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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 5-4-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: He's the Sean O'Connell Show, brought to you by Big
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  Speaker 1: Willis on Utah's number one sports talk and homa b
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  Speaker 1: ESPN Radio Network.
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  Speaker 2: Happy Monday, everybody, Welcome to the Shan O'Connell Show. Glad
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  Speaker 2: to be back with you after a Friday absence. Said,
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  Speaker 2: some awesome fights in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. Not the
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  Speaker 2: most glamorous location that the PFL excuse me, plans on
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  Speaker 2: traveling to this year, but.
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  Speaker 3: Sneaky cool little town. Do you ever have an opportunity?
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  Speaker 2: Not bad, not bad at all.
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  Speaker 3: We got oh man, excuse me.
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  Speaker 4: We'll see what major attractions are in Siouit Falls.
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  Speaker 3: The falls, the waterfall themselves.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, there's a wonderful museum called the Courthouse Museum, free entry.
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  Speaker 2: It's the old downtown Courthouse.
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  Speaker 4: There is the Native American history.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's like kind of the colonial settler
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  Speaker 2: slash Native American history. And you know, a lot a
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  Speaker 2: lot of that Lakota stuff played out in the Dakota's
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  Speaker 2: so really cool, really cool stuff.
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  Speaker 4: How far away is because Mount Rushmore is in South Dakota, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: how far away away from Mount Rushmore.
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  Speaker 2: Well it's about five and a half hours, Okay, so
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  Speaker 2: not that close.
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  Speaker 3: Mount Rushmore is on the other side of the state. Gotcha. Cool.
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  Speaker 2: So if you're looking to go to the Black Hills,
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  Speaker 2: you're probably not going to end up in Sioux Falls.
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  Speaker 3: But nice little town anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Great fights, amazing fights and what a weekend of playoff
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  Speaker 2: NHL playoff action, NBA playoff action, And we'll talk about
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  Speaker 2: all of it today on the show. Tom Callahan joins
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  Speaker 2: us in half an hour. Sarah Todd joins us in
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  Speaker 2: the noon hour. Shahanji Raja as there are lots of
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  Speaker 2: off season storylines right now. We have not picked his
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  Speaker 2: brain yet about the Big twelve's private equity deal.
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  Speaker 3: How many schools he thinks are going to opt into that.
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  Speaker 2: We got some numbers from the Big Ten conference on
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  Speaker 2: some of their revenue distributions, and it will highlight just
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  Speaker 2: how important more access to more money is for schools
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  Speaker 2: in the Big Twelve, because the Big Ten is printing
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  Speaker 2: its own cash right now. Exit interviews took place for
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  Speaker 2: Your Utah Mammoth after, of course, a disappointing Friday night
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  Speaker 2: where a lot of us thought hoped that maybe they'd
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  Speaker 2: be able to steal one back on home ice and
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  Speaker 2: extend the series to Game seven. Unfortunately, the tires just
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  Speaker 2: kind of blew off, and the Golden Knights were on
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  Speaker 2: a mission, stay dialed in, did what they needed to do,
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  Speaker 2: and it This is where playoffs are really interesting to me,
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  Speaker 2: because obviously we come from a spot in college sports
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  Speaker 2: and pro sports where it's kind of a championship or
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  Speaker 2: bust mentality, and you you didn't have that all season
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  Speaker 2: long with the Mammoth.
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  Speaker 3: For obvious reason, We've been we've.
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  Speaker 2: Been carefully filled in on all of the necessary steps
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  Speaker 2: in a new hockey market that Bill Armstrong and the
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  Speaker 2: Smith Entertainment Group and coach Behar and everyone else feels
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  Speaker 2: like this team has to go through. And we watched,
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  Speaker 2: i think, probably the most important step so far on
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  Speaker 2: this journey. This group, the core that is mostly together,
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  Speaker 2: and most of them are going to be back, and
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  Speaker 2: most of them are going to stay together. You've got
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  Speaker 2: questions about Tanev and Yamamoto and Kerfoot and some of
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  Speaker 2: these guys, but the nucleus of this team is locked
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  Speaker 2: in to contracts for a while. You got Mackenzie Wiger,
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  Speaker 2: you got an extension with him. And look, it was
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  Speaker 2: far from a perfect year, but we didn't expect perfection.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't even expect excellence. What we expected was are
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  Speaker 2: you going to compete for a playoff spot?
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  Speaker 3: And they did. They earned a playoff spot, and they.
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  Speaker 2: Made us believe they could win and should win a
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  Speaker 2: playoff series, and that we got some sound from the
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  Speaker 2: exit interviews. That's a sentiment that was echoed across the
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  Speaker 2: team with this Utah Mammoth squad, like, yeah, it's important
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  Speaker 2: to reach this milestone, and now you know, our goal
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  Speaker 2: next year is gonna be to chase not just a
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  Speaker 2: playoff spot, but it's like playing a video game. Achievement
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  Speaker 2: unlocked and now what's the next one? Now it's win
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  Speaker 2: a series, chase a championship. We're all in on twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty six, twenty twenty seven. Probably most realistically, we're talking
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  Speaker 2: about this team being Stanley Cup contenders when we're into
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  Speaker 2: twenty seven to twenty eight, twenty eight to twenty nine, maybe.
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  Speaker 2: But it was a glorious year in the second season
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  Speaker 2: of this franchise's existence as a Utah Hockey Club slash
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  Speaker 2: Utah Mammoth team that unfortunately came to an end uh
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  Speaker 2: five to one on Friday Night with the Golden Nights
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  Speaker 2: eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred. If
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  Speaker 2: you want to weigh in on the text line, I
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  Speaker 2: asked a simple question on the old tweet machine about
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  Speaker 2: who your MVP for this Mammoth team was this year.
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  Speaker 2: The low hanging fruit obviously is going to be statistically based.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to talk about guys like Dylan Gunther, You're
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  Speaker 2: going to talk about the captain himself. Clayton Keller had
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  Speaker 2: an up and down year. Clayton Keller had an incredibly
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  Speaker 2: complicated year off ice because of the unexpected passing of
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  Speaker 2: his father. And when you're asked to deal with that
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  Speaker 2: and still go to work, I mean everyone out there
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  Speaker 2: listening has probably had some level of life interruption and
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  Speaker 2: has had to compartmentalize and try to figure it out.
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  Speaker 2: Hopefully most of us haven't had one that drastic, that devastating,
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  Speaker 2: that unexpected, and then had to go out and perform
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  Speaker 2: your job in a very visible manner. Like ninety nine
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  Speaker 2: percent of us, our jobs are not front facing in public,
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  Speaker 2: and it's already a herculean effort.
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  Speaker 3: It's already a difficult task.
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  Speaker 2: To set aside the distraction, to set aside whatever it is,
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  Speaker 2: a death in the family, relationship problems, financial strain, an illness,
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  Speaker 2: to set those things aside and push forward in your
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  Speaker 2: accounting job is admirable. To do it as a lawyer
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  Speaker 2: is admirable. To do it as a police officer is
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  Speaker 2: incredibly important and admirable. To do it as a professional
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  Speaker 2: athlete where everybody knows the story, everybody knows people report
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  Speaker 2: on these things, and then to also say, oh, let's
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  Speaker 2: see how it affects him, and to watch you, maybe
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  Speaker 2: even more closely and with more curiosity, and I think,
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  Speaker 2: in the case of this fan base, with a caring
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  Speaker 2: curiosity but some intensity to it at the very least.
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  Speaker 2: And Clayton Keller pushed through. He played right away. He
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  Speaker 2: didn't hit a pause button and say, guys, I gotta
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  Speaker 2: go right now. He played the next day. That was
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  Speaker 2: the game in Dallas, right, I think that's right. And
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  Speaker 2: it was like, you know, he felt like that's what
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  Speaker 2: was best for him, what his dad would have wanted
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  Speaker 2: him to do. And we got the stories about, you know,
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  Speaker 2: what an incredible sports parent his dad was and the
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  Speaker 2: sacrifices that the family made in order to make sure
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  Speaker 2: that Clayton chased his dream. That that is a complicated
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  Speaker 2: thing to process in the best circumstances, to do it
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  Speaker 2: while your team is counting on you, and to do
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  Speaker 2: it that that gives him like a special consideration for
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  Speaker 2: Team MVP, even if his numbers weren't what you thought
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  Speaker 2: his numbers should be this year. To pull yourself up
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  Speaker 2: by the bootstraps when you have every excuse, and not
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  Speaker 2: a one person in the fan base in the organization
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  Speaker 2: would would give you a little side I like, are
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  Speaker 2: you sure you need to do this right now? Everyone
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  Speaker 2: would have been like, hey, man, take your time. And
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  Speaker 2: he stayed with the team, and he played with the team,
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  Speaker 2: and he helped lead the team.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and work to be to be honest with the
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  Speaker 4: OC work. And this is it's a it's kind of
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  Speaker 4: absurd to call professional sports work, but this is their work,
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  Speaker 4: right can be a distraction from that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 4: And so I I I think that, you know, hopefully
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  Speaker 4: in the long run, it's not something that he looks
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  Speaker 4: back on. It's like, man, I feel like maybe maybe
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  Speaker 4: I would have been better if I if I took
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  Speaker 4: some more time before I went back to work.
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  Speaker 3: Before I went back to play.
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  Speaker 4: But in the short term it actually it can help
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  Speaker 4: you in those in those situations. So I hope that
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  Speaker 4: that's that's how it was for Clayton Keller. He kind
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  Speaker 4: of a lot of athletes agree with that sentiment that
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  Speaker 4: in their experience it helps them with this. Hopefully that
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  Speaker 4: was the case for Keller. But yeah, the level of
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  Speaker 4: difficulty for him to put up the numbers that he
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  Speaker 4: put up, even if they weren't as good as last season,
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  Speaker 4: even if they were lower than expectations going in the year,
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  Speaker 4: the level of difficulty and still have a really good
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  Speaker 4: season like he did statistically and otherwise.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's a great case for Team MVP.
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  Speaker 2: And he's the captain, right so you're already gonna put
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  Speaker 2: him kind of forward for that.
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  Speaker 3: In the first place.
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  Speaker 2: The reason I think it's a compelling question is because
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  Speaker 2: you like Nick Schmaltz was so massively important in big
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  Speaker 2: time games against the elite Western Conference competition. I think
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  Speaker 2: Schmaltz has played seventy four points this year thirty three
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  Speaker 2: goals and forty one assists, so he was the second
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  Speaker 2: leading goal scorer on the team, behind only Dylan Gunter,
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  Speaker 2: and he had, he was seconding goals, and he was
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  Speaker 2: what third in assists? Yeah, I'm reading that right, third
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  Speaker 2: and assists on the team. Keller led the team in
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  Speaker 2: assists with sixty two.
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  Speaker 4: He was he was like leader, right, what's that? Was
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  Speaker 4: he the points leader? Kellen Keller?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he was eighty eight points this year, fourteen points
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  Speaker 2: better than anyone else.
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  Speaker 3: Schmaltz had seventy four.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Cooley, I think unfortunately the injury, the miss
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  Speaker 2: time for the injury, probably takes him out of some
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  Speaker 2: of that consideration. But I'm not asking for a regular
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  Speaker 2: season MVP. I'm talking about a season MVP.
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  Speaker 3: Here.
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  Speaker 2: A guy that stepped up huge in the playoffs, Logan Krause.
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  Speaker 2: I thought also was pretty impressive in the playoffs after
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  Speaker 2: that game one that was just disgusting for his line.
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  Speaker 3: I thought that he really stepped up.
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  Speaker 4: Hit a lot of goals for he was not He's
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  Speaker 4: not a guy you rely on to put the puck
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  Speaker 4: in the back of the net, and he had quite
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  Speaker 4: a few goals for the team.
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  Speaker 2: The sour Krause, the sower Crown Krause bringing down the Crows.
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  Speaker 2: Sirgachev was kind of his same old steady presence, Veggie
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  Speaker 2: led the NHL and goalie wins right. Part of that
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  Speaker 2: was they did not like Manichik wasn't good, so they
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  Speaker 2: had to put Veggie in, probably more than they wanted to,
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  Speaker 2: and he rose to the occasion on that and played
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  Speaker 2: pretty darn well. And he probably would love a few
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  Speaker 2: of those playoff playoff goals, playoff.
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  Speaker 3: Chances thrown his way back.
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  Speaker 2: But eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred,
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  Speaker 2: who's your team MVP for this Utah Mammoth squad in
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  Speaker 2: their second season of existence and of course their first
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  Speaker 2: time making it to the playoffs. I asked James to
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  Speaker 2: grab some sound from the exit interviews. I think there's
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  Speaker 2: some compelling stuff said by these players, and we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: have some more of that for you on the show
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  Speaker 2: later today, because you know, it's hockey.
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  Speaker 3: Guys are a little different.
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  Speaker 2: As we've come to know over the last couple of years,
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  Speaker 2: hockey guys to process things a little bit different. They
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  Speaker 2: talk about things a little bit different. And so you
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  Speaker 2: got some nice little sand bites. You've got some good stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And the overwhelming sentiment in the locker room, in the
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  Speaker 2: dressing room is that there's disappointment for the now, for
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  Speaker 2: the short term, for the fact that you lost, because
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  Speaker 2: of course they're all consummate competitors, and.
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  Speaker 3: Optimism for the future.
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  Speaker 2: It's a really interesting it's a weird place to be honestly,
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  Speaker 2: if I think if you're a professional athlete, because you
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  Speaker 2: don't ever want to give it an excuse, You don't
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  Speaker 2: ever want to say the quiet thing out loud, like
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  Speaker 2: we all kind of knew we weren't ready to make
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  Speaker 2: a Cup run this year, but maybe next year, and
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  Speaker 2: maybe the next year after that, and maybe the next
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  Speaker 2: year after that, and we should be a staple in
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  Speaker 2: this conference moving forward. You don't want to say to
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  Speaker 2: the media, you don't want to say, probably even to
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  Speaker 2: your teammates, like this wasn't our year, guys, it's next.
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  Speaker 4: Year that's supposed to be our year, and we weren't
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  Speaker 4: supposed to win in the playoffs anyway, kind of thing.
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  Speaker 3: You don't you don't want to do that and think
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  Speaker 3: that you don't want to.
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  Speaker 2: Like, well, yeah, I mean, come on, guys, this wasn't
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  Speaker 2: This isn't our year. And they're an experienced playoff team
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  Speaker 2: and they're getting a little bit older, so they're going
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  Speaker 2: to be out of our way in the next couple
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  Speaker 2: of years a lot of times. I mean, juxtapose it
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  Speaker 2: against the Boston Celtics into their season, Juxtapose it against
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  Speaker 2: all the exit interviews that you can find for NBA
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  Speaker 2: teams that are crashing down at the end of the year,
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  Speaker 2: and it doesn't feel like maybe it's less acceptable in
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  Speaker 2: the NBA.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe the guys are more focused on the here and now.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, but you don't hear it often at the
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  Speaker 2: end and of a football season. Hey, next year is
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  Speaker 2: gonna be a great year, though, And I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how many times also you hear from players that have
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  Speaker 2: contract uncertainty the definitive statement, I want to be here.
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  Speaker 2: I love this city, I love this fan base, I
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  Speaker 2: love this organization. If you're a professional sports agent, I
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  Speaker 2: don't even know if that's the message you want your
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  Speaker 2: player sending, because it separates you from a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of leverage. Sometimes not in every case, but everyone whose
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  Speaker 2: contract and future is even marginally up in the air
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  Speaker 2: that was asked about it in the player exit interviews
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  Speaker 2: was just like, yeah, I want to be here. I
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  Speaker 2: hope I get to run this back with these guys.
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  Speaker 2: I hope we get to do this again, and the
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  Speaker 2: reality is you might not. The reality is like something's
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  Speaker 2: gotta give. You got this pipeline of young guys that
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  Speaker 2: are coming up. I don't know when Baudoin's gonna be ready.
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  Speaker 3: We don't know when Againla's gonna be ready.
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  Speaker 2: Simashev and Boot both kind of flirted with the big
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  Speaker 2: league roster this season.
