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Sister Wives S6 E11 - Sister Wives Tell All · My Sister Wives Podcast

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  What does the nanny do? OK, so we're done.
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  Goodbye. You shut it off.
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  Do not twist my words. Do not make me a victim,
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  sweetie. Just look at the mountain.
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  That's what you saw. That day, just the knife in the
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  kidneys over all these years and
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  love you. Are you ready for the Browns to
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  tell you all? So ready.
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  Well, actually, are you a little
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  to tell you very little? I think that's more the
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  direction that we're going to end up on our Season 6 episode
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  11, Sister Wives Tell all rewatch.
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  Oh, tell all in the middle of the season.
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  Isn't that interesting? Kind of going off of what we
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  thought where maybe the season
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  other episode and now there's a tell all in the middle.
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  Yeah, I was thinking about how
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  talking about the wrap up footage of them climbing up the
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  hillside and the RC for TLC trash TV shots and whatever, and
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  how it was looking like it was
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  season. And there's a few things that
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  happened throughout the episode that I'm like, Oh yeah.
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  Oh yeah. I think it backs up your
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  conspiracy theory, but maybe we'll never know.
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  One of those TLC mysteries. They just got re upped for a few
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  episodes and TLC said let's make
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  few more episodes. Get what we can out of these
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  people's crazy lives, damn. Mildly crazy, that's for sure.
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  Tell all debatable. Debatable, as per usual with
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  them. The episode starts with a
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  voiceover from Tamron Hall. This is the first time we're
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  meeting Tamron Hall on this show.
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  I'm not familiar with what she
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  felt like I recognized her and I
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  recognized her from things she's
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  So Tamron Hall has a talk show
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  many seasons she does the Tell
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  We'll discover that through our RE watches.
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  But the one thing that's happened as of recent was Meri,
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  Meri, Meri quite contrary. Brown went on the Tamron Hall
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  show in the last year or something to plug who knows
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  whatever she was plugging, probably her non existent self
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  help company or something. I don't really remember.
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  Maybe it was just for the last
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  And I think there was some sort of, I don't know if they were
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  really clear, but gave us some
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  of got her fired because he didn't like the way that the
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  interviews were going. And this one's pretty light
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  hitting. I'm not going to say that they
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  get hard hitting, but at some point they become even less
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  favorable to him. And with production changes,
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  that puddle monkey, I mean, right now for sure, they don't
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  have the producers they had when
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  started, the reason that Kody and Robyn get such great edits
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  is because they were friends with the creator of the show and
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  the producer. And when that changed, their
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  edits changed and I think Kody, this was probably one of the
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  last things that Kody was able
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  doing their tell alls. While Tamron started her career
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  in the 90s, she spent a decade
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  Morning News in Chicago, starting in 1997.
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  Then she joined MSNBC and NBC News in 2007 and hosted programs
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  like MSNBC Live and Co hosted the third hour of the Today
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  show, Today's Take and she was
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  anchor the weekday Today show.
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  So she got started before the Browns doing.
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  Other thing, and that's where I think they recognize her is
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  from. MSNBCI think that's probably
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  where I recognize her from. Yeah.
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  So it makes sense that they would start trying to branch her
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  out into other things and doing this, maybe this was like a
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  segue to her getting her own show is what it sounds like from
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  reading her history. So kind of, I think that happens
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  with a lot of people that do these interview things for like
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  random shows and they end up getting their own talk show out
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  of it eventually. It does seem like a natural
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  stepping stone. Yeah.
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  Hosting these types of things to
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  Yeah. But I did see Meri on Tamron
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  Hall show, and just like everything Meri does, she gave
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  us very little. It was very uninteresting.
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  But of course I watched it because I'm a deadbeat loser who
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  watches Sister Wife, so you know.
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  Well, you know. When we get our first shot of
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  the family with Tamron Hall, we have two couches and Tamron's
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  in the middle. Very traditional, you know, tell
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  all set up. We have Robyn, Kody and Janelle
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  on the left couch and then Tamron in the middle and then
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  Christine and Meri on the right couch.
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  I thought Meri looked pretty good.
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  Janelle had a lot of makeup or
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  she had an early teenager do her
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  I don't know. Do you?
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  What did you think? Of I felt like she had a stylist
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  do her hair and makeup that didn't know how to deal with
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  aging skin. That makes sense.
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  It was very thick, heavy makeup for somebody that is, you know,
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  showing early signs of aging and
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  She did look really pretty. Like she tried.
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  She asked for help and she tried, and I thought she looked
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  pretty. You could have ran your fingers
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  through those curls a few times and liven them up, but that's
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  for sure. I thought she looked good.
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  I did notice that they tried to coordinate outfits of it.
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  So Janelle and Robyn were wearing this orangey coral
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  color, more on the orange side.
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  And then Christine was wearing under her like darker blazer
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  thing. She was wearing a coral orange
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  this time and they're not just sitting there in socks or
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  they're naked hooves. So yeah.
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  Oh God, Janelle's puggy pig toes weren't out.
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  No, we didn't have to see any piggy piggy tixies.
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  Yeah, Janelle's look reminded me of a teenage girl who's going to
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  hair, and all of a sudden they're done up.
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  And it's like, oh, man, if you had done this a few more times,
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  you would have, you know, figured out some of these
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  things. It was just odd.
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  And it's so Janelle, I I don't want to pick on her.
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  It was just every time she was on camera, I was like, Oh my
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  God, girl. Like, or a drag queen who's
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  doing their first performance and it's like, oh, she ain't
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  figured it out yet, you know, like, oh God.
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  If Mckelty or Maddie had done her makeup it would make sense
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  with skin types as you get older, putting on too much
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  foundation actually is does the opposite of what you want it to
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  do. It doesn't make you look
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  youthful, it makes you look dry and cakey.
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  So. And Christine was looking a
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  little formal ish. I don't, I never know what
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  Christine's doing with her fashions, obviously.
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  I mean, she's kind of a mess and it's like she's trying.
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  And I felt like she was going to a boardroom meeting or something
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  the orangish theme of the other two, and Meri was wearing her
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  Fidelis necklace. Oh, I didn't catch that, but I
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  That's funny. I didn't notice Christine
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  wearing hers, which is funny 'cause we she's the one that
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  hated it. I know.
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  And when I first saw it, I thought, Oh my gosh, Christine,
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  what are you doing? And then I thought, well, maybe
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  she's trying to save face or make it look like, oh, I didn't
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  actually hate it and I'd love my husband like, oh God.
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  Yeah, Meri wearing hers. And then of course she had a
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  long layered necklace over it. Very of the times with the
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  layering, the necklaces. OK.
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  As they do on this show very frequently, the Clinkity
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  Clinkity jewelry. And one more thing about how
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  they're sitting is just as a viewer, with Robyn being on the
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  far left, there's something about, well, first of all, when
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  they're doing a full shot, as we know, with camera angles or
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  with using a lens that captures more, the sides get
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  stretched a little more. And that's the unfortunate thing
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  couch and they put her at the end and it's like, oh, she's
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  getting the widest part of the lens, I guess.
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  Yeah, yes, yeah. Very muted version of that.
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  And this time, Robyn being on the far left when they were
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  doing the full shot of everybody, it's like her jaw was
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  Is it was it was very square and exaggerated.
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  And then when they would do the three on the left, when they
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  would do Robyn, Kody, Janelle, there was something with the
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  camera where they weren't quite focused.
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  So that was distracting to me because it would be a little
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  blurry. And I'm like, oh God, why didn't
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  photography's job. There's someone on set that
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  needed to be making sure it was unfocused.
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  It wasn't. So we didn't get a lot of their
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  full couch, but then when they would do close-ups of either
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  Robyn or Kody, where the camera was from and the way she would
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  Bravo. It was distracting to me.
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  I would just be like, Oh my God, Robyn, your fucking jaw.
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  Well, one thing that they did during this tell all which I
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  appreciated was when they were doing the flashback clips, and
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  camera angle of them on the couch now watching the clip as
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  And every time that Robyn was in that, that little lower square,
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  her square jaw was just matching up with the square of
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  her square. It was insane looking.
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  It really, really made me realize how square her face is
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  some sort of way, you can't look some sort of way if you don't
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  already look some sort of way to begin with.
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  So. Girl, if I trust me, I know it
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  Right. Oh my God.
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  So Tamron gets this 11th episode of season 6.
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  Sister Wives Tell All started by asking Kody the first question,
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  asking him why was it so important for you to move out of
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  Such a hard hitting first question from Tamron.
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  I just couldn't even believe she started out this hard hitting.
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  best. Yes.
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  And Kody basically says so that they could be functioning as a
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  about the Christmases that they could have, etcetera, etcetera,
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  which opens the door for Tamron to say, well, yes, you had a
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  goal to be in the homes by Christmas and everyone was in
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  their homes for Christmas except for one.
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  Let's take a look. And I'm going to try to do let's
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  And I love the. Let's take a look.
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  Well, first, Kody does say in response to her that it gives
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  them a sense of unity to be in their new homes in the
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  cul-de-sac. And we act right.
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  Oh, they act right. We act right, We act more like a
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  And I thought it was a really weird choice of words.
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  As per usual, we act right. Isn't that odd?
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  It's kind of a telling way to describe how your daily family
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  Almost reminds me of out of sight, out of mind, you know?
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  But what is it that you're doing right?
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  Right. Almost feels like a correction.
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  Yeah.
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  And so it's like, what were you doing wrong?
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  It just reminds me of a mom yelling at their kid.
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  You better act right when we're here.
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  Yeah, it was bizarre. Yeah.
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  It's not language like, oh, we
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  or we are, Yeah. It felt like a parent scalding
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  their child that they need to act right in public.
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  Oh, and the flashbacks. And so for this first flashback,
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  we get Mona telling everyone about their Closings, getting
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  their keys, etcetera, and Meri
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  scene. And oh God.
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  And you're right, there's like
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  So we get to see some of their
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  I didn't really pay too much attention to their reactions
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  because they're usually just watching the monitor and I
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  don't. Know there was a few that were
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  telling Meri is crying in the flashback and of course she's
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  crying on the little photo of her watching the flashback.
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  So crying on crying on crying here.
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  Very on brand for Meri, yeah? Tamron asks if the most
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  upsetting part was Leon's experience.
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  Oh God, I know. And Meri agrees.
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  She says yes, Christmas was so
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  moving off to college next year,
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  We've all heard it all before.
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  over the head with shit that they've already heard 17,000
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  times. You guys are going to try to get
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  through this quickly, but we say
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  doesn't happen. So we're going to try to just
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  move through this. You've heard it all before,
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  don't stop listening. You've heard it all before.
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  Kody says here it felt like destiny getting into the home.
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  I love that he was bringing Robyn's tagline into it.
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  They do a lot of this during during the tell all here where
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  Tamron will ask a question and
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  them will give an answer where
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  actually answering the question,
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  a question in their head that they wish was asked.
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  Or maybe they're cutting bits and pieces out and it doesn't
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  really flow intuitively for the viewer.
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  Because we get clips like this
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  and yes, it was so important for
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  And then Kody, they show him and
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  getting into the homes. OK.
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  It did feel like destiny. Disjointedness.
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  Christine says it's been so good
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  this is where I noticed her necklace from Kody and I was
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  like Oh my God, Oh my God. Tamron asks Meri about bumps in
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  the road living close together
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  have being such close neighbors.
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  They're in such close quarters Again.
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  Tamron points to Meri with this question and how Meri had
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  brought up the potential for jealousy in being in these close
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  being so close to each other. And we get a lot of
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  defensiveness from this question, a lot of it.
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  Meri says. The issues I could see is the
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  four of us being so aware of each other and aware of each of
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  us with Kody. We didn't see each other with
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  Kody while we were in the rentals and now we can see Kody
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  going from house to house. So what I love is this idea of
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  back, blah, blah, blah. When they have this reference of
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  you sitting in your what Christine has is the library.
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  Meri has is her dining room slash packing room for her
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  online sales. There's only really one room
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  that faces the front of the house with windows on the 1st
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  floor. So it's like, are you just
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  pacing looking out your front window even though the majority
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  of your living space faces back?
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  It's very bizarre. Y'all need to have some
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  self-control. It's weird.
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  They look around at each other
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  one saying that. Well, now we, it's in our faces.
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  It's right up in our faces whose
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  he's there. And we just know he's in the
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  vicinity. We know he's in one of those
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  homes right around us, but he's not with us.
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  And Tamron says, well, yeah, it's possible that this would
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  bring up some emotions, jealousy
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  And Meri's, I'm just saying, she
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  I'm just saying. I'm just saying, I'm just
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  saying, and Tamron goes, you're not just saying no, trying to
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  call her out. Well, there's a reason you're
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  bringing this up. So obviously there's some
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  jealousy. There's something going on and
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  they have to try to spin it to
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  off of Meri's ass here. So they talk about how combined
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  between all of them, they have
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  So they've got a lot of experience and they know how to
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  work through these things and they can figure it out.
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  Yeah, During this back and forth, Kody shares an example of
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  taking out someone's garbage and
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  took out someone's garbage and
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  And Robyn makes a crack about him taking out the garbage.
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  Like, oh, you take out the garbage?
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  Which I thought was kind of funny because it's totally like
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  a wife being like, you take out the garbage.
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  And then I was also disgusted because I'm like, yeah, I'm
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  imagining being a husband of four wives.
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  He probably doesn't take out their garbage because he's Kody
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  as well. Like he's just that guy that
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  probably wouldn't. I'm a pussy fucking homosexual
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  and I take out the fucking garbage.
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  I do not get that. It grosses me out.
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  And then I'm thinking about how he has four homes where he
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  doesn't take out the garbage. And I'm like, you're so gross.
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  I'm just imagining all four wives taking out their cans,
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  bringing them back in. Or, you know, when they have
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  teenagers having the kids do. It I was going to say this is
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  probably one of those things where he feels it's the
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  children's responsibility. Yeah.
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  And he probably feels like as a dad with that many children, he
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  should never have to take the trash out.
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  Yeah. It's that built in labor I.
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  Mean that I was not that old before I started having to take
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  the cans out at my parents' house.
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  So I get it now. I'm going.
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  OK, Christy, you were reading too much into it.
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  But I was just thinking about the idea of all these people
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  taking out their own trash and
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  his legs up being like, whatever, I'm Kody, I have a
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  pretend job. You're.
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  Right. I thought that if anything, he's
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  taking out Robyn's trash. Yeah, and just hers.
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  Right. And so conveniently, she gets to
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  make a crack about it, like, oh,
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  And it's like he probably actually does at your house and
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  nobody else's. Yeah, Christine makes a joke
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  about how she saw him pulling weeds in somebody's yard the
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  other day, and he doesn't pull
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  And I was thinking so metaphorically here.
