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Ep 26 - God’s Fingerprints in Everyday Life: Byron Easterling on Calling, Redemption, and Saying Yes · UNMASKED with Wesley Farnsworth

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Welcome to Unmasked, where we take off the filters and get
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real about faith, failure, and finding freedom.
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I'm your host, Wesley Farnsworth, a dad, veteran,
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author, and a man who's learned that God does his best work in
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the middle of our mess. Each episode will have honest
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conversations with people who've walked through addiction, pain,
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or doubt, and with pastors, leaders, and everyday believers
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who are learning to live and lead authentically.
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So take a breath, pull up a chair, and let's get real.
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This is Unmasked. Today's guest is someone whose
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life is marked with by decades of faith, spirit LED obedience,
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and a front row seat to the miraculous.
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Brian Easterling has spent over 40 years traveling the world,
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ministering across continents, and witnessing God move in ways
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that most of us have only read about.
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He's a speaker, author, and storyteller whose experiences
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carry both depth and humility. His new book series, Curious
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Tales of a Common Man, dives into perfect stories, moments of
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faith, challenge, and God's unmistakable fingerprints, told
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with the kind of honesty that reminds us that God uses
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ordinary people in extraordinary ways.
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And what I love about Byron is a historians don't point back to
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him. They all point back to Jesus.
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They point back to the grace, to the power, and to the quiet ways
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that God shows up when we're listening.
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So wherever you're joining from today, take a breath and lean in
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and get ready for a conversation that I'm sure will stir your
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faith and challenge you to look for God in your own everyday
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moments. Let's join it.
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Let's jump in. Byron, welcome to the show.
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Hi, Wesley. Thanks for having me.
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Really appreciate it. Absolutely.
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It's a pleasure to have you with us today here on Unmasked.
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So why don't you just jump in and share with the listeners
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where you come from and kind of your your back story so that we
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can get an idea of where you're at now.
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Yeah, absolutely. Well, I I'm AI grew up a Midwest
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kid was born and raised outside of Chicago, IL in a town called
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Joliet and I I we moved to Missouri and I had a fabulous.
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I have to say I'm I'm one of those amazingly lucky blessed
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people that I come from generations of believers.
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I have 20. There were 29 of us as cousins.
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We've lost a couple cents, but as we're getting older, but all
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of us have known the Lord and our families have known the Lord
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and our history is it's such a blessing.
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But the cool thing about it is every person has to come to
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Christ themselves, right? It's a, it's a personal journey.
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And mine was with my dad. My dad really helped get me
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there. So when I was about I was 9 and
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that's when I first started really kind of going after the
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Lord and really discovering that he was he was real and he was
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legit. And you know, so it took about a
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year for my dad and I to walk through just really discovery.
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And it was that moment. I remember, if I can tell this
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story when I first what happened was, is my excuse me.
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We were in a Baptist Church in our small town of Mexico, MO, my
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friend, you know, in a Baptist Church at that point, I don't
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know what it's like now, but at that point, if you got to be 8
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or 9 years old and you hadn't gone forward, you, you were kind
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of in trouble with the older folks.
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They might start thinking you were truly lost and and weren't
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anyway. So a good friend of mine, he one
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morning he, I see him, he goes down the aisle during the altar.
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So I, I thought, well, hey, he's going forward and I should go
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forward too. So I started to get up and my
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dad grabbed my pant leg and just kind of gently pulled me back
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down and leaned over and says, where are you going?
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And I said, well, I'm going to get Jesus.
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And he goes, really? Why?
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And I said, well, and this is where I made my first mistake.
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I said because my friend is. And he said, no, that's not why
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we go forward. And the cool thing is I have an
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older brother and older sister. I'm the youngest.
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My brother's almost eight years older than I and my sister's
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four years older. So we would come home back in
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those days, you would come home and you have this big potluck
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pot roast. They call him pot roast or a big
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chicken mid dinner. You know, it's always just
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amazing. You'd sit around and my dad
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would ask us what the sermon was about.
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And my brother would always go first and then my sister and
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then I would at 8-9 years old, I would parrot what they had to
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say. You know, I, I didn't know.
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I wasn't listening most of the time.
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I wasn't listening. I was fidgeting, you know.
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Well, that day my dad started with me and he turns to me.
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He says, Byron, he said, what did you get out of the sermon
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today? And I was scrambling, man.
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And I said, I don't know. But then I realized that this
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continued and he began to walk me through the gospel.
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And I have to say, what an amazing time almost a year to
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the day later, a year later, you know, it's that it's that
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powerful moment. I don't care what age you are,
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but my dad, they were having the altar call and my dad, I'm just
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sitting there being myself and my dad leads over and he goes,
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what are you waiting for? And I'm looked at him and he
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says, aren't you ready? And I was like, yes.
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And I just jumped out of that, that Pew and I ran forward.
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I'd ran forward and I just just, it was so I was so ready by that
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time. And that set me on a path till
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about I was 12 years oldish. And then I sort of started
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realizing there was other things in the world that I could
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pursue. And I pursued them for about 10
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years. And had I became what I call a
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street pharmacist during my college days, I fortunately was
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able to flee that. And that's a story in itself.
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And that's when I was in St. Louis, MO, and I was a college
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student at Webster University studying music.
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I was a musician. And again, there's so many
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stories of your life and how I came back to Christ.
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That was I was right. I don't know how much you want
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out of all that. Yeah.
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Well. Let's talk a little bit about
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those, if you're willing, because this show is all about
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helping people realize that they're not defined by their
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past, even if it was things that they did in their rebellious,
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rebellious years. So, yeah, talk to us about those
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10 years that you were away from Christ, so to speak.
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Like what kind of journey did you go through?
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And then ultimately, what was it that led you back to Christ?
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Yeah, you know what led me back? Excuse me?
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I was. It started when I was 12 and we
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were in that same Baptist Church and I was a Sunday evening and
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they used to have speakers come in and there was a favorite
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speaker. I, I love this guy.
