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The Late Debate | 18 February · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately.
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  Speaker 2: General, welcome late to play.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thanks for your company.
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  Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson with Caroline Marcus and Caleb Bond. Coming
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  Speaker 3: up tonight. Sydney travelers left in shock as their train
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  Speaker 3: driver stops the train and explains over the public address
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  Speaker 3: system why she just can't take them any further. Will
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  Speaker 3: play you that extraordinary announcement a little later. Plus we'll
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  Speaker 3: look at what's making news tomorrow, including how today's rate
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  Speaker 3: cut has been reported.
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  Speaker 1: And we know there's an election due. I'll tell you
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  Speaker 1: how we.
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  Speaker 3: Know, not just because there was a rate cut, but
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  Speaker 3: Anthony Albanezi is doing softball interviews about his upcoming wedding.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get to that a little later as well. But first,
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  Speaker 3: I'm no fan of former Queensland Premier Steven Miles. I'm
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  Speaker 3: happy to admit that he was a terrible leader, not
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  Speaker 3: least because he was so immature, constantly posting nonsense to
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  Speaker 3: social media, constantly playing his opponents rather than concentrating on
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he wasn't called Giggles for nothing. He was
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  Speaker 3: the child premier, so we expected when the LNP took
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  Speaker 3: government we'd get some adults in charge. And god knows
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  Speaker 3: Queenslanders deserve it, but I'm not so sure that's what
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  Speaker 3: we're getting. Stephen Miles, now, the Opposition leader, traveled to
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  Speaker 3: Townsville a few days ago to visit victims of the
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  Speaker 3: floods now. While he was there, when coming back, he
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  Speaker 3: stopped in at Quantus Club and had a glass of wine.
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  Speaker 1: Well, someone took a photo.
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  Speaker 3: And then on the plane back to Brisbane he also
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  Speaker 3: had a glass of wine and someone took a photo.
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  Speaker 3: Those photos ended up in the hands of Queensland LLNP
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  Speaker 3: Deputy Premier Jared Blay and today he tabled them in Parliament.
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  Speaker 1: Now he tabled them.
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  Speaker 3: In Parliament as proof that Stephen Miles was actually in
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  Speaker 3: the Quantus lounge having a glass of wine when he
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  Speaker 3: claimed to be tweeting photos of himself helping flood victims.
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  Speaker 3: Jared Blay told Parliament and I quote, it was enough
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  Speaker 3: that he was drinking in the lounge.
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  Speaker 1: He was on the plane.
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  Speaker 3: He's a photo on the plane having another red wine
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  Speaker 3: while he was tweeting.
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  Speaker 1: Shock horror.
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  Speaker 3: I got to tell you, I read this story in
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  Speaker 3: the paper this morning and I thought, God help Queenslanders
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  Speaker 3: if this is the answer to the labor nonsense that
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  Speaker 3: went on, the LNP are doing the same thing. See,
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  Speaker 3: you're allowed to have a glass of wine in the
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  Speaker 3: Quantus lounge. You're even allowed to have a glass of
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  Speaker 3: wine on the Quantas aircraft.
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  Speaker 1: And here's another thing that maybe the LNP might like
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  Speaker 1: to know.
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  Speaker 3: It's entirely reasonable to tweet a photo of yourself after
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  Speaker 3: the event. If Stephen Miles had tweeted photos of himself
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  Speaker 3: helping flood victims. While helping flood victims, he would have
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  Speaker 3: copped all sorts of criticism. So he took a couple
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  Speaker 3: of hours and did it over a glass of wine.
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  Speaker 1: Big deal.
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  Speaker 3: This is the very nonsense that Queenslanders got so fed
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  Speaker 3: up with they kicked Stephen Miles out of office. And
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  Speaker 3: now the LNP are going on about and before people say, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but you guys, Lord Donald Trump for his social media
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  Speaker 3: you know shenanigans and for playing the.
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump's funny. Donald Trump's got a sense of humor,
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  Speaker 1: He's got wit, He's clever.
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  Speaker 3: This is primary school behavior from the LNP.
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  Speaker 1: Deputy Premier.
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  Speaker 3: Queensland has deserve a lot better, especially with all the
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  Speaker 3: problems that state has got.
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  Speaker 1: Caroline, tell me I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 4: You're wrong, James, you're wrong.
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  Speaker 5: Look, I agree with you that I don't take any
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  Speaker 5: issue with the fact that he tweeted after the fact.
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  Speaker 5: I think that's what most people were do in that situation.
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  Speaker 5: And indeed you are also right that had he been
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  Speaker 5: live tweeting selfies with the flood victims, it would be
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  Speaker 5: far worse. However, he is still someone who is traveling
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  Speaker 5: on the taxpayer's dime. He had not one glass of wine,
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  Speaker 5: he had two, and you're right there's nothing doing illegal
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  Speaker 5: with that.
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  Speaker 4: But the optics don't look good.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if it was handled that well by
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  Speaker 5: the government in tabling it, in not having perhaps a
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  Speaker 5: little bit of humor about it, but I do think
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  Speaker 5: it speaks more to Steven Miles's poor judgment. Now, this
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  Speaker 5: isn't the first time that he's done something like this.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe he was trying to avoid the backlash he got
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  Speaker 5: for taking a private jet eleven minutes to travel from
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  Speaker 5: one Queensland city to another while he was Premier, and
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  Speaker 5: to just deliver a birthday cake.
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  Speaker 4: To one of his MPs and make a little announcement
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  Speaker 4: on the side as well.
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  Speaker 5: That probably didn't warrant a private jet for eleven minutes.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe that's why he was taking a flight with the
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  Speaker 5: rest of us plebs on a quantus plane. But you're
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  Speaker 5: still there as a representative of the people. And I
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  Speaker 5: don't think having a wine in the club lounge, having
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  Speaker 5: a wine on board is a good look, especially when
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  Speaker 5: you're there to visit flood victims.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think most people could could care less to
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  Speaker 6: be perfectly honest. In the words of the great two
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  Speaker 6: time premiership coach of the Adelaide Crows, the brilliant Malcolm.
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  Speaker 1: Light, I couldn't give a rats toss.
