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Ross Fulton Analysis: Why Ohio State's Offense Struggled In The Red Zone · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyes tomorrow morning for when to say September
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  Speaker 1: seventeenth of your host Tom Moore, the Washington game in
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  Speaker 1: ten days, the game against Michigan in seventy three days.
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  Speaker 1: Today we're looking at the Ohio State Buckeyes and their
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  Speaker 1: performance against the Ohio Bobcats on the offensive side of
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  Speaker 1: the ball.
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  Speaker 2: Doing that with our buddy.
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  Speaker 1: Ross Fulton, the ex's and o'sguru buckeyehuddle dot com and
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  Speaker 1: to start. There was plenty of good news in the
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State Buckeyes win over Ohio thirty seven to nine.
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  Speaker 2: Comfortable win, but a little more drama.
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  Speaker 1: Filled than people were probably hoping for, at least for
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  Speaker 1: the first thirty two or so minutes of the game.
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  Speaker 1: One of the reasons for that is Ohio State was
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  Speaker 1: so dominant statistically in terms of yardage in the first half.
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  Speaker 1: They were up two hundred and sixty to thirty or
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  Speaker 1: something like that at one point, and the scoreboards and
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  Speaker 1: six nothing. And one of the reasons was they kept
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  Speaker 1: bogging down in the red zone. So we're gonna start
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  Speaker 1: with the bad news. Then we'll get to some of
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  Speaker 1: the fun stuff a little later on. But you got
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  Speaker 1: to eat your vegetables first. Ross, Let's start with some
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  Speaker 1: of the vegetables. What what was the issue with.
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  Speaker 2: The running game, especially in the red zone.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's like, you know, I think if
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  Speaker 3: you weren't actually watching the game, and I'm guessing like
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  Speaker 3: in the national college Football conversation, like not a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people were turning into peacock for the Ohio State
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  Speaker 3: to Ou game at night on Saturday. You know, it
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  Speaker 3: looks like, oh, I say, must have been sloppy, but
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  Speaker 3: they weren't actually sloppy per se. Right, Like, it's hard
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  Speaker 3: to gain to almost six hundred yards and only score
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  Speaker 3: thirty seven points, Like you have to really try to
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  Speaker 3: do that. It's really like solely a red zone issue
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  Speaker 3: run game. There's a couple of things going on, so
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  Speaker 3: you know, we're getting a lot of these like the
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  Speaker 3: first one here, this is the first drive. You know,
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  Speaker 3: they get inside the Great Justice first and goal from
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  Speaker 3: the ten. I think Brian Day said after the game that,
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  Speaker 3: like you know when your first and goal and got
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  Speaker 3: to gain ten yards, like you got to be on point.
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  Speaker 3: They had a couple of those situations where they were not.
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  Speaker 3: And this is like something OU is doing. You know,
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  Speaker 3: we talked about High State is running a lot more
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  Speaker 3: gap plays this year than they have in the past, right,
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  Speaker 3: maybe sort of a continuation of the playoff, and so
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  Speaker 3: teams are starting to adjust to that.
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  Speaker 4: So this is one back power.
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  Speaker 3: And what OU was doing a lot of up front
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  Speaker 3: was they were running a lot of like stunts, you know,
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  Speaker 3: or pinching their ends inside and they're just trying to
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  Speaker 3: you know, when you see down blocks, you're just trying
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  Speaker 3: to clog up lanes, which is what happens here. So
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  Speaker 3: the guy shoots inside of Will Cosmeric, he knocks tegro
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  Speaker 3: off his pulling lane, the backside guard and so the
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  Speaker 3: linebackers you're sitting there in the hole unblocked, right, Like
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  Speaker 3: that's who who the backside guards responsible for? This is
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  Speaker 3: eleven personnel but it's a tight bunch set, so the
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  Speaker 3: same principle lies. Like High State has been using a
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  Speaker 3: lot of this, like tights or twelve or thirteen. I
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  Speaker 3: think it's getting a little overboard, to be frank, both
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  Speaker 3: just in terms of the personnel choices, and we can
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  Speaker 3: talk about that more, but like what they're doing by
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  Speaker 3: bringing everyone close, right, you can cut off pursuit, but
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  Speaker 3: it also gives you like blocks on the edge that
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  Speaker 3: you have to perform because that also pulls defenders in
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  Speaker 3: and you're just kind of like they're just getting guys
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  Speaker 3: in the wash coming in from from the edges or
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  Speaker 3: dbs that are brought into the box because of it,
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  Speaker 3: that are making plays. And so again, like anything else,
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  Speaker 3: like there's a balance to this. You know, it's not
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  Speaker 3: like they're like in twelve and thirteen all the time.