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He was so solid in the word and even at 12, you know, 10/11/12,
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I, I just loved how he presented God and his love for God.
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And I followed it. And then this Sunday evening at
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this, our evening service, he's speaking and he stops and he
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says he makes a call for people to give their lives to serve God
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in the ministry. You know, like these young
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couples were going forward. And I kept hearing in my spirit,
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go forward, go up there and I'm 12.
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I mean, I literally can feel my hands grabbing a hold of that
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Pew and grabbing tighter and going, I'll just be a fool.
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Everybody will laugh at me. God, this is silly.
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I'm not doing this. And he kept calling, There's one
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more. I know there's one more.
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And and he'd even look over, of course, he would look over my
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direction and it would just penetrate my soul.
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I don't know if he knew that or not.
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But what I do notice, it was penetrating my spirit, my soul.
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And I just kept going, no, no, no, I can't do this.
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These are these are real people. I'm just a kid, you know, and
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that's when it I turned, I turned my back on God.
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I said no to him. And in what I might consider a
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big way, I rebelled against the heart of God for my life.
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You know, from that moment I began to falter.
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I began to seek out other ways of feeling finding as you go
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into high school and I got into minor drugs.
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I didn't get into any real serious drugs.
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I didn't get into anything such as heroin or anything like that.
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I got into a lot of laced which carried a lot of hallucinogens
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in it. But I think what really started
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me was in my, my college days, there was a man from Kansas City
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who was a well known drug dealer and I got connected to that
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person and I, I ended up selling in my region of Missouri for
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several years. I had my clientele.
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I was making a lot of money, you know, cars, motorcycles,
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whatever I wanted, it was, it was mine.
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You make a lot of money when you sell drugs and I, you know, I'm
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sorry. So at one point God brought me
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out of that. And that's, you know, I won't go
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into that story, but what I will go into is that the heartbreak
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when I came out of that season and I came back into Christ, the
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heartbreak of damaging someone's life, that I damaged people's
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lives and I brought them into a way of life that was not in
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God's path for them. Just broke.
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It still does. I, I still look back and I, I'm
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not saying he has forgiven me. I know he's forgiven me.
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That's not an issue. But to know that you've damaged
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someones life, that was. Yeah.
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That's exactly what this show is all about, Sir.
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You know, this show is all about on being unmasked.
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And a lot of people, they, they sit there and they're like,
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well, I have done this and I have done that in my life.
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I've dealt drugs, I've been addicted to pornography, I've
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cheated on my wife. I've had the food issue.
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I have whatever it might be. They have something in their
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life that is they're choosing to let define them.
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And this show is all about being unmasked and coming forward and
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telling those stories and helping them realize that they
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are not defined by whatever it is that they've done and that
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God still can and will use them if they allow him.
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And so I love that you're coming on and you're being vulnerable
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and you're sharing this story about what you've done in the
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end, the your, your history of dealing drugs and stuff like
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that. Because I think that's a very
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real thing that most people would say, well, I've, you know,
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this is something really bad that I've done.
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So there's no hope for me. I'm too far gone.
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And that's exactly what the enemy wants them to hear.
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They want them to think and know that they're too far gone
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because if they think that and he can get get it to the where
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they know that, then he has them right where you want them.
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And so I thank you for your vulnerability and your
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willingness to share that. So tell us about your journey
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back to Christ. What was it that kind of was
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that turning point that he said, Hey, you know, I'm still here.
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And what, what, what, what brought you back?
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So, yeah, what brought me back is I had to flee where I was.
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That guy was, you know, it's territorial.
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So that guy was in Kansas City. He was a, he's a mean guy.
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So I, I thought I wanted out. I, I knew I wanted out.
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I knew that something wasn't right.
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And I, so I fled and I went to Saint Louis on the other side of
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the state where I knew I would be safe.
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I'd be in, in a sense in hiding. And so I, I go to Saint Louis
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and I end up going back to college to Webster University.
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I'm studying music now. I don't know if you know music
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or not, or music schools, but in music schools that the cool
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thing about that is at the end of the year, I'm a piano player.
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I'm a composer and pianist and I've written a lot of stuff,
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different things, but anyway, doesn't matter.
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But the key is at the end of the year, there's a thing called
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juries. And that's where your teachers,
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your professors come around you. And you're like in this little
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tiny room with a piano, and you're playing the pieces that
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you've learned all year. And they're sitting behind you
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just scribbling. All you hear scribbling.
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And you're like, I failed. I know I failed.
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And they don't really say anything.
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And you get up and they say thank you very much and you
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leave. Well, it's a party day after
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that and I was, we were just partying and I was, I didn't
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supply anymore, but I still was partaking of vegetation and we
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had partaken. I had this old, I was broke,
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man, when I gave it up, I was broke.
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I had an old 65 Econoline van and man, it was ugly.
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I was driving away from school and I was going home to my
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little apartment and I had a just partaken.
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OK, so it's like May. The windows were up.
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It was Midwest, so it wasn't real warm and it wasn't cool.
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So I had the windows up. I had AI had a bag of vegetation
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sitting on the seat next to me. And I hear it.
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I hear the cops, they pull me over.
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I'm like, man, I am going, I'm going to prison and I'm not
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going to do well. You know, this isn't going to be
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good for me. And I didn't have the
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wherewithal to roll down the window before, take the bag and
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throw it in the back. None of that.
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He just walks up, knocks on my, knocks on my window.
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I roll it down. He had to get billowed in his
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face, you know, And he and he goes, he says mystery swing.
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I said yes, Sir. He said, do you know your
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license plates are due tomorrow? And I said, yes, Sir, I do.
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In fact, I'm going home to take care of that.
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And he says, that's good. And he says, here's my
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suggestion. I suggest you go home now, to
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your apartment. And you stayed there for the
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rest of the night. And I was like, yes, Sir, I
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will. Sure will.
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And I drove straight home. So the next day I get up.