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  Yeah, he's pulling the weeds, like pulling the shit out and
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  working through problems with one marriage, but not pulling
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  the weeds in another garden. And all these weeds are
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  festering in your guys's gardens
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  and growing flowers. There's weeds growing up in
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  yours. Like, I just couldn't not think.
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  Wow. That is so metaphorically
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  accurate for what is truly happening behind the scenes
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  right now with you guys. You your mind is not in the
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  gutter like mine, 'cause when you started talking about the
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  wedding I was like, OK, I thought we were going to talk
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  about some genitalia, but then
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  Little bit of that too. You know, you know, but, but
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  that totally makes sense. When Kody made that crack about
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  65 years of combined marriage,
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  how long they had been married
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  years. And he was grinning like he was
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  so clever and it was the funniest thing that anyone's
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  ever said. And I puked in my mouth and had
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  to swallow it, it was so gross.
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  Well, Tamron kind of called him out for that.
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  Oh, because you just know all of the, she doesn't say all of the
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  stats, but kind of like you just know all of the things
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  about your marriages, like all of the anniversaries and all the
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  dates and you would know that you have 65 combined years.
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  She kind of cracks at him for that.
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  She also says that that's telling her jealousy may be an
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  but she's got to bring it back up.
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  And that's where Christine says I'm a tracker.
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  Where's Kody? He hasn't been here.
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  I haven't seen him for a few days.
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  Where is he? Yes, absolutely.
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  That has come up. And this is the thing about
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  Christine is she's telling us already that Kody, you know,
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  they were in the rentals and, you know, we kind of gave a
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  well, we didn't, but you could see how someone would give some
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  flexibility on the, you know, you're not going to spend your
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  blatant. And so for Christine to be in
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  the cul-de-sac and saying haven't seen him for a few days.
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  I mean, what is he not allowed
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  days? I don't think that's true.
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  Is it the benefit that he can just stroll next door?
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  Does he have to wait three days 'cause he's like, oh, I've got
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  my rotation? Like, I don't believe it.
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  She says that she knows he's somewhere on the property and if
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  she hasn't seen him for a couple
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  somewhere else on the property.
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  She uses the property the. Property, which I love because
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  It is because it is definitely four different properties, but
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  one of those underground electric fences and Kody has
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  like an air tag tracker or an electric probe in his shoes or
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  something. Oh my God.
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  After Christine talks about where Kody is, they joke about
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  the only one that feels that way, which I thought was an
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  interesting Colonel because she brings it up.
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  I'm assuming this means my assumption would be Meri.
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  I don't know that Janelle. I mean, maybe Janelle just
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  agrees with her. Like, yeah, there are times
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  where I don't know where Kody is.
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  I don't see him for days. But I don't think it bothers
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  Janelle in the same way. In Christine's book, she
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  mentions about when they were in the rentals, how it wasn't super
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  But then you would drive by and see his car at Robyn's
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  repeatedly. And she would be trying to tell
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  Meri and Janelle that he's there all the time, but they
• 23:23
  didn't believe her because it wasn't in their faces.
• 23:26
  Yeah. And so now she's hoping that
• 23:30
  they're noticing. And she says in her book that it
• 23:41
  knew. But now watching this back, it's
• 23:47
  about it. And she's trying to call it out
• 23:50
  during, you know, the real time moment.
• 23:53
  She's trying to say hey, and she's trying to put it on Meri
• 24:00
  Like, hey, hey, they notice it too, but I don't think they
• 24:04
  really do. I think she's hoping they do.
• 24:06
  And I think she's probably been behind the scenes pointing it
• 24:09
  out to them like she says she did in her book.
• 24:13
  But they're they're burying their heads in the sand still.
• 24:24
  She's disconnected from the family for her own reasons.
• 24:26
  And we'll actually address that even more in this episode where
• 24:29
  she's doing her own thing. Who knows?
• 24:32
  Who knows? And Janelle's a fiercely
• 24:35
  independent bitch who's doing her own thing and probably just
• 24:38
  only cares to see Kody every once in a while so she can, you
• 24:42
  know, get her Kody time. And then there's Robyn, and he's
• 24:47
  being like, where the Hell's my husband, you know?
• 24:49
  And marriages go through different points in time where
• 24:57
  And it would make sense that at any point in time, each marriage
• 25:07
  relationship. But Christina's obviously
• 25:09
  looking for something that she is not getting right now, where
• 25:14
  I think that Meri is in a platonic place with him or a
• 25:19
  friendship place, if even that. And Janelle is in a platonic
• 25:23
  place, definitely friendship place with him.
• 25:25
  So she's not looking for any different type of connection.
• 25:28
  She's not wanting for anything. Robyn is in the romantic part of
• 25:35
  wishes that she was still in the romantic phase because, you
• 25:39
  know, she's our little Princess. She wants a fairy tale.
• 25:41
  And since they're not on the same page, this is just all so
• 25:53
  little Princess. I'm like, oh, are we taking
• 25:55
  ownership of Christine now? Our little Princess, our little.
• 25:59
  So I'm like, oh God, I don't want to be a part of that
• 26:03
  Kingdom. Chris is like, just call me
• 26:04
  daddy. Just.
• 26:05
  Call me Daddy, Christine. I'm here to take care of you.
• 26:09
  Baby Kody also highlights that
• 26:13
  together. So day in and day out are very
• 26:16
  different for them. And I was just L0L, 0L in
• 26:19
  because I'm going, Oh yeah, you're a huge enterprise, my
• 26:23
  sister wife's closet that you have what, a meeting once a week
• 26:26
  or every other week and nobody
• 26:29
  Yeah, he says that the the other
• 26:34
  You know, we're in a business together now.
• 26:38
  Yeah, OK, a lot. Has changed for them.
• 26:40
  The dynamics have changed because you are in a business
• 26:44
  together, so now you have to be business minded with all of
• 26:46
  your wives and not just Janelle.
• 26:50
  Totally. This man.
• 26:51
  Then they were going to show us a flashback to a meaningless
• 26:55
  meeting of the My Sister Wives closet, flashback to being at
• 27:01
  Meri's table in the Rentals I believe, and we have to talk
• 27:09
  about the BBP. Oh, the BBP.
• 27:13
  The big boy panties comment. Yeah, that flashback was when
• 27:16
  Robyn told Kody to put on his big boy panties about something
• 27:20
  and I had never heard BBP before.
• 27:22
  This is first for me because Janelle tells us that it became
• 27:26
  a joke at home and with production after this little
• 27:29
  sound bite became a thing. Big boy panties.
• 27:32
  Yeah, They turned it into this little acronym.
• 27:35
  Is that what you call it? Production would crack jokes on
• 27:40
  set about it, and they crack jokes about it now, and it's
• 27:44
  become a thing. And there's no reason out of all
• 27:53
  than the fact that they think it's cute and they're trying to
• 27:56
  make something out of it for the viewers.
• 27:58
  They're trying to make fetch happen.
• 28:00
  Yeah, I don't know that we'll ever hear BBP again.
• 28:03
  No, Tamron asks Kody if he owns big boy panties and if he's
• 28:08
  embraced them. Embraced the big boy panties.
• 28:11
  Kody, of course, is like, yeah, nothing more to say.
• 28:15
  Yes. Moving on.
• 28:17
  God. So Tamron Hall Tees up that they
• 28:25
  how Kody is with his wives, that he is accommodating with
• 28:28
  Meri, that he is matter of fact with Janelle, that he is
• 28:32
  jovial with Christine, and that he and Robyn are like
• 28:35
  newlyweds. And so Tamron asks, a show of
• 28:38
  hands. How many people think Danny is
• 28:40
  wrong? No one raises.
• 28:43
  Nobody. Nobody.
• 28:45
  Bueller. Bueller.
• 28:48
  I love when someone says show of
• 28:51
  their hands. I love whatever scenario it is.
• 28:53
  It doesn't even matter what it
• 28:54
  I'm just like, how fulfilling,
• 28:57
  Positive or negative, it's always kind of an awkward
• 29:00
  moment. We hear from Meri here that she
• 29:04
  did not like this accommodating comment.
• 29:09
  They believe that Danny knows them very well after working
• 29:12
  with them closely for as long as
• 29:16
  like the accommodating part of
• 29:20
  Well, she feels that she's more honest and loving with Kody and
• 29:24
  that's that's what should really
• 29:27
  loving. Yeah.
• 29:29
  At the end of the day, he is accommodating to her and she has
• 29:32
  to know that whether she's in denial about it or not, it is
• 29:34
  what it is. She says that she doesn't want
• 29:36
  Kody to feel that way, that he
• 29:39
  accommodating. He can be honest with her.
• 29:42
  She's honest with him. Yeah, he doesn't have to be
• 29:45
  accommodating for her. I don't want him to feel that
• 29:47
  way, bitch. Yes you do.
• 29:50
  Because if he wasn't then it would be a big fight every
• 29:52
  single time. Just like when you were in the
• 29:55
  process of picking out your fucking tile and you had to
• 29:58
  bring Robyn in to mediate for you guys.
• 30:00
  You know, like that would be happening every day if he just
• 30:04
  didn't concede and accommodate
• 30:07
  I think one of the things I want
• 30:09
  own personal life is have expectations of people, but then
• 30:13
  tell them I don't want them to
• 30:18
  right? I think that's great.
• 30:19
  Like I expect you to be accommodating to me, but I don't
• 30:22
  want you to feel like you have
• 30:23
  Oh my God, it's. So fucking Meri.
• 30:27
  It is her. Emotional roller coaster.
• 30:29
  I still, after all these years, I still do not have a finger, a
• 30:33
  thumb on whatever is going on with her emotionally.
• 30:36
  I don't get it. It's weird because there are
• 30:38
  times where I identify with her.
• 30:40
  I'm like, I'm such a fucking Meri.
• 30:41
  And then there are other times where I'm like, bet you're nuts.
• 30:45
  It's manipulation tactics. They all have their own little
• 30:49
  manipulation tactics, and this
• 30:51
  Like, oh, I don't want you to feel like you have to do that,
• 30:55
  but I'm kind of telling you that
• 31:00
  It's yeah, it's the manipulation.
• 31:02
  And everybody in this family has
• 31:06
  to get what they want. Because when you're in a family
• 31:08
  this big, that's kind of how it ends up playing out.
• 31:12
  You figure out how to get what
• 31:17
  just like children do out of their parents.
• 31:19
  Right, because you don't, I don't want to say get your way
• 31:22
  all that regularly, but there is
• 31:25
  going to go your way, quote UN quote or your desired outcome
• 31:28
  is not going to be the outcome.
• 31:30
  So yeah, you probably have to find overt and other ways to do
• 31:34
  it. It reminds me of a child of
• 31:37
  divorce that goes between the mom and the dad.
• 31:40
  Well, Dad said that I could get a PlayStation if you said that I
• 31:51
  It feels very much like that. And I even in the last episode,
• 31:56
  I was thinking that, oh, childhood divorce behavior kind
• 31:59
  of between them. It's something they all do.
• 32:03
  Christine chimes in and says, I think everyone would like to be
• 32:06
  in the place. Robyn is in the honeymoon phase.
• 32:11
  It's like a God. I mean, Amen, Christine.
• 32:15
  Everyone would love to be in the
• 32:17
  spouse forever. So awkward to bring that up and
• 32:21
  make a point to call it out again that you realize that he's
• 32:26
  still in that phase with another
• 32:30
  The bliss stage of relationships
• 32:33
  there really is no way of getting it back because once
• 32:36
  you know what you know about somebody, it's always going to
• 32:39
  color the rest of your feelings about them, whether that be
• 32:42
  good or bad. And it is just the nature of
• 32:47
  relationships. So you're you're chasing a pipe
• 32:50
  dream if you think you're ever going to get that back.
• 32:53
  You have to recreate stuff for yourself and she is just trying
• 32:56
  so hard and wants that so badly and it makes me feel for her.
• 33:01
  Well this is the thing about their family specifically is
• 33:05
  Kody probably had an infatuation slash love for Meri when they
• 33:11
  met and they were young. You know, I'm imagining that
• 33:14
  with her being in the polygamous cult and her parents being
• 33:18
  somewhat influential in that group.
• 33:21
  Piggy centric. Right, There was a there was
• 33:23
  reasons for him to be into her and then maybe they actually did
• 33:29
  attraction to her, etcetera, etcetera.
• 33:30
  Who knows what you know, I, I don't even know what to say
• 33:35
  about the Janelle thing. Christine.
• 33:36
  I don't think so. He has shared that he was
• 33:39
  literally not attracted to her and she has shared in her book
• 33:44
  So meeting Robyn and the way he talks about her even later in
• 33:49
  this episode, it does seem like he met someone that he was in
• 33:52
  love with. And that's so different from two
• 33:57
  So when you're talking about that, you know, infatuation at
• 34:05
  times that comes, I feel like in a real love or like a situation
• 34:09
  where you really do love and care for that person if you're
• 34:16
  obligation. Do you ever really get that ever
• 34:20
  I don't know. So Christine's going to always
• 34:26
  it's going to be. Yeah.
• 34:27
  Only time will tell. Yeah.
• 34:30
  And Tamron asks Kody, does each wife fulfill a different
• 34:33
  romantic need for you? Oh, because of course we have to
• 34:38
  Romantic and intellectual need, Kody says.
• 34:42
  I wouldn't call it needs because I could be married to any one of
• 34:51
  what you're doing? Well, I thought my reaction was,
• 34:57
  You're going to marry someone that wouldn't fulfill your
• 35:00
  functional marriage needs? Like I just.
• 35:02
  He's such an idiot. But then Robyn, Robyn has to go.
• 35:09
  Like we're on Family Feud and clapping with Steve Harvey.
• 35:13
  Good answer, good answer. It's on the board, It's up
• 35:16
  there, it's on the board. Everybody.
• 35:17
  It's going to be up there. That was awesome.
• 35:20
  Just saying that was awesome. Perfect.
• 35:23
  Like Oh my God, how many different ways can you applaud
• 35:27
  him for this answer that isn't
• 35:30
  No wonder he loves it. They are two peas in a pot.
• 35:33
  Dumb and fucking Dumber. Everyone needs a yes man, a hype
• 35:36
  person. She's just hyping him up.
• 35:40
  God. You guys, I'm looking for my
• 35:43
  Robyn. I'm.
• 35:44
  Looking for my hype woman. I'm looking for my Robyn.
• 35:46
  I'm. Looking for my Robyn if you're
• 35:49
  out there. My male version of a Robyn with
• 35:51
  a BBP big boy panties. Please let me.
• 35:56
  Know I'll be your Robyn for the time being, I'll be your I'll
• 35:58
  be your one woman gonna Robyn.
