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The Week That Was (27 August 2021) · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: In three sixties, the week it was the most listened
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Speaker 1: to hour in Territory radio. The Territory Leaders great down
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Speaker 1: this week's big issues.
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Speaker 2: Well, before we do that, let's take a look at
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Speaker 2: the weather. Sunny, light winds. We're heading for thirty four
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Speaker 2: in the city, thirty six in the rural area and
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Speaker 2: thirty five degrees today in Catherine. The top ends tied
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Speaker 2: times in an outboard marine is Darwin's home of quin Tregs,
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Speaker 2: bar Crusher, Stabbycraft, Premium alloy boats and world leading Yamaha outports.
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Speaker 2: Today we're expecting well, we're on a high tide seven
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Speaker 2: meters at eight fifty five this morning in Darwin.
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Speaker 3: Right now it's sitting on twenty six degrees.
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Speaker 2: It's twenty five in the rural area, and in Catherine
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Speaker 2: it's sitting on twenty two degrees.
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Speaker 3: And good morning and welcome to the show.
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Speaker 2: It is time for the week that was proudly brought
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Speaker 2: to you by Desilver Hebron Lawyers, your local lawyers and
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Speaker 2: also broadcasting on eighth and in the studio with us
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Speaker 2: this morning, we've got the Opposition leader, Leofanocchiaro.
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Speaker 4: Good morning to morning, and it is twenty five in
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Speaker 4: the rural area. I just came from various springs.
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Speaker 5: It was beautiful.
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Speaker 2: Outlice weather out there excellent. And we we've got Matt
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Speaker 2: Cunningham from Sky News, good morning to you.
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Speaker 6: Good morning.
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Speaker 3: We've also got Kesier Purreic, the member for Goid, good
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Speaker 3: morning to you.
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Speaker 7: Good morning, Katie, Good morning rural people.
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Speaker 2: And we've also got Natasha files a Member for Nightcliff
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Speaker 2: and Well the Minister for Health.
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Speaker 8: Good morning wife.
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Speaker 2: And firstly, what as we're all wondering if Fireworks Day
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Speaker 2: well with the fire crackers, they're going to be allowed
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Speaker 2: to be let off on Sunday?
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Speaker 3: Any word yet, Filesy?
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Speaker 9: No, I think that we'll be waiting on the advice
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Speaker 9: from our officials and they'll be making that decision I
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Speaker 9: understand in the next twenty four hours, all right.
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Speaker 2: We'll hopefully be catching up with the Firies just after
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Speaker 2: ten o'clock this morning and getting a bit of a
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Speaker 2: better idea about how they're preparing now. Yesterday we learned
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Speaker 2: that restrictions in Greater Darwin and Catherine were lifted following
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Speaker 2: that lockdown last week after the man entered the Northern territory.
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Speaker 3: COVID positive.
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Speaker 2: There have been no further cases of COVID nineteen in
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Speaker 2: the territory since Greater Darwin and Catherine went into lockdown.
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Speaker 2: All of those close contacts remain in quarantine and all
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Speaker 2: testing has been negative to date. But I guess that
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Speaker 2: discussion is now starting to turn in all around the
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Speaker 2: nation about what, you know, what we might need to
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Speaker 2: do to get past this point in Australia more generally,
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Speaker 2: do we need vaccine passports? Do we need to make
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Speaker 2: sure that you know that everybody is vaccinated before they
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Speaker 2: travel into the Northern Territory. And my understanding is that
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Speaker 2: that is something that the Chief Minister is looking at
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Speaker 2: at the moment, whether whether we do need mandatory vaccination
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Speaker 2: if you want to come into the territory.
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Speaker 7: Pasha, Katie, Katie No, Natasha.
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Speaker 3: Is looking at her notes. I see, I thought, but I.
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Speaker 7: Jumped in, I jumped in.
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Speaker 5: Start a time.
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Speaker 7: I've got a time, Katie.
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Speaker 10: I'm not sure the legalities of a Presumably that's why
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Speaker 10: the Chief Minister is having it looked at, of having
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Speaker 10: saying to an individual citizen of Australia that you need
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Speaker 10: to have some kind of proof before you can come
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Speaker 10: across our borders. I don't know and obviously that legal
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Speaker 10: people will be able to tell you that.
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Speaker 3: But when it comes to.
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Speaker 10: A passport, I personally don't have any issue with it
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Speaker 10: because I already have a yellow document when I've traveled overseas,
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Speaker 10: particularly to African countries, where you have to show Australian
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Speaker 10: officials and others that you've been vaccinated for certain viruses
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Speaker 10: and illnesses yellow fever in particular, now yellow fever. If
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Speaker 10: you don't have the vaccination before you leave Australia and
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Speaker 10: then you go to somewhere like Kenya, you're going to
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Speaker 10: struggle to get back into Australia if you haven't had it.
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Speaker 7: So I have this document that I.
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Speaker 10: Keep with my passport and has a list of all
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Speaker 10: my vaccinations that I've got or had over the last
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Speaker 10: x time. When I've traveled to overseas countries where you know,
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Speaker 10: you you know, polio again, hebattus, ABC, malaria, you name it,
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Speaker 10: yellow fever, swine fever, SARS, all that sort of stuff.
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Speaker 10: So stick in another stamp in there, or a piece
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Speaker 10: of paper that says you're vaccinated against COVID. I don't
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Speaker 10: see the big deal because lots of people have these
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Speaker 10: kind of documentations with them all the time, particularly international travel.
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Speaker 10: I can't speak FINESTLEI within Australia, but if it's something
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Speaker 10: that's going to happen, well, I think it's just the
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Speaker 10: sign of our times, you know, with people past us,
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Speaker 10: our mothers and grandpathers or would never have had anything
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Speaker 10: like this and chill and in the future may never
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Speaker 10: experience it. But right now we've got to get on
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Speaker 10: top of this virus and that this is one way
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Speaker 10: to protect lives and people and travelers.
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Speaker 7: Well, I don't have a big deal with.
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Speaker 11: It, one hundred percent agree, and not only to protect
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Speaker 11: live lives and protect travelers, but to get us back
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Speaker 11: to some kind of normal because we can't continue to
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Speaker 11: lockdown every time there's one case of COVID nineteen. We
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Speaker 11: can't shut the borders every time there's a case in
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Speaker 11: a different state.
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Speaker 6: We need to get back at some point. Like I
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Speaker 6: think this.
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Speaker 11: Has already played out for longer than most people would
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Speaker 11: have expected it. We're coming towards the end of twenty
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Speaker 11: twenty one it and we're still in a situation where
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Speaker 11: we've got lockdowns in much of the country and we've
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Speaker 11: had lockdowns here as well. We need to get to
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Speaker 11: a point where, you know, ten cases of coronavirus into
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Speaker 11: state doesn't mean that the borders are closed and doesn't
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Speaker 11: mean that we get lockdown.
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Speaker 6: We've got to find a way forward.
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Speaker 11: You look at the UK at the moment, I'm watching
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Speaker 11: a test ticket in the UK in front of packed stadiums.
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Speaker 9: We've territorians have done a great job in being vaccinated
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Speaker 9: off in the is painted in that picture nationally is
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Speaker 9: a bit backward and but territories have stepped forward. Last
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Speaker 9: Wednesday we had over three thousand vaccines delivered in the territory.
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Speaker 9: We opened up to twelve to fifteen year olds, and
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Speaker 9: you know people are talking about it, jumping on board,
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Speaker 9: wanting to be vaccinated, and as Matt says, you know
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Speaker 9: we do need to like we thank everyone, you know
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Speaker 9: for the lockdown, people that shut their businesses and take
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Speaker 9: that economic hit, people's mental health, you know, through not
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Speaker 9: being able to participate in activities, catch up with loved ones,
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Speaker 9: particularly inter state, and like Matt said, I think we
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Speaker 9: all thought they'd be a wave in two three four
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Speaker 9: months last year and the fact, you know some people
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Speaker 9: haven't seen their families for coming on eighteen months two years,
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Speaker 9: so certainly we're investigating what legalities and what we can
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Speaker 9: put in place in the territory.