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  Speaker 6: Fag and I don't think anyone else does either. I mean, look,
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  Speaker 6: he actually went and visited people in flood ravage Townsville.
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  Speaker 2: He bothered to do that. If the bloke has a
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  Speaker 2: glass of wine in the lounge and a glass.
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  Speaker 5: Room three or four, it's the least worst thing he's
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  Speaker 5: ever done.
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  Speaker 6: You've got a massive rap sheet of all the things
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  Speaker 6: Stephen Miles did while he was a terrible premier and
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  Speaker 6: oh he had two glasses of wine on a plane
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  Speaker 6: when he was opposition leader. Are you tell me that
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  Speaker 6: anyone in Townsville is wanging that and going I can't
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  Speaker 6: believe the bloke he.
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  Speaker 5: Was going on a private holiday. It would be one
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  Speaker 5: thing if it was on in his downtime, but here
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  Speaker 5: being that trip would have been paid for with tax
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  Speaker 5: payers dollars. He's in the Quantus lounge getting the free
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  Speaker 5: alcohol because of his position as a politician.
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  Speaker 4: I don't I.
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  Speaker 5: Think it looks to me like he's taking the piss.
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  Speaker 5: Quite literally, he's taking.
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  Speaker 2: The He's not in the chairman's lounge.
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  Speaker 6: He's just in the quantus because of abou four hundred
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  Speaker 6: dollars a year to get into that.
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  Speaker 3: As the LNP pointed out, so as the Labor politicians
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  Speaker 3: pointed out in the Queensland Parliament. If you're going to
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  Speaker 3: start playing these games, then every LNP politician who dares
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  Speaker 3: to have a glass of wine in the Quantus lounge
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  Speaker 3: is going to have people photographing them, and then those
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  Speaker 3: photographs are going to be tabled in port.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, welcome, Welcome to modern times. Everyone has a
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  Speaker 5: camera phone, Everyone who as a politician or has a
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  Speaker 5: profile is fair.
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  Speaker 4: Game, and he is in a public place.
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  Speaker 5: I noticed that this report there was warnings that their
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  Speaker 5: private actions are no longer off limits. I'm sorry, you're
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  Speaker 5: on a plane. That is a public space. You're in
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  Speaker 5: the quantus that is a public state.
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  Speaker 3: Just to understand, is your issue with politicians having a
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  Speaker 3: glass of wine on a plane or.
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  Speaker 5: Is your issues No, it's about him going to visit
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  Speaker 5: flood victims so that he could put it on his
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  Speaker 5: Twitter account and make it look like he deeply cares
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  Speaker 5: about these people, and meanwhile he's smiling and laughing and
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  Speaker 5: drinking wine. I just don't think it's a good loss.
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  Speaker 2: So should he visited the middle He should have.
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  Speaker 5: Visited it, but I think he would have treated it
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  Speaker 5: with the seriousness and gravity that it demanded. Those people
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  Speaker 5: weren't probably chugging wine after his visit to them, They
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  Speaker 5: were cleaning up the mess and.
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  Speaker 1: Cleaning up drink.
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  Speaker 2: But this is the thing that we used to be
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  Speaker 2: a serious country, right.
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  Speaker 6: Bob Hawk at one point had the world record for
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  Speaker 6: scolling a beer for him and say he got cheered
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  Speaker 6: at the cricket a former prime minister.
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  Speaker 4: The cricket, not visiting flood victims.
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  Speaker 6: But he's having a glass of wine afterwards. Seriously, the
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  Speaker 6: drug do the same thing. Daniel Andrews, he was caught
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  Speaker 6: having a drry at the back of a party and
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  Speaker 6: that got put in the papal.
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  Speaker 2: Look at Noigan.
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  Speaker 1: Went out to a historic moment on the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 3: We began the show with a strident defense of Stephen.
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  Speaker 6: I know, look, it'll only happen once, or maybe twice
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  Speaker 6: if they tried it on again. But look, James and
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  Speaker 6: I on a unity ticket here just let you know
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  Speaker 6: understand the politicians are also human beings. I mentioned durries though,
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  Speaker 6: and a very sad development in the tobacco wars, because
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  Speaker 6: I've been talking about this for some time now, the
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  Speaker 6: fact that the tobacco excise has gone up so much
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  Speaker 6: that the illegal tobacco market has gone through the roof
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  Speaker 6: and it's now claimed the life of an innocent person.
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  Speaker 6: Police in Victoria believe the fire bombing of a house
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  Speaker 6: that Kate Tangy was inside of last month was not
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  Speaker 6: something that you know, she was an innocent victim. She
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  Speaker 6: was not connected in any way to violent crime. This
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  Speaker 6: is footage that's been released today. But they believe this
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  Speaker 6: was all to do with the illegal tobacco trade, that
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  Speaker 6: criminals were targeting someone because they were selling the wrong
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  Speaker 6: product or whatever the reason might be. She is an
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  Speaker 6: innocent victim because of a crime. A crime syndicate basically
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  Speaker 6: that the federal government created. Let's be clear, hope if
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  Speaker 6: that no, Let's be clear here, if the tobacco excise
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  Speaker 6: were not as high as it was, you wouldn't have
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  Speaker 6: these kinds of problems. Take a look at these numbers here.
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  Speaker 6: This is the tobacco excise.
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  Speaker 2: Over the last six or seven years, right. This is
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  Speaker 2: from the ATO.
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  Speaker 6: The tobacco market includes both legal and elicit tobacco for sale.
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  Speaker 6: We estimate, that's the ATO that the size of the
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  Speaker 6: tobacco market at nine three hundred and ninety two tons
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  Speaker 6: in twenty twenty two to twenty three, thirty seven percent
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  Speaker 6: lower than what it was.
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  Speaker 2: Six years ago.
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  Speaker 6: But over that period, the increase in excise rates drove
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  Speaker 6: up the amount of duty paid, and the duty paid
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  Speaker 6: reached twelve point seven billion in twenty twenty two twenty three.
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  Speaker 6: During the same period of time that you've had a
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  Speaker 6: thirty seven percent decrease in the tobacco market, you've had
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  Speaker 6: a nineteen point four percent increase in the tax taken.