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We lived about an hour and a half outside of Saint Louis in
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this town called Mexico, MO. You had to go back at that
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point. You had to go back to get to
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your county to get your plates renewed.
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I can take you to the corner, to the spot in the road.
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I can take you there. I go there regularly in my mind.
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And I pulled over on the side of the road.
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I just felt and I heard the Lord in my spirit say, when are you
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going to stop messing around with me?
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That's all it took. And it was like, and I said,
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Lord, I don't want to mess around with you.
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I need you badly. And that just everything changed
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and it was a moment in time. That's all it took a moment in
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time. I, I don't know that it was an
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audible voice. I'm not saying that.
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I, I think it was just something in my spirit.
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You know how God speaks to us and we just know that we know.
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And I just heard When are you going to stop messing around
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with me? And it was so unshaming.
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It was so real, authentic, true. It was so beautiful almost.
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It was just, hey, when are you going to stop messing around
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with me? And that changed my life.
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That just. I said now I'm going to stop
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now. And I did.
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And. Yeah.
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And within within three months, I was a youth pastor at a
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church. Yeah.
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In a month and a half, I had sold my van and I was in
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Guatemala on a missions trip. Yeah.
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Wow. Yeah.
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She said three months to become a youth pastor at a church.
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How, what, what did that journey look like?
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Because that's, I mean, most people now they think of, you
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know, a youth pastor and you have to go to church and get
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your credentialing and this whole interview process and
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everything. And it's, it can be a long drawn
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out process to get a staff position in any church, let
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alone a youth pastor where you're dealing with kids and you
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know, somebody with your background.
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So how did that come about? Like fill us in.
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Like I'm curious. Yeah, well, excuse me, music.
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I wanted to do a course. I lived down near a place called
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Washington University and there was a big Presbyterian Church,
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big one of those Gothic cathedral style Presbyterian
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churches that was right near Washington University called
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Memorial Presbyterian Church. And I would walk by it to go
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down and I would sometimes go and practice.
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And at Washington University, they let me come in and practice
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there because it was close by, closer than Webster.
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So I was walking by and I, I wanted to do this class, a music
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class for some students that were interested for during the
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summer. So I went in.
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I thought, well, this church, I never saw hardly any cars.
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There's a big church. I thought, well, they're not
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doing anything. I was such a jerk.
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I said, you know, I'll go in there and just see if they'll
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let me rent A room. So I go in and this this
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secretary goes, yeah, let me, let me.
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We get the pastor and pastor comes out.
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He's in his mid 60s named George Scotchmer.
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He says, yeah, come on in. I still had a cigarettes in my
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pocket. He says he, you know, he talks
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to me for a while. He asked me a few questions and
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about what I wanted to do. And he says, well, he says, do
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you want to smoke? And I sit in in a church.
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I said, what, what do you mean? He says, well, you know, he, he,
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he baited me and he said, well, you know, the scriptures never
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say anything about smoking. It just says that your body is a
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temple into the holy. He got me.
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I literally went home that day and I hadn't read my Bible for I
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mean, this was right after. So this was May when I made that
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corner and the Lord asked me that question, right.
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When are you going to stop messing her with me around with
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me? And, and this is like late May,
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early June. So this is right after that
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time, I still hadn't picked up my Bible yet.
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I just made a commitment to turn my life around.
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I didn't know how to do it. And so I pull my Bible out, kind
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of blow off the dust and start. I just I spent we didn't, you
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know, we didn't, I didn't have any, you know, reference books.
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I of course, we didn't have Google or access to any AI.
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We were just, you know, there. I would just I was reading
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through trying to find this passage about, you know, the
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body is a temple. Your body is a temple into the
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Lord. I'm like, I couldn't, I just
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couldn't find it. So he told me to come back the
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following week. I come back and I said, first of
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all, where is that passage? I got to know where that passage
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is. Well, then he just starts
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talking to me about the Lord and all this stuff.
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And he says, listen, he had asked me about what I did and I
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actually had also painted houses for a living.
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And so he said, hey, you know, I talked to the board and they'd
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be willing to rent you a room. But he said, here's the deal, We
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take a missions trip to Guatemala every summer.
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And he said we need a crew director for to paint a clinic
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down there. And he said, would you go, we'll
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pay your way. Would you go and be the clinic
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with the crew director? And I was like, I'm thinking,
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cool, Guatemala. Yeah, sure, I'll do that.
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That sounds like fun. And that's so I got on a bus.
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Now here's I had still had cigarettes in my pocket.
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I get, I start to walk on the bus with 20, I think it was 29
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other solid high school and college students.
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And I start to step on the bus and Doctor Scotchmer, he goes,
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oh, I'm sorry, Myron, you can't smoke on this trip.
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And I mean, I went cold Turkey and I know everybody on that bus
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was praying for me because I'm sure Doctor Scotchmert said,
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listen, we got a live 1 here and that then I went for the summer,
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did this trip and. He came back and he said,
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listen, I've talked to the board about you.
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You handled yourself so well down there.
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I would love for you to, to consider being our youth pastor.
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And so I, I, I did, I took it and never, never really looked
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back, never went back to. I can just imagine your mindset
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like in that at that point in time and you're like, youth
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pastor what? Yeah, it was.
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I don't even know what that is. You know, I, I'd never been a
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part of a youth group. I mean Sunday school.
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Yeah. But yeah.
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So you went from drug dealer one day to three months later being
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a youth pastor and now you have more than 4 decades ministering
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around the world. That is just quite the journey.
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Can you take us back to maybe 1 moment early on when you clearly
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know that this is God and He's leading me and this is exactly
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what I'm being called to do? Well, clearly being called is a
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great question started for me. It started for me as a youth
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pastor and it was actually the pastor's wife who I asked her
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that question. I asked, well both of them, I
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asked that question. I said what?
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How do you know that you're called to ministry?
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And her response was so simple. And she said, go do whatever
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else you can. And if you can't, you're
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probably called to ministry. And we have actually used that.
