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Celebrating Independence Day With Richard Howell and OneLegUpAlex! 7-4-25 · OneLegUpAlex Media

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  Speaker 1: I see firewords, I see the patchums and puff it up.
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  Speaker 2: That is from the musical seventeen seventy six John Adams.
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  Speaker 2: There will be fireworks tonight. There have been parades all
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  Speaker 2: day two hundred and forty nine years later since you
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  Speaker 2: and the founding fathers really founded America in Philadelphia at
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  Speaker 2: Independence Hall, to America two d July second, the approval,
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  Speaker 2: July fourth, the adoption of the Declaration of Independence, and
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  Speaker 2: now August second, the signing of the Declaration of Independence,
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  Speaker 2: all need to have re enactments for year two fifty.
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  Speaker 2: It's the right way to honor two hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 2: years of what our founding fathers did to be free
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  Speaker 2: from Britain and to make us an amazing country.
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  Speaker 1: I am my issue with the big beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: Bill, but I still think America is beautiful, and I
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  Speaker 2: think through all our flaws, to make it to year
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  Speaker 2: forty nine should give us hope that we can make
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  Speaker 2: it to your year two fifty and beyond. But to
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  Speaker 2: truly honor those anniversaries, do it right America to fifty. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we can have a UFC fight White House on July
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  Speaker 2: the fourth, which will be a Saturday, maybe Chicago the
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  Speaker 2: band should be involved as well, you know, Saturday in
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  Speaker 2: the park. I think it was the fourth of July. Hello,
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  Speaker 2: it will be the fourth of July on a Saturday.
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  Speaker 2: Have Chicago the band get involved here. But beyond that,
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  Speaker 2: to really make it his goal and meaningful, we gather
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  Speaker 2: up the revement troops, if you will, to honor the
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  Speaker 2: approval July second, seventeen seventy six, the adoption July fourth,
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  Speaker 2: vineteen seventy six, and then the signing of the Declaration
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  Speaker 2: of Dependence August second, seventeen seventy six. All an independence
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  Speaker 2: Hall that.
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  Speaker 1: Would truly make.
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  Speaker 2: This anniversary of two point fifty a memorable one, as
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  Speaker 2: John Amazon right. But for now, Richard Hall and I
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  Speaker 2: our conversation about the meaning of July the fourth, seventeen
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  Speaker 2: seventy six.
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  Speaker 1: The controversy so called to the degree it was, and
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't much one then as it is become later
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  Speaker 1: with some people, you know, was later on July fourth
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  Speaker 1: became the immediate time to celebrate. That's when people would celebrate.
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  Speaker 1: Every year after that, they would celebrate July fourth, seventeen
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  Speaker 1: seventy seven. They celebrated July fourth. They didn't celebrate the
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  Speaker 1: second as the day.
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  Speaker 2: Because that's when it was signed. I mean it was
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  Speaker 2: officially signed on July fourth.
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  Speaker 1: That well, yeah, it was signed. That's it's like today,
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  Speaker 1: you know today, like then, when you pass a bill,
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  Speaker 1: you pass the law becomes it's not law until the
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  Speaker 1: president signs it.
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  Speaker 2: Right, And you know it's funny about that is he
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  Speaker 2: wants to sign this big beat of a bill on
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  Speaker 2: July fourth or around it. So he talked about keeping
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  Speaker 2: in history.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, wouldn't that be something? Right? And you know,
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  Speaker 1: taking a look at that, don't forget they passed as
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  Speaker 1: the resolution on July second, but they still have two
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  Speaker 1: days to go through a document the day I've been
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  Speaker 1: going through for the previous six weeks, and they have there.
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  Speaker 2: You might have mentioned they were still changing a little
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  Speaker 2: bit leading up to July fourth, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well to July fourth, between the second and the fourth,
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  Speaker 1: not at its past because it hadn't passed yet. They
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  Speaker 1: figured it might, they figured it what But now they're
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  Speaker 1: they because this is it. They have to get it
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  Speaker 1: down to where Okay, this is the declaration, we've passed it,
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  Speaker 1: We're going to do this, this is what's going to
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  Speaker 1: be the day. This is when it becomes official. This
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  Speaker 1: is when we do it. Rich.
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  Speaker 2: I can't imagining that debate hall, the debate of independence
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  Speaker 2: all it seems like there was a bunch of shouting
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  Speaker 2: and all that. Maybe I'm misconsuring, but it feels like
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  Speaker 2: there was just a bunch of chaos leading up to
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  Speaker 2: all of this. What was the most serious debate that
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  Speaker 2: they had and then maybe the funniest debate that they
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  Speaker 2: had going about all this.
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  Speaker 1: I would say, the more solemn debate what's on itself?
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  Speaker 1: You know, the actual break for certain but what direction
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  Speaker 1: they were going in and it was a move that
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  Speaker 1: they knew they had to make. It wasn't one that
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  Speaker 1: they've been beating the drums about literally from years and year.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're finally getting her. It was a very
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  Speaker 1: serious moment for them. It was a very, very as
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  Speaker 1: I said, solemn moment, a very a moment of great
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  Speaker 1: gravity and the if they didn't come down to gee,
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  Speaker 1: are we doing the right thing by fighting? Everybody agreed
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  Speaker 1: that was the right thing to do. I'll use John
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  Speaker 1: Dickinson as an example. John Dickinson was one of the
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  Speaker 1: leading voices to oppose all of these measures coming out
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  Speaker 1: of Great Britain, I mean resistant with every ounce you had.