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  Speaker 3: I think, you know, it's still probably like thirty to
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  Speaker 3: forty percent of the time, but it's certainly more than
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  Speaker 3: they have in the past. And I just think that
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  Speaker 3: they maybe pushed it a little too far on Saturday,
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  Speaker 3: and that caused some of the problems with the run game,
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  Speaker 3: just in terms of as I say, like getting extra
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  Speaker 3: bodies in there and then like the pollers identifying. Because
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  Speaker 3: of that, who to pick up you know, how to
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  Speaker 3: cut off the edges, especially when guys are seeing those
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  Speaker 3: blocks and shooting inside. But you know, again, so like
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  Speaker 3: first drive, this said, they start out with two runs
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  Speaker 3: that basically get them get them nowhere, and that put
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  Speaker 3: them on the eight ball, and that that first series, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and then later on this was in the second quarter,
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  Speaker 1: and this is one another one.
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  Speaker 2: CJ.
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  Speaker 1: Donaldson really gets stuffed at the goal line. And this
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  Speaker 1: is one where you know, he hits the hole and
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  Speaker 1: there is an unblocked defender right there, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: to his credit, this is a heck of a form tackle.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that I'd want to be going one
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  Speaker 1: on one with CJ. Donaldson, but he gets absolutely stone
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  Speaker 1: walled here, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Is this is this kind of the same issue.
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  Speaker 3: It's sort of same in the sense like, okay, so
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  Speaker 3: again we're we're now even lower, right, we're down at
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  Speaker 3: the two and how states we're speaking these like heavier
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  Speaker 3: and heavier sets, right, So this is I guess you
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  Speaker 3: would say it's technically thirteen because you have David Addolf
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  Speaker 3: the walk on wide receiver on the backside.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe because Brenda Christian was out. But you know you
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  Speaker 4: got this I formation.
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  Speaker 3: We're running power, right, so we're going to kick out
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  Speaker 3: number two on the edge here, we're gonna pull the
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  Speaker 3: backside guard here, it's Ethan Oneadwill and actually it's executing.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone's going to block down and it's actually executed. Well, right,
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  Speaker 3: we get the kickout, he picks up the place sid linebacker.
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  Speaker 3: The problem is that, like I can use the end
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  Speaker 3: zone view here because this is literally everyone on the
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  Speaker 3: field right. There's there's no wide receivers, there's no Jeremi spid,
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  Speaker 3: there's no Carneal tape.
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  Speaker 4: So we got.
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  Speaker 3: Eleven guys for High State in this screenshot, in eleven
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  Speaker 3: for OU and as we talked about, like basic arithmetic,
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  Speaker 3: when the quarterback hands off the ball, his counterpart is unblocked. Right,
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  Speaker 3: So we've got a backside safety here at number five
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  Speaker 3: who there's just there's no blocker who can account for
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  Speaker 3: that right now. I would like it is a good tackle.
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  Speaker 3: If I was in the film room with CJ. Donaldson,
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  Speaker 3: I would say, you're two hundred and thirty pounds springing
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  Speaker 3: against a mac safety, like you should not get blown
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  Speaker 3: up backwards, Like that's your guy, you need to run
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  Speaker 3: him over in the end zone.
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  Speaker 4: And like to C. J.
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  Speaker 3: Donaldson's credit, I'm sure he heard it on the sideline
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  Speaker 3: because later in the game he had a there was
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  Speaker 3: a similar like third and short where they ran power
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  Speaker 3: again and there's a guy the hole and he knocked him.
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  Speaker 4: Over for a first down. So like, you know, again
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  Speaker 4: live and learn.