• 36:02
  quite a bit, honey. You just gonna have to agree
• 36:04
  with everything I say, and I don't want you to feel like you
• 36:07
  have to agree with everything else.
• 36:08
  Of course not. Of course not.
• 36:09
  No, no, no, I would never. But please do.
• 36:11
  I would never feel that way, but
• 36:15
  Kody says fitting their square
• 36:17
  Oh God, I love this square polygamist peg in a round
• 36:22
  monogamist hole would be impossible and I was going.
• 36:28
  I want more hole metaphors from Kody.
• 36:31
  Kody, give me more hole metaphors.
• 36:34
  I feel like. They've used this before.
• 36:37
  I feel like they've used this metaphor before and every time
• 36:40
  that they say it to compare your
• 36:48
  Kind of an unfortunate thing to do.
• 36:50
  Well, I thought it was quite a
• 36:54
  It definitely was. It was very titillating and
• 36:56
  stimulating for the senses. Oh God Robyn, what an idiot.
• 37:03
  Tamron asks if a monogamous relationship could be fulfilling
• 37:06
  to Kody and he says yes. So she asks, why not be a
• 37:10
  monogamist? Kody says why not be a
• 37:14
  polygamist? The question shows a sense of
• 37:17
  discrimination. Discrimination.
• 37:21
  Oh boy. They love to fall back to that.
• 37:25
  Like I said, I don't like to say
• 37:28
  back to this equality bit AD nauseam, like it's just their
• 37:31
  default. If you're asked a question and I
• 37:35
  rock, paper, scissors, square pegs and round holes, or
• 37:38
  something about equality and you're being discriminatory.
• 37:40
  He was saying to her, basically, that sounds very ableist of you.
• 37:46
  Yeah, yeah, so dumb. She glosses over it though.
• 37:50
  She just ignores that he says that.
• 37:52
  Yeah, she goes over to Meri. Does he meet all of your
• 37:55
  intellectual and romantic needs?
• 37:57
  And Meri says I am very happy in my marriage.
• 38:01
  I am. I am really happy in my
• 38:07
  relationship but. This bitch is so there.
• 38:10
  She's in it. She's in love, she cares about
• 38:15
  This is one of the first moments of this towel though, where I
• 38:21
  think so fucking phony. You are trying to pull the wool
• 38:26
  over everyone's eyes right now and you're not even putting on a
• 38:31
  I wonder at the time, in real time, as a viewer, if I would
• 38:35
  have picked up on it because that's a pattern I have with the
• 38:40
  saw it. Well, this is the first time I
• 38:46
  and I have, you know, the little bit of the foresight
• 38:50
  right, of what's happened. But I even sorry, that was just
• 38:54
  poor acting even for a kindergartner like it was.
• 38:58
  And they were right on her face for it.
• 39:02
  It was a close up of her saying it.
• 39:04
  I mean, I said it the way I did for a reason.
• 39:07
  I am very happy. I am like girl.
• 39:11
  Like she had a bomb under her butt and if she flinched it was
• 39:18
  going to go off or something. Tamron asks Janelle and Janelle
• 39:22
  says I'm very happy. I don't need or want for
• 39:26
  anything. Basically, yeah, yeah.
• 39:31
  I'm. I'm good.
• 39:32
  I'm good. Oh, nothing to see here.
• 39:36
  Everybody look away. We're all fine.
• 39:38
  Everybody's fine. Everybody's happy.
• 39:40
  OK, move on. Everyone in this family is
• 39:43
  fucking happy. Oh God, that's good.
• 39:46
  Tamron asks all the Brown family adults.
• 39:49
  How do you manage your affections?
• 39:51
  We talked about this so many times on this fucking show.
• 39:55
  It's like, Oh my God, who cares? The way she says it, though,
• 40:00
  you're a mere mortal, Kody. You're just a mere mortal.
• 40:06
  Well, someone's got to bring them back down to planet Earth.
• 40:09
  Kody says that there's not a
• 40:10
  favorite wife who's given dominion over the other wives.
• 40:15
  In other words, there's not a queen bee.
• 40:19
  It's like the question was, how do you manage your affections?
• 40:22
  I'm like where are we getting this from?
• 40:25
  Where? Where did we get from this?
• 40:27
  From that to this? What is happening here?
• 40:30
  They must have pulled out. Maybe he did answer.
• 40:33
  Someone answered about how they don't like to show affection in
• 40:35
  front of each other to be respectful of each other.
• 40:38
  They might have cut that out because this does feel like a
• 40:40
  later part of an answer at best.
• 40:42
  That's what I hate about this tell all.
• 40:45
  They're not giving us everything.
• 40:47
  It's just it's disjointed as everything is with these guys.
• 40:56
  That is something I get hung up on with this production company
• 40:58
  and with this show. It's sometimes I'm going, you
• 41:01
  guys must think we're really fucking dumb.
• 41:04
  It's funny that I'm saying that counter to me saying I don't
• 41:07
  know if I would have noticed like the first time I watched
• 41:09
  it. But really, it's like you must
• 41:14
  on at all. It's just bizarre.
• 41:16
  This kind of was the start of reality TV and they were still
• 41:24
  of the doubt here, maybe us as viewers didn't have high
• 41:28
  expectations of reality TV at the time.
• 41:31
  I still don't really have high expectations of it so.
• 41:33
  When most people I think would watch Sister Wives as a show
• 41:37
  that you have on and you're, I mean, today, most people
• 41:40
  probably be scrolling on their phones or doing whatever and who
• 41:49
  I mean, maybe similar vibes. I mean, I watched it, and I do
• 41:59
  it's not the most captivating show, you know?
• 42:03
  Yeah. As far as a producer, it would
• 42:08
  and hard to follow. It's ridiculous.
• 42:10
  I feel like one of the blessings and curses of having ADHD is
• 42:16
  that I notice everything but notice nothing at the same time,
• 42:23
  I have no idea what you. Mean like weird things that I'm
• 42:26
  not supposed to notice and like 0 in on them and then can't
• 42:30
  focus on what I'm supposed to be focused on so I do notice things
• 42:39
  Know, honey, that's your superpower.
• 42:41
  It is, yeah. That's what I'm going to tell my
• 42:48
  It's. Your superpower?
• 42:50
  Tamron asks them. Are you lacking in friendship
• 42:54
  for the sister wives? Are you all friends?
• 42:57
  And Kody starts answering. I don't think we're lacking.
• 42:59
  And Tamron cuts them off. Well, I'm asking the women and I
• 43:07
  because it's like, Kody, this question is not for you.
• 43:09
  She's not asking if you're friends with your wives.
• 43:11
  She's asking your wives if they are friends.
• 43:14
  Robyn has to flap her big jaw and she has to answer kind of
• 43:20
  mimicking Kody. Well yes, yes, but we all have
• 43:28
  Robyn. Almost like she jumped in after
• 43:32
  Tamron scolded Kody to try to ease that pain for him a little
• 43:37
  bit. The sting of being told to shut
• 43:40
  the fuck up. And they kind of all say yes,
• 43:44
  we're all, we're all four friends.
• 43:46
  And Christine elbows Meri in a joking way, like Yep, Yep, we're
• 43:53
  it. Yeah, and it's obviously
• 43:56
  Christine joking, but it's like joking with someone that you're
• 44:01
  not on that relationship level with.
• 44:03
  So it comes across as really awkward.
• 44:05
  And even Tamron calls it out and Meri is uncomfortable by it.
• 44:09
  You can tell. Yeah, after Christine nudges
• 44:11
  Meri with her elbow, Meri cracks the joke.
• 44:14
  Well, I guess we're not like, ha.
• 44:15
  And it's odd, cheesy, and everyone has forced laughter as
• 44:19
  if it is a situation that should be happening because
• 44:23
  they're so comfortable with each other when all reality
• 44:26
  they're not. And so it just comes across does
• 44:29
  like the energy in the room is
• 44:32
  Had shifted, it got very strange
• 44:36
  you all care for each other but I'm not convinced that you're
• 44:40
  all friends and asks who's everybody's best friends are.
• 44:46
  Christine says it depends on the
• 44:51
  other. Diplomatic answer yet again.
• 44:55
  And Meri responds to Tamron by
• 44:58
  there. I have some I'm more comfortable
• 45:01
  with than others, which of course is like, OK, Meri.
• 45:06
  Once again, a fucking Meri answer.
• 45:08
  And one thing that I wanted to
• 45:10
  being asked about them being friends at the beginning was
• 45:13
  that she said we all honor each other as sister wives.
• 45:17
  And I just thought that was such
• 45:19
  We honor each other as sister wives.
• 45:21
  So when you're being asked about
• 45:24
  acknowledging or denying, you're
• 45:27
  As sister wives, we get to have this fall back of this is our
• 45:30
  structure, this is our framework.
• 45:32
  We have to honor each other. Meri saying that she's closer
• 45:35
  with some than others. I mean, another throwaway thing,
• 45:38
  without really saying that you
• 45:41
  whatever. And that's where in Christine is
• 45:43
  like Meri and I have had a lot
• 45:46
  conversations. And there are days where I'm
• 45:49
  struggling and Meri's the person
• 45:53
  There are days I'm struggling and Janelle's the person I come
• 45:56
  to. There are days I'm struggling
• 45:58
  and Robyn's the person I go to.
• 46:00
  It depends on where we feel safe at the time.
• 46:03
  The closeness changes all the time and I'm going.
• 46:07
  I wonder when the last time was Christine went to marry or Robyn
• 46:15
  I don't think it's with any regularity.
• 46:17
  Meri says all of the relationships are as different
• 46:26
  OK, tell me that you haven't practiced these answers without
• 46:28
  telling me you haven't practiced these answers.
• 46:30
  Yeah, she's got her stock responses down, that's for sure.
• 46:38
  turn for us, a easy transition
• 46:44
  So for those of you that thought
• 46:48
  Nope. The flashbacks will continue.
• 46:51
  Never. We will never.
• 46:52
  Be done with that. 2046, when you're listening to us right
• 46:56
  here on this podcast, you'll be hearing about Meri's baby
• 46:59
  decision. Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep.
• 47:01
  So she says to Meri, you've been
• 47:03
  baby for a few years. Let's take a look.
• 47:07
  I just love. Let's take a look.
• 47:08
  I want to start saying that in
• 47:11
  hosting a meeting, I want to be like, let's take a look.
• 47:14
  I'm going to bring up this Excel
• 47:16
  Let's take a look. And of course they show clips of
• 47:20
  Meri's baby decision, Kody Hemming and hawing, him clearing
• 47:25
  his throat, which is my favorite
• 47:27
  him not even being able to get
• 47:29
  having to backtrack or clear his
• 47:32
  Choking on his answer. And Meri's saying let's Stew on
• 47:36
  it. And Kody's saying no.
• 47:39
  Let's think on it as a no. Yeah, and then her telling Robyn
• 47:44
  in that weird scene where Robyn is, what did you say,
• 47:48
  grimacing. Yeah, God.
• 47:49
  Grimacing through the conversation.
• 47:51
  Well, he said no, We we've decided.
• 47:55
  We decided it, it's going to be a no.
• 47:59
  And they show Robyn and Meri's conversation, and as they're
• 48:04
  showing that flashback, we get the picture.
• 48:07
  In picture, we see Kody watching the conversation happening
• 48:11
  between them, and Kody looks super contemplative.
• 48:14
  It looks like he's got some anger building in him.
• 48:18
  While he's watching the footage. Back while he's watching the
• 48:22
  conversation between them, it's almost like he can see how his
• 48:31
  right? That makes sense.
• 48:34
  He's seeing the wheels turning for Robyn in the clip and how
• 48:38
  she might be disappointed in him and you can tell he doesn't like
• 48:52
  situation and watching footage of other people talking about
• 48:55
  you. So that's something that I
• 48:58
  personally don't think I've ever had happen.
• 49:00
  It's also a game of telephone you're watching happen because
• 49:07
  Now Meri's telling Robyn the conversation in her words, and
• 49:16
  happened. It's always going to be that way
• 49:22
  It would be a very, very humbling experience if you were
• 49:28
  someone that could be humbled, but Kody is not.
• 49:32
  Right. So he's getting angry.
• 49:34
  Right, A normal person might take something from that and.
• 49:39
  Realize. Maybe craft their conversations
• 49:41
  more carefully or do something to have some learning from it.
• 49:45
  I came across this way and I didn't mean to.
• 49:47
  Oh, I maybe need to work on my delivery next time.
• 49:51
  Not this guy. No, no, no.
• 49:54
  Absolutely not, Tamron says Meri, you told Robyn that you
• 49:58
  mutually decided no, but that wasn't a mutual decision that I
• 50:02
  saw. So this is what I like about
• 50:05
  Tamron Hall here because she does, and This is why Kody
• 50:08
  doesn't like her, is that even though some of her questions are
• 50:14
  where she's going, you know, you said it was mutual and it didn't
• 50:21
  having a baby one sided. I'm having a flashback now to
• 50:25
  our previous episode where she said, you know, having a baby to
• 50:35
  way that everyone else does. I don't do things to fit in.
• 50:38
  So I'm not going to have a baby to fit in with you ladies.
• 50:41
  Right. Bizarre.
• 50:42
  Really. And Tamron asked, how did you
• 50:44
  feel with Kody saying no over and over and over?
• 50:50
  Oh my goodness. Meri admits that she wasn't at a
• 50:53
  full yes yet, but she was ready to look into it more.
• 50:59
  I'm like what the fuck? And how?
• 51:02
  How were you ready to look into it more?
• 51:05
  You're spinning your wheels here, lady.
• 51:08
  You're going in circles. Because this is such a moot
• 51:12
  point. I mean, they didn't even do what
• 51:13
  they said they were doing anyway.
• 51:15
  So yeah, she's ready to start having the conversation about
• 51:18
  next steps, and he's saying no.
• 51:20
  But even that conversation wasn't really even that.
• 51:25
  No. The whole thing is just gross.
• 51:30
  hate Meri. We're done with Meri's baby
• 51:32
  decision. I kind of, I'm not going to say
• 51:33
  it, but I kind of feel like even as a podcast, maybe we
• 51:36
  should just be like, we are never talking about Meri's baby
• 51:39
  decision again. Yeah, it's very frustrating to
• 51:42
  So annoying. Bad sitcom and Jason like we've
• 51:45
  said. This does lead into a different
• 51:48
  conversation though about being an empty nester.
• 51:51
  And Kody reminds Meri that technically, she will not be an
• 51:56
  empty nester because she can still nurture and be there for
• 52:09
  Sister wives, your families are one.