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  Speaker 1: He was not an advocate for independence at this time,
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  Speaker 1: but he wasn't against it. He just thought it was
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  Speaker 1: too soon. Now that was misconstrued in him being a Tory.
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  Speaker 1: There was a famous play in a movie that comes out,
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  Speaker 1: and that's the complete miss representation of who John Dickinson was.
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  Speaker 1: Now that performer is a great performer.
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  Speaker 2: He was.
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  Speaker 1: All of those men were, But that was very inaccurate
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  Speaker 1: for a lot of them. And although they get the
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  Speaker 1: Adams Jefferson thing down a little bit, but they make
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  Speaker 1: them in early seventies kinds of characters and it's just
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  Speaker 1: not the way it was in Franklin too. Dickinson was
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  Speaker 1: of the belief that, you know, all these great English
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  Speaker 1: traditions are ours. Why do we have to break the
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  Speaker 1: ones that are committing these offenses? And when you look
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  Speaker 1: at them, I mean you seriously look at the declaration,
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  Speaker 1: you look at the writings before that, you look at
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  Speaker 1: English jurisprudence in England, forget America for the previous hundred years,
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  Speaker 1: previous one hundred and fifty years. You see that that's
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  Speaker 1: where the departure is. And you know that was part
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  Speaker 1: of his concern. It wasn't he was against them, not
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  Speaker 1: at all. If he was against it, he would have
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  Speaker 1: stormed out of the room, and you know, at the
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  Speaker 1: very least state in his manner for the rest of
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  Speaker 1: the war. He doesn't do that. He abstained so the
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  Speaker 1: declaration can pass unanimously, so he supports it in his
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  Speaker 1: own way. He supports it, and in he continues to
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  Speaker 1: become a militia general in the Pennsylvania and Delaware militias.
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  Speaker 1: He ends up leaving both provinces and states at different times.
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  Speaker 2: Richard, I got to ask you this, he abstained by
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  Speaker 2: you know, in today's world, we see politicians literally trying
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  Speaker 2: to get people's vote. You know, they literally lobby other
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  Speaker 2: senators and other congress people, even the president as the
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  Speaker 2: lobby of times. Who was doing the most talking, I
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  Speaker 2: guess you mentioned Adams. Was he the guy that was
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  Speaker 2: rallying that everybody to do this or were there others
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  Speaker 2: that were vocal as well?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was really he was really probably the most
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  Speaker 1: prominent open voice behind the scenes. People I would say,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Patrick Henry and Sam Adams, who were probably
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  Speaker 1: the most prominent men in that room at that point
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  Speaker 1: outside of Franklin very quietly. We're behind the scenes because
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  Speaker 1: at this point this also speaks to who these men were.
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  Speaker 1: These men literally recede into the background and Jefferson and
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  Speaker 1: John Adams take their places really in many ways, so
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  Speaker 1: they're very much working on this. Richard Henry Lee's another
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  Speaker 1: one who works on this. You know, the delegations that
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  Speaker 1: they really, you know, are concerned as to geus this
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  Speaker 1: is the right time. Maryland is one. A couple of
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  Speaker 1: people in Delaware, one Delaware individual in particular, but he
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  Speaker 1: definitely turns around Georgia a little bit, not as much.
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  Speaker 1: But South Carolina. Now, South Carolina wants to fight, there's
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  Speaker 1: no question about it. And you know they have that
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  Speaker 1: North Carolina wants to fight too. So the debate is,
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  Speaker 1: this is why we need to do it now. Everybody
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  Speaker 1: realized the time was coming, it was inevitable. At this point,
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  Speaker 1: what else you gonna do? You know, again, there's nobody
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  Speaker 1: to appeal to in England, never mind the UK. Specifically
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  Speaker 1: in England, which would have been the big one. The
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  Speaker 1: populace there was sympathetic, but they hadn't really felt the
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  Speaker 1: sting yet. If it had gone on little bit longer,
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  Speaker 1: like it did with Saratoga. I think you would have
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  Speaker 1: seen more action from them. But when the French and
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  Speaker 1: then the Spanish get in the war, they have to
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  Speaker 1: fight them. They can't turn around and say, okay, well,
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  Speaker 1: let's help our American brothers here, even though they do eventually,
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  Speaker 1: And that's another story for another day.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, that's an interesting what you make because
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  Speaker 2: we do become allies with England at some point. Do
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  Speaker 2: you know when that was exactly?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I could tell you probably around seventeen eighty two
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  Speaker 1: eighty three, unofficially, when the Roar is still going on,
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  Speaker 1: ironically enough, and that's another story, because the French and
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  Speaker 1: the Spanish courts are really not friendly to a powerful
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  Speaker 1: free America. They're there to get back at England. Now
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  Speaker 1: let me preface this. We have individuals who acted differently.
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  Speaker 1: You had, you know, Gilbert du Mortier de Lafayette at
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  Speaker 1: Marquis de Lafayette. He definitely was in favor of and
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  Speaker 1: he joins the Continental Army and bleeds at Brandywine. Not
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  Speaker 1: far from you. You have Pierre Dacotineau, who fights along
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  Speaker 1: with John Paul Jones at Flamborough Head had joined the
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  Speaker 1: Continental Navy he's buried actually in Savannah, Georgia. You had
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  Speaker 1: Bernardo di Galvez, who was the governor of Louisiana, who
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  Speaker 1: definitely on his own started supporting the American cause before
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  Speaker 1: Spain gets in the war. And he has to drag
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  Speaker 1: his own generals and admirals along because they're not really
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  Speaker 1: enthused in some cases about some of the campaigns. But
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  Speaker 1: he does, and he captures the entire Gulf coast Admiral
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  Speaker 1: Cordoba out of Spain, he captures probably one of the
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  Speaker 1: richest halls in maritime history for goods, gold, silver, and
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  Speaker 1: most of that gets turn over to America to help
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  Speaker 1: support the war. So we do have contributions they make
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  Speaker 1: that are enormously helpful to us. But as far as
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  Speaker 1: France and Spain winning the war for us, that's garbage.