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  Speaker 6: And if you look at the numbers there on the
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  Speaker 6: second line, it shows you the increase in the illegal
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  Speaker 6: tobacco market. And from that point you'll see in twenty
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  Speaker 6: twenty twenty to twenty one where it's the highest point
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  Speaker 6: for excise. Then you've got about four thousand. There is
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  Speaker 6: the illegal market that goes up significantly in the next
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  Speaker 6: couple of years while the excise starts going down. What
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  Speaker 6: has happened is that the illegal market has grown so
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  Speaker 6: much that you've had more than one hundred shots in
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  Speaker 6: Victoria fire bomb because people are willing to pay twenty
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  Speaker 6: bucks for an illegal packet of daries instead of the
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  Speaker 6: fifty bucks for the real one. And now someone has
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  Speaker 6: lost their life because of this gang war going on.
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  Speaker 6: The gang war would not exist if it weren't for
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  Speaker 6: the federal government increase in the excise so much two
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  Speaker 6: hundred and eighty two percent since twenty thirty. And in fact,
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  Speaker 6: Jim Chalmers was warned by Treasury before the last time
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  Speaker 6: he put the excise up that doing so would lead
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  Speaker 6: to an explosion in the illegal market.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what happens.
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  Speaker 3: If you're going to do what the government has done,
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  Speaker 3: then at least enforce the law. Because the other problem
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  Speaker 3: is that Victoria announced that they would have registration for
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  Speaker 3: those who were selling tobacco legally and they would have
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  Speaker 3: inspectors going around to make sure that illegal tobacco was
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  Speaker 3: not available, and the inspectors will start middle of next year.
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  Speaker 3: So the Victorian government claiming to be very concerned about
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  Speaker 3: these tobacco wars, so concerned they're going to do something
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  Speaker 3: about the middle of next year. I think that is
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  Speaker 3: a big factor as well. And the family of this
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  Speaker 3: lady who lost her life in horrible circumstances, she had
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  Speaker 3: nothing to do with these tobacco laws. They should be
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  Speaker 3: outraged at the government for saying that they want to
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  Speaker 3: do something but taking eighteen months to do anything. And
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  Speaker 3: by the way, Carolyn, imagine if all those police officers
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  Speaker 3: standing watching pro Palestinian marches every Saturday, we're actually out
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  Speaker 3: on the job, catching real criminals and dealing with crime.
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  Speaker 3: Victoria would be a much better place as well.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure those police officers would prefer to be doing
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  Speaker 5: that themselves.
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  Speaker 4: That's coming. Those are orders coming from the top.
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  Speaker 5: But Caleb, I can't believe you would try to pin
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  Speaker 5: this on the government.
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  Speaker 4: That's low.
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  Speaker 5: I guess the next thing they argue is that we
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  Speaker 5: should decriminalize hard drugs as well, because newsflash, these crime syndicates,
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  Speaker 5: these organized criminal gangs are also killing innocent people in
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  Speaker 5: their gang.
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  Speaker 4: Wolfare of course, so the hard drugs. So should we
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  Speaker 4: decriminalize hard drugs?
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  Speaker 5: That would reduce the black market, the only market for
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  Speaker 5: them in this country, and therefore people wouldn't die because
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  Speaker 5: of how They're very sorry for this person's death. But
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  Speaker 5: let us not minimize the role of violent criminal thugs
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  Speaker 5: in this and not try and blame the government.
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  Speaker 6: No, but my point is the cigarettes are a completely
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  Speaker 6: different product to cocaine, heroine, ecstasy, any other drug.
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  Speaker 2: They are illegal drugs. Cigarettes.
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  Speaker 6: Tobacco is a legal product in this country. It is
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  Speaker 6: regulated and it is taxed. The reason you have this
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  Speaker 6: level of gang crime involved in illicit tobacco now, which
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  Speaker 6: is huge. I mean, we don't talk about the illicit
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  Speaker 6: drug trade in the same way we used to. We
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  Speaker 6: now talk about the illicit tobacco trade because this has
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  Speaker 6: become such a cash cow for crime gangs. And the
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  Speaker 6: reason it's become such a cash cow for crime gangs
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  Speaker 6: and bikies, which, as you say, leads to rape and
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  Speaker 6: murder and sexual slavery and all these other things is
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  Speaker 6: because the government has recklessly increased the exercise to the
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  Speaker 6: point that people will not pay for a legal packet
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  Speaker 6: of dorries anymore. They'll go down to the convenience store
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  Speaker 6: and pay twenty dollars for a packet of darries. That
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  Speaker 6: biking is brought into the country. That wouldn't happen if
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  Speaker 6: the tax wasn't so much.
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  Speaker 5: We can I just make a counter argument to that that, yes,
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  Speaker 5: we have seen someone dying, we have seen horrific acts
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  Speaker 5: of violence because of this gang warfare. But we've also
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  Speaker 5: seen the rates of smoking come down considerably since.
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  Speaker 4: Nineteen ninety one.
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  Speaker 5: Sure, you know, half the number of daily smokers that
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  Speaker 5: were back then, and that is largely due to the fact,
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  Speaker 5: not only because of public health campaigns and education about
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  Speaker 5: the dangers of smoking, but because of these excises.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm going to argue in favor of them.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but I mean, the excise has gone out by
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  Speaker 6: two hundred and eighty two percent since twenty thirteen. The
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  Speaker 6: smoking rate hasn't gone down by two hundred and eighty
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  Speaker 6: two percent since twenty thirteen. The decrease, it has gone down,
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  Speaker 6: but it's been minimal. And of course, in the middle
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  Speaker 6: of that you've also had the increase of vaping.
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  Speaker 4: So well, there's no excise on vapor correctly, and.
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  Speaker 2: Again it's a massive illegal mark.
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  Speaker 3: This excise then helps the health budget because of course
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  Speaker 3: smoking causes so many.
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  Speaker 1: Health That is correct, exactly, argument stand that is.
