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Chuck in the Morning 8-18 H3: Mariners sweeping changes? AP 2op 25 poll, Mariners-Brewers · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 2: Alright, great morning to you. It is our eight o'clock
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Speaker 3: It's kind of necessary at the morning show, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's. I think it's just such a
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Speaker 2: smart idea. It's what I started doing a long time ago.
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Speaker 2: Like I don't know, I think naturally, we spend money
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Speaker 2: on a trip and we want to get every single
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Speaker 2: second out of it. But then you don't feel relaxed,
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Speaker 2: and don't you come back to work Because the worst
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Speaker 2: thing in the world is travel. Travels far worse than
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Speaker 2: actual work, like the actual getting from A to B.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's one of the worst things in the world.
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Speaker 2: Work is fun, work is enjoyable us. Yeah, well, I
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Speaker 2: mean hopefully most people like what they're doing, but travels not. Now.
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Speaker 2: Relaxing and vacationing, I mean, that's at the top of
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Speaker 2: the list of things to do. But there's no point
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Speaker 2: in having spending all that money to be able to
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Speaker 2: on the flight home and then have to get to
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Speaker 2: work the next day on six seconds of sleep. So
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Speaker 2: I think it's a really smart idea on her part.
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Speaker 2: And the reason I think that is because it was
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Speaker 2: my idea first, of course. All right, so let's go
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Speaker 2: into the third hour our show together. Anders Hearst is here.
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Speaker 2: My name is Chuck Powell. We're going to talk some
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Speaker 2: college football a little bit later on, but I do
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Speaker 2: want to talk some baseball. We talked almost all football
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Speaker 2: so far here this morning, but there were a few
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Speaker 2: different things that were making the rounds yesterday, we've discussed
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Speaker 2: the story about that Bob Nightingale had about Dan Wilson
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Speaker 2: and whether or not he would be out at the
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Speaker 2: end of the year. We also are going to discuss
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Speaker 2: with Ryan Healey at nine o'clock that other story that
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Speaker 2: was making its way around about the hitters. Some sort
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Speaker 2: of hitter anonymously told some reporter that, yeah, we're at
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Speaker 2: a crossroads, basically kind of suggesting we're caught in between
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Speaker 2: as hitters with and so it made the philosophy of
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Speaker 2: the offensive philosophy philosophy of this organization come into question.
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Speaker 2: I think that we'll talk a lot about that later
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Speaker 2: in the week, but we'll ask Ran Healy about that today.
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Speaker 2: But the third story that was making a lot of rounds,
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Speaker 2: and it actually started trending yesterday, Jesse Rogers, who covers
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Speaker 2: MLB for ESPN, says that he's hearing that the Mariners
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Speaker 2: are going to make significant change, big changes here in
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Speaker 2: the off season, and didn't really specify as far as
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Speaker 2: I could see as to whether or not that was
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Speaker 2: dependent upon what they do the rest of the year,
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Speaker 2: that they see a need for big changes in the
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Speaker 2: off season, and of course got everybody all thinking about
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Speaker 2: what that's going to look like and what have you.
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Speaker 2: I don't mean to undermine Jesse Rodgers, but this team
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Speaker 2: could win a World Series and there are going to
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Speaker 2: be big changes in the off season.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, especially considering the CVA is done. Right, So, yeah,
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Speaker 4: this is really not that big of a story. I've
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Speaker 4: been warning you about this for years, that they were
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Speaker 4: going to be big off season changes to this roster. Now,
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Speaker 4: if he's trying to suggest, because the article, and I
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Speaker 4: don't know if he put the face to this article
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Speaker 4: or if somebody else put the face to the article
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Speaker 4: put cal Raleigh on there, if he's trying to suggest
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Speaker 4: that the big off season changes might have something to
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Speaker 4: do with cal Raley, he's out of his mind. There's
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Speaker 4: no way cal Raley is going to be moved from
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Speaker 4: this team. I mean it would have been insane, right,
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Speaker 4: I mean, for Jerry Depoto to have avoided as much
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Speaker 4: criticism as he's getting this year, he would have had
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Speaker 4: the crystal ball good sense.
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Speaker 2: To trade cal Raley high, Yes, like at his very highest,
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Speaker 2: when we were all saying, can you believe.
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Speaker 5: What he stole him for? In terms of a long
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Speaker 5: term contract, The greatest slugger at catcher in the history
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Speaker 5: of baseball, And yeah, if he would have had crystal
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Speaker 5: ball awareness, then he's moving cal Raley when his value
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Speaker 5: is at its highest. He would be an absolute.
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Speaker 2: Buffoon to trade cal Raley when his value would be
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Speaker 2: at its absolute lowest. Because now a year later, after
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Speaker 2: a season historic season in which and I don't think
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Speaker 2: there's been anything like it in the history of sports
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Speaker 2: that someone could drop off that much from one year
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Speaker 2: to the next, we went from can you believe that
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Speaker 2: cal agreed to that deal? Scott Boris must be fuming that.
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Speaker 2: I mean, how much would he have made if he
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Speaker 2: had held out for one more offseason on that long
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Speaker 2: term deal to suddenly much? Yeah, I mean, if this
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Speaker 2: is what he is, I mean, we're paying way too much.
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Speaker 2: And I think there a team would take him. I
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Speaker 2: think a team would say, you're not that far removed
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Speaker 2: from being the best catcher in the game. We'll take that.
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Speaker 2: We'll roll the dice on you. Dodgers would do it,
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Speaker 2: Yankees would do it, Mets would do it, Red Sox
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Speaker 2: would do it. A lot of teams would stand in
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Speaker 2: line for that. But also you would be trading him
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Speaker 2: for his lowest value because of the salary he's getting
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Speaker 2: ready to make and the season he's coming off of.
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Speaker 2: You'd be trading him at the lowest value you've ever
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Speaker 2: had cal Rawley y at, which would be insane general managership.