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My wife and I have used that many times when people have
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asked us, how do we know that it's time for us to go into
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ministry as a vocation? And we're like, well, you'll
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know because it'll be nothing else.
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You can do it. You know, I always look at it
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like marriage. How many times have you heard
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somebody say, how do I know he's the one or she's the one?
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How many times have I had that in my life?
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How my daughter once said, how, Dad, how will I know how I know?
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You just know that you know that, you know, you can do all
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the pros and cons lists in the world.
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But when she said to me, that pastor's wife, Doctor
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Scotchmer's wife, when she said go do anything else you can.
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And if you can't, you're probably called the ministry
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just knew that I knew that it was something I had to do.
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I fought it. I fought it through the years.
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I don't. I can't say that I've been the
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most obedient of children. Oh, that's the beautiful thing
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about faith is you don't have to be the perfect child.
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He still loves you and will use you.
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And I think that's, that's a common misconception in, in the
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churches. People are like, well, I have to
22:43
be perfect if I'm going to do this.
22:45
And if I can't be perfect, then I might as well just not do it
22:47
at all. And that's the furthest thing
22:49
from the truth. He wants you just, he wants you
22:52
and his calling you just as you are and fault, fault and all, he
22:56
wants you. And so, yeah, I love that.
22:59
So, you know, ministry across continents, that's exciting
23:03
work. You've traveled the world.
23:04
You've done all kinds of things, but it's sacrificial and
23:08
exhausting, and I'm sure it can be very, very humbling on a very
23:12
deep level. So what has sustained your faith
23:15
through the hard seasons when obedience didn't feel glamorous
23:20
and you were in those seasons where you're like fighting and
23:23
and why me? I couldn't, I couldn't go
23:27
forward without saying Leslie, that my partner, my bride has
23:32
been vital and key. She has been so strong and solid
23:37
in my weakness and just to recall the victories, to help me
23:42
recall the victories and help me recall why I'm doing what I'm
23:46
doing because you know, it's true.
23:48
I don't care what you're doing. You know how it is when you,
23:51
you, you're doing something and there's something, there's a
23:55
carrot that gets dangled in front of you and you want to go
23:59
sideways and go chase that carrot.
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And God just holds your, holds your feet to the path that
24:07
you're on. And then I think it requires
24:09
those friendships, those relationships.
24:12
I think for me, that's been a big part of it.
24:15
Crystal, my wife, who amazingly would just be so simple in her
24:19
responses and challenging at the same time.
24:22
Like things like I would be complaining and she's got, well,
24:26
isn't this what God has said? Oh, and all of a sudden you're
24:29
like, oh, yeah, I guess you're right.
24:31
You know, I didn't want to hear that at the moment.
24:33
I wanted to complain. She would just bring up this.
24:37
It's simple, but it's so profound.
24:39
I other friends have just been that's so helpful in those
24:43
moments where they remind me of your calling and your giftings
24:48
and your purposes on earth. And whether or not that's it
24:52
doesn't matter what it is. It's not about being in
24:55
vocational quote UN quote ministry.
24:57
I don't even like that term anymore because I see all of us
25:01
as ministers, but some of us are called to go and be more
25:05
actively pursuing the body of Christ and really, really
25:09
encouraging and building up the body of Christ.
25:12
I feel that's a big part of Our Calling.
25:14
And I think the other side of that is when you make a covenant
25:19
with the Lord, when he's made a covenant with you, to say I have
25:22
called you into this, you have to bring that.
25:26
And that's what Crystal would do.
25:27
She'd bring that memory and that realization.
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Have you been called to this? Isn't this what the Lord said?
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Yeah. Therefore, now it's just a
25:36
simple answer of I believe it or not, yes or no.
25:39
And I love that you're bringing this up because this is
25:41
something that I talk about quite often I hear on my podcast
25:44
and when I even when I'm doing interviews, news on other
25:46
podcasts as a guest. And and that's just the
25:49
importance of community in our lives.
25:51
You know, everyone you want to, you try and do it yourself.
25:55
That's kind of human nature. This, you know, I can do this
25:57
myself. I don't need somebody else's
25:59
help. And God doesn't call us to do
26:02
life alone. I mean, when you even look back
26:04
to the very beginning with Adam, God said he's alone.
26:07
This isn't good. And he gave him Eve, you know,
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he gave us community for a reason.
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And that's how we we kind of use those as checks and balances.
26:16
If you want to use a modern day term when you think of
26:18
government and all that fun stuff.
26:19
But community is there for a reason.
26:21
They help keep you in focus. They help push you forward.
26:25
They help speak life into you when the enemy is trying to drag
26:28
you down. And so I love that you have your
26:31
wife in your corner to help keep you focused and to to remind you
26:35
of your calling when you're going.
26:37
I don't know what I'm doing. And the other point that you
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made that I want to just touch on is this idea of being called
26:43
and the vocational assignment. There's a lot of times I just
26:47
did a sermon, just preached A sermon a couple weeks ago about
26:50
just giving God your yes, you know, it's very common today
26:53
when people are like, well, I can't do this because I don't
26:57
have training, I don't have this, I don't have that.
27:00
And all you're really doing is making excuses for not doing
27:03
what God's calling you to do and telling you to do.
27:05
Because when it comes down to it, there's nowhere in the Bible
27:08
that says you have to have a, a college degree to preach his
27:11
gospel. OK, Jesus pulled random people
27:14
off of the street and made them his 12 disciples and used them
27:18
in extraordinary ways. He used Moses that was wandering
27:22
a desert. You know, he, you look at all
27:24
that you just look at the history of the Bible and not a
27:26
single person that he used in the Bible had a college degree
27:29
or a vocational degree. And so that's something I just,
27:33
I love that you brought that up because I think that's a common
27:35
thing that we are now letting us get, or it's a coming thing that
27:40
we are allowing to get in our way of doing what it is that God
27:43
is calling us to do. I think some of the greatest
27:46
missionary outreaches have been from women who were not a part
27:51
of an organization because they weren't allowed to be and they
27:54
didn't have degrees. And so they just, I was once and
27:58
they just said yes. And someone once asked me, how
28:01
come you get to travel all over the world?