• 52:13
  Yeah. I don't understand why she has
• 52:19
  moments where, and I hate these moments, but when Kody's
• 52:22
  speaking and I'm going, yeah, you know, like I agree with
• 52:27
  Kody, you have young kids, a lot of little kids who need
• 52:31
  nurturing and mothering, as you said.
• 52:32
  And we've always tried to do that all together.
• 52:35
  And even if it was just bullshit for the cameras, from episode 1
• 52:39
  of Season 1, they've made it quite apparent to everybody that
• 52:45
  Kody says they are siblings. He beats us over the head with
• 52:50
  this show about Meri. Hello.
• 52:52
  You're supposed to be mothering these other kids and giving
• 52:55
  examples of what she could be doing to do it.
• 52:57
  And so it's hard to not agree with Kody in this moment.
• 53:00
  It's so hard for kids to get one-on-one time with a parent in
• 53:09
  couldn't even have a rotation where one of the kids spends a
• 53:17
  some actual one-on-one parenting time or a special.
• 53:21
  Moment yes, because it reminds me of being when I was young I
• 53:27
  parents for you know, a week or something and I loved it because
• 53:32
  It was all about me. I developed a special
• 53:35
  relationship with my grandparents through that and
• 53:37
  the only things that came out of it were positive experiences for
• 53:42
  north, you just walk to the next lot in your property, you
• 53:46
  know? That's why it's crazy to me that
• 53:49
  she has such a strained relationship with all of the
• 53:52
  children nowadays because she kind of was set up that she
• 53:57
  could have been the parent that they all came to.
• 54:00
  She had the most capacity and spare time for extra children to
• 54:06
  come to her. And it's just unfortunate that
• 54:09
  it wasn't that way. And.
• 54:12
  I love the sound of the children
• 54:14
  And I'm going, did you have them
• 54:17
  footage? Because we heard previously that
• 54:19
  all the kids had to be quiet in your house because you were
• 54:22
  like, this is the thing about Meri.
• 54:23
  It's like nothing is what it seems.
• 54:25
  Nothing's what she even says. And of course, this is just a
• 54:27
  huge hypothetical, but if Christine would have been the
• 54:31
  wife that only was able to have one child, I think things would
• 54:35
  have played out completely differently in this family.
• 54:37
  I think Christine would have had
• 54:41
  all the time, giving them that
• 54:45
  know, if she had only had one child, I just feel like this
• 54:49
  family dynamic would have been
• 54:52
  I mean, you can't do hypotheticals like that, but I
• 54:54
  just makes you wonder. And it just makes you realize it
• 54:58
  is Meri's personality. Like, that didn't happen for a
• 55:01
  reason. Yeah.
• 55:04
  Maybe it was God. Perhaps.
• 55:09
  So now we get to live through Tamron reviewing how Robyn
• 55:13
  shared her sexual history with
• 55:17
  she joined. Well, when she was being courted
• 55:19
  by Kody, she was very transparent about her sexual
• 55:23
  history and I wanted to make sure that I said the terms
• 55:26
  sexual history because that is
• 55:30
  And then Tamron asks if Robyn's story concerned anyone.
• 55:34
  Was it an issue for any of you
• 55:38
  Janelle says it never was for me.
• 55:42
  And I'm like Janelle, nothing.
• 55:44
  Ever. You didn't give a fuck, you
• 55:46
  were. I shouldn't say that she was
• 55:48
  just not affected, she's just never is.
• 55:51
  It wasn't like Robyn rolled up
• 55:54
  Sweet headboard with all the notches on it of all of the
• 55:59
  conquests she's had. What are they fucking talking
• 56:03
  about here? She slept with one guy, she
• 56:06
  ended up marrying him and he fathered her other children.
• 56:09
  It's like she didn't roll up with this bedposts of notches
• 56:13
  like what the fuck. I love that visual of the keep
• 56:17
  sweet headboard with the notches
• 56:20
  It's so good. You're right.
• 56:21
  I mean, literally she's sharing a story about premarital sex,
• 56:24
  getting pregnant, and then marrying that man.
• 56:26
  It's not exactly like, well, I'm
• 56:29
  screening and I'm clear for everything except for
• 56:31
  definitely one. We all know she got one, so, you
• 56:37
  she was a street Walker, which I do like to imply, but that's not
• 56:41
  pay for the homes, but she wasn't doing it at this time,
• 56:45
  allegedly, Allegedly. And oh, we get another example
• 56:51
  I think Kody does love Robyn. For what reason?
• 56:54
  God only knows. But he says.
• 56:56
  When I first met Robyn, in my view, she was a pure woman,
• 57:01
  someone I respected completely and ultimately now, honey, as
• 57:05
  the respectful man on this podcast who always bends at the
• 57:10
  knee, always puts women first, I'd love to know what you think
• 57:14
  about how Kody thought Robyn was a pure woman.
• 57:18
  It's just misogynistic to even think that she needed that
• 57:23
  approval from you to begin with, right?
• 57:25
  That she needed you to think that way about her to begin
• 57:28
  with? Oh, she just needed you to.
• 57:31
  Yep, she needed that to fulfill her in some sort of way and make
• 57:39
  him. It's just self-centered.
• 57:41
  He was married to three women. She didn't have to be concerned
• 57:44
  if he was fucking pure. And why would you even be
• 57:47
  worried about if someone was? It's just, yeah, it's so gross.
• 57:51
  The whole sexual history thing
• 57:52
  in relationships is it's a red
• 57:57
  many people you've slept with.
• 58:01
  relationship with pure expectations, you shouldn't
• 58:06
  care. You shouldn't care about their
• 58:08
  history. What matters is the here and now
• 58:11
  and how they are with you and that their history has brought
• 58:15
  them to this moment and that they've learned from it, whether
• 58:18
  it be sexual, whether it just be, you know, the lessons that
• 58:24
  they've learned in life. That's what makes a person who
• 58:28
  they are. So why does it have to be such a
• 58:32
  big thing? It's a religion thing, and
• 58:36
  that's where I struggle with the
• 58:40
  love everybody. Bull fucking shit bullshit
• 58:43
  bullshit. Bullshit.
• 58:46
  I'm thinking even if I wanted to
• 58:49
  feel like there might be a difference between being 21,
• 58:53
  you're in college, blah blah blah and you discuss your body
• 58:55
  count number. And I don't want to say that
• 58:58
  anyone should be ashamed in that
• 59:01
  that would be a thing a little
• 59:05
  woman with three kids and a man who's married to three women.
• 59:08
  It's like this is just so not applicable.
• 59:11
  It's just strange. It isn't applicable at all.
• 59:14
  It is weird. I, I've just feel like there's
• 59:17
  just another way to shame women though, to, to ask the body
• 59:20
  count question when you start dating.
• 59:23
  I it's a way to, it's a way to
• 59:27
  unnecessary. It doesn't matter.
• 59:29
  It's got nothing to do with the here and now, so.
• 59:33
  And so unfair based on gender because I don't know any man in
• 59:38
  my life who feels like they need
• 59:43
  history at all. I mean, let's say I've met one
• 59:47
  or two men in my entire life that feel like they need to
• 59:49
  downplay their sexual history for some reason.
• 59:51
  Women have such pressure for that and it's ridiculous.
• 59:55
  I feel like if a man downplays
• 59:59
  internalized shame, maybe around
• 1:00:04
  that they like slept around, but
• 1:00:09
  The external shame and then that
• 1:00:12
  from how you were raised and like the internalized misogyny
• 1:00:18
  and you know, whatever. So they just this whole chastity
• 1:00:25
  conversation and spiel that was done by Robyn is disgusting to
• 1:00:32
  me that they put it on TV and it's because of the time.
• 1:00:37
  I get it. This was this aired a long time
• 1:00:39
  ago, but do you think that they would do this now?
• 1:00:45
  Probably they would. I don't know what I'm talking
• 1:00:46
  about. They would.
• 1:00:47
  They would, and I would argue that it really wasn't that long
• 1:00:51
  ago. It was literally just 13 years
• 1:00:54
  ago. I mean, I just, I'm right now,
• 1:00:57
  for some reason, I'm getting a
• 1:00:59
  boys all together, high 5 and smacking hands about the, you
• 1:01:03
  know, another conquest, another whatever.
• 1:01:05
  And that's a stereotype that I
• 1:01:07
  But for some reason women are supposed to be ashamed of
• 1:01:12
  something similar. And I I just it's.
• 1:01:14
  Gross. Yeah.
• 1:01:15
  I feel like whenever I started
• 1:01:17
  asked me how many people that I had slept with, I would just
• 1:01:21
  say, you know what? I don't know.
• 1:01:23
  Yeah, because to me, like you're
• 1:01:29
  obviously are going to feel some
• 1:01:32
  answer, whether it's less than
• 1:01:35
  inexperienced then and I'm naive
• 1:01:40
  because, oh, maybe she's not going to be a good, good lay
• 1:01:43
  because she doesn't know what to do or oh, she's slept with too
• 1:01:46
  many people and she's a whore.
• 1:01:49
  I don't want to be with her. Oh, she's loose.
• 1:01:51
  And that's just the stereotype
• 1:01:54
  if you do, you're damned if you don't.
• 1:01:55
  So I would just be like, you know what?
• 1:01:57
  I'm not sure. I'd have to think about it.
• 1:02:00
  And if their reaction was what
• 1:02:03
  then I fucking knew right then
• 1:02:06
  person. I would love in a situation like
• 1:02:09
  that, to be able to have the gumption to say, what number
• 1:02:12
  would you like to hear? Like, do you want to hear 4
• 1:02:15
  'cause I'll tell you 4. Like what do you want to hear?
• 1:02:17
  Do you want to hear 10? I'll tell you 10.
• 1:02:19
  You know, if you're a homosexual, it's like you want
• 1:02:21
  to hear 82 'cause I'll tell you 82.
• 1:02:23
  Like what number do you want to fucking hear?
• 1:02:25
  Yeah, if anyone that's listening
• 1:02:28
  through the dating scene right
• 1:02:31
  through the dating scene and you're hearing questions like
• 1:02:33
  this, it's just it's a red flag and it doesn't need to be a
• 1:02:37
  conversation. And we're we're in fucking 2026.
• 1:02:40
  It doesn't need to be a conversation anymore.
• 1:02:43
  But during this scene, we get a flashback to Robbins purity
• 1:02:46
  speech in front of Meri's crooked fireplace mantle.
• 1:02:48
  Every time I see a flashback to Robbins purity speech, I just
• 1:02:53
  part of my heartwarms over that crooked fireplace mantle.
• 1:02:58
  They include a couch moment from
• 1:03:01
  sitting next to Kody and they use this footage in the episode.
• 1:03:05
  But she explicitly says in this flashback that she had
• 1:03:08
  premarital sex with her boyfriend and I don't recall
• 1:03:12
  watching that during the episode.
• 1:03:14
  Remember this is like we made fun of it how she was like oh
• 1:03:18
  and he wanted whatever he wanted.
• 1:03:19
  Then there was a long silence and then she's like, so then I
• 1:03:22
  was pregnant. We made fun of it because it's
• 1:03:25
  like you missed a step. They skirted around it.
• 1:03:28
  And in this footage, they're showing her talking about it.
• 1:03:30
  And this is not the last time it'll happen in this episode.
• 1:03:33
  And I'm going, you know, what I like about reality TV, at least
• 1:03:36
  now, is they'll put a little thing in the bottom third saying
• 1:03:39
  unaired footage or something. Because it's like, why are you
• 1:03:41
  trying to make it seem like we
• 1:03:43
  She was upfront about this, right?
• 1:03:46
  She was, but we didn't get that in the episode.
• 1:03:48
  Tamron claims that she cried while watching this during the
• 1:03:54
  show. Tamron lost some big points for
• 1:03:56
  me on this. Me too, and Robyn says that a
• 1:04:00
  lot of girls hide this, especially in our church.
• 1:04:03
  I can tell girls not to sell themselves short.
• 1:04:08
  Oh my gosh, again with putting
• 1:04:15
  OK, we get it. Yes, Tamron uses this as a segue
• 1:04:19
  into asking them how they discuss sex with their children
• 1:04:24
  and how they plan to talk to them about it.
• 1:04:29
  And Christine says that the kids
• 1:04:32
  parents. Her kids can always come to her
• 1:04:35
  with any question anytime that they need to.
• 1:04:37
  But she also says this is a conversation you can have with
• 1:04:43
  And that's all. I thought it was interesting
• 1:04:47
  that she segmented that the question is for their parents
• 1:04:50
  and their parents only. This brings up an interesting
• 1:04:54
  topic thing I I don't feel like I would want to tell my children
• 1:05:03
  probably should be some other person they can go to and it
• 1:05:07
  felt very cult vibes to me. I don't know why you would
• 1:05:12
  emphasize to your children that they should only talk about sex
• 1:05:15
  or ask questions about sex to their parents.
• 1:05:18
  Because we have a script, and we only want you to know what we
• 1:05:22
  want you to know. Yeah.
• 1:05:23
  And that's it. I also found that Robyn's
• 1:05:26
  language about selling herself short, yeah was very telling
• 1:05:30
  about who Robyn is. Selling herself short.
• 1:05:35
  Most people probably would gloss over the notion of selling
• 1:05:40
  yourself short in the way that the statements usually meant.
• 1:05:43
  But then when I think about Robyn, I think, no, you probably
• 1:05:49
  is something to do with how you should be treated, the
• 1:05:52
  lifestyle you should have, the things you should get.
• 1:05:55
  You're so much better than that guy.
• 1:05:57
  Exactly what you. Settled for Yeah.
• 1:06:01
  Janelle says that Maddie has come up and had a conversation
• 1:06:09
  and how their choices have affected them, and she's happy
• 1:06:15
  And she sees it now. She sees it in this public
• 1:06:19
  school. I felt like that was just
• 1:06:23
  Janelle trying to affirm that. Oh yeah, yeah, we, we we've got
• 1:06:27
  this. We did it right.
• 1:06:28
  My older child comes up to me and tells me.
• 1:06:31
  Janelle continues that every choice you make in life, be it
• 1:06:38
  Every parent is trying to do their best based on how they
• 1:06:43
  were raised. So it just, it just sucks
• 1:06:47
  because we have enough research, we have enough knowledge that we
• 1:06:58
  Children's Health. They just really are.
• 1:07:01
  And you need to face the facts. And in this time, they already
• 1:07:09
  they weren't. They weren't heeding the
• 1:07:12
  warnings. Yeah.
• 1:07:12
  One thing you've said on this show that I agree with, and I
• 1:07:15
  think it's so important for any parent out there that's
• 1:07:18
  listening, is the importance of being available to your
• 1:07:24
  children. If they make a quote UN quote
• 1:07:27
  mistake, if they do something and they're fretting about it or
• 1:07:41
  things, then be the parent that your children can.
