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NBA Finals Preview + What is the criteria to be a NBA Superstar? · The So-Called Sports Analysts

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  Speaker 1: Welcome, welcome, welcome, Welcome back to the episode of So
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  Speaker 1: called Sports titlest episode one hundred and eleven. Josh, how
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  Speaker 1: you doing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing pretty good. Both my finals predictions in this
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  Speaker 2: both my teams that I pretty needed to win the
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  Speaker 2: conference finals won in the exact games that I said,
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  Speaker 2: So right, I feel pretty confident going into this. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, team one of my team's rivals is in
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  Speaker 2: the championship, so kind of hate that, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's just good for the love of the game.
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  Speaker 2: You know, basketball is in a good place right now.
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  Speaker 2: Two team oriented teams in the championship. So pretty happy
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  Speaker 2: to see that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, for sure. And people that say, oh, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not gonna watch this series they obviously don't like Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they don't know ball ball or don't like watching real basketball.
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  Speaker 1: But all right, Josh, let's go and get into it.
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  Speaker 1: But before the finals preview, like we're gonna do, of course,
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about just this conference finals. So first we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna start with the Pacers versus Nicks. Like you said,
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  Speaker 1: you got both of them right paces, they won in
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  Speaker 1: six games right here. So what did you take away
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  Speaker 1: from this right here?
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  Speaker 2: Well, going the into this conference finals with the Knicks
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  Speaker 2: and the Pacers, it wasn't more like I thought the
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  Speaker 2: Pacers were gonna be the super dominant team against them.
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  Speaker 2: I just I like both teams for the way that
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  Speaker 2: they are. It's just I feel like the way that
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  Speaker 2: the Pacers play team oriented basketball, it's able to last
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  Speaker 2: longer into into the series then the next team is
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  Speaker 2: able to play, especially in a four quarter game. I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna take the depth over within the Pacers time in
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  Speaker 2: and time again, and I feel like this is where
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  Speaker 2: the Knicks struggle all season long. You play eight man rotation,
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  Speaker 2: and you expect these other guys to kind of step
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  Speaker 2: up when the playoffs comes around, with like a like
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  Speaker 2: a Deuce McBride or a Cameron Pain, even Michel Robinson.
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  Speaker 2: You expect them to play very solid, important minutes in
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  Speaker 2: the playoffs. When they didn't even get no burn the
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  Speaker 2: entire regular season. And I feel like that that has
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  Speaker 2: a lot to do with it. And I feel like
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  Speaker 2: that's an adjustment to Thibodeau would have to make within
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  Speaker 2: his coaching career if he expects it to last a
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  Speaker 2: little bit longer, because this is continuous in his career.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, with the Chicago Bulls, to the Minnesota Timberwolves
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  Speaker 2: to now with the with the New York Knicks. It
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  Speaker 2: just seems to be a trend where these where his
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  Speaker 2: teams fall short over and over again. And it's not
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  Speaker 2: due to the talent, because we know the talent that
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  Speaker 2: they have on their team. It's just due to them
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  Speaker 2: not being able to keep up with the team when
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  Speaker 2: it matters the most towards in the games and the
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  Speaker 2: end of the series. And with the end of the Pacers,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we I expected this. Indiana Pacers are the
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  Speaker 2: replication of the Beautiful Game the San Antonio Sprayers. I
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  Speaker 2: feel like it's not the it's not to the same extent,
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  Speaker 2: but they play their second behind the Beautiful Game. Yeah
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  Speaker 2: they are, but they're they're actually the second. I believe
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  Speaker 2: they're the second team in NBA history, right behind those
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  Speaker 2: San Antonio Spurs, and in like constant passing passings before
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  Speaker 2: a shot and an assists per game, they're number two
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  Speaker 2: behind the twenty fourteen San Antonio Spurs. So they played
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  Speaker 2: really similar basketball, and that leads to a lot of wins,
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  Speaker 2: especially in the Eastern Conference, to where we thought the
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  Speaker 2: two top teams, the Cabs and the Celtics were gonna
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  Speaker 2: be there. At the end, you kind of run up
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  Speaker 2: against a team that you have had their number over
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  Speaker 2: the last two years, meeting them last year in six
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  Speaker 2: and then this year in six, and then ultimately making
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  Speaker 2: it to the NBA Championship.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think that's the biggest thing. Well, you
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  Speaker 1: talked about the Pacer year. I'm gonna talk a little
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  Speaker 1: bit about the Knicks year. You cannot be a real
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  Speaker 1: championship team if you keep making fixable mistakes, the turnovers
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  Speaker 1: and just defensive intensity being inconsistent on the night to
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  Speaker 1: night basis what is what cousted them this series. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how many times I know you could count
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  Speaker 1: to Josh, it was just silly turnovers that the Knicks
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  Speaker 1: they made, especially in Game six, where they really didn't
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  Speaker 1: even give themselves a fighting chance where it was like
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  Speaker 1: nineteen twenty turnovers and Indiana they're one of the best
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  Speaker 1: teams in transition, especially points out of turnovers, and that's
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  Speaker 1: what them there. So I just think, I just think
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  Speaker 1: that this Knicks team, for them to take the next
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  Speaker 1: championship step, not only do they need to get a
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  Speaker 1: deeper bench. You see these two teams in the finals,
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  Speaker 1: they both have three benches, But you need you need
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  Speaker 1: to be able to have a consistent defensive identity. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: you had og Mchel Bridges, Josh Hart, who are the
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  Speaker 1: main stays, but you need your two quote unquote superstars,
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  Speaker 1: you're all NBA players to play some defense. And you
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  Speaker 1: didn't see that outside of Game five really in all honesty. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and and I just think that let me ask you this,
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  Speaker 1: where where do the Knicks go from here?
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  Speaker 2: Well? I feel like the Knicks are going to continue
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  Speaker 2: to be a threat in the Eastern Conference. I think
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  Speaker 2: they're going to continue to be this team. But I
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  Speaker 2: think the trend that we're going to see that the
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  Speaker 2: Western Conferences has too many good teams, and I feel
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  Speaker 2: like when they run up against those type of teams,
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  Speaker 2: it's going to be a struggle with the Knicks for
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  Speaker 2: them to get over that hump they need to. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know what they can do, if I'm being completely honest,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they're they're tied up in contracts. They traded
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  Speaker 2: everything for mckel bridges and Karl Anthony Towns all in
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  Speaker 2: one basically one offseason. Yeah, and it's kind of putting
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  Speaker 2: your team backwards when it comes to your future aspect.
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  Speaker 2: They don't have a first round draft pick, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know in how long. And then if you look at this,
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  Speaker 2: they have mckl bridges on a really big contract, Karl
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Towns is gonna really have a really big contract.
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna have to re up on Jalen Brunton pretty soon.
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  Speaker 2: So it's gonna be it's like kind of trouble and paradise.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like for the New York Nick's not on
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  Speaker 2: the standpoint that they won't be a good team, but
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  Speaker 2: that who else can they bring in? They're gonna have
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  Speaker 2: to find some veterans that will come in on cheap
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  Speaker 2: contracts that are able to fill some roles that you
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  Speaker 2: need filled. And right now, I feel like there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of better options than the New York Knicks that
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  Speaker 2: other teams would want to go.
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  Speaker 1: To Yeah, okay, let me try to give two different
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  Speaker 1: or it's the same person being traded in this instant.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to say this before I get into that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that the Knicks they could win with
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  Speaker 1: Karl Anthony Towns as their center. I don't think they can.
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  Speaker 1: You can't have two defensive liability these on the floor
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  Speaker 1: at the same time and those also be your two
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  Speaker 1: best players and you're not trading away Jaylen Brunson. He
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  Speaker 1: has one of the best contracts. What is it the
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  Speaker 1: next two three years, josh.
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  Speaker 2: Something like that, But you're gonna need a reups yeah, extension.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you'll need the REA. But the next two
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  Speaker 1: to three years you're gonna have him pretty cheap. So
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  Speaker 1: I think there's two different options, which is trading kar
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  Speaker 1: Anthony talent in my opinion, Either you go superstar for superstar.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know exactly who that is. I haven't looked
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  Speaker 1: exactly for somebody who can match contractually. Or you trade
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  Speaker 1: kar Anthony Towns for two to three solid role players
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  Speaker 1: and you just have a deeper bitch along with your
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  Speaker 1: superstar in Jaylen Brunson. So I don't know which one
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  Speaker 1: you would prefer Josh. Would you prefer a different superstar
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  Speaker 1: alongside Jaylen Brunson or a deeper bench alongside Jaylen Brunson. S.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like you're gonna need to bring in if
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  Speaker 2: you were to go, who's the superstar you're trading for?
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  Speaker 2: You know? I feel like you're gonna to send Conthony
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  Speaker 2: Towns to another contender or a team on the up
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  Speaker 2: and ups, and you're gonna bring in their first round
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  Speaker 2: draft picks while you have no first round draft picks,
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  Speaker 2: So you're expecting this guy to be a little bit
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  Speaker 2: lesser than Karl Anthony Towns at the time, plus bring
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  Speaker 2: in some draft picks, or because you have no draft
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  Speaker 2: picks to send and there has to be a contractual matching,
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  Speaker 2: they're just it's just not gonna work out because the
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  Speaker 2: Nicks are gonna be too good for them to have
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  Speaker 2: a high draft pick, and the other team's gonna end
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  Speaker 2: up being too good because Conthony Towns is gonna go
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  Speaker 2: to a contender for them to be for their draft
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  Speaker 2: picks to be valuable. So it's kind of like if
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  Speaker 2: you were to trade Coronthony Towns, it'd be for some
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  Speaker 2: more role players but one thing I did see, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how true it is. I saw like a
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  Speaker 2: Jillian Champagne with picks for Michel Bridges swap to the
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  Speaker 2: San Antonio Spurs. But I really don't want that for
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  Speaker 2: our team, if I'm being completely honest, So I kind
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  Speaker 2: of disregard it. So I don't want Mikel Bridges on
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  Speaker 2: the San Antonio Spurs. Rather just keep Julian Champagne and
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  Speaker 2: our picks because I don't I just don't. I know
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  Speaker 2: there's a gap between them too, but I just don't
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  Speaker 2: think it's like an astronomical like change to our roster
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  Speaker 2: that's gonna be like, okay, we need to make that mood.
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  Speaker 2: So it's just like no, I just don't see that happening.
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  Speaker 2: Like I said, I just think the Knicks are gonna
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  Speaker 2: have to be in that situation where they running back
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  Speaker 2: and bring in some veterans to fill in those roles.