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Speaker 2: That'd be just terrible. So I don't think cal Raley's
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Speaker 2: in that. Josh Naylor's same thing. And even though Josh
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Speaker 2: Naylor's been picking it up as of late Andrews, he's
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Speaker 2: actually been playing really well LA guys. Yes the power
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Speaker 2: drop and some of the off field stories, and he's
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Speaker 2: also operating at a higher salary than he's ever made
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Speaker 2: it his entire life. And it's not like that he
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Speaker 2: went for a big bonanza trade from Cleveland to Arizona
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Speaker 2: or Arizona to Seattle. I mean, this is a guy
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Speaker 2: that's never really had that great of trade value. You
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Speaker 2: would basically just be punting his salary away. I think
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Speaker 2: that they're married to those two guys. They are the
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Speaker 2: foundational pieces for better or worse going forward, and they're
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Speaker 2: just going to count on the fact that they're going
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Speaker 2: to be better. There's no way they can be as
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Speaker 2: bad as what Josh Naylor was in the first half
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Speaker 2: of this this season, and there's no way cal Raley
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Speaker 2: can be as bad as he's been all season long,
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Speaker 2: and they're just gonna bank on that. Otherwise you're gonna
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Speaker 2: be trading them away for pennies on the dollar. And
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Speaker 2: then I'd add Julio Rodriguez to that conversation as well,
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Speaker 2: because even though he's been he's not quite lived up
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Speaker 2: to our extreme lofty expectations for him. He's still been
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Speaker 2: at minimum good every year and very good most of
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Speaker 2: the time that he's been here and has touched greatness,
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Speaker 2: which has made our salivary glands. You know, think that
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Speaker 2: there's forty fifty homer potential in this young man, which
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Speaker 2: there still might be before his career comes to a close.
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Speaker 2: But look, Julio Rodriguez off field isn't the nicest guy
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Speaker 2: in the world. I'm telling you that right now. He's not.
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Speaker 2: But with the fans, with the people close to him,
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's wonderful. Yeah, he is just way too
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Speaker 2: good of a piece for this franchise to move off
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Speaker 2: of in some sort of trade. So Jesse Rodgers can
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Speaker 2: suggest big offseason moves, and I do think that they're coming.
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Speaker 2: But if he's trying to lace it with the suggestions
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Speaker 2: that it's gonna be one of those three Andrews. I'm
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Speaker 2: here to tell you I don't think there's a chance
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Speaker 2: that one of those three is leaving this organization this
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Speaker 2: offseason or anytime soon.
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Speaker 3: Yeah no, I don't think that would be any realm
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Speaker 3: of possibility, no matter how poorly. If kl doesn't get
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Speaker 3: a hit for the rest of the season, which could happen,
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Speaker 3: Josh Naylor doesn't hit a home run for the rest
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Speaker 3: of the season, which could happen, I still don't see
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Speaker 3: any of those three things happening. For the first two
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Speaker 3: because you're not gonna get anything in return, you'd literally
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Speaker 3: just be getting rid of him. And the third one
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Speaker 3: because he's been one of your only consistent pieces of
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Speaker 3: both offense and defense, and that's Whilio Rodriguez, even if
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Speaker 3: he hasn't gotten to the heights that are expected slash
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Speaker 3: wanted from him. So I totally agree. The next question
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Speaker 3: for me is what does he mean by that? And
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Speaker 3: I think that could be a multitude of things. I
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Speaker 3: think the obvious one is obvious with the manager that
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Speaker 3: was reported by Bob Nightingale and the hitting coaches handing
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Speaker 3: coaches as well. But if you're looking at the roster itself,
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Speaker 3: then you're I think the most obvious one from that
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Speaker 3: would be the starting pitching staff, and you're looking at
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Speaker 3: trading one of, maybe even two of George Kirby, Bryce Miller,
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Speaker 3: Brian wu Logan Gilbert Emerson Hancock, because you have two
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Speaker 3: guys that you feel pretty good about that are, if
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Speaker 3: not ready, then very close to ready to pitching at
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Speaker 3: the major league level. So that would of course shake
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Speaker 3: things up because those guys have all been mainstays from
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Speaker 3: this team. And of course you have the impending free
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Speaker 3: agents that are Randy Rose, Arena and JP Crawford, who
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Speaker 3: have also been mainstays in this team. So yes, if
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Speaker 3: you're just looking at what the Mariners are gonna look
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Speaker 3: like in twenty twenty seven compared to twenty twenty six,
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Speaker 3: if you're trying to go through your crystal balls the
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Speaker 3: term you used earlier, then yeah, they're gonna look a
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Speaker 3: lot different just based off of the guys that are
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Speaker 3: A leaving and B. If the season kind of continues
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Speaker 3: the way it has been, there's gonna be major changes,
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Speaker 3: even at the front office or for coaching level.
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Speaker 2: I'll say yeah. I mean even if this team rallies
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Speaker 2: and wins the West and makes the playoffs and goes
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Speaker 2: to the World Series, and we won't speculate beyond that. Right,
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Speaker 2: they were gonna make these changes no matter what, and
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Speaker 2: they were going to be significant. Randy Rose Arena is gone.
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Speaker 2: He's gone gone. There is no way he's coming back.
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Speaker 2: I mean, right now, with the market for teams desperate
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Speaker 2: for right handed hitters, he's put himself up in really
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Speaker 2: good position to get a really big offer. And there
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Speaker 2: stuff that comes with Randy or Rose Arena. Number one,
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Speaker 2: you will already know this organization's not going to spend
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Speaker 2: big money on free agents beyond the age of thirty.
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Speaker 2: John Stanton does not. I mean, he hates the idea
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Speaker 2: of paying guys big money for what they've already done.
