction. Once they get to where they're not
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  Speaker 2: on script, didn't throw on time, they're sunk. And you're right.
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  Speaker 2: Caleb Williams is not sunk when that happens. The other
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  Speaker 2: thing Caleb Williams has going for him, I really am
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  Speaker 2: impressed by Ben Johnson, how he calls games, was when
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  Speaker 2: he was with Detroit. still have been when he's been
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  Speaker 2: with Chicago. I remember watching the Bears-Rams playoff game last
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  Speaker 2: year in January, thinking neither one of these games are
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  Speaker 2: going to be cakewalks in the NFC title game for
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  Speaker 2: the Seahawks. Of course, it went to overtime and the
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  Speaker 2: Rams ended up winning. But I'm really impressed with Ben Johnson.
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  Speaker 2: He's got a quarterback that allows him to do a
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  Speaker 2: lot of things, including off-script. If you try to be
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: on script with McDonald and are unyielding and just rigid
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: with that, you're in trouble because he's going to take
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  Speaker 2: it away from you. And Caleb Williams can take away
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  Speaker 2: what you tried to take away from him. You know
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: what I mean? Okay, you took this away. I'll go
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: get that. And there aren't a lot of quarterbacks in
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: the league that are like that and throw the ball
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: still really well. What makes him really good, he's escapable.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: He runs around. But then he's still accurate in the
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  Speaker 2: second phase of the play. He's throwing after he's out
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  Speaker 2: So it'll be what they had to do against the Chiefs.
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• 18:43
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  Speaker 1: It's almost unfair. I mean, Kyle Shanahan, Sean Payton, Andy Reid,
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  Speaker 1: loves the challenge, knowing him. But that's for the top
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, first place schedule in the NFL, right? Yeah. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that's right. That's who they get in consecutive. That's true.
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  Speaker 1: All right. What do you got planned for 10?
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  Speaker 2: Our buddy, Jory Epstein of Yahoo Sports, the NFL writer.
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• 19:21
  Speaker 2: league and talk about, for one thing, the Vikings. Are
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  Speaker 2: I always talk to her a lot about the NFC
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  Speaker 2: interesting insights to the West in particular. She thinks the
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  Speaker 2: league still thinks it's the... best division. I know the
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  Speaker 2: the league still sees the NFC West as the place,
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  Speaker 2: and everyone's watching the Seahawks. Obviously, it's only October. Nobody
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  Speaker 2: winner at home. Nobody wants to play that defense.
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  Speaker 1: No, not at all. I wouldn't think not. All right, Greg.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. We appreciate it. We'll be listening at 10.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Happy Tuesday. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: It could be. That's good. I like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure.
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  Speaker 1: You know, superheroes in the Marvel universe. I agree with that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's not important to the conversation. It was just interesting
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, not that we needed it, but it validates that
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: of the argument for the quarterback. It's gotta be the quarterback.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Cause anybody that loses their quarterback is gonna, I get it.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: I get it. What he did against with drew lock.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Same stuff. Doesn't matter who's quarterback. You're right. Great point.
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  Speaker 1: It needs to be added into the conversation. But look,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: I expect that it will be a quarterback by season's end.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: 18 of the last 19 MVPs in the NFL have
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: been quarterbacks. The last non-quarterback to win it, you've got
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: to go all the way back to 2012. It's been
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: a while since Adrian Peterson. And no wide receiver has
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: ever won. the NFL most valuable player award. So there's
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: a lot stacked against him, but I would say if,
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  Speaker 1: and this isn't happening, if you voted today, he would
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  Speaker 1: be the pick. He should be the pick. Um, you know, and,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't think anybody has to apologize for that
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  Speaker 1: opinion at this point. Yeah. I would imagine it is
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  Speaker 1: going to go to the quarterback. And I think in
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  Speaker 1: most every year, There's certainly an acknowledgment of how important
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: the quarterback position is compared to every other position on
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: a football field. We get it. But there are exceptions.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: There have got to be exceptions to the rule. And
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: if JSN's not an exception to that rule, then is
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  Speaker 1: a wide receiver ever going to have a chance to
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: win it? I mean, Cooper Cupp, back in 2021, when
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: he had a season... The Triple Crown season. finished third
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: in the NFL MVP voting. Well, JSN right now is
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: not only triple crown, he's like blowing every, he's two
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: touchdowns up on the next guy. He's almost 300 yards
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: up on the second place guy. Um, and so he's like,
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  Speaker 1: he's like distance himself from the Jamar chases of the world.
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  Speaker 1: To me, he is the exception. He's got a long
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  Speaker 1: way to go, but If you were to have the
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: discussion today, not only should he be in it, he
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: should be the guy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and this stat that I'm about to read out
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: to you kind of– puts it to bed in terms
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: of this is the, this is not like a, you know,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: he's in, he's the top of a pack that's crowded.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: He is distancing himself from the highest percentage of team
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: receiving yards in a season since the 2000 season. Um,
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: number one at this point is Jackson Smith and jig,
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  Speaker 3: but he's the only one over 50% of the team's
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: total receiving yards, 50.2%. Number two would be Brandon Marshall
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  Speaker 3: in 2012 with 45.7. By the way, Number five is
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Jackson Smith and Jake Bowe last year at 44.1%.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: And that's another point that I was going to make
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: is that he's already been named over quarterbacks, by the way,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: the offensive player of the year. Hell, he even got
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: defensive player of the year because it was written on
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: his trophy. Throw him in there. So, I mean, who
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: else has done that? Nobody. Not even Deion won Offensive
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: and Defensive Player of the Year. But he's already won
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: the Offensive and he's better this season. So what's the
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: only other award that he could win if he's already
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: won Offensive Player of the Year, not Receiver of the Year?
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  Speaker 1: Offensive player of the year, and he's better this season? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you better believe it. You better bet your sweet ass.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: He's the NFL MVP right now, but we're 10 weeks
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  Speaker 1: away from having that conversation. All right, coming up next,
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  Speaker 1: Gene Steratore on Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM.