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Viva la Werevolución | Underworld: Rise of the Lycans · Potato Chip Pictures - A Podcast

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9 out of 10. Let's wrap this up.
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I've already forgotten the score that I gave it, but I've been
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thinking about it today and I'm like whatever score I gave, it
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was probably too high. It's hard to want it to be
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better than it is because I I mean, I did read some of your
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stuff and it's like, yeah, a lot of the lore kind of get
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spaghetti. Because my main beef is it kind
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of follows that Lucian wants to make another mix of the races
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when he finds out. And who knows how much you need
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to edit this when he finds out that there's going to be a
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mixing of the bloodlines and then they lose it.
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It's like, OK, well that kind of props up his motivation in the
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first movie, but then it all brings it back to Marcus is the
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one that has the lichen brother. So that's where Lucian came
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from. But is he not at all related to
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Victor? How is Corvinus sin us all?
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I'm like. He's not.
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He doesn't matter. Well, sure, he doesn't matter,
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but I I had that that inkling spider sense of are these
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families cousins 'cause that would be a little unfortunate.
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Well, I mean, maybe that was the problem with Middle Ages in
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Europe Exactly. They kept doing the inbreeding.
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So maybe they're related. But you know, the second movie
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made it sound as though this was some deal with the devil that
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for some reason made Marcus the weak one.
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And yeah, but you know, most of the lore from the second one is
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forgotten. Like they just do away with it.
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Except for the fact that William exists and early werewolves are
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pure animal but otherwise forget everything.
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Second one said that you know the all the vampires work
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together until they caught William.
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This movie says no. The vampires have been doing
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their cycles since the beginning.
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That's what they and maybe they don't say this, but maybe they
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just brought everybody up so that they could fight William
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one last time, but they don't say that.
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That's me adding to the lore of the movie.
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And the only reason I say that is because at the end of this
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movie, they remind us that the reason Lucian or Victor didn't
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kill Celine is because she didn't want or he looked too
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much like the daughter that he killed.
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But she's part of the family that was building the tomb in
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prison for William. Who they already have the key
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for the key. Exists.
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That's it. The key exists.
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Oh my gosh, this movie so. I mean, we can, we can kick out
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the intro, but this is a good like a good vibe check of what's
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coming. Yeah, audience, I don't know if
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we're going to be able to hide our few moments on this one.
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Hello and welcome to Potato Chip Pictures, the movie franchise
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review podcast. Currently looking at the
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Underworld franchise. My name is B Sammy Davis.
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Hello and welcome again, I'm Justin.
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And today we are looking at the third movie in the franchise,
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Underworld, Rise of the Lichens. I have all of my data up and I
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just didn't. I was so caught up in our
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conversation that I forgot that I have paperwork 2009 new
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director and a very big writing team.
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So yes. So our new director is Patrick
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Tatopoulos. I think Lynn Wiseman was a
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producer on this. One I can't.
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Remember the credits? He was the director of the 1st
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2:00 so I can't imagine he would be totally removed from it.
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Like, I think this is his baby written.
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So the first two were written by Danny McBride alone.
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This one was written by Danny McBride, Dirk Blackman and
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Howard McCain. And then I think there's a
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fourth name for the story by there's a lot of hands in the
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kitchen for this one. Trying to reconcile what's what
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needs to get set up. But also, I mean it pointing it
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out early that it could be responsible for some of the
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choices, yeah. Well, we got a, we got a budget
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of $35 million, ten million less than the the last one.
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So they did, you know, even though the last one made more
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money, they spent more money than they made.
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So like it wasn't good math on the last one.
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So it makes sense that they would pull back and be like
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35,000,000, maybe we can make another 100 million and that
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would be cool. Unfortunately they made 91.4
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which is still a lot of money, but it is the lowest to this
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point in terms of box office return.
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They've had the right idea for spending less than.
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Yep, Yep. And the audience had the right
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idea for spending less on tickets.
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That's that's horrible. I don't mean that some cool
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things about this movie, I will grant it that.
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I think that the the love story, so to say, isn't quite as
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forced. Like we, we kind of fall into it
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happening, but hey, it happens in the 1st 30 minutes like oh,
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these guys are together and again, you only got 90 minutes
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to pull this off. They have to start out like
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loving each other. And I think to its credit,
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getting to the beginning mystery of the first underworld was done
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well. The the flame on scene and just
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the tragedy of all that matches what gets flashed back and was
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all hushed up like I don't know how you would hush mostly,
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mostly, but yeah, I the. I enjoy it.
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The only thing, the only thing that took me out of it was the
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fact that in the first one, they kept flashing back to this
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memory of a very public execution.
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And now we see what actually happened was there was no one.
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Yeah, like the vampires went to bed.
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For the day, no public executions.
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So I mean that that was good. I will say that it takes a
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little bit of the shine off of Michael Sheen.
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I don't love his his grief cries like it just didn't quite work.
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But. I am going to say that Michael
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Sheen and Bill Nighy carry this movie for me.
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So by the time we get to that forced scream, I'm already sold.
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So it didn't like you pointing it out kind of makes me go, oh,
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yeah, it was kind of weird. But at the time of watching,
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didn't cross my mind. I was like, Michael Sheen's a
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genius. Yeah, I think I wanted it to be
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more guttural and less human because he's a liking.
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I mean, we don't get too many of that, but that would be my
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nitpick of it. Something is escaping me and I'm
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trying to remember what it was because that part is what I
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enjoyed. And what else did I enjoy about
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it? Well, we'll get to that part in
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our review. I don't remember the name of the
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Councilman who is barely in the movie.
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He's he, No, he's not a Councilman.
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He wants to be a Councilman and that's what eventually allows
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him to back up Sonia and Lucian at the end.
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But I liked him for I I don't know, maybe because he wasn't
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overly in the movie he was able to build more character.
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But I don't know his name, so I don't know the actor.
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And it's terrible that my best compliment is like, wow, he was
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so mysterious because we barely got to see him.
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Yeah, like that Councilman, He's, he's oh, he's in the
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matrix. He is.
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He is Neo's boss when he is like late to work.
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Do you have a future at this company?
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The. Matrix.
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Yeah, yeah, it's. Like that guy?
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Oh yeah. That's crazy.
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I. I never would have picked that
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up. I barely recalled it right now
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because I was like, Oh yeah, he wants to be on the council.
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But then in the first movie, the council ends up being three
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people, right? But.
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Well, those are the elders. Those are the ones in charge.
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I think the council is a different thing, even in the
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first movie, because they were going to have Celine judged by
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the council, which would not have been just Victor and
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Amelia, because that's just two people.
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Like, it has to be a separate group.
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It has to be. I'm defending this movie's weak
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roar. As it I mean that that's my
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positive perspective on it, is that it leans hard into a
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fantasy werewolf vampire movie, but only into like the violence
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of it and the the look of it, not necessarily the history of
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the like. Having watched most of the
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Witcher, there is a focus on the violence of defeating the
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monsters, but the story has Wizards.
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It has, what do you call it, doppelgangers.
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It has things that exist more populated than just werewolves
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and vampires. Like the only thing that could
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possibly show up in this movie is a hybrid.
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And beyond that, we got nothing else.
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Yeah, they've already shown us everything.
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So like they and they can't show us hybrids because, you know,
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those aren't there yet. Those are the future movies in
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the past, yes. Marcus became a hybrid because
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of the werewolf blood. Like he wasn't always a hybrid.
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And then I think about like, William at this point, if
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they've been fighting for what? 2 new centuries.
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Yeah, like surely he has had a sip of vampire blood.
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So William should be a a hybrid, but he doesn't exist in this
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movie at all except for the fact that he's the first werewolf.
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Like, Oh my gosh, this movie's Lord.
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Yeah. So the first 30 minutes are
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there for us. I man what sucks is like if you
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had never watched a single Underworld movie.
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I think this movie is pretty good.
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Yeah. On its own, if it if we had
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never, if this had been the first one, I think I would have
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come out of this being like, this is really a good movie.
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But because this is such a lore focused franchise and the fact
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that they've just thrown away all, well, most of the old lore
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to replace it with brand new lore and it conflicts and it and
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they don't care that it conflicts, despite the fact that
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that's their whole deal. I It annoys me and that's why
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I'm going to be so angry at this movie and I'm trying not to be
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because there are cool things about it.
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Sure. Yeah, I think there's there are
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things that are invented for the the pacing and the plot to
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happen. Like the werewolves in, I guess
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in the first movie, they're not enslaved anymore.
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In the second movie they have some that are in chains, but
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they're they're protecting tennis, who shows up in this
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movie. I think his story went all
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right, a little 50% of it. It's like, OK, he's I maybe I
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felt more sympathy for his character when he's getting
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accused of giving out a key to the shackles then I did for the
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main character. I lost her name, no.
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Oh, Sonia is the character's name and I can't even remember
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the actor's name, who I don't think I had ever seen in
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anything. Before this that Sonia gets
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burned up, I did not feel as much emotion as watching tennis
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stumble looking for a key. And I thought, I thought he had
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given out the only key. But he finds a key.
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It's like. Well, that part didn't bug me
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because way earlier Lucian did say he made a key.
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Like, well, yeah, but a second key because, oh, he made a He
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says that he made a second key. OK.
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Yeah, he was like, I made this, This is.
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Well, because it had the. This is a duplicate.
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It had the feel of he did give him a key.
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I thought he slipped. He gave him a key at the end,
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but he gave him his own key. The the key that was inside the
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piece of evidence that he picked up.
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Like, again, there are parts of this movie that like the movie
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stands on its own, and I'm going to be fine with it on its own.
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It's the it's in relation to the franchise where this movie
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doesn't stand up. Yeah.
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So it's, you know, it was consistent within the universe.
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First, Lucian says he made a copy of the key.
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Then he hulks out. And in the aftermath, Tanis
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picks it up and he pulls the key out.
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And then I think he just leaves the the collar there because I
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don't think anyone cares about the caller.
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Tanis is the last one to leave the scene.
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So Tanis now has two keys. He has the key that he put in
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his room to never be pulled again and the new copy key.
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So he gives the copy key back to Lucian.
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Yeah, you get it. I guess I, I felt like, oh, he's
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trying to, you know, talk his way out of this one.
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And then, oh, he found a key. Oh, how about that?
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Oh well, that's lucky. I was taken off by his panic
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about it, where he was like, where is the key?
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Because I was like, you know, that that you have a key.
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But now that I'm thinking about it, I'm like, well, maybe he
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doesn't know that it's a copy. Maybe he thinks it's the
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original key. And now he's like, wait a
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minute, I'm being accused. Like, uh oh.
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Seems like yes, and maybe we want to go by the actors 'cause
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we talked about Nae and Sheen. I do think that maybe even
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though Sonia gets burned up, the best part of her, what do you
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call it, acting or her plot, her all of that is when they are
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like at the end, they're at the death.
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They're going to die. We've seen this several times in
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the series up to now. If you're watching this on its
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own, you have never seen it. Yeah.
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I think they do have earned the words that they speak to each
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other. And it's it's tragic.
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Like I feel like maybe I haven't watched enough movies, but like
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James Bond, Casino Royale, when she dies, it's after a whole
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movie. Other Bond girls kind of just
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die after having been on screen for 20 minutes.
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But here they, they have had screen time, they have had
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conversation with each other. It's it's about their, the
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relationship, about their love. And so this is devastating.
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And then maybe that'd be why I didn't love his scream of grief,
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because it's like, Dang. She.
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She. Went up like paper and it's it's
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suitably dark and tragic for a vampire werewolf movie.
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I'll, I'll agree with you there. I'll agree with you there.
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And I I do think their relationship is very well done
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and I don't know how much I can say is both the actors having
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good chemistry and how much is just Michael Sheen being really
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good. Yeah, I do think she didn't do.
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I wasn't poor acting, but it was not very much there.
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She's kind of set up to be defiant, and it's like, yeah,
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she does do the defiant and she does have stuff happen, but
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like, yeah, not not a big part of the movie, even though she
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should be super important. Again, the female The women in
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Underworlds don't quite get to be heroes.
