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Hour 2 - Trans Violence is Real · The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 1: All right, second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off now.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us, everybody. Just wanted to
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Speaker 1: tell you, we're going to get back into the swing
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Speaker 1: of the election here shortly. But we're actually switching gears
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Speaker 1: for a moment to talk to our friend Andy Ngo.
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Speaker 1: He is an investigative journalist, New York Times bestselling author
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Speaker 1: of The Zizians, Inside a Trans Death Cult. And Andy,
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Speaker 1: you know, I've been familiar with your work now for,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, about a decade or so. I don't
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Speaker 1: think anyone in this country has done more to show
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Speaker 1: what the radical left shock troops. And I mean that
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Speaker 1: by shock troops, whether it's Black Block Antifa or these
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Speaker 1: these different protest movements that become incredibly violent, including with you.
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Speaker 1: No one's done more than you, I think, to expose
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Speaker 1: that to show, which is why they, of course, target you.
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Speaker 1: But this era we're in where people like Charlie Kirk
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Speaker 1: are being murdered for their opposition to trans ideology is
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Speaker 1: particularly urgent, it feels like right now. And it feels
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Speaker 1: like we need to dig deeper into what's really going on.
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Speaker 1: Tell us about the Zizians, the trans death cult you
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Speaker 1: write about in this book.
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Speaker 2: So I was recently in Florida, and I was on
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Speaker 2: Dave Rubin's podcast, and we were talking about how we
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Speaker 2: met nine years ago. At that time, I was a
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Speaker 2: student at Portland State University, and there were SJW protests
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Speaker 2: that were trying to shut down the Dave Rubin event.
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Speaker 2: And it just made me think of how that movement
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Speaker 2: has mutated into evolved to what we're seeing now, which
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Speaker 2: is killing people and maiming people. And I've been documenting
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Speaker 2: that evolution. Most people know my reporting over the years
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Speaker 2: on Antifa. And six years ago, when I was still
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Speaker 2: based in Portland, Oregon, at that time in 2020, during
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Speaker 2: the BLM Antifa riots, I noticed that disproportionately the suspects
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Speaker 2: who were being arrested for violent crimes that were being
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Speaker 2: committed night after night in the name of BLM and
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Speaker 2: so-called anti-racism, they were disproportionately transgender identifying in some way.
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Speaker 2: And it was just a note that I put in
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Speaker 2: the back of my mind. Eventually, I was attacked multiple times,
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Speaker 2: nearly killed. I've been living in exile, living in England
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Speaker 2: for a number of years now because of that. And
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Speaker 2: the individuals that I was able to identify and allege
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Speaker 2: in a lawsuit as being part of those attacks, half
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Speaker 2: of them are trans-identifying. So in addition to that, in
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Speaker 2: the last five years, there's been atrocity after atrocity, mass
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Speaker 2: shootings committed by trans-identifying individuals. All of this has come.
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Speaker 3: Together to really provide the.
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Speaker 2: Context and the background for why I went fully into
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Speaker 2: investigating a group that has its origins in Silicon Valley,
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Speaker 2: a trans group, which I later learned was a cult.
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Speaker 2: and they are linked to at least eight known violent
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Speaker 2: deaths across the U.S. I don't have a background in
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Speaker 2: true crime, but the story of the Zizians is quite
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Speaker 2: impossible to believe in the sense that what they were
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Speaker 2: able to get away with, how they were able to
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Speaker 2: exploit sensibilities about transphobia in California to manipulate the courts
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Speaker 2: to buy them time. Meanwhile, a witness to one of
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Speaker 2: their alleged violent acts was assassinated, and they kept allegedly
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Speaker 2: killing people. And this group central to the ideology was transgenderism.
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Speaker 2: They really believed that they could form a vanguard of
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Speaker 2: trans-identifying people who could quote-unquote save the world. But in
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Speaker 2: their minds, saving the world means killing humanity. They really
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Speaker 2: believed that humans are evil because we eat meat and
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Speaker 2: consume animals as part of our resources. And so very
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Speaker 2: few people have heard of the Zizians, but they're emblematic
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Speaker 2: of this larger trend of trans violence, which I contextualize
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Speaker 2: in the book. And I chronicle a number of attacks
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Speaker 2: that have happened and violent incidents involving trans people or
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Speaker 2: where trans ideology was somehow involved. And this is a
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Speaker 2: phenomenon that is not slowing down anytime soon.
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Speaker 4: That's what I was going to ask you.
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Speaker 5: There have been some reports that sort of this identity
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Speaker 5: world that we have entered into where people identify at
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Speaker 5: much higher rates as gay or much higher rates as
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Speaker 5: trans has been declining and there may have been a
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Speaker 5: social contagion aspect to it to some degree. Do you
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Speaker 5: think we have hit peak trans agenda and there's going
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Speaker 5: to be more of a pushback and more of a
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Speaker 5: parental understanding that pumping kids full of hormones when they're
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Speaker 5: 11 or 12 years old is child abuse? Or do
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Speaker 5: you think this process of the transing of our kids
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Speaker 5: and the transing of large segments of American society, particularly
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Speaker 5: on the left, is going to continue?