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  Speaker 3: But like, if you're gonna get in these heavy sets,
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  Speaker 3: like the running back has to account for somebody, and
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  Speaker 3: like especially if you're kind of the short yardage guy, uh,
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  Speaker 3: you need to not get blown backwards. But again, they
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  Speaker 3: were sort of I think a general and you know,
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  Speaker 3: we can kind of keep going into this like they
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  Speaker 3: weren't I think the general play calling. They kind of
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  Speaker 3: have to decide what they want to do in the
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  Speaker 3: red zone because there was sort of a Hodge podget
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  Speaker 3: like some of the heavy stuff. Then they go back
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  Speaker 3: to the wide receivers, and they weren't really like setting
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  Speaker 3: things up right. Like, for instance, if you get in
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  Speaker 3: this and you're getting guys flying downhill like this, maybe
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  Speaker 3: you get in this heavy set again and you throw
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  Speaker 3: a heavy hard play action passed the tight end off
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  Speaker 3: of it. Right, it's kind of obvious when they're depending
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  Speaker 3: who what personnel is in there, what they're going to
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  Speaker 3: do at the moment, and they're like not sequencing things.
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  Speaker 3: So that's that's a little bit of it. But again,
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  Speaker 3: like we'll talk about it here. You know, if you
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  Speaker 3: you're not going to run the quarterback, you're gonna be
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  Speaker 3: down numbers in the red zone. You gotta be you
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  Speaker 3: got to run it well, which they've done in the past,
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  Speaker 3: Like I this is they scored in the situation in
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  Speaker 3: Texas was very similar. You know, circumstances or you got
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  Speaker 3: to be on point throwing it, and they just they
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  Speaker 3: just weren't on Julian Sand like, was not quite on
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  Speaker 3: point throwing it in these low red zone opportunities.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and that's where we're going to go with the
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  Speaker 1: next two because if you can't run the ball in
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  Speaker 1: the end zone, everyone goes, well, why don't you just
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  Speaker 1: throw it to Jeremiah Smith. Okay, Well on the next
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  Speaker 1: two they're actually going to throw it to Jeremiah Smith and.
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  Speaker 2: They don't complete either of these.
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  Speaker 1: So what's the uh the first one a little more
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  Speaker 1: of a crossing route and we'll get to the fade next.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So again here, so we're in low red zone.
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  Speaker 3: But we go back to eleven personnel, right, this is
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  Speaker 3: first down, and they decide to run this uh you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's kind of like a meshro oute like Frosters.
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  Speaker 4: Twice has happened.
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  Speaker 3: Happened on the first Drive two where they had a
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  Speaker 3: guide to the flat wide open. It was Donaldson on
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  Speaker 3: the first series, and here it's Brendan Innis. Now I'm
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  Speaker 3: not gonna like, I don't know the progression on this
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  Speaker 3: on either of them necessarily, right, So it's like always
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  Speaker 3: easy in hindsight to say, like, oh, well, that guy's open,
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  Speaker 3: like you should have thrown it to him, Like it
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  Speaker 3: depends what Julian sanin' is supposed to be reading. Obviously,
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  Speaker 3: what he's looking at is Jeremi Smith running the crossing
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  Speaker 3: around here, right, but again because oh you they're in man,
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  Speaker 3: but they're dropping these sort of got robbers right that
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  Speaker 3: take away those crossers, and eventually, like Jeremi Smith does
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  Speaker 3: come open. And again this is like sort of eerily
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  Speaker 3: similar to the first series where they got to stopped
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  Speaker 3: where Donaldson was open. Then as as like staying goes
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  Speaker 3: to buy time, they colonel take him open there and
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  Speaker 3: Smith's going to come in open here, but the problem
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  Speaker 3: is now there's a rusher on him. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: what exactly happened here. Luke Montgomery had the defensive tackle
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  Speaker 3: wrapped up or blocked, and then he left him. You
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  Speaker 3: can see that from the back angle a little bit more.
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  Speaker 3: And so then he's just like also not blocked and
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  Speaker 3: he's in stand space. So just like a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of overall floppiness down in this area where you need
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  Speaker 3: to I think at all three like like da state
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  Speaker 3: both scheme, like what they're sequencing in the execution, in
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  Speaker 3: the precision, and like that. You know, those are things
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  Speaker 3: that they're going to need to get get cleaned up.
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  Speaker 2: Lots of lots of little stuff.
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  Speaker 1: It feels like adding up, not that there's a one
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  Speaker 1: cataclysmic issue, which I guess makes it easier to fix,
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  Speaker 1: especially when you.
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  Speaker 2: Have a week off as they do right now.
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  Speaker 1: Next one, this is another one where they're throwing to
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  Speaker 1: Jeremiah in the end zone, and I sort of have
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  Speaker 1: a a reflexively just kind of recoil at the idea
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  Speaker 1: of fade routes just because they're relatively low percentage success
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  Speaker 1: in the end zone. I think you can kind of
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  Speaker 1: make a Jeremiah Smith exception there, because you can make
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  Speaker 1: a Jeremiah Smith exception to just about anything.
