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The Kenny Report | 22 April · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the Skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks Ross.
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  Speaker 3: That budget special is going to be a ripper tonight
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  Speaker 3: on the Kenny Report, the one hundred billion dollar runaway
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  Speaker 3: shambles of the NDS. Labor created the mess, refused to
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  Speaker 3: back coalition reforms, but now they're promising.
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  Speaker 1: To fix it.
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  Speaker 3: We'll hear from the opposition and child psychologist Claire Row
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  Speaker 3: the energy crisis and Anthony Albanese's pathetic shopping sprees, why
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  Speaker 3: it's not really helping, and why the Green Left's plans
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  Speaker 3: for cheaper gas.
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  Speaker 1: Are all hot air. Matt Canavan will join me.
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  Speaker 3: Alexander Downer on the Iran War as President Trump extends
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  Speaker 3: the ceasefire, and Esther Kraku in London as Kirstarma clings
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  Speaker 3: to the Prime Ministership. All that, plus the Wednesday wrangle
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  Speaker 3: with Denika and Justin, let's get cracking. The first thing
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  Speaker 3: to say about the controversial National Disability Insurance Scheme is
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  Speaker 3: that we all want to make sure that we provide
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  Speaker 3: adequate care and assistance for people with disabilities. We rightly
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  Speaker 3: pride ourselves as a nation on having some of the
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  Speaker 3: best disability care in the world and wanting to make
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  Speaker 3: it even better. The second thing to say about the
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  Speaker 3: NDIS is that it's not really an insurance scheme. It
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  Speaker 3: operates more like a massive federal welfare scheme, and because
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  Speaker 3: of that, it's wasteful, and it's rotted, and it's growing
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  Speaker 3: like topsy. It's poorly run so that it's too easy
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  Speaker 3: for people to qualify and too easy for providers to
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  Speaker 3: overcharge or defraud the system. So the cost of the
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  Speaker 3: scheme is out of control. The NDIS has grown way
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  Speaker 3: faster than planned, both in numbers of participants and the
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  Speaker 3: average cost of each plan, so that it's already costing
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  Speaker 3: more than fifty billion dollars a year, and that's tracking
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  Speaker 3: to double to one hundred billion day dollars within a decade,
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  Speaker 3: outstripping the cost of even the aged pension. Against this
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  Speaker 3: backdrop and its own budget woes and record debt, the
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  Speaker 3: Albanezi labor government is finally trying to bring it under control.
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  Speaker 4: The NDIS was originally intended and expected to support around
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  Speaker 4: four hundred and ten thousand people with a disability. Today
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  Speaker 4: there's more than seven hundred and sixty thousand people on
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  Speaker 4: the scheme. While new eligibility rules obviously need to be
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  Speaker 4: worked through carefully. Our initial modeling will see the number
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  Speaker 4: of people on the scheme reduced to around six hundred
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  Speaker 4: thousand by the end of the decade instead of growing
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  Speaker 4: to well over nine hundred thousand.
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  Speaker 1: This is a tough decision.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see how they go implementing it, because taking funding
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  Speaker 3: away from people is tough for governments, especially labor. And
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  Speaker 3: they're setting themselves to get one hundred and sixty thousand
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  Speaker 3: people off.
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  Speaker 1: The scheme in four years.
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  Speaker 3: I mean imagine they're screaming if a coalition government was
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  Speaker 3: trying to do the same thing and to cut numbers,
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  Speaker 3: they'll have to stop tens of thousands of parents getting
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  Speaker 3: access for their children for conditions such as autism.
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  Speaker 4: In line with the scheme's original intent, access will be
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  Speaker 4: based upon a significant reduction in a person's functional capacity
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  Speaker 4: that impacts their day to day living.
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  Speaker 3: Just why none of this was done from the start
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  Speaker 3: is disturbing.
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  Speaker 1: Just why it hasn't been.
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  Speaker 3: Fixed earlier is tragic, and the fact labor blocked coalition
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  Speaker 3: attempts to fix it in the past is just disgraceful.
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  Speaker 3: And in outlining his plans to rein in participation and
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  Speaker 3: spending the Minister made astonishing admissions about the lack of
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  Speaker 3: accountability for taxpayers funds and the poor oversight of the
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  Speaker 3: NDIS spending by the Disability Insurance Authority.
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  Speaker 4: Currently, the NDIA agency has no visibility of evidence for
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  Speaker 4: ninety percent of claims that are made by plan managers
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  Speaker 4: or by providers directly. It's around six hundred thousand claims
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  Speaker 4: every day without any supporting evidence, and the standard of
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  Speaker 4: invoices that are submitted can vary wildly. Worse still, though,
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  Speaker 4: this lack of integrity in the system has opened the
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  Speaker 4: door to the worst parts of organized crime.
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  Speaker 3: Great, isn't it tens of billions of dollars of our
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  Speaker 3: taxpayers money spent on a poorly controlled scheme open to
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  Speaker 3: routing by organized crime.
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  Speaker 1: This needs urgent attention. It's intolerable.
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  Speaker 3: This is money for people with disabilities. This has hard
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  Speaker 3: earned taxpayers money. It's time labour stopped looking for ways
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  Speaker 3: to increase taxes and started being a whole lot more
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  Speaker 3: diligent about how they spend the money.
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  Speaker 1: We already give them when.
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  Speaker 3: It comes to powering this nation, when it comes to energy,
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  Speaker 3: the alb and easy labor government is a massive drain
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  Speaker 3: on all of us. I mean, this mob is ideologically
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  Speaker 3: opposed to fossil fuels. They're wreaking havoc on our economy
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  Speaker 3: and they're destroying our future because of their antipathy towards
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  Speaker 3: fossil fuels.
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  Speaker 1: Yet now we have a liquid.
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  Speaker 3: Fuel crisis, they put out mindless social media posts like this,
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  Speaker 3: Just to be clear, this.
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  Speaker 1: Diesel is enough for just three days.
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  Speaker 3: One hundred million liters a day is about what we
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  Speaker 3: use every day. So it's about what would be importing
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  Speaker 3: normally through the market rules of demand and supply. And
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  Speaker 3: we've never needed a government to organize this in the past.
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  Speaker 1: But look at them go.
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  Speaker 3: Strutting around on social media, like the boys from Reservoir Dogs. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I wonder which one is, mister pink Albou or Chris
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  Speaker 3: Bowen and where's their reservoir. We're supposed to have ninety
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  Speaker 3: days of fuel supply in storage, but this mob left
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  Speaker 3: us about sixty days shy of that, a backup supply
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  Speaker 3: only a third of what's required. Yet today they claim
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  Speaker 3: credit for getting extra even while the normal supplies are
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  Speaker 3: being pumped ashore.
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  Speaker 5: You can see behind us one of the regular arrivals,
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  Speaker 5: there are sixty one ships on the water at the
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  Speaker 5: moment on their way to Australia. But these additional shiplads
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  Speaker 5: will help to secure that supply further into the future.
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  Speaker 3: It's anyone's guess whether the government is helping here or not.
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  Speaker 3: And even if it is, the extra fuel won't arrive
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  Speaker 3: till late next month or early June.
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  Speaker 1: By then we hope the IRN war will be over.
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  Speaker 2: Still.