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  Speaker 4: Could be full time players next season.
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  Speaker 3: Could, I mean?
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  Speaker 2: And there and they bring I think some much needed
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  Speaker 2: size to the lineup. They're both you know, as big
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  Speaker 2: as Krause effectively, and they're they're still young and probably
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  Speaker 2: growing into a little bit more muscle mass. So I
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  Speaker 2: mean that this is the This is the tough thing
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  Speaker 2: for any GM and any sport, but for Bill Armstrong,
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  Speaker 2: you've got this sort of family vibe, this thing that
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  Speaker 2: you know, the the fan base is really glommed onto
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  Speaker 2: a group, a particular group, and I don't think it
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it only fits with the star players.
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  Speaker 2: Like you go into the arena, and obviously the Keller
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  Speaker 2: jersey is the number one seller, but you'll see like
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  Speaker 2: some of you'll see the Schmidt jerseys, you see the
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  Speaker 2: Smaltz jerseys, you see plenty of gun through jerseys. He's
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  Speaker 2: a star, though, like the role players are loved and
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  Speaker 2: appreciated by the fan base and by the rest of
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  Speaker 2: the guys in the locker room, and some of those
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  Speaker 2: guys are not gonna be back next year.
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  Speaker 3: Potentially.
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  Speaker 2: That's the pain of a season coming to an end.
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  Speaker 2: And Gordy has talked about this in the basketball sense
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  Speaker 2: many times. We talked about this just a few weeks
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  Speaker 2: ago with the Utah Jazz, and he points it out
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  Speaker 2: every year at locker room clean out. He says, you
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  Speaker 2: may never be in this dressing room, in this locker
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  Speaker 2: room with these guys ever again. And the reality is
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  Speaker 2: you're almost certain not to be The team won't be
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  Speaker 2: the exact same.
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  Speaker 3: There's somebody who's not going.
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  Speaker 2: To be part of this, who might be your best
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  Speaker 2: friend on the team, who might be your favorite player
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  Speaker 2: on the team as you're out there listening, and they're
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  Speaker 2: part of whoever that was part of the first run
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  Speaker 2: at the playoffs, the first like holy cow, that thing
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  Speaker 2: in the Delta Center when Friday night a couple of
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  Speaker 2: Friday nights ago, now a couple of Friday nights ago.
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  Speaker 2: When you rally and you win it and it's the
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  Speaker 2: loudest building that some of these guys have ever been
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  Speaker 2: in that stays with you and you want it to
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  Speaker 2: be there again next year, but it might not be.
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  Speaker 2: But every one of those guys, James and You're gonna
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  Speaker 2: cut the sound up and we'll have it on ESPN seven,
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  Speaker 2: other sports dot Com.
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  Speaker 3: We'll play some of it on the show today. Every
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  Speaker 3: one of those guys was like, Yeah, I want to
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  Speaker 3: be here.
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  Speaker 2: That says something about what Ryan and Ashley Smith have built,
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  Speaker 2: what Bill Armstrong and coach bhar have built, what Clayton
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  Speaker 2: Keller and Logan Krause and the other leadership on this
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  Speaker 2: team have built.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, I was just thinking that you were thinking about
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  Speaker 4: star player or fan favorites who leave teams, Like think
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  Speaker 4: about the JJ Paturka trade. Yea doan was you had?
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  Speaker 4: Didn't you have the donors? Was that what they called it?
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  Speaker 4: His fan his fan section in the Delta Center. He
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  Speaker 4: was part of that trade, a big, big fan favorite
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  Speaker 4: that you know, management and fans hoped it would be
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  Speaker 4: a net positive bringing in a great goal scorer like
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  Speaker 4: JJ Peterca. He was a little bit disappointing this year,
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  Speaker 4: particularly in the playoff series, but still young but you
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  Speaker 4: gave up a really a really, a really big fan
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  Speaker 4: favorite to get that kind of player who you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's hard to think about, but who who of those
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  Speaker 4: guys might we see on other teams next season? From
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  Speaker 4: this year's From this year's team. As beloved as Down was,
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  Speaker 4: he was not part of the first playoff team. So
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: the whoever it might be that that's going to be
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: different this year. That guy might might hurt your heart
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: a little bit more than than losing it than the
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: guys you lost last offseason from the inaugural team or
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: from the debut team. So that's that's always a tough thing, especially,
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: I think, especially when it's a new franchise like this.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Oh see, and you're.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: Like I, I've identified that role player that I really
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: love and then they're gone the next season. That can
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: that can be really tough. But you know, we're all
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: sportsmans here. We know that's the way the way things go.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: So it'll be ah, it'll be interesting to see what
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: kind of team they bring in next season, who returns
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: and who's gone.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: If you're out there listening right now, James, for you,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Bill Armstrong, I know you're a big fan of the
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: show and we'll get them on as soon as we can.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: I would love to know also as you're making decisions
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: about you know, where you you spend your your slightly
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: shrinking pool of asset money and of picks and things
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: like that, because now you have not just regular season
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: numbers on these guys, but over a six game series,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: you have some sense and it's not a full concrete position,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: but you have some sense of what these guys are
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: as playoff skaters. What kind of what kind of game
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: do you have? In the Stanley Cup playoffs. We see
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: that the there's an adjustment in style. We see that
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: the pace of the game changes just a little bit.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: We've dipped our toes into these waters now, and we've
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: talked about it in football for years. We've talked about
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: it in basketball many many times, and we're getting more
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: acquainted with it in the NHL.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: We've all had this.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Awareness, just sort of a general royal vague awareness that
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: playoff hockey is awesome and good and wonderful and full
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: of tradition, and they've got the beards and the referees
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: swallow the whistles for the most part, and all that stuff.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: We've known as sports fans about that. Now we've seen it,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: we've paid attention to it, we drilled down on the
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: minutia a little bit, and I gotta say, I think
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: that you're your playoff performance is something that this team
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: is going to look at and have to look at
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: significantly moving forward. Last, and Kraus was your points leader
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: in the playoffs. Dylan Gunther your season goals leader, as
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: one might expect, he's your goals leader in the playoffs.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Mikhail Sergachev kind of maintained his facilitator status in the playoffs.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: He was the leading assists man in the playoffs. Logan
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Cooley actually had more penalty minutes than anyone else in
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: the playoffs. That's an ignominius honor. That's something that you
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: don't want to see, probably, but maybe indicative or a
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: statement about what kind of guy he is when it's
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: all on the line. Plus minus leader was Schmaltz, and
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: there was some questions through about excuse me, Schmidt. There's
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: some question through a couple of games whether Schmaltz and
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Keller and some of those guys who were were stepping
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: the game up the right way in the playoffs, whether
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: they had the playoff style of hockey in them, and
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: that's those guys aren't going anywhere on your roster. But
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: if there's anyone else a little bit further down that
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: you're asking that type of question to, or asking that
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: type of question about, you know, maybe maybe that's where
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: this roster changes up a little bit. It's odd. I
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: don't want to see anyone go I said this after
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: last season. This is our group.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Now. These are the guys that we like.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: These are the ones, These are the guys who introduced
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: us to this and now this particular team, this group,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: these are the ones who introduced us to playoff hockey,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: and to expectation and to finally, after long last, a
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: professional team that plays at the Delta Center downtown that
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: is actually trying to win and we can really care
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: about and we can feel the sting of defeat. We
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: were finishing up our way in broadcast, James, and then
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: we were going to this dinner and I'm being the
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: obnoxious bad guest, the member of the group that's looking
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: down at his phone watching the game and making checking
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: on the score and getting out of the uber and
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: just being like, hold on, what's the Oh, we got
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: a bad connection here. I gotta switch over to the
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Wi FI. I was being that guy and it was
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: probably annoying his hell for everyone I was with, because
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: I kept, ah, they're talking to me, They're trying to
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: have real conversations, and like another, what is he doing,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: I'm fist pumping in a restaurant.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: When Kyler Yamamoto gets the only goal of the game.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: It's good to feel those things in professional sports in
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: the state. Real Salt Lake has brought that back this year.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: The Utah Mammoth brought it back in the Delta Center
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: this year. The University of Utah football team. You felt
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: the sting of expectation after there was some point last year, well,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I guess two years ago. Now, there's some point two
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: seasons ago now where you were just like, wow, this
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: is just bad snake bit, not that good, unlucky whatever
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: you thought it was where you just kind of like
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: numbed yourself.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: You weren't able to with this Utah Mammoth team.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: And that's the good stuff, man, that's the real stuff
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: of sports fandom.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: You're like, yes, we can win this series.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna start thinking about who I'm inviting to the
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: second round playoff games.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: And then when it doesn't happen. You're just like, oh.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Damn it, isn't it great to have that back? As
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: painful as it is, isn't it great to have it
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: back with a team downtown?
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: I say yes, James, May the Fourth be with.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: You or happy Sinko da Quatro, whichever you celebrate, probably
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: hopefully not Sinkle da Quatro.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: I'm more of a may the Fourth be with you
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: kind of guy.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: The Sinko da Quatro is a lot more obscure. But
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: if you're an arested development fan, you know what I'm saying.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: I still haven't watched it. It's very good.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: I've never heard the single daquatro reference. I only know
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: about the banana stand reference. Yeah, that's the most famous one.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: But that banana stands from the first season, and as
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: you know with TV shows, ones that get like a
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: cult following the stuff from the first season. If it's
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: really good, typically it's the most well lasting. Sinco da
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Quatro is a made up holiday that the Bluthes do
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: to counteract Sinco de Mayo.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: In Orange County.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: All right, so we have Caller Sound, Small Sound, Crows Sound,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Gunther Sound, Circuit Chief Sound, Veggie Sound, and Michael Carconi
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• 27:01
  Speaker 2: all today, and we'll do our best to sprinkle some
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• 27:08
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  Speaker 2: It's a three times or four times the size of
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• 27:47
  Speaker 4: It's a giant. Yeah, it's definitely a giant tater tot.
• 27:51
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• 28:52
  Speaker 2: If you're feeling the sting of a Utah Mammoth season
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: coming to an end, We're with you, all right. Hopefully
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: you got a chance to see playoff hockey at the
• 29:02
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• 29:05
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• 29:29
  Speaker 5: How are you, uh, you know what?
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: Not doing too bad? I appreciate the tuning, the mournful
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: dirge of you know, Don McClain coming in, But I'm
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: trying to go glass half full here as I look
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: back at this season and what it meant for the Mammoth, Well.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: Let's do that.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Let's approach from this glass half full, because if I
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: rewind all the way to the beginning of the season,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: when we're having our exploratory talks, hey, what should we expect?
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: What do you think is going to happen? Here?
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: It was this is a team that could make the playoffs.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: The optimistic ones of us said, this is a team
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: that will make the playoffs, and they at least did that.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: We saw some great stuff from them in the playoffs.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: We saw some things that need to be cleaned up
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: and fixed so they can advance beyond the first round
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: next time. But it feels like they're at least on pace.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: If we're trying to keep this glass half full. Is
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: this what the Mammoth franchise needed from their second season
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: in order to stay on track?
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it really is. And at the beginning of the
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: year on our show we said playoffs are bust. And
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: you know, even on here every time we come on, Hey,
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: playoffs or bust. That was how it felt. If you're
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: going to quote unquote take the next step, the playoffs
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: are the next step. They made the playoffs. They made
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: a pretty good showing against Vegas. I still think they
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: could have won that series, and we could you know,
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: talk about that to we're blue in the face, but
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: they didn't get the next step. They got the playoff experience.
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: There were some nice revelations, some surprises along the road
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: this year in the regular season, some players who really
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: stepped up. I think some other you know deficits in
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: the lineup made themselves a little more evident, and overall,
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: we have a clearer picture as to what it is
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: going to take to your original point to advance this
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: team even further in seasons to come.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: So as that picture comes into greater clarity, what does
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: it look like, where are the holes that need to
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: be filled still on this team and how heavy a
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: lift is it or is it just some tweaking.
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: Well, you know, it's one of those things where the
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: biggest question I've got heading into the offseason and where
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: there is the most potential for change with one move
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: is behind the bench. Andre Tourney's contract, you know, coming
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: into this year, was on its final year, and I'm
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: really curious to see what the direction is going to
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: be with all of it. Quite frankly, I mean, the
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: front office has to make a decision here on the team,
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: the identity, the focus of this team, because right now
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: they can go one of two ways. They have speed
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: elements and they can play fast and they can really,
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: you know, kill you with that, and they did to
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: Vegas a couple of times in that playoff series. But
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: they also can play big and physical and they've kind
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: of been drafting in that mold, so or maybe somehow
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: you can be a hybrid of that. But I think
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: that's one of the things that has to change, is
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: the way they approach their games and their game plan,
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: no matter what the result is of who's back there.
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: The other thing, I mean, this one's pretty blatant, and
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: the Vegas series underscored it three times they blew a
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: league and lost. That's huge, and that is not just
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: on the defense, meaning the six guys back there and
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: the goalie. That's everybody that is the whole team needs
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: to be better defensively, needs to shore those things up
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: too many times in the regular season, you know, we
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: talk about the naps, the defensive mythskews, the giveaways that
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: let other teams that were good in transition really take
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: advantage of Utah, and Vegas did it in the series
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: just where there were giveaways or miscues credit then they
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: capitalized on them, right, Vegas had to actually score the goals.
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: But it's the same thing we've seen from Utah defensively
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: for a while now, and I think that that, to me,
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: is a huge priority.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: We talked about special teams all year, so it would
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: be appropriate to look back in our post mortem and say,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: all right, the ups and downs, the roller coaster of
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: the penalty kill and the roller coaster of the power play,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: and especially the power play.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Deficiencies that we saw in the play.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Is that fixed with personnel or is that fixed with practice?
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: How do they address those things?
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: Well, again, it always starts with coaching. Special teams. Is
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: a lot of coaching, but then it is a lot
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: of personnel to play the way the coach wants them
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: to play. You can have what someone might consider the
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: perfect penalty kill or the perfect power play, but if
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: you don't have the personnel to do it, then you're
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: not going to execute what the game plan is. And
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: so it's it is chicken or the egg right here. Okay,
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: you have to take the personnel you have and put
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: together a game plan that will be successful for them,
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: because if you're trying to force a square pagan a
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: round hole. Look, Emonton's got the best power play in
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: the league because they have McDavid and dry title. Okay,
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: any team with McDavid and dry sitle could probably throw
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: chalk at a board and land a really good powerplay plan.
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: So that's it is part of its personnel. Part of
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: it's getting the right personnel with one another, and the
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: other thing too. On the power play. Towards the end
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: of the year, especially after the Olympic break, all of
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: a sudden, it got pretty good. It seemed like they
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: were executing. They were finding ways to get pucks through
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: and then to score some goals. They were getting into
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: what we call the greasy areas, which is right around
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: that net, you know, the five to ten foot circle
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: around the net where you're going to take a lot
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: of licks, but you're going to score a lot of goals.
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: And I think the evolution of some of the younger players,
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: you know Coolly gum Thor continuing to evolve and he's
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: got a wicked shot, like you know, those guys are
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: getting better with experience. I think that had something to
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: do with it too. And the penalty kills just straight
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: up hard work. It is hard, hard work and it's discipline.
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: When goals are scored on a power play, often by
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: the opposition, it's because there was even the slightest breakdown
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: and coverage and it takes a lot of mental acuity
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: as well as the physical skills and stam that to
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: continue to kill penalties. So you know, those are things
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: that you take the personnel you have and try to
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: fit the right guys into your system and if it doesn't,
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: think you've got to change the system. So I think
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: it is a little six and one half thousand to
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: the other, But again to me, it's more on the
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: coaching side, because I believe Utah, especially power play has
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: the skilled players to have a dominant power play unit.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Tom Callahan our guest talking to you, Tom Mammoth as
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: their season ended last Friday on a playoff loss to
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: the Las Vegas Golden Knights. We'll talk about the Western
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Conference playoffs as they continue to shape up, and the
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Eastern Conference playoffs.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: But the NHL Draft lottery is.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow, five o'clock, five o'clock Mountain time tomorrow, and the
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Mammoth don't have lottery odds. Vancouver has an eighteen and
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: a half percent chance to take that number one pick.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: But is this draft class?