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  Speaker 2: But what did you what did you think about this call?
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  Speaker 3: I agree, I mean I probably would rather see as
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  Speaker 3: a slant here. I guess they've tried to run slants
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  Speaker 3: and like HAGGI guys dropping in there. So I mean again,
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  Speaker 3: like this is like cover zero, like this have to
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  Speaker 3: be completed, right, and so like I think Julian Stance
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  Speaker 3: is doing like.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of good things.
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  Speaker 3: Jeremi Smith told Hi right after after the play is
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  Speaker 3: like throw it higher and yeah, like this is like
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  Speaker 3: not a lot of like scheme issue here. This is
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  Speaker 3: like you've got to get the ball higher, right, And
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  Speaker 3: that's a touchdown, probably true to the one to Coronel
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  Speaker 3: Tate earlier as well. You know that maybe you give
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  Speaker 3: that defender a little bit of credit there, but this
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  Speaker 3: should have been a touchdown. Again, you can't let teams
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  Speaker 3: get away with playing him cover zero in the low
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  Speaker 3: red zone and like not execute. So just stuff that
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  Speaker 3: again needs to be cleaned up. You know, as I said,
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  Speaker 3: I think says making the right read ninety plus percent
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  Speaker 3: of the time, he just you know needs to get
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more sped up, and you know, there's
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  Speaker 3: just little things that as as more mortgets put on
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  Speaker 3: his plate that you know, he's learning from and has
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  Speaker 3: to improve going forward.
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  Speaker 1: When they were not in the red zone, the running
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  Speaker 1: game felt like it was a lot more successful and
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  Speaker 1: a lot more productive kind of throughout the day where
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  Speaker 1: they were staying on schedule a decent amount, but they
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  Speaker 1: also hit some bigger plays as well. We'll get to
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  Speaker 1: the bo Jackson one in a minute, because I know
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  Speaker 1: everyone wants to see the bo Jackson one, but let's
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  Speaker 1: first hit a nice one where James People's actually picked
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  Speaker 1: up a nice game.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think James People is, like it's obviously.
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  Speaker 3: Being overshadowed by Bo Jackson, but I think he's improving
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  Speaker 3: and like you can see the short air quickness, and
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  Speaker 3: you know, the run game is just so much more
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  Speaker 3: diverse than it was three or four years ago, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and everyone's complained about running boundary stretch over and over again.
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  Speaker 3: There's just there's a lot going on some of that,
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  Speaker 3: both in terms of like the personnel groupings, like here
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  Speaker 3: we have twelve, we're going to run the counter some
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  Speaker 3: of in justin the different ways they're running stone and
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  Speaker 3: gap schemes, right, So like here's a nice wrinkle where
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  Speaker 3: they're they're in shotgun and they're going to run the
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  Speaker 3: counter to the same we talked about after Texas. How
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  Speaker 3: I like these plays going to the same side as
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  Speaker 3: opposed to like a.
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  Speaker 4: Cross formation from the gun. Uh.
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  Speaker 3: And so you can kind of see like how people
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  Speaker 3: take like sort of side step behind staying and then
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  Speaker 3: come back to the side lined up on And this
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  Speaker 3: is nicely blocked up by Shabola and Daniels in terms
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  Speaker 3: of the kickout in the pole around. But we saw
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  Speaker 3: the same site counter both with uh GT counter instead
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  Speaker 3: of guard and tackle pulling phun counter with the guard
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  Speaker 3: and tight end pulling, and this was pretty well done. Like,
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  Speaker 3: oh you you can see that safety coming down. They
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  Speaker 3: ran a ton of cover three and that was like
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  Speaker 3: sort of another issue with the run games at times
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  Speaker 3: that that safety would insert in the box and wasn't
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  Speaker 3: necessarily accounted for in the gap scheme and to make
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  Speaker 3: the play.
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  Speaker 4: But here they they they identify that and pick up
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  Speaker 4: the safety. Uh. And that leads an exposed to play.
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  Speaker 1: All right, and if you like that explosive play man,
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  Speaker 1: are you gonna like what's coming next? It is the
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  Speaker 1: one that ever one has been talking about it seemingly
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  Speaker 1: all week, the sixty four yarder for Bo Jackson, where
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  Speaker 1: there were a couple of times in this play where
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  Speaker 1: it was like, oh, he got through the line, good
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  Speaker 1: for him, while it's going to be a seven yard
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  Speaker 1: game and no, oh, well now this guy's maybe.