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  Speaker 6: Correct, except for the fact that the excise that is
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  Speaker 6: taken on tobacco is far more than is spent on
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  Speaker 6: tobacco related illness every year. I'd have no problem if
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  Speaker 6: the excise taken was in line with the number of
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  Speaker 6: smokers there are and the cost they have on the
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  Speaker 6: health system. But as I said before, as the number
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  Speaker 6: of smokers has gone down, the text they're taking has
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  Speaker 6: gone up, and that's how you get into this big
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  Speaker 6: illegal market. If it was flat line, no problem, but
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  Speaker 6: that's why it's exploded.
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  Speaker 5: Look, let's move on to something that I think we
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  Speaker 5: can all probably agree on. The Captain Cook statue that
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  Speaker 5: was recently attacked before the Australia Day celebrations this year.
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  Speaker 5: It had red paint thrown over it, It had parts
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  Speaker 5: of the statue were cut off. It was the second
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  Speaker 5: time that this statue had been targeted. It's in Randwork
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  Speaker 5: in Eastern Sydney. Last year it was attacked as well.
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  Speaker 5: It was doused in red paint around the time of
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  Speaker 5: Australia Day as well. Now there are moves by the
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  Speaker 5: Randwick Council Liberals to boost security and put in place
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  Speaker 5: CCTV to basically guard over the statue full time in
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  Speaker 5: order to ensure that there are no future attacks. Now,
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  Speaker 5: I just think it is incredibly sad that this is
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  Speaker 5: even needed. The person who's been calling for this, Randwick
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  Speaker 5: Counselor Andrew Hay. He said, it's an attack on our
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  Speaker 5: history and culture. But more than that, it's an attack
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  Speaker 5: on and a smear of a good man who was
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  Speaker 5: a scientist and an explorer.
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  Speaker 4: And he goes on to just point out.
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  Speaker 5: That you know Captain cook with sixteen years came sixteen
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  Speaker 5: years before the colony was even formed. She wasn't a colonialist,
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  Speaker 5: he was an explorer. These people don't even get their
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  Speaker 5: history right. But isn't it just pathetic that we have
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  Speaker 5: to actually set up cameras to protect statues?
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  Speaker 2: Now?
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  Speaker 1: It is pathetic.
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  Speaker 3: But the reason it's so pathetic is because we've got
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  Speaker 3: such pathetic people in local government.
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  Speaker 1: The mayor of Randwick Green philipp At Veach.
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  Speaker 3: She said in response to the last episode of mandalism
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  Speaker 3: regarding that statue, that's her strong personal view the statue
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  Speaker 3: should be removed because it's quote a symbol and reminder
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  Speaker 3: of colonial oppression, and we wonder why it gets vandalized
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  Speaker 3: every year when the mayor gives tacit approval of she's
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  Speaker 3: against vandalism, but it would be good for the statue
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  Speaker 3: to be gone. What's amazing is this statue has been
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: vandalized two years in a row now and only now
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: are they thinking maybe we should get CCTV cameras they
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: have CCTV everything else in the city. Why not for
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: statues that are historic, that are supposed to remind us
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: of our history and be a gathering point for Australian culture.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: But of course this probably.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: Won't get through because it's only the liberal counselors who
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: are calling for it. As I said, the attitude of
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: the Green mayor is that the statue would be better gone,
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: and if she can't get counselors to agree to it,
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: well I'm not sure they'll bother putting up CCTV. It
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: would be convenient other people did the work for her.
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: Has anyone checked whether the mayor has an alibi?
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: The sounds like an activist and you're supposed to be
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: a public servant, which means safeguarding our history and those
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: cultural monuments. Not almost barracking for all.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: The naivety, James, you know, isn't that hard.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: To turn it naivety?
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: It's ideally idealistic.
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: How hard is it to turn a camera around and
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: face it at a statue, for heaven's sake, because they've
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: got they've got camera footage in the general vicinity, just
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: not pointing at the statue. I mean, you not turn
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: at forty five degrees to look at the statue. And
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: he's right, Andrew Hay about Cook. I mean, Cook is
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: a great man, in a figure in history who did
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: more to advance science and exploration at than anyone else.
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: And he was dead nine years before the first fleet
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: rocked up. He was murdered in Hawaii, for heaven's sake, So,
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: as you said, Caroline, they don't.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Understand their history. But of course, we talked.
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: Recently about the idea of having a specific offense for
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: vandalizing or attacking a place of worship, because it is
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: an attack on one's identity, it's an attack potentially on
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: one's nationality, et cetera. When someone goes after a statue
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: of Captain Cook. They're not just attacking Captain Cook, who
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: didn't colonize the country. They're attacking the entire country. They're
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: attacking the premise of Australia. So they should be treated,
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: I think with just as much heft because they're saying
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: I hate this country. I don't think this country is legitimate.
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: So if you can go around with impunity as they
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: seem to, cutting down these statues, throwing red paint on them, etc.
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: We should have tough flaws to come down on them
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: and say no, actually, this is going against your country.
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: You shouldn't I don't know, deport them, as far as
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: It's difficult to do.