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  Speaker 3: The PM fairly bristles at the mention that his dockside
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  Speaker 3: announcement might be less about diesel supplies than political theater.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know what you think, but do you think
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  Speaker 5: we should have secured an additional two hundred million leaders
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  Speaker 5: that we're announcing today. Do you think we should have
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  Speaker 5: delivered an additional three hundred million leaders over the last
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  Speaker 5: seven days to export finance Australia and working with the
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  Speaker 5: private sector.
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  Speaker 1: Again, that's three days supply and there we go.
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  Speaker 3: The socialist left Prime Minister is throwing more money at
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  Speaker 3: the private sector to make sure it brings in extra
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  Speaker 3: fossil fuel. Practicality overrides ideology for a change, and this
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  Speaker 3: comes on Earth Day. Remember that the former socialist Prime
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  Speaker 3: Minister of Portugal now the Secretary General of the United
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  Speaker 3: Nations certainly didn't forget Earth Day.
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  Speaker 6: On Earth Day, we are reminded of the fragility of
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  Speaker 6: our natural world. Every indicator is flashing grawth, climate kaos,
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  Speaker 6: collapsing bio diversity, a one point five degree limit, slipping
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  Speaker 6: out of rich.
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  Speaker 3: Looks like a beautiful day there out in front of
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  Speaker 3: the blossoms. Perhaps not the time or place to talk
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  Speaker 3: about a climate armageddon and arbitrary guesses about temperature limits.
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  Speaker 3: But this bloke has more than a scare campaign.
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  Speaker 1: He reckons. He's got a solution too.
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  Speaker 6: We know what must be done, and though an addiction
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  Speaker 6: to fossil fools, accelerate the renewals revolution, the renewables revolution.
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  Speaker 3: Getaries could write scripts for Chris Bowen, couldn't he Green Hydrogen,
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  Speaker 3: the green hydrogen revolution, renewable energy superpower, the renewables Revolution.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if there's cases so strong for this stuff,
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  Speaker 3: why not just stick to the.
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  Speaker 1: Facts and ditch these silly slogans.
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  Speaker 3: Now you'd think sensible people would dismiss this sort of evangelism.
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  Speaker 3: But the trouble is that Bowen and Albanesey don't. This
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  Speaker 3: is the un evangelism that drives their energy vandalism and
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  Speaker 3: will all pay the price. Labor takes its writing instructions
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  Speaker 3: on climate and energy not from our needs but from
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  Speaker 3: U N goals, and they get plenty of support from
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  Speaker 3: the Green left, the Greens in Parliament and the Teals
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  Speaker 3: and hard left think tanks like the Australia Institute, which
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  Speaker 3: sounds like being which is usually campaigning for higher taxes.
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  Speaker 3: It's pretty much always campaigning for higher taxes, no matter
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  Speaker 3: how absurd the arguments are.
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  Speaker 7: Once we put an export tax on those exporters in
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  Speaker 7: order to avoid the export tax are going to compete
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  Speaker 7: with each other to sell it to Australians. And you know,
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  Speaker 7: my prediction is that the price of gas would fall
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  Speaker 7: by twenty four point ninety nine percent the wholesale price
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  Speaker 7: because all of the gas companies will be competing to
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  Speaker 7: sell a molecule to anyone they can that's tax free,
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  Speaker 7: and they're better off selling it at a twenty four
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  Speaker 7: point ninety nine percent discount to Australians than selling it
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  Speaker 7: to someone in Japan and paying a twenty five percent tax.
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  Speaker 7: So we will see a significant increase in supply of
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  Speaker 7: gas and we will see a significant reduction in the
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  Speaker 7: price of gas and the Commonwealth will collect a significant
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  Speaker 7: amount of revenue. Economics never got better for Parliament than
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  Speaker 7: an export tax.
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  Speaker 1: Really does that sound plausible?
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  Speaker 3: If we tax our gas exports from the Northwest Shulf,
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  Speaker 3: how will that give us cheaper gas in Sydney, Melbourne,
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  Speaker 3: Adelaide and Brisbane. How is the gas going to get
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  Speaker 3: to the East Coast? It'll have to be shipped as
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  Speaker 3: liquefied natural gas LNG. Who'll pay to ship it to
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  Speaker 3: the East Coast? And he'll pay to build the gas
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  Speaker 3: import terminals? Why would the gas producers sell it at
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  Speaker 3: a loss? What would happen if we gave up our
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  Speaker 3: export markets. We export four times more gas than we
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  Speaker 3: use ourselves, so how would we use all the gas
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  Speaker 3: that's normally exported. Wouldn't we be better off exporting our
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  Speaker 3: gas and creating wealth and jobs and generating tax dollars
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  Speaker 3: as we do now? Then we could develop more of
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  Speaker 3: the plentiful gas on the East Coast that could continue
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  Speaker 3: to supply us with cheap gas for centuries to come
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  Speaker 3: if governments would actually back it in. Energy is the
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  Speaker 3: lifeblood of our economy. It's the source of our prosperity,
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  Speaker 3: our job, our industry, our transport, our health, our education,
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  Speaker 3: and our whole civilization. We need energy that is proven,
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  Speaker 3: reliable and affordable. All the other ideological nonsense is just politics.
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  Speaker 3: It's posturing and it's damaging and it needs to be
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  Speaker 3: brushed aside unless we want to undo all that we've
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  Speaker 3: built in this country and leave a dire future for
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  Speaker 3: our children. Let's go to Aubury in New South Wales
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  Speaker 3: and catch up with Matt Canavan, the National's leader. Good
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  Speaker 3: to catch up with you, Matt, no doubt you're campaigning
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  Speaker 3: in the Pharaoh by election. But I've got to get
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  Speaker 3: to this nonsense about gas taxes that seems to be
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  Speaker 3: getting a lot of traction in the media and in politics.
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  Speaker 1: We already get taxes from.
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  Speaker 3: Our gas exports, don't we, And there's no way the
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  Speaker 3: gas that's exported largely from the Northwest Shelf can actually
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  Speaker 3: ply us in the East Coast of Australia.
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  Speaker 8: Well, Chris, you just gave a great outline there of
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  Speaker 8: the issues. I think some of the people pushing this
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  Speaker 8: tax don't understand the complexities. But before I get to that,
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  Speaker 8: I think we should be very clear that this tax,
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  Speaker 8: this proposed twenty five percent tax on gas exports is
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  Speaker 8: not a tax.
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  Speaker 2: To raise money.
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  Speaker 8: It is a tax designed to shut down the Australian
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  Speaker 8: gas industry. The people pushing this tax want no fossil fuels,
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  Speaker 8: they want no coal, they want no gas, they want
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  Speaker 8: no oil. We can all see how that's playing out
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  Speaker 8: for our country today. So of course they would design
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  Speaker 8: a tax that would shut down Australian industry. And there
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  Speaker 8: is not a business in this country that could withstand
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  Speaker 8: a twenty five percent cut on their revenue. It's not
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  Speaker 8: their profit. They're not taking twenty five percent of their profit.
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  Speaker 8: They're saying, this is how much you make in a year,
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  Speaker 8: We're going to take twenty five percent of it. Anybody
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  Speaker 8: in business knows that your margins are normally much much
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  Speaker 8: less than that. The gas industry's margins are much much
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  Speaker 8: less than that. In this country, they don't have the
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  Speaker 8: very low costs like Saudi Arabia called the North. See,
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  Speaker 8: we're one of the higher cost countries when it comes
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  Speaker 8: to gas production. So if we impose this tax, you
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  Speaker 8: can say bye bye to tens of thousands of Australian jobs,
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  Speaker 8: over twenty billion.