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  Speaker 1: Well kind of if kind of looking on the better
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  Speaker 1: side of it, I don't think the Boston Celtics are
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  Speaker 1: gonna be as good next year. Obviously, Jason Tatum being out,
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  Speaker 1: I mean I'm gonna be blown down.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, having some decisions to make as well, you
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  Speaker 2: know with Derek White, Christops persingis, you know, Louke Cornett,
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  Speaker 2: So a lot of this, a lot of this. Their
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  Speaker 2: their roster is gonna be yeah quick in question this offseason.
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  Speaker 1: So like the Knicks, they kind of have that advantage
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  Speaker 1: where they could kind of the Celtics are gonna have
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  Speaker 1: to separate no matter what, and their best players out
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  Speaker 1: the Cavs obviously they're going to be there. Bucks, we
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  Speaker 1: don't know. That's a whole rumor meal with Giannis whether
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  Speaker 1: he stays there or not.
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  Speaker 2: And I think's better next year.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't think they would be as good
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  Speaker 1: as New York. So I'll say this New York like,
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  Speaker 1: let's just say everything stands still as it is right now.
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  Speaker 1: They're a top three team in the East. So you
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  Speaker 1: have a chance to make the conference finals. That get
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  Speaker 1: again if you have the right cd so and then
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  Speaker 1: you never know what happens from there. But I think,
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  Speaker 1: even though it may be tough to do, trading kar
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  Speaker 1: Anthony Towns is the best option in my opinion. You're
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  Speaker 1: not trading away og, you're not trading away mckel and
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  Speaker 1: then you're not obviously you're not trading with Jlen Brunson.
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  Speaker 1: So that's that's the only thing. I'm trying to think
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  Speaker 1: of one specific team, maybe like Orlando, maybe the car
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  Speaker 1: gets kar Anthony Towns and they get two three role
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  Speaker 1: players in return, something along that.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't feel like Orlando would be put their
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  Speaker 2: back their front court in a detriment when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to like defensively, I feel like they'd rather go for
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  Speaker 2: a guard and let the players around him fill those roles,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Because like their defense is
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  Speaker 2: already so good, why would you put yourself a liability
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  Speaker 2: in the paint? You know, I just don't see them
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  Speaker 2: doing that as well. It's kind of a weird spot
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  Speaker 2: that the Knicks are in. They don't have a lot
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  Speaker 2: of options. Yeah, yeah, no, honest rough Murby mill on ESPN.
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  Speaker 2: That just does not gonna work.
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  Speaker 1: To New York.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're seeing if you're seeing Joannis go to
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  Speaker 2: New York, you're gonna want the Milwaukee's gonna want draft
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  Speaker 2: picks and multiple players in return. That's what the Knicks
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  Speaker 2: do not have. They do not have tradable assets plus picks.
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  Speaker 2: It just wouldn't work out that way.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think kron three talents would almost be
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  Speaker 1: a match contractually.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but maybe everything else would have to fill in
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  Speaker 2: because there's not It just wouldn't work out. Hart, But
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  Speaker 2: what is that but the Bucks nowhere? The Bucks would
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  Speaker 2: just put themselves in a in a terrible situation. So
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  Speaker 2: I just don't see that happening as well either.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that that is true. Let me let me
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  Speaker 1: see Whens the next time. The Knicks have a draft
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  Speaker 1: pick next nixt draft pick, so they have the only
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  Speaker 1: one that they have is one in Brooklyn. Oh, they
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  Speaker 1: have one for Brooklyn, no protection. No, they have their
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, They have a twenty twenty six for Washington,
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  Speaker 1: and then they have their own in twenty twenty eight.
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  Speaker 1: But they can't trade you know what, Yeah, you're right.
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  Speaker 1: They can't even trade any of those picks right there.
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  Speaker 1: What is it the Steifen rule something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't do multiple first round picks and back
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  Speaker 2: to back years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that. So yeah, no, you're right, they're
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  Speaker 1: pretty much screwed. But who knows where they go to
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  Speaker 1: this offseason. They say there's going to be big changes.
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  Speaker 1: But this other series right here, which once again, Josh,
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  Speaker 1: you called pretty accurately. I thought this was going to
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  Speaker 1: be a more competitive series right here, you said, okay,
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  Speaker 1: seeing five, which it ended in five right here? So
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  Speaker 1: what were your takeaways from this series?
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  Speaker 2: I just felt like it was inevitable for the Minnesota
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  Speaker 2: Timberwleves to run out of some luck. I know they're
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  Speaker 2: a good basketball team, don't get me wrong. They were
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  Speaker 2: fighting in some of these games versus the Oklahoma City Thunder.
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  Speaker 2: But when you play a Stephen Curry Stephen Curry List
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  Speaker 2: Warriors team, and then in the first round you play, understand,
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  Speaker 2: we were gassing up Lebron and Luca. That's just because it's
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  Speaker 2: Lebron and Luca. But if you look at the whole
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  Speaker 2: reality of the team around them, that team was not
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  Speaker 2: fit to make it to an NBA championship. I was
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  Speaker 2: just hoping that our glorious King, our Sunshine Lebron James
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  Speaker 2: Quinn a ring. But other than that, I just think
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  Speaker 2: that luck right now, you know the luck right now,
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  Speaker 2: the situations that you were playing. I kept telling people
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  Speaker 2: over and over again, especially at the barberstop, Julius Randall
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  Speaker 2: is not that guy, like it's just this is just
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  Speaker 2: who he is at this point, in his career. Just
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  Speaker 2: one play two playoff series is not going to change
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  Speaker 2: the outlook of him if you really look at who
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  Speaker 2: they're playing, what interior presence was he playing in the
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  Speaker 2: Los Angeles Lakers. Lebron James is playing constantly on five
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  Speaker 2: different people every single play, every single game. You go
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  Speaker 2: to play the Golden State Warriors, who's Gardian and Julius Randall,
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  Speaker 2: Quinton Quinton Post and you know, Draymond Green is trying
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  Speaker 2: to orchestrate the rest of the defense. It's just it's
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  Speaker 2: not Kevin Looney. It just doesn't It wasn't a good
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  Speaker 2: situation for either team versus Julius Randall. And he finally
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  Speaker 2: runs against a team that can throw bodies at him
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  Speaker 2: like Isaiah Heart and signed Jalen Williams. Jalen Williams, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Chet Holmgren. So I it's just it was it was
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  Speaker 2: just a matter of time. And I just feel like
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  Speaker 2: the way that the thunder I played all season, everyone
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  Speaker 2: should have knew it that it was just once they
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  Speaker 2: started knocking down them shots that one game they got
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  Speaker 2: blown out. It's just they weren't hitting shots. You know,
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  Speaker 2: That's just just the reality of it. The rest of
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  Speaker 2: the the rest of the games, they orchestrated and they
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  Speaker 2: dominated the on ball on ball pressure, got to the
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  Speaker 2: rim better, and transitioned, made more threes there. They were
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  Speaker 2: just a better team all around the entirety of the
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  Speaker 2: entire the playoffs, and definitely in that series.
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  Speaker 1: I think o PC, they just proved exactly what they
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  Speaker 1: did in the record and.
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  Speaker 2: They were already battle tested, like you said, going into
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  Speaker 2: that game, they were already they already went through the
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  Speaker 2: hardest team they could have played besides I think the Clippers,
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  Speaker 2: to be honest with you, I think the Clippers would
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  Speaker 2: have been the hardest team they could have played besides
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  Speaker 2: the Denver Nuggets. And they played the team that beat
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  Speaker 2: the Clippers and beat that Denver Nugget team.
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  Speaker 1: So, and I think this, I I don't mean to
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  Speaker 1: bring up the Denver Nuggets again, but I think this
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  Speaker 1: is just a testament to Naicolea Jokic and what he
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  Speaker 1: was able to do to this Oklahoma City Thunder team
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  Speaker 1: he took. He took this exact same team to seven games. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I just think, like like I was saying, the
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  Speaker 1: Thunder they proved what they were in the regular season
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  Speaker 1: and after they were battle tested after they're comfortable like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: well we are clearly the better team. We have a superstar,
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  Speaker 1: we have the better role players around, and just flat
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  Speaker 1: out Shay out played Anthony Edwards this series. Jab outplayed
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  Speaker 1: Julius Randall this series by a long shot, chat outplayed
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  Speaker 1: any other player whoever you name through the timber on
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  Speaker 1: that team. Yeah, and it's just the Thunder. In this series,
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  Speaker 1: it looked like they actually had I don't I don't
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  Speaker 1: like to throw around that term big three, but it
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  Speaker 1: looked like they had a big three this series, for
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  Speaker 1: for sure, and they could do this the next two
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  Speaker 1: three years because they're gonna only get better from here,
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: and they're all complimentary.
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: We're coming, baby, don't worry.
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: I think. Okay, let me ask you this. As far
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: as with Oklahoma.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: Don't worry, guys, we're coming. The Spurs are the Spurs
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: are coming back.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: What kill out bro? But okay, as far as like
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: the big the big threes quote unquote big threes with
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: both Thunder, the James Harden, Russell Westbrook, Kevin Durant, Shaye
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: Chet and Jade, I'm not saying accolades wise, I'm saying
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: better fit. They all fit together better than what the
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: Oklahoma City.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: Shaye Chet and Jadub can play on all together at
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: the same time. There's a reason why James Harden was
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: coming as it's coming off the bench as a six man. Yeah,
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: I just feel like they all couldn't play together at
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: the same time. But also the Thunder were also trying
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: to replicate the mode of what the Spurs were doing
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: with Monogor Nobly off the bench as well. So it
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: was just kind of like true, it's it's but it
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: worked for both situations. Just that Thunder team was also
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: a very young and they just ran into lebron Chris
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: Bosh and Dwayne Wade. So you know, it's just like
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: it's like what can you do about it?
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah? And okay kind of like kind of what we're
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: gonna get into here. Okay, I'm gonna put it like
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: this because I know you pose this question, let me
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: go and listed question.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: Hold on, I was gonna say something else, okay, go ahead,
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: go ahead. Oh no, my god. It was just because
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: like you know how you said Nicolaykich, Like I literally
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: said that going in, like what's the reason why the
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: why the Thunder are gonna beat the Timberlves and I
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: literally said, the Timberwlves don't have nicolay Kich, Like that's
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: just that was answer.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, you're not the so far from the
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: from the two series, the two conference finals, you pretty
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: much predicted, like what would happen to a t No,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: I'm trying not trying to glaze, not trying to glaze.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Well, what you ask me when Damian and Ryme were
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: on the part of like, how do I think I think?