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: But it should be a serious crime to vandalize what
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: is a symbol of the country. If you trampled on
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: a flag in the street, you'd be in big trouble.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: But you vandalize the statue on.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: No problem that.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: The problem is, as I said, it will continue because
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: you've got people like Fatima Payman. You've got Lydia Thorpe,
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: You've got Marine Ferruki, you've got the Mayor of Randwick.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: You've got all these politicians who quite clearly are antagonistic
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: towards our national history and little wonder activists are encouraged
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: to do things like that. Let's move on to a
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: different topic and talk about aged care because I read
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: something today that I was quite shocked to discover. Sixty
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: percent of people in aged care facilities never get a
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: visit from friends or family, which, as I'm rapidly approaching
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: that age kaylor think.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: You said it, will Taylor Bond come and.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: Visit me, but I'm in an age care facility. Well,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: there's an age care place in Peran in Melbourne which
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: have come up with a novel way of trying to
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: alleviate loneliness and isolation amongst aged care people. They have
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: come up with a companion robot. Now, this robot apparently
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: recognizes people, understands emotions we're told, and is able to
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: make friends and those in the aged care facility you
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: can see there are said to be treating the robot
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: as a grandchild. Now, if this trial is successful, the
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: intention is to put similar robots in twenty two aged
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: care facilities around Melbourne. I watched a report on one
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: of the commercial news stations and as they came back
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: to the news readers, they were laughing.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: And saying Oh, this is amazing, This is fantastic.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: I got to admit, Caroline, I felt kind of sad
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: about it. First, thing that we would accept as okay,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: that's you know, sixty percent of elderly people never get
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: a visit from family and friends, but it doesn't matter
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: because they've got a robot that they have befriended. And
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: the thought that we would assuage our guilt for failing
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: to take care of our parents and our grandparents because
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: it's okay, they've got a humanoid is a really sad thing,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: and I think an indictment on society.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Second, I would hate to see.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: This normalized because when machines start becoming friends, what are
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: we saying about ourselves that we are mere machines? And
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: I hate to break it to you, but we're not
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: mere machines. I think it was Francis Bacon who said
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: we are akin to the beasts in our body, but
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: if we're not akin to God in our spirit, we
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: are wretched and miserable creatures. Sure we're flesh and blood,
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: we're a machine, but there's a ghost in the machine
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: and that makes us very different to everything else on
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: the planet. And third, there's a danger that people might
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: come to prefer artificial relationships to real ones. Microsoft have
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: come up with AI for the purpose of romantic relationships,
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: and in China it's proving to be very popular, as
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: young people say, you know what, actual relationships are just
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: too hard, But a pre programmed bot that is programmed
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: to love me and never break up with me, I
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: would prefer that.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I think this is just wrong on all kinds of levels.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: Look, I couldn't agree with you more.
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: I was really sad to see that report, and I agree.
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: I thought Channel nine just treated it completely lightly. It
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: was sort of like an end of the bulletin fluff
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: piece about it, whereas I think really the underlying message
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: to it is how much we have let down older generations.
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: How is it that most people in nursing homes and
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: old aged care homes sixty percent are not getting visits
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: from anyone that they know, family or friends, and that
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: they have to have a robot to provide companionship.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: And this is not going to be a one off.
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: They're apparently going to roll it out to twenty two
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: facilities across Melbourne and no doubt it will go across
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: the country. And sure it looks cute, but there is
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: no replacement for human connection. I worry, James, I worry
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: we are already at that point. Everyone is glued to
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: their phone, they're on social media. It replaces real connection
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: for a lot of young people TikTok social media, and
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: they're losing real life into personal skills, and they prefer
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: to be on their phones even when they are in
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: the company of other people. So I think we've already
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: crossed that line, and it's only going.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: To get worse.
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: But I think it really speaks to our failure as
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: a culture in a way that perhaps some other cultures,
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: for example, Asian cultures look after that elderly, and we
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: just don't do that, and we don't have that sense
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: of loyalty.
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: I think this is the worst thing about it, because
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: you can say, Okay, there's a problem here. They don't
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: have people coming to visit them, so they need some
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: kind of interaction. Okay, we'll give them an AI.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Robot to do it.
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: But we've already tried this experiment with younger people, and
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: in fact, it's not as bad what we've done with
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: younger people. We've given them all mobile phones and computers
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: and whatever and said you can talk to other human
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: beings through that device, which is of course what everyone
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: now does. But look at the rates of depression and
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: anxiety and whatever that you can now in young people.
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: Their readiness to leave the house and go out and
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: actually catch up with people is not what it used
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: to be, particularly after the pandemic. There was a really
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: interesting study that was done looking at young people, as
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: in teens and early twenties and their drinking habits before
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: and after COVID, and what they found was those who
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: were heavy quote unquote drinkers before COVID reduce their drinking
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: during COVID, and that reduction in drinking continued after COVID,
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: mostly because they'd stop going out and catching up with
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: their friends post COVID.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: So this is what has happened.
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: Young people are not going out anymore. They're glued to
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: the device, and we know what that's done to their brains.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: And now we're saying, Okay.
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: They did that almost by choice, and we're going to
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: foister this upon older people in an even worse version
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: where there is no human interaction whatsoever. Sure, maybe it's
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: slightly better than having nothing going on at all, but
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: it's not a human connection. I mean a lot of
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: older people in particular will turn on the radio and
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: listen to talkback radio because it is a certain level
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: of human connection because you can hear other people's voices
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: and you can pick up the phone and call a
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: talkback line and talk to another person.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: We just we're saying, Okay, they don't have a person.
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: Coming to visit them, so we're going to make sure
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: they don't have any people coming to visit them. A
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: robot can do it instead. That's even less incentive to
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: go and visit people in a nursing home.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: When the woman who founded the company that created this
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: robot boasted to the media, people see the robot as
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: a grandchild, not as a robot, and that.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Was a boast. I just thought that was an indictment.
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: I don't blame the company though, or the people or
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: even you know, the people putting this robot. And I
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: think the problem is at a cultural level and a
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: community level though we're not looking after our older people.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: But look, let's move on to another very serious topic,
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: and that's what's happening in the Middle East. Because Benjamin Natanya,
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: who the Israeli Prime Minister, has again doubled down on
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: his commitment to US President Donald Trump's plan to turn
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: Gaza into the Riviera of the Middle East.
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: Secretary Rubio and I discuss President Trump's bold vision for Gaza,
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: for Gaza's future, how we can work together to ensure
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: that that future becomes a reality. I have no doubt
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: that working together America and Israel will overcome the challenges
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: and seize the opportunities.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: Now We've already spoken previously about the criticisms of Trump's plan.
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: You know, critics say he's ethnic cleansing by relocating Ghazan's
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: out of the region. Obviously, that's been rejected by Donald
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: Trump and Bibbi Benjamin Nettania who and they say, well
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: that they don't have much other options here because look
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: what happened when Israel did hand over Gaza to the
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: Palestinians and they removed every single is rarely out of
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: the region and let them elect their own leaders and
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: they elected Hamas. And it's just been terror attack up
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: to terror attack, up to terror attack, seventy percent.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: Of buildings are now destroyed.
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: There what left is there for people to really go
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: back to? So I would say there's there's not many alternatives.
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: If Israel wants to secure itself against the threats of
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: Hamas and like minded terror organization.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Effectively with this plan.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: That now Benjaminett Yah, who is also publicly embracing because
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: people wondered when Trump first announced it, did Benjaminette, Yeah,
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: who know this was coming?
