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Episode Two Hundred Thirteen: Horseshit · The Death Of Journalism

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to episode two hundred and thirteen of the Death
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  Speaker 1: of Journalism podcast. My name is John Zigler. I'm your
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  Speaker 1: host in today's show. The reaction to Joe Biden's deceitful
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  Speaker 1: pardon of his son Hunter.
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  Speaker 2: The news media reloads in.
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  Speaker 1: Their attacks on Defense Secretary nominee Pete Hegseth, but.
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  Speaker 2: They may have gone too far.
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  Speaker 1: A tackling controversy explodes in the National Football League and
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  Speaker 1: in the aftermath of a new Netflix documentary, a deep
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  Speaker 1: dive into the John Benet Ramsey murder case. Well, as expected,
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  Speaker 1: most of this week, at least the first half of it,
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  Speaker 1: has been devoted in the news media to evaluating the shocking,
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  Speaker 1: not shocking pardon by President Biden of his son Hunter.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to go through all of the clips
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  Speaker 1: of liberal insanity and rationalization in their response, because it
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  Speaker 1: was all so predictable. I think the only thing that
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  Speaker 1: was remotely interesting about those that tried to justify it
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  Speaker 1: was that there was some attempt to claim that Biden
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  Speaker 1: had changed his mind and that he had only decided
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  Speaker 1: this just over Thanksgiving weekend, which is frankly just so
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  Speaker 1: ridiculous and so absurd, mostly because Obviously there was no
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  Speaker 1: new information, nothing had changed. In order to change your mind,
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  Speaker 1: circumstances have to change, or you have to get new information.
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  Speaker 1: And there's no evidence or logic that that actually happened. Now,
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  Speaker 1: some very delusional Democrats and liberals have tried to rationalize, well,
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  Speaker 1: once Trump won, that changed the equation. Well, yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: did change the equation because he knew Harris wasn't going
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  Speaker 1: to be taking over and he had to act and
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  Speaker 1: act to the election.
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  Speaker 2: There was no more to lose.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing to lose by exposing yourself as a liar
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  Speaker 1: and pardoning yourself after you said multiple times that you
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  Speaker 1: would never do so and that you would respect the.
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  Speaker 3: Rule of law.
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  Speaker 1: But in the minds of many Kooki liberals, they think, well,
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  Speaker 1: Trump's gonna put everybody in prison, He's going to have
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  Speaker 1: firing squads. I mean that's literally one CNN commentator reference that,
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  Speaker 1: and so therefore you have to do everything you can
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  Speaker 1: to protect your son. This is just pure rationalization and
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  Speaker 1: its absurdity, And frankly, it's not even worth getting into
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  Speaker 1: because there's a lot of things I'd rather talk about,
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  Speaker 1: But I do want to play two clips of the
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  Speaker 1: response to the pardon because they come from liberals, But
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  Speaker 1: liberals who seem to at least in their public comments,
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  Speaker 1: have had the scales lifted from their eyes, which I
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  Speaker 1: think is the right way to interpret what happened here.
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  Speaker 1: Our last episode of this podcast reference Kaiser. Sosee the
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  Speaker 1: character played by Kevin Spacey in the movie The Usual Sons,
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  Speaker 1: And that's a metaphor that I made for what you
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  Speaker 1: could use to describe Joe Biden in this situation. You know,
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  Speaker 1: both characters were seen as physically crippled and harmless and
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  Speaker 1: not somebody who would be a threat. And then at
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  Speaker 1: the very very end of the movie, everything flips and
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  Speaker 1: they reveal themselves to actually be.
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  Speaker 2: The bad guy.
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  Speaker 1: And I think at least two people in the liberal
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  Speaker 1: elite media have kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Figured that out.
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  Speaker 1: The first is comedian John Stewart, and he did a
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  Speaker 1: rather funny and I thought dead on commentary about this
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  Speaker 1: whole situation on The Daily Show. Now, part of this
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  Speaker 1: isn't going to transfer to audio because you kind of
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  Speaker 1: got to see it and see his reaction to fully
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  Speaker 1: appreciate it. But I think you'll be able to imagine
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  Speaker 1: what's happening, and if you can't go find it for yourself.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty easy to find. But here's John Stuart setting
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  Speaker 2: this up.
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  Speaker 1: From the standpoint of going into the transition, Democrats had
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  Speaker 1: the moral high ground, right, Joe Biden is the guy
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  Speaker 1: who is standing up for the rule of law, democracy, honesty,
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  Speaker 1: and you know Trump's the bad guy. And now Democrats
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  Speaker 1: at least have the moral high ground, at least up
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  Speaker 1: until Joe Biden broke his word and pardon his son.
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  Speaker 1: And here's how John Stewart evaluated that set of circumstances.
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  Speaker 2: Faith in the rule of law.
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  Speaker 4: Finally, Democrats have a moral perch from which they can
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  Speaker 4: judge without shame, hypocrisy, or nuance.
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  Speaker 5: Right the news, President Biden has issued a pardon for
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  Speaker 5: his son Hunter Biden.
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  Speaker 1: Mother, We were so.
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  Speaker 4: But you know it, get fine, it's good, it's right,
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  Speaker 4: It's just right.
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  Speaker 2: An eighty two year old man doesn't.
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  Speaker 4: Want to spend the rest of his life visiting his
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  Speaker 4: son in prison. But Pabas, you can't a wait with
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  Speaker 4: this shit all the time. I'm sure the pardon is
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  Speaker 4: a narrowly written, precisely drawn farewell note of compassion for
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  Speaker 4: a loved one.
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  Speaker 6: The pardon sweeping covering offenses that Hunter Biden quote has
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  Speaker 6: committed or may have committed or taken part in over
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  Speaker 6: the past eleven years.
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  Speaker 4: Eleven years is a very specific and not rounded amount
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  Speaker 4: of time. So Hunter, I'll give you a pardon a
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  Speaker 4: few years, five years to years.
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  Speaker 3: It needs to be eleven.
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  Speaker 4: And if you would be so kind, make sure this
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  Speaker 4: upcoming New Year's Eve is also covered.
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  Speaker 3: Shit's going to get Christy.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't know pardons could come for crimes you may
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  Speaker 4: have committed us. I'm surprised Biden didn't include the phrase
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  Speaker 4: on Earth one or any of the Earth's in the multiverse.
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  Speaker 1: Now, that was pretty funny and pretty dead on, and
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  Speaker 1: even went to the point of really making.
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  Speaker 2: Almost the Kaiser.
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  Speaker 1: So's an argument that the reason why the pardon was
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  Speaker 1: so expansive was that Biden maybe trying to protect his
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  Speaker 1: own malfeasons, something that was basically forbidden in the liberal
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  Speaker 1: elite media to even be discussed prior to the Hunter
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  Speaker 1: Biden pardon.
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  Speaker 2: But if Stuart wasn't alone in this.
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  Speaker 1: There was an interesting moment on a podcast hosted by
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  Speaker 1: a former CNN commentator, Chris Siliza, and he.
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  Speaker 2: Has on regularly.
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  Speaker 1: Chuck Todd, the former host, to Meet the Press on NBC.
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  Speaker 1: And this is also, I think similar to the Kaiser
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  Speaker 1: so say theory of Joe Biden, because here Chuck Todd
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  Speaker 1: goes off again a liberal member of the elite media,
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  Speaker 1: member of the club for a very long time, and
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  Speaker 1: he makes the argument that, well, now that you can
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  Speaker 1: evaluate Joe Biden and the Biden family through the prism
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  Speaker 1: of this pardon, we now have to go back to
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  Speaker 1: how and why Biden even decided to run for president
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, and that based upon the allegations against
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  Speaker 1: Hunter and the transcripts from Hunter's trial, that decision was,
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  Speaker 1: in the words of Chuck Todd, extremely selfish and a
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  Speaker 1: detriment in retrospect to the country, which is exactly the
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  Speaker 1: opposite narrative that the media has been spinning about Joe
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  Speaker 1: Biden always. You know, he stood up for the country
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  Speaker 1: and democracy and truth and honesty and all that bullshit.
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  Speaker 2: Well, now Chuck Todd is off that bandwagon.
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  Speaker 1: And this evaluation of the evidence I thought was quite interesting.
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  Speaker 7: I followed the Hunter Biden trail very closely. I read
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  Speaker 7: every transcript, all the testimony, because that's what you can
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  Speaker 7: all that was made public, and there is you want to,
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  Speaker 7: you want to read, you want to you want to
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  Speaker 7: get angry, just as a as as somebody in just
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  Speaker 7: all these mixed emotions. You read the Halle Biden transcript,
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  Speaker 7: and that's both widow yes and and essentially he turned
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  Speaker 7: her into a crack addict. And this was all happening
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  Speaker 7: in twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, and Joe and Joe Biden
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  Speaker 7: were so concerned learned about their family that they decided
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  Speaker 7: to run for president.
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  Speaker 2: YEP.
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  Speaker 7: I just so when you talk about the word selfish,
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  Speaker 7: it's almost like the word doesn't. I mean, their decision
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  Speaker 7: to run for president put the entire Democratic Party in
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  Speaker 7: the United States of America in the position that it's
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  Speaker 7: in now.
