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Pastor Chris Haymore on Wesley Methodist Church and Global Methodism — Episode 98 · The Town Square Podcast

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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to the town square podcast where local advocates for a better community bring their different perspectives to the messy middle where we can have a conversation where aim is unity, not uniformity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And today we are continuing in our series on faith and community.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And today we have is it appropriate to call you pastor?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yes, pastor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Pastor coach.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Pastor coach.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Chris, a more coach anymore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Pastor, a more welcome to the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: good to be here, good to bet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think I sent you a text.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've, you know, I've got a face for radio.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know how I'm going to have this going to go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see if the, I see what the algorithm does.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If it kicks it back, I feel let's just go out with this thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, man, um, first off, I don't know that you need an introduction to the folks who are in Newton County, but the podcast now goes out to Rockdale, um, parts of Atlanta now, even Morgan and Jasper.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, uh, just for folks who don't know, I mean, you're you're in Newton County native, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you're,
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[SPEAKER_02]: born and bred in this building.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was actually born in a gust.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was actually born in a gust.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I lived there for six months.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My father was coaching football at Evans High School.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Homer Sharp called him up and said, Perry, I want you to come back and coach football and teach here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, yep, and so we moved back when I was about six months old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I've been here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't hear ever since.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Tim about the memories of Augusta.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have no memories of Augusta.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But look, you throw names around like Homer F. Sharp.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like we have buildings and stadiums named after him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, Homer Sharp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, he was, I remember, I remember a sharp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he called and said, Dave, Perry, I want you to come back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's come back, teaching coach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Daddy said, all right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he came on back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you've been here ever since, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you have been your professional life was really in the school system for the most part, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you just give me a list of the schools you, people might remember you from.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I started out on a graduated college graduated from Georgia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I started to go dogs, I started out working at the Oaks Golf Course.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was at that first job I had, and then finally I got a teaching job at Rutledge Academy, which is now closed and I was teaching a coach in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I was able to get a job at Eastside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I worked at Eastside, I guess, for about 11 or 12 years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I went to Al Kovie as an administrator for six years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then to Man's Field as a sister principal and finished up as a principal at Man's Field for the last eight years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's where my wife worked at Man's Field.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So ran into you quite a bit down there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And my father was the principal there in the 70s and possibly early 80s.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, it's real, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, that's a whole other story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Cause I can't skip.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he, he taught her how to skip.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She always reminded me of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She'd say, you're getting to tell me how to skip.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'll have to remind her of that because I am, she makes fun of me because I can't skip.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, when we get into arguments, it's like, the argument breaker is, all right, start skipping.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see, you do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, I can't do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if I have to like, make up to her somehow, I got to skip.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it just, you know, makes her day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't have a Mr. Hayme more to teach me how to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: skip.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, all right, so you're on the show, though, because you're here for to talk about Wesley Methodist, a fairly new church in town, and we'll get to that in just a minute, but because you're in public education for so long, I would just love to know, and now that you're kind of transition role into into being a pastor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What are some of those characteristics and traits and job responsibilities the same?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or, I mean, I know you're dealing with kids for one part and then I don't think it's this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's just relating to people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, seeing people, you know, you upset some people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm done that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think the big thing is dealing with people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know I fall short a lot of times, but I try.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I try to listen and try to treat people with respect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know there'll be some that'll probably tell you some stories otherwise, but uh...
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's dealing with people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would think you have more fans than enemies, though.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, fans is probably a silly word to use, but friends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, more friends than enemies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm also a system.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've also heard a good, I might have shared this with you before, but a good definition of leadership is it's letting people down just enough that they can take at a time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so you've been in public education.
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[SPEAKER_02]: you mentioned that you went to UGA.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, you actually played football UGA, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you were on the team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I practiced for two years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I didn't do very much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did walk on a practice for two years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, there you go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You had a jersey?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to run.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I ran.