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  Speaker 2: Dollars of tax revenue.
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  Speaker 8: The gas industry pays over twenty billion dollars a year
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  Speaker 8: in gas revenue. You don't hear that figure much. And
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  Speaker 8: as you've gotten to just there a complete disruption to
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  Speaker 8: the gas networks in this country. This is a very
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  Speaker 8: big country. It's not clear when the proponents mention this
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  Speaker 8: tax whether they'd cover Queensland. The Queensland LNG industry is
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  Speaker 8: currently not subject to the Commonwealth Petroleum Resource Rent tax.
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  Speaker 8: That is because it is on shore, it's on sure
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  Speaker 8: gas production. It is the ownership of the state. It's
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  Speaker 8: not the Commonwealth, it's not owned by all Australians. It's
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  Speaker 8: owned by the people of Queensland under our legal framework.
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  Speaker 8: And the queens And government already imposes a royalty on
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  Speaker 8: that's production that collects over a billion dollars a year.
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  Speaker 2: So if this is a tax on a tax, what.
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  Speaker 8: Happens then to the Queensland industry And as you say,
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  Speaker 8: it is a tax just on the Northwest Shelf, that's
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  Speaker 8: not going to help. We don't even have the regasification
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  Speaker 8: facilities you've mentioned. Bringing LNG around to Eastern Australia is
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  Speaker 8: a boat to nowhere. There's nowhere to unload it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just absurd, But they're getting a lot of
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  Speaker 1: traction on this.
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  Speaker 3: And as you say, the Australia Institute, Richard Genesee sort
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  Speaker 3: of people are completely opposed to the fossil fuel industry.
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  Speaker 3: They're pretending they're friends of gas. What they want to do,
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  Speaker 3: of course, is shut it down. There's so much gas
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  Speaker 3: on the East Coast that we could be using here for.
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  Speaker 1: Cheaper domestic consumption anyway.
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  Speaker 3: But let me get to the wider energy crisis, the
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  Speaker 3: liquid fuels crisis we're going through, and thankfully most supplies
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  Speaker 3: have been kept up in Australia so far. How much
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  Speaker 3: credit do you give Anthony Albanesi and Chris Bowen for
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  Speaker 3: whipping up an extra three hundred million liters of diesel
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  Speaker 3: that's going to arrive apparently late May early June.
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  Speaker 8: Well, it's about three days supply, so you know, Look,
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  Speaker 8: it's great to have some and not nothing, but I'm
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  Speaker 8: not exactly going to pop the champagne corks for people
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  Speaker 8: with a blank checkbook. What Chris Bowen and Anthony Albanezi
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  Speaker 8: are doing now is giving blank checks to a variety
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  Speaker 8: of nations to buy.
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  Speaker 2: Our oil at whatever price they can.
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  Speaker 8: They passed emergency legislation through the Parliament to do that
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  Speaker 8: very thing, because politically they can't allow fossil fuels to
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  Speaker 8: run out.
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  Speaker 2: Having run a war on fossil fuels, the.
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  Speaker 8: Labor Party is now paying whatever it takes to buy
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  Speaker 8: fossil fuels. The unfortunate thing for us, though, is that
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  Speaker 8: money that's being spent is all being spent to support
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  Speaker 8: oil jobs, oil industries in other countries.
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  Speaker 2: In foreign countries, the.
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  Speaker 8: Labor parties going to other countries, paying overs for this
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  Speaker 8: resource and effectively subsidizing the production of oil or refining
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  Speaker 8: of oil in Singapore and Carea and bur Brune Eye
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  Speaker 8: wherever it may be. Yet they refuse Chris. This is
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  Speaker 8: what I find very perplexing. They're happy to subsidize the
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  Speaker 8: fossil fuels when it's somewhere not Australia, but when there's
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  Speaker 8: an oil resource in Queensland that the Queensland Premier wants
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  Speaker 8: to develop, the Albanezi government closes the checkbook. No, no,
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  Speaker 8: we're not going to support that at all. Indeed, the
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  Speaker 8: Kreween's and Premier can't even meet. He's not even getting
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  Speaker 8: a meeting with Anthony Albanezi. Why is Anthony but Albanzi
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  Speaker 8: spending so time, so much time with world leaders developing
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  Speaker 8: foreign oil industries, and no time with Queen's owned leaders,
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  Speaker 8: with Australian leaders like David Chris a fully who want
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  Speaker 8: to develop Australian Yeah, he produce Australian jobs.
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  Speaker 1: Very good question.
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  Speaker 3: All of our energy policies seem to do a lot
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  Speaker 3: of good for foreign countries, especially China, but not much
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  Speaker 3: good for Australia.
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  Speaker 1: But let's have a.
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  Speaker 3: Listen to what the Prime Minister says about the Coalition's
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  Speaker 3: attitude to all this.
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  Speaker 5: This is a volatile, turbulent period in the world. We
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  Speaker 5: have been very upfront about that. We're not trying to
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  Speaker 5: pretend that that isn't the case. What we are doing, though,
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  Speaker 5: isn't sitting on the sidelines hoping for the worst, which
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  Speaker 5: is what the Coalition and the right wing parties in
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  Speaker 5: Australia tend to do.
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  Speaker 3: How do you plead, Matt Canavan, are you hoping for
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  Speaker 3: the worst?
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  Speaker 2: To prepare for the worst?
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  Speaker 8: That's the sensible thing to do is to hope for
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  Speaker 8: the best, but prepare for the worst. And the problem
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  Speaker 8: is this goverment hasn't been preparing for that. They've spent
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  Speaker 8: their first three to three years in government removing all
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  Speaker 8: support from the development of new oil and gas basins.
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  Speaker 8: They unleash the Environmental Defender's Office on the development of
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  Speaker 8: an oil and gas basin off the Northern Territory. They
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  Speaker 8: funded these radical greenies who helped hold up the Barissa
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  Speaker 8: project for years.
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  Speaker 2: They placed a carbon tax.
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  Speaker 8: Believe it or not, Chris, there is a carbon tax
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  Speaker 8: thanks to labor on our last two refineries. They have
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  Speaker 8: to pay roughly a million dollars a year right now
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  Speaker 8: to grow to ten million dollars a year over the
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  Speaker 8: next decade. So that is what's holding our country back.
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  Speaker 8: What we clearly need now is not just a short term,
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  Speaker 8: blank checkbook plan. We also need a medium to long
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  Speaker 8: term plan about how we can become self sufficient again
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  Speaker 8: and not be vulnerable and dependent on other countries. Their
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  Speaker 8: promise that has no plan for that apart from apart
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  Speaker 8: from electric cars, that's about it, and that can only
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  Speaker 8: do twenty five percent of our all demand to start with.
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  Speaker 8: Not everyone's going to want to drive an electric car
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  Speaker 8: or can, especially out here in regional Australia. The governments
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  Speaker 8: largely dropped their hydrogen talk. But remember in their first
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  Speaker 8: three years. Chris, they bet the farm on hydrogen making
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  Speaker 8: the grade. They gave millions and millions of dollars to
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  Speaker 8: Twiggy Forest, and we're still dealing with the legacy of
• 19:18
  Speaker 8: that because everyone's walked away from hydrogen.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: It was all a bunch of hot air. It's time
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: for Chris Bowen.