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I mean, in this movie at least they put Michael Sheen's face on
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on most of the posters. But they did have, I think it's
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Rona Mitra is how it's pronounced.
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They had Sonia's face on on a lot of the posters and and she
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still looks so much like Celine. She does look a lot like Celine.
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Give him that. And then I also think they they
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tried to make her act like Kate Beckinsale, like you.
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Could see that. And if that's the case, that's
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fine. Like that plays into the lore of
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Victor seeing Celine as his daughter.
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But I, I do kind of think that I have kind of a lower view of her
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as a character just because I'm like, you're just doing Celine,
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but we don't have Celine like. Sure, yeah.
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Yeah, but I do believe the love story.
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So credit to this movie. I never believed in any love
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story with Celine. Because like and we've been
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robbed of anybody important dying in the 1st 2 movies.
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Like oh Michael, he's OK. Like it's fine, they'll come
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back. No, she burns through a crisp
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and it is sad. Like.
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So then they jump to a character that I loved and I thought, go I
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He's not an actor that I know because he's extra almost, but
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he has lines. The human noble that comes in
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and is like, you guys can't even keep the likings out of your
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place. Why should I be paying you?
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This dude's got man. He is brave to be inside this
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place with the sacrificial money and then telling him off.
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Awesome job human. Too bad we know you're going to
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die. Yeah, that, that particular
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scene stood out for me as well. I was like, wow, like, that's
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some pretty powerful and bold stuff.
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Like, I know it exists just so we can watch Victor throw
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someone into a Stonewall, but still, like, give it to him.
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Like, all right, well, I mean, let's, let's actually talk about
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this thing. We got to, we got to get through
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it. It's, well, I mean, we've been
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hitting the 1st 30 minutes like yeah.
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That's true. Let's let's at least point out
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that this this movie tells us the origin of intelligent
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werewolves and it's, I guess werewolves give birth.
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I didn't know that. It's not indicated in any of the
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other movies in their lawyer, but they had done William to say
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this is the origin of the werewolves.
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That can't change, but we have werewolves that could change.
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At some point there has to be a werewolf that either changes
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from wolf, born as a wolf or born as a human.
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Yeah, like, and I in my head, I just thought at some point
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Lucian would be bitten and he would be different.
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I did blew my mind that they were giving birth.
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But then we immediately follow that up with a young version of
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both of our main characters telling me that vampires also
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give birth. Like there are undead children.
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Think I must have missed that plot point.
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Well, because she's a little girl when when we first see so.
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Yeah, and your mother died when she brought, when she had you,
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he says. That's the point later.
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Yeah, like it blows the mind that that exists.
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And then the other thing that is established, OK, it's not
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established. It's confirmed and then never
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touched again. We see that the first time the
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full moon hit Lucian, or at least when Lucian was younger,
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the full moon, wood forest, a transformation.
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But then they start wearing these collars that have spikes
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that are meant to Pierce the jugular if they transform.
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And there are many full moons since then, so I guess they can
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choose not to transform at a full moon.
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But what about the slaves who are recently mauled and then
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brought back to life? When do they get to turn hunt,
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feed and then go back to being able to this all this franchises
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lore? I think you you'd have to really
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have someone like a writer to think through a story that
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includes the concessions of this wouldn't work because we can't,
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we can't make the werewolves without them turning at some
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point and they have to have collars.
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And so, yeah, that explanation is lacking.
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I would agree. Now, at least what they seem to
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be consistent on is that a werewolf in this time can only
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transform at the full moon, and it's the first movie that says
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that they've learned to transform at will.
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So I will give the movie that credit.
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They are at least respectful of that one piece of lore.
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Lucian only ever transforms in a full moon, but you know that
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happens what, 3-4 times in this whole?
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Movie must have been in the course of the same night or
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something. One full moon.
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I was taken off guard when the love story started.
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They genuinely fooled me because you know, they meet with that
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horse race or not horse race. It's Sonia running away from
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danger. Gets to the.
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Yeah. And Lucian shoots the last
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werewolf. And in my head, I was like, wow,
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here he is proving himself. And then later the movie's like,
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no, he's in love with her. And I was like, oh, wow, I did
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not see that coming. Yeah.
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So yeah, love stories already happened by the time this movie
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begins. And maybe that's my other
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criticism. We don't actually get to see
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when they fell in love. You got 90 minutes.
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It's tough like. They don't need 90 minutes.
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They're allowed two hours. It's it's.
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True, because I will say some of the epic fight scenes, which are
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the excuse to have spent the money on costumes and makeup and
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computer graphics, they just go on for a while.
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Like I'm OK with seeing your makeup team show the whip scars
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all bleeding and stuff like that was really good makeup.
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Good job. Or the half transformations when
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they've got like wolf teeth but they're just the actors with
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teeth. Like you could, if you want to
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add more to the love story, cut down on some of the fight
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fights. Yeah, but then the teenage boys
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might not go to the movies, I guess.
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Yeah, I'll. I'll give you all of that.
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And the beginning is probably the weakest.
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Well, no, no, the end is also the weakest part for me.
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There's a lot of weak parts for the me, but the middle does kind
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of stand up as the highlight of this movie.
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I I was having the best time around the time Sonia decides to
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go rescue the humans in the woods even though her dad
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ordered her not to for some reason.
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We're waiting for them, but please don't make sure they get
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here. Yeah, or something.
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Why did they stop in the woods? But yeah, she is defiant.
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And then, you know, I guess Lucian can sense the danger from
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a mile away, so he has to be defiant as well.
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Or something like that. Yeah, middle, middle section,
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Act 2, I think as far as it sets up the actual burning at the
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stake of or at the moonlight or whatever, however they get the
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sunlight in there, Yeah. It it also sets up the
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revolution. Yeah, the act to that.
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'Cause he gets there and I'm trying to remember why he gets
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thrown in jail the 1st. Time Well so when he goes to
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rescue Sonia, who went to rescue the humans, he starts fighting
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off werewolves with conventional weapons.