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  Speaker 1: So at least in some circles of the liberal elite media,
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  Speaker 1: people are getting it. They're starting to realize, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 1: hold on, did we get sold to Bill.
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  Speaker 2: Of Goods here?
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  Speaker 1: Did we get duped by who Joe Biden was? I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what, if any, the real long term impact
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  Speaker 1: of this is going to be other than what I
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  Speaker 1: said in the last episode of the podcast, which.
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  Speaker 2: Is this is a huge boost to Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 1: John Stewart said that, and I completely agree with that
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  Speaker 1: that now Trump can do almost anything he wants, especially
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  Speaker 1: in the realm of pardons, because the other side has
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  Speaker 1: completely and totally last any semblance of the moral high ground.
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  Speaker 1: And I do think that the country has lost here.
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  Speaker 1: This is gonna be a race to the bottom. This
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  Speaker 1: is we're in a downward cycle. We're just gonna keep
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  Speaker 1: one not upping each other, one downing each other. Really
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  Speaker 1: in this race to the bottom, when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: having no standards of ethics, principles, behavior, anything goes.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever you can get away with, you're gonna do.
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  Speaker 1: And at one point, you know, not that long ago,
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  Speaker 1: thought this country was.
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  Speaker 2: Better than that.
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  Speaker 1: But if we ever were, we certainly are no longer.
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  Speaker 1: And that's that's unfortunate. Now moving on to the Pete
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  Speaker 1: Hegstadt situation, because there's some very very interesting things going
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  Speaker 1: on there with regard to the media coverage of the
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  Speaker 1: nominee to be the next Defense secretary. At least he
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  Speaker 1: is currently the nominee as I tape this on Wednesday morning.
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  Speaker 1: I think he'll still be the nominee by the time
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  Speaker 1: you hear this on Thursday or after that. But here's
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  Speaker 1: what's happened in the last couple of days regarding Pete Hegstath,
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  Speaker 1: we talked extensively about the sex abuse or rape allegations
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  Speaker 1: against him, a little bit about the fact that alcohol
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  Speaker 1: was involved in some of those allegations, specifically the rape
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  Speaker 1: allegation from two thousand and seventeen, and I referenced for
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  Speaker 1: point of context, I referenced that George Herbert Walker Bush,
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  Speaker 1: his first Defense Secretary nominee, was a guy in the
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  Speaker 1: named of John Tower, who was a former US Senator
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  Speaker 1: Republican who did not get confirmed by the US Senate
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty nine, which was highly unusual.
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  Speaker 2: It was highly unusual to not.
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  Speaker 1: Get confirmed, but especially when you're a former member of
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  Speaker 1: the Senate. These are your old buddies, and the reason
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  Speaker 1: behind that was his potential abuse of alcohol and his
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  Speaker 1: tendency to womanize. Remarkably similar to what's going on with
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  Speaker 1: Pete Hegestat, although based upon my memory and my investigation
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  Speaker 1: into it, the allegations against Tower were far less specific
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  Speaker 1: than what currently exists against Hegstad. But we're living in
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  Speaker 1: a different world than we did in nineteen eighty nine,
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  Speaker 1: especially with Trump just having been elected president again. But
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  Speaker 1: in that context, the media attacking Hextat. I think is
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  Speaker 1: even a little bit more interesting, and the result of
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  Speaker 1: this will be more fascinating to see just how much
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  Speaker 1: things have changed since nineteen eighty nine. But since we
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  Speaker 1: last spoke, the New Yorker put out a story. Although
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  Speaker 1: they might have put this out before the last episode,
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  Speaker 1: I may have been negligent not mentioning this.
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  Speaker 2: But the New.
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  Speaker 1: Yorker acquired a whistleblower report on Peterexstet's tenure as the
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  Speaker 1: president of Concerned Veterans for America from twenty thirteen until
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  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, which describes him as being repeatedly intoxicated while
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  Speaker 1: acting in his official capacity, to the point of needing
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  Speaker 1: to be carried out of the organization's events. Now, this
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  Speaker 1: report was immediately absolutely criticized and mocked and destroyed, although
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  Speaker 1: not in great specifics by Team Hegstat. I had no
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  Speaker 1: problem believing Team heggstath on that because the writer of
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  Speaker 1: this New Yorker story is Jane Mayer, and Jane Mayer
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  Speaker 1: has now become a caricature.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, she is somebody who.
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  Speaker 1: Comes in like a liberal cavalry at any and all
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  Speaker 1: times whenever they need somebody to do a hit job
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  Speaker 1: on a Republican. Most infamously, she teamed with Ronan Farroh
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  Speaker 1: to do this against Brett Kavanaugh during his Supreme Court
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  Speaker 1: nomination hearings. And I've talked about that Ronan Pharaoh Jane
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  Speaker 1: Mayer piece before. This is what I refer to as
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  Speaker 1: the Yale Urban legend, and Jane Mayre and I have
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  Speaker 1: had extensive interaction over the years because she's been wrong
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  Speaker 1: about a lot of stories, but I think she was
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  Speaker 1: most wrong about that one involving Brett Kavanaugh. So the
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  Speaker 1: fact that she's behind the New Yorker report, at least
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  Speaker 1: in my mind, automatically automatically caused it to be seen
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  Speaker 1: through a very cynical eye. I mean, I would have
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  Speaker 1: to see really strong evidence to believe anything that Jane
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  Speaker 1: Mayer wrote, especially in this kind of a situation where
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  Speaker 1: you have a Republican nominee in trouble and now the
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  Speaker 1: blood is in the water, the media sees it as
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  Speaker 1: their moral obligation.
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  Speaker 2: To try to take him out. So I did not
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  Speaker 2: believe that the Jane Mayer.
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  Speaker 1: Story, which maybe is why I didn't mention the last
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  Speaker 1: episode of the podcast that the Jane Mayer story was
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  Speaker 1: gonna leave a mark.
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  Speaker 2: I did not think that was going to take hegstath out.
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  Speaker 1: But then yesterday, as I'm taking this on Wednesday morning,
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  Speaker 1: on Tuesday of this week, NBC came out with an
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  Speaker 1: absolutely bizarre story. And when I say bizarre, I really
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  Speaker 1: mean it. I mean this is so strange on so
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  Speaker 1: many different levels. The basics of the story is that
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  Speaker 1: they have ten, they claim ten unnamed anonymous sources who
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  Speaker 1: either have worked for Fox News Channel seven of them
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  Speaker 1: of them were former Fox News Channel employees, three allegedly
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  Speaker 1: were current Fox News employees. Right there, you've got a
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  Speaker 1: very interesting situation where one news media outlet is allegedly
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  Speaker 1: using anonymous sources from another major news outlet, a competing
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  Speaker 1: news outlet both you know, economically as well as full
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  Speaker 1: of soophically in Fox News Channel, and that those ten
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  Speaker 1: anonymous sources aren't claiming that Pete Hegg's death regularly regularly
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  Speaker 1: went on the air at Fox News Channel effectively intoxicated,
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  Speaker 1: and that the evidence of this was overwhelming the alcohol
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  Speaker 1: smell on his breath and all sorts of other indicators
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  Speaker 1: that he would regularly go on the air at Fox
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  Speaker 1: News Channel as a weekend host, and I guess as
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  Speaker 1: a commentator during the weekdays, and he would shows very
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  Speaker 1: strong signs of being intoxicated. Now, when I first read this,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, this is this. I already said the word bizarre.
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  Speaker 1: This is so weird. It's so weird in so many
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  Speaker 1: different ways. First of all, if it's true, if it's true,
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  Speaker 1: Heag's death is done. And the reason why death would
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  Speaker 1: be done under these circumstances is First of all, again,
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  Speaker 1: if it's true. If it's true, then this is clearly
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  Speaker 1: an indication that it's impacting his work. And if you
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  Speaker 1: can't show up to work as a Fox News Channel
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  Speaker 1: co host without being intoxicated on a regular basis, there's
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  Speaker 1: no way you could be the Defense Secretary of the
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  Speaker 1: United States of America. Defense Secretary of the United States
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  Speaker 1: America is basically the CEO of the largest, most complex
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  Speaker 1: corporation in the world. Effectively, that's what it is, so
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  Speaker 1: with enormous amounts of pressure, so there's no chance you
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  Speaker 1: can do the job.
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  Speaker 2: And even worse for Heig's death.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know whether or not the media has
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  Speaker 1: used this as part of their equation that maybe they
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  Speaker 1: can get them on the drinking part. But I've not
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  Speaker 1: seen enough commentary on this, especially from the right, because
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  Speaker 1: the right is still very very much supporting Pete Hegstath
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  Speaker 1: and I can understand that given who his enemies aren't,
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  Speaker 1: but the alcohol issue makes him particularly vulnerable in this
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  Speaker 1: situation because of who Donald Trump is.
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  Speaker 2: People are forgetting.
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  Speaker 1: I think that Donald Trump has never had a drink
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  Speaker 1: of alcohol in his life, and the reason is because
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  Speaker 1: his brother Fred died at the age of forty three
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  Speaker 1: due to issues related to alcoholism.
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  Speaker 2: He despises alcoholism.
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  Speaker 1: He sees it as a huge weakness, one that he
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  Speaker 1: has gone to great lens to avoid in his life.