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Why don't I get to do that? They said, I said, I don't know.
28:05
I just said yes. When the opportunity comes, just
28:08
say yes. If it's God, you know, I didn't
28:11
say yes when I was 12 and it took me 10 years.
28:15
I'm not saying God didn't use those 10 years because I learned
28:18
a lot about life. Maybe not the best side of life,
28:21
but I learned what struggles happen with when, when you do
28:25
the wrong thing, when you put people's lives behind your own.
28:28
Anyway, I just think say yes. I I didn't say yes when I was
28:32
12, and I did say it on that day in the van, turn in that corner
28:37
on the way home. I did say yes.
28:39
And my life has been incredibly different.
28:41
And I've. Yeah.
28:43
What would it gosh, sometimes I just think what would it be like
28:46
and that you know, if you even think about the first little
28:49
youth pastor position, if you want to look at it as little.
28:53
I don't see it that way. I see it as just God opened the
28:56
door and allowed me and I had a Presbyterian Church.
29:01
That's a very I mean never it Wesley.
29:03
I have never thought of that before.
29:05
I don't think I have ever in my life thought why would they hire
29:09
a non educated seminary educated person to Wow what?
29:16
That's phenomenal. I just now thanks for bringing
29:21
that up. That's totally a God thing and
29:23
that's what I love. I just love how he he does the
29:25
impossible and he makes it possible.
29:27
And it's just, it's awesome to think about, you know, your new
29:30
series, Curious Tales of a Common Man.
29:33
It explores personal stories that reveal God's fingerprints
29:36
in daily life. And that's what I love is you
29:40
talk about how to see God in the everyday moments.
29:42
Why do you think that God often chooses ordinary moments to
29:47
reveal himself in extraordinary ways?
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I think the heart issue for me is that the Father wants us to
29:55
know that he's there always and that in the midst of whatever
29:59
we're doing, he is there and active and alive and and caring
30:05
about who we are and what we do. And that what we consider
30:09
mundane, he considers a joy. And I I think for me, it's in
30:16
those moments when they're real. They're they're heartfelt,
30:20
they're life giving moments and they make us look back and go,
30:25
God is with me always, always. He's with me.
30:28
And that's what he says he would be.
30:30
And now he's proved himself that.
30:31
And not that I need for him to prove himself, but I have to
30:35
admit it helps. Yeah, it, it, it, it's, it's
30:38
good to know that Dad is there with us.
30:41
Why do you why do you think it's those sometimes those mundane
30:45
moments that he chooses to, to make himself known to US versus,
30:49
you know, I think most people when they are listening for God,
30:52
they're waiting for this big, you know, tada moment where he
30:55
just, he jumps out of a box or is that he's the, you know, the,
30:59
the burning Bush or something like that.
31:00
You know, where he speaks to us even in the mundane moments.
31:03
Why do you think he does that? Yeah, well, I guess that's what
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I that's the only answer I really have.
31:08
I think because he wants us to know that he's there in every
31:12
aspect of our life in in all of the ways that we move and
31:16
improve through life, is that he is there in that moment with us.
31:22
And it's not it's in sometimes the most silent of places that
31:26
we find him. And in those silent moments,
31:31
he's he's, he's caring for us and he wants to be there with
31:36
us. It's for me.
31:38
I guess that's so I took a challenge.
31:40
I was, I was always a very good golfer and I had several
31:43
scholarships in university that I actually turned down to the
31:47
chagrin of my father. There's a word you don't hear
31:50
often. To the chagrin of my father, I
31:53
turn these fellowship offers down to university to play golf.
31:57
And I had several offers in my 20s to go and turn pro and I
32:00
didn't. I just wanted to go into music
32:03
and I think that was God's way. But I got challenged in my 50s,
32:08
early 50s to take up and turn pro and go play golf
32:13
professionally. And so I took a challenge and
32:15
did that. And I did it for five years.
32:18
And I remember the first year I was out and practicing and I had
32:22
to change my life. I still was traveling, I was
32:25
still doing ministry, and I had to change my lifestyle.
32:28
It was very difficult, very hard time, but it's very cool.
32:32
And I remember just this. For a golfer, this would be the
32:35
mundane. I'm practicing, I'm practicing
32:38
on the golf course hour after hour after hour.
32:41
My, I'm getting my game strengthened.
32:44
And this is in the first year. And I remember walking down the
32:47
golf course, I'm in the middle of the hole this hole and I, I,
32:52
I put my bag down and I sense God there with me, so much so
32:58
that I put my bag down and I turned around and I said, what
33:03
out loud? I said it out loud.
33:05
So if anybody's watching me somewhere else on the golf
33:08
cursor, probably they get Easter legs.
33:09
Lost his mind. He's finally lost his mind.
33:13
Well, all I heard in my spirit was, Hey, love doing this with
33:18
you. And I said, you mean like
33:19
playing tournaments and being, you know, a good golf races, not
33:23
just out here practicing. I just love these moments.
33:27
And I think it was so encouraging and so life giving
33:31
to me. It was like, Dad, you're right.
33:33
You love being in the middle of this golf course with me just
33:38
hitting golf balls. Yeah, I, I love that.
33:41
I love every aspect of being with you.
33:44
And I think for me, that's the mundane.
33:46
That's the place when we're at work and we're, you know, we're
33:49
looking at that computer screen and God interjects in that
33:53
moment just to say I'm with you. I'm, I'm there.
33:56
Out of that comes all kinds of our faith is strengthened.
34:01
We're encouraged to to meet with others, you know the community
34:05
aspect of of both with the believer and those who we are.
34:09
All of a sudden, you know you'll find yourself coming out of
34:11
those moments and you're going I need to pray for so and so
34:15
because they they, you know, they really need the Lord in
34:19
this time. You know, anyway, that's that
34:22
for me is the mundane is because he just loves being with us.