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Rays from the first movie is watching him and then he grabs
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his copy of a key and uses it to unlock his collar where he can
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transform. And he doesn't actually fight.
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I think he fights 2, maybe three of them and then starts roaring
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so they all run away. Oh yeah.
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But that's why he's thrown in prison, because he had
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transformed. He had taken off his collar and
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freely transformed without permission.
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Yeah, I mean, I can see slavery giving them that because for the
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movie's credit, there are a couple of 1 liners that are
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like, oh, that's so high minded and like, hold on a second, the
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werewolves are right in the first movie.
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They're the good guys. Oh yeah, Oh yeah. 3 movies in a
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row have firmly told us that in this universe, vampires are the
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baddies. They're just the baddies that
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we're watching. Yep, but don't worry, Kate
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Beckinsale in the first movie will make you root for the bad
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guys I guess. Yeah, she's the exception.
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She's the only good vampire. So anyways, when they capture
29:53
him and whatever pictures like I give you life and Lucian says
30:01
you gave me chains and it's a very simple dialogue.
30:05
That is the heart of his motivation and Victor's
30:11
resentment, I guess of his slave not being a perfect slave.
30:16
I guess. So bad guy, good guy.
30:21
There we go. It's it's it's nice one liners
30:25
that communicate. Nicely, it's powerful because of
30:31
the actors, because you know, someone just throwing that out
30:34
there without believing it, it doesn't work.
30:37
But if you've got someone with gravitas being able to deliver
30:41
it, and then you've got someone like Bill Nighy who can be
30:44
insulted by it, like, oh man, does it work.
30:49
Something that doesn't work around that same part is the
30:54
sound mixing. It's so frustrating trying to
30:58
hear the dialogue after I've heard the snarls really really
31:02
well. Like snarls are at the right
31:04
volume, like at my computer right in front of me, but then
31:08
they start talking to them. I literally have to turn it up
31:12
otherwise I can't hear them. I listen, so I usually watch
31:17
these movies after we record. That's my first viewing.
31:21
And then sometimes I'll watch them a second time if I have
31:24
complicated feelings about them. So it's late at night and I
31:28
don't want to upset my neighbors.
31:29
So I I try to limit the volume of the movie.
31:34
And this one, like, thank goodness I watch it with
31:37
subtitles because I could not hear anything during the quiet
31:42
sections. Like they went nearly mute, it
31:45
was so quiet. Yeah.
31:48
So I'll agree with you there. It does kind of drop off just in
31:51
terms of quality around this time, especially because we've
31:55
had so much noise. Sandwich that with a good thing,
31:59
because I guess in our Oreo criticism, the cream is the bad
32:03
stuff. I kind of like the fact that we
32:10
watch the Revolution through Reyes's perspective.
32:14
Not necessarily through his perspective because he's barely
32:17
in the movie, but when Lucian shows up, we cut to him really
32:23
focused on Lucian. Like he is already a believer
32:27
without them ever having said a word to each other.
32:30
Then we go to the prison. He's the one at the the the wall
32:35
who's like, hey, is it true about you?
32:37
And like he's selling the revolution for us.
32:42
He was kind of a nothing character in the first movie,
32:45
and this time he kind of matters and he kind of sells Our
32:50
Revolution to me. So I'm going to say hats off to
32:54
Raise. I've already forgotten the name
32:57
of the actor who plays. I think his voice Grievo.
33:01
I keep wanting to find out if his voice is part of his persona
33:05
or the way he talks normally because.
33:08
I have to believe it's the way he talks normally.
33:11
It has to be the way he talks normally.
33:14
I. Also hope that it's the way he
33:16
talks normally. Why would they add an effect on
33:20
one character like that would be so weird.
33:23
But yeah, I, I, you know, just in glancing at what other people
33:29
had said about this movie, a lot of people kind of made fun of
33:33
the fact that Reyes was even in it.
33:35
They're like, look, we even have characters from the original
33:39
movie. But he's for me, he works.
33:42
I I like him as a character and I like his role in the movie and
33:47
in the second act. He kind of sells it for me.
33:50
It makes the 1st movies interaction feel like a long
33:56
time partnership of he's been with Reyes since they fought at
34:02
the vampire stronghold. Like how I don't know how many
34:06
100 years ago that is, but Victor isn't even asleep yet for
34:12
whichever time that is. I think they sleep for 200 years
34:17
and then the other one like they're awake for 100, sleep for
34:21
200. What if at least that's what?
34:23
If they have like like a severed vertebrae or like a a severed
34:28
spinal cord, how long should they sleep?
34:32
Apparently it has no effect on them.
34:34
Zero. Effect.
34:36
Yeah, don't jump to the end yet. Like.
34:39
It's a it's an Easter egg because what the hell?
34:46
Yeah, we got to remember these guys are immortal and they can
34:50
survive nearly anything. Nearly anything, I guess.
34:55
I think Bill did a much better job in the first movie.
34:58
I think the Gorge. I'll agree with you, I just
35:01
still think he's one of the best parts of this movie.
35:06
Him nobleman Lucian. Yeah, Tannis.
35:11
Oh, you mean the human nobleman? Yeah, I forgot about him
35:15
already. At least in the first third.
35:19
Mm hmm. I am a sucker for a revolution.
35:25
I'm just going to tell you that now, if we ever get to any other
35:29
franchises that have revolutions within them, usually a movie
35:34
with a revolution is a one off thing.
35:36
So we're probably not going to do them.
35:39
But I'm going to tell you now, I'm a sucker and I want to watch
35:44
the rise of the lichens. I want to see them escape
35:48
prison. Well, the ones imprisoned do, I
35:53
think. I guess we'll do a comparison.
35:59
Do you enjoy the, I don't know, 20 minutes that Lord of the
36:04
Rings spends going through the mountains with the ghosts and
36:08
getting that group ready to fight for Aragon?
36:16
Because we're talking about the extended cut, because that
36:18
didn't happen like in the theaters.
36:20
They just, like, were there. They just made it.