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  Speaker 1: So logic would dictate that if Trump became convinced that
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  Speaker 1: these allegations were real, that he would bail on Heg's death,
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily for political reasons, but because of how he
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  Speaker 1: would view hegstats he he stood by Trump did he
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  Speaker 1: stood by because he didn't believe the allegations. It wasn't
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  Speaker 1: because he thought, Okay, well, it's fine that he's a
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  Speaker 1: sexual abuser or whatever. And by the way, there were
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  Speaker 1: also alcohol allegations against Kavanaugh, but they were never, in
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  Speaker 1: my mind, credible at all, and a lot of them
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  Speaker 1: had to do with high school stories, and I think
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  Speaker 1: you kind of can compartmentalize those. But there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of similarities between what the media did the Kavanaugh or
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  Speaker 1: tried to do to him, and what they're trying right
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  Speaker 1: now to do to Pete Heg's death.
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  Speaker 2: But I think there might be a better chance that they're.
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  Speaker 1: Successful with Hex's death, partially because the stakes aren't as
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  Speaker 1: high as they were with Kavanaugh.
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  Speaker 2: You can replace Hegstad, you know, pretty easily.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, there's already a story out there that the
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  Speaker 1: Hex's death replacement might be Ron DeSantis, which is really weird,
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  Speaker 1: although intriguing. This came from the Wall Street Journal, which
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  Speaker 1: is also potentially significant because one it's not a lit outlet.
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  Speaker 1: Two it's owned by News Corp, which is the same
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  Speaker 1: company that owns Fox News Channel, which you would think
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  Speaker 1: would be supportive or would be hesitant to go after
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  Speaker 1: effectively one of their own employees, as they have been
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  Speaker 1: nominated for Defense Secretary.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a lot going on here. But I want
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  Speaker 2: to go back to the NBC story.
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  Speaker 1: So when you use ten anonymous sources, that's inherently troubling,
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  Speaker 1: especially when it's from a media outlet.
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  Speaker 2: But you can understand, given.
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  Speaker 1: The unique circumstances here, why somebody at Fox News Channel
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  Speaker 1: would not want to be known publicly as having provided testimony.
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  Speaker 1: If you will, that could be damaging to Pete Hegstat,
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  Speaker 1: because that would be bad for your career. One because
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  Speaker 1: Pete Heggstat is still very popular within Fox News Channel,
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  Speaker 1: has a lot of support there, So internally you would
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  Speaker 1: be in deep trouble if your name came out. So
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  Speaker 1: because Pete Hextead is very popular among Trump fans, and
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  Speaker 1: obviously Trump fans are the base of support for Fox
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  Speaker 1: News Channel, you would be putting yourself in a very
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  Speaker 1: precarious situation publicly. So I can understand why, in theory,
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  Speaker 1: I want to underline this, in theory, if this was
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  Speaker 1: all real, if this was all true, why you would
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: want to remain anonymous. That doesn't necessarily mean that it
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: meets journalistic standards. But as we try to evaluate this
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: NBC story, we go Okay, I can't understand why a
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Fox News Channel employee, either past or present, might want
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: to stay anonymous. Ten is a rather large number, But
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: what does the number ten tell you? The number ten
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: tells you that those people didn't come to NBC. That's
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: this is really important, folks. Those people didn't come to NBC.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: There is zero, and I repeat zero chance that ten
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Fox News Channel employed he's passed and present, all within
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: a fairly short pion of time decided to contact NBC
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: News to tell their stories about Pete Hex's death being
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: intoxicated on the set.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: There's zero chance of that.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: So what does that mean, Well, that means that NBC
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: decided they had a story.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: It's possible one, maybe one.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Person from Fox News Channel said something to somebody at
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: NBC and that then they use that as a lead
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: a clue. Oh there might be something here. Let's investigated.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: So let's contact everybody we can, as to president who
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: might have had contact with Pete Hexstath and Fox News
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Channel to see whether or not this story is true.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Now giving NBC the benefit of the very large doubt,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: at this point, they're claiming that they found ten people
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: that backed up this story of alcohol use it Fox
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: News Channel, again, very very obvious. NBC was proactively searching
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: for these Fox employees.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Why is that important, Well, because the first.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Thing I did, as basically an expert in this realm
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: of trying to evaluate the tee Lea's when it comes
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: to whether or not a media story is true or
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: untrue or somewhere in the middle.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: The first thing I'm.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Looking at is, all right, well, if this is true,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: then a lot of people at Fox News Channel are
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: gonna know it. It's unbelievable. We've never heard anything.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: About this before.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: But okay, he's never become this large of a news
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: story before. But here's what is gonna happen if.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: It's not true. Right, if it's not true, we're.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Gonna hear from people who worked with petextat the Fox
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: News Channel that are gonna have a huge incentive to
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: come forward and say this is bullshit. So I was
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: looking around and on Twitter, and at first I didn't
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: see anything, and there was nothing in the NBC article
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: from anyone at Fox News Channel saying this is bullshit.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: So I'm wondering, is it possible that Fox News Channel
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: has basically pulled the rugout from under Pete Heggstath and
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: this is all real? But they didn't want to be
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: the source of the story, so they effectively outsourced it
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: to NBC, which, by the way, is a weird place
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: to put it because Trumpsters are never going to believe
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: anything that NBC writes about a Trump nominee. It's just
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: the world, unfortunately that we live in. And NBC and
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: all the other major networks deserve what they have created
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: here because they have no credibility, they have no trust left.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: But okay, I'm trying to figure out is a story real?
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Is it not real? Is it somewhere in between? I'm
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: looking for some reaction from somebody at Fox News Channel.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: My god, living in the instant information age, all these
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: people have Twitter accounts. Somebody's gonna come forward and say
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: this is bullshit.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Well someone did, and that was Will Kine.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Now, Will Kine is a former sports guy who's actually
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: been co hosting with Pete Hegk's death for five years
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: on the weekends at Fox News Channel, and he tweeted
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: out the following, your story is horseshit, NBC News put
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: my name on it.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: On the record.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: It'll be you're only on the record source signed the
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: guy who sat next to him for eight hours every
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: week for five years, starting at six a m. Now,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: that is a very strong denial from somebody who would know.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Now I know Will a little bit. I've had conversations
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: or a conversation with Will. We've communicated on Twitter a
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: little bit, you know, so I have some sort of
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say a relationship, but some sort of communication
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: with Will.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: I've always thought him to be a.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Smart guy, a straight up guy, a guy I don't
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: have any reason to distrust, So that has weight to me.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: But does it prove it?
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, could he be somebody who was in the dark,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: you know, he just got fooled?