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[SPEAKER_01]: between the ages of silver bridges on there you go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was, but, but play it, yeah, that's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, who, who, who was your coach?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It would have been, Dooley was a coach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so you're, you're old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be, I'll be 60 in January.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, well, not that much older than me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm telling you, so under Dooley, that's pretty cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was, it was very, very interesting and I can remember one practice here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He called all the walk on these and said, I want to meet with all the walk on some make a making appointment and come up to my office, you know, and we were all nervous and I don't know if you know this, but if you know, but see and Sam, hey, Bunchy, Leonard or Sam, they were their dad played football at Auburn and actually was a roommate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: it's Newly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so when I got up there and he saw Kevin and Georgia, you know, that kind of, you know, he asked about Mr. Hey, if I knew him and you know, and that kind of broke the ice a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it wasn't, wasn't as intimidating as I prepared myself to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he's a pretty imposing figure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So playing, I mean, being on the team at Georgia, I think that's pretty cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm happy to
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[SPEAKER_02]: Anything from that time period that you kind of hang on to as far as like leadership lessons or teamwork or any of that kind of crazy stuff
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the biggest thing that I got, I learned a lot because I was always on how some scout team stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We ran all the other teams plays.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I learned a lot about how to set things up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when I began coaching out, the organized practice and how to set different drills up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I had to do time and things to that nature.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was one thing that I really, you know, I really, really learned it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So even as a walk-on, you're like paying attention to that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, you pay attention to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you kind of get to feel how they say everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm how they go about doing everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty, it's really a pretty big part of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How you, how you use your practice time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not about time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about, it's not about quantity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about quality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because you're going to lose kids in about two hours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and so you get things done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the games on Saturday are so short compared to the amount of time you've had in practice, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, so practice seems to be the thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, all right, last question about UJ football.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I have a thousand questions, but I mean, how are we looking this year?
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[SPEAKER_02]: All that kind of stuff?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure you follow in it, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: to be honest with all that the NIO stuff, I have not followed it as much as I used to, it's just kind of some of the sheen has been taken off of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I still follow and root for George.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Georgia.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, this is going to be telling coming up too, because you sound like a bit of a traditionalist there when it comes to things like that, like football, maybe maybe religion too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Last question about Georgia football, who are some of the players, like I would know the names of that you played with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's see, Laura's tape.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tim Worley, Keith Anderson, Rodney Hampton, Bill Goldberg, the rest of Bill Goldberg, get put out of a scrimmage by God.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was about my size.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was a receiver and Goldberg was kind of stalking the quarterback in this receiver.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He'll back on him and just kind of blindside in about a minute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Gober went down and said, who hit me and they said it was Jim Boe over there and he goes, Jim, watch you pick on somebody else's eyes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But there were a lot of, I mean, they're a lot of good good people up there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you name some vehicles right there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so you're here to talk about in our faith and community series, you're here to represent, uh, I guess a few churches in town are global method is now right there's a couple of that got three in the county now that are global method is us shallow and starsville okay starsville methods those are those are the three that I know of and then that's only three I believe in the county.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when I was doing my research to try to understand it better, and I know we, you know, I've been following the trajectory of, uh, Wesley Methods, the name of your church, um, from the get-go, uh, and, but, you know, try to better understand global Methodism.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It seems, and we need to at least make the differentiation since it's the purpose of this podcast is to try to help people understand the differences.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The United Methodist Church and the Global Methodist Church where the United Methodist Church was the thing, and the Global Methodist Church kind of came out of that thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In this just on a...
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... at their perspective the global method is perspective is a more traditional orthodox understanding of more and more of i would say more conservative right all conservative you uh... as opposed to uh... i think it'd be safe say the united states some more progressive
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[SPEAKER_01]: But really, you know, we still look at the doctrines, the doctrines of faith that have been in place really, I believe in the ancient church.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that it vastly took, I want to say they were, and try you got a lot more experience of the past and stuff than I do, because I'm kind of new to it and still learning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But 35 articles of faith, I think 39, 39 articles of 39, but Wesley, I think, had done when he went back and redid some there like 20.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But there's still very much the same.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And...
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[SPEAKER_02]: uh... but just a little a little more conservative right conservative viewer scripture uh... i think new way to bet the way to put that that's good and and i want to be careful just even for our viewers to know because as we're going through this series i want everybody understand that we're not disparaging any of the different nominations we're just here to highlight the particular one that you know we have on the show that week uh... and we have some folks coming in from united methods and even uh... a.m.a.m.e.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the uh... african method is the method of the school church so we can get it we're gonna get a
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[SPEAKER_02]: Full, see the full game that if what people could choose is their faith options in Newton County and around our community.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But so a question then would be, if someone maybe grew up, United Methodist and hasn't been a church in a while, if they were to come to a global Methodist Church or particularly Wesley Methodist Church, would it pretty much feel and look the same for the most part?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I believe so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we have, we're going to start out with
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, called the worship, and West, the name Methodist, was really a derogatory term when it was when Wesley and these started this group, when he was in college, and they were very
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were very kind of, he was very strict on how things, how to do things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so they began people began calling me, you know, they're those Methodists over there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have their own little method.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's stuck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It started out as drugged, but it's stuck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think if you go into most Methodist churches or even my experience, and this is from throughout my life, you know, a call to worship.