36:24
Yeah. The theatrical cut, they cut
36:25
most of that journey. I think it's like the very
36:28
beginning. And then they meet the ghosts
36:31
after some cuts. And I will agree, the extended
36:35
cut ruins it. Like having multiple
36:39
conversations with ghosts kills the surprise.
36:44
And I, I'll be honest, I was kind of freaked out when they
36:48
showed up in the theatrical cut. I was like, whoa, there's
36:51
ghosts. How are they going to fight
36:52
this? Oh, the ghosts are on their
36:54
side. Like whoa.
36:55
Like so, so to speak. The extended ruined.
37:00
Well, I disagree 'cause my comparison was going to be the
37:06
fact that there is conversation and there is a partial set up to
37:17
oh, like these guys will help fight when they show up.
37:21
It's kind of a surprise that like they can go and fight in
37:26
this one and that's it's in the revolution part.
37:30
After they've freed the lichens from the stronghold, the wild
37:36
lichens that can't shape shift growl at him and he stands
37:43
still. And then we don't know if they
37:46
are in in the revolution. We're just supposed to know that
37:51
they're in. That's where I'm like, that
37:54
could have used a little more development because then I know
37:58
what like, I wasn't supposed to be as surprised that he can call
38:03
them from the forest to his aid. I thought he was went to them to
38:09
see if they wanted to help. Back to your metaphor, at least
38:15
in Lord of the Rings, Aragorn had to plead his case and
38:20
actually convince the ghosts to fight for him in both versions
38:24
of the movie. Whereas this one, it looks like
38:28
he's about to have his face eaten off when we cut, and the
38:32
next time we hear from them is when they're howling or when
38:36
Lucian just shows up unharmed and like, why didn't he get a
38:41
chance to talk? Furthermore, this would have
38:43
been a perfect time to have an Easter egg of William, but no.
38:48
No, he's already chained up somewhere because the Locket
38:52
already exists. Maybe that's where it is,
38:57
because then the Locket. Oh, it's.
39:00
So frustrating to not Celine. Well, he grabs it after she's
39:07
dead. Oh, that's right.
39:09
Because he fights for it, he gets it.
39:11
So yeah, Victor didn't give up the other half of the key.
39:16
I in my head, I had rewritten the the lore to be like, Victor
39:20
didn't care about the key. He gave it away.
39:23
Like no he he did not give it up willingly.
39:26
But yes, the key exists. Therefore the key inside of
39:30
Lucian or Victor exists, therefore the lock exists.
39:35
Except that Celine and her family who built the tomb don't
39:40
exist. Like.
39:41
Gosh, this movie's. Lord, but that kind of breaks.
39:44
It the revolution is fine. I think the only part of the
39:49
revolution I hate is during the initial escape when there's that
39:53
wall of ballista bolts that blocks people like that.
40:01
It's an interesting image that would have stuck with me if they
40:05
had cut it maybe like 2 lines earlier.
40:10
Because the longer you look at it the longer you're like that's
40:14
weird. Like why don't they try any
40:17
other? Direction.
40:18
Yeah. And why are they just stuck
40:20
here? Yummy.
40:23
Yeah, yes, I will agree. That was like, oh, we needed
40:27
some to stay behind. So we have to go back like he
40:30
already has left. What's her name?
40:32
If she doesn't come, he's going to go back.
40:34
Like he's he is trapped by what he wants.
40:38
And Victor's right. So he doesn't need much
40:42
motivation from the werewolf revolution to go back, Yeah.
40:48
The werewolves are content leaving if I and I kind of wish
40:52
that we had anyone making that argument.
40:55
But why make that argument? Because Lucian immediately says
40:59
you're free to go. No revolution today, boys.
41:02
I'm going to have a revolution. I'm going to go back and fight.
41:06
But everybody else, you are good to go.
41:09
If you stick around, you're expected to fight if you leave.
41:12
Have a good life. And I'm just like, wow.
41:15
So I guess nobody's going to offer a counter argument because
41:18
if they do, they can just go like they're free to go.
41:22
All right unto you what's? Yes, so I was just going to say
41:25
that does kick off the third act, which brings us right back
41:30
to the love story, because the only reason the the war begins,
41:35
the only reason the lichens return to free the rest of the
41:40
lichens is because Lucian is in love and he goes alone.
41:46
And we have an extended part of this movie where I'm thinking,
41:52
all right, so the revolution failed immediately.
41:54
Like our leader just walked into the trap and has been captured
41:59
and now he's, how's he going to get anyone to come in here?
42:04
He has to use the wild Lycans, I guess, yeah.
42:09
Yeah, thank goodness they can howl.
42:10
One downside of the burning of oh, keep forgetting Sonia.
42:21
He's he's furious beforehand, but not figurious enough to be
42:30
strong enough to change. But he needs the moonlight.
42:34
But it's the moonlight that killed her, Howard.
42:36
It is very contradictory that he will change after she's dead
42:42
because it's more tragic that way, but yeah.
42:46
This represents their very first QuickTime change and the first
42:53
one I'm OK with because the vampires went to bed for the
42:56
day. The roof is opened and she is
42:59
burned and now Lucian has to sit with the charred corpse of his
43:05
love for the day. Like until the sun goes down.
43:09
But we, the audience don't. So we cut immediately to night
43:13
time when Victor is awake again and he's coming in to gloat.
43:20
The one that bothers me is going to be at the end that you teased
43:25
and I don't want to get there yet because we got a whole war
43:28
to fight or a battle to fight. It's.
43:31
A really long battle. It is, it's most of this act and
43:35
so we can't just gloss over it. My only beef with the execution
43:40
scene is that later in the movie, like within 20 minutes,
43:46
we're going to watch 2 vampires get exposed to sunlight and they
43:49
get completely dusted. Like no charred corpse, nothing.
43:54
They are dust and she is hanging on these chains with a charred
44:01
corpse that's able to support all of that body weight.
44:03
It's like the Pompeii statues. Yeah, yeah.
44:07
But she has been frozen in time. So that that like within the
44:12
movie, that's a bit of inconsistency that I'm just kind
44:15
of annoyed by where I'm like, come on, pick your lore.