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: I think I said the Knicks are gonna win back
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: in New York.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: You said they're gonna win.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be three to two. Then they're gonna go
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: back to Indiana and it's gonna be four to two
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: and it's over. Like it's yeah, I knew that nick
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: were gonna go crazy. I didn't even watch that game,
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: if I'm being honest with you. I was like, they're
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: gonna win, Like I'm not. I didn't even watch it.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: So it's like and then I didn't even watch game
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: five of the Thunder versus Timberwolves because I told my
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: because at the barber shop, all right, Ray one of
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: the barbers that I work with, was like, oh, there's
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Game five. I'm like, nah, bro, I'm not even gonna
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: watch it. It's probably be a thirty point blowout. Like it's
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: like the Thunder, the Thunder. It was the Thunder. I
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: was like, the Thunder are gonna dominate because like they
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: did that versus Denver in the closeout game. They they
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: did that versus Memphis and a close out game, and
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: they did it multiple times to Memphis. So I'm like, yeah,
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: when this time to tee up and get the get
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: the other team out of there, the Thunder are gonna
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: do that. So I was like, I'm not even gonna
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: watch game five. They're gonna dominate.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, bye bye. Honestly, by after like a quarter
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: and a half, I'm turning this off. There's no point.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: It was just fail to ask. But okay, now, now
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: to answer this question right here because you you put
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: it up before the pod. Obviously we have an outlined
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: before it is Anthony Edwards over hyped by everyone, And okay,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: let me let me answer this question first, because I
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: kind of feel like I know where you're standing here. Okay,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go into the game first. So I
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: feel like with Shane and and they were both similar
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: as far as they both get to the rack really aggressively.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: But the main difference is Anthony Edwards likes a three
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: point shot, Shane likes the mid range shot. In the
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: playoff or in the regular season, the three point shot
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: is more effective. And even though analytics s a mid
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: range shot is not affected in the playoffs, that is
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: the most important shot in the NBA. You need close
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: range shot. You need close range shot, close touch shots.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Looking Ankola Yokis, he thrives and like Tim Duncan too. Yeah,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: exactly like you're saying, all these guys thrive in not
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: exactly the paint out, like a little bit outside of
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: the paint in the mid range, and Anthony Edwards did
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: not does not have that yet. And you're just more
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: likely to make a mid range shot than you are
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: a three point shot. And now me get into that,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: I'll say Anthony Edwards needs to learn that, But personally me,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's overhyped. I think it's more of
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: what the media was trying to push him to. I
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: never considered him in the likes of Shade. I've considered
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: him in the range as high as five, maybe to
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: eight in that kind of range right there, That's why
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: I consider him. And he made back to back Western
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Conference finals and he's beaten some juggernauts along the way. Obviously,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: he still needs to get it done, but I think
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: he's where I have him in the five to eight range.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: I think he's perfectly placed. So I don't think he's
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: overhyped in my opinion.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: I think I'm not saying that he's not a great
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: basketball player, because I think Anthony Edwards is a great
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: basketball player. I just think they're over hype. That I'm
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: talking about is one of the are already putting him
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: as the best player in the world. Like there's people
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: that are already stating like he's Michael Jordan reincarnated, you know, like, yeah,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: so was a one player every five years. You know.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: So it's like, let's not get too ahead of ourselves,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: you know. I feel like you give him time to
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: get it going because he could ultimately just end up
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: like Damian Lillard. We're being completely honest, you know, Like
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: he could, like Damian Lillard, has been hyped up to
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: be this almost as good as death to some people,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: but never never finishes the job, you know, And if
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: you look at this, he's people were already putting him
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: above players like Niko leokicch Sga, Joannis Luka, Doncics, like
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: consistently the top four players in the world. They were
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: already putting Jason Tatum even like they putting him above
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Jason Tate. That's not fair right now, though those guys
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: have proven consistently year in and year out why they
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: are those type of players. Anthony Edwards, I understand, has
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: been worked his way up to this, but it's only
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: been two years in a row where he's actually been
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: like this top top player in the NBA, and I
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: think he will be up there eventually, maybe because sometimes
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: some players I always tell people, some players just aren't
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: meant to win, you know, like that's just the god
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: given truth of it all. Like some players just aren't
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: meant to win. And Luca Anthony Edwards may prove me wrong.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think he will because there's
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: a man coming. We're number one in black and white
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: pretty soon and there's not gonna be a lot of
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: room left for winning in the in the Western Conference
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: when the thunder and Spurs are dominating everything. So but
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: when it comes to when it comes to right now,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: in the moment, I feel like he's, like you said,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I believe to that six to ten range. I believe
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: that you could argue a lot of players over him.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Even the guy on the other side of them, on
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: the other in the other conference wearing yellow as well,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: shouldn't get the same Also respect that Anthony Edwards is
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: getting because he's done almost as much and it's probably
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: the better all around basketball player of ever being. If
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: you can make that type of argument, because they both
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: play solid defense. One's a better facilitator, one's a better scorer.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: It's just kind of like one. They both have their
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: strengths that don't compare to the other. But it's also
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: with Anthony Edwards, we need more time, Like I feel
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: like we get ahead of ourselves. You know, I wonder
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: how many people were doing we weren't. I was too
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: young to understand. I wont to how people were doing
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: this with Chris Paul it were being completely honest and
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: when they understand how good he actually is. But until
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: you actually win MVPs, until you make All NBA teams
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: like he did he did, I will say that first
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: team All NBA. But did he make first? Yeah, first
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: team second see see that's still second team. It wasn't
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: first team All NBA, while these guys that like I
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: named the top five are always first team All NBA
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: consensus year and in year out. So it's just there's
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: a lot more that has to be done before he's
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: I can see face of the league because of marketability,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: but I can't see top five player in the world
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: just yet.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: See Okay, I think that's where they kind of draw
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: the like kind of like mix the line a little
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: bit between face of the league and actual superstar. I
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: think I think that's where it is, and we're kind
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: of on the same page with that. I just think
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: that people they want to push him to the face
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: of the league, so they try to put him in
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: the likes of a Jokic, a Giannis. But you could
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: also argue on the different side, if Anthony Edwards does
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: not beat NICOLEA Jokis last year, who's the MVP, a
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: defending champion, then I don't think he's in these conversations
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: at all. I think that's true cost him into that conversation.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Even if he did beat Lebron Luca, even if he
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: did beat the Warriors, it would be Okay, he's a
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: young star that's on the rise. I think that was
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: the biggest turning point in his career.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: But I feel like it happened too fast. Like I
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: feel like a lot of the hype happened way too fast.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: It's happening way too fast, and like honestly, people become
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: prisoners of the moment and start hypeing up certain players
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: when they see them do good off a recency bias.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: But Anthony Edwards I believe will be there one day,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: but it's just not right now.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he needs to He's got into the conference finals.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: And okay, I'll put it like this. First you need
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: to make the playoffs. Then you need to in the
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: first two rounds. And usually this is where most people
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: they don't take the next step, you know what I mean.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Only a few likes have taken the steph Curry, the
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. You have to get over that conference finals bubble,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You have to start playing
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: well in there, and then you reach the finals, which
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: is another step you might have to jump over, which
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: you may struggle with. Lebron struggled for a little bit too.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: So it's rare that you go from from young player
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: plays great in the entire playoffs and wins a championship.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Like look at Jason Tatum for example. You know how
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: many years it took.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Him to win a championship, but even the argument before
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: that as well, he's first team All NBA every single
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: season before that. You know, like he's consistantly all started, consistently,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: like top defensive player in the league can play one
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: through five. I just don't think Anthony Andwards has. He
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: doesn't have that at this point in both of their careers.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: I like, if.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I think okay, like like hell was kind of saying.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: As far as with the mid range game, I'm not
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: saying base your whole game like off of shit. I'm
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: not saying that by any means, but I'm saying when
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: it comes down to the postseason, I'll say this, he
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: proved himself as a passer way more than he did
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: in the Ballast series. His biggest problem was he didn't
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: have no mid range shot because his three point shot
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: wasn't falling. He needs to get in the lab and honestly,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: the only thing that's missed from his offensive game is
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: a consistent mid range shot. That's the only thing. So
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: I think if he works on that he can make
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: that next jump also alongside your team being good. So
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I'll say that too. And okay, now let's go ahead
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: and get into this last player right here. This is
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: where it gets interesting. We've had this superstar talk. But okay,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: it's another question that Josh brought up. Is ty Resee
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Halliburton now a superstar? So Josh, I want you to
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: go first? Are you I would first? You go first?