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: It never somehow? I mean, this seems kind of strange, right.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: If you're with somebody on weekends that's important on weekends
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: starting at six am, and you know you're doing four
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: hours each show with them, and they're making a habit
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: of being on the air intoxicated, there's a dark good
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: chance they're going to know it. But one person doesn't
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: prove anything. So on Twitter and via direct message, I
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: asked Will Kine question. I said, Will, thank you for
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: posting this. Could you let us know whether or not
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: NBC ever contacted you for this story because that would
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: be seemingly an important piece of information. That's what I
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: wrote publicly and then privately I direct message Will and
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I said, Will you have got to if you have
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: not been contacted by NBC. You need to find out
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: whether or not any of your colleagues were contacted by
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: NBC here, because if they weren't, you go a long
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: way in proving that the story is I don't think
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: I said bullshit, but that the story is not valid,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: it's not credible. And the reason why that's so significant
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: is what I said a couple of minutes ago. Because
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: there's ten sources, all anonymous here, that means we know
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: we know that if the story is real, and be
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: proactively went after them, there is zero chance ten people
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: on their own suddenly came to NBC can't happen. So
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: if we accept that NBC is going on the hunt
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: for people, then that would mean for the story to
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: be credible, Will Caine would.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Have to be on the list.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: There's a whole lot of other people that would have
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: to be on the list of people who were contacted,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: because I think the show's got like four co hosts
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: and obviously a lot of guests and producers and all that,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: so there's a whole lot of people on the list.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: If this is a credible story that would at least
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: be contacted. Doesn't mean they have to be spoken to
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: because you know, there's a time limit on this, but
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: at the very least somebody from NBC has got to
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: have at least reached out to you.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: So that was my question to Will, and Will told.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Me absolutely nobody from NBC contacted him. And then I said, well, well,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: can you please post that because that's important information. So
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Will then took my tweet question to him and said
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: exactly what he said to me in direct message, which
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: was one hundred percent, no one contacted me. This story
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: is horse crap. Again I'm paraphrasing. And so then I
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: keep watching and one by one, other members of the
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Fox News Channel weekend crew start making remarkably similar statements
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: that Will Kine made that they never witnessed anything like this,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Seemingly they were never contacted by NBC. Will keeps retweeting
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: all of them, and at times even quote tweeting them.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: So it appears I don't have direct knowledge of this,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: but from my observation, it appears as if Will.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Maybe on his own, maybe at my urging, maybe a
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: little bit of both.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Exactly what I wanted him to do was that he
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: corralled other Fox News Channel employees, not just to support
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Pete Heg's death, but also to make the point that
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: they were never contacted, and the fact that they were
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: never contacted obliterates the credibility of the story, obliterates it.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: I'm willing to at least listen to ten anonymous sources.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Anonymous sources don't prove anything, especially in this very part
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: of the media era, but I'm at least willing to
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: listen until I find out you didn't even bother to
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: contact the very public people that would have absolutely positively
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: known if this was true.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Now, that doesn't mean, by the way, that this group.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Of people that all came forward to support Pete Hegstath
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: would have been trustworthy or credible. I mean Don Bengino
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: or Bongino, who I have no respect for Dan Bongino,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: one of them would I would have no. I would
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: put no credibility in what Dan Bongino says, because he's
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: an absolute trumpster and a moron, and I don't have
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: any reason to have any faith in his word. But
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: it's not just Dan Bongino. It's Will Caine, and it's
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: a bunch of female hosts as well that are on
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: this show, and they're all saying, not only did they
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: not witness this, but they were not contacted. And at
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: the very least, if you're going after people and you
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: come after come up with ten anonymous sources, seven of
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: whom don't even work in Fox News Channel anymore, they
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: claim this. For that to be credible, you have to
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: have at least spoken to Will Caine and others like him,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: and there's no evidence they even tried. So what does
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: that tell you, Well, that tells you at best, at best,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: they were trying to target people who might give them
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: the story they wanted at best, because the reason they
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: didn't go after the on air people was that they
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: had very strong suspicions that those people were going to
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: contradict their story because they are friends with and fans
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: of Pete Hegstad, and obviously they have a public reputation
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: within the Trump base to protect. So you wouldn't go
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: ask Will Kine or certainly Dan Bongino if you didn't
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: want a contrarian view of this.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: That's the best case scenario.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: The worst case scenario is this is all effectively made up.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: When you have anonymous sources, you can't get one person
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: on the record, and the only people that are on
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: the record or those like Will Cain and others who
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: were right there and should know whether or.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Not this is true.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: And they're not just saying it's false, they're saying, fucking a,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: it's false.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Your story has no credibility, no credibility, and you have
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: have to at least consider the possibility that it's.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Largely, if not totally, made up.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: And it is really difficult for me to even contemplate
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: that this could be made up. Not because they're not
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: capable of being that corrupt, I just find it impossible
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: to believe that they're this stupid. I mean corruption, I get.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: This level of stupidity is if it's even close to
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: how I currently evaluate it, if this story is even
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: a little bit made up. Frankly, even if it's not
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: made up, even if they just decided we're only gonna
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: talk to people we think are that they're gonna give
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: us what we want to hear, and they're gonna do
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: so anonymously.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: To do this.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Involving Fox News is coossally stupid, colossally stupid.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Because they had to know, they had to know.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: That Fox News Channel personalities. We're going to be deeply
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: incentivized to contradict their story if it wasn't real. That's
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: why at first I was looking around, going, well, right
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: now the silence is deafening. Well, that was only like
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty minutes something like that before Will Caine
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: started the counter attack and then the floodgates open, And
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: so now I'm looking at this story completely differently. Had
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: there not been a Will Caine and others with a
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: counter attack here, I would be telling you a very
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: different story right now. I would be telling you, well,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: this is ten anonymous sources. That doesn't really win the day.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: But you know, where's the other side. The silence here
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: is definiting. Where are the Pete Hextas supporters? Because in
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: the media world, if this was real, everybody would know
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: about it or at least have heard a room about it.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: There's no way you can hide this. I mean, come on,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: and for NBC to be this dumb to either contrive
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: or concoct or manipulate a story when the opponent is
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Fox News Channel, you just can't do that. If this
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: was at a normal company where you you know, not
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: everybody had Twitter followings with hundreds of thousands of followers,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: and obviously the ability to go on the most popular
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: cable news network in a moment's notice to tell their
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: side of the story. That would be one thing you
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: could get away with that not as easily in this
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: day and age. But to go after Fox News Channel
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: is just so dumb unless you absolutely positively have.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: The goods and they don't have the goods on this story.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Again, I want to emphasize, is it possible that Pete
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: had death has a drinking problem and that drinking problem
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: may have had some semblance of influence over his work
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: at Fox News Channel.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's possible.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, there are all sorts of other stories already
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: out there where Pete Hegg's death has an issue with alcohol.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: How big of an issue is an important question, because,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: as we all know, there's a massive chasm between somebody
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: likes to have a couple of drinks on an a
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Friday or Saturday night and somebody who is an alcoholic.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Those are two very, very different things, especially when trying
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: to evaluate whether they can be the Defense Secretary of
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: the United States of America. But NBC's story does not
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: come close to meeting the threshold of journalism, especially now
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: that we see the backlash from those at Fox News Channel,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: who absolutely positively would have known if this was true.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: And I went one more time, this wasn't just you, Now,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: that's I never saw anything like that. I mean, that
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: would be like the normal reaction of a newsperson to
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: a story that involved them that they didn't have anything
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: to add to. They would say something like, I never
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: witnessed anything like this, and that would be it. That's
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: not what these people are saying. They're all saying exactly
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: the same thing as Will Caine, absolutely positively not.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: This is bullshit.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Now, granted, they have an incentive to use more incendiary
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: language one because they like Pete hex Steath than two
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: because they know their audiences hate NBC and like Pete
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Headstack and so so all the incentives here are a
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: bit askew. You know, this is partially the price we
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: pay for this screwed up world of the death of
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: journalism that we're living in. But I tend to believe
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Will Caine, and I tend to believe Will Caine because
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: of the fact that his view has been substantiated by
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: multiple members of the Fox News Channel staff, and also
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: again basically just understanding the way the media works and
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: all the rumors that fly around the news media. I mean,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: that's the nature of the news media, that's nature of
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: people that are in the news media.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: If this was real, people would know about it.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: And now, of course you might say, well, John, NBC
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: found ten people who knew about it.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: All anonymous, and clearly NBC went to them under the
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: presumption that those people are even real. I can't believe
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: I'm even openly contemplating that they could have just made
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: this up.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: But that's possible, and you know, I just that's if so.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's just would be one of the worst
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: journalistic offenses I've ever seen. I mean, if they purposely
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: made it up, even I have a hard time believing
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: that that. Now there's a you know, different definitions of
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: making something up. You can manipipulate somebody into saying something
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: that you want them to say, especially when it's anonymous,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: and I guess that's making it up. But you at
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: least still spoke to somebody who was either a former
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: or current Fox News Channel employee. But I think all
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: bets are off on this story because they didn't even
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: bother to contact Will Caine and many others like him.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: I have zero faith in this story, zero And I
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: think any scenario is possible, And it's just an absolute
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: stunter that NBC could be both this corrupt and or
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: stupid or both to do something like this involving another
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: news media outlet.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: So I don't believe the story is credible.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Is it possible that Pete Heggstath still has a major
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: problem with alcoholism?
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I still think the Hegxteath nomination is in trouble. The
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: news media definitely sees blood in the water, There's no
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: question about that, and they're acting on it.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: They didn't get Brett Kavanaugh, and they think they got
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Matt Gates, so maybe they're.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Feeling a little bit more confident. Maybe.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: One of the worst examples of the media going after
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Heckstaff came from CBS News and Nora O'Donnell, someone I've
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: talked a lot about on this podcast, an obvious liberal
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: hack from her days at MSNBC, somehow becomes the anchor
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: of the CBS Evening News, a formerly prestigious journalistic position
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: but now has a history of hiring liberals who only
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: become overtly liberal hacks after they leave the position. Although
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Nora o'donald kind of went in the opposite direction. She
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: was a liberal hack at MSNBC. They cleaned her up,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: and here she is acting as a liberal hack, very traumatically,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: starting the CBS Evening News with an attack on Pete Hegstath,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: using both the sex abuse allegations against him as well
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: as issues related to his use of alcohol.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: And here's what that sounded like on CBS Good Evening.