44:19
Pick it, stick to it, make it good.
44:23
Yeah, I I mean, I'm not a wrecker, so I don't know how
44:26
what it takes to make things consistent, but.
44:30
And a lot of that usually isn't the writer's fault because
44:33
sometimes, you know, once it gets to the set, directors,
44:37
actors, producers, anyone working on it for any reason
44:42
might need to change something in the script.
44:44
Maybe it didn't sound cool. Maybe the effect that they
44:46
wanted to do just doesn't work and they need to write something
44:50
just in case they can't make it work.
44:53
And so, like, I am willing to accept that sometimes things
44:58
don't work. But then we get to the editing
45:01
room where presumably a lot of people had to watch this movie a
45:06
lot of times before it was considered finished.
45:09
And no one said, hey, that's inconsistent.
45:13
Like that doesn't work. Maybe they just had a but
45:15
whatever, you know, like a swear jar whenever they find
45:18
something, just put a dollar in and then we'll we'll party after
45:23
it's cut. That's that's where that missing
45:26
$10 million wins. That's that's why they saved
45:29
money. So she gets the Locket, gets
45:35
shot, does a scream, and all the wild lycans come, and then all
45:39
his. I don't know what you call him,
45:42
The morphable lycans without their colors.
45:47
Come the transformable ones and again they transform at will.
45:54
The the full moon doesn't force a transformation.
45:58
They decide to transform. And the first narrative bit in
46:03
Underworld, she talks about how they couldn't transform on their
46:07
own, they had to wait for a moon.
46:10
And now? Well, yes.
46:12
So I will give them that like. Well then it's like now they can
46:16
transform at will, the stronger ones can.
46:18
It's like how soon was now. Yeah.
46:23
Was it like 100 years later? Like this same group immediately
46:28
could do it, except it is now. It's like 800 years later that
46:33
she's telling us they can transform at will, but whatever.
46:38
I had it in my head because of the way they talked to the lead
46:43
singer of Creed in the first movie.
46:46
They said when the full moon would come, at least the first
46:49
time, he would have to change. He would have to feed or he
46:53
would have to hunt and he would have to feed, and then he would
46:58
be able to turn back to a human. And apparently after that the
47:02
full moon was just a voluntary thing like all other werewolf
47:07
media will tell you the full moon forces a transformation,
47:11
not underworld. Underworld will tell you a full
47:14
moon gives a transformation if you want to transform on that
47:20
full moon. So frustrating.
47:24
Yeah, seems like it. Maybe we just have to watch it a
47:27
second time to see if it lines up well.
47:33
This is the revolution. This is the third act, the.
47:36
It is. Protagonist's love interest is
47:40
dead, but his revolutionary forces are here.
47:45
And for some reason, he is not going to transform again for the
47:48
rest of the movie. It's not as powerful that way.
47:52
I don't know. I guess yeah, I have.
47:56
No. Someone else was like, are they
47:58
only allowed to do it once per night?
48:01
Like if they train, change and then come back, is it over with?
48:04
D&D runs for long rest. Yeah, like.
48:07
You have a limited amount of changes per day.
48:11
Yeah, that's that's the only explanation for why he would
48:14
choose to go in his weaker form. But also, like most of the
48:19
werewolves stay in their human form so they can fight with
48:23
swords instead of with their claws and teeth.
48:25
You know, they're famously sharp claws and teeth.
48:31
I don't love the revolution, but I do like Reyes in it.
48:36
Reyes continues to be fine, but he also chooses to transform
48:41
like at the end. Oh yeah, I think for the set up
48:49
and fighting, it's a lot of nice action.
48:55
I think it it benefits what they are going for, which is a full
48:59
on rejection of the slavery and really just trying to destroy
49:06
the slave drivers, which sounds good.
49:09
Like mm hmm go do that. Thumb.
49:12
Yeah, Thumbs up. So there's a lot of the like,
49:16
beheadings that were popular in the other movies, both sides.
49:21
I don't know that I love that Lucian spots Victor and then
49:28
slow motion saunters across the battlefield 80% of the way and
49:33
then has to fight somebody. I feel like he's just like, yes,
49:38
he's locked in, but he's not even helping the other guys.
49:43
Yeah. He's he's not a part of the
49:45
revolution anymore, like, but I guess he's going for the boss.
49:49
Yeah, whatever. But then Victor slips away.
49:54
Lucian goes after him, but we we purposely see Victor stripping
49:59
away his armor. Why?
50:01
Why? Why for 1/3 time?
50:07
This is also we are getting to my frustrating time change
50:12
because for the entirety of this battle it has been at night
50:16
where vampires and werewolves famously fight.
50:20
It's been like 5 minutes of them chasing each other and yet when
50:24
Lucian catches up to him now it's daytime.
50:28
It's like noon. Because we have to have sun
50:31
coming through the ceiling. Yeah, gosh, I get so mad if I
50:37
get mad at this whole fight. If it was a little more subtle
50:40
or something, something like I don't know if he if you give us
50:47
a time, a night that it is or if it.
50:49
I've been chasing you for weeks like.
50:51
Something if he was leaving and the lichens came at like 4:00
50:55
AM, OK, Like that's closer than midnight to sunrise at 7:30.
51:02
Yeah, yeah. But even then, you know, the
51:07
vampires would have had to run away anyway because they can't
51:11
fight. And I think that the pure
51:15
lichens, the ones who have to stay in wolf form, I think they
51:18
also have to escape the sunlight.
51:21
I think that, you know, it makes no sense that they were fighting
51:26
that close to daytime. Everybody panics once the sun
51:31
comes up. They're all like we all lost.
51:36
Yes, yeah, yeah, I the sunlight is used so that he can beat
51:41
Victor, but yeah, doesn't make sense.
51:44
Yeah, it's such a weird time jump.
51:47
I did say out loud, I live alone.
51:51
I don't have anyone to say this to, but I did say out loud, well
51:55
at least they're not going to kill off Victor because he's a
51:58
like any sense. Yeah, that was a bad one liner
52:04
there. That just does like he doesn't
52:06
do or resolve anything. I should have killed you when
52:11
you were born. You didn't.