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  Speaker 1: We probably did more for them than they did for us.
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  Speaker 1: They were able to get islands and territory back that
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  Speaker 1: they would not have been able to get back on
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  Speaker 1: their own if there wasn't an American revolution. All right,
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  Speaker 1: we already really wants to capture a British army. Now
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  Speaker 1: French help us in Yorktown, so we have a second
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  Speaker 1: capture there. But they're also Hessian soldiers that are fighting
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  Speaker 1: in the ranks of the British, So the British are
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  Speaker 1: fighting along by themselves.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I gotta have more No all this history,
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  Speaker 2: and I also think of today's world, where we're going
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  Speaker 2: to see another round of protest on July the fourth.
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  Speaker 2: It's like people are not grateful for what the American
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  Speaker 2: the founding fathers did to provide them a country. They're
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  Speaker 2: not well.
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  Speaker 1: Keep in mind, back in the Revolutionary War, twenty percent
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  Speaker 1: of the populace was on the other side, and if
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  Speaker 1: we break down the numbers here today, that's similar and
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  Speaker 1: I think you are correct, I think a lot more
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  Speaker 1: are And what we wanted to do, Alex, because what
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  Speaker 1: we want to do to really make this relevant to
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  Speaker 1: the time frame here is concentrate on what they did,
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  Speaker 1: not on the naysayers today, or the naysayers in between,
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  Speaker 1: or even the naysayers. Then we can address them a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more and knock that out of the park,
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  Speaker 1: so to speak. Pardon the parlance, but as far as
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  Speaker 1: understanding it, we understand what happened and what they did
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  Speaker 1: and why they did it. It negates any arguments that's
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  Speaker 1: out there and people are more discovering. I see it
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  Speaker 1: all the time. People, regular folks are coming out to
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  Speaker 1: our events and they're saying, Gee, we're happy this is here.
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  Speaker 1: We brought our kids here. I didn't know this before.
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  Speaker 1: I'm appreciating it. My kids are learning this now. That's
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  Speaker 1: what we're seeing in great numbers. You know. So as
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  Speaker 1: far as I mean, these men pulled off quite and
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  Speaker 1: not just the men in an independence hall, but in
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  Speaker 1: the country. I mean, the whole country came together in
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  Speaker 1: great ways. So when it came to the most solemn debate,
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  Speaker 1: it was when you were talking to delegates that said,
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  Speaker 1: is the timing right? Yeah, the timing's right. Now they
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  Speaker 1: all were in favor of fighting. Understand, they'd been fighting
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  Speaker 1: in English history before, so that wasn't No. Declaring independence
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  Speaker 1: was unprecedented. That had not happened yet. So in any
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  Speaker 1: of the colonies that had been set up in the
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  Speaker 1: early modern era that had not happened. You did not
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  Speaker 1: have somebody saying, okay, we're on our own. No, that
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  Speaker 1: didn't happen. This was no. And so that's where it
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  Speaker 1: came to being. And the reason the others came in
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  Speaker 1: was because as the war unfolded, They were fighting in
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  Speaker 1: New York at that point, which is why New York
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  Speaker 1: did not have its instructions. The capitol in New York,
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  Speaker 1: they Assembly couldn't meet in time to give them their instructions.
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  Speaker 1: They do, and they finally give them their instructions after
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  Speaker 1: the fourth They get them on the sixth or seventh
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  Speaker 1: to sign it. But the New York delegation goes ahead
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  Speaker 1: and supports it. But certainly, you know it was it
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  Speaker 1: ran the gamut from New England Wers were ready to
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  Speaker 1: go right away, Virginia and South Carolinians, certainly, Pennsylvanians, some
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  Speaker 1: New Yorkers, Marylanders, some North Carolinians where yeah, we wanted
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  Speaker 1: but is this the time to declare independence? Because that's
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  Speaker 1: what a debate is. It's not about fighting and it's
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  Speaker 1: not about reconciliation yet, it's about is this the time
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  Speaker 1: to do this? Have we exhausted everything? And the answer
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  Speaker 1: did it dawn on all of them obviously because it
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  Speaker 1: was unanimous yes, And they went through that process deliberately
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  Speaker 1: to make sure that yep, this is it and it
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  Speaker 1: was it the most humorous interchange, and it was it
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  Speaker 1: was well needed because everybody was in a solemn frame
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  Speaker 1: of mind at that point. You and I went through
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  Speaker 1: there on Independence Day in twenty two, and we happened
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  Speaker 1: to be there at the exact moment that would have
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  Speaker 1: been signed. And when you go through the records of
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  Speaker 1: the day, they mentioned approving some powder for some of
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  Speaker 1: the forces and signed a declaration. It kept it very
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  Speaker 1: cryptic because the meeting was in closed doors. They kept
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  Speaker 1: it very secret. Now they were solim not because they
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  Speaker 1: were depressed, far from it, but it was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it was a momentous time for them, and what they
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  Speaker 1: had done had been unprecedented, and certainly Providence smiled them
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  Speaker 1: and them and they believe that. But it was okay,
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  Speaker 1: now we have to bring this forward and we're going
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  Speaker 1: to be in for the fight of our lives. And
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  Speaker 1: they were, we were. And so apparently when and I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure which signing this was, because we had different signings.