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Speaker 2: And I don't think that that's a terrible philosophy. Most
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Speaker 2: free agents crash and burn, and you end up having
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Speaker 2: to overpay guys because you think you could rekindle what
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Speaker 2: they were at twenty eight. Kyle Tucker, you know the Angels.
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Speaker 2: How many millions did they pay Albert Poohols for how
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Speaker 2: good he was as a cardinal and he never really
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Speaker 2: was that valuable of a piece for the Angels. Anthony
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Speaker 2: Rendon is still getting paid by the Angels for what
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Speaker 2: he did with the Nationals, So I don't think that's
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Speaker 2: a terrible philosophy quite frankly. Randy rose Arena is going
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Speaker 2: to get priced out of Seattle, and of course we
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Speaker 2: don't even know what to collect a bargain agreement, an
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Speaker 2: other big factor in all of this. But he's not
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Speaker 2: coming back, and there's no way they're going to deal
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Speaker 2: with some of the attitudinal things that go with Randy
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Speaker 2: or rose Arena and pay him that monster salary as well.
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Speaker 2: So he was going to be gone no matter what.
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Speaker 2: Now that's a big change. That's one example of a
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Speaker 2: big change, But that was going to happen whether this
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Speaker 2: team won or not. JP's gone, He's gone. And I
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Speaker 2: know that JP's tried to play his little violin and
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Speaker 2: pull out your heartstrings. And I want to be a
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Speaker 2: Mariner for life, but at some point you have to
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Speaker 2: be evaluated on whether or not you're a good baseball
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Speaker 2: player anymore. And he's really questionable, and he's getting slower
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Speaker 2: every single year, and slow athletes can't play shortstop. And
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Speaker 2: I don't think there's another position that he can play,
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Speaker 2: and he doesn't have enough power to be your everyday DH.
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Speaker 2: He can be in a pinch, but he's not going
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Speaker 2: to be what you sign up for as a designated hitter.
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Speaker 2: Oh he's going to be gone. So those are two
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Speaker 2: things that were going to happen anyway, and then the
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Speaker 2: third thing that was going to happen anyway. And Anders
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Speaker 2: knows this, and he's already beaten me to the punch
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Speaker 2: because we've talked about it in stove for years now,
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Speaker 2: not just this offseason. I've been talking about this for years.
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Speaker 2: Bucky never agreed with it, but I'm telling you it's happening.
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Speaker 2: They're gonna choose between Gilbert and Kirby, and I think
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Speaker 2: what they'd like to do is keep Gilbert, and I
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Speaker 2: think they would like to move Kirby this offseason. One
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Speaker 2: of them's getting traded, and I think there is a
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Speaker 2: world where two of them can get traded. But considering
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Speaker 2: how tightly they hung on to all six starting pitchers,
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Speaker 2: we're gonna piggyback before we trade one of them. I
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Speaker 2: don't think that they're going to move on from two
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Speaker 2: guys this offseason, even though sloans that we might be
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Speaker 2: in the exact same position next year in June, if
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Speaker 2: we're trying to create a space for Slow to be
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Speaker 2: part of this rotation as well. But one of them's
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Speaker 2: gone for sure. I'm pretty sure it's gonna be George Kirby.
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Speaker 2: You're gonna trade him with two years left on his deal,
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Speaker 2: which only increases his trade value, and then you get
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Speaker 2: a hitter in return. I mean, this is another thing
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Speaker 2: that I don't know why people sleep on this. They
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Speaker 2: hear they're gonna trade George Kirby, and for whatever reason,
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Speaker 2: a fan base thinks, oh, so now we're just without
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Speaker 2: George Kirby. That's why you trade him, because you get
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Speaker 2: something in return for him.
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Speaker 3: Yes, it's not just like Luis Castillo, which they did
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Speaker 3: a good job of getting something in return, but right
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Speaker 3: and for all intents and purposes, the reason they did
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Speaker 3: it was to get rid of his salary.
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Speaker 2: No, you're gonna bring in You're gonna trade George Kirby
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Speaker 2: and get a massive returns and of all and not prospects,
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Speaker 2: even though I do think that there could be a
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Speaker 2: prospect twined to it. But it's only going to be
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Speaker 2: guys that are like ready to contribute. Let me give
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Speaker 2: you an example, Joshua Bias from the Saint Louis Cardinals,
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Speaker 2: who just set three home run and his debut a
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Speaker 2: player white like I could see a Kirby to the
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Speaker 2: Cardinals for two players like that, maybe even three for
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Speaker 2: goodness sake, or Kirby for an established hitter who's under
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Speaker 2: control for more than one year himself. That's the kind
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Speaker 2: of move that you're going to make for George. With
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Speaker 2: George Kirby. But I've been saying it's going to happen
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Speaker 2: for years. That's the way they're going to do it.
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Speaker 3: Kelly Dayla Cruz for George Kirby, Well.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I knew that. I don't think they're gonna trade
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Speaker 2: him for anything now, but yes, the theory being that
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Speaker 2: you get a really good bat. I just went through
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Speaker 2: this exercise with Softy on the air the other day.
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Speaker 2: Is he's all upset about how many holes. He's already
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Speaker 2: looking forward to how many holes we're going to have
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Speaker 2: in our offense to fill for this offseason, and I
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Speaker 2: just the landscape to me doesn't look nearly as dire. Yes,
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Speaker 2: you're going to lose a rose arena. That's been the
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Speaker 2: plan all along and j But that's been the plan
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Speaker 2: all along. I mean, we've already said Julio, Naylor and
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Speaker 2: Cal are not aren't going anywhere, and hopefully they bounce
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Speaker 2: back in spectacular fashion, Cal particularly next year. But those
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Speaker 2: are your foundation for better worse. Those are your foundation pieces.