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: My answer is no, I don't. I don't think Tyry's
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Halliburn is a superstar yet. I feel like there's a
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: lot of there's a lot of things that have to credentials.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: I feel like that or like have twos that have
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: to happen for you to be a superstar. And I
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: feel like be the number one option on your team undoubtedly,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: which arguably he might not be the number one option.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Honest team, We're being completely honest. You know, Pascal Siakam
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: continues to get his gaming in game out, and the
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: stats are very comparable. Let alonely assist, because I mean
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: point guard, he's gonna get his assists. But Pascal Siakam
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: is arguably the better player. You know. It's it's not
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: it's just that it's just there. You know, he's been
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: to he has a NBA Championship, consistently scored drop forty seven.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: I believe in Game three in this Conference finals alone,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: you know, so it was kind of he has his
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: superstar moments as well, but so ondoubly the number one
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: option on your team. I feel like another that has
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: to happen also, is you have to be probably the best,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: if not undoubtedly one of the best at a certain
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: thing in skill wise in the NBA, Like I feel
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: like you have to be undoubtedly like that guy on
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: that side of the ball, handling the ball, shooting the ball,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: getting to the rim, he's undoubtedly the best at in
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: the entire NBA. I feel like those things have to happen.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: And honestly, if we're looking at like, does Tyres have
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: anything that makes him the best at that particular thing
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: in the entire NBA, I think it's arguably no. You know,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: I feel like passing you could argue, but they're still Yo,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Kis Trey Young, James Harden. You know, like there's multiple
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: players that also are arguably above him in that aspect,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: you know, and then if you're looking at those two
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: things combined plus accolades. He just doesn't have those things yet.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: I just I think there's a lot more time that
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: has to go into it. This says how many years
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: into his care already, six six years into his career already,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: and this is the highest he's been and it's the
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: highest you can get, the NBA Championship. But before this
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: time period, there hasn't been much to offer from Tyre's
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Halliburn when it comes to making himself a superstar. And
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: I just don't think one year makes that makes you
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: a superstar and plus superstar, Like I said, those all
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: three of those things have to be in it. I
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: feel like people get that mixed up superstar versus a star,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Like I believe Anthony Edwards fits the star category right now.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's a superstar just yet. I feel
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: like the superstars are Nikola Jokic, Janna sent to the
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Kompo SGA, Jason Tatum and Luka Doncics. Did I say
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Luka donchis already? But I feel like Lebron at one
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: point in his career was a superstar. I will say
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: that right now he's in that star aspect just only
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: because age. It's not the same as he used to be.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: It's just even though he continues to do the same things,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: I just feel like at this point of his career,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: he he needs more help than he does than he
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: doesn't if I'm being completely honest, you know. And as
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: far as these other five guys on down audibly, they're
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: the best at something in the NBA. You know. It's
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: like Nikola Jokic is the best player in the world,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: so that doesn't need to be and we're talking about
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: interior presence in the NBA. There's a lot of people
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: better than Yannis Ata to Kumbo in the entire NBA,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: you know. And then number three, who we got SGA.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: He just won the freaking MVP. So it's just like,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: come on, bro. Number four Jason Tatum. I feel like
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: I've harped on Jason Tatum a lot on this podcast
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: already to why he would be a superstar. And plus,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: if we're being honest, he's the best all around basketball
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: player in the NBA when it comes to defense and
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: offensive side of the basketball, and he just does what
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: he needs to do to win. You know. That's just
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: the complete honest answer. And if we look at number
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: five when it comes to Luka Doncic probably the best.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Is the best scorer in the entire NBA, bar none, Like,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: there's not a better score of the basketball. And I
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: feel like, if you want to put another player, I
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: know you're gonna hate me for this. Undoubtedly the best
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: defender in the entire world, head and shoulders above everyone else,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: only played forty six games and still let the league
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: in blocks by forty Give me Victor winbin Yama bro
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: and he's had higher. I feel like he's already where
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Tyre's Halliburn is at and Anthony Ollerds is at. Plus
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: he's already the best defensive player in the entire world.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: But just also I'm not putting them there either, but
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: he has he has two of the three things needed
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: to already be considered the best a superstar in the NBA,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: number one option, best at something. Just the accolades have
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: to come.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, So you kind of put this on top of
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: the bow for me because I was gonna go that
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: exact same way, and I'm gonna add this, there has
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: to be another factor along with the accolades. There has
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: to be some marketability. So I'm going to grandfather in
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: some of the older players so I agree with you, Jokics, Yanna,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Shaye Tatum, Luca. I'm still gonna include Steph.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Oh Bron, my bad, my bad, forgot Steph. Forgot Steph.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Steph is a superstar, is a superstar, So I'm.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Still gonna include those guys because they were proven. I'll
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: put it like this, if you were once a superstar
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: until your game rapidly falls off, you're still a superstar.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: And Katie Lebron and Steph their game has not fallen
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: off astronomic amount, so they're still considered superstars.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: I can respect that.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: So so yeah, okay, I'll say this. Ty Reese Halliburton,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: by definition, if you go off the past two years,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: by definition, is close to being a superstar. But I
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: think the biggest thing that's holding him back he he
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: needs to either there's two options. Option aight, he needs
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: to win the championship this year versus the Thunder, which
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: is one of the best teams.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: And because.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: A lot or Option two is become one of the
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: greatest regular seasons players ever, which he has all the
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: play or all the tools to do because he has
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: a Steve Nash type mold to him, and he could
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say content for MVPs, but be in the
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: ballance for MVPs.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: So I hear those arguments like I'm hearing Chris Paul,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: I'm hearing like Steve Nash from people. These guys never
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: made it to the NBA Championship.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, Jason Kidd, is that better?
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's ataly better. I mean he has a ring though,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: but it was like forty thousand old.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: That's like if Tyreese is forty trying to win a
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: ring on the But I get you.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: But do you see where I'm staying with that with
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: the three measurements to being a superstar? Like do you
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: like those? Make sense? What do you think of those?
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Like you're the best at something, your accolades, and number
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: one option on your team no matter what.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree with those. And I had the
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: exact same thing almost written down exactly, So I agree
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: with you. I don't think people they always throw round
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: the word superstar so lightly in the NBA. They say, oh,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell is a superstar, Anthony Edwards is a superstar.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: You have to do it in the regular season and
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: in the postseason on a consistent basis, and usually usually
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: it takes about three, four, maybe even five years to
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: even get that term. Jokiic. It took it was until
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: he started winning MVP's giannisill was till he won the championship.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Jay he's just now getting that claim because he won
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: MVP and he's now in the finals. Tatum, he wasn't
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: considered a superstar til he won the championship and then Luca.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: He's just been one of the most dominant players over
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: this eight year run. Steph Lebron, Katie, we don't have
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: to talk about those guys. I think the guys on
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: the brink. I definitely say Wimby he's on the brink.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: The only thing that his problem is is he does
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: not play games. If he played games, well it's only
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: this year, it's only this year.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: But he like, yeah, he's not injury or he's not
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: injury he's.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: That injury prone.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: But like it's just that in the playoffs. Yeah, he
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: has to be there. That's thee that's my thing. Okay,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: so you added marketability in there. There's not a more
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: marketable player in the entire NBA besides DA maybe Anthony,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: but globally it's Victory that's the most marketing he's literally
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: being marketed by the NBA globally, you know.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: So it's like, I'll say that I agree with you.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Those three plus the marketability now it plays the game.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: And I feel like Tyree Salliburton, if you just like
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: the apparently the quote unquote basketball purists, if you love
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: watching those.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Drive and imagine Tyree Caliburn.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you see, so he definitely fits that. And for
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: the basketball purists, for those people out there that say
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: they love watching the game basket or love watching great back.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Those are the people that say they love watching the
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: game and the ones that right the nineties like get
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: out of here.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true. So I feel like those three
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: are great plus marketability. So I feel like Aunt his
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: biggest thing is what's trying to like project him into
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: the superstar is a marketability ty Reese. Only thing is
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: missing is an accolades. Wimby. The only thing missing is
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: he needs to play in the playoffs. Honestly, Honestly, whenever
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: he starts playing in the playoffs, then it honestly, he
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: just needs to play a series in the playoffs, and
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: I'll consider him a superstar in all honesty. Jalen Brunson
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: that's one where it's tough. I cannot consider him a
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: superstar just because the fact he hasn't won enough on
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: a consistent basis. I know, he's barely getting his old team,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: but he hasn't won enough yet to be in the superstar.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, but there's many players that have been in
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: the same position as well, you know, like that's true.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: It's just sorry, like you just don't cut it, you know,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: like you win Carmelo Anthony, you know, really honest, you know,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: like so it's just DeMar de Rosen like like you know,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: like there's just players like we're being I was thinking
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: about this the other day. If Lebron didn't exist, Martin
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Rosen would be in multiple championships like it just so
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: it's just like and people don't. People forget that, you know,
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: and that's because you didn't reach that status to being
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: considered a superstar. You know, it just didn't if you
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: got up to there. You know, people forget that. The
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Marta Rods and the Toronto Raptors were consistent number one
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: and number two seed for six straight years. So it
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: was just kind of like, yeah, you probably didn't even
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: remember that. So it's like, you know, it's like.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I remember that, No you didn't know. You didn't al
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: was old enough by that time.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: No, No, But I'm just saying like it leaves your
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: memory fast, you know, like it's like until someone brings
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: it up. So it's just kind of like it's like
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: one of those things multiple players have been number one
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: players on their team, but the other two things just
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: didn't come into play as well.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I think, Okay, this is kind of off topic right here.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: After twenty sixteen, I already considered like Lebron might go.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: But after I watched that twenty eighteen run, like those
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: games I remember well, was watching certain playoff series act
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: like that's how special run that Lebron had. It's like, oh,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: I remember being here and watching this game exactly like.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: I think after after he won, after he won the
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: COVID Championship, after he won the Bubble, I feel like
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: that's when I considered him to go.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Really it was bro After twenty eighteen, I was like,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: I don't need to see another player walk the face
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: of the earth.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Due I was still also like on the like Tim
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Duncan beating him his twife, you know, like so it's
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: kind of.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, that is true, man Duncan, he's just so underrated,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: most underrated superstars. Honestly, I think just because he wasn't
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: flashy you. I'll tell you what. Even though the spurs
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: there were like a big talk he I feel like
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: he wasn't as marketed as good as he should have been.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: People don't respect greatness, bro, People don't don't respect greatness.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: This's is the truth of it. Yeah, they'd rather hype
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: up Derek and Kevin Garnett, who won one ring in
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: their entire career. So how many how many MVPs of
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Duncan if you combine, if you combine hakeem strings, Dirk's rings,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: and Kevin Garnett's rings and Caromelane's rings, they still have
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: one less than Tim Duncan.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: I see what you did there. I see I see
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: what you did there.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Like if you bring them all together like on one
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: infinity stone still doesn't equal five.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Oh man, Okay, I'm trying to think. I feel like
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: on the edge of Superstar is Wimby Brunson, ant Tyresee,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell. Is there anybody else for missing?
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: I feel like Mitchell will never reach it.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I don't think he will, but he'll always be on
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: the brink.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: M hm.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: I feel like.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Who's right there, Stephan Castle, d Aaron Fox, Kobe White, uh,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Nildon Johnson, Jeremy Sohan.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Kate Cunningham. I would say he's.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: That's arguable, that's arguable. I feel like at a certain
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: point Trey Young was there, but he just never he's
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: I don't think he'll ever get to that. I think
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: he's hitting.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: That.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Is Kyrie a superstar? No, I don't think so. I
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: don't think so.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: According to he's a superstar, would I know? I wouldn't
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: consider Paulo up there. I wouldn't. I would say Paulo
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: is a star, not a not on the brink of superstar.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: I would say that.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: No.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: But all right, any last things before we get into
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: this finals preview right here, I'm just.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Trying to think of, like who else is considered right there? Uh,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Devin Booker, See Devin Booker, He's always if he can
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: just get a ring. I feel like, dude, his career
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: would be looked at a lot differently. Like dude, he's
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: one of the best scorers of all time, Like if
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: I like bar none, Like he's one of the best
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: scorers of all time. It's just what do we get,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Like you gotta win something, bro Like you gotta win something.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: He was close, He was close. He was close one year.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: But would you would you consider Kawhi a superstar still?