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: I'm Nora O'Donnell, and we begin with new reporting tonight
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: by CBS News. The highest priority of the President of
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: the United States is the safety and security of the
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: American people. As the commander in chief, Presidents rely on
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: their defense secretaries to help carry out that solemn task.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: President like Donald Trump, wanted a Fox News Weekend host
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: to hold that post, the forty four year old combat
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: veteran Pete Hegseth, But tonight that nomination appears to be
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: on the rocks. Hegseth is facing new allegations of sexual
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: misconduct and excessive drinking. Tonight's CBS News has learned that
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: Hegseth may not have the support of enough Republican Senators
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: to be confirmed for the job, meaning his nomination is
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: in serious jeopardy.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: So this is war. The news media is going after Hegstath.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Whether or not they're going to be successful is a
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: lot like the Brett Kavanaugh situation. It's a tough call.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: It's right on the precipice right now. And I've already
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: made the argument that Trump is not nearly as incentivized
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: to stand by Hegstad as he was Kavanaugh. And part
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: of the reason is not just because of how Trump
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: feels about alcohol and alcoholism, but also because it's a
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: lot easier to replace, a lot easier to replace Hegstath
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: as Defense Secretary, especially since we're not even to Christmas yet,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: and you know, this doesn't really become a major issue
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: until January, so there's plenty of time to get rid
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: of Hex's death and replace him.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: And the name.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: That's been floated, which has created quite a stir is
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Florida Governor Ron de Santis. The Wall Street Journal had
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: a headline yesterday Trump moules replacing Pete Hegstad.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: With Florida Governor Ron de Santis.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: The President elect is discussing replacing the current Pentagon nominee
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: as the former Fox News's faces mounting scrutiny over allegations
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: about his personal life. Now there are a lot of
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: there's so much mind virus within the pro Trump forces,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: especially on Trump on social media, almost.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: On Trump media.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: But that's a lot what Twitter has become since Elon
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Musk bought Twitter. And so there's so many people saying
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: that this is actually a sign that Hexstath has got
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: to be the guy because the establishment is trying to
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: replace him with rod DeSantis, who they still somehow.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: See as an establishment figure.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know how the hell Ronde Santis is an
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: establishment figure, but this is the screwed up.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: World in which we're living.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: But from a media tea Leave perspective, I do think
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: this is significant. I don't know whether not Rohnda Santis
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: is really being considered as the replacement for Hegstath. I mean,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: there are those that are putting things out there side
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: sources that say this story is horsecrap. I have inside
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: sources that say this story is absolutely true. There's word
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: out this morning that Trump is standing by Heg's death,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: but that's obviously for now. But the fact that this
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: would make it into the Wall Street Journal and also
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: the New York post another news Corp, news organization owned
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: by the same company that knowns Fox News Channel is
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: very very interesting. And there's already been some murmurs that
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham, uh, you know, senator from South Carolina, who
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: is very influential in this, is jumping off the Hegg's
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: death bandwagon. There are other senators have been indicated similar concerns.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: He can only lose a couple of these senators before
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: it becomes a very serious problem. And obviously Murkowski and
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Collins are always going to be an issue in situations
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: like this. So I think right now that Heg's death
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: he's not toast, but I think there's a pretty good
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: chance he's not going to be the Defense Secretary. It's
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: just it's hard for me to imagine how the Santis
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: trial balloon makes it into a prominent article in the
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal and Heg's.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Death still survives.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: That's hard for me to see how that could happen. Now,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: as far as now, I'm not saying it's impossible.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: I'm putting it.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: You know, we're into like fifty five to forty five
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: territory as far as where Heig's death is right now,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: and I would say, his chances of eventually becoming Defense
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Secretary are probably in the forty five range and probably
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: trending lower.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: As far as DeSantis is concerned, I.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: Hesitate to even go down this path because I don't
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: feel like this story is real.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's almost too good to be true.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: As the Santas fan, because if he were to become
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Defense Secretary, although he would obviously give up his last
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: two years as governor of Florida, it would at least
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: give him a new chapter in his career. There would
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: be a you know, a path for a future, and
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: you know, he would be Defense Secretary, presumably for four years.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: I don't think that would put him in a great
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: position at all to run for president in twenty twenty eight,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: unless there was a falling out between JD. Vance and
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump, which is the only way that anybody other
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: than JD. Vance is going to be the Republican nominee
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty eight. But let's say there was a
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: falling out between JD. Vans and Donald Trump, having, you know,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Rohn de Santis be the Defense Secretary, although he got
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: to resign presumably to run.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Would would be a pretty good place for which to
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: He's not really that qualified for the position, although he
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: obviously has served in the military, but he certainly has
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: the makeup to do the job I referenced to. The
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Defense secretary position is really the CEO of the largest,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: most complex corporation in the world, and this is a
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: job that Ron de Santis, regardless of what his resume says,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Rond de Santis would be very well suited to do,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: and philosophically he would be exactly the same as Pete Hegstaff,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: especially when it came to DEI and political correctness and
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. So I have zero doubt
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: that Ron de Santis would do a great job as
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Defense Secretary, and it would theoretically keep his future presidential
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: hopes at least flickering, because I think they're currently pretty
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: much dead.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he's turned out.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: In twenty twenty six, he can't beat jd Vance in
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: a Republican prominent primary. If Trump is backing Vance even
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: a little bit, I mean, it wouldn't even.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Have to endorse Dvance. I think the Advance would still.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Be the nominee, unless again, there was a clear falling
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: out between him and Trump.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: But if you completely change pass here, and.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: DeSantis has said he's not interested in a cabinet position,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: but this one is this one's a horse of a
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: different color. This is this is a big deal Defense secretary.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: And I could see DeSantis changing his mind on this,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: especially given these current circumstances. But my gut tells me
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: that that would just be too good to be true.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: It's hard for me to imagine that DeSantis ends up
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: as the Defense secretary, but who knows. I think what
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: we have here is a very very fluid situation, and
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: I don't think that he's dead can survive much more,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: you know, you know there can't. The ice here is
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: extremely thin, but he has a lot of support, and
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: you know, I would very much like to know what
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: the hell really happened with an NBC story, because that
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: story smells the high heaven. I don't think it's going
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: to really hurt Hegstad's specific or directly, but if the
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: drum beat continues and there continues to be stories like
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: this at a certain point, especially when it comes to
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: the subject of alcoholism, Trump's going to pull the plug
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: on this. I don't think there's much doubt about that.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: So Hegstaff cannot survive much more. Now, speaking of Ron
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: de Santis, there is some interesting news on the COVID
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: front where obviously DeSantis, in my view, saved the country
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: from the COVID panic by reversing course sooner than almost
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: anyone else did and doing so and by far the
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: most high profile position that being the governor of Florida.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: I really truly believe that if Ron DeSantis had been
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: more like Mike the Wine in Ohio, who was awful
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: on COVID, that the entire COVID panic would have lasted
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: longer and would have had a much more negative impact,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: as even as much of a negative impact as it
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: already did have on the higher country. I think DeSantis
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: saved us, and he saved us specifically in blue states
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: like here in California, because Newsom couldn't continue this anymore.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: De Santa's single handedly or almost single handedly made it
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: untenable eventually for Newsom to continue the tyranny. And the
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: House Subcommittee on the COVID Pandemic released their final report.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Now this is a Republican dominated committee, but they released
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: their final report on their investigation into the so called
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: COVID pandemic, and here are some of the conclusions that
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: they came to, and these are really amazing. Of course,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: the news media has absolutely no incentive to amplify these
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: at all. They'll just dismissed this as some sort of
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: you know, Republican propaganda job done by the Republican House.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: Are members of the Republican House, and so here's what
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: they came up with. The Biden administration repeatedly obstructed the
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: COVID Select Committee's investigations. Doctor Fauci's senior advisor, doctor David Morin's,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: violated multiple NIH policies.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: And likely lied to Congress.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Rather than prioritizing the protection of the most vulnerable populations,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: federal and state government policies forced millions of Americans to
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: forego crucial elements of a healthy, happy, and financially sound life.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Federal and state governments had significant lapses in coordination, lack
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: proper oversight functions, and were unprepared to oversee the allocation
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: of COVID nineteen relief funds. Contrary to what was promised,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: the COVID nineteen vaccine did not stop the spread or
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: transmission of the virus. Well, that's interesting considering the fact
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: that obviously these are all Trump's supporters, Trump's going to
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: be again, and Trump is still pretending as if Operation
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: Warp Speed was the greatest thing that ever happened in
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: the history of man.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: So I found that to be.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Particularly significant and also obviously very very accurate, but something
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: that the mainstream news media has never acknowledged. Back to
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: their conclusions, vaccine mandates trampled individual freedoms and harmed military readiness.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: More than one hundred and sixty thousand businesses closed due
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: to the COVID nineteen pandemic, although I would suggest it
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: was the response to the pandemic. Maybe that's what they
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: really meant, but that's what this summary says. With sixty
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: percent of those closures classified as permanent, I mean, that
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: is just tragic and something that's not talked nearly enough about.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, sixty percent of those one hundred.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: And sixty thousand businesses were closed due to the panic. Minutely,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: children experienced historic learning loss, higher rates of psychological distress,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: and decreased physical well being. Not to mention, I will
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: add that this is still ongoing today for a number
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: of reasons, including an increased rate of truancy, which is
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: what I predicted. What happened because when you cancel school
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: like we did here in California for well over a
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: year for no real parent, legitimate reason, people are going
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: to take the message that guess what, school's not important?