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Speaker 2: Emerson's obviously a foundation piece, and I think we're going
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Speaker 2: to get the same kind of uptick from him next
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Speaker 2: year that we saw from Cole Young. People forget Cole
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Speaker 2: Young didn't even make our playoff roster last year. He
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Speaker 2: was our starting second baseman for most of that year,
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Speaker 2: but the league caught up to him, The grind caught
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Speaker 2: up to him, and suddenly he wasn't hitting or fielding well,
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Speaker 2: and so we didn't go with him at the most
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Speaker 2: crucial time of the year. We went with Polonko at
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Speaker 2: second base, and it was a great choice, Yes it was.
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Speaker 2: And then Cole Young, all right, I got a little
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Speaker 2: taste of it, I learned some lessons. Goes back to
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Speaker 2: spring training. Look like he got a bowflex, look like
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Speaker 2: he'd added some weight, and he's been one of our
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Speaker 2: best players this year. I think Emerson's gonna do the
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Speaker 2: same thing. So Emerson and young are your middle endfield
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Speaker 2: for the next ten years. Yep, So those holes are
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Speaker 2: taken care of. I don't care what you've seen from
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Speaker 2: cold Emerson as of late. That guy's going to be
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Speaker 2: really good for a long period of time, and it's
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Speaker 2: going to start next season.
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Speaker 3: And they're gonna give him as long of a runway
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Speaker 3: as possible because they've already paid him. Yes, for sure,
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Speaker 3: there's no way that they're just gonna cut Baid after
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Speaker 3: a little bit of struggling.
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Speaker 2: So we saw everybody. You had to have seen the
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Speaker 2: promise in this young man. Yes, I mean there are
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Speaker 2: a lot of spectacular players that struggled in their first
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Speaker 2: years as major leaguers, and he showed us the promise.
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Speaker 2: We know the makeup. He's going to be fine. It's
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Speaker 2: just probably not going to be fine this year and
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Speaker 2: time to help this team this year, But by next year,
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Speaker 2: I don't see shortstop in second base being a hole
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Speaker 2: at all for this team. Brendan Donovan, he's he's back
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Speaker 2: again next year. Hopefully he's healthy next season. I don't
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Speaker 2: know if that's as a utility player. He has been
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Speaker 2: playing better third base since he came back than he
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Speaker 2: was earlier in the year. I think Canzone has proven
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Speaker 2: that he deserves everyday reps. Do you know he's not
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Speaker 2: only hitting lefties, he is killing leftists roy this year,
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Speaker 2: So I think he's your everyday right fielder. He probably
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Speaker 2: shouldn't be our three to four hole hitter, but he's
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Speaker 2: that out of necessity because of how bad Cole's been.
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Speaker 2: And Las Montes is at thirty six home runs in
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Speaker 2: the minor leagues this year. That's also another piece. So
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Speaker 2: if you dabble it all in free agency, you really
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Speaker 2: have left field and third base. Those are the two
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Speaker 2: things that you've got to figure out between now and
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Speaker 2: next season. So does that constitute a big offseason? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: I think it does. Finding a replacement for Randy Rose, Arena,
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Speaker 2: saying goodbye to JP Crawford, trading George Kirby, or a
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Speaker 2: massive haul in return, activating Kate Anderson to be a
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Speaker 2: part of this starting rotation, reworking the bullpen that and
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Speaker 2: they do that every off season. So yeah, I think
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Speaker 2: it's going to be a big off season. But and then,
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Speaker 2: depending on what happens the rest of the year, you
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Speaker 2: could have a new manager, a new offensive system, a
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Speaker 2: new hitting coach, new hitting instructor. And that's also massive
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Speaker 2: change to the organization. So if you keep it in
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Speaker 2: that box, that's a lot. But it's also was going
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Speaker 2: to happen whether we won this year or not. We
19:41
Speaker 2: were in store for a big off season no matter
19:45
Speaker 2: how this year unfolded. So I mean, maybe Jesse Rodgers
19:51
Speaker 2: is sitting on more information than I know, but it's
19:55
Speaker 2: hard for me to believe it's going to be anything
19:58
Speaker 2: bigger than what Anders and I just described, right, right.
20:01
Speaker 3: And I I and that doesn't even include Michael Arroyo,
20:03
Speaker 3: who's crushing it at the minor league. Think he'll be traded,
20:07
Speaker 3: you think, so, yeah, trade piece.
20:08
Speaker 2: I think he'll be in a trade Okay somewhere as well.
20:11
Speaker 3: But I mean there's there's And you never want to
20:13
Speaker 3: rely on prospects to come up and help your big
20:16
Speaker 3: league team in a window, right, That's that's not something
20:19
Speaker 3: you can constantly just be like, oh, we'll fill our
20:22
Speaker 3: gaps with whoever we have in the system. Right, you're
20:24
Speaker 3: gonna you're gonna go out and find something, And especially
20:26
Speaker 3: for making those trades that you're looking.
20:27
Speaker 2: At, you want to fill four holes of rookies because
20:30
Speaker 2: they're not going to all work out. If you're lucky
20:32
Speaker 2: one of them does exactly, exactly, you know what I mean.
20:35
Speaker 2: But Arroyo, they are playing in left field for a reason, right,
20:38
Speaker 2: He's blocked at second base. Got news for you, Paul
20:41
Speaker 2: Young's our second base really for a long time, for
20:46
Speaker 2: the probably the rest of my life. Yeah, Cold Emerson's
20:49
Speaker 2: the shortstop, and Arroyo, they're not trying him out at third,
20:53
Speaker 2: they're trying him in left field. Yeah, so maybe that,
20:57
Speaker 2: but I think he's a really monster trade candidate this
21:01
Speaker 2: offseason as well. So suddenly you know, you map it
21:04
Speaker 2: out the holes. There aren't as many holes as what
21:07
Speaker 2: you think. There are no holes in the starting rotation.