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[SPEAKER_01]: prayer, opening him, statement of your beliefs for us, the majority of time, it is the Apostles Creed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then a pastoral prayer, and you go into more of the, you know, then the sermon, then a closing him, we do have special music.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That could be any.
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[SPEAKER_01]: could be a more classical type piece or traditional type piece, but we do have some, you know, a little more contemporary.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're kind of blending that there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, we have all spring.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to have it all for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to take that up for the Lord.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when it's on Easter, we take up tea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you're kidding, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm kidding.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm kidding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't take up one on Easter because we've done our services on the square.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The last couple years, uh, the y'all don't do an offering on the square?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of up to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was kind of my kind of thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We set stations up where we have usures.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we let our people know that if you want to give this week,
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll add, well, this past Sunday, we had a hundred and twenty two, so we're average in right about a hundred, but on the Easter on the square, you know, we had three hundred chairs set up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, we had four hundred and something chairs set up this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we draw a lot of a big crowd from outside of our church.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is just me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, you know, here we want everybody to come, but then we take up an awesome question, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we kind of just, it's, it's really, it's not a past to play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just here's the situation if you, if you, if you, oh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you attend Westy Methodist and you want to give this week or if you're here and you would like to help us, this is, you know, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate the perspective.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Particularly with people who are a little bit, you know, maybe cynical of the church or skeptical.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, oh, here we go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Big crowd past the bucket.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I get that man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, well, well strategized there with you and your team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I had to talk about managing people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Talk to families and folks, yeah, I'm out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you are still saying that like, traditional parts of Methodism, you guys would still do you do baptisms with young children or infants and we do, we do baptisms, we have two sacraments in the Methodist Church, baptism in Holy Communion, and that was when I began doing this,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I first, I didn't have Sacramento Authority.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is, and it goes with the安全 church, you know, ordained people, they perform the sacrament.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was told, and help me, you might know more about this, but theoretically, I guess, if you could trace back like this person was ordained by this person, was ordained by this person, by this person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And eventually, you get back to the others, to Peter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, the global method is church so it's now set it up where I am, I'm a at this point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still a, I guess I'm more of a lay pastor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope to be ordained as a deacon next spring.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but we do have the Sacramento Authority to perform, uh, communion and baptisms within our congregate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there is a general conference is coming up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there is a petition to change that where it can be granted by the bishop of the conference or perhaps the elder of the district within that district or within that conference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we do baptize, we do baptize infants.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We get that question loud.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why do you baptize infants?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we look at it for several reasons.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We do think that there is some spare excuse me scriptural background for that, as you know, you know, Cornelius.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Baptist is whole family.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whole family.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's whole household.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, whole household.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, households were baptized plus in the Jewish faith.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At eight, eight days, that's when you're circumcised into the covenant.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and if baptism is a reflection of that part of the covenant.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And plus also one thing that's a little bit different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe with Wesley.
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[SPEAKER_01]: is there's the belief of pervenient grace or preventing grace.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you look at some traditional beliefs, I believe Calvinism says that man is totally inadequate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He can't reach out to God.
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[SPEAKER_02]: To engrave this, to engrave.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, total depravity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this pervenient grace, it's somewhat in a way that God is acting when you're born here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not this allows you to interact,
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[SPEAKER_01]: with God in order to find that because it's a free will.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We believe in the free will.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can turn away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can turn away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we believe that at the outset and that is really
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[SPEAKER_01]: it's an act showing that we're going to raise this child up in the church and they will be able to confirmation it to take their own vows.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But also we see it as a way of God.
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[SPEAKER_01]: God is working right, working among us all the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Even when we don't know it, you know, that's a, I've always appreciated that perspective.
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[SPEAKER_02]: uh... and i think of it may be more pragmatically and this uh... gosh i might lose my theological credit for this but if if when i have a child i'm going to raise it in a Christian home i'm a raise it as if it's a Christian why would i not have it baptised you know i mean like it's like well they got a decide well i've been raising as a Christian like it they didn't really make a decision like there's just part of who we are it's very similar to the jewish faith i didn't ask the kid do you want to be circumcised
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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, especially when you're coming in to convert them at, you know, 25 and 30 years old.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, guys, let's get the circumcision by family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I'm out, buddy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't look that one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, it was part of the deal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you guys do baptism?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You said Holy Communion is the other sacrament.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you guys do that weekly or quarterly?