• 19:23
  Speaker 8: In particular, but he's Prime Minister as well, to come
• 19:25
  Speaker 8: back to the land of living, come back to Planet
• 19:27
  Speaker 8: Earth and start using our resources again. We have oil here,
• 19:30
  Speaker 8: Let's try and discover it. Let's support the efforts of
• 19:32
  Speaker 8: Dave of chriso fully. Let's get drilling in the great
• 19:34
  Speaker 8: Australian bite again. Let's make sure our country is never
• 19:37
  Speaker 8: never in the position again where our Prime minister has
• 19:40
  Speaker 8: to go begging for basic essentials in our region from
• 19:43
  Speaker 8: smaller countries and our own.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Matt Canavan, the US Energy Secretary, Donald Trump's Energy secretary,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: has mentioned Australia.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Presumably you'll agree with his critique. Have a look.
• 19:56
  Speaker 9: Australia has you know, they just rely on China in
• 20:00
  Speaker 9: Southeast Asia to deliver them all their energy resources. But
• 20:03
  Speaker 9: yet Australia is an energy rich country. The world's abundantly
• 20:07
  Speaker 9: full of energy. Let's get rid of the climate called
• 20:10
  Speaker 9: better energize our world. That's a way for more prosperity,
• 20:14
  Speaker 9: that's a way for more peace.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Now he's right when it comes to liquid fuels, isn't he?
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 20:21
  Speaker 8: So look, I mean maybe Chris is spent too much
• 20:23
  Speaker 8: time listening to current government officials who never mentioned a
• 20:26
  Speaker 8: sea word. But we still get a good sixty percent
• 20:29
  Speaker 8: of electricity from coal exactly domestically cold. Yes, we're liquid
• 20:33
  Speaker 8: fuels on the liquid fuels front where very dependent obviously,
• 20:36
  Speaker 8: as we can see now in foreign countries. And it's
• 20:38
  Speaker 8: interesting to use the US here. I noticed these tax
• 20:40
  Speaker 8: experts we mentioned the Star. I'd always like to reference Norway,
• 20:44
  Speaker 8: who has a government owned oil program and also also
• 20:48
  Speaker 8: has a massive liquid fuel resource which we just don't
• 20:52
  Speaker 8: have right now.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: The North Sea is amazingly productive.
• 20:54
  Speaker 8: The US is actually the place we should look to
• 20:56
  Speaker 8: because the US doesn't have large taxes. In fact, it
• 20:59
  Speaker 8: doesn't have royalty. The Atlanta on his own a gastle
• 21:01
  Speaker 8: in the oil. The US hasn't got reservation policies. They've
• 21:04
  Speaker 8: just unleashed production. They've just got rid of red tape,
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: got rid of regulations and They've turned their country from
• 21:11
  Speaker 8: being the largest nets oil importer in the world to
• 21:14
  Speaker 8: the largest oil producer in the world.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: And that happened under Joe Biden. It's not just Donald
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Trump and they're.
• 21:20
  Speaker 8: In twenty twenty four, the US produced more oil than
• 21:22
  Speaker 8: any country in any year ever.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Incredible.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Matt, I appreciate it. Matt Canavan
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: there on the campaign trail in Aubury. That Farah by
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: election early a week or so away. Let's go to
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: global affairs now. Donald Trump has extended the ceasefire between
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: the US and Iran, while the Vice President Jad Evans
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: has canceled his trip to pak us down after plans
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: for a second round of peace talks fell through.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Here's the latest from Fox News.
• 21:48
  Speaker 10: President Trump extending the ceasfire with Iran just hours before
• 21:52
  Speaker 10: it was set to expire. The President says the military
• 21:55
  Speaker 10: blockade and the Gulf of Oman will continue.
• 21:58
  Speaker 11: Jump to run the block aide, and we'll compel them play.
• 22:00
  Speaker 10: The decision comes just a day after the President told
• 22:03
  Speaker 10: Bloomberg it was quote highly unlikely he would extend the ceasefire. Instead,
• 22:08
  Speaker 10: he hopes both sides can reach an agreement.
• 22:11
  Speaker 12: I want to make a good deal. I'm not going
• 22:13
  Speaker 12: to be rushed. I have all the time in the world.
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: I want to make it.
• 22:16
  Speaker 12: Not a good deal, I want to make a great deal.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Let's got to Adelaid and catch up with Australia's longest
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: serving foreign minister, Alexander Downer.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Alexander, good to talk to you again. It's very hard
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: to keep up with this.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: It's a one sided argument, though, isn't it. We really
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: have no idea what the Iranians are saying or doing.
• 22:35
  Speaker 13: Well.
• 22:35
  Speaker 14: The sense I get is the Iranians are actually very
• 22:39
  Speaker 14: divided between on the one hand, the IGC, the hardcore
• 22:45
  Speaker 14: Islamic paramilitaries who effectively run the country, and the political class,
• 22:52
  Speaker 14: people like the Foreign minister and the president and so on.
• 22:56
  Speaker 14: Those people, the political class are very responsive to public pressure,
• 23:02
  Speaker 14: and the public, of course, are really suffering from the
• 23:05
  Speaker 14: collapse of the economy. Iran has over fifty percent inflation rate.
• 23:11
  Speaker 14: It's GDP is expected to decline by something like six
• 23:16
  Speaker 14: percent this year. The economy is to be frank is
• 23:21
  Speaker 14: really collapsing. So the political leadership is very worried about that.
• 23:26
  Speaker 14: But the Irgc have equities, particularly in the oil trade.
• 23:32
  Speaker 14: They have personal equities in it, and so they are
• 23:37
  Speaker 14: resisting any negotiation. But for as long as the Americans
• 23:41
  Speaker 14: blockade their ports, then they won't be able to make
• 23:46
  Speaker 14: any money and they ultimately will come to the negotiating table.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Donald Trump is keeping up the pressure. Here's the
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: latest we've heard from him.
• 23:56
  Speaker 12: What I think is that we're going to end up
• 23:58
  Speaker 12: with a great deal. I think it's I think they
• 24:00
  Speaker 12: have no choice. We've taken out their navy, we've taken
• 24:03
  Speaker 12: out their air force, We've taken out there leaders frankly,
• 24:06
  Speaker 12: which does complicate things. Well, I expect to be bombing
• 24:09
  Speaker 12: because I think that's a better attitude to go in with.
• 24:12
  Speaker 12: But we're ready to go, I mean, the military is
• 24:15
  Speaker 12: rare in.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: To go, Alexander.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: When Donald Trump talks about a great deal, he seems
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: increasingly focused on the one objective again, and that is
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: an elimination of the nuclear weapons program. If he gets
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: some sort of a commitment, a verifiable commitment there, that
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: would be the setupiece of any deal.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Presumably it would.