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  Speaker 4: Begin a Britain.
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  Speaker 1: Nope, he's not going to do it either, and all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden, boom, he's sixty four yards down the field.
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  Speaker 2: This was this was an impressive play. How did they
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  Speaker 2: make it work?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so we got towlve personnel again, right, we got
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna run duo. We've talked about like down blocks
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  Speaker 3: without a pull er, so everyone's blocking down and then
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  Speaker 3: the running back to reading the mic which is twenty
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  Speaker 3: four for you. You can see that probably better from
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  Speaker 3: the end zone view. But and so if he stays outside,
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  Speaker 3: he's going inside. If he comes inside, he's going outside, right,
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  Speaker 3: And so you can see like, oh you again trying
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  Speaker 3: to pinch down, especially from the DN like when they
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  Speaker 3: see those down block Birston Hensman does a really nice
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  Speaker 3: job here climbing to the back that I will and
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  Speaker 3: you get that skinny hole, and I get that that's
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  Speaker 3: sort of where you know, I know there's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of clamor for Bo Jackson play and obviously that's happening right, Like,
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  Speaker 3: it's not like this is not happening, like we're watching
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  Speaker 3: that progress real time. Just a great job by him
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  Speaker 3: getting skinny through the hole and then exploding right and
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  Speaker 3: obviously making a safety miss is what leads to turning
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  Speaker 3: a fifteen yard run into a sixty plus yard run.
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  Speaker 3: So I think, you know, there were obviously day post
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  Speaker 3: game was sort of in a you know, we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: have to sort of figure out the rotation. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I think Jackson played quite a bit. I think that's
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  Speaker 3: going to continue. Like in my mind right now, it's
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  Speaker 3: probably like Jackson People's and Donaldson in that order. But
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  Speaker 3: I think Donaldson is going to continue to be the
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  Speaker 3: third down back and the short yard is back. And
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  Speaker 3: so you know, I think I don't think you'll ever
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  Speaker 3: see a situation where like one guy's getting fifteen certainly
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  Speaker 3: not more than twenty carries, right, But I do think
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  Speaker 3: assuming Jackson protects the football and is you know, adequate,
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: and the past protection picked up the light like he's
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: just going to play more and more because obviously he
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: gives you an explosively you know, you get you both
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: it's quick like you get downhill and it's excitive. But
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: then he's although at the fucking level. So I think
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: you know, everyone sees like his role is going to
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: continue to grow.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you saw them figure out last year. Hey,
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: splitting the carries between two backs. That can be you know,
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: especially when they maybe have a little bit different skill
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: sets or a little bit different strengths, you can you know,
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: that can really work out for you. So if you
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: can split between three and I think the all three
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: guys finished with between seven and nine carries, you could
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: you could see that continue to work, especially with some
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: as you said, some maybe different roles for different guys
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: because you know, one guy's strength is not necessarily the
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: other guy's strength. And that's that's okay, that's a that's
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: a positive thing. One thing that is Ohio State strength
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: is throwing the ball deep to Jeremiah Smith. That continues
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: to work real real well. They had the one on
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: the opening drive, I believe, right at the beginning of
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: the game that set up what ultimately was a failed
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: red zone possession. This one, they solved the problem if
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: you're having trouble scoring in the red zone, very easy.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: Just throw it over the red zone and directly to
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: Jeremiah Smith in the end zone.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And before I get to that, I just
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: pick up on like the running back. You know, it's
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: interesting even after three weeks, I feel like there's a
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: few personalist issues that still need to be resolved, like
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: running backs one of them. I think rat guards another.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: Like again, we saw a post Shabola and Ethan Oneawa play.
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, Tiger is getting the majority of the snaps.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: I personally think Ethan probably played a little bit better
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: than him on Saturday. I'll be interested to see, like
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: do they continue to rotate, how do they handle that?