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  Speaker 1: We had signings on the fourth, we had signings on
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  Speaker 1: August second, and then we had some signings in November.
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  Speaker 1: I believe that year between October and November, Elbridge Jerry
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  Speaker 1: and Benjamin Harrison. Elberg Jerry, command of Massachusetts, Benjamin Harrison
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  Speaker 1: coming from Virginia, the famous Harrison family Elbridge. Jerry becomes famous.
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  Speaker 1: Later Vice President dies in office in the War of
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  Speaker 1: eighteen twelve in eighteen fourteen. Harrison was a very large man.
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  Speaker 1: He was six' to, two probably two hundred and fifty,
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  Speaker 1: pounds but he wasn't. Fat he was a very healthy.
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  Speaker 1: Man And jerry was a very small, man you, know
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  Speaker 1: probably not even five two or one hundred and thirty.
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  Speaker 1: Pounds and so they happen to be signing. Together harrison
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  Speaker 1: turns To jerry and, said, well Mister, jerry you, know
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  Speaker 1: should we be hanging for this, Offense my pain is
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  Speaker 1: going to be a lot quicker than yours because as
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  Speaker 1: soon as they dropped the nussan me and the, floor he,
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  Speaker 1: says my weight and my girth are going to snap my.
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  Speaker 1: Neck immediately he, says with you and your slighter, build
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  Speaker 1: you're going to dangle a little, longer And jerry and
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  Speaker 1: he just broke out, laughing and the other delegates around
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  Speaker 1: him did the same, thing and that was probably the
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  Speaker 1: most humorous event of the.
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  Speaker 2: Session that sound that sounds. Fun and you, know it's
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  Speaker 2: amazing that we were there at the time of the actual,
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  Speaker 2: signing because we had our nice tour guide. There. JOHN
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  Speaker 2: i think you might know him from, before BECAUSE i
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  Speaker 2: believe you introduced us and. Whatnot BUT i really hope
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  Speaker 2: for at least two fifty they bring people in to
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  Speaker 2: do the reenactment of the signing on the two Fifty.
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  Speaker 2: Dinniversity it would just makes.
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  Speaker 1: Sense, RICHARD i agree with. YOU i will say that
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  Speaker 1: the two fiftieth is certainly being held far more accurately
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  Speaker 1: and more proactively than the other you, know the two
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  Speaker 1: twenty fifth or the bice centennial had. Been but there
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  Speaker 1: are things we can improve, on you, know there are
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  Speaker 1: certainly things we can improve move on to do. BETTER
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  Speaker 1: i would pray they do. IT a lot of it
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  Speaker 1: happens to fall On National, park but it also falls
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  Speaker 1: On pennsylvania to, fifty any other two, fifties any other,
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  Speaker 1: states to, say, hey we'll support, this because this should
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  Speaker 1: be a group, effort not on one or two organizations by.
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  Speaker 1: Themselves it should be all thirteen states coming together and, saying,
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  Speaker 1: again let's put something. TOGETHER i agree with. YOU i
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  Speaker 1: have not heard anything about. That in, fact other than
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  Speaker 1: the parade and the normal ceremonies they do, Have i'm
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  Speaker 1: not aware of anything. HAPPENING i have to believe somebody
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  Speaker 1: somewhere is thinking about this beside you AND.
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  Speaker 2: I the other IDEA i had all their WHICH i
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  Speaker 2: think would be the coolest thing On july. Nineteen On july,
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  Speaker 2: ninth twenty twenty, five someone stands in front Of Federal.
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  Speaker 2: Hall BECAUSE i didn't it was in the. Air you.
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  Speaker 2: Know it's in the vicinity Of New York city As
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  Speaker 2: George washerman reads the letter to the troops like they
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  Speaker 2: did in seventeen and six, SIX i should, say, so
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  Speaker 2: how about.
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  Speaker 1: That we should probably do it on the exact, site
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  Speaker 1: BECAUSE i think by that point he was thrown they
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  Speaker 1: were thrown out Of New. York how drives them out
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  Speaker 1: Of New? York him out Of New. York but it's
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  Speaker 1: right near. There it should be on a, vicinity and
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  Speaker 1: there's a nice painting. DONE i think More, cunseler who
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: passed away In, january painted that scene where him reading
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: the declaration to the. TROOPS i believe it was more my.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: APOLOGY i believe it was.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: BECAUSE i know THAT i READ i saw that here's
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: appen and Mobick Paul revere, TikTok he's our geg all
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: In massachusetts. History AND i believe they have a whole
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: ceremony where they read the declaration In boston as, well you, do.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: It's not done by. Us, UNFORTUNATELY i did it during
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: the year OF covid because they shut everything, down and
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: one of my friends who was putting, together, hey let's
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Resurrect july, fourth invited me to come up and read.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: It SO i did it. There but what they do
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: is they go to the Old State house and you
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: have one of the men from The ancient And honorable read.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: It so and these are men who aren't usually used
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: to reading the, declarations so some of those words are
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: a challenge to them at. Times so, YEAH i don't
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: think that's going to be any. DIFFERENT i think they're
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: going to do the same. Thing.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Now you, know mental health hasn't been talking about a
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: lot with these founding. Fathers as they're, strong they're you,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: know they're. Fervent they were you, KNOW i would say alpha.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Masculine WHAT i want to. Say they didn't seem to
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: have the. Emotions but do you do you find your
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: research a lot of these guys were anxious about. Declaring
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: was there any kind of worry or anxiety about all?