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Speaker 12: Leah.
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Speaker 2: Before I go to you, can I just play a
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Speaker 2: bit of a bit of an interview that I did
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Speaker 2: yesterday with a listener. Her name was Elizabeth and she
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Speaker 2: is from Alice Springs. Now she's actually in quarantine, still
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Speaker 2: in Alice Springs at the moment. So basically she'd been
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Speaker 2: to the Todd Facilla. She's been staying in the Todd
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Speaker 2: Facility in Alice. She'd been in Seahim in Victoria after
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Speaker 2: receiving medical treatment which she couldn't have in Central Australia.
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Speaker 2: She then sought an exemption to see her mother for
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Speaker 2: one hour as her mum was dying. That exemption was
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Speaker 2: not back a couple of times. Her mother since passed,
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Speaker 2: but she is still in quarantine now she is fully vaccinated.
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Speaker 2: Just take a listen to what she had to say
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Speaker 2: to us on the show yesterday.
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Speaker 12: Needs to look at the procedure and process and challenge
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Speaker 12: it for people who have been vaccinated, looking at people's
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Speaker 12: circumstances as for what they are, and looking really at
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Speaker 12: the risks so they can allow people out of the
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Speaker 12: Howard Spring facility to go home because they are low risk,
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Speaker 12: and that should have been afforded to me because I
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Speaker 12: was definitely a low risk and I've proved that. I've
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Speaker 12: had five tests now and they're all negative, every one
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Speaker 12: of them.
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Speaker 2: Now, the point I want to make from playing that
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Speaker 2: audio is the fact that she was she is fully vaccinated.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 3: I do understand that obviously.
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Speaker 2: We're not there at the moment around Australia in terms
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Speaker 2: of those vaccination rates allowing us to open up and
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Speaker 2: you know, to not have people quarantining, but there needs
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Speaker 2: to be incentive as well. I think we do need
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Speaker 2: to sort of to give people something to look to
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Speaker 2: in order to you know, to make sure that they
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Speaker 2: do get vaccinated and we can open back up.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think you know, this has been the
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Speaker 4: next phase of excuse me, this has been the next
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Speaker 4: phase of that conversation. I guess what people want to
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Speaker 4: know is is this being driven by the best health advice?
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Speaker 4: And of course I think governments right around the country
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Speaker 4: needs to be really open and honest about it because
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Speaker 4: there are a lot of people who just do not
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Speaker 4: like vaccines.
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Speaker 5: No matter what you say, it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 4: And I think, you know, governments need to be upfront
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Speaker 4: about what this is all going to look like.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, in vaccines Save lives, Katie, and I think that
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Speaker 9: there's perhaps some complacency that has snuck into our society.
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Speaker 8: KIZI.
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Speaker 9: You're not trying to, you know, pull out your age,
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Speaker 9: but as someone a little bit older, like for me
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Speaker 9: in my generation, I remember at high school being lined up.
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Speaker 9: I think it was to get the rebella immunization, but
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Speaker 9: that was you know about it.
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Speaker 8: I don't know any.
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Speaker 9: Of my family that have lived with the effects of
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Speaker 9: not being vaccinated, in those illnesses and disease that we've
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Speaker 9: eradicated or certainly come well under controlled due to vaccination.
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Speaker 9: So I think that we as a government, you know Territorians,
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Speaker 9: have responded well. There is some hesitancy in community and
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Speaker 9: we need to and we are working through you know,
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Speaker 9: community by community group and making them understand it is
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Speaker 9: so important for their health that they get vaccinated to
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Speaker 9: keep them and their loved ones safe.
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Speaker 4: It is really important and it's great to see now
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Speaker 4: that you know that twelve to fifteen year old bracket
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Speaker 4: have access to it. I'm fully vaccinated, you know, we
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Speaker 4: push the get vaccinated message wherever we can. We really
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Speaker 4: want to see those numbers rising, particularly in remote parts
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Speaker 4: of the Northern territory. Those numbers are still lower them
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Speaker 4: than certainly what we would expect by this point in time.
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Speaker 4: And of course making sure that people have the availability
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Speaker 4: on that COVID portal to be able to get on
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Speaker 4: get an appointment and then and then get the jam.
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Speaker 2: The point I want to make, and I'm keen to
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Speaker 2: sort of to go back to it is obviously the
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Speaker 2: chiefiness is talking about the you know, about the possibility
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Speaker 2: of I don't know whether it's introducing legislation or making it,
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Speaker 2: you know, making it a mandatory thing where you do
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Speaker 2: have to have the vaccine.
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Speaker 3: But I wonder whether it's.
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Speaker 2: A little bit more simple than the ASH and it's
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Speaker 2: more a matter of if you've had the vaccine, well
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Speaker 2: you don't actually need to go into into quarantine for
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Speaker 2: the two weeks if you've traveled into.
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Speaker 11: Some I think that's where we need to get to
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Speaker 11: and get too soon, because that situation, when someone like
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Speaker 11: that is fully vaccinated and he's been put in such
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Speaker 11: an awful situation, shouldn't be happening. Now that people are
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Speaker 11: fully vaccinated, I think we need to get to a
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Speaker 11: point where you know if you if you are fully vaccinated,
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Speaker 11: there are benefits that come with that. So at the moment,
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Speaker 11: I think people who are fully vavaccinated are really being
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Speaker 11: punished because of the slow vaccine roll out across the
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Speaker 11: country and for some other reasons like that situation should
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Speaker 11: not be happening.
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Speaker 6: That is, that's.
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Speaker 3: Unfair, it is, it's actually heartbreaking.
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Speaker 2: When I spoke to Elizabeth yesterday, so she's still in
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Speaker 2: the Todd facility right now. Her mum's passed away. Now,
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Speaker 2: she wasn't able to get out. She'd asked for an hour,
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Speaker 2: an exemption for an hour to go and see her
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Speaker 2: mother who was dying.
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Speaker 3: Now. In Alice Springs as.
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Speaker 2: Well, we also know that there was that trial as
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Speaker 2: I understand it, where some people were able to quarantine
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Speaker 2: at home with a different type of some kind of technology.
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Speaker 3: I thought to monitor them.
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Speaker 9: So in Alice Springs, going back probably about a month
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Speaker 9: or so now, the Territory Controller made a decision to
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Speaker 9: allow people to use the G two G technology which
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Speaker 9: has features that you can identify that someone, it's locating
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Speaker 9: them where they are and they abiding to the condition.
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Speaker 9: So we certainly have got the quarantine facilities. There is
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Speaker 9: technology those decisions, the Chief Health Officer and the territory
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Speaker 9: controller to make those final decisions.
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Speaker 2: I don't want to finish this discussion without also raising
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Speaker 2: the concerns that have been raised with me all week
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Speaker 2: this week from gyms and from those gym operators, saying,
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Speaker 2: why on earth allowed to go and sit down and
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Speaker 2: eat and do various other things, but you're not able
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Speaker 2: to go to the gym. I'm not the gym that
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Speaker 2: I'm at. It is you know, you're distanced. I get
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Speaker 2: the sweat factor, I get the heavy you know. I
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Speaker 2: like that you're breathing near other people, but you're also
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Speaker 2: wiping down your equipment. Is there a way that we can,
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Speaker 2: if we go back into another lockdown, actually have some
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Speaker 2: kind of discussion with gyms to try and avoid a
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Speaker 2: situation where they're in lockdown for an additional week or
11:26
Speaker 2: they're not able to operate for an additional week longer
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Speaker 2: than any other business.
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Speaker 9: So, Katie, we always follow that Chief Health Officer's final
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Speaker 9: advice is what I can say. But there are conversations
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Speaker 9: happening because I think that everybody has adapted the facets
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Speaker 9: of their life to COVID, and I certainly have heard
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Speaker 9: from gim owners the measures that they've put in place
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Speaker 9: to keep people safe, and is there a way And
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Speaker 9: we don't know what the next lockdown what will be.