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: And then, as I said, like you have this situation
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: like how much do you want to play twelve and
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: thirteen personnel with multiple tay ends. I mean, they're not
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: getting like a ton of production out of the slot
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: position right now. With Brandon Innis, for better or worse,
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's a very good blocker. He brings things
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: to the table. So I do think there's sort of
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: you know, less versus they can pull here. But you know,
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: clearly obviously the best thing they have going for them
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: is Jeremiah Smith and Colonel Tate and like the explosiveness
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: that gives them. And so you know, they talked about
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: this post game, o you as I said, a ton
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: of cover three, right, and so we get cover three
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: here again and what they're going to do is right,
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: So they use a lot of cover three feed concept, right,
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: and this is like another Day staple, like we talked
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: about tank, you know, cross curl flats being a staple,
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: why Cross and like variations of why Croft and other ones.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: So you're going to get in it running this sort
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: of deep over and the middle of the field safety
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: jumps that route which leave Smith on a backside post. Uh.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: One on one and obviously you know.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: This is the third that we said against Texas he
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: should have made where you you have him one on
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: one and you can throw it to the popposite hash
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: mark and hit it. Uh So he does it here,
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: So you know, credit to sand for learning from that one.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: The you know, I think staying throw is a really
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: nice people. You know, Day talked about this post game
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: as well, like he makes sure he puts the air
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: underneath it. To let his receivers make a play. Like
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: I've seen some complaints about him quote unquote like the
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: under throwing Smith, particularly in the first one. But like
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: when in doubt you want to you do not want
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: to overthrow it, right, Uh, you want to give him
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: a chance to make a play. So you err on
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: that side that in that you know works here. So
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: as I said, like, there's certainly stuff that they need
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: to clean up, Like there was a the early you know,
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: third down, they ran like a route where Smith ran
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: sort of like a deep out underneath and they had
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: a flat route combo and you know, staying with the
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: other side and check down to Thurman for the first down,
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: and like you could see Day on him afterwards, like
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: why did you worked to the boundary side while he
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: worked with the wide side, And like, you know, I
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: think there's occasionally he needs to speed up his processing
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: right now a little bit. But I think he's seen
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: things well. He's obviously accurate once he makes the decision
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: where to go. He's seeing things well in the sense
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: of like diagnosing coverages and most of the time knowing
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: which side to work and then you know, delivering an
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: accurate ball. So for a third start. I mean I think,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: you know, I personally think he's probably had to work.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: He tacked Shroud was at that time as a third
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: in his third start for comparison stake, So you know,
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: obviously you got to clean up the Redden stuff. And
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: you know, whether that's involves different you know, using Lincoln
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: keyholes occasionally in that situation, or you know, getting a
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: little bit more precise in what they're doing and working
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: place together. But I think, you know, he's obviously given
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: that a lot to build on here and can take
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: advantage of this, and then you know, hit a similar
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: sort of concept to take well, and that finally opened
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: up the game on that That was the Mills concept
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: where again like the middlefield safety jumped it hit the
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: backside post for another touchdown.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: The comparison to CJ.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Stroud is an interesting one because you go back the
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: beginning of the twenty twenty one season and why did
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: they lose to Oregon? Well, they bogged down in the
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: red zone. You have seen this before. This is not
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: an uncommon thing, especially with a young quarterback and a
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: team where you're sort of replacing a bunch of players.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: So yeah, not the first time, and certainly not. That
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: does not mean that you were doomed to be bogged
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: down in the red zone forever.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: No, And it's like and you could see the growth
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: compared to like as I said, what they ran at
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: the time with Stroud, Like they do have a lot
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: more heavier sets that they can use down the red zone,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Like that was a reaction to like not having the
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: backside dealt with there. So like we have this I formation,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: you know, we can run more plays the gap schemes
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: down g power in the red zone.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: So they certainly are more.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Diverse there and they have more options just to like
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: if you don't have a running quarterback to get heavier
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: and run like you know the plays we showed. But
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: like you know, this was again we'll see if it's
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: a blip or a trend. I mean, I don't think
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: they've had problems this year really up and you know
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: they again against Texas in a similar situation as I said,
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: they punched it in so you know, and last year
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: they really improved this. But they also had Quincheawn Junkins
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: who could run through tackle. So again, like you have
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: to at some level, your back needs to in that situation,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: you run someone over make a miss, et cetera.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: So they need to improve on that front.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: But I do think again, so I think they're ahead
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: of where they were in that situation, but I agree
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: that they are similar issues that they need to clean up,
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: all right.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: And then so when you look at Julian saying statline