52:14
My heart like it's so flat. Yeah, and then he's dabs him
52:22
through the mouth in the brain stem.
52:25
She'll be, he'll be fine, sleep it off.
52:28
For real. Because like I guess you have to
52:31
cut through the middle of his brain to kill him.
52:33
Like it's, it's not a part of the brain, it's the like the
52:36
middle part of the cerebral cortex that has to be cut like
52:40
for him to die. And I just how would lichens not
52:45
know or understand that immortality means you have to
52:50
stake them or sunlight them I assume.
52:53
I assume that's the rationale for why he's still alive.
52:57
Yeah, like they don't give us a reason why he's still alive.
53:00
They don't even let us sit with him dying.
53:02
I watched that twice to make sure I'm like.
53:06
Hold on. Because they, they kill him off,
53:10
full on, they kill him, plummet down.
53:15
And then I think someone immediately remembered, Oh yeah,
53:18
he's in the first movie. We can't kill him off.
53:22
And so then they bring him back and he's getting into his coffin
53:26
and he's still alive. And no other elder is out.
53:30
Like who's going to wake up the elders if they're all dried up?
53:36
Yeah, because if they're all dried up, I guess that's the
53:38
only time they don't have perfect blood memory.
53:41
Oh, except in this movie they also still have perfect blood
53:45
memory at all times. This this movie and its lore.
53:54
And like, I know there's going to be people who are like, it
53:56
doesn't matter, like it's just a movie.
53:59
Why does it matter? This movie has told us its lore
54:03
matters. It has huge like amounts of time
54:09
dedicated to exposition to tell you the history and to make sure
54:14
you are caught up. They are giving you the promise
54:18
that lore is important to this franchise and movie after movie
54:23
they are saying oh forget that last lore, this is the new one
54:27
and it's better. This is our new lore, and it's
54:29
cooler than the last one. New lore, Yeah.
54:35
Well, that that really. Actually, we're still not done
54:41
with the movie because there is one more thing.
54:44
But it's like 10 seconds. I know, but it's how they were
54:49
able to put Kate Beckinsale name on the movie.
54:55
Wikipedia says spectacle did not film new footage.
54:59
No, it's from like the first or second.
55:02
But she did provide a monologue for the beginning and end of the
55:06
film. What did I say last time?
55:10
Are we going to have a Sonia narrating or is it going to be
55:14
Celine? Guess what?
55:15
It was Celine. Yeah, so she exists as a voice
55:21
and as past footage at the very end.
55:25
Also, at the very end, they play voice over line from the first
55:29
movie where someone's talking about why Celine was bitten.
55:33
Yeah, it's so dumb. It's so dumb.
55:37
Like the very end of this movie does not need to exist.
55:40
They could have ended the movie with Victor being put into the
55:44
coffin and then gone to credits, but they did that last little
55:49
button and that sucks. Yeah, it could have been where
55:56
it kind of stood on its own already.
55:59
It could have just ignored. Not ignored.
56:02
I mean, ignored a lot of it already, but didn't need to
56:05
remind us that. Oh, and if this is the only one
56:09
you're watching, you have no idea who this woman is.
56:13
Watch the first one, man. You really should, but then you
56:18
shouldn't. But then you should only watch
56:20
this one. But then you don't get it.
56:24
It's so hard. OK, well, now that we've covered
56:29
everything in the movie, let's finally talk about the fact that
56:32
on this podcast we do ratings, not grades.
56:36
The primary difference is where you find the average in a grade.
56:40
You say A7 out of 10 is the average and you weight
56:42
everything up to A7 out of 10. If you like that movie was
56:47
average, you give it that 7. And that's such a high score for
56:51
anything. So in this podcast, we give it a
56:54
rating. We say 5 out of 10 is the
56:57
middle. And that's why we say if a movie
56:59
is A5, that doesn't mean it's bad.
57:01
It just means it's in the middle.
57:03
It is the average. So with that in mind, Justin,
57:07
what would you give this movie? I'm going to abstain from giving
57:13
it any credit. So no rating.
57:17
No. The things that I liked were
57:25
few. The things that I liked are
57:30
staples of what it's already done well, like gore and makeup.
57:36
CJI was a little lacking in this one.
57:38
They looked a little bit funky, but I think a lot of the
57:42
practical blood, the Spears, the the werewolf costumes or the
57:52
werewolf teeth, it's very important that the things exist
57:57
on the screen and so that's good on them.
58:02
I don't feel like there's as many stunts done as before
58:05
because some of the those things were like CGI, felt like the
58:09
werewolf's running in the trees was a nice twist on them, like
58:16
traversing things a little differently, being a little bit
58:19
sneaky. But then it doesn't really do
58:20
anything the rest of the film. I'm struggling to quantify it
58:27
because I like that they set up Sonia and Lucian to have a a
58:40
definitive death and tragic story for him to be using in the
58:45
first movie because he just kind of wanted to make a hybrid
58:51
because unless I've forgotten something.
58:55
But with this one, I enjoy that it set up that because they were
59:01
the on screen couple and they they worked together and it they
59:07
had final little conversation before she dies.
59:10
And I liked that because that's story, it's something, it's
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revealed mysteries and the rest of it kind of just doesn't do
59:25
too much with the other plot points.
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I'm I'm sitting at like 3 1/2 444.
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OK, it's it's been upgraded. I mean, it's still the lowest 1
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you have given it is it is your lowest rated 1.
59:51
And I, I'm going to say again that if this had been your entry
1:00:00
point into the franchise, I think this movie stands on its
1:00:04
own and it would be maybe like a 5, maybe even a six.
1:00:10
If this is the first one you watch and you have no idea about
1:00:14
the rest of the franchise, it's a better than average movie.
1:00:17
If you know anything about the other two movies, this movie is
1:00:22
incredibly frustrating and it's just a slap in the face for the
1:00:28
whole thing. I really like Michael.
1:00:32
Or is it Michael Sheen? I want to say yes.
1:00:38
I really like Michael Sheen and Bill Nighy.