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: And if you try to pretend that you're doing school
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: via zoom, then guess what going to school isn't important.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: They destroyed the entire sanctity of going to school, the
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: entire idea that missing school was wrong and damaging, and
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: that is going to be, if not permanent, that's going
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: to remain the case for a very long time, and
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: one a classic example of how liberals refuse to understand
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: the concept of unintended consequences and slippery slopes and domino
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: effects and things like that.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: And that was always obviously going to be the case.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: But the impact on children, which I've talked about a
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: lot because obviously I have two young daughters during the
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: COVID panic, is something that the news media has never
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: fully discussed, and it's absolutely outrageous. Other conclusions include unemployment
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: rates surge to levels not seen since the Great Depression,
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: and a lab related incident involving dangerous gain of function.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Research in China is the most likely origin of the
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: COVID nineteen pandemic, and that whole effort used taxpayer dollars
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: to facilitate gain of function research in Wuhan, China. That's
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: a devastating report, one that the news media, of course,
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: is doing their best to ignore because after all, that's
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: just Republicans in Congress, and of course they are deeply, deeply,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: deeply invested in never revisiting this because.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: They enabled and promoted.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: The whole thing in conjunction with Democrats in general, specifically
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: blue state governors, and they did so in large part because,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: at least subconsciously, they realized this was going to greatly
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: damage Donald Trump's re election effort. There were a lot
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: of other reasons, panic being the number one humans deal
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: with panics very very very poorly, but there were also
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: political reasons, philosophical reasons. They were also, I mean, I've
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: gone through this many times before, but and nothing shocking
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: from this subcommittee report. But it's still worth revisiting because
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: we live in an area where journalism is dead, and
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: the news media to this day has never even come
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: close to fully revisiting the most significant cultural event in
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: the modern history of this country, which is just stupefying, frustrating,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: but another indication that we are living in the era
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: of the death of journalism. I want to move now
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: into the realm of sports. Although this is not really
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: I guess it's somewhat of a sports issue, but it's
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: something that I've talked an awful lot about how football
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: and tackle football is in grave danger, mostly because the
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: National Football League is systematically trying to destroy the essence
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: of tackle football. I believe they're doing so mostly because
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: they see the issue of concussions as an existential threat
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: to their extremely profitable business, and so I have used
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: the analogy of chemical castration. They know that they can't
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: get away with eliminating tackle football overnight, so they're going
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: to do it bit by bit, piece by piece, and
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: hope that over time, a desensitized public doesn't even understand it,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: doesn't fully recognize it, or maybe doesn't even care, actually
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: ends up liking this new product where you know, offenses
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: dominate and scoring increases, and you know, the game totally changes.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: By the way, there's.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: No evidence that that this is a wrong evaluation so
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: far on the part of the National Football League, because
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: ratings are extremely high, especially given the limitations of fragmentation,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: and you know, cord cutting and everything else that's harming
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: the television business. So it's hard to argue from a
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: business standpoint, But from a football perspective, I am totally
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: convinced that tackle football is in grave danger. And something
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: happened this past weekend that was really really telling and
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: very interesting and weirdly gave me a little bit of hope.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: I know, I'm not known for my optimism, but there's
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: at least a glimmer of hope in this whole situation.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: What I'm referring to is what happened in.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: A game between the Houston Texans and the Jacksonville Jaguars
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: when the Jaguars quarterback Trevor Lawrence was running out of
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: the pocket and he was running downfield and he slid.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Now, in modern football.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Now we have this what I view as a very
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: stupid slide rule where the quarterback, if they slide feet first,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: they're automatically down where the slide began and you're effectively
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: not allowed to touch the quarterback at that point. And
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: so it's supposed to protect the quarterback and theory, and
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: it's to me this is a classic liberal conservative thing.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: I mentioned this on social media, and liberals think I'm
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: absolutely crazy for thinking this has anything to do with politics,
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: because they don't understand the way the liberal mind works
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: versus the way the conservative mind works. This, to me
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: is a classic example of where, well, okay, we got
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: a problem.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: We got to protect the quarterback. So let's make a rule.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: Let's make a rule.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: And we'll live in this ivory tower, this utopian world
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: where a quarterback can just slide and they're down automatically,
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: they're giving themselves up and that way, you know, quarterbacks
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: can run out of the pocket, but they're not going
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: to make.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: Themselves vulnerable to major injury.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: Now, you know, sacks are one thing, because generally quarterbacks
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: don't get hurt, especially in the modern era, when they're sacked,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: because now basically you have to gently bring the quarterback
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: to the ground otherwise you're literally going to get a
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: personal foul penalty. But when you're in the open field,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: you're a little bit more vulnerable to injury for a
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: whole bunch of reasons. One of the witches, the speed
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: of the tackler is greatly increased in general, especially in
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: the post Lawrence Tarrell Taylor era, there are no more
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Lawrence Taylors. In fact, Lawrence Taylor probably couldn't even play
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: football today because of the rules. So in the open field,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: the quarterback is more vulnerable to injury. So they decided,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: let's come up with this rule where if you slide
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: that you're down, and that'll make everybody happy because you're
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: effectively tackled at that moment, but there's no chance of injury. Well,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: that's a naive, utopian world because it doesn't understand, like
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: the liberal mind cannot seemingly understand that that is creating
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: a loophole that people are eventually going to take advantage of.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: And that loophole is the defender doesn't know for sure
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: when you're starting to slide, and it's quite easy to
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: fake a slide and keep running. And at that point,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: you've now put the defender in an impossible situation because
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: once you start faking the slide, what is the tackler
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: supposed to do. He cannot presume that just because it
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: looks like you're sliding that that means immediately they have
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: to abort the tackle. And what I don't think a
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: lot of fans and certainly not a lot of people
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: in charge fully understand is the speed with which you
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: have to make this decision as a defender. It's like
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: an instantaneous millisecond thing in the open field where you
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: have to decide, Okay, am I going to try to
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: tackle this guy or is he going to slide?
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's no time to make this decision.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: And once you make the decision, it is really difficult to,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: as I already said, abort it. It is very difficult.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: It's just not physically possible. Physics makes it essentially impossible,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: especially at the SPA in the modern National Football League,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: that things are going. These are incredible athletes going at
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: very high rates of speed. Well occasionally, because of this
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: problem that's been created by what I view as a
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: stupid rule and some quarterbacks like Patrick Mahons and Josh
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: Allen abusing this rule to their own benefit, you're gonna
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: have a perfect storm set of circumstances occur and bad
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: things are gonna happen. And that happened over the weekend
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: when Houston Texans defender Aziz Al Sharier made a hit
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: on Jacksonville's quarterback Trevor Lawrence after he was sliding and
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: he hit him in the head and it looked absolutely awful.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: And when the quarterback was hitting the head, his head
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: hit the ground and he apparently was maybe been knocked out,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: but he clearly had a concussion. He had to be
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: taken off the field. He did not return to the game.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: And so this became a huge deal, especially because immediately
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: the hit, looking as awful as it did, Jacksonville Jaguars
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: teammates went after al Sharier and they went after him
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: in a big way.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: Basically a melee ensued and.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: Basically a fight broke out, which only furthered the perception that,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: oh my god, this was an unprecedented dirty play because
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: players don't generally react that way, and al Sharier was
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: kicked out of the game and eventually Alsherier was given
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: a three game suspension, a three game suspension for this
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: hit on Trevor Lawrence.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: Now, when I saw this, I'm like, oh geez, what
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: do I do?
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Because I know I know that everybody on social media
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: is going to be outraged by this.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: The virtue signaling is going to be off the charts.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: Nobody is going to want to defend this hit because
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: it looks terrible.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: It looks awful, and because Lawrence got hurt. And it always.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: Bothers me that the result of a play like this
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: has such a large impact on how we perceive the
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: intent or the action. I mean to me, so if
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: Lawrence doesn't get a concussion, does that mean that there's
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: not a three game suspension? I mean, it's a bit
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know. To me, the outcome doesn't really matter
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: that much. It's the intent and the actual action. Like,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: for instance, I've never understood how it attempted murder gets
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: penalized or punished so much less than actual murder.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: Like, so we're giving you a.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: Benefit, you're getting less punishment because you're really bad at murder.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Your actions and your intent were exactly the same. So
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: the results shouldn't matter that much when it comes to punishment.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: Shouldn't matter in theory at all. Really, and in a
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: weird way, I think there's an analogy to be made
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: in this situation.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: But I'm a realist, and you know, Lauren's getting.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: A concussion, being taken out of the game, the Jacksonville
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: players reacting so dramatically and the hit looking so bad.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: I knew, I knew this was going to be one
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: of those deals where almost everybody was going to be
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: on one side, and I didn't really want to get
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: into the fray, but I couldn't resist it, so I
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: started tweeting that, Okay, I realized this looks terrible and
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: I got no problem with there being a penalty on
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: the play, but ejection and then eventually we didn't know
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: this at the time, a three game suspension is way
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: too much, even though al Sharia has a bit of
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: a history.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: Although there are those on the Houston Texans that.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: Are strongly defending him as a human being and saying
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: that this is not who he is. But and reputation
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: shouldn't matter that much, but it does when it comes
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: to people evaluating this situation. And I don't want to
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: get too deeply involved in this, but to me, this
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: is important because this might have been a seminal moment
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: in the history of tackle football in the National Football
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: League because my argument was, all right, so let's use
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: our brains for a second. First of all, we have
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: the issue of the fear of a quarterback faking the slide,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: so that greatly reduces the time period that the defender.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: Has to make a decision.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: And so we had Ausherier from I don't know, three
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: to five yards away, already trying to make a tackle
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: on Trevor Lawrence. But at that point, Lawrence begins to slide.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: And here's to me the most important part of this.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: When you slide, guess what happens to your head.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: Your head goes down.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: Significantly, from about six feet off the ground to about
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: two feet off the ground. Now, the part that confused
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: me most about people being sure that al Sharier purposely
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: did this was that in order to believe that he
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: purposely targeted Lawrence's head, you actually have to believe that
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: he's the greatest tackler in the history of football. You
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: have to believe that if you know anything about the
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: sport of football, because he has to be able to
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: determine exactly.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: Where Lawrence's head is going to.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: Be before he launches the tackle, and Lawrence's head is
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: dropping about four feet at least.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: So how can he pop possibly do that? I would
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: submit that he can't.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: I would submit that there's another explanation, and that explanation
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: is that al Sharier was trying at first to hit
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: Lawrence in the mid section, which is about the only
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: place you're allowed to hit, especially a quarterback, and not
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: get penalized.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: But then people say, but John.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: He hit Lawrence in the head with his forearm, and
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: I'm like, hello, that is actually, to me far more
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: consistent with a guy who has launched his tackle is
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: now seeing that, oh shit, Lawrence is sliding. I'm in
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: big trouble here. He realizes he's about to hit him
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: in the head and he desperately puts up his forearm
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: to be able to avoid helmet to helmet contact, which
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: is like the you know, the most forbidden thing in
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: the national four football leg And so he is, in
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: my view, potentially actually trying to avoid a very problematic
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: hit by using his forearm, because what else are you
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: going to do If you launch yourself at someone's midsection,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: they dropped their head four feet and you're careening towards them.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: You can't stop it at that point. It's physically impossible.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: The only thing you might be able to do is
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: if you put your forearm up first, that's gonna make
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: contact instead of the helmet. And my view of the
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: replay shows that Elshemier never actually.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: Made helmet to helmet contact with Lawrence. Now, it didn't
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: matter because there.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: Was contact with Lawrence's head that drove him back into
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: the turf, that caused a concussion, and then all hell
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: broke loose. Well, of course, I got murdered on social media.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: In fact, I even had a mainstream news media member
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: with whom I'm fairly friendly, contact me on direct message
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: and tell me I was totally full of shit. Not
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: a sports person, by the way, a news anchor, uh
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: told me, I'm totally full of shit, And I mean,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: what am I talking about here?