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Speaker 9: You know, we've had two that have been fairly similar
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Speaker 9: in the sense of a very limited cases, and we've
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Speaker 9: managed to keep those lockdowns short. But yes, there are
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Speaker 9: conversations happening with industry and departments to see if there's
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Speaker 9: any forward planning that could be accommodated.
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Speaker 2: Because I've got to tell you, I think that people
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Speaker 2: have been, you know, territorians have been, you know, really
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Speaker 2: understanding about this whole situation. But I think that that
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Speaker 2: understanding and that patience is probably going to start to
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Speaker 2: disappear a little bit if we wind up in another
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Speaker 2: situation where one case, you know, Lands is in lockdown
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Speaker 2: for that yet locks down a whole city for that period.
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Speaker 9: To remember, the short sharp lockdown, the initial period is
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Speaker 9: just to stop everybody in their movement so that we
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Speaker 9: can get on top of any contact tracing, and then
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Speaker 9: the second part of it is waiting that replication cycle.
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Speaker 9: So I think people do need to understand the two
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Speaker 9: parts of lockdown and restrictions and why they are there.
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Speaker 8: But I think that, as I said.
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Speaker 9: You've seen a number of ways in it which we
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Speaker 9: go about it everyday, business that have been adapted for COVID,
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Speaker 9: and there are conversations around those. There's a couple of
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Speaker 9: activities that you know, have just been unfortunately not a
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Speaker 9: proof to this point. But is there anything we can
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Speaker 9: do in preparation to allow that into the future.
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Speaker 11: I just find it a bit like I went to
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Speaker 11: the Darwin Festival two nights last weekend. It was great,
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Speaker 11: but there are a heap of people there in very
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Speaker 11: close proximity to each other, and yet you can't have
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Speaker 11: ten people socially distanced at the gym.
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Speaker 6: If I was a gym owner.
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Speaker 4: I'd be pretty And I've spoken to a lot of
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Speaker 4: business owners who are really confused about the exceptional what
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Speaker 4: do you call the exceptional workers or the workers who
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Speaker 4: are allowed to be essential? Sorry, yes, escaping exceptional, but
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Speaker 4: they are exceptional essential workers, and how they put their
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Speaker 4: case forward for being able to be qualified as an
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Speaker 4: essential worker, because there are a lot of businesses who
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Speaker 4: don't have any interaction with anybody, yep. And they have
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Speaker 4: certainly been talking to me about, you know, how do
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Speaker 4: they go about trying to work out if during lockdown
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Speaker 4: they're allowed to continue with their work because they have
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Speaker 4: no contact with anyone.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I do want to point out I've had a
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Speaker 2: couple of gym on it's not only come on here,
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Speaker 2: but also get in contact with me. One in particular
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Speaker 2: email me yesterday, she said, Katie, every Darwin Jim is
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Speaker 2: happy to work with the Health Minister and the Chief
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Speaker 2: Health Officer.
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Speaker 3: And do whatever needs to be done.
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Speaker 2: So I think that, you know, if we can be
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Speaker 2: a little bit more progressive I suppose and work together
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Speaker 2: in this space, hopefully it'll be a good thing for
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Speaker 2: the territory. Let's take a very short break. You are
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Speaker 2: listening to Mix one oh four point nine's three sixty.
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Speaker 3: It is the week that.
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Speaker 1: Was three sixties, the week that was thanks to the
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Speaker 1: Silver Hebron your local lawyers.
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Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one oh four point nine's
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Speaker 2: three sixty. It is the week that was proudly brought
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Speaker 2: and also broadcasting on eighth. Now we were just discussing
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Speaker 2: obviously the possibility of well vaccine passports. But I do
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Speaker 2: want to look at the fact that Quantus is looking
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Speaker 2: at a flying non stop between Australia and London. Well
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Speaker 2: from Darwin to London is the possibility it was buried
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Speaker 2: right at the bottom of a pressure leigh yesterday. But
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Speaker 2: we're all on to it, wondering if this is going
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Speaker 2: to be the case or whether this is Alan Joyce's
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Speaker 2: way of just sticking it.
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Speaker 11: To the just Let's just hope we hold into it,
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Speaker 11: because I get the feeling that it might have been
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Speaker 11: Allen Joyce's way of saying to Mark McGowan, haymade.
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Speaker 9: It is an hour quicker from Darwin to London.
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Speaker 8: And Katie I think this.
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Speaker 9: You know, we will be traveling internationally and we all
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Speaker 9: hope that sooner rather than later. But international travel won't
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Speaker 9: be what it used to be. And so the fact
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Speaker 9: that Darwin has the Center for National Resilience does provide
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Speaker 9: the facility because even when people land from certain countries
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Speaker 9: of course will accept their vaccine passport that Kisi was
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Speaker 9: just talking about, for other people, there'll need to be
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Speaker 9: a verification process and so we do.
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Speaker 8: We are that perfect option.
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Speaker 9: We're keeping crews they can have all their resources on
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Speaker 9: Australian soil and so We have been working closely with
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Speaker 9: Quantus and very much encouraging them that Darwin is the
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Speaker 9: natural gateway not only into Asia but into Europe.
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Speaker 2: Did I hear correctly throughout the week Anna stage of
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Speaker 2: Palachet try and say that her new place that she's
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Speaker 2: going to be building, her new quarantine facility, is going
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Speaker 2: to be better than Howard Springs.
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Speaker 3: Just build it first, lady done?
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Speaker 7: Shelish, what does it sholl USh your money?
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Speaker 8: Honey Howard Springs? Who the residents of Howard Springs?
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Speaker 9: Who would have thought that it would become such a
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Speaker 9: common household someway?
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Speaker 3: Exactly?
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Speaker 8: It's up there with.
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Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly right.
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Speaker 2: It has become something that we're all talking about. But look,
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Speaker 2: if we can get this flight happening, I think it
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Speaker 2: would be a great thing for hopefully down the track
16:23
Speaker 2: and we are still talking quite a while away, but
16:25
Speaker 2: down the track when it comes to tourism here in
16:28
Speaker 2: the Northern Territory, and goodness knows we need it at
16:30
Speaker 2: the moment. I've spoken on numerous occasions to both Tourism
16:33
Speaker 2: Top End and also Tourism Central Australia more specifically about
16:37
Speaker 2: the real concerns that they've got at the moment around
16:41
Speaker 2: really not having visitors to Central Australia. We know that
16:45
Speaker 2: the tourism vouchers were announced earlier in the week, but
16:48
Speaker 2: Tourism Central Australia has again called for that federal job
16:52
Speaker 2: keeper scheme to be reinstated so that the you know,
16:55
Speaker 2: those businesses that are struggling there have got some support.
16:58
Speaker 2: It's tough going, there's no about it.
17:00
Speaker 4: It's really tough in Central Australia and it has been
17:03
Speaker 4: for a long time. And shout out to our Alice
17:04
Speaker 4: listeners today, you know, if this does come together and
17:09
Speaker 4: so Natasha, I don't have much confidence in your government
17:11
Speaker 4: to deliver this. I've got full confidence in Alan Joyce
17:14
Speaker 4: to stick it where he wants.
17:15
Speaker 13: But what the what the territory seriously seriously, So what
17:30
Speaker 13: what the territory government really needs to be focusing on
17:32
Speaker 13: is how we can package this up to benefit everyone
17:35
Speaker 13: in the territory. And so if we can be creating
17:38
Speaker 13: initiatives where people from interstate have to get to the territory,
17:42
Speaker 13: get to darn when to get on this direct flight,
17:45
Speaker 13: have to go via Alice or something like that, you know,
17:47
Speaker 13: where we can sort of package up and a whole
17:49
Speaker 13: of territory experience, and that will certainly be where we
17:52
Speaker 13: start seeing the runs on the board, because you know,
17:54
Speaker 13: crime is not going away in Alice and that's just
17:56
Speaker 13: adding to this COVID pain that's being inflicted on them.
17:59
Speaker 7: That's right, I think. I mean good on contest and
18:01
Speaker 7: Alan Joyce, I mean a contest is just coming home.
