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The Five Of Us From Author Sian Gilbert The Mystery Drama And Rebuilding Of The Lost · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 1: How are you doing today?
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  Speaker 2: Hi, I'm great.
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  Speaker 1: How are you?
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely. This this right here is a book that
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  Speaker 1: I've been waiting for for I would say six, six
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  Speaker 1: years because I mean, this this is a continuation. But
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  Speaker 1: the thing about it is, is that once the COVID
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  Speaker 1: thing fell off the map, I mean, everybody quit talking
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  Speaker 1: about it. And I love the fact that you're writing
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  Speaker 1: a story about the effects of it and where we
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  Speaker 1: could be even today.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm so glad you said that because it's funny.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of people with this book have said, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how I feel about a COVID book.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure I'm ready for a COVID book. And
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: What this book is about, that people are very eager
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  Speaker 3: to obviously forget it. And I understand that because it
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  Speaker 3: was a very difficult time for a lot of people.
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  Speaker 3: It was difficult for me as well. But it was
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  Speaker 3: a very monumentous time and it feels strange to just
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  Speaker 3: completely forget about it.
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  Speaker 2: And not acknowledge what happened and the changes it made to.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone I gotta tell you how I can really relate
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  Speaker 1: with this story is because I was still that jock
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  Speaker 1: that that guy that did the interviews during the lockdown
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  Speaker 1: and and you know you I realize you're talking about
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  Speaker 1: young adults here but all of these musicians and authors
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  Speaker 1: and directors and stuff were like children and and it
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  Speaker 1: was like to have an interview with them during that
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  Speaker 1: time period was was exactly how these guys were reacting
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  Speaker 1: in this story. They didn't know about the future. They
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  Speaker 1: didn't know what was next. And I think that's my
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  Speaker 1: relating here, is that I know what we went through
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  Speaker 1: as broadcasters, and then to have this story, I'm going,
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  Speaker 1: oh my God, you were right there with us. Although
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  Speaker 1: you're talking about young adults, but real people were acting
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  Speaker 1: the same exact way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean, in the second half of the book, obviously,
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  Speaker 3: when they grow up, that's kind of also the point
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  Speaker 3: I was making there. It's not just the teenagers and
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  Speaker 3: the young adults, although a lot of my book is
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  Speaker 3: about how their generation was affected. But yeah, when they
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  Speaker 3: kind of reached that adulthood, all the other adults didn't
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  Speaker 3: know what the hell was going on either, you know? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you did something that was very interesting here that
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  Speaker 1: really should be plastered on somebody's T-shirt. And it's a
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  Speaker 1: coming-of-age story more along the lines of you have to
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  Speaker 1: instantly grow up. And boy, did we ever have to
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  Speaker 1: instantly grow up. Every one of us.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. It was... I mean.
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  Speaker 3: something that no one has ever gone through before so
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  Speaker 3: i have a lot of kind of understanding for why
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  Speaker 3: no one knew what was going on but yeah these
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  Speaker 3: kids it was very much oh that's it time's up
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  Speaker 3: now you need to just transition straight into adulthood and
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  Speaker 3: you don't get the same transitional points that all these
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  Speaker 3: other kids did every other year before.
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  Speaker 1: Them The book we're talking about is The Five of Us,
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  Speaker 1: so I've got to ask you a question because this
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  Speaker 1: is the vibe that I picked up immediately. It reminds
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  Speaker 1: me so much of The Outsiders meeting Rebel with a Cause.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much classic novelism here that it's
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  Speaker 1: one of those I couldn't put it down because, yes,
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  Speaker 1: it does remind me of the past, but at the
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  Speaker 1: same time, it gave me our own Rebel book.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, there definitely is a little bit of
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  Speaker 3: kind of taking from classic novels. I mean, a big
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  Speaker 3: inspiration for me with this one was The Secret History
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  Speaker 3: and that kind of group coming together.
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  Speaker 2: And obviously there's kind of dark academia spin on it.
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  Speaker 3: And there's something quite interesting about a group of people
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  Speaker 3: coming together in unusual circumstances and doing terrible things with
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  Speaker 3: those unusual circumstances.