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Is this group is the timeline that the Utah mambre
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: on right now? How much attention should we be paying
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: to the draft lottery and to this particular class of prospects?
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: I think the manas I mean every year. First of all,
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: it is worth it to look at the draft class.
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: But because Utah makes the playoffs, they're in the bottom
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: half of Round one, and they have done a nice
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: job over the previous several seasons of stockpiling draft picks,
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: so they have that capital. Here's two reasons why it's interesting.
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: Number one, just to see what your opponents around you
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: were doing and how they're faring how that might work
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: out for them. And number two for me, for Utah,
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: it's a point where I think, now the cupboards are
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: stacked with prospects, you have your picks. Yes, you want
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: to hit on your picks if you can, but those
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: are trade capital, those are means of moving around to
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: get players because now you're entering your Stanley Cup window.
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: In my opinion, this is the first year where the
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: window opened just a crack. Next year, I want to
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: see the window thrown open halfway in the year after that,
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: if better be wide open, because I think it's basically
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: a three year window. In years two and three is
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: where this team is going to be competing for a
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: Stanley Cup. So I think the draft matters in that
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: Utah might be able to do some maneuvering with what
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: they've stored up in prospects and picks to fortify themselves
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: with a mid range player. And I mean that as
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: far as age, like mid twenties, late twenties, maybe an
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: early thirties veteran, because they're going into that window. So
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: that to me is why the draft matters. I mean,
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: it's fun to see who wins the lottery, is it
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: going to impact the Mammoth. No, and how different is
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: that from a year ago? Which is actually a really
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: nice place to be if you're a Mammoth fan.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: The Stanley Cup Playoffs move on without us, as they
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: do every time a team loses. The Avalanche and the
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Wild put on just a bar burder of a game,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: fifteen combined goals in this one, and Colorado emerges victorious
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: to take the one zero lead in that series. Plenty
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: of hockey left to play. Obviously, we had just wonderful
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: hockey in the first round. Are we going to get
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: that same level of intrigue or even better in the second.
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: Well? If Colorado Minnesota Game one is any indication, buckle up,
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: stock team. That was nuts.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Boy.
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: I every time I looked away from that game, there
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: were not one, but two or three more goals on
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: the board. It was insane, but it's fun. Not every
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: game in that series is going to be like that,
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: but they're all going to be close. The contests will
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: get better as we get through the Cup playoffs, or
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: the intrigue will build. I can't believe Montreal bounced Tampa
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: in seven games, but good for Montreal. And now there's
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: a real old school rivalry playoff matchup Buffalo against Montreal.
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: Coming up, Carolina, I think is going to go through
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: Philly like a hot knife through butter. So that's that'll
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: be an interesting storyline from whether or not number one
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: Philadelphia can really make a series out of it. And
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: number two, if Carolina gets another sweep, they're doing a
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: lot of sitting around what happens when they get the
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: winner of Buffalo Montreal, So that's interesting to me. That's
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: going to be a storyline. And then I mean the
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: West is just going to be teams just beaten on
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: each other. I don't I'm going to hate to put
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: it this way, but I feel like Minnesota and Colorado
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: pretty much is the Western Conference final. I don't give
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: a chance to Vegas or Anaheim coming out of the
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: Pacific for either one of those two teams to beat
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: the winner of Minnesota Colorado. So maybe we are looking
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: at Carolina Colorado, but maybe not, and that's why we've
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: got to play the games. I would love to see
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: Anaheim pull the upside against Vegas, and I think that's
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: going to be a really interesting clash of styles. I
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: think that Utah showed Vegas as beatable and I think
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: that the Ducks can follow the blueprint and get the
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: job done. So to me, there's a lot of intrigue,
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: all for different reasons, all for different series. But if
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: you're just going to pick one to follow, it is
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: the Division series Central Division, Colorado Minnesota. That's the one
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: I would watch every single game.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Is Connor McDavid skating in an Oilers sweater much longer?
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: I mean, yes, I mean what's crazy is he took
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: a discount to ensure that that team who would have
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: the tools it needs to be able to support him
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: to win a Stanley Cup. But they cannot get out
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: of their own way when it comes to defense, goaltending
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: and supporting Tom McDavid. Quite frankly, they're lucky they have
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: a Leon dry Sidle. The Oilers were a worst team
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: this year than they were the last two years, and
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: I don't know that McDavid forces his way out of
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: Edmonton yet. Next season is going to tell you a lot, though,
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: If they come out of the gate and they're awful,
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: Evan taking change a lot by changing the coach, they
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: could really, you know, over the summer just be like,
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: you know what, we're going to go with a different
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: direction and then that's going to buy them a couple
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: of years of Hey, we're going to figure this out
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: and you know, how do we work with McDavid and
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: make this better. But I still stand by my prediction
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: that he's going to be the best player ever to
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: never win a Stanley Cup.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: That would be that would be brutal to see in
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: his career, given how great he's.
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean he's we throw around generational talent pretty
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: easily in any sport, but Connor McDavid truly is a
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: generational talent. Everything he does with the puck and without
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: the puck is exceptional. And yes, it would be a shame,
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: but man, I just I don't know. I don't think
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: it ever happens in Edmonton. I just don't. He will
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: have to go somewhere else. Eventually.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Are we going to see Sidney Crosby and Alex Sevechkin
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: back in the NHL next year?
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: Obie, Yeah, I think he'll come back for one more.
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: I know he said he's gonna evaluate.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: It, but.
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: There's just part of me that things he would like
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: to get to a thousand goals because it's a nice
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: round number and he could, but it's gonna take a
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: little while. He's not gonna do it next year, so
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: he's really gonna have to. And look, you know, at
• 43:59
  Speaker 6: the end of a Bedskin's career, he's going to go
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: back and play in the KHL because you know, that's
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: what Puton wants him to do. But he can still
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: go back and play when he's forty five or forty
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: seven years old. No one will know the difference. It'll
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: still be, you know, hometown hero, a NHL All time
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: great comes home for sind It's a little bit of
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: a different story the Penguins. Nobody gave him a chance
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: this year, but they came back and they made it.
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: But they're going to be another year older. But Tang
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: has always been injury throne, especially in the last five years.
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: I don't know if he's going to hang it up.
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: Malkin wants to come back, only wants to be in Pittsburgh.
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: Sid wants to come back, only wants to be in Pittsburgh.
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: Unless the Penguins in their younger core feel like they
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: really do have a shot at a run. I mean,
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: I don't know that they would trade prosby or if
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: you'd have the appetite to trying to go somewhere to
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: quote unquote when one more cup. But I think he
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: comes back. I don't think he's done. I just don't
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: get that sense. Nothing about the way the season finished
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: tells me he's ready to hang up up.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: So I put a question out this morning, this will
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: be my last thing, like who was the team MVP
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: this year? And it feels like the consensus is, like,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: you know, Clayton Keller playing through what he had to
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: play through and still being the points leader and facilitating
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: the way he did. If that's how people want to
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: say it, fine, A more fascinating question, who's going to
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: be the team's best player next year?
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Tom?
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: I like this question. This is good. Yeah, it's because
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: you get another year of Logan Cooley's growth, you get
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: another year of Dylan Gunther's growth, you get another year
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: of just the potential for guys next year to jump
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: in and make an impact to our prospects. Right now,
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: the again, less the book when Danoyer, could one of
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: them come out of nowhere in surprise? I think Cooley's
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: game overall, all the tools he has bode well for
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: him being the best overall player for the Mammoth. As
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: this team, you know, looks two, three, four years down
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: the road. But the guy that I love and will
• 46:20
  Speaker 6: be the team's leading goal scorer is Dylan Gunther. And
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: I love Gunther not only for his ability to score goals.
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: But there were times this year when the Mammoth were
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: just flat or just didn't have it for whatever reason.
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: They just weren't plugged in that night. But Dylan Gunther was.
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: Dylan Gunther was in the pile, he was in the
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: face of the other players. He has that as the
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: kids say these days, he has that dog in him.
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: He really does. To me, Dylan Gunther is the future
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: captain of the Utah Mammoth and I'm picking him as
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: my player for next season to be that person.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: All right, I love it. We'll ask you probably the
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: same thing before the season gets rolling. We still want
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: to talk some playoff hockey with you as we get
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: closer to the cup. So again, appreciate your time today,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: and you've been a great asset all season long.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: Let's keep it rolling.
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: Tom sounds great. I appreciate you having me on and yeah,
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: I look forward to it.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: That's Tom Callahan, one of the best in the business.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: At Callahan on air. If you're not every following on Twitter.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: He now gets to I guess take off the mammoth
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: hat and I'll probably hope for good things for his hometown,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Buffalo Sabers.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: That's where he came up. So that's right.
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: They're not only making in the playoffs for the first
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: time in what fifteen years, maybe even longer than that,
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: but winning a playoff series. Yeah, like, come on, beating
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: a I think Bruins are an original six team if
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken, beating its storied franchise and the Boston Bruins.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: Belle Fraser's brought Boston Bruins. Shout out to Bruins, Me,
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: shout out to Bell. Yeah, that's a big deal. That's
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: kind of I think that's my Eastern Conference team because
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: they're just a great story this year.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: It'd be cool to have the Savers make it through.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: All right, gotta take a quick one here. We'll come
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: back with the hot lunch. There were some revenue numbers
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: released by the Big Ten. This is why the Big
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: twelve is getting creative with their private equity, with their
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: ways to raise capital, because when you hear these numbers
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: that are being handed out for Big Ten schools, it's
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• 50:47
  Speaker 2: The Big Ten has distributed one point three seven billion
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: dollars to their member institutions.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: Now, this was.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: This is a report. Adam Rettberg, our guy, Adam Rittberg.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: He does the work. He digs it up. Oftentimes you
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: find that these are on kind of a year delay
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: because you have to audit tax records and things like that.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: So one point three to seven billion is actually fiscal
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: year twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five. Can I
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: give all of you a spoiler alert and a news flash.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: The Big Tens revenue distribution for twenty twenty five, twenty
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: twenty six, when Indiana won the national championship in football
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: after a big ten Leyden expanded college football format, and
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: then the University of Michigan won the men's national championship
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: in basketball.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: Next year, this.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: One point LA wins the women's national championship in basketball.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be bigger next year, all right.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: One point three seven billion dollars in revenue distributed to
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: the member institutions basically a year ago.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: It's going to be more the next time.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: We get this report from Adam Rittenberg, And what does
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: that actually look like for a school by school breakdown.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad you asked. First of all, it's a.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: Nearly five hundred million dollar increase from the previous year.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: That's why all these schools were like, Yeah, let's expand
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: the college football playoff, Let's further solidify our partnerships with
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: these television and streaming networks. Let's figure out how to
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: get more money coming in. An extra five hundred million
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: dollars for the conference. Banana sandwich, Okay, this is where
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: that money went. Revenue distributions of a total one point
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: three to seven billion for a single year this now
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: two seasons ago. It was the first year that they
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: brought in the full eight team member conference with Oregon
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: and Washington, all right, who were on a reduced distribution
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: partial revenue share.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: So excuse me.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: So Oregon got forty eight point four million dollars on
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: a partial revenue share, Washington got forty six point seven
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: million dollars on a partial revenue share. James, your Ohio
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: State Buckeyes happened to receive the biggest distribution for obvious
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: reasons as the national champs. Again, this is from the
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four to twenty five fiscal year.
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: I like that we're living in the past two year
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: national champions.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: You want to take a crack at guessing how much
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: money the Big ten the check that the Big Ten
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: cut to Ohio State, And again this is just their
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: distribution of revenues. Ohio State has its own coffers that
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: it can fill with merchandise.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: Sales and all that stuff. This from the conference. This
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: is from the conference.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: Uh, how much out at of one point seven billion?
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Well, how about let's think about what like the best
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: case scenario for a Big twelve team is, Like let's
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: say Texas Tech, who won the conference this year, and
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: let's say Utah is gonna win the conference next year,
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: and maybe Utah is like, you know what I'm gonna
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna take the private equity money, which is a
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: loan instead of just a revenue distribution, but I'm gonna
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: maximize how much I get. Think of whatever the loftiness
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: of that number could be, and then be like, all right,
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: was it more or less than that?
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: Spoiler alert, it's.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: More ninety one and a half million dollars from the
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: conference for Ohio State.
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: So they reported I don't know if this is the
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: same year, but didn't they report like about three hundred
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: million dollars in revenue, maybe two hundred to three hundred
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: million dollars in revenue. And this might be a different
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: year than we're talking about, so this ninety one might
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: not be part of that. But let's say it's a
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: similar number. That's like a third of what they of
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: what Ohio State, blue blood school like that produces in
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: revenue in a recent year here like that's yeah, it's
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: a different level.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: Ninety one and a half million for Ohio State, eight
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: almost eighty nine million for Penn State, who was a
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: semi finalist in college football. Other full members, so this
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: is not Oregon, Washington, other full members received between seventy
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: six and eighty million dollars.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: This this is why the Pac twelve died.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: That's the rest of the full members. It's it falls
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: between those two numbers. That was Rutgers, Yeah, that was
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: the University of Wisconsin. That Maryland when the last time
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: Maryland did anything in the revenue sports, so you could
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: think of, I guess they went to the Sweet sixteen
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: that season.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: But like, Maryland got seventy six million dollars for me
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: not doing much on the field, on the court and
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: on the field.
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, goodness, gracious.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: This is this is why Brett yor Mark and Mark
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: Harlin and Taylor Randall and everyone associated with these Big
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: twelve programs is looking at whatever avenue they can explore
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: to get more money coming in. Because those are the
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: numbers you're chasing. Those are the old numbers. We're gonna
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: May of twenty twenty seven, I'm gonna be like, guess
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: how much it was this last year? It was another
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: five hundred million, which puts them at almost two billion
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: of distributions, and Indiana's gonna be probably up at or
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: over one hundred million dollars for theirs. Ohio State's gonna
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: be up there, and we're gonna be talking about the
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: Big twelve conference, like, hey, man, Utah, Utah got sixty
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: million bucks and thirty of it was alone, and you're
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: supposed to compete with that with those guys, Kyle Whittingham
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: and his team and his department are gonna be rolling
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: around Scrooge McDuck style in an eighty plus million dollar windfall.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: The Big Ten killing it. By the way, you might
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: be asking, well, what about the SEC. The SEC released
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: similar numbers. They were slightly over one billion against sixteen
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: members instead of eighteen, and the average for them was
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: seventy two million dollars per school, So the Big Ten
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: average is higher. They were up in that seventy seven
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: million dollar range and the SEC was at seventy two.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: That's what we're chasing everyone. By the way, I need
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: Jim Delaney's agent.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: Whatever.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: The former commissioner Jim Delaney of the Big Ten retired
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. He was the commissioner from nineteen eighty
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: nine until early twenty twenty. He got five point eight
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: million dollars in bonuses and deferred compensation plus six hundred
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars in consultation fees.
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: From the two years ago when he was five years
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  Speaker 4: removed from or four years removed from being commissioner.
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  Speaker 3: He got bonuses.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: You got five point eight two million dollars in bonuses
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: in deferred compensation.
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: I had deferred compensations, probably most of that.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: But he made He made more than Tony Pettiti did,
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: who was four and a half million dollars as the commissioner. Goodness,
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  Speaker 2: the only job better than being a Big ten commissioner's
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: being a retired Big ten commissioner.
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: WOWSA.
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  Speaker 2: All right, we talked a lot of NHL playoffs. Let's
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  Speaker 2: get to some NBA playoffs. Sarah Todd's gonna join us next.
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  Speaker 2: That's the hot lunch from Big Willies at seventeen seventeen
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  Speaker 2: South Maine.
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  Speaker 3: Stop by grabbed the Patty Melt sandwich.