21:10
Speaker 2: The bullpen always has work that needs to be done
21:13
Speaker 2: every off season. Like a sports car. You got to
21:15
Speaker 2: bring that every off season into the garage and tinker
21:19
Speaker 2: around with it and get it operating again at max abilities.
21:23
Speaker 2: And the offense, the foundation is set. Kyle Naylor, Young, Emerson, Julio,
21:29
Speaker 2: that's your foundation. Donovan will be around, Canzone will be around.
21:33
Speaker 2: Montees is probably due a promotion, if not at the
21:37
Speaker 2: beginning of the year, at some point near the beginning
21:41
Speaker 2: of the year, and then you've got the ability to
21:44
Speaker 2: make a couple of trades, and you cleared up twenty
21:47
Speaker 2: four million dollars for free agency by getting rid of
21:50
Speaker 2: Luis Castillo. So yeah, it's going to be a big
21:53
Speaker 2: off season, but nothing that we didn't see three years ago.
21:57
Speaker 2: All right, coming up next on the radio show, Uh
22:00
Speaker 2: college football? Did the AP do it again? Oh? Those
22:05
Speaker 2: sons of guns? Did they just map out this season perfectly?
22:08
Speaker 2: We'll talk about it next. Sports Radio ninety three point
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Speaker 2: Say I can get Andrews to buy it. Oh hey,
22:40
Speaker 2: John Schneider, how you doing? Oh? Where is he having
22:43
Speaker 2: a good walk? Oh?
22:44
Speaker 1: John?
22:45
Speaker 2: Hey, my co man? Flowers again today?
22:49
Speaker 3: You shouldn't have every day?
22:51
Speaker 2: Is it? Every day? Every day? Every day?
22:53
Speaker 3: What kind of flowers?
22:54
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, nothing, nothing silly? Okay, you know, just
22:58
Speaker 2: like the type of one that say you're my best friend,
23:01
Speaker 2: thanks for being here. All done? Yeah, that sort of thing.
23:04
Speaker 3: I mean, you're gonna be on a Hard Knocks tonight.
23:06
Speaker 2: Uh if not blown opportunity Hard Knocks. I want to
23:12
Speaker 2: see your ratings sore.
23:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, seriously, Hey, oh my gosh.
23:16
Speaker 2: Look JSN brought me a sandwich again every morning? Did
23:20
Speaker 2: I play it off like I'm at the BMAC. Yeah,
23:23
Speaker 2: it sounds like sounds about right.
23:24
Speaker 3: We're just missing the the sound of the lawnmower in
23:28
Speaker 3: the background.
23:28
Speaker 2: That's true, that's true, getting way too close. Jessmen's out there.
23:32
Speaker 2: She does a good lawnmower, doesn't she. She's like Michael
23:34
Speaker 2: Winslow from Police Academy. Yeah, now that should predate you.
23:40
Speaker 2: But I don't know. Have you seen the piece that
23:42
Speaker 2: like bit.
23:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so I had seen like the actual show,
23:46
Speaker 3: but yeah, or movie.
23:48
Speaker 2: He can pretty much mimic anything, fair enough. Yeah, all right, Well,
23:52
Speaker 2: good morning to you. I am not pull back the
23:55
Speaker 2: curtain at the Virginia Mason Athletics Center. I was supposed
23:57
Speaker 2: to be, but we had some technical stuff so I
24:01
Speaker 2: ended up in a studio. But the rest of the
24:03
Speaker 2: broadcast day will be spent our final day of training
24:07
Speaker 2: camp coverage. So starting with Greg at ten o'clock, so enjoy.
24:11
Speaker 2: We did get Bud clark On, and I do want
24:13
Speaker 2: to thank the Seahawks for all their hospitality. We've had
24:16
Speaker 2: a great time out there at the Virginia Mason Athletics Center.
24:19
Speaker 2: And today training camp coverage comes to a close, but
24:22
Speaker 2: preseason coverage March is on, and so we will talk
24:26
Speaker 2: just as much the Awks football as we did while
24:28
Speaker 2: we were there going forward. But tomorrow I'm going to
24:30
Speaker 2: be at Husky's Camp. So two days at Husky's Camp.
24:34
Speaker 2: I've got all sorts of special co hosts and guests
24:37
Speaker 2: that are going to join us on the radio program
24:40
Speaker 2: the next couple of days. So excited to get out
24:42
Speaker 2: to Montlake and talk some Huskies football the next couple
24:46
Speaker 2: of days. As a matter of fact, as a preview,
24:49
Speaker 2: the Associated Press came out with its top twenty five poll.
24:53
Speaker 2: It is the real poll. And I do love polls.
24:55
Speaker 2: I know some people have such a problem with them.
24:58
Speaker 2: Ashley Brady, Brady Quinn, what's wrong with polls? I love polls, Softy,
25:04
Speaker 2: something to talk about. Cam Cleveland hates polls. I love polls.
25:08
Speaker 2: I love polls. Yeah, I mean not trip Poles. Yeah,
25:10
Speaker 2: I mean the North Pole. I love I love that story.
25:15
Speaker 2: You keep doing what you're doing, Sanny. You're doing a
25:17
Speaker 2: great job. You're killing it, buddy. But I mean you
25:23
Speaker 2: got to just keep in mind what they are when
25:25
Speaker 2: they used to, like in part, determine the champion. Yeah,
25:31
Speaker 2: that's a problem, but we have a tournament now, and
25:34
Speaker 2: so the preseason polls just kind of activate conversation. And
25:38
Speaker 2: here's the conversation that I read into yesterday's first AP
25:42
Speaker 2: poll of the year, and that is that they are
25:47
Speaker 2: certainly acknowledging that the Big ten is right there, if
25:53
Speaker 2: not above the sec. So that's the first thing that
25:57
Speaker 2: you notice from it. Then the the second thing that
26:01
Speaker 2: you notice from it is the AP has drawn clear
26:04
Speaker 2: and definitive lines in the sand between who's on the
26:07
Speaker 2: top shelf, who's on the second shelf, who's on the
26:11
Speaker 2: third shelf, and then everybody else. This is a four
26:16
Speaker 2: shelf bookcase right here. And so as we get ready
26:20
Speaker 2: for the brand new season, they're telling you Ohio State
26:24
Speaker 2: at one, Oregon two, and Indiana at six, and then
26:28
Speaker 2: you go all the way down before another Big ten
26:32
Speaker 2: team at fourteen gets mentioned, and then you have USC
26:36
Speaker 2: at fourteen, Michigan at sixteen, Washington at seventeen, and Penn
26:43
Speaker 2: State at eighteen. That's them telling you that's shelf number two.