18:04
Speaker 3: She should have been here all the time, shouldn't it.
18:06
Speaker 10: Yeah, exactly, given Queensland and Northern Territory are its traditional homes.
18:10
Speaker 7: But that's a good flight and it's good news.
18:12
Speaker 10: And with all the you know, the precautions that we
18:15
Speaker 10: have now in traveling, I'm sure it will be successful.
18:17
Speaker 10: But with Lear and Natasha and Matt, we all agree
18:20
Speaker 10: that something has to give with Alice Springs, it's such
18:23
Speaker 10: a town that's dependent upon tourism. It's tourism, from my understanding,
18:26
Speaker 10: is predominantly its industry, followed by sort of the mining
18:29
Speaker 10: patrolling industry, and you know then subsequent general tourism. So
18:33
Speaker 10: there has to be some kind of packaging, whether there
18:35
Speaker 10: has to be something like you know, to talk with
18:37
Speaker 10: the gan operators to get quick fast trains to take
18:40
Speaker 10: people from Darn like I'd go to our springs on
18:42
Speaker 10: a couple of nights on a train. You know, I
18:44
Speaker 10: don't know what the arrangements are with the gan and
18:46
Speaker 10: things of that nature, but those tourist people and those
18:48
Speaker 10: you know got bright sparks and marketing, they really need
18:51
Speaker 10: to work with government and the tourist operators to try
18:53
Speaker 10: and come up with something that's different that people just go,
18:56
Speaker 10: I'm going to go to Alis even for just a
18:58
Speaker 10: couple of nice and stas put a bit more money
18:59
Speaker 10: into the town.
19:00
Speaker 4: But reputationally it's really important as well. You know, if
19:04
Speaker 4: you google, like you know, going to Alice Springs, it
19:07
Speaker 4: comes up with the second mosask question is is it safe?
19:10
Speaker 4: And so we've got this issue where we've got the
19:11
Speaker 4: most beautiful place with beautiful people and such an amazing
19:15
Speaker 4: story to tell.
19:16
Speaker 5: It's iconic in Central Australia.
19:18
Speaker 4: But they're also not just up against the fact that
19:21
Speaker 4: most of our nation is locked down, but then that
19:23
Speaker 4: there's this overlay of people you know, considering either driving
19:27
Speaker 4: through or flying pass and we can't have that. And
19:29
Speaker 4: that's why crime is so pivotal to a strong economy
19:31
Speaker 4: and a strong tourism sector.
19:33
Speaker 9: And Katie, we know that in Central Australia. The tourism
19:36
Speaker 9: industry has been absolutely decimated, and there's part of it
19:39
Speaker 9: is that they did have such a reliance on international
19:41
Speaker 9: tourism and we pivoted with them earlier this year with
19:44
Speaker 9: the Mates Rates campaign, so we had the tourism vouchers
19:47
Speaker 9: and their back, but we recognized that in Central Australian.
19:49
Speaker 9: We listened Tourism Central Australia put that up to the
19:52
Speaker 9: government as a as an option, and we funded that
19:55
Speaker 9: to support them.
19:55
Speaker 8: And last week Paul Kirby.
19:56
Speaker 9: And I announced twelve and a half million dollars in
19:58
Speaker 9: conjunction with the federal government, and part of that was
20:01
Speaker 9: specifically aimed at touring and event organizers because there's some
20:05
Speaker 9: sections where so you know, some tourism businesses can pivot
20:08
Speaker 9: and can market to local you know, around their product,
20:12
Speaker 9: but others it's just decimated them. So we certainly are
20:15
Speaker 9: listening and being responsive in that space.
20:17
Speaker 11: To sort of go back to the point we were
20:19
Speaker 11: making before the break, like, if we don't find a
20:21
Speaker 11: way to open up the country, get vaccinated and open
20:24
Speaker 11: up the country, all of these things are just going
20:26
Speaker 11: to be stop gap band daid measures. You can't keep
20:28
Speaker 11: giving job keeper. The government doesn't have a money tree
20:31
Speaker 11: an infinite amount of money to pay.
20:32
Speaker 5: The Gunner government does.
20:33
Speaker 6: Yeah, but.
20:36
Speaker 5: Why others going over borrow? Michael Gunners is money tree.
20:39
Speaker 11: But in all seriousness, you can't have if your two
20:43
Speaker 11: biggest markets are shut off, you two Biggs domestic markets
20:47
Speaker 11: in Sydney and Melbourne.
20:48
Speaker 6: That's right, Then what I hope have you got?
20:50
Speaker 11: And I think then then going forward for Alice Brings
20:54
Speaker 11: once things do open up, I think we need to
20:56
Speaker 11: look at how we get cheaper flights.
20:58
Speaker 6: Into Alice, which if you remember back.
21:00
Speaker 11: In the day when Tiger Airways flew for fifty bucks
21:03
Speaker 11: from Melbourne to Alice Springs, you know there were lots
21:05
Speaker 11: of people going. Right now, it's become cost prohibitive.
21:08
Speaker 6: We talk to people in.
21:08
Speaker 11: Alice Springs, that costs them more to fly from Alice
21:10
Speaker 11: Springs to Adelaide than it does come from Adelaide to Europe.
21:13
Speaker 2: And this is the problem that we've got even for
21:15
Speaker 2: us up here in the top end. Right now, I'd
21:16
Speaker 2: love to take the kids to Alice Springs in the
21:18
Speaker 2: September school holidays, but it is awfully expensive.
21:20
Speaker 3: So is there a way?
21:22
Speaker 2: And I know that It's much easier said than done.
21:24
Speaker 2: But is there a way of being able to get
21:26
Speaker 2: locals to get to the likes of Alice Springs? And
21:28
Speaker 2: I know those tourism vouchers are a help, but you
21:31
Speaker 2: know the reality of it is, it's it's not a
21:34
Speaker 2: huge amount when you're talking about taking a family of
21:37
Speaker 2: four or five or in some cases six, you know
21:39
Speaker 2: it's but having those having that family in Alice Springs
21:43
Speaker 2: is a great thing because you get down there and
21:46
Speaker 2: you spend all your money or whether you're in Ularu,
21:48
Speaker 2: wherever you are, you get out there, you support the
21:50
Speaker 2: local economy, which is exactly what we want to see happening.
21:53
Speaker 3: Well, take a very short break.
21:54
Speaker 2: There is a lot to cover off, but I'm keen
21:56
Speaker 2: to talk about the turf Club's new board and well
21:59
Speaker 2: some of the legal action being taken against the Ikak
22:04
Speaker 2: in just a couple of moments.
22:05
Speaker 1: Three sixties the week that was thanks to the silver
22:08
Speaker 1: hebron your local lawyers.
22:11
Speaker 2: It is just twenty five minutes away from ten o'clock
22:13
Speaker 2: and we've got Leofanochiaro, Matt Cunningham, Keesi, Epirica Natasha files
22:17
Speaker 2: in the studio with us this morning. Now we know
22:20
Speaker 2: that the former Darwin Turf Club chairman, Brett Dixon, well
22:24
Speaker 2: he obviously was not re elected onto the board.
22:28
Speaker 3: Earlier in the week.
22:29
Speaker 2: We know that the Darwin Turf Club had their well,
22:31
Speaker 2: they had their meeting and elected for an entirely fresh start.
22:36
Speaker 2: You would have to think that this is the right
22:38
Speaker 2: way to go, I think for the Turf Club in
22:40
Speaker 2: terms of well being able to get the government back
22:43
Speaker 2: on side for a start. I know that that's you
22:46
Speaker 2: know that they were pretty concerned or I would think
22:48
Speaker 2: that they were pretty concerned about the fact that no
22:50
Speaker 2: government ministers attended the Cup Carnival at all. Is this
22:55
Speaker 2: the right way to go? Natasha, you are the Minister
22:57
Speaker 2: for Racing.