34:27
Yeah, that's my take. I I'd love to hear yours on
34:30
that. Yeah, that's a great story.
34:32
Yeah. And I'm the same way, you know,
34:34
I just, I can just drive it down the road, just having those
34:38
quiet moments, you know, listening to the radio, singing
34:40
Christian music, you know, and just having the time with God.
34:44
I think people often think when they, when they think about just
34:47
having the relationship, they, they think about the big
34:51
moments, you know, they think about going to church, they
34:53
think about dinnertime prayers. They think about, you know,
34:56
those types of things that in our lives are the, the, we'll
34:59
just call them the cornerstone moments that, you know, you
35:02
know, you're supposed to pray, you're supposed to do these
35:04
things. But then in the everyday moments
35:08
is where he wants, still wants to be included, you know, And so
35:12
I'm a golfer too. I love going.
35:14
I don't get to don't get to go very often.
35:16
Maybe once a year if I'm lucky. But I still call myself a
35:19
golfer. Yeah, good.
35:22
But. Yeah, even out on the golf
35:23
course, just taking those times. And I love to just sing songs to
35:27
myself, you know, just tell them and, and pray and meditate and
35:30
just kind of have just the quiet time.
35:32
And it's just a great way to to just soak it in and be in God's
35:36
creation and, and just just connect and be with them.
35:40
And so that's awesome. So for listening that are out
35:44
there that maybe they're going through a dry season, you know,
35:47
they're they're spiritually dry, they're discouraged.
35:50
The enemies, you know, maybe talking to them, telling them
35:52
that they're they can't do this because they're defined by
35:55
something, you know, whatever it might be.
35:58
How can they begin to recognize the small, subtle ways that God
36:03
is speaking or moving in their life?
36:05
Is God moving in their lives in these tough seasons?
36:08
You know, I think the first thing is he wants us to come
36:11
into in those moments, excuse me, in those moments, I always
36:15
feel like the Lord is in that time frame making, wanting to
36:19
make our ceiling, our floor. He's wanting us to rise into a
36:25
new level of understanding and insight into who he is.
36:29
That's the tough moments, right? The tough moments, the
36:31
discouraging moments I believe are always there that are going
36:35
to help us step into a new revelation of who God is because
36:39
He's always moving right from glory to ever increasing glory.
36:43
So I want to see some of that ever increasing glory and I know
36:47
He wants us to draw near so we will see that and understand and
36:52
get a bigger picture of who God is.
36:55
So I think for me with that knowledge, knowing that first of
36:59
all, it's accepting where you are, I think we fight it.
37:02
I think we go, I need to get out of this.
37:04
I want I'm not where I was. I need to be back where I was.
37:08
I need to be, I need to be close with God.
37:10
I need to be reading the Bible. I need to be praying more.
37:13
Whatever it is you were doing in the last season, this moment to
37:18
me is an ordained by God moment. He didn't maybe 'cause it, but
37:23
he's allowing it so that you will come into a new revelation
37:27
of who He is, a bigger image, a bigger picture, a bigger
37:31
knowledge of who God is. So how I say it is, you're in
37:35
this moment because you can't live tomorrow on yesterday's
37:38
God. You can't get to where you need
37:41
to go on what you. It's a building process.
37:45
So he wants to release. So it comes to for me, when
37:49
you're in those moments, I bet I'm not asking the right
37:52
questions. So what we do is we ask the
37:54
questions we ask in the last season of our life.
37:57
But the reality is he's got new questions he wants you to ask.
38:02
So the the first thing I do when I'm in that place and I'm
38:05
finally coming out of that, or maybe this is for a reason and I
38:09
have to go, all right, Lord, what am I asking that's not
38:12
being answered? Give me the better question.
38:15
Give me the question that will pull me and draw me into
38:20
tomorrow, that that will draw me into the greater revelation of
38:24
who you are and what you want me to see about yourself.
38:29
That will give me the strength to stand in this moment.
38:32
I think if we try to conquer fears, frustrations, all the
38:37
issues that we deal with in our lives, the last thing, it will
38:41
only get us so far and we'll be frustrated.
38:45
And that's what happens. We get into that grind, right?
38:47
We get into the grind and we get frustrated, we get angry at
38:50
ourselves and then we get we get depressed and all the things
38:54
that happen with us when that happens and we all of a sudden,
38:58
you know, we have to turn, turn your eyes on Jesus and look full
39:04
in his wonderful face. And it's true.
39:06
It's such a simple message of a hymn, but so true.
39:10
Turn your eyes on Jesus, look full in his wonderful face, and
39:14
it all of a sudden takes us into what is God wanting me to step
39:19
into? And that's a beautiful moment
39:22
because all of a sudden it's not about the issue.
39:25
It's about oh, God's wanting something.
39:28
That's a mundane moment. That's that's one of those
39:31
moments in a sense it's like here is God.
39:33
It's and for me, it's always I'm not asking the right question.
39:37
I'm asking an old question that's not being answered, so I
39:41
need to know, Lord, and I ask what?
39:45
What is the question I need to ask you that will take me and
39:50
show me more of who you are so that I know I can step beyond
39:54
this moment. Yeah, into a that fuller
39:57
revelation. So follow up to that would be,
40:00
you know, a big part of being able to step into the calling
40:03
that God has put on our lives is the aspect of forgiveness.
40:07
You know, especially when you're dealing with something that
40:10
you've done in the past, you know, in your life, you had of
40:14
this history with drilling, drilling with dealing drugs for
40:18
a short period of time. You, you talked about and you
40:21
alluded to earlier, you knew that Jesus had forgiven you,
40:23
that God had forgiven you, that Jesus died on the cross and, and
40:26
washed all that away. But there's still that aspect of
40:29
knowing that, but also still being able to forgive yourself
40:34
for actually able to be able to start moving forward and
40:37
allowing the lessons that you learned during that period to
40:40
now be able to impact how you reach others and talk to others,
40:44
which is I believe is a reason that you went through that
40:47
season. So give the listeners some tips,
40:50
if you will, on how they can go about forgiving themselves for
40:56
something that the enemy doesn't want them to forgive themselves
41:00
for. Yeah, he's such a jerk.