26:48
Speaker 2: And then Iowa is at twenty two. And even though
26:53
Speaker 2: that's pretty close to shelf number two, and maybe Iowa
26:56
Speaker 2: would argue that puts us on shelf number two. Possibly,
27:00
Speaker 2: I kind of read it as you're on shelf number three,
27:03
Speaker 2: but you'll be the first one we invite to shelf
27:05
Speaker 2: number two if you do some something special at the
27:07
Speaker 2: beginning of the year. Sure, but I think that they've
27:11
Speaker 2: there are some pretty clear lines that they have decided
27:13
Speaker 2: that Ohio State, Oregon, and Indiana are going to ue
27:17
Speaker 2: for a national championship this year. USC Michigan and Washington
27:21
Speaker 2: and Penn State are going to vie for a playoff
27:23
Speaker 2: spot this year. And that's about as much as they
27:25
Speaker 2: can expect. Iowa is your sleeper in that group. And
27:30
Speaker 2: then there's the rest of the Big Ten Conference. And
27:33
Speaker 2: it's getting a little easier in the NIL era to
27:40
Speaker 2: sort of forecast this stuff. I mean, Clemson got overrated
27:45
Speaker 2: year after year after year for the last three years,
27:47
Speaker 2: and they're not doing that again. And they'll be a
27:50
Speaker 2: couple of teams that crap the bad sure, and they'll
27:53
Speaker 2: be a couple of teams that do surprise us, but
27:55
Speaker 2: I think fewer and fewer as the years go on.
27:58
Speaker 2: I mean, there's some pretty obvious elements of demarcation here.
28:04
Speaker 2: Anders in college football these days a little easier to
28:08
Speaker 2: forecast what's going to be going to happen, and I
28:12
Speaker 2: think that's pretty clear cut as to what we can
28:15
Speaker 2: expect to occur this upcoming seas.
28:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, if nothing else, it's just showing us that it's
28:22
Speaker 3: it's the SEC in Big Ten and everybody else at
28:24
Speaker 3: this point, which yeah, Notre Dame, which I do find
28:28
Speaker 3: it funny how they are what third or fourth in
28:32
Speaker 3: the poll or fourth and they got first place votes
28:35
Speaker 3: but the third place team did not. Doesn't that tell
28:40
Speaker 3: you that?
28:41
Speaker 2: Like Indiana got first place votes? Yeah, six eight, and
28:44
Speaker 2: yet they're six yeah. Yeah. And I heard a conversation
28:47
Speaker 2: this morning where they were debating did they get disrespected? Well, look,
28:52
Speaker 2: they've been bad forever, yeah, and now they're great. But
28:58
Speaker 2: to repeat greatness, that's the next thing that he's going
29:02
Speaker 2: to have to prove. Signette's going to have to have
29:04
Speaker 2: to prove to everybody. And I'm going to tell you
29:07
Speaker 2: this right now. This is just like with the Seahawks.
29:11
Speaker 2: Kurt Signetti does not want to be number one, No,
29:14
Speaker 2: he does not. He loves that he's number six, like
29:18
Speaker 2: respect shown, but the expectations aren't. So he can still
29:25
Speaker 2: sort of fly under the radar. He can still use
29:28
Speaker 2: that as fuel to his players that they're being overlooked.
29:32
Speaker 2: And so he loves that. And I'm telling you this,
29:34
Speaker 2: Mike McDonald loves that the Rams are getting all the attention.
29:38
Speaker 3: Right, yes he does.
29:39
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to be the team that's considered. He
29:41
Speaker 2: wants the Rams to be considered like, you don't win
29:43
Speaker 2: the super Bowl and you have failed miserably. I already
29:47
Speaker 2: got one in my back pocket, Like so I promise you.
29:51
Speaker 2: Kurt Signetti loves that spot right there at number six,
29:55
Speaker 2: you know, and that does put them in the upper echelon.
29:58
Speaker 3: The twenty ten Eagles, the dream team that just everyone
30:02
Speaker 3: was all in on and they thought would be the
30:04
Speaker 3: biggest deal in the NFL, and then they went like
30:07
Speaker 3: seven to nine or something like that.
30:08
Speaker 2: Just like what, yeah, well that'd be great.
30:12
Speaker 3: Yeah.
30:14
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I want the Rams to
30:15
Speaker 2: go seven and nine. Yeah. I know there's a seventeen
30:18
Speaker 2: game schedule, but that's the point. I want them to
30:21
Speaker 2: go seven and nine and be so thoroughly disgusted that
30:23
Speaker 2: they don't even they don't even play the game. We're
30:28
Speaker 2: not even gonna show up. Well, we give up.
30:32
Speaker 3: I would love for that to happen, especially with how
30:35
Speaker 3: much they've you know, invested in this year specifically.
30:39
Speaker 2: So I mean, once upon a time college football, you
30:44
Speaker 2: never knew when you were gonna have that Northwestern story
30:47
Speaker 2: with not Pat Fitzgerald the head coach, but Fat's Pat
30:50
Speaker 2: Fitzgerald the linebacker back in the back in the day,
30:53
Speaker 2: when they came out of nowhere and won the Big Ten.