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[SPEAKER_02]: How are you guys doing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's, we do it monthly, but if you read John Wesley, he thought you should do it every time you got together, every time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he was a good Anglican.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's an open table.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to be a member of the church, and I have to be a Methodist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What John Wesley said is that you have to
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to actively participate in it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't mean by just going up and taking the right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But check your heart, check your relationship, and question what all is going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we have a letter G that's written out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know you talked about that the other day in a podcast, the letter G. We have a reading and response.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we did it differently the last time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I kind of went through and said, look,
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you come up, think about Christ dying for, you know, we say, he died for us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But think about him dying for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we don't believe that the bread turns into the body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't believe that the, in our case, the great juice turns into blood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But just imagine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: bite into the piece of bread and taste and just imagine the flesh that's torn when the nails go through it imagine the blood that drips.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and be active, you know, when you do that, and I tell people whenever I give the piece of bread because we do buy and tension, I always try to make contact with their hand and look them in the eye.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of used a word there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Intention.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now I know for some people, they're like, what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, it's where you come up and we give you the bread.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you can dip it in the cup or you can touch the side of the cup.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you dip it in the cup.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's intention.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now we have done where, you know, you come when we serve the bread and then a little small.
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[SPEAKER_01]: cup of water.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little hard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have an, we don't have an altar in the space we're remaining.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we plan to do that when we have our church built, but right now in tasting it, it works.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It works for us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the opposite of intention is when you actually drink from the cup.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I forget the word for it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's something ancient.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I actually
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[SPEAKER_02]: But in tension there you dip it in the cup or hit the side of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so Baptist and communion you guys They're several of the creeds.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You said apostles Creed probably not seeing creed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I believe there's been counsel of Calcidon Don't ask me on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can recite that tell you it's long right
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so those are parts of Methodist life in general, but also part of the global methods.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, in our community, we've got Baptist churches, non-denominational churches, Pentecostal churches, Episcopal Catholic, all sorts of different churches.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if a person already understands the broad evangelical message, right, like Jesus died for my sins, kind of thing, what is there anything distinctly different about Wesley Methodist?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, first of all, I will say, I don't know if you were the evangelical and, uh, and a cost to movement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, came from Methodism Methodism.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, came out of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which I think a lot of people don't understand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think the anchor can church really.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of churches don't really, I don't want to say a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to say, I want to say,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think West Methodism and Anglican, I think really celebrate Pentecost.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that in thanks, compared to that correct?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, the church calendar, Pentecost, if we want to get a toast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know that
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[SPEAKER_01]: some do not look at it as reverently, I guess, as in methods, which is, again, I'm not, you know, shunning or knocking anything, but we, you know, John Wesley saw Pentecost what
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Trinity, you've got to go to the Trinity there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: God, the Father said in the Holy Spirit, you know, all three and Pinnacles was when the Holy Spirit came down to the apostles, you know, the tongues of flame and the Holy Spirit is really
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really the force that kind of acts within us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: God is working through me with a Holy Spirit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's working through you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Holy Spirit is God.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're all there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All one in the same.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of look at it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I heard somebody liken it to a fire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you see a fire over there, there's just a fire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what a fire is?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the flames or Jesus, the heat is the Holy Spirit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all one in the same.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like that analogy, by the way, because the closer you are to Jesus, the more the more you feel it, we don't want to say the more the flame, but the more that you can feel this fear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't get in the flame.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wesley, John Wesley, when he came over to Georgia, he did not, he was not successful in Georgia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he, but on the way over there were maravians who were on the boat and they went in a bad storm and everybody was scared, but maravians were singing because they said we're not worried this, you know, we're not worried.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Wesley liked that and when he got back to England from Georgia, he actually left saying, I came to save the souls, but who's going to save mine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was, I think he attended a maravian service on Aldersgate Street in London.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Please, it was on the Alders Gate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that the Alders Gate experience where he felt his heart strangely warned.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where he believes truly Holy Spirit working within him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that kind of was a big life-changing moment for.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's very cool, and we keep mentioning John Wesley, but I think it's important for people to know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of the root of Methodism, like you were saying in correct me if I get this wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You might, your Methodism is probably your history is much better than mine, but John Wesley being in a church of England, Anglican, and his brother, Charles.