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  Speaker 1: But you know what's interesting, though? I bet if you
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  Speaker 1: took a global poll, I'll bet you the majority of
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  Speaker 1: the people would love to go back to those days,
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  Speaker 1: even though every one of us were scared. The bejeebies
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  Speaker 1: were like going everywhere in every direction. And the thing
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  Speaker 1: about it is people don't want to talk about it,
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  Speaker 1: but they will read a book like this. But I
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  Speaker 1: bet you they would they would choose to go back
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  Speaker 1: there because in a really weird way, it was peaceful.
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  Speaker 2: I think for a lot of people that is true.
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  Speaker 3: And I think something that is becoming more prevalent now
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  Speaker 3: is people looking back at COVID and thinking, wow, that.
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  Speaker 2: Was a time when I really had a lot of.
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  Speaker 3: Time to dedicate to myself because there was obviously people
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  Speaker 3: weren't going into work. People were staying at home and
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  Speaker 3: it was very difficult. I don't know, what am I
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  Speaker 3: doing with my life? Like thinking about the decisions that
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  Speaker 3: you were making at that time.
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  Speaker 2: And there was just time to think about stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: Whereas when you're obviously going to work every day and
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  Speaker 3: you're in the real world, that disappears and you're just
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  Speaker 3: focusing on like, right, getting to the next day, getting
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  Speaker 3: to that. But COVID kind of very much just stopped
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  Speaker 3: everything in its tracks.
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  Speaker 1: Because I studied Native American spirituality and really I am
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  Speaker 1: a bird person when it comes to totem animals. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: look at your names. Crow, Wren, Starling, Goldie, Cuckoo. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it is Cuckoo, right? C-U-C-K-O-O? Or is it Cuckoo? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Cuckoo, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And the thing is, is that they're all birds. And
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  Speaker 1: so I have to ask you a couple of questions
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  Speaker 1: on this. Being a bird person, was Goldie named after
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  Speaker 1: Andrew Goldie, who was a big believer and lover of birds?
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  Speaker 1: Or is it the Golden Eagle when it comes to Goldie?
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  Speaker 3: So Goldie is named after the goldfinch, which actually isn't that,
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  Speaker 3: it's not kind of a bird that we really have
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  Speaker 3: that in the UK that much. And I found that
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  Speaker 3: quite interesting for her character in particular, because obviously I
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  Speaker 3: won't go into spoilers, but she stands out a little
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  Speaker 3: from the others in a certain way. So I deliberately
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  Speaker 3: kind of named her that, but also gave her the
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  Speaker 3: nickname Goldie to kind of separate her because the other
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  Speaker 3: ones obviously are their bird names. through and through but
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  Speaker 3: she is gold finch but they call her goldie.
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  Speaker 1: And when we're talking about about the gold finch here
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  Speaker 1: now i mean here in carolina we've got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of yellow gold finches is that what we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: because now you've really won me over because that is
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  Speaker 1: my all-time favorite wild finch oh.
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  Speaker 3: Well yes yeah yes the kind of bright yellow golden
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  Speaker 3: yeah gold finch that's Wow.
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  Speaker 1: See, now, I don't know what it is about that
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  Speaker 1: when you have something like that, because I know of
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  Speaker 1: the crow and the wren, and did I think of them,
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  Speaker 1: the ones that travel with me here in this forest?
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  Speaker 1: Of course I did. So therefore, I had an identity
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  Speaker 1: with every one of the characters inside this book, because
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now I was looking at them differently,
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  Speaker 1: because I knew what bird they were associated with. And
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  Speaker 1: now you've given me, see, that's what I want readers
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  Speaker 1: to do. Don't just read a paragraph and Go into it.
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  Speaker 1: Understand the author. Believe in what they're putting on that page.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 3: And there's a reason why they are these birds, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the original title of this book, actually, it's funny, was Fledglings,
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  Speaker 3: to kind of show that in between stage of them
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  Speaker 3: leaving the nest and not quite becoming fully fledged adults.