30:55
Speaker 2: I don't know if we'll see that again. I don't
30:58
Speaker 2: know we're gonna see I mean we just saw Indiana
31:01
Speaker 2: was Indiana version of that. Well, but that was a
31:04
Speaker 2: progressive I mean yeah, I guess it was two years ago,
31:08
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, to turn it around that quickly. Yes, yeah,
31:12
Speaker 2: it still exists. Sure, I don't know if it's going
31:15
Speaker 2: to exist as frequently as it once did, you know.
31:20
Speaker 2: But I will say this that I think that they've
31:24
Speaker 2: got it right. I think there are three teams in
31:26
Speaker 2: this conference that are going to vibe that I would
31:29
Speaker 2: be surprised if they don't make the tournament yep, and
31:32
Speaker 2: all will have a shot at the national title. And
31:35
Speaker 2: those are the three that they've ranked. And then I
31:37
Speaker 2: think there are four teams that got a shot at
31:40
Speaker 2: the playoffs, but probably only one of the four is
31:44
Speaker 2: going to crack the playoffs. And then there are gonna
31:48
Speaker 2: be a sleeper group, probably led by Iowa. I think
31:52
Speaker 2: they nailed it. That's my expectations upcoming season. Yeah, the
31:56
Speaker 2: shelves are in order, the books have been placed, and
32:01
Speaker 2: now let's play some college football. And now let's hope
32:03
Speaker 2: we do have one of those stories that does surprise us,
32:07
Speaker 2: because that's what sports is all about. All right. Coming
32:10
Speaker 2: up next, we get set for a huge series in Wisconsin.
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Speaker 2: All right, coming up, Brian Healy at nine o'clock. We'll
32:52
Speaker 2: get his thoughts on a number of different to Mariner's topics.
32:55
Speaker 2: He joins us every Tuesday at nine and when I say,
32:58
Speaker 2: I mean Ashley and I but she's out today. Andrews
33:01
Speaker 2: Hurst is in today for Ashley and so great, great,
33:08
Speaker 2: a lot of Andrews here in the next few days.
33:10
Speaker 2: We got our camp battle coming up also in the
33:12
Speaker 2: nine o'clock hour. But a big series starts tonight. They're
33:16
Speaker 2: all big. Let's face it. Every game is big right
33:18
Speaker 2: now for the Mariners. I don't think it's going to
33:20
Speaker 2: capture White Sox Cubs last night, but we need to
33:25
Speaker 2: play with the edge that we played with in Houston
33:27
Speaker 2: and we'll see if they can sustain that going forward.
33:31
Speaker 2: The Milwaukee Brewers have a record of seventy seven and
33:34
Speaker 2: forty eight that is the best in all of baseball.
33:38
Speaker 2: How did they do it year after year? How does
33:41
Speaker 2: Pat Murphy get his team with its low payroll to
33:45
Speaker 2: be among the best in Major League baseball? Well, it's
33:50
Speaker 2: sort of a dirt bag college baseball mentality they play with.
33:54
Speaker 2: And it's not that they don't have major league talent.
33:56
Speaker 2: They have lots of talent there with Milwaukee, but they
34:00
Speaker 2: fill in the cracks with just ballplayers. I mean, you
34:03
Speaker 2: saw what kind of a difference. Brock Rodden made it
34:06
Speaker 2: five seven one seventy this past series. Well, the Brewers
34:11
Speaker 2: have like thirty four brock Rodens on their team.
34:14
Speaker 3: They really do.
34:15
Speaker 2: Everybody gets their uniform dirty, everybody has the ability to
34:19
Speaker 2: put the ball in play, everybody can work account, everybody
34:24
Speaker 2: can steal a base. That's the way they operate. Now
34:27
Speaker 2: it hasn't benefited them in the playoffs. I mean, it
34:30
Speaker 2: kind of looks like postseason is one with starting pitching
34:36
Speaker 2: and home runs and relief pitching. You better have a
34:39
Speaker 2: good bullpen as well. But in the regular season, over
34:43
Speaker 2: the course of one hundred and sixty two games, when
34:46
Speaker 2: you just swarm of gnats a team every single night,
34:50
Speaker 2: turns out you can win a lot of baseball games.
34:52
Speaker 3: They can't absolutely and then especially when you have you know,
34:56
Speaker 3: Jacob Mizerowski, Well that.
34:58
Speaker 2: Helps do and we we will miss the miss this series,
35:03
Speaker 2: so that's a good thing. We're gonna face left hander
35:06
Speaker 2: Kyle Harrison tonight, who got off to a smoking start.
35:09
Speaker 2: He's cooled down a little bit, right hander Dustin May
35:12
Speaker 2: who they picked up at the trading deadline, and then
35:14
Speaker 2: left hander Robert Gasser, who is the weakest of their five,
35:17
Speaker 2: but he's actually been pretty decent this season. Because everybody
35:21
Speaker 2: on the Brewers is decent. You know, every single year
35:25
Speaker 2: this happens that the Brewers end up decent, and so
35:29
Speaker 2: they're just a tough team to beat over the course
35:33
Speaker 2: of nine innings. And they've proven that year after year.
35:37
Speaker 2: They are a team that has six guys with ten
35:40
Speaker 2: stolen bases or more. We have three. They're fifth though
35:44
Speaker 2: in stolen bases, we're thirteenth. Aufish isn't bad, middle of
35:49
Speaker 2: the pack, but they have just a lot of guys.
35:52
Speaker 2: They just be hive view. I mean, we've got two
35:54
Speaker 2: guys over twenty. They only have one, but they have
35:56
Speaker 2: six over ten. So it's just like a lot of
35:58
Speaker 2: guys can Steele base For the Milwaukee Brewers. On base percentage,
36:05
Speaker 2: we've actually gone up a little bit. We're up to
36:07
Speaker 2: twenty fifth. I know, break out the champagne. I like that.