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: This? Oh, SURE i mean they knew they Were, see
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: the problem wasn't so much what they were, facing it's
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: what would happen if they did. Nothing there was no you,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: know if going back would have been ten times worse
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: than going. Forward it would have been worse In, america
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: it would have been worse In england and the rest Of.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Britain it just would have been worse all the way.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Around there's like a.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Way to the world thing here with with this, declaring you,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: know there's got to be a way of the world
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: feeling they all.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Had, yeah and part of and the REASON i also
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: say this is there is a trajectory on freedom and
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: this is part of. That and it just developed into
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: The American revolution happened To certainly there are reasons, why
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: and it makes sense WHY i was, here but, uh
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: there was you, know My. God and then it's, like,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: okay you know how you know it's gonna be up
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: to us now because we're the leaders on. This we
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: have to bring this part of it. Forward what do
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: we do to help support the? Army what do we
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: do to help support the? Navy, uh each one of
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: the states now has its own we'll say it theater of.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Operations you have Your we'll Say, connecticut, Right AND i
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: use him Because John trumpell was probably the best act
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: this of all the. Governors and ironically he's the one
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: governor that stays in power during this whole, time from
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: the beginning of the war on. Throw there's another one
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: for a little while he, leaves But trumbull organizes as state.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Forces his home is In, Lebanon, connecticut in, fact very well.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Preserved the only thing they did change is that he
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: had an office that he kept in his, house a separate.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Building they moved that. Over in, fact some friends of
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: mine own a house beyond. It but from that house
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: he literally led the war, effort not just For, connecticut
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: but also helped support The American revolution in. General that's
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Why washington referred to his Brother. Jonathan his son Is John,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: trumbull the, painter and Then Jonathan Trumbell, junior one Of washington's.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: AIDES i, mean it's a very remarkable. Family so Where
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: i'm going with this is you had that in all
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: the different. States you had to have men not only
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: go back and you, know because the states were the
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: ones that were going to feed The Tenental, Army Continental,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: navy the, privateers and they had to do, that and
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: so they had to run their states as, well and
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: of course they had their families to work. With you,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: know their families are going to be largely missing their
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: presence because they were going to be. Elsewhere all of
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: these men who signed this declaration had an incident where
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: one degree they had suffered through the, war either participating
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: in it in one way or the other being, captured
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: which happened in a couple of. Cases but they all
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: ended up or having family, members you, know captured or.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Killed and you, know none of them made money doing.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: This they all lost some money one way or the
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: other during the course of this war later to build
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: it up for those who. Survived but they all ended
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: up really struggling and sacrificing for. Them so when you see.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: THAT i understand from another from one of my previous,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: guests That Richard battle that apparently they were under threat for.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: DECLARING i, mean is it true family members were killed
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: of those at time. DECLARATION i heard something like that
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: that the king was actually either threatening or actually killing
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: those who were what he would, say committing treason there eth.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Oh certainly, RIGHT i, mean there was, certainly you, know
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: a sentence hanging over these. Men, however it's funny when
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: they OR i when they did capture, them they didn't kill.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Them and it wasn't because they had a change of.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Heart it was, because, understand some of the people fighting
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: here In, america not all of them were, generals the or,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: admirals but some of the forces here were officered by
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: members of. Parliament some of them were, lords and some
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: of them were. Captured so we held a number of
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: these men. Too we treated him. Better to be quite
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: frank about, it we, did but we held, them and
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: anytime there was a reprisal, threatened we, said we have
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: this individual. Here you harmed this, individual there will be.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Repercussions so, wow that kind of saved. Them William few
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: down In, georgia his two sons had served in the
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: naval forces and they were captured and they were put
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: in the wall About bay In New york for our,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: listeners that was the Infamous they were infamous prison ships
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: and mostly, sailors but some soldiers were held there. Too
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: so they Approached few himself and they, said, look if
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: you renounced the declaration of, independence we'll free your. Sons
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: he basically told them to take a. Leap he's not
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: going to do. It then they approached his sons at
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: some point and they, said, look if you renounced the
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: declaration of independence in your father's, actions you, know we'll free.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: You and they both told them the same. Thing so
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: they stayed on board those. Ships fortunately they both, survived
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: but they suffered terribly on those, ships so they were
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: not you. Know and he was also told to renounce
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: what they were, doing and he wouldn't do. IT i,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: mean his sons are literally fighting for the liberties that
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: they were putting, forward and they just wouldn't do. It
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Richard stockton In New, jersey he was probably the most famous.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Case he was probably the one who was tortured the
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: greatest in. Captivity, NOW i.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Didn't know all of this going into the. SIGNING i
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: feel like it's just a, woho we, sign we're, free
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: and now we move. ON i feel like you're bringing
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: out something that no one really. Understands, yeah we.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Don't it's not talked about a. Lot we talked about
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: it more, now but it's not talked about a. Lot
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: alex And Richard stockton was an interesting individual because you,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: know he had a son in law and a brother
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: in law who signed a declaration with. Him Elias bodena