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Speaker 2: So as a gay man, I think that the higher
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Speaker 2: identification we've seen over the last 10 years is It's
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Speaker 2: not people identifying more as gay, but rather as queer,
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Speaker 2: which is more of a political ideology, in my opinion,
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Speaker 2: than a sexual orientation. In the same way that trans
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Speaker 2: and or non-binary or being gender diverse in some way
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Speaker 2: does function as a political ideology. We're seeing individuals who
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Speaker 2: have never, adults, let's say grown men, who throughout their
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Speaker 2: entire lives had never espoused or shown signs of gender
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Speaker 2: confusion or gender dysphoria, but then suddenly starting to wear
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Speaker 2: dresses and wigs. And I think for them, some of them,
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Speaker 2: That pathway through transgender ideology comes through their sexual paraphilias
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Speaker 2: and fetishes through the content that they're watching. There's also
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Speaker 2: an aspect of social contagion, particularly among youths, that may
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Speaker 2: explain that high identification. We are seeing some new polling
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Speaker 2: that that number does appear to be tapering slightly now.
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Speaker 2: And I don't think that's necessarily a full cause for
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Speaker 2: concern because The language of the trans activists is that
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Speaker 2: there's an ongoing trans genocide, that legislation is being enacted
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Speaker 2: at the federal level or at Republican state level that
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Speaker 2: is meant to erase them. So they're going to use
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Speaker 2: this data as a rallying point for so-called evidence about
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Speaker 2: quote-unquote trans genocide to which is very radicalizing, and the
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Speaker 2: Zizians themselves also believed that there was ongoing transgenocide, which
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Speaker 2: is why they stockpiled firearms and allegedly used the deadly
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Speaker 2: weapons to murder people in very brutal ways. So at
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Speaker 2: the very tail end of this small population, there are
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Speaker 2: disturbed individuals. That's documented in academic literature, higher rates of
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Speaker 2: mood and personality disorders, autism spectrum disorder, and then you
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Speaker 2: introduce a radicalizing ideology, and cross-sex hormones and drugs, that
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Speaker 2: may explain why we're seeing what we're seeing.
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Speaker 1: We're speaking to Andy Ngo, his book, which I highly recommend.
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Speaker 1: Andy's a New York Times bestseller. He knows more about
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Speaker 1: this stuff than anybody else. The Zizians, Z-I-Z, The Zizians,
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Speaker 1: Inside a Trans Death Cult. I've got my copy here
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Speaker 1: in the studio. Andy, You know, my background is CIA
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Speaker 1: terrorism analysis before I got into media. And as you're
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Speaker 1: talking and laying this out about this group, the Zizians,
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Speaker 1: and there are words you're using, and I know you're
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Speaker 1: using them with intent, words like radicalizing. And we're talking
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Speaker 1: about violence, violence toward an ideology. What would you say
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Speaker 1: if I brought you on to Capitol Hill and they
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Speaker 1: were having hearings, let's say, about whether there should be
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Speaker 1: an understanding of radical trans ideology as an ideology of terrorism,
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Speaker 1: similar to, say, jihad and Al Qaeda, similar to what
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Speaker 1: we see talked about in a whole bunch of other
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Speaker 1: ideological contexts.
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Speaker 4: Is this the basis? Is it already a terrorist ideology?
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Speaker 2: Because this is such a new phenomenon and it takes
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Speaker 2: investigators time to catch up with things that are happening
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Speaker 2: in real time. I don't think that, from what I'm
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Speaker 2: aware of, that federal officials and investigators are.
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Speaker 3: Only just now being aware.
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Speaker 1: I know they're not treating it as one, Andy. Do
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Speaker 1: you think it should be, is my question to you.
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Speaker 1: Do you think this should be considered a terrorist ideology?
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Speaker 2: I absolutely do, because if you look at the propaganda
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Speaker 2: literature that's put out by trans extremist groups, which are
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Speaker 2: adjacent to the Antifa extremist groups, It's an anti-state ideology.
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Speaker 2: It's revolutionary. And it's also urging and calling for one
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Speaker 2: another to stockpile firearms and to learn how to kill people.
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Speaker 2: There's been an explosion in memberships and trainings of the
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Speaker 2: use of firearms by trans extremists since Donald Trump was
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Speaker 2: won in the 24 election. And they're using all this
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Speaker 2: as evidence of so-called genocide against them. And there's already
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Speaker 2: been a number of individuals just recently in the last
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Speaker 2: number of weeks who were part of Trantifa cells, I
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Speaker 2: would call it, who have been federally charged for allegedly
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Speaker 2: planning and conspiring anti-government deadly violence.
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Speaker 4: Let's dive in here.
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Speaker 5: You mentioned the deadly violence inspired by trans ideology.
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Speaker 4: How frustrating is it to you?