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: That one's tough.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: I thought you said if you always had it, you
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: never lose it.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, by my criteria, yes, Kawhi is a superstar.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: I think he just compared to Lebron, Katie and Steah,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: he hasn't.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Feel like I feel like hear me out this is
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: this is gonna sound terrible coming from my mouth. Guys,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: this is gonna sound terrible. In the twilight of his career,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I'm starting to appreciate Kawhi like ten percent more.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Hey hey, compared to the Kawhi hate that you always
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: say on the phone or like after we're dealing with
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: the pod. That's improved.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying I like the guy. I'm not saying
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: I like the guy at all. I despise him, but
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: I'm respecting his I'm re respecting him a little bit
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: more each and every single day.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: You just say you went through the you went through
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: the stages of grief.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: But honestly, I would still hate him. If we didn't
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: have Wimby, Like I'm being completely honest, Like, if we
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: didn't have Wimby right right there, Like you know how
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Wimby equates a championship for me, I don't know about y'all,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: but that's just that's just me as a Spurs fan.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: He equates a championship. That's just me.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you this, Yes, what if what
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: if Wimby never wins a championship? He has all these
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: accolades and everything, how would you view him.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: A bust?
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: You can bus bro, Like if women don't win a
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: championship and he's considered the greatest prospect in the history
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: of basketball, Like, come on, like you have to there's
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: a there's a level of a level that you have
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: to reach. Lebron reached it, it's your turn.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: But I will say I probably won't care as well
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: because my fandom runs so deep into the Spurs, Like
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: I just love watching the Spurs play basketball, even when
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: they lose twenty four straight games like they did two
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: years ago.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: So that was rough, Josh.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: I'm just here enjoying enjoying my Spurs.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: That was rough, Josh.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: That was that was, but I was waiting for the
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: light at the end of the tunnel and he was
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: seven foot five.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: That is that is a lot of light coming out
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: of that tunnel right there. Holy crap. Now, all right,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: let's go ahead and get into this finals. Pev you
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: right here, which we've talked about the series before, but
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: get down to the nitty gritty Oklahoma City Thunder versus
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: the Pacers. I don't remember the exact thing that I
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: sent you, but these are the two teams with the
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: best records since January first, So Josh, let's just go
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: ahead and get to the point. We'll talk about why
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: we picked them all down the lines. Who's your finals prediction?
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: And why give me the Oklahoma City Thunder Even though
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: I hate it the Oklahoma City Thunder. I want the
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Pacers to win, guys, just so you know, like I
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: want the Pacers to win the NBA Championship, give me
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: the Thunder in five games. I feel like it's just
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: gonna be a clean, gentlemen sweep. I think the Oklahoma
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: City Thunder are too good. They dominated the Eastern Conference
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: all season long twenty nine and won the best in
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: NBA history. Is just I think it's gonna be a
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: cakewalk for them. I think there's gonna be a two
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: games for the Patriots. Give them a fight, but the
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Thunder they're just too big, too fast, too good defensively,
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: too good at the three point shot. This isn't This
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: isn't Mitchell Robinson or col Anthony Towns. This is Isaiah Hartsteign,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Jaylen Williams and Chet Holmgren who constantly go at you
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: game in and game out and can stretch the floor.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: It's just and then and then Hartenstein isn't even those
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: type of big men that has to be in the paint,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Like he can play at the mid rangers throw up
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: that that hook over and over again if you want
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: to do that left handed, which yeah, So it's just
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: kind of like and then he played he plays on
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: the perimeter as well, so he doesn't interfere with them
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: with Shay's games. So it just kind of like it's
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: it's just too gonna be too I feel like the
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Pacers are gonna make some good adjustments. I feel like
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Rick Carlisle is gonna have a coaching master class. Don't
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: get me wrong, but to say that they beat the
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Thunder in less than if they may get six, but
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: I'm saying in five Oklahoma City Thunder.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: So I think this is the first time, like since
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Round two, we finally agree on the exact series and
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: the exact amount of games right here. So yeah, no,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: I'm taking the Oklaho Holme the City Thunder here first,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: and let's go ahead and get into as far as
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: more detail right here. So okay, So there's two different
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: ways that the Thunder they can go right here. As
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: far as their matchups, they go with their normal lineup,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: which they've been doing the entire time, Shaye Lou, Door,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Jadab Chet and iHeart, which they did in the two
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: games rest the Pace in the regular season, or to
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: kind of match what the Pacers do the running Gun,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: they go Shay, Alex Cruiz, so, Jadub Lou Dort and
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Chet home Grid. So I feel like that's gonna be
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: two different styles. Which way do they want to go
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: with that? But I feel like the biggest thing, no
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: matter what in this series you could look back at
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: any box score is transition points and points off of
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: turnovers the Oklahoma City Thunder. This is like oil and
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: oil and water right here. Oil As far as the
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Thunder being the best defensive team in the league almost
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: historically always gets turnovers no matter who the team is,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: compared to the Pacers, who are like water this well,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: this well run machine right here, and they cause no turnovers.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: It's just pure basketball. And these two series hoops.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Baby, it's pure.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Hoops and these styles are just clashy. And I'll say
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: this for the Pacers offensively, Pascal Siakam is gonna have.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: To, dude, Miles Turners, Thomas gonna have to have a
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: big series, like I expect Pascal Siakam to get his
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: I feel like he's a big mismatch in the NBA.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Like I feel like a lot of teams can't guard
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Pascal Siakam game in and game out because what he
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: can just his size and what he's able to do
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: is stretch the floor, shoot the threes, get inside mid range,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: like he has it all offensively, you know, Like, if
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: we're being completely honest, it's just I think Miles Turner's
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: gonna have to have a big series, Like I think
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: if they're gonna have any chance in the world, he's
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: gonna have to fight tooth and nail. Bro Thomas Bryant's
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: gonna have to have a big series, bro, Like there's
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: gonna have to be some They're gonna have to fight
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: for those rebounds. Bro. Yeah, I just don't see it happening. Like,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: I just don't see that happening, especially with one of
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: the best rebounding teams in the entire NBA, especially Alex
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Caruso gets rebounds, So I don't know, like it's gonna
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: be h Ga gets rebounds. He gets more rebounds in
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: than assists. So it just kind of like that is true.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not wrong. Okay, let me list you a
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: couple of things here. So I look through everything. Tyre's
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Halliburn in the matchups in the regular season versus any
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: other team had a twenty one percent uses rate, which
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: is about normal for him if you watch they always
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: passing the ball around. But versus Okay, see, he only
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: had a ten percent usage rate they got. Yeah, And
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: the biggest thing I kind of want to lead on
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: into you is Tyrese Halliburn gets really passive at times.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: You saw that versus the Knicks. You saw that at
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Spurts against the Calves. So can Tyre's Halliburn be this
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: consistent and can can we see on a consistent basis.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: What was it the thirty two, fifteen and twelve something
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: along those lines, So no, Calton can can he play
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: up to the level of Shade on a consistent basis?
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Here, Josh, if Tyres does that and wins the championship
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: or Oklahoma City Thunder, he is a superstar, Like I'm
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: not gonna he is a superstar. But no, he's not
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: gonna do it, like I I'm sorry, Like it's just
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: one of those times where I just I have no
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: doubts in my mind who the champion is gonna be.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Like I will put my house if I owned a
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: house on Oklahoma City Thunder to win the championship.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: If I could bet my dad's house right now, I
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: would bet.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: No what I'm gonna bet my dad. I'm gonna bet
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: my dad at the Oklahoma City Thunder to win the championship.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna explain bore to that into that right there,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: But all right, three other key points I want to
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: bring out here for you, Josh. For the Pacers offense,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: the first step, can they get the ball up the
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: floor because OKC has constant ball pressure, they pick up
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: full court. Two, can they get the ball to the post, entry,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: because we've seen Oklahoma City swarm versus Julius Randalls swarm
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: versus Nicola Jokic, all these guys. And then the third step,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: which is even if they get past points one and two,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: which probably won't happen, what happens. Can Andy run the
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: full twenty four every single possession without Tyres if the
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: ball isn't turned over. Those are the biggest things right there.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: And I just saw them struggle in Game five where
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: the Knicks did press them full court. Yeah, we saw them.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Can they out? That's just the thing with the thunder,
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: Like even when SGA is gonna be off as a
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: primary defender off of Tyre's heliber and they're gonna have
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: lou Dort, they're gonna have Alex Cruzo, they're gonna have
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Isa Joe, They're gonna have Case on Wall. Yeah, Like,
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: it's just too many players that can play on ball defense.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: They may not be these great scorers outside of SGA,
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: but they're gonna they're gonna create some on ball pressure
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: where SGA is gonna get open buckets, where someone's gonna
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: be open and transition more often than they're not. And
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: it's like it's just hard to say, bro, this is
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: the too many variables that have to happen for the
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Pacers to win, and if they do, it would be
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: a miracle. Like I just honestly, I honestly do think that.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: I think it's one of those things where we're gonna
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: look back. Is Tyrese led led, Miles Turner and Pascal
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: Siakam to the championship, you know, like you know, it's
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: like and people in the future who don't know how
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: good they are now you know, it's gonna be like dang, Like,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I just think Andrew Nimhard, Benedict Mathern
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Aaron's gonna have to shoot a three, make a threes
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: a game. It's just like this is gonna be I
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: don't know. It's just oh man, I'm just I'm happy
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: they got there. And I'm sad that Thunder are gonna win,
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: but it's just gonna Thunder are gonna win.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And Okay, the last thing I'm gonna throw into
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: here before like I throw throw it to the other
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: side is I feel like the Thunder they've shown this
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: versus the Grizzlies, versus the Nuggets, versus the Timbowolves. You
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: have to pass their tests on defense. First, can you
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: play them at a man to man, which Jokis was
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: the only one that I was able to play them
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: at a man to man? Then can you beat their
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: zone coverage? Then can you beat their switching? So you
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: have to go through all of these variables just to
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: even try to crack the Thunder defense. So it just
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: shows how historic this Thunder defense really is.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be one of the greatest. When they win
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: this ring, they're gonna be one of the greatest teams
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: in the history of basketball. I think so too, by
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: far behind the greatest team of all time, the twenty
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: fourteenth San Antonio First No. Sixty seven wins. Sixty seven wins.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: They're up there, but they're not for.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: To one versus Lebron d Wad Chris Bosh defending champions.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Hey, okay, see, they had sixty wins this year.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: They're not playing Lebron d Wade and Chris Bosh.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying. I'm just saying they played nicolei Okic.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: I still think they're better than the seventy two win Bulls.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: I think they're better than the KD led ok I'm
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: getting I'm taking I'm taking. I'm taking just the bench
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: alone versus any starting five. Give me Patty Mills, give
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: me boards, d ol w dl bro Yeah, give me,
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Marco Bellinelli, give me all them fools. It's raps baby.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: Twenty seventeen Warriors.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: Yep, done.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, now I know you're just bus I'm not joking.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: I'm not joking. I said this earlier today too. I'm
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: not joking.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: They are not beating the twenty seventeen Warriors.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well tell Lebron in his prime that. Tell
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Chris Bosh and his prime that Tell Dwayne Wade in
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: his prime that d Wade was not and you know
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: how good Mario Chalmers and Nora's cole were at that time.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Tell them that old start.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Tell Ray Allen that actually te Tell Shane Battier that
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Mike Miller that tell Riding has them that Donna's has
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: been That's what they should call him, you know, you know,
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: has been good before he made you know, tell who
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: else was on that team. Anthony, Joel Anthony was on that. Yeah,
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: tell Joe Anthony that. Tell and tell Chris Bosh when
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Monsoble is coming down the lane with the left hand
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: slamming all over his face. I forgot on the way
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: to a championship.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: I forgot about that, honestly.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Tell Lebron going on always to the rat getting stuffed
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: by Tiago splitter. How about that? How about that?