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: was his brother in, Law Benjamin rush was his son in.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Law And stockton had BEEN i, believe up in The
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: ticonderoga area supporting the troops and on the way back was.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Captured now they knew who they ad and so this
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: capture Because ticonderoga falls in seventy. Seven so he was
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: held for probably three years, plus told the renounce wouldn't do,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: it held in their terrible, conditions almost, died needed medical.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Treatment washington personally interseeds kind of In No congress certainly,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: does But washington personally interceeds and, says we need to
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: get him out of. Here we have some of your.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Men if you do not let him, out, well they
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: very begrudgingly let him. OUT i think it's maybe seventy, nine,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: eighty say eighty he's. Released his health was, broken and
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: then there were stories that he said or did something
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: that weren't. True they were. Misconstrued so even back, then
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: lives were being spread and they were very soon To.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Wow so fake news is a two hundred for nine,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: year oh year plus. Phenomenon, well you, Know, riching.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: If your future and treachery were very, rife which the other.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: THING i want to cover with you because you AND
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: i talk about it as well as the idea of. Debate,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Right so debating two hundred four nine years, ago people
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: are mad now AND i sometimes get ticked To congress
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: for silly.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Debate not, really.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: But what's going on with the Big american beautiful. Bill
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: both sides are debating the WAY i feel like it
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: was debated on with the. Decoration and people are, like
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: why are you comparing the? TWO i, say because this
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: is a cross roads moment like it was two hundred
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: for nine years. Ago Maybe i'm overreacting, here but it
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: does feel like.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: That well in a way it. IS i don't know
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: if the LEVEL i wouldn't say the level of the
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: debate equals that and, again but it is good.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: To see debate alive and well still two hundred for
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: nine years.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Later is the, point you, know from from my, standpoint you,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: know it's my my other. LIFE i am involved in
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: my politics for, certain.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: You.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Know but the THING i will say is WHEN i present,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: THIS i try not to make too many modern analogies
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: because people get lost they know what's going on, today
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: or they're how SHOULD i put? It even if they're
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: not aware that they're more in they think they're more,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: aware they are more familiar with what's happening, today AND
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: i don't want them to start drawing false parallels or
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: anything like. That and so What i'm going to say,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: is you, know a guy Like, stockton he dies. Later
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: he dies before the end of the. WAR i, mean
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: he dies in seventeen eighty. ONE i don't even know
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: if he lives to See. Yorktown i'm forgetting the month,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: now BUT i will say. This his sons became very.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Prominent his daughters obviously married prominent. Men his, House, malvern
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: was in use for many years as The New Jersey governor's,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: mansion and it's still around. Today so he has a.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: LEGACY i mentioned this before. Too Martha Jefferson Thomas jefferson's,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: wife who we speak little, about very interesting woman in
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: her own. Right had she. Lived she dies in seventeen eighty.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Two and the reason she dies is When Benedict arnold
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: leads his raid On, richmond which doesn't. Succeed they turn
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: north To, montchella To, charlottesville And jefferson just about gets
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: away with his family because he's. Worn Jack jewett rides
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: From richmond up To charlottesville and is able to warn,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: them and you know he's there With Banister, tarlton so
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: you know he's another ruthless, individual and so they have
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: to hide and she catches a fever and there was
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: a lot of rampant fever because of wartime conditions back then,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: anyhow and she never. Recovers she dies in seventeen eighty.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Two that's why he becomes a widower so. Early and
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: his daughters don't grow up with a, mother and you
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: know she you, know they paid the price. Up John
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: adams sailed on a, ship naval ship because he was
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: name minister To i'm trying to think where he was
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: going at the, time Maybe, holland and so they had
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: to bring him Into. Spain he had across The, pyrenees
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: which is another. Story, well that ship was fired on
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: during the course of he was in, combat and he
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: took up arms with The. Marines John Guincy adams is
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: on there with. Him, now whether he picked up anything or,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: not we don't. Know he would have been maybe eleven
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: or twelve at the, time But John adams took up
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: arms with The. Marines they land In, spain they have
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: to go by foot over The pyrenees and Of france
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: before they go in To holland or The Dutch republic
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: at that, time and they both catch fever and they
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: both almost die.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: There, wow and they do make.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: IT i have more.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Events i've do research on all these different historical figures
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: because we only sort of know of the ones THAT
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: i always talked. About but to your point about the
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: kids going to, parade that is good to see because
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: we all know in schools the history is being changed a,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: LOT i feel, like and that's not.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Good, yeah public, schools, yes some private. Too, However i'm
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: seeing a pushback, too some in the. Public but public
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: schools are you, know they are government entities now between
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: different factions and. Interests but you look at the. Homeschoolers
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: people are really starting on their own to teach their,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: kids even those who really haven't gotten a homeschooling yet
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: are bringing them to these. PLACES i see. THEM i,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: MEAN i, mean ever SINCE i started doing, this the
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: re enacting part of it in, Particular i've seen them
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: just come to more and more of these events and
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: they enjoy. Them that's WHY i try to avail myself
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: WHEN i can to speak in front of groups like
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: that pretty much young people who are being taught this
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: or you know they're coming to, uh you, know summer
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: camp where they teach these. Things but it's it's it's
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: decades of, Research. Alex you, know on each of these.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Men every YEAR i try to perfect more and more