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  Speaker 2: Today, telemose, he sent you ESPN seven hundred and ninety
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  Speaker 1: It's the Sean O'Connell show. You were home of the
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  Speaker 1: from the Murder Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred ninety
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Shan O'Connell show, Our two on
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  Speaker 2: a Monday. Welcome in Sarah Todd Utah Jazz beat reporter
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: over at day's news at NBA Sarah, which is an
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: absolutely incredible Twitter handle, Sarah, welcome back.
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  Speaker 3: How are you?
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  Speaker 5: Thank you?
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  Speaker 7: I did great branding when I was in college and
• 59:46
  Speaker 7: I was planning on eventually someday becoming an NBA beat reporter,
• 59:51
  Speaker 7: and I got the email, I got all of the
• 59:54
  Speaker 7: social handles on Twitter, Instagram, everything, and so I'm very
• 59:58
  Speaker 7: proud that I jumped up that early before I even
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 7: had the clout to even have the name NBA Sarah.
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  Speaker 2: It's the digital equivalent of dressing for the job you want.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, I love it.
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  Speaker 2: We've got an NBA Draft lottery coming up this next Sunday.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: It is also Mother's Day. Does do you think Ryan
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  Speaker 2: Smith has to have like a Mother's Day gift, a
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: better one for if the Jazz don't do well in
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: the lottery odds, and one that's maybe not quite so
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: crazy and pricey if Ashley can celebrate them getting I
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: don't know, like the number one pick. Are there two
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: gifts in waiting for the mother of the Smith family.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I just have to imagine that if you
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 7: have Ryan Smith's money, the Mother's Day gift better be
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 7: really good, no matter what the situation.
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  Speaker 3: I got you a plane. Happy Mother's Day.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, Sean, isn't every day Mother's Day?
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  Speaker 3: Certainly in my house?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I listen. I think that.
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  Speaker 7: I think that Ryan might have learned his own lesson
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 7: about how to react to the lottery last year, because he,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 7: you know, he was seen. I wrote about it that
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 7: he kind of angrily stormed out of the broadcast ballroom
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 7: where the broadcast is held last year, and then you know,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 7: he had the Twitter post where he talked about, you know,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 7: being on a run the next day and like screaming
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 7: in the as he was running. And as soon as
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 7: I saw that post, I thought, well, that doesn't really
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 7: say too many good things to the guy that you're
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 7: actually going to pick number five. Overall, that's kind of
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 7: a little bit of a slap in the face. And
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 7: you know that turned out to be, you know, a
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 7: month later, that was ACEH Bailey. And so I think
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  Speaker 7: that this year, you know, no matter no matter where
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 7: the balls fall, that he probably gonna have a good
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 7: reaction and a good gift for everyone all around.
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  Speaker 2: I can I have a funny anecdotal story about Ryan
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: Smith's reaction to the draft lottery. So I I ran
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: into him at a brunch right after the draft lottery,
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  Speaker 2: and I I don't like to bother people when they're
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: in public, but I was just like, man, I love
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: what's going on with the with the hockey club. I thought,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: I think it's so great that you've brought NHL hockey.
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  Speaker 3: And he was started.
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  Speaker 2: He just mumbled some response about the Jazz pick instead,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: like he didn't even hear the words that came out.
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  Speaker 3: Of my mouth.
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  Speaker 2: It's like number five. I was like, what, That's not
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  Speaker 2: what we were talking about.
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  Speaker 3: Man. I was like, uh, he's got he's got things
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: on his mind.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, this this coming draft lottery, the Utah Jazz
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: do have a ten and a half percent chance to
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  Speaker 2: take the number one pick. It's interesting because there were
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: so many eggs in that basket. It felt like for
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: the fan base last year. And I don't get that
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  Speaker 2: sense at all, even though it's Aj Debonsa sitting up
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  Speaker 2: there at number one. Why the different expectations, why the
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: different reactions from this fan base from.
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  Speaker 3: Year to year.
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  Speaker 7: You think, yeah, I think that this one is I
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 7: wrote about this, I think last week in my newsletter,
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  Speaker 7: where it's just like, this is a this is a
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  Speaker 7: draft lottery. Finally, after these four years of tanking, that
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 7: finally Jazz fans can kind of feel good going into
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 7: lottery night. And I think that it has to do
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 7: with the kind of handcuffing that that pick owed to
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 7: Oklahoma City had on the Jazz over the last few years,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 7: where it was like, well, if we don't if it falls,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 7: then we don't keep the pick.
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  Speaker 5: And there was all this this worry.
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  Speaker 7: About keeping it and the fact that ahead or following
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 7: the lottery each year, there was this way of knowing
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 7: that the Jazz still weren't going to be good, that
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 7: they still were going to be tanking, that all of
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 7: this was still happening, that the rebuild was still kind
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 7: of on the ground floor. And this year it's like,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 7: you know that the team, what the team is going
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 7: to have next year? You know that going in next year,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 7: let's we're just assuming blanket statement here. The assumption is
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 7: that they're able to resign Walker Kessler, but we you know,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 7: we'll cross that bridge later.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: On.
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  Speaker 7: But you know, we know that the Jets are going
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 7: to have Walker Lowry Market and Jaren Jackson junior keyante
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 7: George Ace Bailey as like their starting unit core, the
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 7: young core that they're going to move forward with. And
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 7: so it's not like the weight of the potential future
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 7: of the team. It's not like they were taking for
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 7: Cooper because they were only had just a bunch of
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 7: draft assets. They made a big swing last year at
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 7: the trade deadline this year at the trade deadline, and
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 7: so there's there's kind of this feeling of like, yeah,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 7: we're going to start trying to win game next year.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 7: We're going to have kind of a good team. We
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 7: feel like things are on the up and up, and
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 7: so there's just a lot of feelings that, like the
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 7: tanking days are over. We're already going to have like
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 7: a pretty good team. Anything that happens in the lottery,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 7: any pick that the Jazz are going to get number one,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 7: if it's lower than like number five, then you're just
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 7: adding depth to the team and to the core that
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 7: you already know you're going to have, And if you
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 7: get like one of those top picks, it's kind of
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 7: just a bonus, right it's like, whoa, we already think
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 7: we have something pretty good and we can potentially get
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 7: like a top four guy who has All Star potential.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 7: But I think it just it has a lot better
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 7: feelings than any of the last four years, when it's like, well,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 7: if we fall out of the top fives, then maybe
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 7: we don't get someone that's even rotational and we're tanking
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 7: again next year. So there's just a different feelings on
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 7: the horizon.
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  Speaker 2: I imagine they've got a contingency plan for if things go
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: as well as they possibly can. Sitting up there at
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: number one, if you're at five, six, seven and you
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: can still grab a quality player, because this is such
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: a deep draft, who do you think that is? Is
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: it best player available? Is it positional need? Because at
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: that level of the draft you usually go with best
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: player available. But we've already talked about some of the
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: core you have, and there's some specifics there with the
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: you know who where the holes are and where you
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: feel like you're pretty set.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think you know there are some holes that
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 7: the Jazz have, right Like I think that if you
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 7: look at kind of point guard or at least ball
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 7: handling guards, the Jazz don't have a ton of depth
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 7: there at least that you think like, oh, that guy
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 7: can definitely play in the playoffs, right, And so I
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 7: think that that is kind of a need that they
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 7: Jazz have, but also they have to have to have
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 7: to be better defensively, and so I think that you know,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 7: if you have someone like, for example, Darius Akaff, who
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 7: is you know, still on the board and considered like
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 7: the top talent available when the Jazz are picking, that
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 7: looks pretty good from an offensive perspective, but I mean,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 7: he was a traffic cone on defense in college, and
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 7: so I feel like that would kind of be a
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 7: big miss for the Jazz if they were to take
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 7: someone to put on the perimeter that doesn't play defense,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 7: because they already struggle there. And so I think that
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 7: you'd kind of it's kind of a mix of both, right,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 7: Like you want to take the best talent available on
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 7: the board, but also something that makes sense and isn't
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 7: going to, you know, drag you down at all or
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 7: make your life harder.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: Sarah Todda is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: show talk at all things Utah, Jazz and the NBA
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: right now. Fifteen total instances of teams coming back from
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: a three to one deficit in the NBA playoffs, and
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: we've got.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: Two in the first round of this year's playoffs. Why how.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 7: I mean this couple of answers. One is I always
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 7: tell people like, yeah, whenever you hear this up brought
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 7: up every year, like oh, it's never happened, that it's
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 7: never happened, or you know it hasn't I always say,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 7: it hasn't happened yet.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 7: That's the same thing as like, you know, no one
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 7: ever had scored thirty seven points in a single quarter
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 7: until Klay Thompson did it at a really random game
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 7: in the middle of the regular season, right like it
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 7: can happen.
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  Speaker 5: It can happen again.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 7: The same thing, you know, Bam out of bio scoring
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 7: over eighty points in a game, guys coming back down
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 7: three to one in the playoffs. It just hasn't happened yet.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 7: I thought I was, you know, there in the bubble
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 7: when the Jazz were down, when they were leading the
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 7: Denver Nuggets, and it looked like, oh, there's no way
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 7: because it never happened that they're going to lose the Nuggets.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 5: And then the Nuggets beat them in.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 7: That series, and so I just I think number one,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 7: it hasn't happened yet, But also I think that the
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 7: teams that it's happening too are kind of also teams
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 7: that nobody really believes can go all the way, right,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 7: Like you're getting it in series where it's between teams
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 7: that I don't really think are destined for the finals.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 7: That could come back to bite me really hard right now,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 7: right And I'm totally willing to take that l if
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 7: I'm wrong, and like, you know, the Sixers end up
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 7: in the finals, that's fine.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 5: I'm willing to.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 7: Take the L because I am also the one that
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 7: just said, oh it, you know, hasn't happened yet. But
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think the Celtics are the team that
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 7: everyone assumed would come out of the East. But also
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 7: the Eastern Conference is fraudulent, and so I just I
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 7: don't believe in anything that happens over there.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: So you don't put a lot of credence into Jalen
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: Brown's claims that the referees had an agenda to push
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: Philadelphia through and that's why the Celtics have been eliminated.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 7: I mean, how many years has the Celtics been the Sixers,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 7: What would the what would the referee's agenda be to
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 7: just like make Joel Embiid feel happy one time because
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 7: he's been so sad at Boston so many years. Like
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 7: I just now you know what the referees agenda. If
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 7: you're a basketball player, especially one at Jaylen Brown's level,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 7: I think that your agenda should be, maybe we should
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 7: just win so many games at such a level that
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 7: we don't put the game in the reft hands.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: Well that that's that's the correct stance, but it's not
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: something It assumes radical responsibility for the player and you
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: can't blame anyone else if you're if you're that good,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: and you have to be able to blame the other
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: when you lose a series or a game or whatever.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: That's it's a it's a died in the world trade
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: of many athletes.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 5: You've know this, Yeah, I know, and.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 7: I just don't have a lot of patience for it.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 7: I just think, man, you're at you're one of the
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 7: best players in the world. You've gotten to this level,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 7: like maybe take a little bit of ownership. I mean,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 7: he was feeling a lot of ownership all year when
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 7: he was in the you know, kind of second tier
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 7: MVP race. But while people were also saying like, are
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 7: we really going to get to a point where the
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 7: sixty five game role makes us forces us to vote
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 7: for Jalen Brown for MVP, And so maybe the right
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 7: thing to do would have been to actually play like
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 7: an MVP player and win that series.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: How do you feel about the seventy six Ers putting
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: some some guarbrails in place so that non Philadelphia residents
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: are going to have they're gonna have to go to
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: the secondary market to get playoff tickets. They're they're building
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: a virtual wall around the tickets so that they can
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: have seventy six Ers fans in the building instead of
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: Knicks fans.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 7: I mean, that feels safe. I just think that this happens.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 7: I mean, this happens in other sports, you know, where
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 7: you know there's only a certain number of tickets or
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 7: they're you know, you kind of have to jump through
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 7: hoops to get them. I think that kind of makes sense. Also,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 7: Philly is incredibly stubborn, but in one of the most
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 7: lovable ways. I mean, listen, I spent many years living
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 7: in Philly and covering the Sixers, and so there's like
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 7: an affection that I have for that city, and I
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 7: think that, man, if New York fans want to go
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 7: into Philadelphia and they want to do the work to
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 7: get the tickets and be in that building, more power
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 7: to them. I cannot wait to see that whole thing unfold.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards might be able to get back to this
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: second round series. How crucial is that going to be
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: for the Minnesota Timberwolves or will it matter ultimately against
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: a team like the Spurs.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 7: Acial For me, oh see, I tried so hard to
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 7: watch the last couple of games of that series. And
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 7: I mean like I would turn it on, watch for
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 7: five minutes, turn it off, and I'm yelling in my
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 7: living room at the time, like I don't want to
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 7: watch this game. I hate this because I did not.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 7: I didn't care whether or not the Wolves or the
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 7: Nuggets won, but I did not want to watch a
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 7: game where it was just Bone Piland and Jaden McDaniels
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 7: beating the Nuggets, like I wanted to watch Anthony Edwards
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 7: and Dante DiVincenzo. And that night that I would assume
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 7: New had against the Nuggets was incredible. And then He's
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 7: also out so like, I don't want to watch these
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 7: playoff series where it's a makeshift team of the team
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 7: that I thought was going to be there, and like, yeah,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 7: crucial for the Minnesota Timberwolves. Absolutely, they just like there's
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 7: there's no hope of getting you know, all the way
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 7: to a Western Conference finals, uh, without having Anthony Edwards.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 7: I don't think that's an outlandish thing to say, but
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 7: just for the viewing experience, like, it's just so frustrating.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 7: I don't want to watch a series with the Wolves
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 7: without Anthony Edwards. That does not sound interesting to me.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: Will they win it if he's healthy? Will they win
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: it if he's not?
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that they they could win it if
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 7: he's healthy. Could right, I mean, anything could happen, It's
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 7: it's the playoffs. But I think that if ant is
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 7: not healthy that they they are not winning that series.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 7: That I don't know if they do if he is healthy,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 7: but I definitely don't think that they win it if
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 7: he's not on the court.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: The Dallas Mavericks have hired Massai Ujirie as team president
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: and alternate governor, about six months removed from running the
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: Old Guy out of Town who became unfortunately kind of
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: a laughing stock around the league, whether it was his
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: fault or not. Given the trade with Luca, what what
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: kind of impact does Massiugerie have on a Western Conference
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: team that the Jazz are going to have to deal
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: with with their young core for a while.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 5: You know, It's funny.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 7: One of the first things that I thought was, like,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 7: what would Missie do in a situation where he had
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 7: a team kind of with the players that the Mavericks
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 7: have kind of a small window with some aging players.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 7: It's like, well, he would take a big swing and
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 7: go after some player like I don't know, like a.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 5: Luca for example. And that's the first.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 7: Thing that I thought, is like, you know, he's adopting
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 7: inheriting a team that did the exact opposite of what
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 7: he would have done, because he went and got Kawhi
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 7: knowing that it was on like a one year, one
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 7: year lease and to bring a championship to Toronto and
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 7: it worked. And he's going to a team where the
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 7: kind of player that you could have make that happen
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 7: is the one that your predecessor gave away. And so
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 7: what can they expect is that he's going to take
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 7: big swings but also that he truly, truly understands the
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 7: kind of window that a team has for a championship,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 7: And I think that's a good thing for them to have,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 7: especially considering kind of the aging, you know, stars that
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 7: they have in Dallas. I think that he's really going
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 7: to focus his efforts on actually building something around Cooper.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: Who will the Magic hire as their next head coach?
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 5: Does it matter?
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: Look, they played well enough through three games, through four
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: games that it feels like, yeah, it kind of does, right.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: I Mean, they've got they've got a nice little thing
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: going on in Orlando, don't they.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 7: Well, if the if the Orlando Magic, let's just say that,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 7: if you learned your Magic had the number one seed
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 7: or the number two seed and they beat the Detroit
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 7: Pistons or the Celtics, who would just watched the Sixers
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 7: beed uh in the East? Would you pick them at
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 7: all to win a title?