• 1:07:44
  Come to then your kids can't be scared of you.
• 1:07:46
  They need to be able to come to you and you're going to set them
• 1:07:52
  success or failure based on how you react to things that
• 1:07:55
  they come to you with. Even as a small child.
• 1:07:58
  Like we were talking the other day and my son knocked over some
• 1:08:11
  He's four years old. He came and got me.
• 1:08:13
  He asked me for help. And while I was mad, I took the
• 1:08:17
  time to say to him, thank you for coming to get me to help
• 1:08:21
  with the situation. You know, you're not supposed to
• 1:08:27
  But thank you for coming and getting me, you know, to help
• 1:08:30
  you instead of trying to hide this.
• 1:08:32
  And I gave myself a little pat on the back for that because if
• 1:08:38
  I was that kid and if I had knocked over some of my dad's
• 1:08:42
  art equipment at that age and I did do this, I would have tried
• 1:08:47
  with everything in me to hide it because I would have been
• 1:08:50
  scared. So scared.
• 1:08:51
  I would have been so scared of the consequences.
• 1:08:53
  I I definitely did try to hide things and did hide things as a
• 1:08:57
  child because of it. I think it's important for any
• 1:09:07
  to make them feel comfortable to talk to you.
• 1:09:10
  Yeah, is super important. And then to manage your own
• 1:09:13
  reactions like you're the parent.
• 1:09:14
  Please manage your own. You can have any feels you have.
• 1:09:18
  in your brain, but manage your
• 1:09:23
  try to have an open space for your children.
• 1:09:25
  Or if you do have a big reaction, admit to it afterwards
• 1:09:27
  and say, you know, I had a big
• 1:09:31
  This is why, you know, you just have to be open and honest and
• 1:09:37
  these guys are not even open and
• 1:09:41
  with each other. So how are they doing it with
• 1:09:44
  their children? I don't know.
• 1:09:46
  They can't even be honest with
• 1:09:48
  No, Tamron. Well, and of course, with all
• 1:09:53
  this purity speak, it gives Tamron an opportunity to ask if
• 1:09:56
  Mckelty is the one that's boy crazy.
• 1:09:59
  Of course Christine says yes, and Tamron looks over at Kody
• 1:10:03
  and says, Kody, you know your eyes.
• 1:10:05
  I feel the steam coming off of
• 1:10:09
  And of course Kody has to do the
• 1:10:11
  Do you know that the shotgun is loaded?
• 1:10:13
  And it's like, oh God, Kody, you're just such a fucking
• 1:10:16
  walking stereotype. Right.
• 1:10:18
  Tamron also asks Kody. Do you think that boys will see
• 1:10:22
  that you have 4 wives and think that you're more laid?
• 1:10:25
  Back Yeah, yeah, I. Thought that was interesting
• 1:10:28
  because, yeah, Robyn says that
• 1:10:33
  sometimes they joke and say you're a pimp because they just
• 1:10:37
  don't get it. And I think she's thinking of
• 1:10:41
  this in the literal pimp sense.
• 1:10:43
  But I don't know if anyone remembers how big the word pimp
• 1:10:47
  was at this time. It was such a part of our
• 1:10:51
  vernacular in the 20 tens. Pimp my ride, pimp this, pimp
• 1:10:56
  that. You're such a pimp.
• 1:10:58
  It didn't mean that they thought he was an actual pimp.
• 1:11:03
  Yeah, they're really leaning into the whole notion of him
• 1:11:07
  being some sort of authority figure and his wives being
• 1:11:12
  little subservient whatnots. Or just the literal pimp.
• 1:11:15
  Like a literal pimp. People mean.
• 1:11:17
  Probably when they're 2013, if a 13 year old was like, yo, that
• 1:11:28
  just walks away. I just, I just walk away when I
• 1:11:32
  hear things like that. They just don't know.
• 1:11:33
  They just don't get it. It's how big of you, Kody.
• 1:11:37
  Yes. Tamron asks can your girls date?
• 1:11:44
  Christine says Mckelty can't because she's 17, which of
• 1:11:49
  course you know Tamron has to look at everyone for what this
• 1:11:52
  means. And Janelle says they need to be
• 1:11:54
  16 before they can even group date.
• 1:11:58
  So Tamron's kind of looking curiously like, so you can group
• 1:12:02
  date at 16 and individual date
• 1:12:06
  And Christine says yes, but please don't, don't individual
• 1:12:09
  date. And I'm like.
• 1:12:10
  What the fuck? What does this mean?
• 1:12:13
  So if your 18 year old child is being asked to not individual
• 1:12:18
  date even in a joking manner by you, it's like what are you
• 1:12:21
  talking about? Who is going to not date ever?
• 1:12:25
  She didn't say it jokingly either though.
• 1:12:27
  She said it like Oh no, oh gosh,
• 1:12:30
  Like can you even imagine? Right.
• 1:12:33
  An 18 year old going out on a date is too much for Christine
• 1:12:36
  Brown. Yeah, I don't even know what the
• 1:12:39
  fuck to say to that. The next thing we're going to
• 1:12:42
  talk about is the panel discussion.
• 1:12:45
  Oh boy, oh boy, one of our favorite episodes.
• 1:12:49
  Oh yeah, and they show us flashbacks again.
• 1:12:56
  They don't give us our little morsel of Tamron saying let's
• 1:13:01
  take a look. No, what is it?
• 1:13:03
  She didn't say. Let's take a look,
• 1:13:05
  unfortunately. No, they show bits of the panel
• 1:13:09
  discussion that they didn't show
• 1:13:11
  Again. Yeah.
• 1:13:14
  One thing in particular here is that they show Kody saying,
• 1:13:19
  Kristen, I am nothing like your husband.
• 1:13:22
  Let's start there. Yeah.
• 1:13:25
  So things did get maybe a little
• 1:13:29
  on in the actual episode, which I'm kind of shocked that they
• 1:13:34
  didn't go there then during the episode because this was more
• 1:13:37
  heated than Robyn's dumb ass response to what was said.
• 1:13:44
  Her first chugga, chugga Choo Choo.
• 1:13:45
  And then her actual response, which she'd been waiting the
• 1:13:48
  whole time to say as he. Pointed out she'd been bidding
• 1:13:50
  her time to say her famous line.
• 1:13:52
  And that was more salacious. And also, when Colleen was
• 1:13:55
  sharing about her back story, she included that her father
• 1:13:58
  went to jail because of the abuse happened in her home.
• 1:14:02
  These were things that should have been in the fucking episode
• 1:14:13
  juice to align with the reaction from the Browns about
• 1:14:17
  how, you know, they called it a debate.
• 1:14:18
  And even Tamron said, well, it
• 1:14:21
  it a debate. Like she pointed out that it was
• 1:14:23
  like, why was it so contentious in a way?
• 1:14:25
  And then they show this extra footage and it's like, well, OK,
• 1:14:28
  this actually does make sense that it was more contentious
• 1:14:30
  than what we even saw. We talked about this during our
• 1:14:33
  panel discussion episode where
• 1:14:38
  not everything, and it felt disjointed.
• 1:14:41
  And they're doing it again with this tell.
• 1:14:43
  All right now. Yeah.
• 1:14:45
  Yeah. It fucking sucks because from an
• 1:14:47
  editorial standpoint, if you're trying to make a point, include
• 1:14:50
  the things that make the point
• 1:14:52
  The very least telling for your story.
• 1:14:55
  What the fuck? So frustrating.
• 1:14:59
  But my favorite part of this flashback, I have to say, was
• 1:15:02
  Professor Creepo. When they're wrapping up the
• 1:15:05
  panel, he says, well, we're out of time and God willed it, I'm
• 1:15:09
  sure. And I thought, did we miss that
• 1:15:11
  in the first? Did I miss that?
• 1:15:13
  Did he say it? I don't know if.
• 1:15:15
  I don't think we saw it. I.
• 1:15:16
  Don't think we saw it because I was like this is so amazing
• 1:15:18
  we're out of time and God willed
• 1:15:22
  Fucking Professor Creepo. Good.
• 1:15:25
  Someone give him a cookie for that joke.
• 1:15:28
  Cameron asks Christine about being nervous to see her aunt.
• 1:15:31
  Oh, I mean, excuse me, her mother's sister.
• 1:15:35
  And Christine starts out by saying I'm frustrated with her.
• 1:15:38
  She's publicly against plural marriage, and here I am just
• 1:15:43
  trying to show that we're normal.
• 1:15:45
  I spent so many summers at her
• 1:15:47
  We had good talks and I watched her dysfunctional marriage and
• 1:15:51
  I knew her and now she's against
• 1:15:56
  just another point of why didn't they keep in Kody's thing to
• 1:16:00
  her aunt being like your husband was an asshole and I'm not
• 1:16:03
  like him. And here Christina's doubling
• 1:16:05
  down on that and like OK, we know it.
• 1:16:07
  We know it. The wives seem to me to be in
• 1:16:10
  denial about the things that the anti plagues were talking about
• 1:16:14
  and paralleled in ways where it was like, but no, you've
• 1:16:18
  actually experienced this and in the future you will acknowledge
• 1:16:21
  that. So I'm wondering, you know, is
• 1:16:27
  What's really fueling their stead fitness and their
• 1:16:30
  defensiveness? Like, what part of becoming
• 1:16:33
  famous and having, you know, to not live in poverty anymore
• 1:16:37
  plays into their, you know, absolute rejection of anything
• 1:16:42
  everything's fine and everything's wonderful when we
• 1:16:46
  But they seem so defensive and adamant about defending their
• 1:16:51
  marriages. And it's like, well.
• 1:16:53
  Well, and it's weird because Christine says right in that
• 1:16:57
  whole spiel that she watched her aunt's dysfunctional marriage.
• 1:17:09
  wasn't a nice guy. She said that during the panel
• 1:17:27
  disconnect. They're just in denial of their
• 1:17:33
  situation. And that's why I'm wondering
• 1:17:35
  what the fuel of that denial is. And I think it's their current
• 1:17:44
  preservation. Yeah, and it totally feels like
• 1:17:47
  the cult thing to me. You know, keep sweet.
• 1:17:51
  The whole thing's so convoluted to me.
• 1:17:53
  I lose track of my own thoughts when I'm thinking about it
• 1:17:56
  'cause it's so fucked up. Same, same 'cause then Robyn
• 1:17:59
  says that they're there to tell us that we are wrong.
• 1:18:03
  They're just, they're just there to tell us that we're wrong.
• 1:18:06
  And Kody says that they are letting their bad experience
• 1:18:11
  influence all plural marriage. That's kind of what we do,
• 1:18:15
  though. We let our perspective guide us
• 1:18:17
  in what we know and what we understand about the world.
• 1:18:21
  So Robyn says again, we validate that they had a hard time, but
• 1:18:31
  I I don't understand how they can't come to the conclusion
• 1:18:36
  that yes, there are both sides of things and these people
• 1:18:40
  aren't out to get you. When Robyn was circling back to
• 1:18:45
  when the panelists were saying you're wrong and your family
• 1:18:49
  needs to be broken apart is what Robyn says.
• 1:18:53
  And I'm going I don't recall anyone on the panel saying that
• 1:18:57
  now once again it was edited, but I didn't get a vibe that
• 1:19:00
  anyone on the panel was saying that the Brown family needed to
• 1:19:03
  be broken apart. I don't think anyone was making
• 1:19:05
  any action item requests of them or telling them that they
• 1:19:08
  should be doing something. It felt like the anti plagues
• 1:19:12
  were trying to share their experiences and a broad brush of
• 1:19:23
  that they were wrong, that the Browns were wrong and that their
• 1:19:30
  It's once again, where are you coming up with these you should
• 1:19:33
  be's and what should happens because no one else is saying
• 1:19:36
  that. Yeah, this is where I, I do like
• 1:19:45
  they aren't willing to validate the positive experiences.
• 1:19:48
  And Tamron cuts in and says, but are you the norm or are they the
• 1:19:57
  Hello. What's the, you know, common
• 1:20:00
  thread here, right? What is the higher percentage
• 1:20:05
  here? The good or the bad, you know.
• 1:20:11
  what Robyn was saying. We validate that there's abuse
• 1:20:17
  And Robyn Wright, we're not saying these things didn't
• 1:20:19
  happen in the communities or in plural marriage.
• 1:20:21
  It's like, OK, OK, got it. And so Tamron says, so you're
• 1:20:26
  saying it doesn't happen in your home.
• 1:20:28
  Which brings me to Colleen, which gives Christine an
• 1:20:32
  opportunity to kind of have this little moment talking about
• 1:20:35
  Colleen. And she's like, my heart, it
• 1:20:38
  just breaks for Colleen. She's had a tough, tough go.
• 1:20:42
  When she met us last summer at the end, it seemed like it was
• 1:20:56
  heart's still breaking. It's just sad.
• 1:21:00
  I feel like this is all a bit dismissive of the situation,
• 1:21:05
  right? Like, Oh yeah, like her heart's
• 1:21:06
  breaking and she's had it rough, but why isn't she better
• 1:21:09
  now or something? It is very like, why isn't she
• 1:21:14
  experience with us. We were supposed to change her
• 1:21:19
  speak is driving me nuts with this fucking family.
• 1:21:22
  We validate her. We validate her negative
• 1:21:24
  experiences. We validate they don't validate
• 1:21:26
  that we have positive ones. I hate weaponizing therapy
• 1:21:29
  speech. It really gets under my skin.
• 1:21:31
  Yeah, I just kind of thought that was, again, a big nothing
• 1:21:38
  try to bring up hope. What we tried to help her.
• 1:21:42
  Right. Yeah.
• 1:21:42
  It's unfortunate that she couldn't see light from our
• 1:21:45
  eyes. Whatever bullshit Tamron brings
• 1:21:47
  up from the outside. Are you the norm?
• 1:21:50
  There are men who have been accused and convicted in many
• 1:21:54
  cases of child abuse and spousal abuse.
• 1:21:57
  Are they the norm? And Janelle says, well, from
• 1:22:01
  families we know we are the norm Fucking Janelle.
• 1:22:05
  Janelle is just so quick at pulling the wool over the eyes
• 1:22:11
  along, move along. Yeah, Tamron says, well, why
• 1:22:14
  aren't more people standing up? And Christine says, well,
• 1:22:18
  because they're afraid. And Meri talks about how she
• 1:22:22
  lost her job when they came out, and it's not fair for them to
• 1:22:26
  put this on to others. And nobody else has stepped
• 1:22:30
  forward. But we also can't put that
• 1:22:32
  burden on other people. From what I know, the Browns and
• 1:22:44
  this world. And then obviously their
• 1:22:46
  immediate family, the, you know, their moms that come and join
• 1:22:50
  for episodes here and there and Robyns, some of her sisters that
• 1:23:03
  kind of the exception to the rule and there are other
• 1:23:07
  families like us out there. They're not comfortable coming
• 1:23:14
  And you know what instances of child abuse do go up when you
• 1:23:20
  have extra people in the family. There is this, there is that.