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: what they do and who they, did who they. WERE i,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: MEAN i know all of them by this point in their,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: histories And i've been to where they lived in many
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: most of their, Cases i've been to either where they've
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: lived or where they performed their duties in their, states
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: and which has been a. Blessing you, know you have
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: a good feel when you're on the ground and you
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: see exactly where all these things.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Happened all, Right, WELL i want to end this episode
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: about Both july second And july fourth with someone that
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: did continue their families. LEGACY i mentioned That World war
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: two veterans inspire by founding, fathers and more and more
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: one veterans and their families inspired what they did In
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: World war Two War. One BUT i think one of
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: the first historical figures that became president to continue their
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: family's legacy was Undoubtedly John Quincy. Adams so he becomes
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: sixth president of The United. States but in my view
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: it's because what his father did that inspired him to
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: get involved in public.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Service, Well John Quincy adams is a very fascinating man
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: because not only his, mother but his father and his
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: mother too were very. Influential you, know both sides of his.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Family you, know they had. Ministers his uncle on his
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: mother's side was the captain of The Lincoln, minutemen which
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: is Between lexington And. Conquered becomes a, privateer doesn't come
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: out of the war very. Well he becomes an, alcoholic
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Like quincy's younger brother. Does But Quincy adams had that
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: early beginning his father's friends Like Joseph, warren and he
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: was absolutely devastated when the news From Bunker hill came
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: back To warren was. Killed he claimed that he'd literally
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: broke down and cried Because warren was his doctor and
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: he just admired all these. Men SO i told you
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: the story about him following his father to The. Netherlands,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: well he learns how to become a diplomat, there and
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: by the time the war, Ends Quincy adams is probably
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: sixteen years, old and just to fast forward so we
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: don't get too far, afield he ends up working For George,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: washington and it's Under washington that he becomes the diplomat
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: that he becomes later. On washington values him so. Much
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: he absolutely Adores George. Washington he loves Both george And
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Martha washington, immensely and he gets caught up in that
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: his parents do not as. Much but they do love.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: That they get, along but you, know they think there's
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: a lot being and to a degree there may have.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Been but he absolutely he is in The washington is
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: The greatest. Camp he names his oldest Son George Washington.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Adams, oh that's so.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Cool John adams at first wasn't quite sure about, that
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: but of, course you, know he was probably overreacting to
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: The adams can be quite, uh what we'll, say somewhat
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: conversational in a vigorous. Way and so When adams becomes,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: president both of them decide this isn't. Proper you, KNOW
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: i can't stay as a. DIPLOMAT i can't be the
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: president and have you be a. Diplomat So washington gets
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: a hold of. This he finally hears what they're talking.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: About now he knows The adams very. Well by, now
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: he calls both of them. Separately he Calls John adams
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: in in, FIRST i, think and he says to him maybe,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: FIRST i don't, know but he talks to him and he,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: says your son is the most valuable DIPLOMAT i. Have
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: he's going to be of immense value to you if
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: you have to cap. Them then he Calls QUINCYA i
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: think he brings him in a, second and he, says
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: your father's going to need a lot of. Help you
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: are the best diplomat we have over. There you need
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: to stay in that. Post all this talk of, nepotism
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: he says to both of, them is. Ridiculous, well they
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: heeded his, advice And adam stayed, on and he stayed
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: in the diplomatic post right up through eighteen The war
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: of eighteen.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Twelve, well then he becomes a secretary Of. State by the,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: way we're two hunred and fifty years. Old by two
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: and forty nine years, OLD i should, say by eighteen,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: seventeen we've already had Eight United states secretary Of. States
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  Speaker 2: that's amazing to. Me by eighteen, seventeen there was eight
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  Speaker 2: secretary Of, states And i'm guessing about two or three
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  Speaker 2: presidents in that. Time because he becomes president in eighteen twenty.
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  Speaker 2: Five so, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He's inaugurated in eighteen twenty. Five, now interestingly, enough even
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  Speaker 1: though he had been A, federalist he kind of left
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  Speaker 1: that that, genre particularly when The Federalist party starts to
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: change a. Bit and he works very closely With Thomas,
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  Speaker 1: jefferson And jefferson is absolutely thrilled when he's running for,
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  Speaker 1: president by the, way And John adams writes to him
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  Speaker 1: and he, says you would think he was your son
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: because he was the policies and. SUCH i, Mean John
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  Speaker 1: quincy is probably the one that had the best viewpoint
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  Speaker 1: eyewitnessed to many people In american history that created the,
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  Speaker 1: country not just before him but after. Him he was
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  Speaker 1: A he was actually one of the prototypes For Abraham.
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  Speaker 1: Lincoln lincoln was one of his. People he Mentored Henry,
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  Speaker 1: clay even Even calhoun to a. Degree they all respected,
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  Speaker 1: him even if they didn't agree with. Him But lincoln
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  Speaker 1: certainly was one of his. Protegees so, yeah that's With.
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  Speaker 1: Adams what was your other, Question i'm, Sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, no mainly the fact that they had eight secretary
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  Speaker 2: of states up until that. Point that's pretty.
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  Speaker 1: Good they. Did they, did you, know there was some.
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  Speaker 1: Turnover so, eventually when you look at all those, signers
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  Speaker 1: they all contributed. Something not all of the signers were
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  Speaker 1: present when the declaration was voted on, either.
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  Speaker 2: Which is important BECAUSE i did not know that until
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: you mentioned that to me the other.
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  Speaker 1: Day, actually, well the most prominent one Was Robert. Livingston
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  Speaker 1: he is not. There he's there as the committee of
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  Speaker 1: five With adams And jefferson And franklin And Roger. Sherman he.