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[SPEAKER_02]: John and Charles were prolific
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're capturing kind of the youth of the generation at the time and discipling them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess that's where we were going to use this discipleship and that was their method, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: They became the Methodism thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, it was big with, you know, the Evangelical part, they really began open air preaching.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They went out of the churches and went in and had open air preaching.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, when they when it really started here,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Francis Asbury was one of the circuit preachers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they would ride from town to town to town to preach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were circuit rotters, and they did a lot of that kind of preaching in the fields and open air preaching to bring as many people as they could.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there was one person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's last, I want to say his first name was Charles, but I'm not sure, but his last name was Strawberry Edge, who was not an ordained pastor, but he was a young guy who was very, when I say charismatic, I mean, he could draw people in and actually really lit a fire in there a lot of people and he was performing the sacraments when he was not supposed to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He got a little bit of trouble there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but he did you know did a lot to draw people into this movement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, Wesley, they began that open air preaching, that evangelical style preaching.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So now is the so since the birth of Methodism and the global Methodism, certainly since it comes from that,
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[SPEAKER_02]: goes back to that Wesley type, discipleship process, that methodical, discipleship process, it was important that spiritual formation and holiness were part of the program essentially.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you didn't just come in, get saved and then go back and live like hell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's the one thing that is different, you know, Wesley talked about the pervenient grace and then he talked about convincing grace and then sanctifying grace and glorifying grace.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Wesley believed that you could be made perfect in love.
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[SPEAKER_01]: on this side.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's something that's a little different, because we always say there's only one perfect person, you know, on this, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: He made, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Wesley believed you could be made that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So one of the questions that you're asked is, do you feel as though you'll be made perfect in this life?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what you're striving for, is that, you know, you're
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[SPEAKER_02]: That partnership with the Holy Spirit to sanctification, I guess we call it, where it's kind of burning away the stuff that needs to go in your life so that you can become more holy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And one thing you said about a discipleship.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And another global method has changed their mission statement this year to really, after last year, we'll come to focus on disciple-making.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Wesley was big on bands and groups.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These small groups or bands, kind of, there would kind of be like accountability groups.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's where people, you get together with, you read scripture, you study scripture.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can, you can discuss things that are going on in your life, but it's kind of accountability thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was very big on those types of small groups and then bands of Christians.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And is that something that Wesley Methodist, your church, is that something y'all... Well, he's created to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will say that the global Methodist, I know they have all of the pastors and bands, small groups of bands, and they're set up pretty much by district within the conference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: several Bible studies that have really, really taken off, we have a disciple Bible study group that goes through the disciple series, and that's really about 32 weeks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we have upwards of 20 people who will meet, you know, I mean, that some people are going to miss it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's great through the year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's another small group that
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[SPEAKER_01]: that we have on Tuesday mornings where we went through that we just finished going through the catacysm of global methods church, but we meet Tuesday mornings at 10 at a member's house.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to start the book of Acts coming up in a couple of weeks and we also have another on a member who
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[SPEAKER_01]: They had come from, they were living in Pennsylvania, I believe, and they, they moved here, have family and kids and grandkids down here, and they've, they joined at Wesley Mathes, and he came in and said, look, I want to lead a Bible study.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to, hopefully we'll get a men's Bible study going in early September, probably meeting Friday mornings at
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're starting off at seven o'clock so we can get folks and come in and go to work and looking at the gospel of John.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's very good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I tell them I said, the one thing I'd like today, not only when you get a Bible studies, and okay, you guys $10 for the book, you know, we're just going to use the Bible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, yeah, study that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's fantastic, man, and I love to hear at least a lot of things you just described going on as part of discipleship within Wesley Methodist.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So real quick, because a lot of people have this question, you know, obviously the best way to see if the church, if someone wanted to come visit the church, is to come visit the church.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can't describe it really, but let's just answer some of the questions people might have, like a typical Sunday at Wesley Methodist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... someone can't currently meet in a petry academy petry academy in the gym yeah all right so like they pull up they they come they walk in what would they see in here so they walk in what are they going to see they're going to be people there at the door to greet you can see people milling round now we're a late arriving group for those that those who want there for Sunday school we're a late arriving group i'll go in there i think it's ten to twelve and i mean ten to eleven and there's but then then people people come in uh... and we
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are several of our usher's that they make a point to let me know, hey, this person came in, did you see them speak to my, and I'll say yes or no, and go and speak to them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We always say there's a sweet, sweet spirit in this place, and I believe they're truly yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People will greet you, people are friendly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a seat set out on the floor of the gym, but we also have the peanut galley in the back where there's still bleachers in that gym pull about that people will sit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and they like to sit there and you know we had talked about moving into the new theater that they have a repeater academy but we said no not until we go into our new building because we didn't want people not to come right because there's something like sitting in those seats the bleachers yeah the nose bleeds for church you know there will be music playing yeah and then uh
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[SPEAKER_01]: we start with announcements, you know, and it's just, we start off with the call to worship and then we go from there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll explain my perspective because I've visited several times and preach there even once once or twice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is a sweet, sweet spirit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is, you can definitely tell there are genuine people there who are happy you're there as your visitor and then it just feels