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: for the game, it all looks really impressive, close to
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: eighty percent completions over three hundred yards, a bunch of touchdowns,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: but two picks, and it felt going back and rewatching
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: like boy, neither of those picks really felt like It
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: felt like it was kind of.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: A couple bad breaks.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: This one is one where I don't know if it
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: even should have been an interception. This feels like this
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: maybe should have been a fumble because I don't think
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: if they if it had hit the ground and then
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: the guy had picked it up, I don't think that
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: would have stood up on replay, But it ended up
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: showing up on the box score as an interception.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, weird play.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: I do think like one thing I want to give
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: them credit for is they had a lot of good
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: play action concepts from both under center and the pistol
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: in this game. So I know in the past we
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: talked about, you know, like how run heavy they are
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: from Pistol in particular. Uh, and so I thought they
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: did a good job of that. But here, you know,
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: they're given a heavy runt take from Pistol right where
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: they they pull the backside guard kick out.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: We see this concept a lot from them.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Then that the backside head end for to stip too.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: So it's a.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Seven man protection, right, and like the shame of this,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: and it's like sort of how yeah, one of those
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: games is how the score you gained nearly six hundred
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: yards of offense and only score thirty seven points, like
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: you have the redstone issue in these two picks. This
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: is sort of like a delay route to mac player.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: You can see him sort of like stop and then
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: run a wheel route behind Jeremy Smith. And so again
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: like that safety, as I said, oh, you were in
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: a lot of cover three, that safety coming down hard
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: on run action and you can see like max players
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: wide open, right. So I'm sure gelling Sand was just
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: like trying whatever he could get get the ball out. Unfortunately,
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Oh you was also doing We discussed like this concept
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: of clogging up into your cap to cut off bowler, right,
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: and so Chappola's passed to the backside defensive at the
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: outside linebacker say it's rushing gets knocked off by the poller.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: He can't get there. That guy gets stand face at
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: least this weird interception. But yeah, both interceptions are We're
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: the first one. They're running, you know, haying pro flat
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: and the nose guard is buying for some reason. I
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: guess maybe so you thought they would run that because
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: like Sand's first read is that like sit round in
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: the middle and he goes thrown and it was open
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: and the guy tipped it up in the air and
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: atlantop you know, you player. So kind of a weird game, funky,
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: lots of good things, but I guess you know, from
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: a coaching perspective, gives them certainly things, particularly if the
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: red zone work on heading into a byeweight.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: So, as you said, it is a week off now,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: So if you were in charge arge of practice this week,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: what are you looking at? Are there specific personnel areas
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: we talked you mentioned several of them earlier. Are there
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: specific personnel the areas where you think maybe we're going
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: to change the balance or the mix of plays or
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: reps there, or are there specific areas that you're working at,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: or specific concepts you'd be looking at this week as
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: they get ready to play Washington next week.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think as a staff internally, you want to
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: look at you know, Okay, we've through three games. These
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: have been our personnel percentages. You know, we've been in eleven,
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: this much, twelve, this much, thirteen, this much? Like, how
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: how have we you know, what's our yards for playoff
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: of that? How what's our success rate?
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: Like? Do we want to continue down this path? Do
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: we want to modify it?
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: You know more eleven perhaps like a little less Titans looks.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: I think, you know, you revisit your low red zone plan.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: You know, how do we want to see as I mentioned,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: sequence plays together and then I think, you know three Frank,
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: I think I personally would like continue to assess the
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: right guard situation, like how do we want to hand that?
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Do we want them to keep keep rotating? Do we
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: want to even more of like an equal rotation or
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: just you know, settle on one guy same thing? You know,
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: how can we you know, you just don't want to
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: get to a point where you're in eleven personnel and
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: you're getting like doubles on Tate and Smith because there's
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: no concern about Brandon and in the slot, right and like,
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: I guess how that happens. He'll throw the ball in
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: us and he he'll you know, he'll make he'll catch it.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: I just don't know, you know, I think there has
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: to be a reassessment of like is this do we
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: want to you know, mix in Milon Graham some do
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: we want to put Max Claire in the slot some uh,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: you know, whereas he best fits. I do think there's
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: things that they can work on in practice, and I'm
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: sure they will work a lot on low red zone
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: both in just like technique, like with saying throwing those
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: routes as well as like you know, doing good on
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: good and running running a goal line plays.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, there you go. There's your breakdown of
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: the Ohio State offense. We'll be talking to Ross about
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: the Ohio State defense and their performance against the Ohio
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Bobcats next time.
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: That is.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be one where a little more
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: optimistic and we will probably not have too many down
• 26:15
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• 26:16
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