• 24:35
  Speaker 14: Of course, the objective has been to destroy Irun's military
• 24:40
  Speaker 14: capability capability to wage war, either directly itself or through
• 24:45
  Speaker 14: its proxies in the Middle East, which it's been doing
• 24:48
  Speaker 14: since nineteen seventy nine. And if you want these wars
• 24:52
  Speaker 14: to come to an end, and a decent person would
• 24:55
  Speaker 14: want them to come to an end, you have to
• 24:58
  Speaker 14: destroy your run's capacity to wage those wars. So I
• 25:03
  Speaker 14: think the Americans and the Israelis have pretty much achieved
• 25:06
  Speaker 14: that objective, and obviously they set back the nuclear program hugely,
• 25:12
  Speaker 14: but they'll want Iran to get rid of it's enriched
• 25:16
  Speaker 14: uranium and it still has quite a lot of that
• 25:22
  Speaker 14: and so that hasn't been destroyed, so that will take
• 25:25
  Speaker 14: a bit of negotiation. There's no doubt about that. I mean,
• 25:29
  Speaker 14: I suppose ultimately what your viewers are thinking is when
• 25:33
  Speaker 14: will the regime change. My view is that the weight
• 25:37
  Speaker 14: of economic failure will weigh down and eventually destroy the regime.
• 25:43
  Speaker 14: But to be frank, that will take time.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we heard from Benjamin et Yahu yesterday and he's focused,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: of course on the defense of Israel, but he's also
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: been very keen to highlight he's always very keen to
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: highlight the Islamist extremism behind the Iranian regime.
• 26:01
  Speaker 15: Have a look, we have not finished the task, but
• 26:04
  Speaker 15: the world already recognizes our de termination to defend ourselves,
• 26:09
  Speaker 15: not only to defend ourselves, but to defend humanity from
• 26:13
  Speaker 15: barbaric fanaticism. Small Israel and our great friend the United
• 26:17
  Speaker 15: States carry the entire Western civilization on their shoulders.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is such an important point, which I think
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: is so undervalued across the Western media.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: They scoff at it. Really, but we all.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Hate terrorism of any kind. We've all seen the suffering
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: from Islamu's terrorism and the fact that if Iran is
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: prevented from spreading it across the Middle East and the
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: rest of the globe at the end of this that
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: is a fantastic outcome for all.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Look.
• 26:47
  Speaker 14: I understand the progressive left who have lost elections in
• 26:51
  Speaker 14: Israel and the United States in recent years, hate Trump
• 26:56
  Speaker 14: and hate Nasan Yahoo, and they hate Them's face it,
• 27:00
  Speaker 14: they hate them more than they hate the Iranian regime.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: But set that aside.
• 27:06
  Speaker 14: Let's think this through a little bit more carefully. Iran
• 27:11
  Speaker 14: has been fermenting violence and war in the Middle East
• 27:15
  Speaker 14: since nineteen seventy nine, and it's been doing the same
• 27:19
  Speaker 14: thing outside of the Middle East as well. I mean, remember,
• 27:23
  Speaker 14: we expelled the Australian government, expelled the Iranian Ambassador from
• 27:28
  Speaker 14: Australia Ironi last year. Yeah, yeah, well, hiring people to
• 27:34
  Speaker 14: fire fire Bob and synagogue and stir up anti Semitism
• 27:39
  Speaker 14: in Australia. This is a grotesque regime and it has
• 27:43
  Speaker 14: to be dealt with Newted, at worst Newted and at
• 27:49
  Speaker 14: best overthrown, and to overthrow it. But the progressive left,
• 27:55
  Speaker 14: who hate Trump and NeSSI Yahu and control so so
• 28:00
  Speaker 14: many of the media outlets, not perhaps this one, but
• 28:03
  Speaker 14: so many media outlets, give you the impression that Nathan
• 28:08
  Speaker 14: Yahoo and Trump are a sort of madman loose with
• 28:13
  Speaker 14: heavy weapons.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: It is madness, and you're right, the progressive left haven't
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: got Sky News just yet.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: We'll see.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Alexander down to there live from Adelaide.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: We'll take a break.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: On the other side, we're going to get it back
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: into this NDIES. Labour's created a mess. Here can they
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: fix it up? Shadow Minister Melissa McIntosh will join me next.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Let's get back to the NDIES and Labour's plans to
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: finally bring the scheme under control. Apart from getting tougher
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: on eligibility and trying to stop the roots, the Albanezy
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: government is promising to reduce the average cost of each
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: individual assistance package.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Here's Health Minister Mark Butler.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: The average spand on this activity today is about thirty
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: one thousand dollars per participant, up from just fourteen thousand
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: dollars five years ago. Over the next two years, our
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: changes will bring that figure down to about twenty six
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: thousand dollars per participant, back to where it was in
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty three.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Can we trust Labor to wind back costs? They hardly
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: have the form. Let's go to the shadow. Indiis Minister
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Melissa Macintosh. Thanks for joining us.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: Melissa, Labour's promised a lot. Here have they promised enough?
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Are their intentions tough enough?
• 29:38
  Speaker 16: I think Minister Butler. Mark Butler has said a lot,
• 29:43
  Speaker 16: but there is no detail behind what he has said,
• 29:46
  Speaker 16: and that is the concern. But in the process of
• 29:49
  Speaker 16: saying these things, he's managed to really upset a couple
• 29:55
  Speaker 16: of one hundred thousand people in Australia and their families.
• 29:59
  Speaker 16: So instead of targeting.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: The roughts, the criminal.
• 30:03
  Speaker 16: Activity and putting some detail behind that, fixing the scheme itself,
• 30:08
  Speaker 16: pulling it apart and basically starting again, he's told people
• 30:12
  Speaker 16: on the scheme, including our most severely disabled people that
• 30:17
  Speaker 16: they're going to have to get another assessment to prove
• 30:21
  Speaker 16: that they belong on the scheme. So my phone has
• 30:24
  Speaker 16: not stopped ringing in my office all afternoon since this announcement.
• 30:29
  Speaker 16: This is what we didn't want. The floating of ideas
• 30:33
  Speaker 16: by the government these last couple of weeks has caused
• 30:36
  Speaker 16: quite a lot of stress. We've got to remember that
• 30:39
  Speaker 16: people on the scheme do have disability where you can
• 30:43
  Speaker 16: question whether everyone should be on it or not, and
• 30:46
  Speaker 16: when they're talked about in this way, it causes a
• 30:49
  Speaker 16: lot of alarm. So I think the government's going about
• 30:52
  Speaker 16: it the wrong way. And they've promised this reduction in growth,
• 30:57
  Speaker 16: but they've promised this before. They said that they would
• 31:01
  Speaker 16: reduce growth by I'll have an eight percent growth target,
• 31:06
  Speaker 16: and then they said it, I'll have a five percent
• 31:08
  Speaker 16: growth target. Now it's two percent. So I don't I
• 31:11
  Speaker 16: don't know what the detailer.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Is, but let me jump in there.
• 31:15
  Speaker 16: But we're surely very skeptical.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let me jump in there, Melissa, because because according
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: to Butler's numbers, he's going to get one hundred and
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: sixty thousand people off the ndis over the next few
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: years now, as you've referred to, that means that just
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: about everyone of it on it at the moment will
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: be worried about their ongoing eligibility.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: But do you believe him? Do you believe we don't
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: know how he's going to do this? Do you actually
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: think that labor will get.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: One hundred and sixty thousand people off the scheme?
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: But that's the thing.