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Whoa, Now you're talking about my goal? Now, now you're
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: talking about.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: Now yeah, yeah, whatever, alright, let's go ahead and tell
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: them with Kawhi, Leonard coming off coming when he's looking
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: back at the free throw line, turns around, says, you know, so,
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: it's kind of like, yeah, you did do that, he
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: did do that. You know what, give me that team,
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: Give me Kawhi guarding up against your best perimeter player, raps.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: You know what, give me kd On Kawhi. You know,
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: give me kd On Kawhi at that time. Give me Katie.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: What about Steth Curry?
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: We got bodies, bro, We got bodies. Were in the NBA.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: We were the best defense in the NBA as well.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: We were also the best three point shooting team in
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: the NBA as well. Also, you know, most assists per
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: game in the league. How about that? How about that?
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: How about Prime? Steph Curry, Prime, Kevin Durant Prime, played
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Thompson Prime.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Blame Danny Green would Dan Danny Green Danny be Ran
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: so Clay Thompson could walk you know, all right?
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: All right, all right? It would be a five game series.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: It would be you're right for the San Antonio Spurs,
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: a gentleman's sweep. It would be just like, just like
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: they gave bron Brown one, they'll give Stephie steph and
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: and and Cupcake over there, they'll give them one as well.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Hey, I forgot about that. I forgot that he had
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: that nickname for a little bit.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: But all right, he's Draymond and puts him in a blender.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, sees offense versus Indies defense right here? Okay, so
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: how I have this? You could?
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: I didn't mean to go on a rant there, guys,
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: didn't mean to go on a rant there. I feel
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: like I had to say that. I feel like I
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: had to say it.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Seems like you needed to get that off your chest.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: Right I did? I did?
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: You did?
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Michael Jorian would be shipping bricks if he saw Kawhi
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: Leonard come off the sideline. I'm just telling you that,
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: my bad. I shouldn't have cuss there. Made just how
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: to happen. It just had to happen. Hey, Tony ko coach,
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: we got twelve Tony cou coaches on our team. We
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: literally do.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, you're You're honestly not wrong there. So okay,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: here's how I haven't played. As far as matchups, you
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: could disagree. I think Andrew Nimhart is going to be
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: on Shae. I think ty Reee is going to be
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: on Low Dort, Aaron Smith on Jay Dub.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: Pascal Chi on j Dove. Wrap it up, dude, well
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: either either.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: The reason why I have nim Hart on Shay is
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: because he was on Jaylen.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: He's the best per He's gonna play against the best.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: And I think Nie Smith, I'm not saying physicality, but
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: athletic wise matches up with Jadub.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll see that. Yeah, I can see that they're both.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: They're both good. Like. I don't think there's like a
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: huge separation.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now there is.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: But I just want to be optimistic for the Pacers.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: And also, I'll say this the two games at the
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Thunder One, Chad did not play in any of those games,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: so they're playing a whole different element here. And how
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: I mentioned the small ball lineup, if if it changes,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: ty Reese is going to be on Caruso, nim Hart
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: still on shay Nie Smith's still on Jay Dubb, Pascal
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: is going to be on lue Dort so he could
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: kind of roam around, and Miles turn is going to
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: be on Chet. But as far as with Shaye, what
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: he averaged versus the Pacers, and this just guess, guess
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: the stateline, Just guess the satelline. What he averaged in
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: the two What was the question? Guess shase statline in
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: the regular season what he did versus the.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: Pacers forty points, eight assists, seven rebounds, three stills.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Honestly, you were damn close. Three sales, thirty nine points
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: a game, seven rebounds, seven assists.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: Damn right there, that was great. But I mean, I know.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: Sixty four percent from three also.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Like I know twenty fourteen Spurs were whip both these
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: teams asses. Not the thunder not the thunder all right,
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: all right, all right, not not.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: The thundering if they played them in the second round.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, Tim Duncan w was he checked and be like.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Who's guarden?
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Shae kah Is be like, Chiago, you got this fag?
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: You got you got it?
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: You got Who's guarden? Shade Kawhi, who just guarded Okay,
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna put it like this, Kawhi has guarded Shaye
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: in the regular season before, right.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: I just why having to proved something before injuries?
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: First of all, I don't think.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: I don't think Kawai Kawa. I ain't worried about scoring
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: right now, Bro, why worry about one thing, and that's
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: stopping someone else from scoring? He's not He's not getting
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: scored on. I'm telling you that. If you want to
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: say that, put me put Manu Bro going charge. Yeah,
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: Manu's gonna They're the same height, They're the same height.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: Gonna get him done that don quick.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: That don't mean that, don't mean he's as good.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: You want to know the flop king. You know who
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: brought flopping into the NBA. Manu Genobili brought flopping to
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: the NBA. You think you think this is no bro,
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: he's gonna he can't show him what's what the business is?
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: Who do you think James Harden learned it from? You know? Like,
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: come on, James Harden said it himself. I modeled my
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: game after Mono Genobili.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: So it's like, no, hes gonna have his way with
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: no he's gonna have his way with You.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: Know, there's there's some things that I believe that Kobe says,
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: and one of them is saying that Mono Genobili was
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: one of the hardest player he ever played against. That's
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: a lot I'm gonna believe.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say something else, but let me know.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: You know, you know what my age nobody did in
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: two thousand and four. Go look it up. Go look
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: at what he did. Go look what he did in
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: the Olympics by himself. Bro, Go, look he beat this guy.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: He beat this guy. He beat this guy in the Olympics.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: He did. Yeah, he'd play, He'll be the number one option.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: He'll be wraps.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, as far as with this defense, So the PACER's
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: main game plan is they have constant ball pressure ninety
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: four feet, which they did versus the cast, which it
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: did versus the Bucks, versus the Knicks. But here's the
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: main problem, Shaye. Whenever you put full full court pressure
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: on him, that's an advantage towards him. Throughout these two games,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: every time they put full court pressure on him, he
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: attacked them every single time. And I think the only
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: thing if you disagree with this, the Pacers' best chance.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: It's not gonna be Manda man, It's not gonna be switching.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be zone packing the paint and just hoping
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: that the role players don't make their threes and close
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: out as best as possible. I don't know if you
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: agree with that.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: I just feel like Shay's gonna do what he's been
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: doing all year. Like I really don't have like anything
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: else to overanalyze about it. Like, I just think Shane's
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: gonna get to the rack. Like you said, I think
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: he he he lives for the pressure because it gives
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: an opportunity to draw fout, gives an opportunity to attack
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: you because he's six foot six and he can do it.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: So it's kind of like, I just don't think there's
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: an option right now.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: You know, one of my friends is in shorter than
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: Shay and he's not even.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: A rim grazer or rim grazer. Yeah, not even gets
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: hyped up over dumping on five foot seven guys. Bro Okay, Okay, like, hey, let.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: Him have his moment. Let Davey have his moment for
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: dunking on a five to seven guy. And I like
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: how we said Bonzo Josh your next like, ooh, if
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: you don't dunk on me, that's gonna be embarrass.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: The last time he tried dunking on me, I blocked him.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, really, I did.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: Well, Damien. He could barely dunk, Like to him, he
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: could barely do.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: Bro. If I was six five, Bro, i'd be like
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: we've been three sixteen on that on that rim, Bro,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: Like I would not be through the legs. I can
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: touch rim at five seven right now, bro, Like you
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: give me two more Like, dude, if you give me
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: four more inches of three more inches of vert, I'm
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: dunking the basketball like I'm doing exactly what Damien does.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm rim grazing. Are you doing? I'm doing exactly
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: what Damien?
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: I'm like right there, I'm like an inch or two
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: away from just touching the rim and I'm five four
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: or five? I have something like that.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, bro, bros cooked, Bro you know what? Bro?
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: What what?
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: I want to see him play versus like s g A,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: Like I just want to see it get like, well,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: he'd be talking all that about s g A all
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: the time, like you guard SGA.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well didn't he when y'all played in that tournament.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: Didn't he get body?
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: Oh he got Allie looped on twice. Bron know what,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: Like he got he got dunked on, he got Yeah,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: I had this big, old white guy kind of just
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: bullying him and throwing elbows in him. The guy scored
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: on him then threw the ball at him like. It
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: just wasn't fun. It wasn't fun. I did bad. I'm
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: not gonna say I did good, but I wasn't getting
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: dunked on. I'm just saying I wasn't the one getting
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: dunked on.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: Uh. Whenever Dave's on the pod, whenever he is a
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: chance to defend himself, but was there too.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: It's he's cooking like no one's gonna defend him. Like
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: no one's defending him.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: He's gonna just have to live with that. L But No,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: to wrap up with this, I just think that the
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: Thunder they're more athletic, and they have the better superstars.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: Even if even if Tyrese plays up to the superstar level,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: she is still a better superstar and just all fast
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: of the fastest of the game, the Thunder are better
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: and that's why the Thunder they're winning in five.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: Any other whatever you think Tyrese is gonna do, shas
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: gonna do.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, he's gonna match it. Any other last takeaways
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: before we get into our last topic.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: Nope, I set all my piece in three different eras.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: I'm good.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you went into twenty fourteen Spurs rant there, But.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: Alright, nineteen eighty five Lakers and Celtics think they got
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: a chance to get out of here. Get out here, Kareem, Kareem.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: That's where your Spurs bias is kicking it.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: But wait, wait, just wait till Duncan hits him with
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: a fade away off the bank. Bro Kareem would be like,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: that's what witchcraft right there?