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: No, But that's what we can't be doing this in
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: the NBA, right, I Mean we can't just be shrugging
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: and say, well, kind of doesn't matter who you hire,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: because if that's the case, what are the Utah Jazz doing? Like,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: there's no reason to believe in the Jazz more than
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: the Magic at this point.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 7: That's a great it's a great point that you make, Like,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 7: what are the Jazz going to do to compete against
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 7: the Whimpes and the Shaye Gilders Alexanders of the world.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 5: That's the longer conversation.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Thunder roster is terrifying, and they're all as
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: young or younger than every everybody else in the West.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: And then yeah, the second best team, what I think
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: is the second best team in the league right now,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: has a twenty two year old best player on the
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: planet who's only going to keep getting better. And it's like, well,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: you're still supposed to roll a basketball out there and
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: compete and do your best.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 7: So here's what I hope for the Magic. I hope
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 7: that it's not just like I don't like the regurgitation
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 7: in the NBA, where it's just like the Doc Rivers
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 7: and Nick Nurses of the world just continue to roll
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 7: on and be hired by another team. And I just
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 7: I think that like new I like what the Bucks
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 7: did right that they hired Taylor Jenkins because he's still
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 7: one of like the young and innovative coaches that hasn't
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 7: been like moved around and he isn't in his sixties
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 7: or whatever. I just think that like new blood and
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 7: that some sort of innovation or like taking a swing
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 7: on someone that's a little bit unconventional. Those are the
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 7: things that I like when you know, new coaching hires happen,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 7: and I don't want to just see like you know,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 7: Mike Brown and Mike Budenholz are all the mics of
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 7: the world. Like I just I get tired of seeing
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 7: that coaching carousel because that's literally a cliche in sports,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 7: is coaching carousel, which means that nobody's getting off, it's
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 7: just spinning. It's the same horses in every market. And
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 7: that's what I hope is Like the Magic do have
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 7: like a fun young team and interesting squad like you
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 7: were saying, and just they need some tweaks and they
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 7: need kind of new energy. And so that's what I
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 7: hope for the Magic.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: We will keep our fingers crossed for the Magic and
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: all of the other also rans, including the Utah Jazz.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 7: Hey, don't you have some lottery conspiracies that you want
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 7: to throw out here?
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: Uh, well, I was going to ask you how much
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: the NBA pays each of you to be quiet about
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: their manipulation of the lottery when they invite you into
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: the room to actually watch the draw.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 7: Oh man, if I was getting paid to be in
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 7: that room, I would be so much happier, Like I
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 7: welcome it. Someone come and try and bribe me, someone
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 7: I would. That's the kind of money I'm looking for
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 7: in life.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 5: Oh see, I wish that that was happening.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: You're not getting any hush money, really.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: No, I would hush money.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 7: Again, that's the kind of money in life that I'm
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 7: looking for. I'm I'm on journalist money over here, all right,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 7: it's not glamorous. I promised you that. On journalist money,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 7: if I was watching something untoward happening in that room,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 7: you would absolutely be hearing about it.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: I just I want I want it to make sense.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: Why when teams and like I've kind of like set
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: fourteen percent serious about it, when something happened like happened
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: last year, where it's just like, hey, this seems like
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: it's a nonsensical move that really helped the league, and
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: then oh there's a big reward. I want that to
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: make sense because otherwise I'm like, you're telling me that
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: a franchise that made what we all thought was the
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: absolute wrong move then just gets a mulligan on that
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: absolute wrong move, and our hometown Jazz can't get anything
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: to help him out.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: But that's what I'm looking for with my conspiracies. Make
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: it make sense.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm o man.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 7: I mean, I can bring out all of the cliches
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 7: of life's not fair, housey and nice guys finished last, right,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 7: Like the the thing that always stands out to me
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 7: is when that happened, the moment that the Mavericks ball
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 7: combination was drawn out of the machine. The look on
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 7: the faces of the people involved, like the Byron Spruwell,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 7: who is the you know in the NBA hierarchy, it's
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 7: he's third, right, He's after David or Adam Silver and
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 7: asker Mark Tatum, and so he's the one that's in
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 7: the room for the lottery drawing. And then there's you know,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 7: someone from NBA Legal, and then there's you know from
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 7: Ernst and Young Legal. There's these people that are standing
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 7: there that are kind of you know, they're supposed they're
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 7: checking each other's work basically in the room, like they're
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 7: looking at the balls that are drawn. You know, they're
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 7: looking at their packet of numbers that has the combination
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 7: to make sure that the right name is being announced.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 7: All of us reporters have the same packet of numbers.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 7: We're checking to make sure, like, yes, we agree that
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 7: they're saying the right numbers and they're saying the right
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 7: name team name that goes along with it. All of
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 7: those people when Dallas Mavericks was announced, When that combination
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 7: come up and we all looked down at our packets
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 7: and we saw the numbers matched, the looks on their
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 7: faces were like, I wish.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 5: That I could describe it to you. It was like.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 7: The looks said, Okay, I guess we're about to say
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 7: this out loud. This is horrible. Like that was the
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 7: look on their face is that they knew, they knew
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 7: it was bad, They knew the way that it was
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 7: going to look. They knew that they really actually had
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 7: to say it out loud. It was incredible, Like it
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 7: was an incredible moment, absolutely my favorite moment so far
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 7: of being in that room because of how just everyone
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 7: in the room was like, oh my god, this is
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 7: the worst possible outcome for a team that does not
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 7: deserve what we're about to say out loud.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: Okay, do me a favor.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: I want you to take a crisp, brand new five
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: dollars bill with you into the room. I want you
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: to walk up till I don't know, one of those suits,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: and I want you to just like slip it into
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: the front pocket of a suit or a suit shirt
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: and just say, hey, get us aj to the jazz
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: all right, and just pat it after you slip it
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: into the pocket, just an open hand pat and a wink,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: and then go sit in your journalism seat and be
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: a pro.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: Again we do that for me?
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 7: No, oh, absolutely not Two things here. Number One, the
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 7: journalism salary is the only one I have oi, and
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 7: so I do have to keep it, okay. Number Two,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 7: I think that I would need a bill that's a
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 7: lot larger than that in order for that to actually
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 7: mean anything in that room. And again, the journalism salary
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 7: is the one that I'm on, and so those are
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 7: not bills that I carry around.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's bills that any of us carry
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: around that could help out in that effort. But we'll
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: keep our fingers crossed. Thank you so much. Oh, by
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: the way, like, do you know what what Mother's Day
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: celebrations are happening in your world. Do you make a
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: big deal out of this holiday when everyone while you're
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: you know, absent and working.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 7: No, Honestly, I make no effort at all because my
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 7: mother lives in California, and so I have been away
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 7: from my family for major holidays for most of the
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 7: last fifteen years working in this business. And so they
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 7: understand that, you know, Christmas, Birthdays, holidays, all of it,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 7: it's not going to land on the right day for me,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 7: and so I make it up later. And so I
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 7: don't even think about it. The combine and the lottery
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 7: are always over this weekend and so I'll make a
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 7: phone call. But I am making it up this summer.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 7: Me and my husband, we're taking both of our mothers
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 7: on a European trip.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: Oh that's awesome.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 7: We are absolutely making up for miss holidays this year.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: James, you know, was paying for that the hush money.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: See see, it's not the hush money.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 7: It's the one perk of my job, and it's the
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 7: flight mile that I get for traveling and covering an
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 7: NBA team. Otherwise we would not be doing this.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: All right, while I have you the what's the stance
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: on the Mother's Day gift for the non literal mother, Like,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: so for someone who's not a mom, a step mom
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: is not.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 5: Me, I'm a step mom?
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: Is that, Well you don't count, then you're a step mom.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: So like people who don't have kids, you know, like
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: the newlywed who maybe someday is going to have a
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: kid but doesn't have one. Now the sister in law
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: who's single and doesn't have any kids.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: And gets like the well.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: Here's something as a potential future mother, or here's all
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: women are motherly in their own What is the stance
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: on the non mom getting a Mother's Day gift from
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: the you know, the step mom the female perspective.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's weird, But if you're a non mom, you
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 7: don't need a Mother's Day gift. Listen, I spent I
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 7: became a step mom last year, and so there were
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 7: thirty eight years of being a non mom and I
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 7: never once thought, oh, where's my Mother's Day gift? That's
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 7: weird and so don't do it.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 5: That's my stands, all right.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: I appreciate I like that from you. I'm writing that.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 7: Also people that people that don't have children, I mean,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 7: ostensibly they have money that they are not spending on children.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 7: Children are so expensive. Yes, and so if you have
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 7: a significant other or somebody in your life that's buying
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 7: you a gift, hopefully you're getting a gift more often
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 7: than just one Sunday in May because you don't have
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 7: kids that you have to spend money on. Like go
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 7: if you feel like you need a gift or that
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 7: you deserve one on Mother's Day, like go buy it
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 7: because you're not spending your money on a kid.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: I love Sarah Todd so much. Is your the absolute best.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: I appreciate your perspective on basketball primarily, but just on
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: life in general.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 7: Hey, can I can I do a preemptive Friday?
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: Are your grievance right now?
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: And will James get ready to cut this and we'll
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: play it again on Friday?
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: Okay, go.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 5: Normal spaces in life.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 7: Where people are moving, you guys have to stop stopping
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 7: in them. Don't in the middle of a sidewalk, in
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 7: an aisle of a store, on the concourse of an arena,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 7: like you. It's so easy to move to the side
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 7: when people are in the in the middle of a
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 7: stairwell landing, people stop in the strangest places.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 5: Don't do that. Keep it moving. That's my gripe.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: All right, we will echo it and we will reiterate
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: it in Friday's Airing of Grievances.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 7: Keep it moving, you, keep it moving, play with submergency.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: Move along, Sarah, enjoy the weekend and we'll chat again soon.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 5: All right, thanks a lotos you talk soon.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: Sarah Todd.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: If you listen to that conversation, you know exactly why
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: we love having her on and why we always go
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: over time when we do.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: I so, just real quick.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: I have I've hated the Father's Day equivalent of what
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 4: we're talking about. Growing up in the prenominant religion here. Yeah,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: and you marrying into a family who's part of that oc,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: you know how big a deal they try to make
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: the non fathers feel on Sunday and Father's Day and
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: the non mothers feel on Sunday and Mother's Day. For me,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: I was like, don't wish me happy Father's Day. I'm
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: not a father. It's a stop it. It feels like
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: one of those.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: Things where it means well, like the intent behind it
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: is wholesome, but it's just.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: Like it doesn't. It's nonsensical. It feels awkward.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: And then also, you don't need to help me feel
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: included here, That's fine.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: It's like, wait a second, So we're handing out we're
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: handing out roses to the moms for Mother's Day, and
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: we're also handing out roses to the non moms for
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: Mother's Day. So there's nothing to separate the actual moms
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: and the non moms on Mother's Day. Isn't that the
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: whole point of Mother's Day is we we put the wonderful,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: heavenly motherly thing on a pedestal, which should be there
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: all the time, we do it for just the one day.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: It's just like, well, hey, but what about the non moms.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: You can't make them feel bad? It's like, what everybody
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: has to be inquitted? No, they actually don't. And that's
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: the same thing with Father's Day. You're absolutely right. It's
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: just like, hey, happy Father's Day. I don't know any kids.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: Someday you might, okay, but I don't, so.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: So you don't, so please please don't don't put met
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 4: weird now. Of course, I'm like, I'm all about wish
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 4: me happy Father's Day. It was great last year, the
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 4: unexpected first Father's Day as the boy was born a
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 4: few weeks early.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: He was born a little early. You can't wait for this.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: Year, you know, Like I'm all about it now, but
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 4: up until last year, I'm like just I'm like trying
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 4: to avoid people looking at me on Father's Day, like,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 4: but don't don't don't wish me a happy.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: Father Mother's Day.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: By the way, is this Sunday for anyone who's like
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: a procrastinator, is late to the party.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: If you're gonna have a gift shipped, order it today.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: It's your only shot, Okay, especially those places that are
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: just like estimated delivery and they tell you it's like
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: tomorrow that's estimated delivery, and all those places with Mother's
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: Day gifts, they're being overrun right now. So order it today.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: Save yourself the trouble. All right, We'll take a quick
• 1:31:35
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  Speaker 2: That's your home of the NBA playoffs. We talked a
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  Speaker 2: little bit about this with Sarah Todd. Orlando Magic have
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: fired their head coach, Jamal Moseley five seasons in first
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: round loss to the Pistons. They led three game to one,
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: then they lost in seven games. This is one of
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: those crazy things right where it's the sliding doors moments
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: that you have in life and in your career. Now,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: Moseley's gonna be fine. He's only forty seven years old.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: He'll get an assistant job, or he'll get another head
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  Speaker 2: coaching job or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: He's gonna be fine.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: But if your team wins one more game and you
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: knock off the number one seed, you're not getting fired.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: Losing after being up three to one. Your owner, your
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: team president, says, you know what, the players got us
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: to this point. The coach stopped us from getting beyond this,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: and so you get fired. And now whoever, whoever the
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: next person is, and Sarah Todd says, it probably doesn't
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: matter that much, But whoever the next person is takes
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: over for a team that you helped grow develop and
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: maybe gets them one step further and becomes the hero
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: of the day, all because of that one strange you know,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: like four possessions go a little bit differently, and you
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: still have a job. It's so wild in college coaching.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: My favorite example of this is the Ryan Day situation
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: when he won a national championship, not this past year,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: of course, that was Indiana and Kurtz Signetti. He won
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: a national championship at Ohio State because of it, And
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: it's because of an expanded college football playoff. If he
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: had to wait one more year for the field to
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: expand to twelve, they would have fired him.
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  Speaker 3: Instead, he became a national champion.
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  Speaker 2: It's not because he's not a good coach that they
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: were going to fire him.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: Obviously, he's a good coach. He had went on to
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: win a national championship.
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  Speaker 2: But the rule change, right, the format change, benefited him
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: more than I've ever seen any change in any employment
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: benefit anybody.
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  Speaker 4: Can you imagine how not jet black his beard would
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 4: look if he did get fired. Can you can you
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 4: imagine that.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: A single gray appears and spreads like wildfire across the
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: entire chin.
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  Speaker 4: No, you're absolutely right about that, because a good chunk,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 4: if not, if not like enough of the fan base
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 4: to say the whole fan base wanted him out. There
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 4: was a good enough chunk of that fan base that
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 4: where it was that that athletic administration, the ads, the
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 4: athletics farm, whoever is making ultimately make those decisions that
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: the university president.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: They would have been justified.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 4: The fan base, a lot of the donors probably probably
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 4: would have felt that would have been justified if there
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 4: was not if it was still a four team playoff.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 4: Ohio State misses the playoff by losing to their rival
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 4: once again. At that point it was what it was
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 4: three or four years in a row. Instead there's there's
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 4: eight more teams in the playoff, and they were the
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 4: most talented team in the country if they showed it
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 4: in the in the playoff and won the national championship,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 4: and then he got an eight year extension. And now
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 4: even after a disappointing finish to last season, losing their
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 4: last two games, he's completely like, not fireable. If he
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 4: does that again this year, we'll see what happens. But yeah,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 4: it's wild how quickly that that kind of thing can change.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 4: And you're right about Jamal Moseley. If they pull off
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 4: this first round upset, he's still the coach of the magic.