• 31:45
  Speaker 16: There's a whole lot of scam mongering and then nothing
• 31:48
  Speaker 16: may come of it. So is that really worth doing
• 31:50
  Speaker 16: that to people? I think the one hundred and sixty
• 31:52
  Speaker 16: thousand could be more. This is the Minister for the NDS,
• 31:56
  Speaker 16: Jenny McAllister, couldn't even confirm that it's a real figure today.
• 31:59
  Speaker 16: But where are the people going to go? Is this
• 32:01
  Speaker 16: just a cost shifting exercise to get the money out
• 32:05
  Speaker 16: of the NDIS budget to make the government look better
• 32:10
  Speaker 16: like they're doing something about it. So this will require
• 32:13
  Speaker 16: the states signing up to take some of those participants,
• 32:19
  Speaker 16: take some of those.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Services back on.
• 32:21
  Speaker 16: And we know that originally when it comes to psychosocial
• 32:24
  Speaker 16: services like schizophrenia and BiPOL, the States had that originally
• 32:28
  Speaker 16: and went to the NDIS and now they want to
• 32:30
  Speaker 16: put it back to the States, and in the meantime,
• 32:32
  Speaker 16: people with those mental health issues are falling through the
• 32:36
  Speaker 16: cracks and ending up in our hospital system. So I
• 32:39
  Speaker 16: don't know how Minister Butler thinks he's going to achieve
• 32:43
  Speaker 16: this when the States are already saying they don't want
• 32:45
  Speaker 16: a bar of it.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, fascinating stuff.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: I think you might be right on the money there,
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Melissa Macintosh, thanks so much for joining us. Shadow indis
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Minister Melissa Macintosh there. She's talking about how this speech
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: shoet and what Mark Butler's announced. They'll use that in
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: the budget to show that they're going to reduce their
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: spending in the next four years.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: But whether they actually do it, well, what do you reckon?
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Let's go to a break.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: On the other side, we're going to catch up with
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Esthercrak who in London to talk about Kis Starmer, the
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Prime Minister there barely clinging.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: To the top job.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: There are plenty of knives out for Kios Starmer after
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: his disastrous performance in the House of Commons yesterday, blaming
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: everyone under the sun for him not being told that
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: former Minister Peter Mandelsson, a friend of Jeffrey Epstein's had
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: failed security checks before Starmer appointed him ambassador to the US.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: He is the Prime Minister yesterday.
• 33:43
  Speaker 17: I know many members across the House will find these
• 33:46
  Speaker 17: facts to be incredible.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: That to.
• 33:59
  Speaker 17: That I can only say they are right. It's beggars
• 34:03
  Speaker 17: believe that throughout the whole timeline of events, officials in
• 34:08
  Speaker 17: the Foreign Office saw fit to withhold this information from
• 34:12
  Speaker 17: the most senior ministers in our system in government.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Yes, he just claims ignorance. Let's go to writer and broadcaster.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: It's the Cracker in London.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Good to talk to you again.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: It seems that Kirstamer is just he wants to say
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: I knew nothing, I know nothing, but yeah, But it
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: also seems very clear from all the cross examination that
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: he didn't want to know, that he didn't ask any
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: questions himself.
• 34:37
  Speaker 18: Well, this is the big question even if he had known,
• 34:40
  Speaker 18: because we have to remember Kirstamer did announce Peter Mandelson's
• 34:43
  Speaker 18: appointment as the UK's ambassadors to the US before even
• 34:47
  Speaker 18: security vetting had been cleared. And now we know from
• 34:52
  Speaker 18: a civil servant that he fired, which is interesting because
• 34:55
  Speaker 18: he's running out of people to fire, which means he's
• 34:57
  Speaker 18: running out of people to blame that actually him and
• 35:00
  Speaker 18: his chief of staff piled a lot of pressure on
• 35:03
  Speaker 18: the civil service to get Peter Mandallsson approved. So it
• 35:05
  Speaker 18: doesn't look like even if it would, it be very
• 35:09
  Speaker 18: clear that Peter Mandelssyn had failed the security vetting, as
• 35:12
  Speaker 18: documents now show that Kis Salma would have been keen
• 35:15
  Speaker 18: to not appoint him to the post. And then again
• 35:18
  Speaker 18: this goes back to his judgment. If he was so
• 35:20
  Speaker 18: set on having someone like Peter Mandelsshn and he clearly
• 35:23
  Speaker 18: didn't seem that swayed by whatever evidence would have come
• 35:27
  Speaker 18: up against him being appointed, what does that say about
• 35:30
  Speaker 18: Kistarmer's judgement, And it says something that's very terrifying for
• 35:34
  Speaker 18: him leading the United Kingdom, particularly at this point in
• 35:36
  Speaker 18: our history, that he has none he has no judgment.
• 35:38
  Speaker 18: Now we see all sorts of ministers crawling out of
• 35:40
  Speaker 18: the woodwork, like at miliband the Energy Secretary David Lammy
• 35:46
  Speaker 18: saying that they were personally against the appointment, which is
• 35:49
  Speaker 18: quite astonishing because you know it's going against the ministerial code.
• 35:52
  Speaker 18: They're blatantly saying that they were against the Prime Minister's judgment.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: But this is just going to keep happening.
• 35:57
  Speaker 18: Eve at Cooper, for example, has come out saying some
• 36:00
  Speaker 18: things about kiss Summer's judgment and it's not looking good.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: No, well, let's have a look at what the former
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Undersecretary for Foreign Affairs had to.
• 36:08
  Speaker 19: Say handover briefing I was getting as I arrived at
• 36:12
  Speaker 19: post was what I felt was a generally dismissive attitude
• 36:16
  Speaker 19: to his vetting clearance and a position taken from the
• 36:20
  Speaker 19: Cabinet Office was that there was no need to vet Mandelsson.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is interesting and dismissive attitude, I suppose
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: to a degree. I was thinking about this this morning.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Having worked in Foreign Affairs in the Australian government. Mandelsson
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: is a former cabinet minister, so therefore he would have
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: had access to all top secret information and confidential information
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: as a minister previously. So you can kind of understand
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: that thinking that maybe he didn't really need vetting.
• 36:52
  Speaker 18: Yes, But I think the bigger point here is the
• 36:54
  Speaker 18: complete lack of interest in the process from someone like
• 36:57
  Speaker 18: Kiir Starmer, who's built his entire career and had ability
• 37:01
  Speaker 18: on process. You have to remember he got assitting Prime
• 37:03
  Speaker 18: Minister Boris Johnson fired for eating a piece of cake.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: So he's made this.
• 37:07
  Speaker 18: On debt that he is a competent, skilled politician and
• 37:11
  Speaker 18: that he has a political acumen to run a tight ship.
• 37:13
  Speaker 18: Clearly he has no idea what he's doing, and you know,
• 37:16
  Speaker 18: for many of the politicals in Westminster, the deadline for
• 37:18
  Speaker 18: his defenestration in politics was the May seventh local elections,
• 37:24
  Speaker 18: where reform is expected to cause some severe problems for labor,
• 37:30
  Speaker 18: particularly in Scotland and Wales. And you have to bear
• 37:32
  Speaker 18: in mind labor has never lost in Wales since the
• 37:34
  Speaker 18: devolution of the Welsh Authority back in the late nineteen
• 37:38
  Speaker 18: ninety so that will be a seismic defeat.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: So they were kind of.