• 1:23:24
  And we want to dispel from our perspective some of this
• 1:23:29
  information and help families like us to be able to come out
• 1:23:36
  They can't just say that they have to be so defensive.
• 1:23:41
  And the fact that they're so defensive shows me that they
• 1:23:46
  know there's bubbles cracking in their relationship and that it's
• 1:23:54
  Otherwise why would you be hiding behind this?
• 1:23:58
  Well, it's this is the norm for a lot of people thing and when
• 1:24:07
  That families have with going public, she says.
• 1:24:09
  It's scary to be very vulnerable and to be open.
• 1:24:13
  And once again, I'm, I'm I'm going to let go about my anger
• 1:24:22
  They use these words, but then their actions don't align.
• 1:24:24
  There's a lot of actions that don't align to the words with
• 1:24:28
  this fucking family. They are liars.
• 1:24:30
  The other thing is when Meri talking about being fired when
• 1:24:36
  across the board, then how are they going to support
• 1:24:39
  themselves? Do I believe that Meri was fired
• 1:24:44
  Do I believe that she's lying about it?
• 1:24:48
  No. Who knows what the truth is?
• 1:24:51
  I think that she was fired because of the media attention
• 1:24:56
  time that was predisposed to abuse, and the kids she was
• 1:25:02
  working with were part of a vulnerable population to begin
• 1:25:08
  need is some unstable figure that's having a lot of media
• 1:25:11
  attention around them. And it would be selfish,
• 1:25:13
  honestly, to not leave your job in that situation because you're
• 1:25:20
  you're drawing attention to yourself and in turn to your job
• 1:25:24
  in this situation with the kids you're working with, right?
• 1:25:30
  back and think, you know, due to
• 1:25:35
  probably was best that I took a step back from my job.
• 1:25:39
  Yeah. You're on ATV show now, right?
• 1:25:41
  Maybe your TV show should be your.
• 1:25:43
  Job. I mean, I don't know, maybe you
• 1:25:44
  should figure that out. Yeah.
• 1:25:45
  The other thing about this lying
• 1:25:50
  Browns at this point are currently suing the state of
• 1:25:53
  Utah for discrimination. I just feel like they are trying
• 1:25:58
  to make it all seem like they were run out of town.
• 1:26:02
  Everything's so terrible. No polygamist family is going to
• 1:26:04
  come forward because of all the things that are going to happen
• 1:26:06
  to them. In all reality, they are suing
• 1:26:08
  the state of Utah for discrimination and that's why
• 1:26:11
  they left the fucking state. So fuck them.
• 1:26:13
  They're making it sound like they ran out in the middle of
• 1:26:15
  the night because the police were coming after them.
• 1:26:18
  Village people with their torches on fire and getting them
• 1:26:21
  out of town. You know, like none of that was
• 1:26:22
  happening. Didn't that all get dropped
• 1:26:25
  anyway because. There was nothing.
• 1:26:28
  They couldn't prove anything. And yeah, I mean, but what I
• 1:26:31
  think what eventually happened
• 1:26:34
  lawsuit. But then when it was appealed,
• 1:26:36
  they lost because it was determined that the Browns were
• 1:26:39
  actually never persecuted, never
• 1:26:43
  ever brought, They were never treated any different than
• 1:26:46
  anybody else in the eyes of the law.
• 1:26:48
  So fuck the Browns for being liars.
• 1:26:49
  Anyway, so I get a little, I get a little pissed because this is
• 1:26:53
  what they do, right? They default to that.
• 1:26:55
  We're persecuted. We're like other groups.
• 1:26:57
  We're like fucking homosexuals. We're like other minorities.
• 1:27:00
  And they were not treated that way in the eyes of the law.
• 1:27:03
  I do think of it as well, like this state was damned.
• 1:27:06
  If they didn't, damned if they didn't because of all of the
• 1:27:10
  eyes on them after Warren Jeffs and with all the child abuse and
• 1:27:20
  supposed to investigate the family?
• 1:27:22
  And this is where I have a, a disconnect because I think, you
• 1:27:28
  know, there's overstepping of the state, but then there's
• 1:27:32
  also, well, history has shown us.
• 1:27:34
  And if we don't step in and if there is something going on with
• 1:27:49
  CPS is a whole other frickin can of worms I'm not even going
• 1:27:54
  to get into. But this just makes me think
• 1:27:56
  like, you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't.
• 1:28:00
  I just think about the legal perspective.
• 1:28:02
  People are investigated. All the time.
• 1:28:04
  And if charges don't come from it, charges don't come from it.
• 1:28:07
  And you want to be upset that
• 1:28:09
  you were investigated? Well, I don't know.
• 1:28:11
  You're on national TV as polygamists breaking the law in
• 1:28:16
  the state of Utah. So if they want to investigate
• 1:28:18
  you, they're going to investigate you.
• 1:28:19
  It's a tough conversation. Yeah.
• 1:28:21
  There's a lot of aspects to it.
• 1:28:23
  Yeah. Tamron asks.
• 1:28:24
  Does it upset you that more? Families don't come.
• 1:28:27
  Forward and Christine says that she feels sad for them.
• 1:28:30
  Kody, of course, takes his usual posterity, saying it's not fair
• 1:28:34
  to put that pressure on them. But yeah, I feel a little
• 1:28:38
  alienated. I feel like nobody had my back.
• 1:28:43
  When we get back from a
• 1:28:46
  commercial, we are introduced to
• 1:28:52
  family. We've got Hunter, we've got
• 1:28:55
  Aspen, we've got Leon, we've got
• 1:28:59
  got Mckelty. Have we got him?
• 1:29:02
  What? No, it's.
• 1:29:04
  Tricking on you. Continue.
• 1:29:06
  Did I miss Leon? No.
• 1:29:08
  No, you. You're just like we've.
• 1:29:10
  Got we've got we've. Got we've got.
• 1:29:11
  Oh, I was. I was harkening back to my
• 1:29:14
  olden. Yesteryear, my olden yesteryear.
• 1:29:17
  Take out the old footage. Oh.
• 1:29:19
  Yeah, Tamron has to bring up to.
• 1:29:22
  Leon, why was it so tough for you to not get into the homes at
• 1:29:32
  children. And Leon says it was.
• 1:29:34
  I think it was because everyone else.
• 1:29:35
  Was getting theirs and I was just waiting and not knowing.
• 1:29:39
  I think not knowing was the most difficult part and my Spidey
• 1:29:45
  senses was going. I think that you had to put that
• 1:29:54
  else was getting what they wanted and you weren't was the
• 1:29:58
  Like, you know, we all love you, Leon, everyone loves Leon.
• 1:30:02
  Maddie is looking down. And Maddie's face says it all.
• 1:30:11
  is playing the woe is me card yet again.
• 1:30:15
  You can tell Maddie is realizing how embarrassing this is, that
• 1:30:24
  Come the fuck on. What did you not know?
• 1:30:27
  Did you not know you were going to get the home?
• 1:30:29
  No, you just didn't get in at the exact same time as everyone
• 1:30:32
  else and threw a little hissy tissy fit.
• 1:30:34
  I'm imagining going back in time and with my.
• 1:30:37
  Brothers having a scene filmed and rewatching it and having my
• 1:30:41
  brother being upset about something that was so dumb and
• 1:30:46
  and being like yeah, like are you fucking?
• 1:30:48
  It's embarrassing. Yep, it's embarrassing looking
• 1:30:53
  upset over. OK, The only thing I will say is
• 1:30:59
  Because he does say it must have been challenging to see everyone
• 1:31:05
  didn't. And so, you know, Logan,
• 1:31:08
  upstanding guy. I'm going to give the little
• 1:31:11
  hand heart thing for Logan. Got a little special place in my
• 1:31:17
  Obviously Janelle did a great
• 1:31:20
  job with that one. Not sure if it's that he is the
• 1:31:24
  first child and got more undivided attention or if it's
• 1:31:29
  the fact that him and these other siblings grew up in a more
• 1:31:33
  cohesive family setting. But there's something to be said
• 1:31:36
  about the way that he's answering these questions and
• 1:31:41
  sticking up for Leon. And he's answering these
• 1:31:46
  questions better than a lot of
• 1:31:49
  So. And then Tamarind turns her
• 1:31:52
  attention to Hunter and says, Hunter, this move was really
• 1:31:56
  hard for you. But it seems now that you're
• 1:31:59
  you're Mr. Vegas. You're Mr. Vegas now.
• 1:32:03
  Yeah. With that sporty haircut, Yes.
• 1:32:06
  His sporty haircut and Logan. Has a little Elvis Dippity Doo
• 1:32:10
  on top of his head as well of the time I think I sported
• 1:32:14
  something similar. Both of them, Mr. Vegas.
• 1:32:18
  Yeah, Hunter gives some, you know, just blanket statement
• 1:32:21
  about. How he likes it there now, now
• 1:32:23
  that they have the houses. It's helped a lot, and he has a
• 1:32:25
  place that feels like home. And Aspen chimes in.
• 1:32:29
  It's nice to be all together before they go on to their next
• 1:32:32
  chapters of life. And you know, that makes sense,
• 1:32:35
  yeah. Tamron then asks how college has
• 1:32:38
  helped. Logan spread his.
• 1:32:39
  Wings. Was that Robyn?
• 1:32:43
  Bird beat. Comes around the corner.
• 1:32:46
  Somebody mentioned a bird. Did someone say something about
• 1:32:50
  spreading your wings? Oh my God, Logan says.
• 1:32:56
  Once you get out on your own and
• 1:32:59
  Decisions. I distance myself from the
• 1:33:01
  family a little bit because I wanted to do something without
• 1:33:04
  my parents guidance for a little
• 1:33:07
  people and mature a little bit.
• 1:33:10
  Far more mature than unreasonable than anything the
• 1:33:16
  you definitely did something right there for sure.
• 1:33:19
  Snaps. Snaps all around for that kid.
• 1:33:26
  People that he went to college with around this time and maybe
• 1:33:30
  the 1st girl he ever dated or I don't know.
• 1:33:34
  I just think he's probably a very respectable, like
• 1:33:37
  respectful young man towards women while also not being
• 1:33:43
  uppity because, you know, we've the bull shirt of it all the
• 1:33:49
  swearing that he did and the trying to act out against the
• 1:33:53
  parents. We know that he's got a good
• 1:33:55
  sense of humor. We know he's not uppity and we
• 1:34:01
  So I'm just curious what his college experience was actually
• 1:34:06
  like. And I applaud him yet again for
• 1:34:10
  putting distance between himself and the show.
• 1:34:13
  But I would be curious to have a memoir from him as well, along
• 1:34:21
  'S story would be so. Good.
• 1:34:23
  So good, then Tamron has to ask what everyone has been dying.
• 1:34:28
  To know, especially after all that chastity talk earlier.
• 1:34:32
  Has anyone taken their chastity belt off yet?
• 1:34:36
  Is anyone dating the chastity belt?
• 1:34:40
  Oh, she didn't. Say that, did she?
• 1:34:43
  I'm so sorry. I.
• 1:34:44
  Just love it. I just got a visual of.
• 1:34:48
  Logan wearing a chastity belt, man in the iron mask style.
• 1:34:52
  Unlock that chastity. Belt let that man free.
• 1:34:56
  I know Leon says that eventually they will date Buzzkill Leon the
• 1:35:06
  I've been, well, you know, I've been on a date.
• 1:35:09
  I haven't dated. I've been on dates and Tamron
• 1:35:13
  asks about. Kody and the boys, but.
• 1:35:16
  Also the girls you know if you're going to bring someone
• 1:35:19
  around, some floozy or some tramp.
• 1:35:23
  Gigolo some gigolo, some young person.
• 1:35:26
  That Kody's not. All that familiar with what does
• 1:35:31
  Does he scare everybody?
• 1:35:33
  And they say if someone has good
• 1:35:36
  that he's not shy to share his
• 1:35:40
  that they do have good character.
• 1:35:42
  Which I love because I'm just imagining Kody meeting someone
• 1:35:44
  for 5 minutes and coming to some
• 1:35:47
  And typical dad role but even worse because he's fucking Kody.
• 1:35:50
  Oh God, there's nothing more awkward than being a girl and.
• 1:35:53
  Introducing a boy to your dad,
• 1:35:59
  Well, so cringy, Tamron says to Mckelty.
• 1:36:02
  I don't think it helps things when you say you.
• 1:36:03
  Want a completely pierced and tattooed body which I love.
• 1:36:10
  Completely pierced and. Tattooed body.
• 1:36:13
  Like what a phrase, God, Mckelsey says.
• 1:36:16
  I think my mom loses sleep over me because I'm so curious.
• 1:36:20
  I want to be like the wild child, but I'm not at all.
• 1:36:24
  And Tamron asks why do you want to be the wild child?
• 1:36:28
  And Maddie interrupts by saying attention, attention.
• 1:36:32
  And then Mckelty and Maddie say.
• 1:36:34
  Attention. At the same time, which was
• 1:36:37
  funny because in between all of this, I said out loud,
• 1:36:40
  attention, like it's so obvious. Mckelty just is so desperate for
• 1:36:45
  because like we just talked about.
• 1:36:47
  Earlier, with the wives having to manipulate to get what they
• 1:36:56
  orchid and needs more attention than some of the other
• 1:37:01
  dandelions children. And she had to figure out a way
• 1:37:04
  to get it. You know she's got to scare her
• 1:37:07
  mom every now and then with the tattoo talk and the piercing
• 1:37:11
  talk because God forbid we getting tattoos even though
• 1:37:16
  she's well acknowledging. That she actually isn't that
• 1:37:18
  much of A wild child. She's doing it literally for
• 1:37:21
  attention. Yeah.
• 1:37:22
  And? Tamron asked.
• 1:37:23
  So next season, will we see you having piercings and tattoos?
• 1:37:27
  And. But Kelsey says no, I don't
• 1:37:29
  think I'll have either until I'm at least 20.
• 1:37:31
  And I was like scratching my head going 20.
• 1:37:34
  Why that age? Why is this the number
• 1:37:36
  Mckelthey? No.
• 1:37:38
  No matter how much I try to give her a pass, I just can't.
• 1:37:41
  And then there's a little bit of a turn, Tamron says.
• 1:37:44
  Your dad said this season, this season.