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  Speaker 2: And not only like and then if they lose the
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: next round, it buys you at least another year because
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: you knocked off a one seed.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there was there was across the NBA. There was
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 4: a huge feeling and probably there and you most certainly
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 4: they're locally in Orlando, in the Orlando area, there's a
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 4: huge sense of this team really underachieved, this team really disappointed.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 4: I the complete other direction on that. I think their
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 4: expectations were way too inflated because they spent way too
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 4: many draft picks to get Desmond Bane and I've had
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 4: I've voiced my skepticism about powellman Carrol long term as
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 4: your number one option for a team that that you
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 4: want to that you think is on the top half
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 4: or the top end of the Eastern Conference. I just
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 4: don't think they're there. I think they played as well
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 4: as I expected them to, but everyone else believe that
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 4: they should be a top re team, top four team
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 4: in the East. So yeah, this they were wanting to
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: fire him before the playoffs series started.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: Then they're up three one, it's like, well.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 4: You know what, maybe they're Maybe the playoffs is when
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 4: they were going to finally play like we thought they would.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 4: They ended up playing the way that I thought they
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 4: would and losing the series. So there you go.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: Jalen Brown went on Twitch and he he stated that
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: the refs had an agenda to call offensive fouls on
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: him and hardly on anyone else.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: This is the quote.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: They clearly had an agenda if Jalen does this move
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: the push off, called offensive foul and follow him every time.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: He says he talked to some refs and they said
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: there was an agenda against him.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 4: Really, Jalen, that was the craziest thing that I heard.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 4: They played it on Dan Patrick. You A bunch of
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 4: people saw it on social media last night. People were
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 4: on his Twitch streams certainly saw it live like he
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 4: for him to say I talked to some refs and
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: then claim those refs told them, oh, yeah, you're right, Like,
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 4: no way that happened.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: That's there.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: We've had We've had referees on okay. And what does
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: the fraternity of referees always do when you ask them
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: questions about a controversial call about something that is, you know,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: building a groundswell of support from a fan base or whatever.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: What does every referee you have ever heard on every
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: station do every time.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: They backed the referee absolutely?
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 4: Do they either agree you with the call unequivocally, or
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 4: they say, you know, that's a really tough call exactly.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: They cape up for the boys, and that's fine, but
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: it's ridiculous that Jalen Brown is just like that to
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: me though they admit that there's an agenda against me.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: Shut up, Jalen. Also, here's the thing. He's a really
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: good basketball player.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: He is. Do you know what kind of players.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: Cause agendas or league office conversations with referees, Not really
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: good players. It is dominant, world changing, unstoppable players. Those
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: are the players that incite some kind of conversation between
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: the league and the referees and like coaching staffs and things.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: It's Shaquille O'Neal and those types of players just like, hey,
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: we have to do something here in order to stop
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: the hack a Shack or in order to stop Shack
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: from you know, throwing this elbow and getting like we
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: have to do something.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: Jalen Brown, You're not that guy.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry that self awareness is lacking. Just to add
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 4: some context to that. His theory is, he's obviously a
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 4: very outspoken guy, always has been very intelligent and very
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 4: very well spoken. So he he his theory is he
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 4: has not been silent all year about his cripes with
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 4: the referees in postgame, in postgame interviews and whatnot. He's
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: let the refs have it whenever he's felt there's a
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 4: there's some kind of injustice against him or his team.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: And so his theory is, because I have been very
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 4: critical throughout the regular season, the refs decided to gang
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: up on me. I just I don't there's and there.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 4: Maybe that's true, Maybe that's true, but there's no way
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 4: they told him that they did that.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: Now, if that is true, also right, And again, this
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: is a really intelligent guy. So if you believe that
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: that my words led to this action from not just
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: a referee, but from like the fraternity of referees. If
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: if the reaction to my action is that they now
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: have a vendetta against me and they are going to
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: penalize me excessively and through me, to penalize my team excessively,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: then what is the thing for you to do as
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: an active player. It's to shut your mouth and not
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: give the referees a reason to single you out. I'm
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: all for standing on principle. I think it's an important
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: thing for people to do. But if you standing on
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: principle has a real world consequence, if you actually believe that,
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: a real, real, real world consequence that you can't control
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: by continuing your standing on principle, and it actually hurts
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: not only you, but your team, your franchise, the city
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: of Boston, whatever, and you continue to do it, then
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: you're just a moron.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: You're just selfish. It's and maybe his maybe his.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 4: Like what the difference thing is with his mindset is well,
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 4: I didn't say any of this. Well, the series was
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 4: still going on. Now it's the time. Now, I feel
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 4: like it's the right time to debt, But I still
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 4: don't think that's the right time to do it.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: If I had some deeply held belief that free speech
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: should protect every word in speech, and I was gonna
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: come on terrestrial radio and I was gonna drop F
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: bombs all the time because I don't think the government
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: should regulate that. And that's the hill I wanted to
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: die on. I wanted to stand on business on that.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: I wanted to be critical of the FCC. You can't
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: regulate this, you can't talk and they were just like, okay,
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: like we now have to cancel your show. And we
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: have to fire your producer because he's the one who
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: allowed the bad words to get on airr or whatever.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: Then I'm the idiot, not like I know the system
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: I'm fighting against. Maybe I think it's corrupt, maybe I
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: think it's not good, But just shouting into a microphone
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: about it is not how you win those battles. And
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: it's certainly not how every athlete at every sport going
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: back to the beginning of time that had decided to
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: pick fights with referees could come to you and tell you,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: you know what, it didn't work for me, Jalen, and
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: it's not gonna work for you.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a bad idea.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 4: And the other spicy thing he said some refs, if
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 4: I had to choose, in other words, if he were
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 4: the commissioner, you need to be investigated. And he said
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 4: three of them reffed the last three games of this series.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 4: He didn't name names, but he said he went as
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 4: far as to say they were reffing game seven, the
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 4: last three games that they happened to lose.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: But we don't even have we don't even disagree on
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: the fact that referees should be investigated and held accountable.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: If there's bad calls or inconsistent calls or whatever, but
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: that is not for you, the player to talk about
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: and put a target on your back with That is
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: foolishness and it could be costly for your team.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 3: What are you doing? All right? We got to take
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 3: a break.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: Shahanji Raja is going to join us to talk all
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: things going on in the world of college football, the
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: Big twelve private equity deal, Brendan Soresby, and his gambling update.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: What's the latest in the Brendan Soresby case. Is he
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: headed to the NFL's supplemental Draft. We'll check in with
• 1:45:11
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• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: at Shields you've got the Dock Dogs event coming up
• 1:45:19
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  Speaker 3: Shahan, welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, thank you so much for having me.
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  Speaker 2: Can I congratulate you also on something that I just
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  Speaker 2: piece last year, which all of us read that you
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  Speaker 2: and I talked about on this very show. Congratulations, Shahan,
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  Speaker 2: that's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 8: Thanks, thank you so much. Yeah, it definitely wasn't something
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  Speaker 8: I expected, but very very excited.
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  Speaker 2: That's awesome, and you know what, you're great at the job,
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  Speaker 2: so you deserve it. Let's jump into what's going on
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  Speaker 2: in and around the Big twelve. I want to start
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: with the big picture news we got. I guess it
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: was last week now that the cop Rance has reached
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: a private equity deal that will allow up to thirty
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: million dollars of cash to come in per program I
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: should say per university voluntary opt in kind of a situation.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: It's also going to bring money in to the league office.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: And you know, on a surface level, it looks like
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: a pretty typical private equity partnership. They're not going to
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: have a ton of decision making, according to the League
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: Office power to you know, make changes, at least not
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: as of now. There's like a sunset clause potentially to
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: look at. But I know that you you dive into
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: the details a lot more successfully than the rest of
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: us do. So give me your thoughts on this private
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: equity agreement in partnership with the Big Twelve.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 8: Yeah, So the biggest thing to know about it, right,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 8: is there is a distinction between private equity and private capital,
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 8: and so essentially what capital is, which is what the
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 8: Big Twelve is primarily doing. I mean it's essentially alone, right,
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 8: it's alone with some strategic partnership involved. There isn't necessarily
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 8: selling of equity stake, right, so that these outside groups
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 8: don't necessarily own these schools or own the League or
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 8: anything like that. But it does come with some strings, right.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 8: It comes with obviously an expectation that that money will
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 8: be returned with interest. In many cases, it comes with
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 8: the expectation that certainly these outside groups feel at least
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 8: some ownership involved of what happens next with these conferences.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 8: And these programs, and so it'll be a little bit
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 8: of walking a fine line of both trying to take
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 8: care of your financial interest while also trying to maximize
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 8: the money available to you to try to put yourself
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 8: in the best position. Now, I think that four Big
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 8: twelve schools right now, there is kind of this understanding
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 8: that something is probably going to happen in college football
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 8: in twenty thirty, twenty thirty one, whenever all a lot
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 8: of these conference media rights deals expire. You know, does
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 8: that look like a super league? Does that look like
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 8: a breakoff of major college football. We don't really know
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 8: the answer to that question, but I think that there's
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 8: sort of this understanding that, you know what, we don't
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 8: want to have programs that aren't ready for this moment
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 8: financially when that time comes. So if we have to
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 8: take a short, long term hit, we need it for
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 8: that short term benefit.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: It's interesting because when I think of, okay, what makes
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: a team ready for impending changes three four, excuse me,
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: five years down the road, and if part of what
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: makes that team ready for those changes is more debt,
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: I start to balk.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: At that a little bit.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: If this is you know, credit and you're borrowing and
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: you're having to pay these things back with interest, and
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: you're leveraging against future revenues an invitation to something else,
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: a better television deal on the revenue associated with that.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: To me, it's scary because it feels like you're just
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: getting further and further behind the eight ball while I'm
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: also reading stuff about the Big ten handing ninety million
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: dollars to Ohio State from the twenty twenty four to
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five fiscal year. So on one hand, I'm
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: applauding the effort here to try to close the gap.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: On the other hand, I'm concerned that the gap just
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: continues to widen because it's not it's not profit necessarily,
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: it's it's a leverage against future profits.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 8: No, and it's it's a totally fair question, and it's
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 8: one that I think that a lot of these programs
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 8: and teams are going to have to answer. And by
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 8: the way, it's part of this deal. Big twelve schools
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 8: are not required to take the money, right, They're not
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 8: required to take this infusion of capital, and some may
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 8: decide not to. This is, I think, more than anything
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 8: else for let's call it the you know bottom half of.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 6: Big twelve schools that's really.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 8: Struggling with capital right now. You know the schools that
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 8: you know, I'm in again and I don't have any
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 8: information at this point who is confirmed to take it.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 8: But you think of like the eye with States of
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 8: the World. You think about it of you know, UCF
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 8: maybe coming in and trying to have an infusion of capital.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 5: You think about it with the you know.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 8: The four newcomers that transitioned up from the group of
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 8: six that didn't have full payouts until very recently, so
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 8: you know, maybe that can help take care of some
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 8: short term debts and maybe you're trading that off for
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 8: again a lower interest rate. So it just depends.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 5: I mean, every one of these.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 8: Schools has to take all these considerations into account. But
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 8: like you said, I mean, the Big ten has all
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 8: this money flowing out, and again the gap between the
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 8: Big ten SEC and the Big twelve ACC continues to grow.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 8: But even with that context, the Big ten is looking
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 8: into equity deals as well and capital deals as well,
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 8: because nobody has a necessarily great idea of what's going
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 8: to happen next, and they're trying to build themselves up
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 8: to a point where they can serve vibe whatever comes next.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 8: So this is not just an issue that let's call
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 8: it the bottom half, bottom third of the power conferences
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 8: is dealing with. This is an issue that seventy five
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 8: percent of the power conferences are dealing with. And they're
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 8: trying to again because we know that Ohio State is
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 8: going to be fine in the next iteration of whatever,
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 8: We know that Texas and Georgia are going to be fine.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 8: Everybody else is trying to figure out can I save
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 8: myself a seat?
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: Shahanji Rajah, our guest here on the shottle Connell Show,
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: talk at All Things Big twelve for now, that was
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: going to be one of my questions for you, like
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: who ops in, who ops out? I think it's safe
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: to say here in the state of Utah BYU and
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: their Athletic department and their university as I think they
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: were asked about it when Utah did the private equity
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: deal with with Ultra Capital, and the response for BYU
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: at that time was yeah, we're not going to get
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: involved in this kind of thing, and we haven't heard
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: anything that would reverse that sentiment between then and now,
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: So I think by us probably on the outside looking
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: in we associate Texas Tech partially because of that award
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: winning article you wrote with like, you know, big time money,
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: and so maybe there's not as much of a need there.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: Do we think that the.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: That the flush members of the Big twelve for lack
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: of a better term, will just say hey, no, thank you?
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: And if so, does that change their relationship with the
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: conference at all?
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 8: I certainly don't think that it will hurt any relationships
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 8: or change any relationship with the conference. I mean this
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 8: is this is an opportunity for teams from the conference
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 8: in their eyes, this isn't necessarily a commitment in that way.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 8: I think that you mentioned right, b YU has done
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 8: a really good job of raising money and putting themselves
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 8: in a good position competitively in all this, and they
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 8: don't seem likely to do it. And also, I mean
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 8: I think that for a number of you know, financial
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 8: ass but whatever you want to call it reasons, I
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 8: that by you would be a little more reluctant to
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 8: do it.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 5: Than most teams.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 8: I think tech Tech is interesting because, for one, you know,
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 8: if you have everybody talks about Cody Campbell, it's really
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 8: like six or seven guys who are all billionaires are
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 8: close to billionaires if you can get a short term
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 8: essentially loan from one of them and even potentially pay
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 8: some of it back, Like, does that make up for
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 8: the fact that you don't take on thirty million dollars
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 8: in debt from outside capital? Maybe, right, Like, maybe that's
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 8: something to take into consideration. So I do know that
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 8: that Redbord Capital, specifically some of the founders of it
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 8: have some ties to text tex So maybe that is
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 8: a thought right that you know what, these are partners
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 8: that we trust. So I don't know that it's necesarily
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 8: going to strictly break down. You know, the poorest schools
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 8: are all going to take money, the richest schools are not.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 8: Because here's something else to think about, is like, if
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 8: Texas Tech has thirty million more dollars to create more
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 8: value over the next two years, you know, maybe they
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 8: might just do that. But I do think that we
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 8: certainly are going to see it with some of these programs,
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 8: let's call it the programs that are struggling to get
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 8: up to that twenty million dollar rev share number. Right,
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 8: Because even if you want to get into the logistics
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 8: of all of this, like Texas Tech is trying to
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 8: push their repshare and their NIL higher and higher through
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 8: these outside means. There are other schools in the Big
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 8: twelve that are just trying to stay at that twenty
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 8: million dollar number. I think that this infusion of capital
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 8: is going to be more useful for those teams than
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 8: necessarily the high dollar teams.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: This is probably an unfair question to ask, but it's
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: one that I asked when Utah finalized. It's a private
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: equity deal, and it's a question I've had when the
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: Big Ten talked about exploring, you know, outside sources, and
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: now that we have it in the Big twelve. If
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: you are a member of the Matador Club, if you're
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: Cody Campbell and Company and you're seeing the conference, be like, hey, like,
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: we're we're going to get money from these outside sources,
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: but we're going to pay it back with interest as
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: you already mentioned, or in the case of Utah, we're
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: gonna get money from outside sources, but they're going to
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: then have an equity stake in our athletic department.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 3: If you're a.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: Traditional booster as we've always defined them, where you're gifting
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 2: this type of stuff, is there another level of financial commitment.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: Is there another level to unlock from a Cody Campbell
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: to say, yeah, yeah, Like if you want an extra
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: thirty million dollars for me, I have it. But I've
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: already given you all the gifts I'm going to give you.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: The charity is done. Give me a piece of Red
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: Raider Athletics, or give me a six percent interest rate
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: or whatever. Well, this potentially alter the way that boosters
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: at Big twelve schools and elsewhere have a financial relationship
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: with their universities.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 8: There is actually and this is something I've thought about
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 8: trying to do over you know, maybe this offseason or
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 8: maybe the next year. Like there is something to be
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 8: said and talked about with the concept of what are
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 8: boosters getting in exchange for money? And this has been
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 8: this is like, this is a question that dates back
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 8: a century, right, Like this has been happening since we
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 8: had football in the fifties and sixties and donors were
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 8: getting money. And I think that some of this stuff
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 8: is still true, right, Like one big piece of it is, Yeah,
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 8: you're getting access, you're getting influenced, you're getting reputation, like
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 8: Cody Campbell is now. I mean, first of all, he's
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 8: chair of the board of tech Tech University. So I
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 8: mean in practice, right, he's very involved in the running
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 8: of the university, but he's also kind of a local
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 8: micro celebrity. He gets unlimited access to these people. He's
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 8: part of the planning process. He almost gets some of
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 8: the benefits of, like you said, owning a professional franchise,
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 8: without necessarily the liabilities of owning a franchise at the
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 8: same time. Now, I think where it gets interesting, right,
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 8: is that, like this has been a passion play, I
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 8: guess you'd call it for a very long time, that
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 8: this is a place that you know what, We're gonna
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 8: put tens of millions of my dollars, hundreds of millions
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 8: of my dollars into this athletic department because I like
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 8: it and care for it, and because I want a
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 8: place that I care about to succeed.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 6: Well.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 8: Again, like you said, I mean, the more that this
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 8: keeps getting corporatized, and the more that it keeps getting monetized,
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 8: and the more that it's always been a business, but
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 8: this is obviously as business as it's ever gotten. You know,
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 8: I think less about the idea of loaning and you know,
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 8: school zwing money back to boosters, And I think a
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 8: lot more about the context of like why would you
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 8: do it? Right, Like, like, at what point do you
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 8: just say, well, you know, you've got all this money,
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 8: you've got all this revenue flowing in, Like why am
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 8: I going to donate to you? And again, you know
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 8: right now that has not come to effect. But like
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 8: at one point in time when you donated X amount
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 8: of dollars, what they did was they put your name
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 8: upon the football stadium. Yeah, and when you get it
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 8: to a quarterback of transfers after a year and a half,
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 8: you don't get that same return on investments even personally.