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  Speaker 3: And each of them, each bird that they are represents, obviously,
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  Speaker 3: the facets of their personality. And it was important to
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  Speaker 3: me to not ever reveal their kind of real names,
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  Speaker 3: because I wanted it to be as extractable as possible
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  Speaker 3: for any kind of young adult to feel like oh
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  Speaker 3: well i could represent crow for example or i could
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  Speaker 3: represent styling.
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  Speaker 1: Please do not move there's more with sean gilbert coming
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  Speaker 1: up next the name of the book the five of
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  Speaker 1: us the adventure the mystery the drama the whatever you
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  Speaker 1: want to call it trust me you're going to love
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  Speaker 1: it we are back with sean gilbert This is not
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  Speaker 1: a book that's going to sit here and tell the
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  Speaker 1: tale of five people who went through the COVID lockdown. No,
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  Speaker 1: there's a real honest to God story here. And I mean,
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  Speaker 1: and I mean, I mean, stalking a man because they
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  Speaker 1: killed the mom. Now we've got a mystery. Now we've
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  Speaker 1: got context.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So, so I want readers to know that this, this
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  Speaker 1: book really is a great novel to put into their collection.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 3: And it's funny because obviously, again, when people hear, oh,
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  Speaker 3: it's a COVID book, it's a lockdown book, I want
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  Speaker 3: to say to them, well, yes, but it is also
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  Speaker 3: a really fun thriller.
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  Speaker 2: There is a great plot here.
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  Speaker 3: These girls do terrible things and you all have fun
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  Speaker 3: with it. And yes, there's a deeper message behind it.
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  Speaker 3: But trust me, there's still twists and turns and they're
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  Speaker 3: great people.
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  Speaker 1: Well, see, and when the girls decided that they were
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  Speaker 1: going to sneak out, I got to tell you, as
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  Speaker 1: a former teen, and we've all been there, but as
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  Speaker 1: that former teen, I looked at, you know, sneaking out
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  Speaker 1: as being something you looked forward to. All right, now
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  Speaker 1: put them in COVID. Now get them into that lockdown mode.
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  Speaker 1: And you go, okay, you're looking forward to sneaking out?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the thing about it is that you nailed
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  Speaker 1: every emotion that's involved and what was required to make
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  Speaker 1: this novel into a great storyline.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think.
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  Speaker 3: Sneaking out as a teenager, it's something that you always
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  Speaker 3: kind of want to do, even if you never dare
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  Speaker 3: do it. And lockdown gave that perfect opportunity because these
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  Speaker 3: girls are well-behaved girls.
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  Speaker 2: They don't normally do anything out of the ordinary.
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  Speaker 3: They were very much expecting to just do their exams
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  Speaker 3: and that's that. So when it presents this opportunity, and
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  Speaker 3: of course it's Cuckoo, who is a little bit more
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  Speaker 3: on the wild side of the rest of them that
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  Speaker 3: suggests it, it's, yeah, like... This is the perfect opportunity
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  Speaker 3: to do something out of the ordinary because the world
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  Speaker 3: is out of the ordinary at the moment.
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  Speaker 1: So now in putting this together, one of the things
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  Speaker 1: that I'm so proud of you for doing is that
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  Speaker 1: you understand the different levels of where social media is.
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  Speaker 1: You created a book trailer and this right here, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I want listeners to go, go to the
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  Speaker 1: book trailer and I guarantee you're going to hit up
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  Speaker 1: Amazon or you're going to go to Barnes and Noble
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  Speaker 1: and you're going to get this book. But I love
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  Speaker 1: the idea that you went for the visual so that
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  Speaker 1: we could feel it as well as experience the book
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  Speaker 1: before diving in.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I have to.
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  Speaker 3: Thank my publisher Blackstone for that because they were behind
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  Speaker 3: that amazing book trailer and they very much linked up
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  Speaker 3: with me, with me creating kind of the social media videos.