22:57
Speaker 9: Yes, Katie, so we made it clear that we wanted
22:59
Speaker 9: to have confident it's in that board. So they have
23:01
Speaker 9: got a fresh board, a clean start, and we look
23:03
Speaker 9: forward to working constructively with them. As I made it
23:05
Speaker 9: clear in my previous commentary that the industry needs to
23:10
Speaker 9: be supported. It's an important industry here in the territory,
23:13
Speaker 9: as Keysier and I've discussed, there's many good people involved
23:16
Speaker 9: and so we want to make sure that racing continues
23:19
Speaker 9: to attract people to the territory that it builds our economy,
23:21
Speaker 9: and we welcome and congratulate those new board members.
23:24
Speaker 6: So you're still planning the claw back the twelve million dollars.
23:26
Speaker 8: So we'll meet with the new board.
23:28
Speaker 9: I think that the twelve million dollars being recovered is
23:31
Speaker 9: something that the public expect. But we'll meet with that
23:33
Speaker 9: new board and hear from them first.
23:35
Speaker 11: So how will you get it back? How do you
23:38
Speaker 11: get the twelve million bucks back?
23:39
Speaker 9: So we do provide funding to them, So that's something
23:42
Speaker 9: that we'll meet with the board and discuss that we
23:45
Speaker 9: do provide funding.
23:46
Speaker 8: But I mean they don't.
23:47
Speaker 5: They don't get the money back because they can't get back.
23:48
Speaker 9: We'll we'll meet with that new board. We won't perhaps
23:52
Speaker 9: have a discussion on radio. We'll give them the courtesy
23:54
Speaker 9: of meeting and hearing from them, and I look forward
23:56
Speaker 9: to that.
23:56
Speaker 10: So they can't they can't. They can't get the money back.
23:59
Speaker 10: And should they try and get the money back. It
24:01
Speaker 10: was a straight grant. So if the government tries to
24:04
Speaker 10: claw the money back by future grants and say instead
24:07
Speaker 10: of ten million this year and are going to get
24:08
Speaker 10: eight and that's two million off the twelve million yearoas.
24:11
Speaker 10: Then it sets a very dangerous precedent for direct grants
24:13
Speaker 10: for any other organization in the territory to someone like
24:16
Speaker 10: Friend's Past Reserve, for example. So if the government doesn't
24:19
Speaker 10: like how the organization or the people or the council
24:22
Speaker 10: are spending the money, are they going to say, oh, well,
24:24
Speaker 10: we didn't like what you did and we don't like
24:25
Speaker 10: your governance, therefore give us.
24:26
Speaker 7: The money back.
24:27
Speaker 10: It's it's a very dangerous precedent. And I think you
24:29
Speaker 10: gave the money the Turf Club. Of what they did
24:31
Speaker 10: with it is one issue, but how the government gave
24:34
Speaker 10: the money is really what the issue is, and no
24:36
Speaker 10: one is addressing that exactly. Accuses Michael Gunner refuses to
24:39
Speaker 10: talk about that component.
24:40
Speaker 5: But exactly I put.
24:41
Speaker 3: In two hundred questions about that.
24:43
Speaker 4: Indeed I did. So you know, this is this is
24:46
Speaker 4: a crazy situation. We've got an IKIC report drop saying
24:49
Speaker 4: government gave away twelve million dollars on a dodgy grand
24:52
Speaker 4: stand deal.
24:53
Speaker 6: You go, misone in the government.
24:55
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I'm not saying that.
24:59
Speaker 6: It doesn't clear the cleansing government.
25:01
Speaker 11: I'm just saying it's interesting that that ik report makes,
25:05
Speaker 11: you know, just talking.
25:07
Speaker 7: Isn't that coincidental and very unusual.
25:09
Speaker 5: It's just talking to that point, Matt.
25:11
Speaker 4: It's very clearly states at the start of the report
25:13
Speaker 4: that the k did not look at confidential matters, privileged
25:18
Speaker 4: cabinet and confidence or confidential communications between ministers.
25:21
Speaker 5: That was all excluded exactly.
25:23
Speaker 11: So like, what sort of process is it that it
25:25
Speaker 11: can't look at where the real issue is it has
25:27
Speaker 11: to go.
25:27
Speaker 10: Then it's a private enterprise bags everyone. No one actually
25:31
Speaker 10: broke the law. No laws have been broken that I
25:34
Speaker 10: have seen, and this and.
25:35
Speaker 11: The defense and the defense that the government nothing. It
25:38
Speaker 11: didn't make any find against us.
25:40
Speaker 4: It couldn't because it doesn't.
25:43
Speaker 5: It doesn't hold water.
25:44
Speaker 4: And that's why we asked two hundred questions which were
25:46
Speaker 4: ignored and fastically answered by the gun of government. But
25:49
Speaker 4: going back, you know the Chief Minister when that ICIC
25:51
Speaker 4: report drop came out and said the whole board have
25:53
Speaker 4: to go, they've got to get the sack and we're
25:56
Speaker 4: going to claw back the money and all this tough talk,
25:58
Speaker 4: the implication of that was at sixteen hundred community organizations
26:02
Speaker 4: around the territory, we're going to be at the whim
26:04
Speaker 4: of the Chief Minister if he changed laws to be
26:07
Speaker 4: able to control the governors of community organizations. We always
26:10
Speaker 4: backed our community orgs and said member based organizations deal
26:14
Speaker 4: with this by voting.
26:16
Speaker 5: That's how it should be.
26:17
Speaker 4: The Chief Minister should not have the power to be
26:19
Speaker 4: able to go around and sack boards and Keysy is right,
26:22
Speaker 4: you know, they can't go around and claw back money
26:24
Speaker 4: from community organizations either. But it's a desperate government falling
26:28
Speaker 4: apart on this issue. They've shut us down repeatedly in parliament, Katie.
26:31
Speaker 4: They don't want to talk about it at all because
26:33
Speaker 4: they're happy to light to your face over the radio
26:35
Speaker 4: or on the TV.
26:36
Speaker 5: They're not happy to lie in parliament.
26:38
Speaker 4: And in in response to our two hundred plus questions,
26:41
Speaker 4: we had the same three or four answers copy pasted
26:44
Speaker 4: across all of them.
26:45
Speaker 5: None of them answered the question.
26:46
Speaker 4: And it honestly is a sad day for democracy when
26:49
Speaker 4: you've got a government using every tool in the shed
26:52
Speaker 4: to shut down scrutiny and avoid answering questions.
26:55
Speaker 11: And the other point I'd make is that if the
26:56
Speaker 11: government had a problem with Jtex building the Grandstand before, well,
27:02
Speaker 11: you know it took a couple of years, but I
27:04
Speaker 11: spoke about it plenty of times when I wrote thousands of.
27:06
Speaker 6: Words about it.
27:07
Speaker 11: Yeah, but I didn't see the government at any point
27:09
Speaker 11: at that time step up, step in and say, hang on,
27:12
Speaker 11: we don't think this is right.
27:13
Speaker 6: You're not getting the twelve million bucks.
27:15
Speaker 11: If j tex is building the grand stand, like, if
27:17
Speaker 11: they had a problem with it, then they should have
27:18
Speaker 11: said something.
27:19
Speaker 6: I go, oh, I've sacked the board, and you know
27:22
Speaker 6: the running back.
27:23
Speaker 4: The only people who can give away twelve million dollars
27:25
Speaker 4: is not the Turf Club.
27:26
Speaker 5: It's not Alf Leonardi, it's not anybody.
27:29
Speaker 4: It's Michael Gunner, it's Natasha Files, it's Nicole Manison. It's
27:32
Speaker 4: all of the people in that cabinet who sat down
27:34
Speaker 4: allowed something to come in under the arm that hadn't
27:37
Speaker 4: properly been scrutinized by Treasury or any of their government departments,
27:40
Speaker 4: and make a decision to give away as a lump
27:43
Speaker 4: sum twelve million bucks.
27:44
Speaker 5: That was you guys, nobody else.