41:03
He is. He's such a jerky.
41:06
He'll just keep us bound in that doesn't he loves to keep us
41:09
bound, kill, steal and destroy, right.
41:11
But on the other side, what are some tips to help us?
41:15
You know what, what are the things that I've done in my life
41:18
again, is I, I think to realize where I am in the moment, to be
41:25
truthful, to be honest with God. I, I think one of the biggest
41:28
things that I see a lot of people struggle with is being
41:31
honest with God where you are in the moment.
41:34
I think the Psalms are a fabulous example of that because
41:39
what David did was he would say God, I am such in a sense, I am
41:44
such a failure. I'm a loser Lord.
41:47
I mean, if you're really dig into the language of the Psalms,
41:50
David and many of the Psalms that he wrote, he began with
41:54
more of I'm in, I'm in trouble, I have issues, I have messed up.
41:59
You know, I think what he's saying is God knows it.
42:03
Why don't I just be honest with him and admit it?
42:06
That's where I am. All of a sudden the enemy
42:09
doesn't have that hold on you anymore because the truth has
42:12
come forth when the truth sets you free and that truth to God,
42:17
you're not speaking to the enemy.
42:19
You're speaking to God and you're saying, Lord, I know I I
42:22
am messed up and I and what would David do?
42:25
I need you and the Psalms are classic examples to me of being
42:29
able of tips to be able to move into and what did it lead to the
42:34
celebration of his life in God in many different ways.
42:37
So I think for me, what happened is at one point in my life I
42:42
realized I'm trying to cover up the reality of my feelings.
42:47
I'm trying. It's almost like I'm going to
42:49
hide. Adam and Eve were hiding from
42:52
God or going how it hit me one day, how can you hide from God?
42:57
Excuse me? It's idiotic.
42:59
And that's what I thought. I'm an idiot if I think that I
43:03
can hide from God and I'm hiding my I'm trying to bury my
43:07
feelings, I'm trying to bury my frustrations and it's not
43:11
working, you know, I just get more frustrated.
43:14
And all of a sudden he said, why don't you just be honest with me
43:17
and tell me where you are? I can do that.
43:19
Yeah, I already know. Just have a comprehend.
43:23
So what does that mean? It's relationship.
43:25
It's my relationship with my God, my dad, my heavenly Father.
43:30
Just say, wow, Byron, just talk to me.
43:33
Just tell me where you are. And what does that do?
43:36
I'm now talking not to the enemy, trying to combat the
43:40
enemy. I'm talking to a loving father
43:42
who's going totally get it, totally understand where you
43:45
are. In fact, what if I was the one
43:48
who allowed it to happen so that you could grow deeper in me?
43:52
What? Really.
43:54
OK. And then what happens is you
43:57
just start confessing and you walk into a real relationship
44:00
with the father. Why?
44:01
Because it's honest. It's open now.
44:03
You have an open relationship with the father, right?
44:06
And from there, I believe that's where most likely the questions
44:11
will come in. And he'll give you questions to
44:13
go, how do I move forward? How do I get out of this?
44:17
And out of that comes celebration.
44:20
Love that, you know, and that's one of the things that I want
44:22
to, I want to highlight something you just said there
44:24
for a moment and that it's OK to be angry with God.
44:28
It's OK to be in the season where you're like, God, I don't
44:32
like you right now, because you know what, to be honest with
44:35
you, he's going to call you to do some hard things and you're
44:38
not going to like probably some of them because it's hard.
44:41
You know, I think my own, my own life.
44:44
I mean, right now I'm I'm coming up.
44:46
Actually, you see, this is, we're recording today, on
44:49
December 2nd. So it is now 8 months that I've
44:52
been unemployed and I'm like, there's been lots of
44:55
conversations with God, like, Hey, I don't like what you're
44:58
doing right now. This is uncomfortable.
45:00
What, what's going on? And but you know what?
45:03
It's in this eight months, he has taught me so much about
45:06
trusting him even more than I already knew because I've,
45:09
there's a lot in my story that I could go into ways that God has
45:12
shown me over the years that he can be trusted.
45:15
But even in these eight months, like it's been, there's been
45:18
some uncomfortable times, but he's shown up time and time
45:21
again. But it's even in those hard
45:23
times, it's that relationship, that honesty that I had with
45:27
them where like, God, like, I don't know what you're doing and
45:29
I can't see it and I'm really uncomfortable.
45:32
But can you like give me a tip here?
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Like give me something. And it's like you just, you just
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got to have those conversations with them.
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And he will provide and he has time and time again.
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And now just as of last week, he provided a job that I get to
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start in a few weeks after Christmas.
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And so I'm like, OK, thank you, God, I'm like.
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Cool. I'm like, the season is coming
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to an end. But he's used that.
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He's used it. You know, a lot of people,
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they're like, well, why would he do something so hard and allow
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something so hard in your life? And it's important that you take
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that time to reflect and figure out, OK, what else is he trying
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to teach me or get me to do that maybe I hadn't done before.
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And it was in that time that he used me to finish my book and
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publish it. He's used me to start this
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podcast and so there's things that he's been prompting me to
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do for quite a while that I was dragging my feet on.
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And so finally he just took me by the ear.
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You know, you think of a mother or a father that does
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misbehaving child, you know, they grab you by the ear and
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they drag you along. Like come with me.
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That's like he was like, finally he just brought me to my desk
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and it's like sit down and finish so.
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Yeah, that's awesome. So I love that you you talked
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about that because it's important that you realize that
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sometimes of the first step of being able to forgive yourself
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is to just be able to have those honest conversations with God
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and vent those frustrations and be able to talk about them in a
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very honest and real way with them.
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Because like you said, he already knows, he's just waiting
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for you to talk to him. Yeah, exactly.