36:16
Speaker 3: Yeah.
36:17
Speaker 2: And we got five guys three that are semi regulars
36:20
Speaker 2: that have a three to twenty nine on base percentage
36:23
Speaker 2: or more. And that includes Brendan Donovan who's back who
36:26
Speaker 2: hasn't been available to us and that has hurt us. Yep,
36:30
Speaker 2: they have seven. They have seven at three twenty nine
36:33
Speaker 2: or over that are semi regulars, they're third in baseball
36:37
Speaker 2: and on base we're twenty fifth. They're seventh in batting average.
36:40
Speaker 2: That are also known for putting the ball in play.
36:42
Speaker 3: So wait, they take walks and they put the ball
36:44
Speaker 3: in play.
36:44
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. We are twenty eighth in
36:49
Speaker 2: batting average. As a matter of fact, I do want
36:50
Speaker 2: to look that up because I didn't look that up.
36:53
Speaker 2: I do want to see where they are in strikeouts
36:57
Speaker 2: in the league, because my guess is they're pretty good
36:59
Speaker 2: at not breaking out. Let's see where are they? Why
37:04
Speaker 2: is this taking so long? Now? As as I thought, fifteenth, yeah,
37:08
Speaker 2: fifteenth and the Mariners are eighteenth, So not that big
37:12
Speaker 2: of a difference between the two. But here's another thing
37:17
Speaker 2: that they do. Obviously, they don't spend big on payroll,
37:20
Speaker 2: and maybe it does cost them. Maybe it does cost
37:22
Speaker 2: them in the postseason to not have a couple of
37:25
Speaker 2: those veteran, proven paid aircraft carriers, as Dan O'Dowd calls
37:30
Speaker 2: them in their lineup, because they do struggle to win
37:34
Speaker 2: a series, much less get all the way to the
37:37
Speaker 2: World Series when it comes to postseason time. But what
37:41
Speaker 2: they do in keeping their payroll low. They do find
37:45
Speaker 2: ways to nickel and din you. And then they always
37:48
Speaker 2: seem to have these one or two guys that do
37:52
Speaker 2: more than they ever should have.
37:54
Speaker 3: They have career years, the Jake Bauers of the world.
37:57
Speaker 2: And this year's example is four former Mariner Jake Bowers,
38:04
Speaker 2: who right now I don't understand, and I want you
38:08
Speaker 2: to think about this, because our best player, oh god,
38:13
Speaker 2: our best player has a five sixty eight OPS on paper.
38:20
Speaker 2: He hasn't been our best player this year, this year yet,
38:22
Speaker 2: but our face of our franchise has a five to
38:26
Speaker 2: sixty eight OPS. That And for those who don't know,
38:29
Speaker 2: that's just average, excuse me. On basin slugging combined, on
38:34
Speaker 2: basin slugging combined gives you your OPS. Jake Bowers is
38:38
Speaker 2: eight eighty four. I think he's one of the best
38:43
Speaker 2: hitters in baseball. Yes he is, Jake Bowers.
38:46
Speaker 3: Jake Bower, the one that wore the Mariner uniform in
38:48
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one and when he.
38:49
Speaker 2: Showed up and I said, I've always kind of liked
38:51
Speaker 2: it this guy, but he's never been able to put
38:53
Speaker 2: it together. Maybe he can do it here. Well, he
38:56
Speaker 2: didn't do it here, but he's doing it in Milwaukee
38:59
Speaker 2: this year. I mean he's got I mean, Dom can
39:03
Speaker 2: Zone's got our best ops eight thirty one. This guy's
39:06
Speaker 2: at eight eighty four, right, and Dom's had a pretty
39:09
Speaker 2: good year. So I don't know what that voodoo that
39:12
Speaker 2: they do so well, but every single year the Milwaukee
39:15
Speaker 2: Brewers just they've got a formula. They scout well, they
39:19
Speaker 2: develop well. They also have one of the top three
39:21
Speaker 2: farm systems in the sport too, so they're they're not
39:24
Speaker 2: done winning anytime soon, but they cannot translate it to
39:28
Speaker 2: the playoffs. We'll see if this year is going to
39:30
Speaker 2: be any differently.
39:31
Speaker 3: But yeah, like the ghost of Gary Sanchez, Yeah somehow
39:36
Speaker 3: still being a really good hitter for them.
39:38
Speaker 1: What.
39:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they haven't solved the playoffs, But we're not
39:42
Speaker 2: in the playoffs, are we. We're in the regular season,
39:45
Speaker 2: which is something they have solved. So in other words,
39:47
Speaker 2: pack a lunch. This is going to be a battle
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Speaker 2: for the next three days, whether we face them or not,
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Speaker 2: which we don't. This is going to be a battle
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Speaker 2: and winning series. Like yeah, if you just keep on
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Speaker 2: winning series to get through this gauntlet of teams, it
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Speaker 2: does loosen up in September and maybe you can pull
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Speaker 2: off a few sweeps and maybe you can get a
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Speaker 2: winning streak. But this is one of those series where man,
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Speaker 2: I will gladly take two out of three. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 2: if you can pull that out in Wisconsin.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and like even if you find a way, maybe
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Speaker 3: you win one against the Brewers and then you know,
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Speaker 3: take two out of three on the weekend and have
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Speaker 3: a three and three week I'm probably okay with you.
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Speaker 2: You're probably okay to that as well. Yeah, well, I
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Speaker 2: mean it's it's winning time. It is. We have dug
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Speaker 2: a hole for ourselves. So I don't know how many
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Speaker 2: more series you can lose and still get where you
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Speaker 2: want to go. But it ain't gonna be easy for
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Speaker 2: a while. Ryan Healy's gonna join us. We'll talk to
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Speaker 2: him about the Brewers and so many other topics. Sports
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