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: This was obviously a dirty hit.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: And I understood that that was the way that the
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: vast majority of the public was going to respond to this.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: And I thought this was going to be a situation where, Okay,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: we're all just going to have to pretend that this
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: was a dirty hit, a horrible hit, that the quarterback
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: didn't do anything wrong, and that there's nothing wrong with
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: the slide rule, because that, to me, is the essence
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: of the problem here. The slide rule is the reason
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: why this happened. The slide rule is dumb, and to me,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: it's it's born out of a liberal mentality of you know,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: letting the perfect get in the way of the good, right,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: and that happens a lot when it comes to liberalism. Oh,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: we got a problem here, so how are we going
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: to fix it. Let's create a rule.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: Well, we create a.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: Rule, and we don't even think about the ramifications of
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: that rule. And I've already said the ramifications here are
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: people are going to use it, and people have abused it.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: So when the NFL put down their three game suspension
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: and they wrote a very scathing statement about al Sharier,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: I thought, Okay, boil boy, you know, this is just
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: another another mile marker in the journey to the death
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: of tackle football. We're all just going to put flags on,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: especially the quarterback. I've been predicting this for a very
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: long time in the next decade or so, that there
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: will be some form of flag football, especially when it
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: comes to the quarterback. But then's something weird happened. There
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: was some pushback, and there was some pushback from some
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: very prominent and diverse voices, and I want to share
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: some of those with you.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: First came I don't know if.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: This was exactly the chronology, but this is I think
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: a logical chronology.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: First came the head.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: Coach of the Houston Texas the god b name of
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: DeMarco Ryans.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: Now, I've talked a lot about how, especially in sports.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: When you happen to be black, it gives you a
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: lot more freedom when it comes to what you're allowed
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: to say on controversial topics. And DeMarco Ryans happens to
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: be black. And I don't know if that's why he
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: felt more comfortable or he was just defending his guy,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: But DeMarco Ryans at a press conference made a pretty
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: darn good argument that was very similar to the one
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: I'm making that we got a problem here with this
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: slide rule and that that's primarily the cause of what
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: happened and what created this very unfortunate situation resulting in
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence getting a concussion.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: And here's what he had to say.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 8: You stand behind disease and everything you know that came
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 8: from that. Of course, he unfortunately hit on a quarterback,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 8: but it's also it's his.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: Twofold, right.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 8: I mean, a lot of the quarterbacks in this day
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 8: and age, they try to take advantage of the rule
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 8: or they slide late and they try to get an XHRAYR.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 8: And now you're a defender. A lot of honors is
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 8: on a defender right, whether it's on the sideline or
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 8: where it's on the quarterback, you don't know what a
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 8: guy's thinking. You don't know if a guy's standing up
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 8: and he's continuing to run, you don't know. And then
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 8: you get a late slide and you're you know, you
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 8: hit the guy. Unfortunately that Trevor got hurt. We want
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 8: to hope Trevor is okay. But it's also if we're sliding,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 8: we have to get down. If we're getting out of bounds,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 8: we get out of bounds, and that rule is there
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 8: to protect the quarterbacks, and we want our quarterbacks to
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 8: be safe in the league. So we just have to
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 8: be safe if we're sliding, make sure we're keeping our
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 8: heads down. So and the entire thing is, you know,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 8: a zz it's the guy, but their sideline overreacts and
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 8: it turns out and turns into a melee. It wasn't
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 8: our guys, it's their team overreacted, pushed our guy, dragging
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 8: our guy to the sideline. So that's uncalled for on
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 8: that side. We have to be better on the sidelines
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 8: as well, with both teams.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: So I saw that, I'm like, okay, at least his
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: coach stood up for the truth and for football, and
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: maybe that's worth something. But then I saw on ESPN
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: Rex Ryan, former head coach of the New York Jets
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: and a defensive guy. I'm thinking, Okay, what does Rex
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: Ryan have to say? And he put it in a
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: slightly different way. Of course, he has to be pc
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: about it, has to rip the tackle. But he, then,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: I thought, kind of brilliantly decides to pretend as if
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: he's actually in favor of player safety by blaming not
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: just quarterbacks but the coaches of quarterbacks for not properly
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: teaching the slide, effectively making my argument that the slide
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: rule is really terrible and the quarterbacks are abusing it.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: And here's what that sounded like on ESPN.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 9: Yeah, you got to learn how to protect yourself. And
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 9: I'm going to tell you right now, obviously it was
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 9: a dirty hit. I am so sick and tired of
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 9: seeing people teach, you know, hey, slide. When you're running
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 9: out here, you.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: Slide the hell you do.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 9: Not when you're going full speed down the field and
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 9: the defender's coming full speed at you, you don't slide.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 9: I can see this happens over and over and over again.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 9: All you have to do is watch every Saturday college football.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 9: Two to three of these happen every single week. I'm
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 9: sick and tired of it. You are not protecting your
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 9: quarterback when you teach him how to slide when it's
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 9: not in the open field. Open field, of course, that's great,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 9: Absolutely not here. If you want to get a concussion,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 9: you slide like this when contacts.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: Come, what should they be taught to do?
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 9: They should be taught to dive at the ankles of
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 9: the defender, or run the football and keep your head
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 9: out of it. I would, I mean, trust me, I
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 9: would take the ankles of the defender, run right there,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 9: dive at his ankles.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: Immediately.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 9: The guy's going to go to protect himself. He's not
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 9: worried about tackling you.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: Look the kid.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 9: Absolutely it was awful, all right, and yes he's going
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 9: to be suspending things. But also this happens all the
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 9: time when the guy's just trying.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: To make a tackle.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 9: All right, there's a big quarterback run in here. Like,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 9: I am so sick and tired of it. Let's put
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 9: a film together and actually teach our young quarterbacks how
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 9: to protect themselves.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: I'm sick and tired of it so well.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: I wasn't one hundred percent thrill what Rex Ryan said.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: And he's obviously defensive guys, so of course defensive guys
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: are going to be more willing to stand up for
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: the defense, especially in this day and age where defenders
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: have no advantages whatsoever. And I don't even know how
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: the hell you play defense. I'm stunned that every NFL
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: game is in you know, forty five to thirty eight.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, I really am. It's astonishing to me.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: Given the rules and how difficult it is to play defense.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: But so there, you got the Houstons, Houston Texans head coach.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: Obviously he has a bias. You got Rex Ryan, he
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: has a bias towards defense. So I'm like, okay, that's
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: at least something some sort of push. But people are
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: going to discount what they have to say for the
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: reasons I've already mentioned. But then I see it clip
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: from Colin Cowherd's show where Tom Brady is the guest. Now,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: obviously Tom Brady is the goat, and he's a quarterback,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: and he's an unfortunately rather mediocre announcer on Fox. He's
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: also a part owner of the Las Vegas Raiders, which
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: I think makes him extremely conflicted on all controversial topics,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: especially this one. I thought that tom Brady might be
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: one of the most impactful voices when it comes to
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: trying to save tackle football, but because the league has
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: made it obvious that they're not allowing their corporate partners
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: at Fox and ABCNBC and CBS to tell the truth
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: about how tackle football is ending, I lost my optimism
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: on that, especially once tom Brady became officially a part owner. So,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, nobody is more conflicted on this issue than
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: tom Brady. But the fight those conflicts, and despite the
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: fact that he's a quarterback who was benefiting more than
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: anybody else by these rules, I mean, nobody benefited more
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: by the softening of the rules, especially when it comes
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: to tackling the quarterback, than Tom Brady. It's the only
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: reason why he was still quarterbacking at the age of
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: forty five. And yet tom Brady, using very careful language
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: and being a rather pc about it, he I think,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: came forward with a pretty darn good opinion about this.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: I was surprised that Colin Cowherd at least was pretending
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: to be on the fence, because I would have perceived
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: Cowhurts to be a virtue signaler and be like everybody
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: else and say, you know, this was obviously dirty and wrong.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: But that's not what Cowhert said as he introduced Tom Brady,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: and here was Brady's opinion on this whole situation.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 10: The late hit on Trevor Lawrence. So I got mixed emotions.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 10: I want my quarterback to have some mobility, but I
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 10: also think you leave the pocket, Tom, and you're a
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 10: running back.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: Where are you on this hit?