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: What happened? What happened in twenty thirteen Game seven, Tim Duncan?
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: What happened in the final minutes? Didn't he miss one
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: of his signature spin move layups? Just wondering, just wondering.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: I was wondering.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: I didn't say twenty thirteen, I said the twenty fourteen team.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: I'm just wondering. I'm just wondering what happened.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: I blame why we lost twenty thirteen. You know, didn't
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: have Tim Duncan in the paint to get a rebound
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: in the last minutes.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: Right about Game seven? What about Game seven?
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: Would have never happened?
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: Still it still happened. Tim Duncan played Game seven, last
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: time I checked?
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: All right, the last time y'all played in the championship?
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: How about that we played? When was the last time
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: y'all played? What happened in twenty eleven, game one of
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: the first round.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: Hey, I'm not trying to be funny here, but that's
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: a low blow.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: That's what happened there?
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: Blow there?
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: What happened there?
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: Derrek Roll's got hurt. Damnit? Derek got hurt? Damnit?
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: Because what happened next year? What happened the next year
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: after that?
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: He didn't play? Damnit? He didn't play. He was hurt.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: Happen this year after that?
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: Then Nate Robinson twenty nine points in a fourth quarter
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: in overtime versus the Nets. That's what happened. I still
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: remember that game, just so I remember watching that game,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: and we're down.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: At least we don't retire cripples jerseys, that's all. Whoa whoa,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: whoa What I'm saying, whoa, whoa whoa? You went too
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: far there? You went too far there? Hey, you started
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: coming at me first. How about that.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: That's below the belt there, literally below the belt with.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: Mike I never had to watch I never had to
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: watch Michael Carter Williams lead my basketball team. It's all
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. At least Kevin Johnson's watchable.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: Let our team get it right. The tank commander camp.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: Kelvin Johnson has a gold medal.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: You know, nobody Jimmy Butler, he had a gold medal
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: for us. Trying to think anybody else. I think it's
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: just Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler. Hey, Nicole Mirichich won a
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: euro League championship.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: If you want to go to Spurs and EU League
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: champions talking, we had everything one of them. I don't
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: know what you're talking about.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: Hey, I'm trying to bring up stuff.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to break out the best to the two
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: best Frinch basketball players in the history of basketball. We
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: had the greatest Spainyard of all time. Pala Gasol played
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: for us, Like, who did y y'all need to I
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: get it, I get it.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: But we traded him there, Hey, who's the one that
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: started bringing euro players to the league and started making
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: it more known. It was Tony Ku coach and the Bulls.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: Right there. He was the first guy that was really
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: the main say Euro guy was like, you know what,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: let's start bringing Euro players. Can you know what? I
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: don't want to do this because I hate this right
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: I hate this right here with the passion come from
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: a Lebron fan. Who's underfeat in the finals? Michael Jordan
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: and Tim Duncan huh huh? Which which team has lost
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: in the finals, the Spurs or the Bulls? Just wondering
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: every time? Hey, every time.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: History the san Antonio, who has the highest winning person
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: into NBA history, the san Antonio? And who has the most.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: Who has more rings? Who has more rings? And who's
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: undefeated when they get to the championship.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: Bro, your team ain't even relevant in the last three decades.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: Bro, And y'all still haven't caught up. And y'all still
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: haven't caught up.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: I hate you.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: I want to use that last resort. You made me
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: pushed the glass break button. You made me push that button.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: You're one of them.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, I don't want to use it, but
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: you made me use it.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: You're one of them. Jordan lover, you know.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: What's so crazy for me being a Lebron fan. People
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: think I hate Jordan, but like I really don't. It's
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: just people they always back me in a corner with Lebron,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Like I literally have a Jordan poster. I know the
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: audio lists can't see a Jordan post in the back.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: And then Jordan's right there. So he's still one of
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: the most beloved players by me. It's just Lebron's better,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: That's that's.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: All it is. But all right, we got Lebron. M
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: You know what, Hey, First of all, anyone that wants
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: to argue Kobe over Lebron, look at the head ahead
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: matchups by the way, Yeah, look at who's sixteen and
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: six head to head, Just saying, tell me why from
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: sixteen and six heads a head, tell me why I
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: saw something?
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: Somebody says Lebron wouldn't survive in Duncan and Kobe's era.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: It's like, do you realize they played in the same era, right,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: Like there's people on there's people on Twitter that are.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: Really we played Kobe was in his prime when when
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: Lebron came into the league for real?
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: One what for No. All four m vps, all of
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: his championships, well, Kobe wasn't his prime the last one,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: but Duncan was, so who knows. But all right, we
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: got really off topic there, but let's close it off
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: with this last thing right here. We're gonna close off
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: with the fantasy draft. Obviously it's gonna include the Pacers
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: and the Thunder, but we're gonna twist it up here.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: There's gonna be all time rosters of the Thunder and
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: the Pacers here. So did you want to do eight
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: or ten man rotation? We're gonna do a ten man
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: Make it interesting, make it make it interesting, even though
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: it's probably gonna be more of one team here. All right, Josh,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: I will let you go first year, since you got
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: the last, since you got the conference finals.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: Predictions, right, give me Kevin Durant.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah? What what a chakra there? What a shocker? Where
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: are you gonna put him?
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: At? Am? I four?
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: Got your four? Okayhm? Should I take Shay? Should I
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: take Russ? Where do I want my direction of my
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: basketball team to be? You know what? Just give me shape?
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: Give me Shaye. See.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: I think people may be expecting me to go one way,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: but I think I'm sure my two way, my two
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: way defense give me Paul George at my three.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: Oh you're okay? I want yeah, yeah, I'm gonna put
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: you know, this is the Paul George Bowl. This is
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: really the Paul George Bowl.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: Let's take this all up.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: This he really did set all of this up. I'm
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: putting Shaye at my two. I'm putting Shae at my two.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: Oh am, i gonna have to go James Harden here.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: I know people that are like, oh, Russell Westbrook. No, no,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not going Russell Westbrook here. I'm gonna have to
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: go Chap because.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know where I'm going with my team. I
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: know where I'm going with my team.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: Gimme, gimme James Harden here. Nice, nice, Paul George again.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: My three, your three? Okay, So at my two, I
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: feel like you have to have solid scoring, a stretched wing,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: a guy that can play defense in his time. I'm
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: in Seattle, very athletic at this time. Give me Ray
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: Allen at my two. Bed. My team's looking.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: Nice, h very very nice. And also before anybody says
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: like something crazy like oh, Chris Paul played on the thunder, well,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: we're talking about like whenever they were good. Yeah, they
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: were good yeah.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: Because ever talking, Paul George was the best he possibly
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: was on both the Thunder and the Pacers, So like
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: you really hasn't been the same since then.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: Hm hmm. Should I just switch it up and go
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: Jeff Green.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: I'm changing my whole line up. I'm just going all
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: the players that were in the Mouse in the Palace.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: If we start losing, we're just gonna start throwing hands.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: Test run art test, Jermaino New Jackson, We're just gonna
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: start throwing hands. Bro. Reggie Miller was the coach, like
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: we're just gonna have it all going down. The Knicks
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: were the other team on the other side of it too,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: so the crazy part, you know.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: What, I know it's early to take a six man,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: but I'm gonna do it here, and it's I want
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: this other guy on your team. I'm taking Tyree Saliburton here.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, dang it, that was gonna be my one. To
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: be honest with you, yeah, but at my one, at
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: my one, give me Gary Payton.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: Gary Payton, give me mister triple double.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: Oh ship, I thought you took him.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: No I didn't.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, then I'm gonna take Russell Westbrook. Sorry, I really
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: thought you took him, No, I didn't. Yeah, give me
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: Russell Westbrook.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking as far as like match up, like if
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: you had to contain the paint, And.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: Speaking of that, should I go Roy Hebbert do it? Nah?
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking of two separate players here.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, I know who I would take to secure of
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: my mind?
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: Give me a damn ah, my goodness. It's because I'm
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: torn because I feel like you're gonna take this guy next,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: but I'm gonna take him mister e Bloka himself. Give
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: me Sergey Serge Ibaka.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: Well, then you know what at my five, I need
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: to stretch five. I need someone that plays great interior defense.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: Give me chet Homegren at my five. See, I was wondering,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: but Serge Ibaka was the way that I was gonna go, Like,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be completely honest.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, for sure, I don't you know what. Give
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: me some team chemistry here with Shay right here, and
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: I feel like he could he could throw a body
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: at KD and PG not necessarily stop him. But give
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: me Paul or not Paul George, give me j Dob
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: give me j.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: I canna say, Paul Pierce.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: I was, I don't know why. I don't know why
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, Paul George again, give me j Dob.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: You know what at my sixth man as my sixth man. Hmm.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: Where am I gonna go with this? Where am I
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: gonna go with this? Give me Sean Kemp. I feel
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: like Sean Kimp is the way to go right here.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: I feel like Sean Kemp is gonna be great off
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: the bench, especially defensively, run the court, can fill in
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: whenever we need to spark. Shawn Kemp's the way to go,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: you know what.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: No, I already took Grease, already took Grease. Mm hmm.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: Trying to think like, there's sobody Johnson, there's somebody that's
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: gonna have to be at my floor that could somewhat
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: you know what in his prime, I know it was
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: a very very short prime here, and I think you
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: know who I'm going with here.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: He was he was considered a little bit better than
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: Paul George.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: At this time, Danny, Janny Granger and Solid.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: I know all the old heads. They're probably like, you're
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: not taking Reggie Miller.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: Reggie Miller, but you're not gonna do it. I'm gonna
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: do it, So give me, Reggie Miller off my bench.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: You know what this guy he was.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna have Ray Allen come out of the
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: game and all right, go ahead, Reggie.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: I think what I'm gonna have to do here. I
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: want somebody else who could be or you know what, No,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go with this guy.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with a stretch five here. Give me,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: give me Miles Turner here. I feel like you'll be good.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: Well at my eighth spot. Very underrated player, but in
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: his time in Indiana was a dog and he wasn't
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: hands and he wasn't to throw hands. Jermaine O'Neill.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: See, I was thinking Jermaine O'Neil too, but I was
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: thinking more like a guy that could get to the three.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: But his time, but already I have but in his
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: time in Indiana, Yeah, no, I do with him.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: With him, see, I was torn between them, but I
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: was thinking more like stretching the floor. So Shay and
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: James Harden they could work. You know what, I want
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: somebody to throw another body right here, give me Lou
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: Door here. This is just pure defense right here. I
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: just want somebody who could be a defensive stopper.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: Nice. Nice, So I guess I gotta go with my
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: You haven't taken Gary Payton, have you hold? Then I
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: give me Gary Payton off my bench at my nine,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: my backup point guard. So it worked out. It worked out,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: just ended up getting Gary Payton.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: See, I was thinking, but I already have Reese, James,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: Harden and Shaye, And then I was thinking more defense,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: more athletic. He could switch on the different guys. I
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: know Gary Payton was there, but he could switch on
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: a different guys. Andre Rovers no Babo.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: For real.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: Uh Okay, we're just saying, like these guys they're like
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: just great in like a certain stint, right, it could
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: even be a year or something like that.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: I just feel like how their careers were for these teams,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm gonna leave this up to public opinion.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take this guy here more because he had
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: one great year. And I think I know you're talking
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: about right here, Victory Oladipo. It's it's the swing swing.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: You're gonna go.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: Jalen Rose.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: See that was him too, but he's more athletic than
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: Jalen Rose.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: So with my tenth spot my last spot. Where am
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: I gonna go? See? That's not bad though, m M,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: I know that's why.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: That's why I threw out that name.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: I'm torn between different players, I miss.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking of two different guys right here.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: So I just take Spurs Legend do it. Mmm, I'm
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: trying to. I don't know who I want between these guys. Bro.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: I forgot Victor Oladipo played for the thunder two. Another
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: guy that fits both. You know what, Bro, Ernest cancer, Bro,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: he's right there for the taking.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's gonna come down to throwing hands. Bro,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: you could have taken no bros. He's solid, he's solid.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: Give me, give me Steven Adams. Give me Steven Adams
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: just for the pure hands standpoint. He might not even play.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: That's the thing, he might not even play.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: What you're you're taking somebody who's second best as far
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: as intimidation factors. I'm taking the guy that's gonna be
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: the intimidation.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: Fact guy throws Give me Meta, give me, give me Meta.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: I just need my guys. Jermaine O'Neil, Steven Adams off
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: the bench.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: You know he'll take them all on us.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: Westbrook's not afraid to throw some hands either. You know,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: so Gary Payin. You know we're gonna have.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: All I need is metal world peace, and he'll lead,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: He'll lead the troops. Everybody else will stand stand behind him.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: Are we doing head coaches?