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're absolutely right.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: And it's a we've we've talked about and we've read
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: about donor fatigue and other places, and you know, it's
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: usually like like a Troy Aikman, it's somebody we already
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: know that's already famous. It's just like, yeah, I don't
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: really I gave money, and you know the kid left,
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: or the kid didn't even know where the money came from,
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 2: or didn't even want to shake my hand or whatever.
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: And so I think it's a very real situation and
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 2: it's one of the things, one of the many, many
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: hurdles that need to be overcome in the world of
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: college sports sooner than later.
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 3: Shahanji Raja for a few more minutes.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: Here on the Sean O'Connell show that this isn't even
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 2: more interesting and fascinating story for me. Brendan Soresby and
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 2: his gambling scandal checked into a gambling rehab facility.
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 3: We go back through the history and he.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: Was at Indiana, he was gambling on Indiana games doesn't
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 2: look like ones that he actually played, but gambling on
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 2: Indiana games when he was there. When he was at Cincinnati,
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: he was gambling. When he's at Texas Tech, I think
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 2: we could assume like something is probably still going on,
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: and now that it's caught up with them, he's at
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: risk of losing his eligibility. He's retained the attorney Jeffrey
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: Kessler to try to keep that college eligibility. There's the
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: NFL supplemental Draft. If that can't happen. How do you
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 2: process the Brendan Soresby saga and what it's going to
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 2: mean not only for him but for Texas Tech.
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, look, it's huge, obviously. I mean, but
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 8: when I look at this team, I think it's going
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 8: to matter more for the ceiling of Texas Tech this
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 8: year than the floor. You know, first of all, I mean, look,
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 8: if Will Hammon doesn't tear his acl last year, I
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 8: don't think that they're taking this kind of swing on
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 8: a quarterback in the portal. But now they did. Obviously,
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 8: you know, we don't know I full hamm is going
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 8: to be back by week one. That's a huge question
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 8: mark hanging over the program. And then the other thing too,
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 8: is like the uncertainty of all this is also something
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 8: that makes it just a little bit worse. You mentioned,
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 8: of course, Brendan sooresby retaining Jeffrey Kessler, who, like you said,
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 8: is the attorney who negotiated the house agreement on the
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 8: side of the player. So essentially the NCAA's worst nightmare,
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 8: right when you talk about lawyers. But you know, depending
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 8: on what the data is, I mean, the data might
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 8: be what the data is at this point, right, I mean,
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 8: if he explicitly broke some of these rules, like you're
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 8: getting to the level of trying to challenge and court
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 8: the idea of players not being able to gamble on
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 8: their own games like that is probably not something that's
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 8: you know, that's something that's probably going to hold up
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 8: even you know, when you talk about some of these
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 8: new rules and regulations. So ultimately I think that tech
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 8: seg will be okay. I think that even if they
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 8: have below average quarterback play, they're gonna have the top
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 8: three defense in the Big Twelve. To me, they might
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 8: have the most talented running game in the Big Twelve
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 8: or up there with you know, teams like Utah and BYU,
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 8: and so I think it's still a team that, especially
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 8: when you look at their schedule, they're gonna have a
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 8: really good chance to be in the Big Twelve title game.
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 8: They're gonna have a really good chance to maybe win
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 8: the Big Twelve and make the make the playoffs. But
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 8: I will say the difference between Brendan sorosby being on
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 8: the roster and whoever else is playing quarterback being on
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 8: the roster is that I don't think they can win
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 8: a playoff game without plus quarterback play, and I don't
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 8: know that they're guaranteed it with sores be potentially out.
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: For him personally, there's the prospect of fighting to try
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: to maintain his eligibility. I assume that also means maintaining
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: the nil contract that is reported at somewhere around six
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: million dollars with Texas Tech. There's also the factor of,
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: you know, having to pay money back to Cincinnati. But
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: a little non throwaway fact here is that apparently Cincinnati
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 2: learned about him gambling before his last year with Cincinnati,
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: and I guess didn't report it, didn't investigate, didn't punish
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: him for it. Will that change the buyout relationship between
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: Soresby and Cincinnati, I guess in any case.
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 8: Yeah, And I want to be clear at this point, right,
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 8: nothing's you know, all this is still alleged. You know,
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 8: it's going to depend a little bit on you know, again,
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 8: the NCAA's investigation, because if Cincinnati knew that he was
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 8: gambling and didn't report it, like that could potentially be
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 8: grounds for Cincinnati to be in a lot of shouble,
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 8: potentially ruling him ineligible for the twenty twenty five season
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 8: and vacating some of those wins and punishing them. So, like,
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 8: there's a lot of different levels to this, depending on
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 8: what exactly the data is.
• 2:04:45
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• 2:05:10
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• 2:05:13
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  Speaker 2: for this. I didn't want to give you a chance
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: to get ready for it. That's how I do things
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: on this show. If you tuned in this weekend and
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 2: watched the Kentucky Derby and you saw even some of
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: the lead up to it, there was a lot of
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: conversation about not only the winning horse, but the fact
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 2: that Sherry Devau the first woman trainer to ever produce
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 2: a Kentucky Derby winner. They talked about the potential for
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: doing that, and she had some great quotes about how
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: she's glad she doesn't have to answer that question anymore.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: One of ten children, by the way, started her career
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 2: in horse racing twenty two years ago as an exercise
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: rider on thoroughbreds and built herself all the way up
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: into being for now, for this moment, the pre eminent
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 2: trainer of the most prestigious win in horse racing is
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: the Kentucky Derby, and her horse, Golden Tempo, went in
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 2: some of the most dramatic fashion we have ever seen
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: maybe the most dramatic fashion we've ever seen. There's plenty
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: of video out there of it. It is a true
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 2: last to first from all the way in the back
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 2: of the pack, golden tempo, busted around the outside, all
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 2: the way up to a Kentucky Derby victory. And this
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 2: is one of those like one off, sort of freakish
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: bucket list type events for me that hopefully someday we'll
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 2: have an opportunity to attend.
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 3: Who do we have on last week? Harry Douglas.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 2: Harry Douglas was when we talked to him last week,
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: was going to the Kentucky Derby this week?
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 3: Yester Louisville. Harry Douglas. Yeah, former Louisville player apparently.
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 2: Lived across the street from the racetrack and used to
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: charge people for parking on the lawn, which, by the way,
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: in his day would have been an NCAA violation. I
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 2: didn't want to bring that up when we had the
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 2: conversation with him, but not allowed to do that.
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 4: I know I was gonna say, I was gonna say,
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 4: was is he admitting to an nca AWAY violation? You
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 4: know what that means? Harry Douglas just doesn't care you're like,
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 4: what are you gonna do to? What do you do
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 4: me now about this? Oh, you don't have any eligibility. Okay,
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 4: I know that I did that already.
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 2: So Golden Tempo navigated past seventeen horses and charged down
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 2: the final stretch about one hundred thousand people watching at
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: Churchill Downs. The winning time it's a mile and a
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: quarter race is of course you knew James the winning time, Yeah,
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 2: two minutes and two point twenty seven seconds, which is,
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: interestingly enough, also my time to run a mile and
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 2: a quarter. Yeah, wow, that's that's a speak incredible time.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 2: This is something we put I put in the Daily
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 2: Dump last week, but we never got to. We had
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 2: the world marathon record broken last week. Yeah you saw that. Yeah,
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: and it wasn't one person who did it. Two guys
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: in the same race ran the fastest ever marathons. You
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 2: know how bad that sucks to be the guy who's
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 2: second place running a world record time.
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 4: You're never going to be remembered for your also world
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 4: record time if you hadn't have been second.
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 2: Broke the two hour barrier running twenty six point two
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 2: miles at like a four minute and thirty second I
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 2: think it's like four minutes and twenty seven second pace.
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 3: That's it. That's the average mile.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in order to put together the final time, it
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 2: was like four and a half minutes per mile for
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 2: twenty six miles.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 3: That's wow.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 4: I wonder what the fastest of the of the miles
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 4: were there anyway.
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if it's like a steady or if
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: one like you do a couple.
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 4: How many of those were under four?
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 3: I wonder.
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: Sebastian Sahway set the men's world record with one minute
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: fifty nine or sorry, one hour, fifty nine minutes and
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: thirty seconds April twenty sixth, twenty twenty six, the first
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 2: person in history to run a sub two hour marathon.
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 4: So the other guy was like just over two hours?
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 4: Is that what you're saying.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: I think he was actually also under two hours, if
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken, I gotta find I think he was.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 3: He was like one fifty nine to fifty seven or something.
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 3: So it was it was kind of a photo finish
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 3: for as marathons go.
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, just absolutely insane that someone could run that fast.
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 2: But yeah, the p previous record was from the twenty
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 2: twenty three Chicago marathon two hours and thirty five seconds,
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 2: so a.
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 3: Full minute faster.
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  Speaker 2: That's not an insignificant margin when you're running that fast.
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 3: That's a quarter mile anyway. Do you have.
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 2: How good is your Kentucky Derby history? You know, like Jay,
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 2: You're really good.
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 4: I know, like I know, like the the name you
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 4: know the most famous names.
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 3: I know what.
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 4: I know who Secretariat was?
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, can how many Kentucky Derby winners can you name?
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 3: Secretariat? You got one? Tariot Golden Tempo. Okay, two? Two?
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 4: I put my name on the top of the page.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 4: You got the bonus points there. Yeah, for the test Man.
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 3: I there were some.
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 4: There were some famous ones in the last like ten
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 4: or fifteen years that got like two thirds of the
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 4: Triple Crown but fell short. I'm blanking on their names
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 4: right now. Yeah, I if you you're gonna start reading
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 4: the list and be like, oh yeah, I knew that one.
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 4: But right now, at this very moment, I'm blanking.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 2: Let's see here, you can go back really far to
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 2: get the history here.
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 4: Did's sea Biscuit ever win the Kentucky Derby? I think
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 4: did Sea Biscuit win the Kentucky Derby? I don't you know,
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 4: I've never seen that movie. It might be the only one.
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 3: It's it's good.
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 2: I'm not seeing Sea Biscuit on the Kentucky Derby winners list. Okay,
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 2: so the Kentucky Derby was first run in eighteen seventy five.
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 4: There's one called hold On. There's one called what's the horse?
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 4: Is it War Admiral? Is that the name of the
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 4: horse or is it war memorial? War emblem? War emblem?
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 4: They he's a triple crown winner.
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 3: I know that.
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 4: Oh wait, yeah, man of War, man o War. Sorry
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 4: that a war.
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 2: Man o War dominated the nineteen twenties, only lost one
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 2: race in his entire career.
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man o War. That's that's what I was trying
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 4: to think of, something war at Okay, that.
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 2: Was Secretariat won the triple Crown. Sea Biscuit became a
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 2: symbol of hope during the Great Depression. But doesn't say
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 2: triple crown. Okay, citation triple Crown winner, first horse to
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 2: win a million dollars back in nineteen forty eight. Whoa
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 2: American pharaoh ended the thirty seven year triple crown drought
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen, Right, that.
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 4: Was American pharaoh. There you go. I don't think I
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 4: would have remembered the name, but I knew that there
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 4: was one. There was a there was a horse that
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 4: finally won the Triple Crown like ten years ago.
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 2: Uh, Justify then won and again in twenty eighteen. Okay,
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 2: and a triple crown means you win which three races?
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 2: It's Kentucky Derby, the Preakness, and the Bellmo and Belmont.
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 4: Okay, all right, I couldn't tell you where old. I
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 4: know Kentucky Derby's in Louisville. I couldn't tell you where
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 4: the Preakness and do Mon are one of them's in
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 4: New York State.
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 2: The first winner was Aristides in eighteen seventy five. Wow,
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 2: that was the horse. There's some really good names here.
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 2: There's one name ben Brush Just eighteen eighty nine, Spokane,
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 2: eighteen eighty eight. This is a great name. Macbeth two.
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 3: Macbeth two. Shakespeare never wrote Macbeth two.
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 2: As far as I know, Lord Murphy, that was actually
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 2: what my teammates called me in college.
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 3: They should have I should have made him call me
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 3: Lord Murphy. You won, you won the triple Crown. That's
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 3: just a a Kentucky Derby one.
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 2: Kentucky Derby nineteen eighteen, exterminator, great name, all right, nineteen
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 2: twenty four, black Gold. The following year flying ebony, so
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 2: black theme in those Yeah, nineteen thirty two, this is amazing?
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 3: How has?
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 2: How is the Burger chain never jumped on this? Nineteen
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 2: thirty two Kentucky Derby winner was named Burgo King, Burgo King,
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 2: b u r Goo King, Burger what year? Nineteen thirty two?
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: Burger King? You could make such a great commercial campaign
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 2: if you're Burger King with that around the Kentucky Derby.
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 4: Burger King the fast food restaurant not, at least according
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 4: to quick Google search, not founded until nineteen fifty four.
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 2: So did Burger King name themselves after Burgo King? They
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 2: might have bubbling over That's a good one. I love
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 2: when people name animals just regular human names, like you
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 2: meet a dog named Larry.
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 3: That's cool.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 2: I also love it when people name animals like a
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 2: very dignified name.
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 3: My old dog's name was mister President President. That's how
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 3: about this name.
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 2: Clyde van Douss was one of these horses, and douson
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 2: nineteen thirty one. It was twenty grand nineteen thirty seven.
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 2: The aforementioned war Admiral nineteen forty six, Assault, nineteen forty
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 2: seven Jet Pilot, all these.
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 4: All these, all these war themed ones in the mid forties.
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 4: What was going on in the world. Yeah, mid forties.
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 4: I don't know why there would be somebody who nineteen
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 4: fifty six, I would have been terrified of this horse.
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 4: The horse's name was Needles, my number one phobia. Needles
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 4: shout out to after, of course, the great the great
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 4: town on the Coretta River in California, Right, Needles, that's what.
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 3: You even know that existed?
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 2: Nineteen sixty four, Northern Dancer, nineteen sixty five, Lucky Debonair.
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 4: Northern Dancer is a fun one.
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 2: Nineteen seventy five, Foolish Pleasure, nineteen seventy seven, Seattle Slew. Okay,
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 2: it's like a Jim carry movie reference to Seattle Slough.
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 2: He's insulting a woman and he he makes a reference
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 2: to Seattle Slough. I can't remember the exact movie. Nineteen
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: eighty five, Spend a Buck. It's Liar, Liar, Liar, Liar.
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: It's from liar liar. Yeah, great Jim Carrey movie, two.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 3: Thousand and two. War Emblem, so Man a war War emblem.
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 2: They're all over the place, super saver in twenty ten,
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 2: twenty eleven, Animal Kingdom. That's another one, twenty twelve, I'll
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 2: have another. That's a great name twenty thirteen, not a
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 2: good name, orb Orb that's terrible twenty fifteen was American
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 2: Pharaoh twenty seventeen, Always Dreaming twenty nineteen.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 3: Country House.
