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Murder In Moscow: The Surviving Roommates Were Texting During The Attacks Per Sources · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. Ever
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  Speaker 1: since news broke of the murders in Moscow, there have
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  Speaker 1: been a lot of questions about the surviving roommates and
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  Speaker 1: the surviving roommates' behavior during and after this attack. And
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  Speaker 1: while I never thought that the roommates were involved or
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  Speaker 1: anything like that, There's certainly a lot of questions that
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  Speaker 1: still need to be answered about the behavior of the
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  Speaker 1: two surviving roommates. But that doesn't mean that they should
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  Speaker 1: be bullied. You can have some questions and not be
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  Speaker 1: an absolute dick about it. I know, novel idea for
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  Speaker 1: some people out there. Today's article is from Inside Edition
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  Speaker 1: and the headline, Brian Koberger Murder Trial. Surviving students were
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  Speaker 1: awake and texting while roommates were massacred. So right off
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  Speaker 1: the bat, that headline makes you say to yourself, what
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  Speaker 1: the hell does that even mean? Were these two girls
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  Speaker 1: up firing off texts to each other while this was
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  Speaker 1: all going on? And if so, why wouldn't they go
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  Speaker 1: and check on their roommates after hearing all this commotion? Now, look,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure that there's a logical answer for all of this,
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  Speaker 1: but I really don't have one. And as much as
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to give you some sort of reasoning for
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  Speaker 1: why they would have done this, maybe, I just can't
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  Speaker 1: figure it out. And their behavior during these murders and
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  Speaker 1: in the direct aftermath is something that needs to be
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  Speaker 1: explained because there's no doubt about it. There is a
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  Speaker 1: lot of gaps here and there's going to be a
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  Speaker 1: lot of questions come time for trial. The author of
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  Speaker 1: this article is Chris Spargo. A father of one victim
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  Speaker 1: learned that the two survivors allegedly had not only been
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  Speaker 1: awake while the killings had taken place, but that they
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  Speaker 1: had heard everything, reports Air Mail. The two survivors of
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  Speaker 1: the brutal University of Idaho murders were allegedly awake and
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  Speaker 1: on their phone texting as their four roommates were killed,
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  Speaker 1: according to a new report. This information allegedly comes from
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  Speaker 1: Steve Gonsalves, the father of victim Kaylee Gonsalves. He allegedly
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  Speaker 1: learned this information from an individual who served in the
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  Speaker 1: grand jury that voted to indict suspect Brian Koberger on
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  Speaker 1: four counts of murder in the deaths of Madison Mogan, 21, Gonsalves, 21,
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  Speaker 1: Zanna Kernodle, 20, and Ethan Chapin, 20. Yet Steve had
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  Speaker 1: been told that the two survivors allegedly had not only
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  Speaker 1: been awake while the killings had taken place, but that
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  Speaker 1: they had heard everything, reports Aramel. More astonishingly, his grand
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  Speaker 1: jury sources alleged that the two girls had been texting
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  Speaker 1: one another as the murderer methodically went from one room
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  Speaker 1: to the next. I have my doubts about how methodical
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  Speaker 1: it was. Like I've said before, I think this numbnuts...
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  Speaker 1: went into that room thinking that only Madison was going
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  Speaker 1: to be there. And then after Kaylee was in that room,
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  Speaker 1: it threw his plans into all kinds of chaos and
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  Speaker 1: we got the result that we ended up getting. But
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  Speaker 1: I think the initial plan, and again, just my speculation,
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  Speaker 1: but I think the initial plan was for him to
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  Speaker 1: go in there and kill Madison Mogan. That was his
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  Speaker 1: goal for whatever reason, whatever distorted ass reasoning he came
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  Speaker 1: up with in his head that that was a good idea.
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  Speaker 1: I think that was his end goal. And when that
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  Speaker 1: goal couldn't be achieved and he found Kaylee in that bed,
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  Speaker 1: things went off the rails and they went off the
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  Speaker 1: rails quickly. Now, does that explain why these girls would
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  Speaker 1: be texting each other in the middle of all of
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  Speaker 1: this carnage and chaos and not going to check on it?