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Did almost look a pock?
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know?
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you never know.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he now seems fully on board, and why wouldn't
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: he be, because Trump effectively through this plan makes three
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: great points. Firstly, they can't continue on the current path
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: because it's just an.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Endless cycle of violence. Second, here's a plan.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: If you've got a better one, give it up. But
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: so far, no crickets from the Arab nations. Trump has
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: said that the Egyptians and the Jordanians should take these
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: two million Palestinians, but Marco Rubio said in that press
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: conference that America is very happy to hear from the
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Egyptians all the Jordanians if they have a different solution.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: So they're really putting the ball in the court of
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: surrounding nations. You don't like America's plan, that's fine. Criticize
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: it all you want, but don't criticize it unless you've
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: got an alternative, and just doing more of the same
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: is not an alternative, but the really smart thing Donald
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Trump has done. And why I think benjaminette Yaw who
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: likes this plan, is because they're no longer talking about
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: a two state solution. They're talking about anything other than
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: a two state solution, and a two state solution, in
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: my view, won't work because those who Israel are supposed
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: to be partnering with the peace are publicly committed to
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Israel's destruction. That's not a two state solution. It's two
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: states only for as long as it takes for one
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: to completely obliterate the other, as they've said multiple times
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: they will do.
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: I still don't think it's ever going to happen, though,
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: I just don't understand the mechanics of making it happen.
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: Because on paper it sounds great and there's no reason
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: that you wouldn't say, well, yeah, particularly if you're Israel,
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: why wouldn't we do this? But I don't know how
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: it's actually going to happen. How do you get all
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: of those people out there, how does the US take
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: controller ownership of the land in order to rebuild it,
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: and how do we hope that the Palestinian people are
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: never going to try and come back and take it back.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: I just don't understand how it's going to work.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Well, the Egyptians have just announced a counterplan. They're still
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: developing it, but egypt are planning to rebuild Gaza. They
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: say that Gaza must be governed by Palestinians, but not
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: Hamas and not the Palestinian authority, which begs the question
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: who's left. And also it will only happen if it's
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: guaranteed that it becomes a state.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: And finally, I thought this was the clincher in this deal.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: That is the reason why Israel would be crazy to
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: ever agree to it. Israel have to promise that they
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: will not attack this new Gaza for a minimum of
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: ten years. Could you imagine Israel making a promise like
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: that based on what they have seen over the last sillies,
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: if you.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: Haven't attacked them unprompted, It's been.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Correct, promote each time, correct by.
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: The Palestinians, by other Arab states. Every time Israel's gone
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: to war, every single time it's been in defense of
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: an attack from outside. You know, look, the situation is
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: terrible right now. Israel is waiting for the bodies of
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: four of the.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: Hostages to be released.
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: Apparently, her master will announce on Thursday the names of
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: the four hostages whose bodies it will return this week,
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: and then another three. Another three hostages who are alive
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: are meant to be returned on the weekend.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: And all this in exchange for.
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: Hundreds of Palestinian prisoners, female prisoners, as well as every
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: single prisoner under the age of nineteen who was arrested
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: during the October seven massacre. I mean, Israel has paid
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: a huge price to try and keep its people safe,
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: to try and get its hostages back, and to ask
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: it to continue to live next to a genocidal neighbor
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: who wants its utter destruction, as you point out, as
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: completely unreasonable.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: It's now five.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Hundred and one days since the October seven attacks, with
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: many of those hostages still in captivity, and since this
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: latest ceasefire, Israel have received back nineteen hostages in exchange
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: for releasing about one thousand Palestinian prisoners, most of whom
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: were in prison because they had committed terror ax Marco
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Rubio was at that press conference.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Here's some of what he had to say. We don't
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: have that grab.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Marco Rubio, though, of course, was very supportive of Benjamin
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: eett Yau and boasting that Israel have never had a
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: better friend than the administration. Just before we move on,
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: just quickly, because I know you wanted to talk about this, Caroline,
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: seven point thirty did a program talking about what's happening
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: with anti Semitism and the way it's really affecting people
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: in this country.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: I just have to listen to a little bit of that.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: We'll talk about it.
• 33:16
  Speaker 8: The kid said he wished Natis had killed my parents
• 33:19
  Speaker 8: and grandparents, they would be born. And then the swastika
• 33:22
  Speaker 8: drawings in my notebook, it was a photo of me
• 33:26
  Speaker 8: in year four and it said gasenhailer, referring to the Holocaust.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: Carolyn, just watching that program was heartbreaking, seeing the way
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: it's affecting even young children in this country who should
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: never have to go through that sort of harassment.
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: Look, it is heartbreaking, and I'm glad that it was
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: covered by the broad public broadcaster. Finally, I don't think
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: they've really touched this on this issue until now, and
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: we have seen a horrendous increase in the rates of
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: anti Semitism in this country. As we have all talked
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: about at nauseum on here. Why did it take so
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: long for the ABC to wake up to this? I'm
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: glad they have, but it shouldn't have taken this long.
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: And sadly, stories like this year student Nicola Bloomberg are
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: all too common, and I've exposed many of them here
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: on Sky News. In fact, I exposed her story without
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: identifying her last year when I spoke in August about
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: these incidents at two public schools on Sydney's North Shore,
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: where swastikas were carved into trees, placed into the classrooms
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: in bathrooms. There's the picture of the young girl with
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: gas in haler that was being circulated online, people saying
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: they're going to students saying they're going to dress up
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: as Hitler for Halloween, and the schools did very little
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: to address this. This has been a problem for a
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: long time in our education system. A lot of the
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: focus has been on university campuses where it has been herrende,
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: but it's also happening in schools public and private, to
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: our great shame. So I'm glad the Public broadcast has
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: woken up to it.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: But what took you so long ago?
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: This is proper Johnny cum lately stuff. But what did
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: you say?
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: Five hundred and one day day October seventh, So this
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: was broadcast last so five hundred days. It took seven
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: point thirty to wake up to this. I mean, come on,
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: We've been talking about it here for the entirety of
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: that time. It's been discussed in much of the other
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: mainstream media for the entirety of that time, and it
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: takes all that time for the abced.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: A wake up to please give me it break.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: And just before we move on, we've got to mention
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: Sky News is hosting a summit on anti Semitism this Thursday.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Caroline.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: You're moderating one of the panels on how it is
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: speaking Josh Friedenberg. Sherry Markson of course is a big
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: part of that. It'll be a very important event. Well,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: people can watch that on Sky News.