• 37:40
  Speaker 18: Just waiting to drag his corpse by the seventh of
• 37:43
  Speaker 18: May once they see the election results are clearly not
• 37:46
  Speaker 18: going to be in their favor, but it looks like
• 37:47
  Speaker 18: it might happen sooner than that. It also is quite
• 37:49
  Speaker 18: telling that Donald Trump also said that Peter Mandelson was
• 37:52
  Speaker 18: a bad appointment, which is quite shocking because I don't
• 37:54
  Speaker 18: think anyone in the Trump administration even paid him. In mind,
• 37:57
  Speaker 18: he's certainly not someone who endeared himself. The Trump administration whatsoever.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: Tonald Trump gives him a kick on the way out.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. We'll keep an eye on that. Thanks
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: so much for joining us again. That's the cracker. They're
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: in London. He might not be much longer for us.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: The Keiostarma.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Now, as I mentioned at the top of the show,
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Labor's finally trying to bring this NDIA is spending under
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: control by cracking down on fraud and raining in the
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: number of participants. Let's get reaction from child adolescent psychologists.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Claire Row, She's spoken to us many times before about
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: the number of children with mild autism who on the scheme.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us again, Claire. You've spoken out before.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: The parents, understandably given the system, have sort of shopped
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: around their medicos to get the right prescribe the diagnosis.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: So then get onto this scheme and access to all
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: sorts of support. Do you believe that this is one
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: of the areas where Labor will be cracking down and
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: trying to get a one hundred and sixty thousand people
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: off the scheme.
• 38:57
  Speaker 11: Well, it seems to be. I mean, they've certainly out
• 39:00
  Speaker 11: lined that a central part of this reform is a
• 39:02
  Speaker 11: shift away from what I've called diagnosis culture. For a
• 39:07
  Speaker 11: long time, the NDIS has been driven by labels and yes,
• 39:11
  Speaker 11: often with children, and incentivized getting a diagnosis. One part
• 39:17
  Speaker 11: of me Chris today kind of gets sick of also
• 39:21
  Speaker 11: the blame always being on those parents and children who
• 39:23
  Speaker 11: are seeking the diagnosis. The NDIS absolutely needs to get
• 39:28
  Speaker 11: the house in order, and I think, you know, to
• 39:31
  Speaker 11: give the analogy that they've offered this or you can
• 39:33
  Speaker 11: eat buffet and now they're complaining that certain people are
• 39:36
  Speaker 11: there piling their plates, you know, so you can't do that.
• 39:41
  Speaker 11: I mean, parents are out there to provide the best
• 39:44
  Speaker 11: start of life to their children, and if there's government
• 39:46
  Speaker 11: money on the table, they'll work.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: The system to do that.
• 39:49
  Speaker 11: But I do think the move away from a label
• 39:52
  Speaker 11: not being enough to talking about absolute functional impairments. So
• 39:57
  Speaker 11: how a person is actually managing in the day to
• 40:00
  Speaker 11: day life, regardless of what label we put on them,
• 40:05
  Speaker 11: should be tied of course to the funding. But the
• 40:08
  Speaker 11: concern now is in the execution, as your previous guests
• 40:11
  Speaker 11: were saying, and can they actually get the consistency and
• 40:15
  Speaker 11: the quality and the governance the oversight into all these
• 40:20
  Speaker 11: people that are assessing these children. Ninety six percent of
• 40:24
  Speaker 11: NDIS providers are still not registered with the NDIS. You
• 40:27
  Speaker 11: can grow st up tomorrow and start collecting money.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Well, this is something I want to make clear as
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: a commentator too, because there are roots and fraud taking.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Advantage of the NDIS.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: But we've heard about organized crime, and we know some
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: phony providers and all the rest of it, and that's
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: unforgivable and that's got to be shaken out of the system.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: But where we're talking about parents accessing services for their children,
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: for all, that's not fraud. That is parents trying to
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: do the best thing for the children. But as you say,
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: in many cases there might be mild autism that doesn't
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: really warrant being on a national disability scheme, that that's
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: too much, it costs too much, that.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: It doesn't really warrant it.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Those parents, though, with those children, still need some support,
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: don't they through other services or support that should be
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: provided perhaps by state governs or maybe by the federal
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: governor as well.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 41:22
  Speaker 11: Absolutely, And this hits at a cultural point in time
• 41:25
  Speaker 11: where there is an expansion of diagnosis, of course, and
• 41:28
  Speaker 11: a lot of these children need some help with some
• 41:30
  Speaker 11: speech therapy, some occupational therapy, and those families tonight are very,
• 41:35
  Speaker 11: very worried because they don't know that there is still
• 41:38
  Speaker 11: a lack of detail on this Thriving Kids program, and
• 41:41
  Speaker 11: to my knowledge, the States have not agreed to take
• 41:44
  Speaker 11: it on. There is no formal agreement there at the moment,
• 41:47
  Speaker 11: and the Feds are crossing their fingers hoping they will.
• 41:50
  Speaker 11: But there's a lot of families contacting me saying what
• 41:52
  Speaker 11: is going to replace this? And it re speaks to
• 41:55
  Speaker 11: a wider question for society, I think is what is
• 41:59
  Speaker 11: an acceptable amount of support the taxpayer is willing to
• 42:02
  Speaker 11: fund for a child who may be struggling in a
• 42:05
  Speaker 11: mild capacity socially or with their development. Is that the
• 42:09
  Speaker 11: responsibility of the taxpayer or not? And perhaps we need
• 42:12
  Speaker 11: to be having those very hard conversations.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: Great stuff, Claire, Thanks so much for joining us. Claire
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: Row their child and adolescent to psychologists. We're going to
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: get to a break on the other side the Wednesday
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: wrangle with Denika and Justin well May. One of the
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: things we'll talk about is the fact that now we're
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: actually forgetting how to sing the national anthem. Why don't
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: think we ever knew how to sing the national anthem?
• 42:32
  Speaker 12: Did?
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: We will check it out after the break, we got.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: The going back together again for a proper Wednesday wrangle.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: Justine Smith joins us in Melbourne, Deanika and de Georgia
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: here on.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: This today, guys, our way, Let's start.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: In Victoria, justin because crime seems to be a problem again,
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty four thousand cases across the criminal
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: and civil courts. You're striving to keep up there the system,
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: and it's getting so bad now that the police commissioner
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: is looking to recruit retired cops. He wants to retired
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: cops to come back on the beat.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: What do you make of that?
• 43:10
  Speaker 20: Oh, mate, and good evening to both of you. It's
• 43:14
  Speaker 20: no shock, absolutely no shock at all that the courts
• 43:17
  Speaker 20: are clogged. And one of the reasons that the courts
• 43:20
  Speaker 20: are clogged is because they keep seeing the same people.
• 43:23
  Speaker 20: You know, and this is no joke, you know, the
• 43:25
  Speaker 20: same people keep coming back through the system because they
• 43:28
  Speaker 20: weren't dealt with the first time. So now you have
• 43:32
  Speaker 20: that going on for a couple of decades and playing
• 43:35
  Speaker 20: out and getting particularly bad out of the last five
• 43:37
  Speaker 20: years or so, you get something like that you know,
• 43:40
  Speaker 20: of course the thing is going to clog up and
• 43:42
  Speaker 20: then feeding into the other thing. Well, how are the
• 43:43
  Speaker 20: cops going to react to that? You know, where's your
• 43:46
  Speaker 20: job satisfaction? Are you going to stay in the job
• 43:48
  Speaker 20: as a police officer if you go out and you
• 43:50
  Speaker 20: do your job, lock somebody up and then they go
• 43:53
  Speaker 20: to the court system, they get bail and they you know,
• 43:55
  Speaker 20: you feel they shouldn't get bail or they're you know,
• 43:58
  Speaker 20: they just get away scott free and it comes back
• 44:01
  Speaker 20: to the courts.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: And there's some shocking crimes.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: That latest machete attack that we saw over the weekend
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: was just frightening. But here's the Commissioner, Mike Bush. Here's
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: what he's got to say about the new recruitment drive.