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  Speaker 1: Not to me it doesn't. But I also understand that
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  Speaker 1: we don't have all the context here to give us
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  Speaker 1: a clear picture. So while it looks crazy and unanswerable,
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  Speaker 1: my guess is the investigators have went through all of
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  Speaker 1: this and they know what was going on and what
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  Speaker 1: these text messages were, what they were saying, what they
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  Speaker 1: were talking about, and all of that. And if there
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  Speaker 1: was any sort of signal that anybody else was involved...
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  Speaker 1: My hope is that the investigators wouldn't leave that part out,
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  Speaker 1: and it doesn't seem likely that they would. So, what
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  Speaker 1: I take from that is that we're not getting a
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  Speaker 1: full picture here, and we don't have all the context. However,
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  Speaker 1: like usual, I leave enough headroom there for the investigators
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  Speaker 1: to have screwed things up. Because what, that would be
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  Speaker 1: the first time it's ever happened? The article goes on
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  Speaker 1: to claim that Gonsalves found a person who could explain
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  Speaker 1: the reason for this but was stopped from contacting them
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  Speaker 1: by the FBI. The witness had originally reached out to
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  Speaker 1: the authorities through a tip line that promised to protect
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  Speaker 1: the identities of anyone volunteering information, and the Bureau was
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  Speaker 1: duty-bound to honor that commitment, reports Aramel. And the letter
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  Speaker 1: went on to make clear, with an intimidating force, the
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  Speaker 1: fact that Steve was the father of one of the
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  Speaker 1: victims gave him no dispensation from the legal consequences that
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  Speaker 1: accompanied tampering with a government witness. Yo, the government don't play.
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  Speaker 1: If you're out here tampering with a witness, they don't
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  Speaker 1: care who you are. You're going to be in a
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  Speaker 1: lot of trouble if you get caught doing that. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that Steve Gonsalves is out here tampering
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  Speaker 1: with witnesses, but that's what Hotmail has to say, so
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  Speaker 1: we'll have to see what comes of it. Inside Edition
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  Speaker 1: Digital is unable to confirm any of this information due
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  Speaker 1: to a gag order that prohibits members of law enforcement, prosecutors,
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  Speaker 1: and the families of victims from speaking publicly about the case. Well,
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  Speaker 1: the families can speak now. Remember, Judge Judge pared it back.
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  Speaker 1: Now they can't speak through the representative, who is Shannon
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  Speaker 1: Gray for the Gonsalves family. But as far as I
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  Speaker 1: understand it, the family members are able to speak about
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  Speaker 1: what happened and about their deceased relatives. The Moscow Police
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  Speaker 1: Department said from the start that six people were sleeping
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  Speaker 1: in the off-campus home on the night of the massacre. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I never bought that. Maybe sleeping at first, but I
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  Speaker 1: doubt people were sleeping through the whole entire ordeal. In
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  Speaker 1: the six weeks after the murders, however, police said that
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  Speaker 1: the two women who survived had been asleep, according to
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  Speaker 1: the authorities. This information appeared in the daily updates that
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  Speaker 1: were handed out to the public and press prior to
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  Speaker 1: the arrest of suspect Brian Kohlberger. And we've been going
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  Speaker 1: through some of those police reports and updates from the
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  Speaker 1: time when they were happening. And I think that they
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  Speaker 1: provide information a whole bunch of information. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: mean garbage information either. I'm talking directly from the police department.
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  Speaker 1: So you can go back and look at what their
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  Speaker 1: statements were and compare that to where the case is now,
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  Speaker 1: and you can get an idea of what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: And you can see the progress that was made or
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  Speaker 1: the missteps maybe that have happened along the way. So
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  Speaker 1: it's always good, at least for posterity purposes, to have
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  Speaker 1: that stuff available. That statement changed, though, on December 30th,
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  Speaker 1: when Corporal Brett Payne of the Moscow Police Department wrote
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  Speaker 1: in a probable cause affidavit seeking an arrest warrant for
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  Speaker 1: Kohlberger that one of the women who survived the November
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  Speaker 1: 13th massacre saw someone that night. DM stated she opened
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  Speaker 1: her door for the third time after she heard the
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  Speaker 1: crying and saw a figure clad in black clothing and
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  Speaker 1: a mask that covered the person's mouth and nose, walking
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  Speaker 1: towards her, says the affidavit. That, however, is a different
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  Speaker 1: account than what the NPD included in the daily reports
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  Speaker 1: it released on the investigation into the University of Idaho murders. Well,
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  Speaker 1: things could have changed. Pretty simple. And remember, the police
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  Speaker 1: are under no guidelines that says they have to tell
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  Speaker 1: us the truth. They can get up there and say
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  Speaker 1: whatever the hell they want. So, I always take it
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  Speaker 1: with a grain of salt when the police are telling
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  Speaker 1: me anything about an investigation. Of course, you're going to
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  Speaker 1: get some information, right? But they're not going to give
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  Speaker 1: you everything they have. And that's just the way it goes.