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: They can watch it on Sky We'll have a live
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: coverage on our election channel as well as coverage throughout
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: the evening on Sky News as well.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: And we're hoping that we get some.
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: Actual tangible outcomes to address this issue. It's not going
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: to be just another talk fast. We're really going to
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: be pushing politicians and experts on how we can actually
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: solve this crisis.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Very quickly, Caleb, Tom Hanks, what is he up to?
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Well, is up to what the rest of the American
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: left is up to all.
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: The time, apparently, which is not coming to terms with
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: the fact that they lost the election because the American
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: people have had enough of them. So you know, you'd
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: think after all that time, you know, denigrating Trump voters
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: and carrying on about the basket deplorables and all this
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: sort of stuff, then we're going, okay today that doesn't
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: work as a strategy anymore. The message apparently didn't get
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: through to Tom Hanks, who did this quote unquote skit
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: on Saturday Night Live.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Take a look.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you. I'm speaking the church.
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: Can I say something, If more folks weren't too choke,
• 37:00
  Speaker 7: we wouldn't be in this mess we're in now.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: You know what?
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: I agree with what you doing. I'd like to shake
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: your hand, sir. Here we go.
• 37:07
  Speaker 7: No, no, it just a handshet.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: You're welcome to black All right, Well, thank you, my man.
• 37:15
  Speaker 7: But brother, maybe I'll start a show for you to
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: come on and we'll call.
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: It what Jeopardy.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: We don't need it, we don't need it.
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: It wasn't even funny, I mean for ever, and saying
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: if this is the best they can pull out to
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: try and denegrate Trump voters, who happened to be the
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: majority of electors in America, then they got a lot
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: of work to do.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: The progressive left in the US, I've learned nothing. We're
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: going to go to a break. When we come back,
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: we'll look at what's making news in tomorrow's papers that's
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: coming up with just a month.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Welcome back.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: Well, of course, the big news today was the RBA
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: cutting interest rates and Caroline I really like the headline
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: in Tomorrow's Australian.
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: The one cut wonder this is why they pay the
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: big bucks the backbenchers now they have Obviously, like a
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: lot of newspapers, it provided a full analysis of today's
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: rate cut decision, and the Australian is saying that Anthony
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: Albanese now has a trigger for canceling next month's budget
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: and calling an April election. After the Reserve Bank delivered
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: its first very small interest rate cut in nearly five years,
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: but households borrowers are still being warned against expecting further
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: relief in the short term, at least before the election
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: actually happens amid continuing uncertainty over the global economy, and
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: I noticed that Simon Benson's also written a column that
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: Albanize shouldn't bank on getting any other sort of pre
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: election boost, Which would, I guess, suggest that the time
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: is now if he's going to call an election and
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: hope for a little bit of goodwill among Australians. Whether
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: or not we can argue this is enough, the time
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: will be now, and indeed many people are saying he
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: will call it by next weekend.
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think this will give you much
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: of a boost at all, but it's not going to
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: get any better, So why would you wait around?
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Look, because there's two arguments, and this is when we're
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: talking about an early election.
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: I thought, as soon as there was an interest rate rise,
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: and I assumed there'd be one before now, you just
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: go straight to an early election.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: So yeah, rise, heck god, I don't want an interest
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: rate rise, thank you. My mortgage needed to go down.
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: But if there was a cut, you go to an
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: early election like that, and of course it's come far
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: too late for that to happen.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: But the argument.
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: Against that was, well, why would I not try to
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: govern for as long as possible because I'm potentially giving
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: up time that I have to actually do things that
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: I want to do to the country. But that argument's
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: gone out the window now. It ain't going to get
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: any better. Just go for it like the quicker. We
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: can get this pain over and done with the better.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: And of course having to bring down a budget in March,
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: which we'll have deficits as far as the eye can see,
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: is not going to be any assistance to Albanezi either.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: If you've got half a million dollar mortgage, this interest
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: rate drop gets you about twenty bucks a week extra.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Sof the urbanize is expecting people are going to say
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: all is forgiven because of this interest rate drop, I
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: think he's going to be very disising.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I tend to agree with you.
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: The other really interesting story in the paper tomorrow is
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: an exclusive in The Australian. That is is an exclusive
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: by Alexi Dimitriati. He's got a piece about his Bookteria
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: activist who's tied to a prominent Muslim group that gets
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: a lot of taxpayer funding. Now he's revealed that this
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: leading Muslim organization, United Muslims of Australia actually enlisted this
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: prominent extremist activist. His Bookteria is not banned here, but
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: it's banned in several countries around the world, including Arab
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: countries including Indonesia for being too extremist. And this guy
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: was hosting five years worth of youth focused workshops and
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: prayer services while this organization received hundreds of thousands of
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: dollars in federal government funding.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: So I think that this has got to raise a
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: lot of.
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: Questions again about where taxpayer money is going to and
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: funding the sort of extremism.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: And the irony is this taxpayer money was given to
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: this organization. Can you believe it to help build social cohesion?
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: And now we find out some of the people helping
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: with that social cohesion are associated with groups that are
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: listed as a terrorist organization in the UK and banned
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: even around the Arab world. Every time the government talks
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: about the importance of social cohesion, just remember these are
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: some of the people the government are giving our money
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: to to create this so called social cohesion.
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: Of course, and you talk Caroline about our taxpayer dollars
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: funding this extremism.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: But the question we have.
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: To ask is how close is the relationship between the
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: extremism and these mainstream organizations. And now we see very
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: because this bloke has been described on an Islamic podcast,
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: apparently popular Islamic podcast, as one of the communities leading
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: youth education in the Islamic community, and he was lauded
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: for his quote unquote great work through a range of organizations,
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: including the United Muslims of Australia. So large supposedly mainstream
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: organizations seem to have very cozy relationships we quote unquote
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: extremist organizations. I wonder where the line is.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: This is a game as old as you can imagine.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: It's called good Cop, Bad Cop.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: And that's what they play constantly, and we fund it
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: and then we pay for it with problems in our
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: streets and in our schools and in our health system.