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's probably what church really is, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a family.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But let's say, like so what is your the primary speaker preacher?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what is that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you go through books of the Bible?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you kind of do topical?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What's your take on that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I try to go through the election area, okay?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The election area is what, you know, if you, the one I always look at is Vanderbilt University.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just look at the election area.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's on the election area?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They've done three years of the time your A.B.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and C. and it tells you for this week, this is the script, you'll have an Old Testament.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It could have a couple of Old Testament, you know, a Psalm and a Pistol and a Gospel rating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I tend to look and go through those, and I would sometimes, I guess, I have done expository where you just go first by verse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'll still one time to look at that and what is something that comes stands out to you and go with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'll try to see if there's something that stands out to me, oh, this makes me think of this or this makes me think of this and then try to build off of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For Easter one year, I looked at, I looked at a,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there were actually looked at two different passages because if you remember when Peter denied Christ, where was he standing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was standing around a charcoal fire.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so Jesus denied him three times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he denied Jesus three times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then later when they see Jesus when they're coming in off the lake,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where do they sit the resurrected Jesus right like he has a right Jesus He's around a fire in charcoal fires.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to talk about and then he asked Peter three times So you know, I kind of saw that said, okay, charcoal fires.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go with that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and and the kind of win
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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of lit that together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you pulled it together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like there's more than it was spatial certainly that there's an event, there's a fire, but there's the smell, there's those tactile things that you can touch and remember that that's pretty good, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, and for people who are listening and going what's electionary, that's just simply like a way to read through the Bible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if it's A-B-N-C's three years, probably a three-year election area where you go through pretty much the entirety of the Bible in three years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you can have reading plans that are based on the election area.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think the election area for the most part is like there's a methodist probably election area, there's a Catholic election area.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But most major denominations have some sort of election area that you can read from.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And essentially, in three years, read through the Bible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was told to
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't always stick to the dictionary because the last couple weeks, I've used parables.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've done four weeks parables.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they said stick to the dictionary because it forces you to do the hard ones.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, forces you to do the hard one that's so I've tried to
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, to do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because the preachers, we have our favorites.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you think we're going to do that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so we're going to get Bible-based preaching.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to get, what about worship music?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of people ask this question.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it, is it Methodist with a band?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it choir music?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it a mixture of both?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What do you got?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, at this time, it is kind of a blend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: OK.
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[SPEAKER_01]: we have and see again with a choir it's hard we don't really have a place to practice so it's hard to do that right uh so we have an ensemble that will sing every so often we have well first of all the first the club opening and closing hymns or they're their traditional methodist hymns got you uh living with a guitar or a piano similar yeah and we have a piano it does that
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then for the special music, we have the ensemble that I'll say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have one person who comes in and sings pretty regular.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Stephen Von Bromsson, I don't know if you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is from South Africa, but he's here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has a family here, and he's saying it's in place of guitar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: it does a wonderful job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have our person who runs our sound system, Scotty, Scotty Skoggins.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He will heal soon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's sung on a regular basis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There may be one Sunday where our panelists just, she plays a, you know, plays a song.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and I'm sure that'll be probably a little more set when we get into our own building and have a space to practice and really can set with how we want to go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, there was one Sunday that I sang.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you sang, yeah, I sang.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You saying, yeah, don't act like I'm supposed to know this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, yeah, well, yeah, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It will give us a number.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, right here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I didn't know that was something that was, I didn't know there was a card that you had.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can say.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll have to talk more about that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What about, like, uh, some people, pretty say come as you are kind of situation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you guys, I mean, do you, are you like a suit and tack out of a church or are you, uh, we're not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all what there's some people that that that
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[SPEAKER_01]: where a suit, where a coat and tie, because that's the way they brought it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the way I was brought up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just called it no tie July, so I didn't wear a tie, but I'll probably start back wearing a tie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wear a tie on my speaks.
40:12
[SPEAKER_01]: We have some people who come in shorts and had a person ask one time that these people showin' up the church in shorts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody needs to talk to him about it.
40:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just say, well, it ain't gonna be me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not gonna be me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because I just want to get them in there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's not the top of your list with their where.
40:30
[SPEAKER_02]: And what about a ball cap when did you like, did they have to think about, get well?
40:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, how far do we, I'm not a big fan of ball caps in church, but I'm not, I'm not either.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not either.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I probably won't tell somebody to take it off.
40:42
[SPEAKER_02]: If I was in a small group, I said, all right, guys, let's pray.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd probably say, I take it off right quick.
40:46
[SPEAKER_01]: If I did, I'd do it after the whole frame.
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[SPEAKER_02]: except on these.
40:51
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, last one about your your specific church is kids.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You guys got kids programs, youth programs, things like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We do.
40:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And I will say this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We just recently added
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[SPEAKER_01]: a new youth person, youth director and champion champion champion champion you know he's a he's a assistant principal at alcove high school and a he says he I'm sorry he said he's right he said yeah athletic director you know I went to Newton I taught at Eastside works at alcove I just you've done it all but he's at Eastside high school he's an athletic director assistant principal
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's in touch with young folks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He says he has a group out there that asked him to meet with him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he meets out there with some kids.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On a regular basis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we're really looking that once we get through the summer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, everybody should be getting it back now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still stars next week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And
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[SPEAKER_02]: Coach, hey, more coach young.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, the staff of, yeah, I told champ, I said, champs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he checks a lot of boxes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he knows he's young, he's, he's, I think he's still one of the cool guys out there on staff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's a nice team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I said, champ, you're me 30 years ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wait a minute, you were one of the cool guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There might have been a time where it was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's very cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you got kids stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Champs are great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a good guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He and his wife are going to step in and do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's very cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Alright.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Tell us where the new church is going because I think he's going to be fantastic.
42:32
[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen it going up on Facebook, but tell us where it's at.
42:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
42:37
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're from Newton County for a long time, we were fortunate enough.
42:43
[SPEAKER_01]: to be able to purchase Dr. Calloway's property, the property they're all full of Mason Drive or Todd Drive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's Mason Drive there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's right behind where the new vet building is going.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Me even be McGorts' bridge road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It could be McGorts' bridge road.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So all back in there somewhere, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It could be McGorts' bridge road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you look where the, where the vet's office is going up and the farmer's insurance, there's a road cut back in there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're building a 10,000 square foot building back there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have 30 acres.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a, we have a pond on the property.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have an old cabin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's one of the oldest structures in the county that's on the property.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're trying to think of ways, you know, how can we use that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Samari said, that's the men's club down there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be for the Wesley Methodist men down there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, uh, so we're very, we're very excited.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we had there the week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We had a service where we went over and signed, you know, wrote scripts around the beams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the first bat just did that.
43:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: wrote a script on the BAMES and a Jeff Wagner and my say if we took some we took a BAMES smaller one out to some people who weren't unable to get to get to the service to make sure they all had their ability to write a script on the on the BAMES to go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The church building itself is literally built with scripture in its walls and prayer and stuff.
44:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, that's fantastic.
44:03
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's kind of and I've seen the plans because I know some of the folks are building it.
44:09
[SPEAKER_02]: But so it's got a kind of a mixture of kind of the traditional feel of a church.
44:15
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you can feel like a church when you walk in it, but it also has some modern type vibe to it too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It does.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It does on the outside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess it'll be a kind of stucco side, I don't know in the walls, but it's going to have some rock.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wood on the portico, you know, the wood beans everybody's wood.
44:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exposed wood everybody's popular with after Chip and Joanna games out there, but it's going to have that with rock piling's there for those.
44:45
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have a staple.
44:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
44:46
[SPEAKER_01]: We're definitely going to have that.
44:47
[SPEAKER_01]: That was the thing we're having a staple.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But inside the church,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a 300 seat sanctuary and there will be a front door, but there'll also be a way to enter from the most people coming to church through the side and in a sanctuary that way after Sunday's go, but there will be a front door.
45:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, there's going to be, uh, we are going to have an altar where we're going to have a race platform pulpit with a with a rail there and a kneeling bench where I'm going to have an altar there.
45:19
[SPEAKER_02]: That's great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, my wife and she says I miss an altar.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hadn't don't have an eye.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She says she misses an altar.
45:27
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what you would serve communion from, right?
45:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if we did that way, we'd serve communion there, where we'd have certain amount of people come up at one time, and how through and serve communion.
45:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I've served it that way before, and it wasn't put a toll on your back.
45:41
[SPEAKER_02]: There's something to know about it to me about coming forward, kneeling down, all of us pretty much are doing it together.
45:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, the ones who don't want to, but I mean, it's a powerful experience to me to come and do that and receive it from someone who's holding some sort of consecrated bread and, you know, wine or juice or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Man, that's great.