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  Speaker 1: If they did that, they wouldn't solve any cases. The
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  Speaker 1: NPD update released to the press and public on November
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  Speaker 1: 20th reads, detectives believe that on November 12th, the two
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  Speaker 1: surviving roommates had also been out in the Moscow community separately,
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  Speaker 1: but returned home by 1 a.m. on November 13th. The
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  Speaker 1: two did not wake up until later that morning. And
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  Speaker 1: we know now that that is not true. So any
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  Speaker 1: little thing that Koberger's team can dig into, they're going
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  Speaker 1: to dig into. But remember, this was all something that
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  Speaker 1: was evolving at the time. And the affidavit was just
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  Speaker 1: to show probable cause. The affidavit, obviously, isn't the be-all
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  Speaker 1: end-all of evidence that's going to be collected or presented
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  Speaker 1: against Brian Koberger. It's just the preliminary bit of evidence
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  Speaker 1: to make a judge say, all right, this is the
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  Speaker 1: guy and let me sign off on this. 10 days later,
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  Speaker 1: Payne stated in his affidavit that one of the surviving
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  Speaker 1: roommates was not only awake but possibly an eyewitness in
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  Speaker 1: the case. DM described the figure as 5'10 or taller, male,
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  Speaker 1: not very muscular but athletically built, with bushy eyebrows. The
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  Speaker 1: male walked past DM. as she stood in a frozen
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  Speaker 1: shock phase, says the probable cause affidavit, and that's all
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  Speaker 1: going to have to be explained. And guess what? The
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  Speaker 1: prosecution is going to have experts to do exactly that.
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  Speaker 1: The thing is, we just haven't heard from them yet.
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  Speaker 1: The male walked towards the back sliding glass door, DM
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  Speaker 1: locked herself in her room after seeing the male, and
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  Speaker 1: DM did not state that she recognized the male. This
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  Speaker 1: leads investigators to believe that the murderer left left the scene.
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  Speaker 1: Koberger had been scheduled to go on trial earlier this month,
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  Speaker 1: but there have been delays in the case. If convicted
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  Speaker 1: on any of the murder charges, he could face the
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  Speaker 1: death penalty. The 28-year-old, who prior to the murders had
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  Speaker 1: been working on his doctorate in criminology at Washington State University,
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  Speaker 1: told a previous public defender that he expects to be
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  Speaker 1: exonerated at trial. In May, he declined to enter a
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  Speaker 1: plea after being formally charged with four counts of murder.
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  Speaker 1: The judge in the case entered a not guilty plea
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  Speaker 1: on his behalf. Well, folks, when I told you that
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  Speaker 1: there was going to be a bunch of twists and
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  Speaker 1: turns when it comes to this case, this is the
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  Speaker 1: kind of thing that I mean. There's going to be
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  Speaker 1: a whole lot that's said leading up to this trial,
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  Speaker 1: and there's going to be a whole lot that's inferred
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  Speaker 1: leading up to this trial. But it's at that trial
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  Speaker 1: where the rubber is really going to meet the road,
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  Speaker 1: and where we're going to find out, one way or another,
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  Speaker 1: if Brian Kohlberger is the man that the government... is
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  Speaker 1: telling us that he is. If you'd like to contact me,
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  Speaker 1: you can do that at bobbycapucci at protonmail.com. That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I
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  Speaker 1: at protonmail.com. All of the information that goes with this
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