27:45
Speaker 10: Cadie. I just want to comment on something that Leah
27:48
Speaker 10: said about, you know, putting in questions on notice in
27:50
Speaker 10: the Chief Minister in his department not answering the questions. Well,
27:54
Speaker 10: this is obvious It happened in the last sittings and
27:55
Speaker 10: the sittings before the Chief Minister and the Government shut
27:58
Speaker 10: down debate on many things the Opposition brought up. So
28:01
Speaker 10: the Chief Minister, with obviously the agreement of the Speaker,
28:05
Speaker 10: cancel the sittings. So the Chief Minister will go to
28:08
Speaker 10: any extent not so long to actually on the COVID lockdown.
28:18
Speaker 10: Governments still operating. The New South Wales government is still operating,
28:21
Speaker 10: and the Victorian government is still operating, but not the
28:23
Speaker 10: little Northern Territory government doesn't want to answer questions, so
28:27
Speaker 10: he shuts down parliament.
28:28
Speaker 3: Are those days going to be made up?
28:30
Speaker 9: So, Katie, we went into the lockdown on the Monday,
28:32
Speaker 9: as everyone knows, and our lockdown was not about continuation
28:36
Speaker 9: of business. It was stopping everything, stopping all the movement
28:39
Speaker 9: to stop any potential spread of the virus. And yes,
28:41
Speaker 9: three days of parliament, just like many things were interrupted,
28:44
Speaker 9: the down festival, etcetera. And so we believe that the
28:47
Speaker 9: rest of the sitting schedule that we've got can accommodate
28:50
Speaker 9: the government.
28:51
Speaker 3: They're not going to be made up.
28:52
Speaker 8: I haven't finished my sentence, well, bottom, time to.
28:56
Speaker 7: Get what I'm saying is I got my legislation.
28:59
Speaker 4: To business and they don't want to face the music.
29:02
Speaker 4: They don't want to stand in parliament.
29:03
Speaker 5: Just because you are show business.
29:06
Speaker 8: Well go fast.
29:08
Speaker 5: That wasn't on zero.
29:10
Speaker 9: But what I was saying, Katie, we saw parliament interrupted
29:12
Speaker 9: last year significantly.
29:14
Speaker 8: It is unfortunate there was interrupted.
29:15
Speaker 9: But if we do need to schedule sittings days, we
29:18
Speaker 9: will and I've already had that conversation with the speaker.
29:20
Speaker 4: It's not about whether you need to Parliament only sits
29:23
Speaker 4: for about thirty days a year, and if you take
29:26
Speaker 4: out three days, you take out ten percent of the
29:28
Speaker 4: available parliament time. That's when a government is scrutinized. All
29:32
Speaker 4: governments around in the West Winds the system are responsible
29:35
Speaker 4: and accountable.
29:36
Speaker 3: To the permal commit.
29:38
Speaker 5: We're not spe now, you don't have any business.
29:42
Speaker 8: You just said we're not.
29:43
Speaker 4: We're not in lockdown. We can abslill a meeting. We're
29:47
Speaker 4: sitting in a room.
29:48
Speaker 5: With five people.
29:49
Speaker 2: Don't beished. It's a very important question. R MLA is
29:52
Speaker 2: essential workers.
29:54
Speaker 7: Yes, they would declared essential.
29:55
Speaker 3: Words, So why not go to work?
29:57
Speaker 4: So, Katie, because they don't questions by me, they don't
30:00
Speaker 4: want me asking them questions. They don't want me running
30:02
Speaker 4: important business that territories are asking us to run. They
30:05
Speaker 4: want to run and hide. They hate parliament because it
30:08
Speaker 4: means they're under the pump. They've got no business, nothing
30:11
Speaker 4: to do, and they.
30:11
Speaker 5: Don't want to face the music. They don't face such
30:13
Speaker 5: a question of the opposition.
30:18
Speaker 3: Schedule. Negative.
30:22
Speaker 8: People are sick of the wing.
30:24
Speaker 3: All right, let's hear it.
30:25
Speaker 4: It's not the feedback I'm getting in Berry Springs this week.
30:27
Speaker 11: I heard you.
30:28
Speaker 8: It is sitting on your phone in Berry Springs. That's
30:30
Speaker 8: what I heard.
30:33
Speaker 2: And I'm just going to turn all your microphones down
30:35
Speaker 2: for a second. You're all down for a second. Let's
30:37
Speaker 2: all take three seconds to calm down, and when we
30:40
Speaker 2: come back, let's hold off on the personal insults and
30:43
Speaker 2: go from there.
30:43
Speaker 9: So, Katie, in all seriousness, in terms of parliament, it
30:46
Speaker 9: is important to Territorians. And what I have said is
30:49
Speaker 9: we believe we can manage the parliamentary business. But if
30:51
Speaker 9: we need additional days and we don't know what's going
30:53
Speaker 9: to happen, Katie, we might end up in another I
30:55
Speaker 9: don't want it to happen, but we might end up
30:57
Speaker 9: in another lockdown.
30:58
Speaker 8: But I have looked at the.
30:59
Speaker 9: Leg that is before the House, the scheduled legislation we need,
31:03
Speaker 9: and we will work with the Speaker to odd additional
31:05
Speaker 9: days if we need to.
31:06
Speaker 4: Katie, let me just say last sittings we had hardly
31:10
Speaker 4: anything any government business, so much so that they brought
31:13
Speaker 4: on urgency a bill to amend the Parole Board makeup, like, oh,
31:18
Speaker 4: who's going to be the chair of the Parole Board?
31:19
Speaker 3: Quick?
31:19
Speaker 5: We better pass out on urgency.
31:21
Speaker 4: Urgent legislation is reserved for things that are like really urgent.
31:25
Speaker 4: It means it means no one can scrutinize it, no
31:28
Speaker 4: one gets time to be consulted on it. It just
31:30
Speaker 4: happens immediately and is jammed through by government. Now, government
31:33
Speaker 4: brought that up before the lockdown in the first week
31:35
Speaker 4: of sittings, ready to pass in the second week, and
31:38
Speaker 4: now all of a sudden, oh well, we can just
31:40
Speaker 4: deal with it in September. So it wasn't urgent at all.
31:43
Speaker 4: It was because they had nothing to do and they thought, oh, jeepers,
31:46
Speaker 4: we've got this one ready to go, why don't we
31:48
Speaker 4: bring that forward. The Parliament is not just about government business.
31:51
Speaker 4: What about the independent and opposition members who have the
31:54
Speaker 4: opportunity to ask questions in question time and on Wednesday,
31:57
Speaker 4: it's actually the opposition and independent members who run the
32:00
Speaker 4: agenda for the entire afternoon. They now, if they don't
32:04
Speaker 4: bring those three days of parliament back, that means the
32:07
Speaker 4: opposition and independent members have no chance to scrutinize government
32:10
Speaker 4: during question time, no time, no opportunity to run their
32:14
Speaker 4: own motions are about issues across the territory. So it's
32:17
Speaker 4: not fine for government to say, oh, that's all right,
32:19
Speaker 4: we can just jam it into September. You are removing
32:22
Speaker 4: three clear days from the sittings week of being scrutinized
32:25
Speaker 4: by the very people elected to do that job. And
32:28
Speaker 4: that is not okay. That is a breach of our
32:30
Speaker 4: democratic right to do that. And territories elect us to
32:33
Speaker 4: be in parliament. You're the government, it's your job to
32:36
Speaker 4: face up to scrutiny.
32:37
Speaker 10: Well, you know, and I agree with Leah too much
32:39
Speaker 10: of the extent because as an independent, you know, I
32:42
Speaker 10: take the opportunity to comment on legislation where it's relevant
32:45
Speaker 10: to my rule area or rule people and my constituents.
32:49
Speaker 10: The Parole Board legislation not particularly relevant, but it's an
32:51
Speaker 10: important piece of legislation because the Parole Board is exceptionally
32:55
Speaker 10: busy doing what they do, and the one chairman at
32:57
Speaker 10: the moment is a very busy charge and it was
33:00
Speaker 10: going to be a piece of legislation that the Chief
33:02
Speaker 10: Justice and the courts asked for. But Lea's quite correct,
33:05
Speaker 10: you know, if it was so urgent, why do we
33:07
Speaker 10: cancel parliament?