• 1:37:47
  Just pointing that out. Once again, Tamron making a
• 1:37:50
  reference to this season as if the season is done, that he
• 1:37:53
  didn't think about the impact going public would have on you
• 1:37:59
  saying that now? This is actually a good
• 1:38:01
  question. It is.
• 1:38:01
  We're actually getting a good question from Tamron in general.
• 1:38:06
  better place now that they're public.
• 1:38:08
  You know, they can claim each other as siblings publicly.
• 1:38:12
  Logan also talks about walking
• 1:38:15
  confidence that comes from being
• 1:38:18
  which I once again, like, fucking yes, Logan.
• 1:38:21
  There's something about becoming
• 1:38:24
  your family. It doesn't even have to be a
• 1:38:26
  polygamous family. Escaping your fucking family and
• 1:38:28
  becoming a person and being like, I can be comfortable with
• 1:38:31
  who I am and I don't need to be shamed about the things that my
• 1:38:33
  parents think I should have been
• 1:38:35
  And it is cool that now that they're public, Logan can
• 1:38:40
  acknowledge who his family is.
• 1:38:43
  college. Do you really have to talk about
• 1:38:46
  your family and your background all that much?
• 1:38:48
  I'm assuming not. But I'm assuming when it does
• 1:38:50
  come up, when you're forming relationships, friendships,
• 1:38:52
  romantic, whatever, that you can
• 1:38:57
  that they couldn't when they weren't public.
• 1:38:58
  Well, and even Leon concedes there's no way we'd be.
• 1:39:02
  Where we are at now. Oh yeah, so insightful.
• 1:39:08
  One thing about Leon that I noticed is that.
• 1:39:10
  Their appearance is also a little bit changed from, I
• 1:39:14
  shouldn't say changed. Leon is more put together.
• 1:39:17
  The hair is done, the makeup's
• 1:39:20
  I feel like Leon might have had a switch between filming of
• 1:39:23
  this season and to, well, the first half of this season to
• 1:39:28
  this tell all. And maybe it actually is just
• 1:39:30
  tell all. Maybe there was hair and makeup,
• 1:39:32
  but Leon looks a little more like I'm on film, I'm being
• 1:39:36
  filmed, I'm put together, my hair is away, my makeup's away,
• 1:39:40
  I'm sitting a certain way. I just picked up on this put
• 1:39:43
  together vibe from Leon. Not sure Leon wasn't wearing
• 1:39:46
  that cut off Jean vest with. Their farmer's hand showing and
• 1:39:51
  let me take top that Jean vest.
• 1:39:55
  Appalling Leon. Looks like their purity has
• 1:39:58
  reemerged. Reemerged.
• 1:40:00
  Ridiculous. Maddie.
• 1:40:03
  Talks about how she can publicly.
• 1:40:06
  Claim her siblings. People know at my school who my
• 1:40:10
  siblings are. I can walk around the halls and
• 1:40:14
  acknowledge my siblings. That's a pretty big deal.
• 1:40:17
  Yeah, it's a big deal. It is a big deal.
• 1:40:20
  Can you imagine not being able? To acknowledge.
• 1:40:23
  Your own brothers when you were in school, That would be weird.
• 1:40:27
  I mean, I think that they
• 1:40:28
  probably would have. Loved if we weren't acknowledged
• 1:40:31
  as siblings. Oh my sister for sure tried to
• 1:40:34
  pretend that we weren't siblings.
• 1:40:35
  I mean, it's funny with our own lenses to be like, yeah, I.
• 1:40:38
  Think that my brothers would have been perfectly fine with
• 1:40:40
  not being related to me, but yeah, it would have been very
• 1:40:44
  different. Well, we just took it for
• 1:40:46
  granted because of our privilege, Christopher.
• 1:40:48
  Because we are not from a plague
• 1:40:51
  We just took that so much for granted.
• 1:40:54
  Well, plus when you were destined to be a standout and.
• 1:40:57
  Different from the beginning, right?
• 1:40:59
  It's hard to identify with your siblings that wish they would
• 1:41:02
  have never been related to you
• 1:41:07
  Oh my God. And of course, this line of
• 1:41:10
  questioning now has to go into
• 1:41:12
  Plans at this point on being polygamist and Leon raises their
• 1:41:18
  hand. None of the other kids raise
• 1:41:20
  their hand. Aspen says they're on a journey
• 1:41:23
  of discovery and research about their own life.
• 1:41:26
  Mckelty wants to fall in love and have their partnership
• 1:41:29
  decide what's best for them. I feel like this is a rather
• 1:41:33
  mature response from Mckelty. Yeah, not confirming nor
• 1:41:38
  denying. I feel.
• 1:41:39
  Like, of course, it's leaning a little more, you know, No, but
• 1:41:43
  you know, who am I going to fall
• 1:41:45
  And we should build our life the
• 1:41:47
  life. Yep.
• 1:41:48
  And we'll decide it together. I honestly think that's more
• 1:41:50
  mature. Than I probably would have said
• 1:41:52
  at that age. So I hate to give it to her, but
• 1:41:55
  good one Mckelty Maddie wants to
• 1:41:59
  Monogamist only only. I love that Maddie just.
• 1:42:03
  Knows. And Logan is pretty certain
• 1:42:08
  Hunter hasn't thought about it
• 1:42:11
  At all at all. And that pretty much wraps up
• 1:42:15
  our. Time with the elder brown
• 1:42:17
  children. When we return from this last
• 1:42:20
  commercial break of the episode,
• 1:42:24
  on the couch and she poses. The question that often comes up
• 1:42:29
  is if Kody is interested in taking on 1/5 wife.
• 1:42:34
  Ladies, does it bother you that other women may hit on Kody
• 1:42:38
  when he's out or may think he's hitting on them?
• 1:42:42
  Oh, God forbid. Christine says people joke about
• 1:42:46
  being the fifth wife all of the time, but it's not funny, Kody
• 1:42:51
  says. It disrespects us and all the
• 1:42:54
  work we've done disrespectful and Chrissy.
• 1:42:58
  Literally double S down like it's.
• 1:43:00
  Offensive. I'm sorry.
• 1:43:02
  The girl lighten up like take a fucking chill pill.
• 1:43:05
  No one is literally getting on
• 1:43:08
  proposed to me like it's fucking
• 1:43:10
  It's a joke. Tamron makes the mortal mistake
• 1:43:13
  of saying like your. Swingers and Kody says we are
• 1:43:17
  not swingers. It is not an open marriage.
• 1:43:21
  We are not swingers. Christine talks about these
• 1:43:23
  playful questions. Cheapening their relationships.
• 1:43:27
  I think at this point I started yawning and like looking around
• 1:43:30
  the room going, are we really talking about this?
• 1:43:33
  Do we really think anyone is trying to cheapen their
• 1:43:36
  relationships some? You know, for Christine being so
• 1:43:39
  silly and giddy and the little
• 1:43:42
  she is, it's like you're taking this a little bit too seriously
• 1:43:45
  here, honey, don't nibble on Kody's ear.
• 1:43:47
  Calm down, little fairy Christine.
• 1:43:49
  Give a little nip, a little bite
• 1:43:53
  fuck out. Of course, we have to hear from
• 1:43:56
  Robyn. She has to let us all know that
• 1:43:59
  their relationships are eternal and very serious.
• 1:44:05
  Oh God, we made a commitment in our religion to be eternal.
• 1:44:10
  And when someone says can I be
• 1:44:14
  sweetie, you have no idea. This is a celestial commitment.
• 1:44:23
  God damn Robyn hitting us with
• 1:44:28
  This is definitely celestial. It is.
• 1:44:31
  Not of this world, no. Not at all.
• 1:44:34
  Not at all. And of course, she's flying
• 1:44:38
  high, crashing. Low.
• 1:44:42
  Of course Kody has to crack a joke about being high
• 1:44:44
  maintenance. And I had to say, duh, like,
• 1:44:49
  Kody is high maintenance. So anyone who would joke about
• 1:44:52
  being a fifth wife in their family has to know, just so you
• 1:44:55
  know, what you're getting yourself into here is a high
• 1:44:57
  maintenance man. You do not want to be a part of
• 1:45:00
  this celestial union, Kody says.
• 1:45:02
  I think we're a very functional family, right?
• 1:45:05
  Now I'm not looking. We don't go looking.
• 1:45:09
  And Tamron jokes, Well, there's more room on that couch over
• 1:45:13
  there. We've got Christine and Meri and
• 1:45:21
  Can I get another pillow? Just looking around to the
• 1:45:24
  production team and Kody kind of
• 1:45:29
  And says to answer the. Question.
• 1:45:30
  Seriously, there's there's no fifth life.
• 1:45:35
  But he doesn't say no. He also says that he wasn't
• 1:45:38
  looking when he met Robyn. Yeah, dot dot, dot.
• 1:45:43
  Yeah. So he's leaving an open-ended.
• 1:45:44
  He just kind of leaves it there.
• 1:45:46
  But we just move on. Quickly again from the.
• 1:45:49
  Fact that he's kind of giving us a non answer and we're going to
• 1:45:55
  talk about the most pivotal moment of this entire series
• 1:46:02
  thus far, the sculpture therapy where they had to sculpt with
• 1:46:09
  their bodies and stand in vicinity around Kody to where
• 1:46:12
  they felt they were in the family in their current
• 1:46:18
  situation. Christine, were you happy about
• 1:46:20
  the marriage counseling? She says Oh no.
• 1:46:22
  And Meri says she wants to live in her.
• 1:46:25
  And both Christine and Meri say at the same time, rose colored
• 1:46:33
  And everybody knows that. And Christine says, but I know
• 1:46:39
  And she glances down at her necklace that has the silver and
• 1:46:51
  I don't even know. I don't even know.
• 1:46:53
  Do you think Kody was manipulating her?
• 1:46:54
  Like wear this on your neck every.
• 1:46:56
  Day and when you're feeling dark, you just think about this.
• 1:47:02
  and it's here. You're supposed to have a sunny
• 1:47:04
  disposition, Christine keeps. Sweet.
• 1:47:06
  And when you reference your dark
• 1:47:08
  Down at your bosom and she's. Just like nibbling on her own
• 1:47:11
  hand with her little fairy. Bites and when Chris and when
• 1:47:18
  Christine does this glance down at.
• 1:47:21
  Her necklace that's supposed to remind her that she's half
• 1:47:24
  evil. Robyn is cackling.
• 1:47:28
  Like. A lunatic on the other couch
• 1:47:30
  because of this back and forth. She thinks it's so funny, the
• 1:47:33
  Rose colored world and the dark side.
• 1:47:35
  And she's like almost as funny as caramels.
• 1:47:40
  Taking them from a store and passing them off as my owner.
• 1:47:47
  Yeah, Robyn, I have new suggestion for your most
• 1:47:50
  embarrassing. Moments.
• 1:47:51
  It's when you cackled like a lunatic when Christine was
• 1:47:53
  referencing that she has to embrace her dark side.
• 1:47:57
  My God, get that beak out of here, bitch.
• 1:48:00
  Hot off the heels of Robyn missing the.
• 1:48:03
  Opportunity to be brought to an insane asylum.
• 1:48:06
  Dipshit. Tamron Tees up the clip of them
• 1:48:11
  doing this body sculpture exercise at their marriage
• 1:48:14
  retreat. And so we have to see that blah
• 1:48:16
  blah blah. Christine acknowledges that it
• 1:48:22
  which we saw visually and we experienced.
• 1:48:24
  And then Meri says it was hard for me to.
• 1:48:28
  I felt I needed to be careful. I wanted to be vulnerable, but I
• 1:48:36
  says. So are we not seeing the real
• 1:48:39
  Meri? And there was a long pause while
• 1:48:43
  Meri pondered. And she says, I think you are,
• 1:48:48
  but there's more that you're not
• 1:48:54
  What I love is anyone could say that about any scenario where
• 1:48:57
  you're not saying anything. OK, whatever.
• 1:48:59
  Thanks for giving us the details, Mayor.
• 1:49:01
  But not only no details, but we're not seeing the real Meri.
• 1:49:05
  Things are happening in her life
• 1:49:08
  It's weird because she's putting
• 1:49:12
  Where she's looking straight at the camera saying I'm the
• 1:49:14
  happiest I've ever been. There is no bomb under my butt
• 1:49:19
  right now about to explode. If I don't say this, I'm happy,
• 1:49:22
  happy, happy. She's also saying, oh, maybe
• 1:49:26
  you're not seeing all of me. Maybe you're not seeing the text
• 1:49:30
  messages I'm sending? To someone named Sam, but you
• 1:49:34
  know whatever. They show us the clip of Kody
• 1:49:38
  and the. Wives getting to the hard
• 1:49:40
  hitting question of if he died, would they stay together today?
• 1:49:47
  And Tamron says, do you think that you would stay together if
• 1:49:52
  Kody died? And they kind of say yes, Yeah.
• 1:50:00
  Meri says she thinks they would.
• 1:50:03
  Janelle says, I don't foresee anything different, which is
• 1:50:06
  such a Janelle resource. I don't foresee anything
• 1:50:09
  different. OK, Janelle and Christine says,
• 1:50:11
  but that's Plan B. Like if Kody dies, it's Plan B.
• 1:50:16
  Yeah, yeah, obviously it's Plan
• 1:50:18
  B. It's weird.
• 1:50:19
  Because they. In.
• 1:50:22
  The therapy moment of this, we're all aghast and like you
• 1:50:30
  could tell on their faces that
• 1:50:34
  And then I think after that probably happened, they had a
• 1:50:38
  family discussion behind the scenes and we're like, we need
• 1:50:41
  to be on the same page about this.
• 1:50:42
  We can't let that happen or our cracks show in that way again.
• 1:50:46
  And it's coming out now where they're trying to present a
• 1:50:50
  unified front. No, we would all stay together
• 1:50:52
  if Kody died even though the vibes are still the same of.
• 1:50:57
  Yeah, none of these women are in
• 1:51:00
  enthusiastic about your husband dying, but the result of a
• 1:51:04
  death like that, none of them are actually like, well, I
• 1:51:07
  think if you've referenced The Golden Girls, you know, I
• 1:51:10
  would see a reaction if you were actually in that position of
• 1:51:13
  feeling like I would love to spend the rest of my life with
• 1:51:15
  you regardless of if my spouse died.
• 1:51:17
  And you'd be like, well, I envision US buying a house in
• 1:51:19
  Miami and being like The Golden Girls.
• 1:51:21
  Like there's nothing like that. There's no humanity here.
• 1:51:24
  It's just, yeah, yes. I don't see anything different
• 1:51:29
  better camaraderie with my girlfriends and with.
• 1:51:31
  You than they do if my husband, God forbid, were to die and I'm
• 1:51:36
  in my 50s and my kids are off at school and I would looking at
• 1:51:46
  something together? Where are we at right now?