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  Speaker 3: And I think I'm a millennial, so I'm not quite
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  Speaker 3: Gen Z. I'm not as up together on things like
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  Speaker 3: TikTok and stuff like that. But I feel like I
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  Speaker 3: am maybe closer to understanding that social media world. And
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  Speaker 3: I feel like from being a teacher, I saw a
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  Speaker 3: lot of the kind of first hand things with social media.
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  Speaker 2: So it was really nice to kind of have that
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  Speaker 2: as part of the promotion of my book for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Did you envision your readers to be your students since
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  Speaker 1: you are a teacher? Because I mean, I'm always doing that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out while I'm writing, who am
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  Speaker 1: I writing for? What is their name? What is their lifestyle?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, will they pick something up? Will they go, oh, wow,
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  Speaker 1: on a situation like this? Because I do feel like
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  Speaker 1: you're speaking or sharing a story with me. Anybody else?
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  Speaker 1: I don't care what they think. This book's for me.
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  Speaker 1: You wrote it for me.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's great to hear. Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: I think definitely the students that have since left school,
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  Speaker 3: I would be interested to know what they thought about
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  Speaker 3: this because they were the ones that obviously went through
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  Speaker 3: 2020 and missed out on all those things.
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  Speaker 2: It would be really interesting to.
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  Speaker 3: Hear if any of them have read it and their
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  Speaker 3: thoughts on it and whether they agreed with the experience
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  Speaker 3: that I'm describing.
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  Speaker 2: But I think.
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  Speaker 3: Ultimately it is an adult book aimed towards adults, but
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  Speaker 3: perhaps maybe straddling that new adult space that's obviously coming
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  Speaker 3: up in a lot of genres now, because there is
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  Speaker 3: obviously the first half is them as young adults, as teenagers.
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  Speaker 3: But then there is that second half where they kind
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  Speaker 3: of reckon with the consequences when they reach adulthood.
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  Speaker 1: And you also put the big mystery in there by
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  Speaker 1: the end of summer. One person dead. I mean, it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: my God. Now they always see. This is the kind
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  Speaker 1: of stuff that I like tuning into because it does.
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  Speaker 1: It activates my own personal imagination. And as a reader,
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  Speaker 1: I know there's other people like me. We try to
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  Speaker 1: figure it out before you do when you get to
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  Speaker 1: the end.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I still do that now with other
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  Speaker 3: thriller books. I'm still reading, guessing what's happening, what are
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  Speaker 3: the clues for sure.
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  Speaker 1: So now when you put this into movie form, which
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  Speaker 1: I know that's exactly where it's going. I just have
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  Speaker 1: this this big feeling. Do you do it as a
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  Speaker 1: flashback piece or how are you going to lay this
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  Speaker 1: out when it comes to moving pictures?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if I feel if it did become
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  Speaker 3: kind of film or TV, I feel maybe it would
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  Speaker 3: suit more the TV space to give.
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  Speaker 2: It that room for the two different kind of sides
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  Speaker 2: of it. And I think.
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  Speaker 3: That's interesting because, yeah, with TV adaptation, it would take
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  Speaker 3: a lot to kind of go from the young adult
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  Speaker 3: to the adult.
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  Speaker 2: So perhaps maybe, yeah, it would start with them as
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  Speaker 2: adults and kind of.
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  Speaker 3: Flash back to those times and feed them in and
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  Speaker 3: like little snippets rather than kind of going in.
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  Speaker 2: The chronological way I have.
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  Speaker 3: I think that could be quite interesting from like a
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  Speaker 3: TV space.
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  Speaker 1: I know in the very beginning I talked about how
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  Speaker 1: this movie really did shake my world, and I thought
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  Speaker 1: of it being The Outsiders. But I want listeners to
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  Speaker 1: understand that this movie is more than about friendships. And,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot more to this. So you're
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  Speaker 1: not going to just sit there and pick up a
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  Speaker 1: YA book that, oh, this is about teen life in school.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: Like you said, this is for adult reading as well,
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  Speaker 1: and it's got the action and everything in there. And
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  Speaker 1: it's not about just everybody being all friendly and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think something that was very important to me
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  Speaker 3: was creating a very real friendship group. When you're a
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  Speaker 3: teenage girl and when you're an adult woman, to be honest,
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  Speaker 3: you don't.
