We're Still Here with Simon and Julie

The John Fugelsang Podcast · Mar 28, 2026 · 24m

In this episode of We're Still Here, John Fugelsang welcomes Indigenous advocates Simon Moya Smith and Julie Franciello to a dive deep into the troubling issue of identity appropriation, spotlighting the controversial case of former Border Patrol chief Greg Pavino, who falsely claimed Native American identity in a legal context. The conversation explores the broader implications of such appropriations, particularly in professional and legal settings, and the harm they cause to genuine Indigenous representation. The hosts discuss the absurdity of cultural capital and how individuals often…