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: That's a great question.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 11: I've watched obviously been a part of the NFL for
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 11: a long time, and I remember there.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: Was an instance.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 11: There's all start by saying there's mixed emotions that I
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 11: have about it as well. I remember in two thousand
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 11: and one, I think we played at Buffalo and I
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 11: slid late and Nate Clements was the corner for the Bills,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 11: and he came up out of the secondary and absolutely
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 11: crushed me. My helmet went flying off, and I got
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 11: back and I ran to the huddle, and I had
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 11: a lot of teammates that came up to me the
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 11: next day and said, dude, these guys are coming. You
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 11: got to get rid of that football, and if you're
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 11: going to slide, you better get down.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: These guys are coming to get you.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 11: And it was a great kind of learning experience for
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 11: me because I realized that when I'm out of that pocket,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 11: things were moving a lot faster for me, and the
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 11: defense is trying to be very aggressive. And over time,
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  Speaker 11: the NFL has obviously done a lot of things to
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  Speaker 11: protect players and player health and safety. It's been on
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  Speaker 11: and on and on, and the only aspect that I
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  Speaker 11: think is very challenging, and certainly for Trevor Lawrence. Nobody
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  Speaker 11: wants to see anybody get hurt, but it is also
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  Speaker 11: the reality of a very physical sport that we play.
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  Speaker 11: But the only way defensive players have to be aggressive.
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  Speaker 11: That's their nature. I always try to be aggressive on offense.
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  Speaker 11: We try to a block aggressively, and at the same time,
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  Speaker 11: the defense.
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  Speaker 3: Tries to tackle aggressively.
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  Speaker 11: So I don't know, there's an aspect to me that
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  Speaker 11: I think the quarterbacks, and certainly the quarterbacks need to
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  Speaker 11: take better care of themselves. I've seen Josh Allen running
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  Speaker 11: a lot, I see Lamar Jackson running a lot, and
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  Speaker 11: it's a great skill set to have. A lot of
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  Speaker 11: times I wish I had that skill set. And at
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  Speaker 11: the same time, when you run, you put yourself in
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  Speaker 11: a lot of danger. And when you do that, I
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  Speaker 11: don't think the onus of protecting an offensive quarterback who's
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  Speaker 11: running should be on a defensive player. I don't think
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  Speaker 11: that's really fair to the defense. So if you slide
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  Speaker 11: and it's you know, everyone can argue was it black
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  Speaker 11: and white or was it just a gray area? Do
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  Speaker 11: you slide late or is it unnecessary roughness or is
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  Speaker 11: it a late hit?
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  Speaker 3: You know, to me, a late hit is very late.
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  Speaker 11: You know, there's quarterbacks that I see running tiptoe on
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  Speaker 11: the sideline and they're not.
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  Speaker 3: Even out of bounds and they.
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  Speaker 11: Get hit as they're starting to step out of bounds
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  Speaker 11: and there's a penalty flag thrown. So the aspect again
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  Speaker 11: for a play caller. There's more design runs for quarterbacks
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  Speaker 11: ever now than in the history of the NFL. So
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  Speaker 11: are we really trying to protect quarterbacks? Because if you
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  Speaker 11: are trying to do it through the rules, then why
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  Speaker 11: are the offensive coordinators not protecting their quarterbacks by keeping
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  Speaker 11: them under the pocket and not designing as many quarterback runs.
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  Speaker 11: So I think there's just it's gone to a point
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  Speaker 11: where there's really everyone would label a certain player as
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  Speaker 11: a dirty player.
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  Speaker 3: You know. I don't like that one bit.
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  Speaker 11: I you know, maybe they find or penalize a quarterback for.
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  Speaker 3: Sliding late, you know, and say, look, we we don't
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  Speaker 3: want these hits to take place.
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  Speaker 11: We've got to penalize the offense and the defense rather
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  Speaker 11: than just penalize a defensive player for every single play
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  Speaker 11: that happens when there's a hit on a quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: So well, I didn't agree with everything that Brady said,
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  Speaker 1: and I thought he could have been more forceful about it.
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  Speaker 2: That's pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's acknowledging that quarterbacks, and he's obviously the
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  Speaker 1: ultimate goat when it comes to quarterbacks, are taking advantage
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  Speaker 1: of this rule, and to me, that was maybe the
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  Speaker 1: most important part of this whole controversy.
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  Speaker 2: Can we please at least.
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  Speaker 1: Acknowledge that the rule is bad and that quarterbacks are
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  Speaker 1: taking advantage of it, and it's putting defenders in an
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  Speaker 1: absolutely impossible situation, and that eventually, when defenders are in
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: an impossible situation, a set of perfect storm circumstances are
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: going to occur and you're going to have what happened
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  Speaker 1: here where a quarterback gets a concussion and a defender,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: it's an unfair suspension of three games for something for
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  Speaker 1: which there may have been zero intent to cause harm
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  Speaker 1: to the quarterback. In fact, I think there's an argument
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  Speaker 1: to be made that al Sherier tried his best not
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  Speaker 1: to create helmet to helmet contact with Lawrence and effectively
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: did prevent helmet to helmet contact, but it didn't matter
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  Speaker 1: because of the unique circumstances of the timing of the
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  Speaker 1: tackle and the late slide by Trevor Lawrence. So, in
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  Speaker 1: a weird way, what I thought was a classic example
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: another piece of strong evidence that tackle football is toast
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  Speaker 1: gave me a little bit of hope that there's still.
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  Speaker 2: A heartbeat there. You know, even though it wasn't perfect.
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  Speaker 1: You got a head coach, an ESPN commentator, and Tom
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: Brady all very publicly stating that, hey, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 1: there's another side to this story, And as.
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  Speaker 2: Long as there's still another side of.
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  Speaker 1: The story, there's a chance there's a hope, there's a pulse. So,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: you know, I hate being an optimist, but there's at
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: least some hope here in what started off to me
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  Speaker 1: as an absolutely terrible situation when it came to the
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: inevitable death of tackle football in general and specifically in
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  Speaker 1: the National Football League. By the way, speaking of I
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: guess you would call this a National Football League story.
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  Speaker 1: I have to at least mention that there was about
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: a two hour window yesterday where the media became convinced
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: that we were going to get an audio confession from
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  Speaker 1: OJ Simpson when it came to the deaths of Nicole Brown,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: Simpson and Ron Goldman. This was because, frankly, what I
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: think happened here was that TMZ really jumped the gun
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: on a very strange story. Basically, what occurred was that
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: OJ Simpson's former bodyguard was arrested Minnesota and told police
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: that he had on his possession an audio tape that
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: contained OJ Simpson's confession in the murders, and somehow that
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: story leaked out before the police that actually listened to
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: the recording. Now, why you wouldn't wait until you got
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: verification that there was anything to this, I don't know.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: But that's the one in which we now live, where
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: speed is everything. Well, TMZ, in my view, totally blew it.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: The story doesn't even make any sense, right, I mean,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: if you had audio of OJ Simpson's confession, even though
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: I believe you already confessed and running a book called
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: If I Did It, although the details of that confession
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: were obviously false. But if you really had O. J.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: Simpson confessing, would you hand it to police after you
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: got arrested or you would you would tell police you
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: have it on your possession.
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  Speaker 2: That doesn't even make any sense.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: You would have, first of all, if you were going
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: to allow other people to have it, you would have
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: sold that a long time ago.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: However, if you just got.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: Arrested and you're desperately searching for something, you might make
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: up a story about this. I don't know the circumstances
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: surrounding all this, but it certainly at least makes a
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: little bit of sense that you might lie to police
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, just to buy yourself some time or
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: maybe somehow I don't even know who the hell knows,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: but to buy it on face value that this story
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: made any sense before there was verification or validation was
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: really an indication that TMZ has some vulnerabilities in their process,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: because it didn't take long before we found out. Guess what,
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: there's nothing on the audiotapes. In fact, all there is
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: is this bodyguard babbling to himself, and so there was
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: no OJ Simpson audio confession, and it never made any
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: damn sense that that's how the audio confession would make itself.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 9: Know.
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  Speaker 1: Now, if this was a situation where the audio somehow.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: You know, was leaked out accidentally or was part of.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: A legal proceeding or something like that, where it would
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: create an explanation for why it wasn't made public or
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: why it wasn't sold, or that would at least be something, Okay,
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: I'm curious about. But these circumstances evolving an arrest and
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: the former bodyguards somehow having this on his possession just
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: was obviously absurd from the start, and it turned out
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: to be a totally false story. So there's no evidence
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: we're ever going to get an actual confession from OJ Simpson,
• 1:27:54
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