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So the last question I have for you today is I want to just talk
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a little bit about, you know, you've got a lifetime of
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ministry, miraculous stories that you've talked about.
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So what is 1 truth about God that you hold on to now more
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than ever and is something that you want to leave the listeners
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with to meditate on today? That's a huge question.
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I didn't say it would be easy. One thing.
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Wow, yeah, wow. This that one, that one I where
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we are headed in the Kingdom of God and on the earth today.
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I believe there are two things that will keep us moving forward
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no matter where we are and what God does and how our lives are
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affected all around us. And those two things are what I
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call my 2 keys. The first one is go low James.
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Humble yourself in the sight of the Lord and He will exalt you
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basically in his time. He will do what he wants with
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because you've you've humbled yourself.
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And it doesn't say humble yourself before man because it's
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kind of a Helix. If, if, if you will humble
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yourself before God, you will naturally be humble before man
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because God is the creator of all things.
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He's a little bit mightier. And when we think of that and
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go, Oh, I'm humbling myself before the greatest, the
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mightiest, which leads me to the second, which is follow the lead
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of the Spirit. Listen to what God is asking
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you. Listen to the Spirit of God and
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follow that because in these moments of darkness and Indies,
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when you were in a moment of darkness and struggle, when we
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humble ourselves before the Lord and then listen to what he's
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asking and go after it. You know, I, I feel like we all
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do it. We all hear things and we don't
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respond well or we wait. What did he do for you?
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He took you out of a job for eight months.
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Why? Because he'd been saying
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something to you for quite a while.
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Write a book and maybe do this podcast, La, La La.
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Are you doing it? No, because I'm busy.
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We, we make excuses. We have different things.
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Of course we do. We all do it.
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And yet when we humble ourselves, it naturally draws us
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to listen to what the spirit is asking of us.
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That leads us into conversation, which brings us back to what
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relationship? It brings us back into the
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relationship. And it's no longer about just
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what we're doing, but about why we're doing it and who he is and
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why he wants us to be doing it. And it just gets us.
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So it almost becomes this Helix where it's like, humble
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yourself, follow the lead of the Spirit, enter into this
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relationship. The relationship brings us back
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into what the knowledge that, wow, He is a big God.
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I need to humble myself. What do I do when I humble
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myself? I follow the lead of the Spirit
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or back up into a relationship, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
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Yeah. So for me, in these times and
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when you're struggling, go low, simply go low, go low, keep your
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head down with the Lord, just go low, humble yourself before Him.
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And we've talked a lot about that already today.
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And then, of course, follow the lead of the Spirit.
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What is He saying to you? And that'll bring you into that
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relationship. We love that.
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Well, there's one thing I just want to I want to mention here
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is, you know, this is a common question that I get.
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And it's a question honestly, I asked myself over these last
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eight months is, you know, father, what is it that you're
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telling me to do? And how do I know it's actually,
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it's actually from you and it's not my own flesh.
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And I want to share with the listener something that that he
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gave me and it's something that I talk about on podcasts
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occasionally. If you're curious what these
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things are, you can go out to my website, wesleyfarnsworth.com.
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And I mentioned it in a few places, but there's a three-step
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checklist that God gave me to kind of run my thoughts against
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when I'm trying to decipher it's from if it's from him or if it's
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a flesh towards the enemy. And so that first, that first
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step is, is what you feel like he's being, you're being told to
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do. Will it further the Kingdom of
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God? It's the answer to that is yes.
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Then you move on to Step 2. Step 2 is what you're being
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called to do something that the enemy would want you to do.
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If the answer to that is no, then you move on to Step 3
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because he's in there. The enemy, the enemy doesn't
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want you to do things that are going to further the Kingdom of
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God. And so finally, the third one
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is, is this something that you're comfortable with?
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If the answer to that is no, then the chances are it's not
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your flesh telling you to do it because the flesh wouldn't want
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you to do something that's uncomfortable.
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And so the chances are if you're saying yes, that's something
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that's going further the Kingdom of God.
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And no, it's not something enemy wants me to do.
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And no, it's not something my flesh would want me to do
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because it's uncomfortable. There's a very good chance that
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it's what God wants you you to do and it's telling you to do.
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And so run for and move forward in that.
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Yeah, that's good. And so I want to leave the
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listeners with that because it's something that I think is
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important to mention here based on what what you've just shared.
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And so Byron, for those that want to find out more about you,
52:20
they want to find you on the Internet or whatever it is, tell
52:23
our listeners. Tell me, tell my listeners where
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they can find you and find out more about you.
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Yeah, the easiest way is there's, I have a website you
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can go to byroneasterling.com or it links to what is Pop Up Cafe
52:36
dot Live. Pop up Cafe dot Live.
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My books are on Amazon. In fact, I want to tell you that
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I will put a curious Tales of a Common Man up within a few days.
52:48
Well, we'll figure that out for your listeners for they can
52:53
download a free ebook. I always give that to podcasts.
52:56
You just all well, when this airs, it'll either be around
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that day that as as this airs. So I'm assuming you do some
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editing. You can so and you'll find that
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you can. I'll give you a.
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You'll have a link probably in your description in your notes
53:15
and that'll take you there, and it'll be on a specific date that
53:20
will also be listed there for you.
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Perfect. So listeners, if you want to
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hear more about Byron or to download that ebook that he
53:26
mentioned a check the show notes and you can find that link.
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And who doesn't love freebies, especially when it's a good
53:32
read. So thank you so much for being
53:34
willing to do that. And I know the listeners will
53:36
get a kick out of that and we'll enjoy reading Byron.
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Thank you so much for being with us today here on Unmasked and
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sharing your story about being coming from where you were to
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where you are now. Thanks Wesley.
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I really appreciate it. Had a great time.
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Well, thanks for joining me today on Unmasked.
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54:09
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54:12
forget to connect with me on social media.
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Until next time, remember that grace is greater than your past
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and freedom begins when we all live unmasked.
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God bless you. All right, so here is where.