1:00:41
They're not great in this movie because the movie isn't great on
1:00:44
its own, but they are the best parts of this movie.
1:00:49
They sell it. I believe the love story between
1:00:53
Lucian and Sonia. I believe Ray's is a
1:00:57
revolutionary who wants to follow Lucian.
1:01:01
I believe Victor is a jerk. Like there are things that work
1:01:05
and I like the action. This franchise is pretty good
1:01:10
about doing action. Sometimes it's a little bit mid
1:01:13
2000s and a little bit weird to watch, but a lot of times I I
1:01:18
get caught up in it and I have a good time and I'm fine with
1:01:20
those minutes of screen time being spent.
1:01:24
But on the whole, this movie in particular kind of felt like an
1:01:29
insult. And so I have to give it a
1:01:33
three, same as the last movie. I'm at a three.
1:01:37
Like I, I've I was tempted with going down to A2, but then I
1:01:41
just kept thinking like, but the movie, if it were on its own, is
1:01:46
fine. I'm just criticizing it based on
1:01:50
the fact that it's in a franchise and I've watched the
1:01:52
other two movies. And so that's that's why I'm at
1:01:57
a three. But show average 3.5.
1:02:00
It's also the lowest of all of our movies.
1:02:05
I think that's that's fair. 5 out of 10 is is an average movie
1:02:12
and it's just had being in the franchise.
1:02:16
You're right because you ended on frustrating notes for me.
1:02:21
Lucian is successful, but then they're like, they're like
1:02:27
they're still being stamped out in the first movie.
1:02:28
Like, oh, there's only a couple left.
1:02:32
So he didn't really overthrow the vampires as much as it seems
1:02:37
in this movie. He even killed Victor.
1:02:41
In this movie couldn't. That couldn't even stay done
1:02:45
because it's a prequel. And the fact that Craven
1:02:51
delivers those last lines of dialogue about why Celine was
1:02:56
turned further cements the fact that Craven suggested that he's
1:03:03
been there the whole time. But he's not in this movie.
1:03:06
Yes, and he's the one that beats Lucian and cuts off the patch of
1:03:13
skin flesh. Like, when does that happen?
1:03:17
If where's Craven? Yeah, I until right now I had
1:03:21
forgotten that Craven kind of played a part with the whole
1:03:24
Lucian thing. Yep, and he's nowhere to be seen
1:03:27
in this. And if the actor isn't
1:03:29
available, I I'm going to say this over and over again.
1:03:32
I am pro recasting even on something as precious as Star
1:03:38
Wars. I would be fine with a total
1:03:40
saga reboot with new actors, new directors, new writers, new
1:03:47
people with new ideas trying to do it again.
1:03:50
You know, because those movies frankly are old and like
1:03:55
especially the original trilogy, sometimes it's hard to get a
1:03:58
younger audience to watch an older movie.
1:04:01
And I don't want to see a de aged Luke Skywalker.
1:04:06
I want to see a new actor in that part.
1:04:08
And I would have wanted the same with Craven.
1:04:10
If that actor is unavailable, at least give me the character
1:04:14
'cause he was here, he was supposed to be around it.
1:04:17
Sure seemed like it. Well, if we look ahead one
1:04:24
second, Underworld Awakening is next.
1:04:31
And surprise, surprise, it takes place six months after
1:04:38
evolution. Oh my gosh.
1:04:41
What I was surprised, like I hadn't really thought of where
1:04:46
they should put it, but I feel like this is like what when they
1:04:51
they tried the Australian bond and then were like, Nah, we're
1:04:54
going back to the other formula. I after so I have seen previous
1:05:03
to this podcast I had seen the 1st 2 movies and I had never
1:05:07
seen Rise of the Lichens. I thought I had, but all of it
1:05:10
was new to me. I have definitely not watched
1:05:13
Awakening or Blood Wars. Those will be totally new for
1:05:17
me. But in my head, I even said this
1:05:20
in the Discord chat, I was like, I think they just completely
1:05:24
gave up with Evolution. They were like, that movie
1:05:27
sucks, don't think about it anymore.
1:05:29
We're done with it. We're going back to the original
1:05:32
movie and that's the lore that you should think about.
1:05:35
But if they're like continuing that timeline.
1:05:38
A little bit it. Does matter?
1:05:40
I should have read the second paragraph.
1:05:42
It begins six months after that film, and then at some point it
1:05:47
jumps to 12 years later, so we'll see.
1:05:52
Oh, that's silly. OK, well that that's also funny
1:05:55
because Evolution was released six years before Awakening, so
1:06:00
they doubled the time. Maybe we're now in the future.
1:06:04
We're a sci-fi future movie. Oh, maybe.
1:06:11
All right, well, it's going to be a first watch for me.
1:06:14
It's going to be a first watch for you.
1:06:16
If you're listening at home, don't spoil it in the comments.
1:06:24
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1:06:27
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1:07:29
this franchise because if they don't care about their lore, why
1:07:33
can't I try a new closer for it? Sure, I don't know when the next
1:07:38
full moon is, I'm just underworld awakening.
1:07:44
Thank you guys so much for listening.
1:07:46
Goodbye. Can I tell you something about
1:08:02
this next movie that I'm interested in?
1:08:05
It has the largest box office return of the franchise.
1:08:12
Wow, I and I watched the first one but I didn't watch this one.
1:08:17
Yeah, apparently maybe this is like a franchise reboot, as it
1:08:24
were, because this is like this one had big deal numbers that I
1:08:28
keep looking at and I'm like what?
1:08:30
Like why? Yeah, the other ones weren't so
1:08:35
promising. I.
1:08:37
Guess who decided to put so much money into it?
1:08:41
And then after the last three of them, what audience was like,
1:08:45
yeah, let's do it again, let's watch it like they they insulted
1:08:48
me three times in a row. But I bet they're going to do it
1:08:51
right this time. Here is Kate Beckinsale again.
1:08:56
She's back for real. Maybe that?
1:08:58
Was it They were like, Kate Beckinsale is truly back.
1:09:02
So please come back to theaters. I don't know.
1:09:06
We'll see.