• 1:51:48
  I would be like, how long do I wait after the funeral before I
• 1:51:51
  say? So am I moving in with you
• 1:51:53
  right. Buying a house, like what are we
• 1:52:01
  I see. I see where I am.
• 1:52:03
  See this is where I. AM.
• 1:52:04
  In Kimber's life, everyone. On the help but yeah and you
• 1:52:08
  could use my Robyn Ness you. Could use my validation, but
• 1:52:12
  honey, I don't want you to feel like you need to validate me.
• 1:52:16
  I just. Want you to do it.
• 1:52:17
  I wouldn't though. I just wouldn't.
• 1:52:19
  It wouldn't be. It wouldn't put me out at.
• 1:52:21
  All that's so true. There's none of that real
• 1:52:24
  organic friendship. Vibes here at all, which is just
• 1:52:28
  And as we come to a close of this episode.
• 1:52:31
  Of course. The question, I shouldn't say,
• 1:52:37
  commitment ceremony that we've all heard a little about, but we
• 1:52:43
  bringing this up as if it's a future thing that I guess we're
• 1:52:45
  supposed to know. It's a future thing.
• 1:52:46
  I don't know. Whatever.
• 1:52:47
  And she asks, are you all in? What will it be like?
• 1:52:53
  And Kody says it's a party. It's.
• 1:52:56
  Basically an. Inauguration, inauguration of
• 1:52:59
  our family mission statement. And you know, I got to give
• 1:53:04
  Janelle some props here because she follows after Kody by saying
• 1:53:10
  Come on. She's like, I want it to be
• 1:53:13
  memorable. I want it to be cool.
• 1:53:16
  I want to wear the dresses, a fun formal gown and I love it
• 1:53:20
  because here's this reference of the dresses that I don't.
• 1:53:24
  This is where it's even more confusing about how this season
• 1:53:28
  happened because they make dresses for the ceremony.
• 1:53:31
  They have custom made dresses made for them, which is filmed
• 1:53:44
  already been filmed? Now, just so you know, this
• 1:53:47
  triggered me into going what the fuck?
• 1:53:49
  And I went up to the last episode of this season, which is
• 1:53:57
  clothes they're. On a different set OK.
• 1:54:00
  So I don't know what has been filmed before this mid season
• 1:54:05
  tell all, but it seems like Tamron is referencing things
• 1:54:09
  that are going to happen in the future.
• 1:54:11
  Janelle's giving us some, I don't know, spoilers about a
• 1:54:16
  dress and a thing. They might have only planned it,
• 1:54:22
  muffled to the already muddy situation.
• 1:54:23
  It could have been a pickup or a lead to the next season.
• 1:54:27
  They kind. Of had her, they could have
• 1:54:29
  ended it one way, yeah. And then this could have been
• 1:54:32
  the second scenario that if we continue the season, if we get
• 1:54:38
  Like they have ways of filming things to lead to different
• 1:54:45
  scenarios. So I think that's what's
• 1:54:47
  happening here. And, and they definitely could
• 1:54:51
  To do these things and haven't done them, I just think there's
• 1:54:55
  plenty of clarity not given in this whole fucking season about
• 1:54:59
  what's really happening. But what you know, whatever,
• 1:55:02
  Robyn, it's going to be more formal and fancy them a little
• 1:55:10
  More fancy than that. I doubt it.
• 1:55:14
  I doubt it. I doubt it, darling.
• 1:55:15
  Oh my gosh. I'm just imagining what tote
• 1:55:18
  that's not in a tote. Robyn probably has that in a
• 1:55:20
  mausoleum or something. He probably has its own shrine
• 1:55:31
  beautiful. It's going to be fun.
• 1:55:34
  These adjectives beautiful and. Fun you.
• 1:55:38
  Know she thanks them all for being open and.
• 1:55:41
  Candid and. Then that's the end of the
• 1:55:43
  episode. Now I already said that I went
• 1:55:50
  second tell all was much different.
• 1:55:51
  And it did appear to be much different as far as aesthetics,
• 1:55:54
  what they're wearing, where they were.
• 1:55:55
  That doesn't really mean anything.
• 1:55:56
  They could just go to the next trailer over the next studio
• 1:55:59
  over and change clothes. So I just don't know really when
• 1:56:07
  Yeah, let's just pretend it happened when it happened in the
• 1:56:15
  about the commitment ceremony at this point.
• 1:56:17
  Weren't wasn't it just kind of casually referenced that it was
• 1:56:20
  going to happen? It was mentioned that they were
• 1:56:24
  planning. On it.
• 1:56:25
  And it was part of the reason that they did the therapy to
• 1:56:29
  finish the mission statement, to work towards this recommitment
• 1:56:40
  That's right. That's pretty much it, yeah.
• 1:56:42
  That's yeah. There wasn't really any other
• 1:56:44
  planning or something so. I guess it is.
• 1:56:46
  Teeing it up for us for Part 2 of the season.
• 1:56:48
  I do love that Kody references it as a party and it of course
• 1:56:54
  Well, it's always weird with these tell alls and these Q&A
• 1:56:58
  episodes for Mustard Seed and Shit Stain, but we've got to do
• 1:57:01
  it. It is the law.
• 1:57:03
  God has commanded it from above and we do not question God on
• 1:57:07
  this podcast. So Kimber, mustard seed or shit
• 1:57:09
  stain, where would you like to start today?
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  I'm going to start with my mustard seed because I know I'm
• 1:57:15
  going to steal yours. Oh, God.
• 1:57:17
  And it's going to be Logan. God damn it.
• 1:57:20
  Yeah, I knew it. Yeah.
• 1:57:22
  Little devil horns here. This is how when they say.
• 1:57:25
  Women first. Ladies first.
• 1:57:27
  Ladies first, I should even diminish more Girls 1st it's
• 1:57:31
  just fetuses. First, it's.
• 1:57:33
  It. Sucks having a penis.
• 1:57:35
  And a really. Fucking big one because you just
• 1:57:42
  Yeah. OK.
• 1:57:42
  All right, Logan, sitting over your tits up, ready to talk
• 1:57:46
  about Logan. Brown.
• 1:57:47
  I've got my tits up talking about Logan Brown too.
• 1:57:51
  You know, obviously he just. Is the best thing that ever came
• 1:58:02
  when Leon didn't really deserve it, trying to smooth things
• 1:58:07
  over. He had the best well-rounded
• 1:58:10
  responses. He replied to things better than
• 1:58:17
  don't think anything else needs to be said that it is just
• 1:58:22
  obviously going to go to the king of Vegas when Logan Brown,
• 1:58:27
  I would have included that. He's a handsome young man.
• 1:58:31
  But that's just me. Yes, yes.
• 1:58:33
  So Speaking of being a man and. Having to take the hard.
• 1:58:37
  Road while the woman sits by idly.
• 1:58:39
  I'm going to have to give my mustard seed to Mckelty to
• 1:58:45
  Mckelty, Brown, Shucketh and the.
• 1:58:48
  Reason I'm giving my mustard. Seed to Mckelty Brown on this
• 1:58:50
  episode is because I was so surprised.
• 1:58:52
  I was pleased by my surprise when she referenced not actually
• 1:59:04
  appearance of a wild child. I'm into it.
• 1:59:09
  I kind of identify with it. I kind of feel like in my lot in
• 1:59:20
  an outsider and to be someone that isn't the norm.
• 1:59:24
  And so I've adopted things that are a bit alternative or wild
• 1:59:29
  child vibes. I think I was misunderstood a
• 1:59:31
  lot, and I think that was interpreted as being rebellious
• 1:59:34
  or being other than when in all reality, I was just doing what
• 1:59:42
  And I also do, oh God, at times in my life feel like I would
• 1:59:47
  like to be a little bit more Wilder out there than I actually
• 1:59:53
  Being unique is just your cross to bear, Christopher.
• 1:59:56
  And, you know, the sooner you come to terms with it, the
• 2:00:00
  better. You're just so unique and
• 2:00:03
  special. And you just need to embrace it
• 2:00:06
  and just let it be who you are. And don't let it weigh on your
• 2:00:15
  I'm not going to turn Mckelty's mustard seed.
• 2:00:17
  Oh, I should have had Mckelty's mustard seed be all about me.
• 2:00:21
  Mckelty, you get a mustard seed and that's all I'm going to say.
• 2:00:25
  Love it. Yeah.
• 2:00:26
  I love that for you. Thank you.
• 2:00:28
  Love that for you. I've earned that.
• 2:00:31
  Mustard seed from. Celtic, you did.
• 2:00:33
  Darling, you did OK. Who's getting your smear, honey?
• 2:00:37
  Who's getting your shit stain?
• 2:00:42
  Going to go to Robyn Brown. Good choice because she.
• 2:00:47
  Kept interrupting. Filming with her beak and her.
• 2:00:54
  Can you imagine how hard it is
• 2:00:58
  all the time in the background
• 2:01:02
  flapping of the wings coming up behind you and you're just
• 2:01:05
  like, fuck. There she is again, Robyn.
• 2:01:07
  Quiet on the set. Quiet on set, Robyn.
• 2:01:10
  She's flapping in. She's.
• 2:01:12
  Coming on down that phoenix rising from the ashes, beautiful
• 2:01:18
  Robyn. Fire sounds.
• 2:01:19
  Her coming up from hell, her wings flapping from hell, not
• 2:01:24
  from hell. God, Robyn, you're so fucking
• 2:01:27
  noisy all the time and it's just
• 2:01:30
  editors. But really, truly, she rags on
• 2:01:34
  her axe again and she is bringing out that Habsburg
• 2:01:41
  square jaw every chance that she
• 2:01:45
  in those person on person views that we see, or whatever the
• 2:01:50
  fuck you call them, picture in
• 2:01:55
  Views. Sorry.
• 2:01:57
  Person in person, God, it's like.
• 2:02:00
  Can she just not let? Anyone else have a moment?
• 2:02:04
  I just, I don't know. There's so many things that she
• 2:02:08
  has done during this tell all,
• 2:02:13
  with the beak and the wings and the flapping and the cawing.
• 2:02:16
  And I just, I'm like, can you just shut the fuck up, honey?
• 2:02:19
  Just shut the fuck up. Let someone else have the stage
• 2:02:22
  for a moment. Yeah, anytime anyone else has
• 2:02:25
  the spotlight has a. Moment is talking, she's got to
• 2:02:29
  interject with her two cents which aren't even worth 2 cents.
• 2:02:34
  She tries to just wrap things up
• 2:02:38
  Make everything sound better or stand up for Kody and just
• 2:02:44
  yeah, I feel like there's something to workshop.
• 2:02:47
  With Robyn meeting mansplaining,
• 2:02:53
  I guess it's not, I don't know, but it kind of is because she's
• 2:02:56
  doing it for Kody. She's doing it.
• 2:02:58
  Like in defense of Kody all the time.
• 2:03:00
  So it's a it's mansplaining, but
• 2:03:05
  knows he can't do it himself, right?
• 2:03:07
  So she's got to do it for him and make him good, capable of
• 2:03:13
  mansplain God. These guys are.
• 2:03:16
  Insufferable. He does sometimes, but when he
• 2:03:22
  at it she's like it's my turn like Oh my God I'm going to put
• 2:03:26
  my big boy panties on now and I'm going to do.
• 2:03:28
  It for him. God Robyn wearing the big boy
• 2:03:32
  panties. Robyn's BBP.
• 2:03:35
  My God. Well, OK, so my shit stain this
• 2:03:40
  episode is going to Meri Brown. I feel like over the course of
• 2:03:50
  relationship with Meri Brown. Of course, sometimes I get her
• 2:03:59
  highlighted multiple times. Her disconnect from everybody
• 2:04:02
  else. Yeah.
• 2:04:03
  Her siloed Ness. Her.
• 2:04:06
  I'm going. To pretend to be a victim or I'm
• 2:04:14
  pretending to love, pretending to be engaged.
• 2:04:17
  The fact that she has 17 children in her family, so if
• 2:04:21
  the one that is her biological child is leaving, there's still
• 2:04:25
  16 others. And OK, so let's just round it
• 2:04:33
  faux Robyn wings and really embrace and help raise as a
• 2:04:37
  supposed mother to them. That's all out the door.
• 2:04:40
  She's too busy texting a stranger from the Internet.
• 2:04:43
  Fuck Meri Brown, even though sometimes I love you Mayor, fuck
• 2:04:49
  Now I know we started this episode off by saying.
• 2:04:51
  That it was probably. Going to be easy, breezy,
• 2:04:53
  beautiful cover girls, could be quick and fast and all of that
• 2:05:01
  It can never be easy. Especially with me and my.
• 2:05:05
  Big beak and my fucking. Loudmouth.
• 2:05:07
  Jesus Christ, I'm so sorry. I kept trying to wrap it up and
• 2:05:11
  I'm like, OK, Kimber just got to pull a Robyn here.
• 2:05:13
  Just got to keep going. Round Robyn.
• 2:05:15
  Round Robyn. But for those of you that have
• 2:05:22
  our Keep Sweet moment this week, which is on Apple Podcast
• 2:05:27
  from Ainsley. Thank you Ainsley, their review
• 2:05:30
  of our show is titled I Nominate Y'all for My Mustard
• 2:05:35
  Seed. Isn't that cute?
• 2:05:36
  That's cute and clever. Ainsley says.
• 2:05:39
  I am a huge Sister Wives fan and
• 2:05:43
  I've caught up on every other Sister Wives podcast and was in
• 2:05:46
  a bit of a Sister Wives content drought.
• 2:05:49
  My mom recommended you guys to
• 2:05:53
  Thank you both for making me laugh.
• 2:05:55
  Keep it up. Hand heart emoji, like the hand
• 2:05:58
  heart I made earlier, and that
• 2:06:02
  I love it. I love God, I said sweet.
• 2:06:05
  I regret every time we say sweet
• 2:06:07
  But really, thank you Ainsley for the nice feedback.
• 2:06:10
  It actually is sweet. That's actually super cute.
• 2:06:14
  They know I love that. Your mom suggested us and that
• 2:06:18
  you're listening. And you're not going?
• 2:06:20
  Oh my gosh, my mom should never suggest anything to me ever
• 2:06:23
  again. So great.
• 2:06:25
  Love that you've. Caught up on our episodes I
• 2:06:28
  love. That me and my mom are biffles.
• 2:06:30
  You know best. Friends for lives.
• 2:06:32
  I love this for you, Ainsley, and it just warms my cockles,
• 2:06:36
  you know, and I just want us all
• 2:06:40
  breath, put on our affliction shirts with the wings on the
• 2:06:44
  backs and go fit down and fly out into the sunset.
• 2:06:51
  Doesn't that just what's an Affliction shirt?