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: And speaking of the health care system, I mean this
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: all follows the fact that there were mainstream, mainstream Islamic
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: groups that signed co signed a letter alongside members of
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: his Bookterier and other extremists and hate preachers supporting those
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: two nurses who came out saying that they would kill
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: and had killed Israeli patients.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Well, we're talking about whether or not there'll be an
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: election called the next few days, and maybe there will be,
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: because the front page of Tomorrow's Daily Telegraph has got
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: a lovely photo of Anthony Albanese and his partner Jody Hayden.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: They are, of course getting ready for quote electing an
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: intimate wedding, planning our nuptials outdoors in spring with Toto
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: that's the promnisterial dog and our family. Now Women's Weekly
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: have had an exclusive sit down interview with Elbow and
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: Jody Hayden. Most of the interview I read a bit
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: of it before we came on air.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Is well, yeah it was.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: It was a rather long read and it did hurt,
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: but it was getting to know Jody Hayden, sort of
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: profiling her and introducing her a bit more to the country.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: And I think once we start seeing this sort of
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: stuff on the front pages, you just know any moment
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: now there have been an election, we've got a rate cut,
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: and we've got an upcoming wedding, perfect conditions for an election.
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: And look at the color work as well as we
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: can get that front page back with the color work
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: they've done on Elbow's trout, I mean, you can't tell
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: me he's actually rocking around in strides that they're really
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: that blue.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: That's some great work there from the Women's Weekly.
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: And far be it from me to defend Julia Gillard.
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: But remember Julia Guillard. There are all these questions about, oh,
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: you know, she's an unmarried woman and she's just got
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: a domestic partner, etc. Have we heard the same business
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: about Anthony Albania or the fact that he split up
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: with his wife and then he got a new girlfriend
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: and this has all happened while he's been in the
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: launch A little bit curious, Hey, let's go to the
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: Townsville bulletin for a test tomorrow. It was fun. Fourteen
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: year old faces magistrate. A fourteen year old Townsville girl
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: with a ten page criminal history, simply shook her head
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: when asked if she heard about Queensland Sorry's new adult
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: crime adult time laws. It goes on to say that
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: when she was questioned by police over vandalizing a local business,
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: she reportedly said, I did it because I was fun. Now,
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: she pleaded guilty to twenty three charges in the Children Court,
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: nineteen of them breaching bail, one count each of unlawful
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: use of a motor vehicle, wilful damage receiving tainted property
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: and public nuisance. I mean, this is what we are
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: dealing with here, kids who are asked why did you
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: do it? I thought it was just a bit of fun.
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: That is where the crime crisis is at in Gouinsale.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: And can you hold it against the fourteen year old
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: kids saying but it's just fun to act up when
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: you've been able to breach bail nineteen?
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: How is that even impossible?
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: Run by authorities who have continually turned the blind eye.
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: Well, finally, the Advertiser's got a front page story about
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: how former Federal Liberal leader Alexander Downer has declared that
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: South Australia, Caleb Bond's home state should build multiple nuclear
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: power plants to help the state become a.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: Battery for us here over on the Eastern States.
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: He said it's the perfect location to store nuclear waste,
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: both from local plants.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: Right. I don't know what he's trying to say there about.
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: How we tried to get a nuclear waiste dump in
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: Kimber in South Australia and have got knocked over because
• 46:08
  Speaker 6: the local Aboriginal population.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Said they didn't like it. It was ridiculous. But he's right, we've.
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: Got elon Musk's battery in South Australia.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: That's a load of crap. Let's have a real.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: One South Australia waste what sort of.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Mud hope for?
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: That's better than that, say the Sydney train driver who
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: just couldn't go on anymore.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: We'll play that announcement for you in a second.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Well, last night, after the late debate calib you and
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: I both caught trains home. Didn't experience anything like commuters
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: on their way to Penrith experience.
• 46:40
  Speaker 6: No mercifully, we took the Metro, which you see is
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: a driverless train, even though the union they negotiated that
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: it needed to have drivers on it. I don't know
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: what exactly they do, but the trains that actually need
• 46:51
  Speaker 6: to be driven by drivers in Sydney have had lots
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: of troubles with strikes recently, including this woman train driver
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: who says I can drive because I need to eat
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: and I've been on this train for nearly six and
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: a half hours. I'm entitled to some food. Yeah, I'm
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: waiting for someone to come and take the train off
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: me so they can take you to the.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Riff Meat because I need some food.
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry if that's an issue.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: But if I pass out on.
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: The train or the train's moving currently, that doesn't look
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: good on paper either. And then I open the doors war.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: So once again, this train I'll be moving once I
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: get a new.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Gun to take good of me.
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: I mean, please, So she not heard of taking a
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: lunch box to work.
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: She's hungry. Give her a break. It's hard being a
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: hungry woman.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: It's a little hunger strike before we go. There's a
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: cyclone forming off the coast of Queensland, and there's a
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: bit of debate as to how to name it. The
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: Bureau of Meteorology have a predetermined list of names in
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: alphabetical order.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: They switch from male to female.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: But get this, the next cyclone is due to be
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: called cyclone Anthony. But of course, with an election coming up,
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: they don't want to name the cyclone after Elbow because
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: not even a cyclone wants to be associated with him,
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: So instead it'll be cyclone Alfred. But I reckon cyclone
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: Anthony works. I mean, it arrives suddenly, it stays for
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: a short period, causes up the devastation, and then just
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: gets up and leaves with millions of dollars of damage done.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Or it could be one of those cyclones where they
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: don't know is it going to go each or is
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: it going to go west.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: It's an each way.
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: Cyclone, very good bit like a panda, each shoots and leaves.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: But I mean, why should we give him extra credit?
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Say oh, well, we can't name it because you're the
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: prime minister. Do you reckon?
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: They say, we couldn't have bloody cyclone, Scott, could we?
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: I think that is actually their policy.
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: Your rain on your parade, They don't cyclone.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: That's it from us to stick around coming up because
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: they read a penny show good night