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  Speaker 1: Leaves and again that speaks to the moment you asked,
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  Speaker 1: me what was the sense, Like, well these men had,
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  Speaker 1: to you, know attain other business when they could do,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: it and that meant in many of their cases to
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  Speaker 1: leave that day and or even the day. Before, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: yeah that, day we'll say that. Day so they may
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  Speaker 1: not have been around to stick around to sign that first.
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  Speaker 1: Signing and he was one of. Them but his brother
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: gets elected in his Stead, edward and he signs. It
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  Speaker 1: he signs the, declaration which is, ironic.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: By the, ways bring us by all the signing you
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: mentioned to me the other day when we did our
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: pre show. Chat the parade started right Away july, fourth
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  Speaker 2: seventeen seventy. Six that's, correct, right they.
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  Speaker 1: Had a gathering of people outside Of philadelphia to read.
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  Speaker 1: It yeah. AMAZING i don't know if you would call
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: it a, parade but it was a huge. Gathering and
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: that was the first reading they, did AND i think
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: they did one a couple of days, after If i'm not.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Mistaken but they were doing parades right. AWAY i mean
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: they were doing The fourth Of july commemorations celebrations right.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: AWAY i mean they, did of, course because on the,
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  Speaker 1: fourth by the, time even if people In, philadelphia it
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: was already. Over but for seventy seven they were celebrating
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  Speaker 1: the fourth.
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  Speaker 2: As the Day that is just so, cool all, right
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  Speaker 2: from your, expertise as you, know with your publicon moment
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  Speaker 2: and then as your, enactment and as your love Of
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: america And american, history how do we go to get
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: it to to fifty and? BEYOND i think that's the next,
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: goal is to get us BECAUSE i still look at
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: as a very fairly young, country two hundred fifty forty
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  Speaker 2: nine years old as, young, Right so how do we
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  Speaker 2: keep us going to three hundred and then three fifty
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: and then you, know the.
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  Speaker 1: Like well for, us What i'd like to see us
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  Speaker 1: do those of us through are you, know privileged, enough
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  Speaker 1: blessed enough to be able to commemorate some meaningful way
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  Speaker 1: those moments from two FIFTY a go to do it
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  Speaker 1: in a way that it stays with young. PEOPLE i
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: remember in the by, CENTENNIAL i was very impressed the
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: fact we were doing. SOMETHING i can't see that EVERYBODY
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: i saw was. Impressive they really. Weren't but what we
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  Speaker 1: want to do is in the best, detail we can't
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: highlight exactly what's going. On keep in, mind for battlefield,
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  Speaker 1: commemorations the two fiftieth goes on till twenty thirty. One
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  Speaker 1: the war itself continues on till or the two fiftieth
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: really continues on to twenty thirty, three because you have
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: a two year interval when the war winds. Down nobody
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: knew What york time it was going to end At,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: yorktown but they knew, that you, know the writing was
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: on the, wall so to, speak things were moving in
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: the direction that was probably not likely to be. Altered,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: however nobody knew, That, okay well the war's over, now
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: it's just a matter of. Time well they didn't know
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: it at that, point so it was in another two.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Years The british don't Evacuate boston Until, november but that's
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: after the war's. Over they're not doing much in, there
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: they're just there because they're you. Know they agree to
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: let them just collect their their forces and then pull
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: out at a certain. Time but it actually Ends april,
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  Speaker 1: nineteenth seventeen eighty. Three they picked that day to commemorate
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  Speaker 1: the end of the. War the preliminary piece was, SIGNED
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  Speaker 1: i want to, say probably in the fall of seventeen eighty,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: two and then the ratifications take place In march And.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: April very key to The, atlantic very interesting breakdown all of,
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  Speaker 2: this And, richard as we go, Along i'd love to
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: have you on for more conversation about. THIS i always say,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: that BUT i mean as we gear toward two, Fifty
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  Speaker 2: i'd love to Have yon in the lead up to all,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: this because you just got a wealth of knowledge and
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: a love of country THAT i think needs to be
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: talked about and heard on this.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Podcast, No i'd love TO i love appearing on. HERE
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  Speaker 1: i think it's a great.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Venue AND i got to catch up with you at
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: some point in. Person that would be.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome oh, Absolutely we're going to do that. Too that
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  Speaker 1: would be.
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  Speaker 2: Great all, Right Richard. Howell and where can people find
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: you if they do want you to do a reenactment
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: for them or be part of their.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Troop, well they can find me on social. MEDIA i
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: have A facebook page and A LinkedIn. Page My facebook
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: page is in my. NAME i put our j on
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: there to differentiate me from the other Rich howels you
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: may run. Into there are a few of us out there.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: On.
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  Speaker 1: LinkedIn it's, historical uh, lectures research and. Reenactments but my
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: name is there, too and obviously you have my contact.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Information if anybody wanted to reach out to you directly
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: and say, gee how DO i get a hold of?
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Him if they want, to feel free to pass it.
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  Speaker 2: On absolutely, Well Happy Independence day and thanks for you,
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: know doing your. Part i've said the time AND i
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: reenactors are so vital and keeping history, going so thank
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: you for doing that as.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Well it's my, Pleasure. Alex and you, know thank you
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: for helping to spread the word on all this.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Too and, hey you, know the preserving history is how
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: we're gonna have one leg up for the. Country that's
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: what it.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Is oh, yes oh, yes but, yes especially this. History,
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  Speaker 1: yes and, Uh Happy independent stated you as. Well thank
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: you so.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Much that Was Richard howell on The One Leg Up
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  Speaker 2: network