• 44:13
  Speaker 13: These people former police officers, retired police officers, they don't
• 44:18
  Speaker 13: need any further training to do the roles that they're
• 44:22
  Speaker 13: going to do. Those roles will include supporting our people
• 44:26
  Speaker 13: at the front counter.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: Denika, this sounds a lot like Dad's army, and I
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: reckon these people had enough.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: That's why they quit.
• 44:35
  Speaker 21: And of course they've had enough because they are going
• 44:38
  Speaker 21: through the ring when it comes to youth crime and
• 44:40
  Speaker 21: particularly in Victoria, and now this seems like it's a
• 44:42
  Speaker 21: desperation drive or a dad's army drive. And you know,
• 44:46
  Speaker 21: you've got to actually, I feel really sorry for the
• 44:48
  Speaker 21: police officers of Victoria because many of them are trying
• 44:50
  Speaker 21: to get these crims locked up in behind bars. They
• 44:53
  Speaker 21: go through the justice system, they get a slap on
• 44:55
  Speaker 21: the wrist, the cycle of crime continues. But when I
• 44:57
  Speaker 21: first read this story, I thought, well, you know what,
• 44:59
  Speaker 21: it's another day in Victoria is it? Isn't it that
• 45:02
  Speaker 21: this is a crisis of just into Allen's own making.
• 45:06
  Speaker 21: They can't get recruits into the police force. She has
• 45:09
  Speaker 21: been laxed, she hasn't been funding the police departments. So
• 45:12
  Speaker 21: I am not surprised by this. But I've got to
• 45:14
  Speaker 21: say I feel really sorry for the victims because there's
• 45:17
  Speaker 21: about four thousand unsolved criminal cases right now. Can you
• 45:21
  Speaker 21: imagine the victims having to wait years and years to
• 45:24
  Speaker 21: get any sort of level of closure and they're gonna
• 45:27
  Speaker 21: it's just it's just absolutely appalling. But also, don't forget
• 45:30
  Speaker 21: there's woke. They don't get judge, there's woe.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: The problem is.
• 45:34
  Speaker 20: You don't get that justice when when they get caught,
• 45:37
  Speaker 20: they don't get judge justice. This is the big problem,
• 45:40
  Speaker 20: you know. I think I think what you're saying is
• 45:41
  Speaker 20: quite right. I'm not sure what you're talking about with
• 45:43
  Speaker 20: the funding. I think the police have been funded okay,
• 45:46
  Speaker 20: But where it's gone wrong is when they actually get caught.
• 45:49
  Speaker 20: And yes, four thousand people haven't been caught yet, but
• 45:52
  Speaker 20: when they get caught, it's going through the color system
• 45:55
  Speaker 20: that it really goes to hell.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: I think when it comes to personal and this does
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: sound like Dad's army, but if there are retired coppers
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: who want to get back on the beat, that is
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: fantastic because they did, they have that experience.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: They don't need that training. But we need to get
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: the best of our young people into certain careers, right.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: And two that stand out to me are the police
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: force and teaching.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Right, and I reckon we've just lost respect there is
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: respect is such a key word. We've lost respect.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: For those professions because of the way they're treated in
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: our modern society and so people don't want to do
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: that work for that pay without the respect that goes
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: with it.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 46:32
  Speaker 21: But the other issue, I mean on a different topic
• 46:35
  Speaker 21: here about teaching. The worry that I have Chris is
• 46:37
  Speaker 21: that they're so desperate to get teachers into the profession
• 46:39
  Speaker 21: that they have lowered the grade, the entry grade to
• 46:42
  Speaker 21: get into university. And this is the next generation of teachers.
• 46:45
  Speaker 21: How many can proficiently read and write and do math
• 46:48
  Speaker 21: to be able to teach the next generation. This is
• 46:50
  Speaker 21: where we're It's actually crisis, all right.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Talking about respect.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about respect for the country and our national anthem,
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: because a new survey has shown that most of us
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: just mouthed the words right and thirty two percent of
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: Australia's thirty three percent just admit.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: They mouthed the words when it's being played.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: Forty seven percent say they sing the national anthem. I'm
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: surprised it's that high because another twenty percent say they
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: really will hardly ever sing it. Just to give you
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: an idea, I have a look at this at Anzac
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: Day match at the MCG just a few years back,
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: and have a look at the players singing the anthem
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: with a gusto. And I'm not picking on the Bombers.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: The Magpies were no better on the other side. Justin
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: do you sing the national anthem? Do you know the words?
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: Do you punch it out with a gusto.
• 47:55
  Speaker 20: But I was going to say, what do you expect
• 47:57
  Speaker 20: from the bombers?
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: I look for me.
• 48:02
  Speaker 20: I think it is probably the worst national anthem in
• 48:05
  Speaker 20: the world. It's probably a very close second would be
• 48:09
  Speaker 20: New Zealand, but Australia has got the worst national anthem
• 48:13
  Speaker 20: on the planet. I'm not surprised people don't know the
• 48:15
  Speaker 20: worsame lyrics. It's a ridiculous tune. Well it's I'm sorry, Dan,
• 48:20
  Speaker 20: what was that?
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Why do you think it's the worst? Well, have you
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: heard the Kazakhstan national anthem about the laughter of the world? No,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: that's it.
• 48:28
  Speaker 21: I think we should be proud about national alan. I'm
• 48:30
  Speaker 21: actually really surprised you'd say that justin I think we
• 48:32
  Speaker 21: should be proud of our national anthem. I don't think
• 48:34
  Speaker 21: it stood the time. Yes, I do agree some some
• 48:36
  Speaker 21: of the lyrics have been changed.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: People would see it if they loved it and were
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: proud of it.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Well, we don't have that's but that's the problems.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Anthem has only been around since like the eighties, hasn't it?
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: When was it officially?
• 48:49
  Speaker 21: Money changed the last five years. But I know, I
• 48:52
  Speaker 21: think I think our national anthem is beautiful. I think
• 48:56
  Speaker 21: it's it's it's we should.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Be proud of. I'm not going to start singing.
• 49:04
  Speaker 21: That's tricky, but can I just point.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Out to give it to us.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: You don't have to sing it, just tell us the
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: word doesn't know, it doesn't know.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: The last quasure.
• 49:12
  Speaker 21: I can't say, but it is.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: I like the first verson All.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: Right, why don't we all sing the national anthem to
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: close the show now?
• 49:18
  Speaker 16: Or one?
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: Two?
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: No?
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Go on? Thanks for joining us, Thanks for wrangling Justin
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: and Tanika.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Will see you next week. Here's Peter credl And Peter,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: you were right. I lied last night. I finished school
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: in seventy nine. Here's Peter Credlin.