45:59
[SPEAKER_02]: How long before you guys are in it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think are you close?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, thank you.
46:05
[SPEAKER_01]: The person had in our building committee, Brad bed is, I don't know if you know Brad.
46:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, Brad, good guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Brad does some construction work and so he's headed that out for us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he said that he felt comfortable saying that the women of West need to look at buy some Christmas reads.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we feel comfortable that we'll be in by Christmas.
46:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, you never can tell us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's what we're shooting for.
46:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, it's great.
46:31
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so excited for you guys and just being I guess 10 gentle to the whole, you know, Wesley Methodist I've just loved watching and hearing stories from your parishioners.
46:41
[SPEAKER_01]: They're excitement and they are they are they are good And the thing that I found out is that I had always gone to church and There were people I, you know, I knew but I didn't know.
46:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got to know a lot of people, you know, some of the
47:01
[SPEAKER_01]: folks, I got asked to a Christmas party for in the Sunday school classes.
47:07
[SPEAKER_01]: And just sitting down and talking to those guys, you know, we've got a guy who was a, he flew planes and helicopters in the army.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, both rotor and fixed wing aircraft, you know, and there were just so many experiences of these people that it's just been, it's been fun getting to know it's been a lot of fun.
47:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, obviously the church is about, you know, the work of the Lord and us coming to worship him, but it is, it's just filled with his people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're just, they're his people.
47:34
[SPEAKER_02]: And that is one of the beautiful, beautiful parts of it is just getting to know the people.
47:38
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think you're right, man.
47:39
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be, if, if you fill those seats up on Sunday morning, you got 300 people in attendance, it's still going to feel like one big family.
47:46
[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
47:47
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's, that's going to be cool.
47:48
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait to see it.
47:51
[SPEAKER_02]: But the church isn't just a building.
47:53
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you are looking for a church right now, you want to check out a conservative Methodist church and globe, Wesley Methodist meeting a peach tree academy at what time?
48:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll Sunday School starts at 945.
48:07
[SPEAKER_01]: And we love Dave.
48:07
[SPEAKER_01]: If you come out and visit Sunday School, and then worship is at 11 o'clock or 11 o'clock for the
48:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you hate tardiness.
48:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I know this about you.
48:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, here's, I got a text.
48:20
[SPEAKER_01]: She's going to kill me.
48:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And I got to tell this story on my wife.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
48:26
[SPEAKER_01]: She operates on TBS times.
48:27
[SPEAKER_01]: She gets there right after the, right at the first team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So she, you know, she's about to let Mo three or five.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love her.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
48:36
[SPEAKER_02]: All the disclaimers, right of course.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: TBS meaning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Superstation 35.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it started 7.05.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 7.35.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
48:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, TPS.
48:47
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought you were going to give me some acronyms.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no.
48:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
48:52
[SPEAKER_02]: If people wanted to find out more information, I know we'll have it in the in the show notes and stuff, but the he gets a website website is Wesley Kevington.org.
49:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Wesley Kevington.org.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Facebook is Wesley Methodist Church of Kevington.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
49:09
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't, is it a TikTok or a Instagram, maybe?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, uh,
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[SPEAKER_01]: at Wesley Covington.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe I can let me Twitter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, we'll get it in show notes.
49:22
[SPEAKER_02]: But if anybody's looking for it, they can look it up and find it.
49:25
[SPEAKER_02]: But Wesley Methodist, it's just I don't want people get confused because Wesley and there's a miss like a different branch.
49:30
[SPEAKER_01]: But Wesley, yeah, Wesley and there's a different branch.
49:33
[SPEAKER_01]: No, there's a Wesley Methodist of Lagrange.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we don't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't start all not journey on Sunday morning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You'll be late.
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[SPEAKER_02]: More than TBS late.
49:43
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, man.
49:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you think else you want to share with the community?
49:46
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like, if you had one wish for like 10 years from now for Wesley and Methodist, what do you hope to see?
49:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope to see a church that is, I hope to see a church that is growing.
49:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you look at a lot of denominations in the country.
50:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're not many that are growing.
50:03
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, I think that ELCA, the England Church, is one of a small that is growing.
50:09
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'd like to see a church.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's growing that is still serving the needs of the community and working to further God's kingdom.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
50:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think that's well said.
50:20
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll leave it right there.
50:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, thanks for being on the show today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I look forward to seeing all the great stuff that Wesley Methods are going to do.
50:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I do too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: See you.