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 2: I guarantee this was some kind of like inside joke
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 2: with the people who own the horse.
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 3: Honey, I bought you that country house. It bought the horse. Instead.
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 3: I promised you I would get you a country house.
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 2: And I did. What it's in the yard. Wait what
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 2: go outside? You did not buy me an RV. Go outside.
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 2: I bought you a country house. Look out the front
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 2: window and it's just this Kentucky Derby winning racehorse.
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 4: Now and then she's all she's an heavily really upset,
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 4: and he says, well, hold on, country house is going
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 4: to win you the actually the actual country house.
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's the plan. Okay, since twenty they ran. I
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 2: didn't know they ran the Kentucky Derby in twenty twenty. Okay,
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 2: COVID not not a risk to horses. Also, Kentucky so
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 2: authentic in twenty twenty, then Mandaloon, Rich Strike Mage, Mystic
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 2: Dan Sovereignty, and now Golden Tempo. Golden Tempo is the
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 2: son of famous race horse Curlin Curlin. I think Curlin
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 2: at one point failed to win the Kentucky Derby to
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 2: some surprise, What did you win American Horse of the
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 2: Year in two thousand and seven? In two thousand and eight,
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 2: Curlin curling?
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 3: Okay? Uh?
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 4: Dan Patrick had a wild stat of the day okay
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 4: earlier and of course you can hear that seven to
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 4: ten every morning here on ESPN seven hundred. He said,
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 4: there was like how many horses were in the field?
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 4: Want I don't want to get the night he it
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 4: was like a ridiculous number of horses they were in
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 4: this field are descendants of Secretariat, so like they're all
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 4: related to Secretariat somehow, which is like, how come how
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 4: come so many of you don't win? Then if you're
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 4: your second not just kidding, well, only one horse can win.
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 2: It's like Michael Jordan's kids are not great basketball players,
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 4: He also was mentioning Sports Century the ESPN show that
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 4: they that they made at the beginning of the around
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 4: two thousand rides they listed the best athletes of the
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 4: twentieth century. Secretariat was thirty fifth, and he was talking
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 4: about all the backlash they received from athletes to say,
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 4: you're really gonna rank a horse ahead of me. Well,
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 4: and he's like, that's not a horse. That's Secretary is
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 4: not just a horse. It is the horse. And they
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 4: are the athletes of their sport. Yeah, I'm glad they
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 4: gave it to the horse and not the jockey.
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine if you were like one of the
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 2: all time great NHL players and they're just like, this
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 2: jockey is ahead of you on the all time athletes.
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 3: It's the horse that's running. Yeah.
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 4: It's a no win situation putting ranking a horse or
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 4: horse racing someone involved in horse racing on that list.
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 4: But like I think I think you, like I said,
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 4: thirty fifth, I don't know. I think Secretariat was dominant
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 4: enough to be a top fifty athlete of the twentieth century.
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 3: So here, now that.
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 2: Your horse has won the Kentucky Derby, this is where
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 2: life as a trainer, as an owner of the horse,
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 2: you now have this cash well not cash cow, cash horse.
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah cat this case right, Because so Curlin, the father
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 2: of Golden Tempo. The breeding fee for the twenty twenty
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 2: six season. If you want Curlin to father a horse
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 2: baby for you, for you, yeah, two hundred and twenty
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 2: five thousand dollars just for the attempt. Oh my gosh,
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 2: that's the breeding fee. Two and twenty five grand. Ask
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 2: me how many times Curlin has been paid between one
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 2: hundred and two hundred and twenty five thousand dollars.
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 3: For stud fees.
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, let's see remember two thousand and seven, two thousand
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 2: and eight Horse of the Year. So been in the
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 2: breeding business for a long time, been in the breeding
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 2: business for going on twenty years.
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 4: Is it in the hundreds or is it in the
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 4: thousands or am I way too high?
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 2: It's between six and eight hundred times. Oh my gosh,
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 2: that is bananas. That's a lucrative two hundred grand a pop.
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 2: It's a lucrative business.
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 3: Let's go and now, Golden Tempo.
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 2: You could just be like, oh, yeah, we won the
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 2: Kentucky Derby two hundred and fifty grand.
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 4: Actually, you know what, we're gonna make it five hundred
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 4: grand inflation. Baby, it's twenty twenty six, not two thousand
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 4: and eight.
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 2: Nineteen of twenty horses direct descendants of Secretary nineteen twenty.
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 2: That's what it was, according to Kevin on the old
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 2: Tweet Machine nineteen of twenty and Golden Tempo, I'm assuming
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 2: is one of those. Maybe he was the one what
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 2: it was?
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 3: What if.
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 2: I think I think Curlin is a descendant of Okay,
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 2: so I am, by the way I am now today
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 2: gonna go down this rabbit hole of horse lineage because
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 2: we found this out and it's gonna take three hours
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 2: of my day.
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 4: You're gonna have You're gonna you're gonna map out Secretariat's
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 4: family tree on your living room wall.
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be the biggest waste of time.
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be like, I'm getting into horse racing and
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 2: then I've, of course don't have the means to do that.
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 4: Hold on, you said, you said what a few weeks ago,
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 4: forty millions your number for your dream. Not anymore now
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 4: it's like three hundred million is forty million?
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 2: That only buys me like like my Mayor's like four
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 2: visits with these these big time horses. It's crazy, dude.
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 2: All right, we got golfs to give away. We'll close
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 2: things out next. It's Spence around today, because I bet
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 2: Spence has been to some of these horse races. He's okay,
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 2: we're gonna we're giving a little cross talk with Spence.
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 2: I wonder how many of these thoroughbred races Spence has
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 2: been too.
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 4: Next, and then you need to tell him tomorrow you
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 4: need to wear one of the hats that you've worn
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 4: to one of these races.
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 2: Yes By the way, got back to the Salt Lake
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  Speaker 2: to my car. There was a woman who had a
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  Speaker 2: Kentucky Derby hat in a clear plastic bag. She was
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  Speaker 2: obviously returning from the Derby, probably about like my mom's age.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted desperately to ask her how the experience was,
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  Speaker 3: Spence, checkets and the driver up next.
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  Speaker 9: Hi, Spence, I was listening to you read off the
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  Speaker 9: names of horses who have won the Kentucky Derby coming in.
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  Speaker 2: A wonderful first world problem to have h What am
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  Speaker 2: I naming my boat and painting on the back pretentiously?
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  Speaker 2: And what am I naming my racehorse?
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  Speaker 9: For sure made me think because you referenced one of
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  Speaker 9: the horses was loosely connected to a nickname of yours
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  Speaker 9: in college.
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  Speaker 3: What was that something? Lord Murphy? Lord Murphy, why is
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  Speaker 3: that your nickname?
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  Speaker 2: No, people, you've heard the Murphy story, but just throw
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  Speaker 2: a lord in front of it.
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  Speaker 3: Make it a race horse? Really cool? Have I heard
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  Speaker 3: the Murphy story? Everyone's heard the Murphy I don't know
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  Speaker 3: that I've heard the Murphy story. Well, we'll have to
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  Speaker 3: save it for another day. It's concerning you and what dynamic.
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  Speaker 2: It's just people call me Murphy like to this day,
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 2: I all of my college football friends call me Murph
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  Speaker 2: or Murphy. I've never heard that once that's that's like
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  Speaker 2: rich eyes of not knowing what a gentleman's sweep is.
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  Speaker 3: That's not Spence.
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  Speaker 4: If you listen closely to the next time we have
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  Speaker 4: Eric Weddle on the show, he subtly drops some murf.
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 4: Not every interview, but every once in a while he's like,
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  Speaker 4: well you know what, Murph, and I'm like, he just
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 4: did it.
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  Speaker 3: They do it all the time. Huh. Well, at some
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 3: point I'd like to know that backstory.
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  Speaker 2: That tells you how much Spence actually has listened to
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  Speaker 2: my show over the years.
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  Speaker 3: I listened to deeply offended. I'm sorry to break this
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  Speaker 3: one to you.
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  Speaker 9: For a while, I was on a different station doing
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  Speaker 9: a show when you were also doing a show, so
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  Speaker 9: I didn't have to listen to you.
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  Speaker 3: In those days. Wow, in an imaginary sense, listened during
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  Speaker 3: your breaks. You turn to the state, you turn into
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  Speaker 3: my show. I put one, I put one headphone in
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  Speaker 3: with you. No, that's very dedicated. Did you have any
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  Speaker 3: other nicknames as a kid high school?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 3: Not really.
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  Speaker 2: I mean people you can tell when I became friends
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 2: with people by how they like identify me, like what
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  Speaker 2: they call me. Anyone from high school or before. Nobody
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  Speaker 2: calls me Sean. It's OC to all those people. And
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 2: if you've listened to my radio career, most of those
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 2: people who only know me from radio call me OC. Yeah,
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 2: if you know me from college ball, it was Murph.
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  Speaker 2: That's very specific. And then in the fight world that's
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 2: when I actually went by my real name for.
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  Speaker 3: The most part.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, well, I guess the obvious answer the question is,
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 9: you do have an aggressive nickname.
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  Speaker 3: It's O C. Who most people know you as. I guess. Yeah, See,
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  Speaker 3: the nickname things was weird.
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  Speaker 9: I had some interesting ones when I was younger that
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 9: had double ramifications and like double meanings like weirdly well, like,
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  Speaker 9: for instance, my very LDS grandfather, Mission President Temple Stealer,
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  Speaker 9: nicknamed me Doobie when I was like two, and no, like,
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  Speaker 9: there's no way he knew what he was doing. And
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  Speaker 9: I didn't really know anything about it until fifteen years
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  Speaker 9: old high school, Connecticut, Like, hey, well, I.
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  Speaker 3: Can't say no, it's my nickname, right, aggressively lived up
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  Speaker 3: to the nickname for a few years. Oh yeah, yeah,
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 3: you know, you dabble here there when you're trying to
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  Speaker 3: figure out life.
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  Speaker 9: Now, let's pass on grass kids, just say No. My
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  Speaker 9: other nickname when I was younger was Speedo because I
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 9: was fast. But then it's also like a term for
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 9: a really scantily clad male swimsuit. Like I've always had
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 9: this really weird like nickname situation where I get a
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  Speaker 9: nickname like, oh, okay, that's pretty cool. Wait a second,
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 9: that guy looks like he's wearing underwear. Oh that's pretty cool.
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 9: Way that guy's clearly using marijuana. Like a weird historical
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  Speaker 9: nickname situation over here.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, if you were naming a race horse, but it
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  Speaker 2: had to be one of those nicknames, would you call
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  Speaker 2: it Dooby or Speedo?
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  Speaker 9: Speedo? You have to call it speedo. Naturally, you're setting
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  Speaker 9: a horse up for failure if you call him Dooby.
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  Speaker 9: At least you know, encourage him to be fast. Do
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  Speaker 9: you watch the Kentucky Derby?
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  Speaker 6: Like?
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  Speaker 2: Are you?
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 3: Are you dialed into this stuff?
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 2: I would have watched the Kentucky Derby where I'm not traveling,
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  Speaker 2: like that's I love those kind of one off yearly
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  Speaker 2: sporting events. Yeah, and the coverage is six hours long,
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 2: but the race itself is two minutes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, watch it. It's cool. Have you ever
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 3: attended the event?
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  Speaker 2: No, that the pageantry and whatnot would be I would
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  Speaker 2: love that very much. I get to go to Wimbledon
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  Speaker 2: this year, and I'm so excited for that because you know,
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 2: like you get to pretend you're you belong in those
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  Speaker 2: social circles for ten minutes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, heck you. I've never been.
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  Speaker 9: I'm undecided about whether or not because I've got I
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 9: think two friends of mine went this year and their
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  Speaker 9: wives are posting pictures of the hats and the things,
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  Speaker 9: and they look miserable, and they're dressed up too, with
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  Speaker 9: their hats and their thing like suits. The pictures are
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  Speaker 9: pretty funny because the women are living it up and
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  Speaker 9: my two buddies are like, I can't believe I'm wearing
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  Speaker 9: this damn hat, Like that's the look on their face.
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  Speaker 2: I've been to horse races, not at any prestigious place,
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  Speaker 2: and there's actually like a kind of like seedy, scary
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 2: vibe at the race track sometimes with the guy like
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  Speaker 2: the desperate betters and their slips and the yea that's
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 2: this one secretly paid and someone dropping on the ground. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but like I imagine at Churchill Downs, you don't get
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  Speaker 2: a lot of that.
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  Speaker 9: Probably not one more random question for you before I
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  Speaker 9: said you, Lise, I was thinking about this earlier today
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  Speaker 9: and you might have to think about it and we'll
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 9: readdress tomorrow. Where's the most random place or what's the
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  Speaker 9: most random contextualized situation where you've seen a relatively attractive woman.
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 9: I'm gonna tell you. I'm asking you the question. Okay,
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  Speaker 9: there's a UPS driver in my neighborhood and she's like
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 9: a seven and a half at least.
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 3: It's weird. You're like, drive by, get out, deliver the package.
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  Speaker 9: I'm like, that's a really attractive, like thirty two year
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 9: old woman just delivering packages every day.
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  Speaker 3: And you don't think of that when you think of
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  Speaker 3: UPS driver.
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  Speaker 9: No, I think of fifty five year old males trying
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  Speaker 9: to get their pensions so they can retire. I don't
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  Speaker 9: think of thirty two year old like relatively attractive women.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, well I can tell you my answer. Now.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about like unexpected Yeah, why are you here?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like a transient crossing the street or something.
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  Speaker 2: And uh and this I'm not saying this to be
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 2: pretentious of a travel flex but legitimately I was in
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 2: the heart of Chobay National Park in Botswana, like in
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 2: the middle of no Imagine you're camping at Yellowstone and
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 2: there's not a lot of people around, and then you
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 2: see like Heidi Klum. Huh it was this I believe
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 2: she was Ethiopian. It was this tall, like international model
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 2: looking person. She there was something to her. She must
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  Speaker 2: have been because there was like a lot of people
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 2: moving around her. It was kind of like but she
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 2: was on a safari. Yeah, And we were in like
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 2: the jeep. And this was before I went on any
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 2: cool so far. This was like the two hundred dollars
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 2: like maybe like I maybe had that much in my
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 2: bank account, just like scraping too. And you drive it,
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 2: you drive up in the truck. It's equal opportunity, right,
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 2: You're all out there and we're in this like rickety
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 2: old land rover and she's in the fancy one where
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 2: they probably flew her in.
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  Speaker 3: And I was just like, what the heck is that?
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 3: Like who's that woman?
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 2: And we were all just kind of laughing as we
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 2: drove away. Yeah that I'm gonna remember that until the
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 2: day I died, and I.
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  Speaker 3: Still remember it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: It's uh, it's just it's a really like stark, like
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 9: stop you in your tracks situation where you just don't
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 9: expect and you're like, wait, okay, and I'm not diminishing
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 9: being a UPS driver. Like I said, they get pensions,
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 9: so good for them, and you do it for like
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 9: twenty twenty five years and retire.
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  Speaker 2: Also, if you go to Sweden, sure you walk in
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 2: and every person male female is just much better looking
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 2: than they have any business being.
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 3: And you're like, what the heck? Yeah, all the guys
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 3: are six four.
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you go like the person bagging your groceries looks
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 2: like a professional athlete looks like a model.
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  Speaker 9: Yet what I have never been to Scandinavia. That's a
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 9: bucket list for me. I'd like to go. It's yeah,
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 9: they have awesome baklaba shakes.
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 2: You got to wear like lifts in your shoes when
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 2: you go because you feel short.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, well, bucket list, bucket list, Murph, you.
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  Speaker 10: Can't call me that, oh man? Okay, fine, only people
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  Speaker 10: I played, but sorry, fine, I won't ever again. Okay, Murphy, do.
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  Speaker 2: Be your spino. We'll go back and forth. Stay tuned
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  Speaker 2: for the drive. It's The Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN seven
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  Speaker 2: hundred ninety two.
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  Speaker 3: NFM,