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, we can do head coaches.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, Brett Carlisle or Mark Dagnall, Scott Brooks.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: Give me Mark Dagnoll. Bro Mark Dagnoll, Well, that was.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: One name that you forgot about. Give me Larry Bird.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: Remember he let those true true brother true.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: He led those nineties teams right there almost you know what.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: Give me Reggie Miller, but he gonna play and coach, coach, coach.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: Give you Clarkstead. Hmmm. Who are some other guys that missed?
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: Jack Andre Roberson obviously obviously the best, the best.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: Nate Collison MM had he was. He was just one
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: of those Thunder fan players, you know, like he's there
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: his whole career.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: Wood Mark.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: Mark Jackson. Nate McMillan was also a great one. Dal
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: Lellis during his time with the Super Sonics was pretty good.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: Percy Hawkins was pretty good too as well. Jeff Green
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: was pretty good with the Thunder.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: See I was thinking Jeff Green.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, there's Pasia Pasto Jakovic. But I don't know Alan Stevenson.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: Can I change out my tenth guy?
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: Sure?
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: Give me Pascal Siakam.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: Solid, solid, solid, Honestly, I like my team. I don't.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: I don't think I would have changed my team at all.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so go to name your team so we
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  Speaker 1: could have it for the audio.
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  Speaker 2: Listen at my one, I got Russell Westbrook at my two,
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  Speaker 2: Ray Allen at my three, Paul George and my four
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  Speaker 2: Kevin Durant and my five Chet Homegren. That's a defensive
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  Speaker 2: squad right there. Bro at my six, give me Sean
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  Speaker 2: Kemp No. At my six, give me Reggie Miller. At
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  Speaker 2: my seven, give me Sean Kemp. No. At my seven,
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  Speaker 2: give me Jermaine o'nil. Actually, at my eight, give me
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  Speaker 2: Sean kemp and my nine Gary Payon at my ten,
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  Speaker 2: Steven Adams. I'm have a nine men rotation for sure,
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  Speaker 2: nine men rotation, and.
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  Speaker 1: My starting lineup at the one. Have James harden Shay
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  Speaker 1: at the two, Jada about the three, Danny Grandrat the four,
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  Speaker 1: Sergey Blocker at the five. Then you got Rhes Miles Turner,
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  Speaker 1: lud Or Victor o Ladipo and Pascal Siakam coming off
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  Speaker 1: the bench. I think my team is just pure offense.
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  Speaker 1: That's my team right there.
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  Speaker 2: But my team has the mixture of both. Like my
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  Speaker 2: team's like Steve, like they're this is a pretty good
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  Speaker 2: two way basketball team. Like I would hate to play
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: this team if I'm being honest with you, I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean, like my team has defensive like for sure you
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: have Shay jd Danny Granger's Sergei Baka. I'm not I'm
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  Speaker 1: not defending James Harden. That's my one week that's my
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  Speaker 1: one week point. But Miles Turner, he could guard a
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  Speaker 1: big lou Dor we already know he could switch in
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  Speaker 1: for James Harden. V Oh, he's more, but.
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  Speaker 2: There's more like Russ Russell Westbrook's a good defender, Like
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: he's not the best in his prime, though Russell Westbrook
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  Speaker 2: gets you done, like but Ray Allen, Ray Allen was
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  Speaker 2: okay defender, Paul George though Kevin Durant like in their primes,
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  Speaker 2: they're up there in defense. Chet Holmgren, we already know
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  Speaker 2: what he is. Second best to Victor Wibin Yama, Sean Kimp,
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  Speaker 2: Shawn Kimp is gonna guard one through five like he's
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: he's he's running the court athletic wing. Reggie Miller plays
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  Speaker 2: good defense when he wants to. He was a really
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: good defender when he played in the NBA. Jermaine O'Neil.
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  Speaker 2: If he don't if he don't block you, he don't
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  Speaker 2: hit you. Gary Payton, come on on the glove, you know. See.
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  Speaker 2: And then we got Steven Adams. Yeah, I feel like this.
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  Speaker 1: Is balanced right here. I think it's balanced. I think
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: this is a balance. He could he could lean either way,
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  Speaker 1: and we both have the guys on the bench stet
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: at certain spots they could step in. Obviously. I like
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: my team better.
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  Speaker 2: I like my team a million times more. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's a sweep.
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  Speaker 1: Noah, Yeah for me, Yeah, I'm sweeping you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, i'mna heaven prime Kevin Durant on my team.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: You're just saying that prime Kevin Durant was gonna get
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: wax bye by the twenty fourteen.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: I got Reggie Miller. I got on my bench, bro
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: Gary Payne on my bench.
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  Speaker 1: Guys nineties guys.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: Russell, what don't be that guy bros just talking about
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: is talking about See that's the thing I've noticed in
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: our fantasy drafts. I'm the only person that drafts older players. Yeah,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: like in all of them. Like I noticed that. Like
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: even when we were playing with like Ryan and let
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: me Ryan and Ryan and Damian, I was going I said,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: elgend Baylor, and everyone looked at me like I was crazy.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: Like he didn't average thirty four points per like he
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: didn't go crazy.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: I saw something. I know this off topic, Jerry West
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: his conference finals.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: He won for MVP without without even winning the championship,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: no for real, and.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: Then his conference finals appearances those five different seasons where
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: he averaged thirty five, nine and nine on like seventy
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: percent field goal Like, dude, do you know how crazy
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: that is?
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  Speaker 2: Like see, I don't think that. I don't think okay,
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're as good as now like skill wise,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: but I still respect old play like I respect like
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: how the game was, Like those guys were dogs. Like
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: if we're talking about like peak for peaks, you know,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: a lot of these guys are better than a lot
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: of players, you know, just like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, what's just I feel like they're how
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: many old guys you take? Sean Camp, Reggie Miller, I
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: don't can. I don't consider Jermain O'Neil older. I say
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: nineties and lower. That's what i'd say, Sean camp Reggie
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: Gary Payton, Well you took three, you took three.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: I didn't take any, but I was gonna take Metal
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: World peas well. No, he wasn't a nineties guy. Now,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: but all right, Josh, any last words before we get
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  Speaker 1: out of here.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: No, we're good, brother, We're good, yes sir, yes sir,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: But all.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: Right, before we get out of here, find us on Twitter.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: Watch the Beautiful Game highlights.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, sir, yes, sir. Wait is that the one where
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: they break down film and everything?
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: They show highlights of the Spurs from twenty fourteen. Oh,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: I was thinking of there's a there might be one.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: There might be one, I might say.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: I think there's a podcast that's called something like that.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: One one of the two I know the twenty fourteen
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: sp are called the Beautiful Game, Like that's the Beautiful Game.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: It couldn't have like had a better.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: Nickname, like it's the Spurs bro.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: So so bland, so bland. You don't want That's why
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: Tim Duncan wasn't viewed better because his market.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: Is just the beautiful game, bro, the beautiful game. His
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: marketing was trash, dude, but the way they move the
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: ball around broutful.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: It's beautiful basketball player exactly.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: It's the beautiful game.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: But dude, like you you're telling me you couldn't have
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: a better pr for Tim Duncan. I feel like that's
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: gonna happen to Winby. He didn't want it though, mm hm,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: that is true. Wimby's win Okay, that's the argument I
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: make with people.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: Wimby is the most famous international player in the world,
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: Like I don't know, Like like he's like behind Lebron,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: he's second. Like there's literally the stats are there, like
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: he's the second most known player in the world. Like
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: he's already he just played soccer in his off time
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: in freaking Costa Rica, bro. Like he's like he's everywhere,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: Like he's just not like and then the NBA is
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: already marketing him all these different places. So it's kind
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: of like, yeah, the NBA taking the NBA didn't take
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: out take the time to market Tim Duncan, like they
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: took that. They're taking the time to market Victor winber Yama.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't feel like the Spurs are gonna help
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: market winby it's gonna just be NBA.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: We're just gonna build the team up. We're gonna add
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: a couple of players. This offseason is gonna be over
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: for the league.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe like in like four years after the Thunder
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: and they get done right winning the three p something
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: else somebody, No, I was just joking. No, it's just joking. Wait, if,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: like all hypotheticals, if they happen to keep the exact
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: same roster because they're all very young, then they're the
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: ones who can possibly contend, but they gotta they gotta
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: win a championship first. They gotta win a championship first.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: So no, all right, Well let's go and wrap up
• 1:30:09
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