33:07
Speaker 2: Now?
33:08
Speaker 10: As an independent I can talk on that bill. I
33:09
Speaker 10: can talk in a German about things happening in my elective,
33:12
Speaker 10: any other piece of legislation, the GBD question time, question time,
33:16
Speaker 10: So I have been denied that opportunity last sittings or
33:19
Speaker 10: the one before the Minister Pate got up and shut
33:23
Speaker 10: the parliament down at the end of the day.
33:24
Speaker 7: We didn't even get a chance to do in a German.
33:26
Speaker 7: Now that is that has never happened.
33:28
Speaker 8: To my knowledge of my twelve or thirty.
33:30
Speaker 10: Years in the parliament, not even the opportunity to talk
33:33
Speaker 10: about something in'm elected, which is just nice usually nice things,
33:36
Speaker 10: or to acknowledge people's achievements. But he got up and
33:39
Speaker 10: shut the parliament, so no one on the cross bench
33:41
Speaker 10: has got a chance to talk about anything in a Germany.
33:44
Speaker 4: That was the night before the Ikak report dropped on
33:47
Speaker 4: the Turf Club.
33:47
Speaker 7: But the government that shut down parliament and wielding.
33:51
Speaker 4: Their power to manipulate parliament, which is a disgrace. Our
33:54
Speaker 4: entire democratic system is founded upon this basis that we
33:57
Speaker 4: elect people to represent us in parliament. If the government
34:00
Speaker 4: he's got no business, that's their problem. We've got plenty
34:02
Speaker 4: of things to do. We represent thousands, tens of thousands
34:05
Speaker 4: of people collectively as an opposition and independent who have
34:08
Speaker 4: questions for us to ask the government.
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Speaker 5: They have to face the music. These are not additional days.
34:12
Speaker 4: I heard Natasha saying, you know, if we need additional days,
34:15
Speaker 4: we'll schedule them. No, these are the scheduled days. The
34:18
Speaker 4: scheduled days, they are our process of our democracy, and
34:21
Speaker 4: so they need to be rescheduled for you know, tack
34:24
Speaker 4: them on the back of the week in September. But
34:26
Speaker 4: they cannot be just destroyed and disbanded with that's ten
34:30
Speaker 4: percent of our only opportunity for scrutiny just gone.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's a fair enough question to be raising.
34:36
Speaker 2: I think it's certainly a fair enough discussion to be
34:38
Speaker 2: having about whether those days should be rescheduled before we
34:41
Speaker 2: move along though I do want to just ask, you know,
34:43
Speaker 2: the conversation that obviously kicked that whole discussion off was
34:47
Speaker 2: what's going on with that with the Turf Club board
34:50
Speaker 2: obviously the reelection or the election of new members, but
34:55
Speaker 2: very keen to find out, Matt, I know that you're
34:56
Speaker 2: reporting that there is a second former Turf Club board
34:59
Speaker 2: member has commenced legal action against the Nteesoundy corruption watchdogs,
35:03
Speaker 2: seeking to strike out those adverse findings made against them.
35:07
Speaker 2: I've really got to wonder where all this is going
35:09
Speaker 2: to land with this report in the Supreme Court.
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Speaker 11: Well, not confirmed, but I believe there may be other
35:15
Speaker 11: challenges Supreme Court challenges against that report as well, And
35:19
Speaker 11: that makes me wonder where this all ends up. If
35:23
Speaker 11: this goes to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court
35:27
Speaker 11: rules against the Ikak right or settles out of court
35:31
Speaker 11: or whatever the case may be, where does that then
35:34
Speaker 11: leave the situation with what's happened with the Turf Club
35:37
Speaker 11: and the Turf Club Board, where the government has effectively
35:39
Speaker 11: said you need to be off that board. You know,
35:43
Speaker 11: Bret Dixon, the Game Roalty, you need to be off
35:45
Speaker 11: that board. If suddenly there is a legal decision that
35:48
Speaker 11: goes the other way. But then does that open recourse
35:51
Speaker 11: for them to say I was kicked off the board
35:53
Speaker 11: because you know, the government.
35:55
Speaker 10: Of a report that's now been found to be flawed. Well,
35:57
Speaker 10: and you see that happens, I listened to something that
36:01
Speaker 10: might have been matt you or might have read it
36:03
Speaker 10: somewhere about individuals and people aside, the actual Turf Club as.
36:07
Speaker 7: An institution has had its name tarnished.
36:10
Speaker 10: So as I understand it, the new board will be
36:13
Speaker 10: looking at how its reputation and image has been affected
36:16
Speaker 10: by the report and whether it as an institution needs
36:21
Speaker 10: to take legal action or find redress. So it's one
36:23
Speaker 10: thing to have individuals perhaps going to the courts for
36:26
Speaker 10: redress and to have judicial reviews of the report. But
36:29
Speaker 10: it's another thing that the actual turf Club itself might
36:31
Speaker 10: decide but to go forward.
36:33
Speaker 8: With some kind of legal action.
36:34
Speaker 4: But what it doesn't change is the fact that it
36:36
Speaker 4: was government who gave that twelve million dollars away. And
36:39
Speaker 4: it doesn't change the fact that even though the government
36:41
Speaker 4: called for the board to resign and they were all
36:43
Speaker 4: disgraced and everything else that government said about them, and
36:47
Speaker 4: you know, government boycotted the races until they all resigned.
36:50
Speaker 4: The Chief Minster then went an appointed one of those
36:52
Speaker 4: very same board members to one of his own government boards.
36:56
Speaker 4: So we've got the turf Club board being told to
36:58
Speaker 4: be sacked and resigned, one of those people doing exactly
37:01
Speaker 4: as government asked, and then pops up as a chair
37:04
Speaker 4: of the government board, you know, a couple of weeks later. So,
37:07
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just a disgrace what has been happening
37:10
Speaker 4: with this saga and the lack of ANSWER's lack of
37:13
Speaker 4: scrutiny just shows a desperate government baring their head in
37:16
Speaker 4: the sand, trying to make this goal away.
37:18
Speaker 11: The other thing, just to bring it back to the
37:19
Speaker 11: issue with the IKAK, the other thing, I think that
37:22
Speaker 11: is becoming an issue, and I think that Territorians who
37:25
Speaker 11: pay the taxes that pay these pay for these things,
37:28
Speaker 11: deserve to know. Is how much the IKACK is paying
37:31
Speaker 11: on legal fees or on several I'm not asking Cheesier
37:36
Speaker 11: to say how much she was paid or whether she
37:38
Speaker 11: was paid or not, because I know she can't. Right
37:40
Speaker 11: there's a confidentiality agreement in place, but it's taxpayers money
37:44
Speaker 11: that's being used to either fight these things in the
37:46
Speaker 11: Supreme court or settle these things, and therefore I think
37:49
Speaker 11: we need to be upfront about how much that's costing.
37:52
Speaker 6: Territorians the lot already. Well you probably know.
37:55
Speaker 7: Better, costing the taxpayers a lot money.
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Speaker 3: Well we'll take yeah, we'll take a very short break.
38:03
Speaker 2: I think there's still plenty of discussion to be had
38:05
Speaker 2: on that topic, but lots of other things as well.
38:07
Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one or four point nine's
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Speaker 2: three sixty. It is the week that was.
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Speaker 1: Three sixties, the week that was thanks to the silver
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Speaker 1: hebron your local lawyers.
38:16
Speaker 2: You are listening to the week that was also broadcasting
38:19
Speaker 2: on ADH. And well we're almost done for the morning,
38:23
Speaker 2: but we know the local council elections are happening this weekend.
38:27
Speaker 3: We've been catching up with a lot of the different candidates.
38:29
Speaker 2: It's certainly been an interesting week and yeah, we'll all
38:32
Speaker 2: be heading to the polls if we haven't already.