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  Speaker 2: Always like your friends all of the time.
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  Speaker 3: And especially when they start doing increasingly more dangerous things.
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  Speaker 3: There are some of them that obviously don't agree with
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  Speaker 3: as much as the other ones with what they're doing.
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  Speaker 3: And some of the decisions that they make, some of
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  Speaker 3: them reckon with the guilt of that.
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  Speaker 2: In a much stronger way than the other ones.
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  Speaker 3: And I think having that kind of realistic nature to
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  Speaker 3: their friendship, where some of them are closer than others,
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  Speaker 3: some of them argue more than others, like Crow and Cuckoo,
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  Speaker 3: they kind of bite at each other a lot because
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  Speaker 3: ultimately they're actually probably the most similar of them all.
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  Speaker 2: But that makes them clash more.
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  Speaker 3: And I think having that realistic depiction of friendship was
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  Speaker 3: a really crucial part of the book for me. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: See, and that once again, that's your eyes out here
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  Speaker 1: in our real world, because we can all picture every
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  Speaker 1: one of these characters as someone in our own personal lives.
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  Speaker 1: We know what happened to us on a personal level.
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  Speaker 1: Now to see it in print like this in the book,
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  Speaker 1: the five of us, we're all going, Oh my God.
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  Speaker 1: It's like she was the neighbor that just didn't come
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  Speaker 1: out of the house during that two year period.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And every single person can kind of look at this
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  Speaker 3: and think, well, yeah, like this could have been me.
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  Speaker 2: This could have been someone I know. This could have been,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, for people.
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  Speaker 3: That have teenagers, like how were their teenagers going through it?
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  Speaker 3: Did their teenagers break the rules or sneak out? Like
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot that anyone can kind of take from this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I think, and I can't wait to really bring
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  Speaker 1: this up to a lot of the young adults that
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  Speaker 1: I work with. Here in Charlotte. And the reason why
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: is because I know what they went through. But but
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: the part that where you definitely have a situation here,
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: how can the lost summer be made back up? I
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: often wonder what these young adults are thinking. Do they
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: want to make up that summer or do they just
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: want to go back and stay there? And that's the
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: thing about it. I mean, because they don't talk about it.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: They don't talk about anything. And they've all become numb
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: to what's going on. And they need a book like
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: this to where they can start feeling again. And you
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: offer us that emotion. Go feel. Read the book. Feel.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: Get into the storyline.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, definitely. That's absolutely what I want young adults to
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: take from this. So I'm so glad you said that.
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  Speaker 3: I feel that there has been this such a reluctance
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  Speaker 3: to talk about lockdown and what happened that it's forced
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: this younger generation to kind of move on from something
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  Speaker 3: that they haven't actually dealt with. And a lot of
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: them might not even realize it's something they need to
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: deal with. But I do feel like there is a
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: lot of kind of anger in the younger generation at
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: the world at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: And it is a tough world for them. And I
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: feel like lockdown was maybe the.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: Catalyst for a lot of them in how their circumstances
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: changed or how they were unable to achieve certain things
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: that they wanted. And if any young adult picks up
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: this book and feels like it speaks to them, then
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: that's amazing to me.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Where can people go to find out more about you
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: as well as this book? Because I really want them
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: to know the author on this one. Because I think
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: that when you know the author and you're reading the stories,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: it just makes it a better connection. Yeah.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: So I have a website, SianGilbert.com.
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  Speaker 3: And I know a lot of people struggle with my
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: first name.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: So it's S-I-A-N, Sian. So SianGilbert.com.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: And then I'm on Instagram and TikTok at SianMGilbert. And
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: in terms of finding the.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Book, you can find it on.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: Bookshop.org for any indie bookstore or Amazon website.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Or on Audible. There's a lot of places that you
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: can reach it.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: I love it. Please come back to this show anytime
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: in the future. The door is always going to be
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: open for you.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this was super lovely. Thank you so much.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: You be brilliant today, okay?
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Thank you. All the best.