38:35
Speaker 3: I think Alice Springs, they've got a large field for
38:38
Speaker 3: the for the mayor. It's almost it's only got about five. No,
38:42
Speaker 3: I thought it was a few more. I could be wrong, Yeah, but.
38:45
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's posters everywhere, Katie.
38:48
Speaker 10: It's good that people I think it's good that people
38:50
Speaker 10: are putting their hand forward, like out in Lichfield, Big Field,
38:55
Speaker 10: not only not only for the mayor. I think there's
38:56
Speaker 10: about six going for the mayoral position, but we've got
38:58
Speaker 10: at least there's two two councilors per ward and a few Wards,
39:02
Speaker 10: but they've got seven to six nominations.
39:05
Speaker 2: Actually really impressed with the Lichfield candidates, the mayor candidates
39:08
Speaker 2: that I spoke to earlier in the week.
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Speaker 10: I think they're all good and I think Marie Bredhouse,
39:11
Speaker 10: you know it's going to be a tough race, but
39:14
Speaker 10: also the Wards, I just.
39:15
Speaker 7: Think it's good that.
39:16
Speaker 10: I don't know whether the COVID situation in the communities
39:18
Speaker 10: change people's thinking, but everyone's prepared to put up their hand. Okay,
39:22
Speaker 10: so people are more they've got more of a chance
39:25
Speaker 10: than others. I mean, that's just just the way it is.
39:27
Speaker 10: But I think the same for Darlin. I've looked on
39:29
Speaker 10: the website.
39:30
Speaker 7: There's lots of candidates put in their names up at Palmerston.
39:32
Speaker 2: Can be good that people absolutely believe in themselves and
39:37
Speaker 2: have a great community.
39:38
Speaker 4: It's good and early votings made it really easy, so
39:41
Speaker 4: you know, don't forget for Council elections. Voting day is tomorrow,
39:44
Speaker 4: but you can easily access a voting center today and
39:47
Speaker 4: just pop in and out.
39:48
Speaker 5: I know that's what I did. It was super easy.
39:50
Speaker 2: And then well, September eleventh, we're going to see the
39:53
Speaker 2: Daily by election.
39:54
Speaker 3: That's going to be interesting.
39:55
Speaker 5: That's a big hoo hoo yah.
39:59
Speaker 4: It's a fantastic stick opportunity for people out in the
40:02
Speaker 4: electorate of Daily. I know, I've been out in Burry
40:05
Speaker 4: Springs and out all around the traps talking to people
40:09
Speaker 4: and they're really angry in the way the Gunner government
40:12
Speaker 4: have dealt with crime, dealt with our economy and just
40:16
Speaker 4: the plain avoidance of scrutiny. So our message to people
40:19
Speaker 4: in Daily is really clear. You know, we need a
40:21
Speaker 4: strong opposition to continue to hold this government to account.
40:24
Speaker 4: This election is not going to change the government, so
40:28
Speaker 4: you know it puts up put Chris Civitries on our team.
40:30
Speaker 4: He will be a very strong voice for people in
40:32
Speaker 4: Daily and we can then keep ensuring that this government
40:37
Speaker 4: are on their toes and doing better, making better decisions
40:40
Speaker 4: for Territorians.
40:40
Speaker 9: So I'm sure to choose a great candidate from Central Australia.
40:43
Speaker 4: Yours is from Darwin who works on the fifth floor
40:46
Speaker 4: for Selena. He's from New South Wales. Yours does not
40:49
Speaker 4: intend to even move into a.
40:52
Speaker 5: Smile and a laugh.
40:53
Speaker 8: Mate, It's all good.
40:54
Speaker 3: You don't need to be negative about it started.
40:59
Speaker 4: Just well, I think it's people in glasshouses, your candid.
41:06
Speaker 5: It's a spin.
41:08
Speaker 3: Alright, go fasting.
41:10
Speaker 11: Chris is a spin doctor, tomms spin doctor.
41:18
Speaker 7: I've taken the mic from her listeners.
41:20
Speaker 12: Now.
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Speaker 10: I just think we should go to the bookies and
41:22
Speaker 10: see what the book is saying. All right, and there's
41:28
Speaker 10: another one, the territory Fellow bit right, So go to
41:30
Speaker 10: the bookies and they'll tell you who.
41:36
Speaker 8: It's going to be very interesting.
41:38
Speaker 6: I don't know the history, but you guys might.
41:40
Speaker 11: Has the government ever won a seat back off the
41:43
Speaker 11: opposition at a by election?
41:45
Speaker 12: Not sure.
41:46
Speaker 5: I don't know.
41:47
Speaker 8: Interesting story.
41:48
Speaker 9: And it's an interesting seat because it's a hybrid seat,
41:50
Speaker 9: so it's got bush and that you know, rural makeup,
41:56
Speaker 9: and it's a seat that's been held by both Labor
41:58
Speaker 9: and the CLP. But I think Terratorius they want a good,
42:01
Speaker 9: strong local.
42:02
Speaker 6: I think it's interesting.
42:03
Speaker 11: I think that Gary Higgins had a very strong personal
42:07
Speaker 11: following in that seat, and particularly a very strong personal
42:10
Speaker 11: following out at what Air and Peppi and Plumper and
42:14
Speaker 11: so it's going to be interesting to see whether that
42:16
Speaker 11: vote carries over to the COLP if Gary's not there
42:18
Speaker 11: on the ground campaigning as he was for Ian Sloan
42:21
Speaker 11: at the twenty sixth, the last election.
42:23
Speaker 8: So Arian and Gary campaigning for the c LP LEO.
42:26
Speaker 4: Yeah, they've been supporting us. So I noticed Michael Gunner
42:29
Speaker 4: is not campaigning for your own candidate. We haven't seen
42:32
Speaker 4: Michael Gunner with the anywhere near the candidate, and I
42:35
Speaker 4: can only assume that's because it's the candidate who threatened
42:39
Speaker 4: a member of Parliament outside of Parliament, and Michael Gunner
42:41
Speaker 4: is trying to distance himself.
42:43
Speaker 7: I'm not sure Michael Gunner knows where the elector of Daily.
42:45
Speaker 5: I think he does either, I don't think.
42:51
Speaker 4: I think it's been very interesting to see Michael Gunner
42:53
Speaker 4: distanced himself from their own candidate.
42:57
Speaker 11: Remember you remember in the sixteen in the twenty sixteen election,
43:03
Speaker 11: Michael Dunner and the Labour Red Shirts went to Water
43:06
Speaker 11: and spent like three days there with Patrick Dodson and
43:09
Speaker 11: others trying to win that seat.
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Speaker 6: Blah blah blah blah blah.
43:13
Speaker 1: And they did it.
43:13
Speaker 11: Interesting signs up on the Saturday morning and.
43:17
Speaker 3: He still discerning.
43:20
Speaker 10: What I will say is and you're quite correct. It's
43:23
Speaker 10: a hybrid seat, you know, bushy done Riverboo springs.
43:25
Speaker 8: Correct.
43:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna have but it's.
43:29
Speaker 7: Going to be a very interesting seat.
43:30
Speaker 3: And they're discerning.
43:31
Speaker 10: Voters table trust about fools, vote for who they believe in.
43:36
Speaker 6: Trust him.
43:36
Speaker 2: All right, we better wrap up. Leo the Opposition leader,
43:39
Speaker 2: thank you for your time this morning.
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Speaker 5: Thank you very much everyone.
43:42
Speaker 2: Matt Cunningham from Sky News, thanks for joining us today.
43:45
Speaker 2: We've got Keezier Puig, thank you very much. The Independent members.
43:48
Speaker 10: Katie Coolinger markets are back on this Saturday morning at
43:51
Speaker 10: Kolinga or Friends past I should say good stuff.
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Speaker 3: And Natasha Philes the Health Minister, thank you.
43:56
Speaker 9: A shout out to the Traveling Film Festival. They're lighting
43:58
Speaker 9: up all the water towers. People should check that out.
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Speaker 3: Awesome.
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Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one oh four point nine's
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Speaker 2: three point sixty.
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Speaker 3: That was the week that was