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Speaker 5: That instead of having a big national conversation about trans
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Speaker 5: violence in the wake of Charlie Kirk's assassination by someone
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Speaker 5: who was dating a trans individual and seems to have
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Speaker 5: been motivated by radical trans ideology, That is Tyler Robinson,
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Speaker 5: that instead much of the online right has descended into
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Speaker 5: a crazy sort of circular firing squad of conspiracies instead
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Speaker 5: of focusing on the person, in my opinion, that actually
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Speaker 5: perpetrated the day, the violence and what his motivation was.
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Speaker 4: How much did we miss the plot here? Missed it hugely.
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Speaker 2: I think many influential people have been extremely unethical and
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Speaker 2: irresponsible in propagating hypotheses that are not supported.
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Speaker 3: By what we know.
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Speaker 2: I think the alleged evidence that's been put out by
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Speaker 2: officials in the Tyler Robinson case out of Utah has
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Speaker 2: been very compelling. And from what we know from officials,
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Speaker 2: This is sort of the the latest mutation of what
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Speaker 2: I consider trans violence is not where we're seeing alleged
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Speaker 2: violent criminals committing who are not trans identifying themselves but
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Speaker 2: nevertheless reference trans ideology or a need to stop the
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Speaker 2: hate against trans individuals as Robinson allegedly said to his
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Speaker 2: family and others that that type of people now emerging
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Speaker 2: as a source of violence and.
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Speaker 1: Andy, great work as always. Honestly, you're a very brave
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Speaker 1: man and what you do is important. And I've been
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Speaker 1: following your work, as I said, for a long time
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Speaker 1: and have a tremendous amount of respect for what you've done.
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Speaker 1: And you really I mean, you actually are an investigative journalist.
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Speaker 1: There are very few people who do that work and
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Speaker 1: you do it. And I really hope people will go.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure it will be chilling, but it's an important read.
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Speaker 1: Go check out the Zizians inside a trans death cult.
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Speaker 1: And Andy, keep up the good work and stay safe.
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Speaker 3: It's so fluffy.
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Speaker 1: Good on you, sir. Thank you, Catherine. It's real and
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Speaker 1: it's fantastic. I used to get accused, Clay, of wearing
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Speaker 1: a wig when I would go on CNN all the
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Speaker 4: All the time.
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Speaker 5: So your dad has similar hair. Like you can point
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Speaker 1: By the way, standing next to them. I mean, you
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Speaker 5: I mean, every time I didn't want to pose with
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Speaker 5: the photo and Marsha is, you know, a normal sized, uh, woman,
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Speaker 4: Before we also bring you to.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Very nice. Very, very well done.
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Speaker 1: Um, Before we get to Mike Rogers and the important
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Speaker 1: Senate race, which we're going to do in a minute,
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Speaker 1: a little more fun here on the fast casual restaurant debate.
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Speaker 1: This is Kurt from Cincinnati. B, hit it.
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Speaker 4: You're absolutely right. Twin Peaks, the beer's colder, the girls
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Speaker 4: out of the water. This is what happens when you leave, Buck.
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Speaker 5: Next thing you know, I'm breaking down Hooters versus Twin Peaks,
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Speaker 5: which is the better sports.
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Speaker 1: Is that how that came up? I was like, wow,
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Speaker 1: this is a real Donnybrook, if you will. Twin Peaks
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Speaker 1: versus Hooters. Didn't Twin Peaks.
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Speaker 4: File for bankruptcy recently? Hooters. Maybe both of them.
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Speaker 2: Oh, no.
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Speaker 4: Hooters did. Maybe they both did.
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Speaker 1: I think one of the challenges is, and I would
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Speaker 1: put myself in this game. I know why this happened,
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Speaker 1: by the way. I think you and I are going
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Speaker 1: to say this. We know why those restaurant chains are
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Speaker 4: What's your theory?
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Speaker 1: Well, I agree with that, but wouldn't that be true?
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Speaker 1: Are all sports bar chains having a rough time? Because
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Speaker 1: definitely the girls of a voluptuous nature serving you chicken wings,
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Speaker 1: that has been in decline. But have all sports bars
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Speaker 1: been in decline?
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Speaker 5: Buffalo wild wings is probably the biggest chain and i
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Speaker 5: don't think it's that great personally um and so it
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Speaker 5: is a good question from you i have not looked
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Speaker 5: Welcome back in, Clay and Buck. We're going to be
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Speaker 5: joined by Mike Rogers. He is campaigning, as you might
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Speaker 5: effort to stack Alaska's ballot. Operatives aligned with Mary Peltola,
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Speaker 4: Listen to this, Buck.
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Speaker 5: This is the opening, again, of a New York Times
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Speaker 5: article that just published in the last couple of hours.
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Speaker 5: And let me know if Mike Rogers joins us, but
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Speaker 5: I just want to hit you with some of these details.
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Speaker 5: We're going to discuss it more in the remainder of
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Speaker 5: the show. Here's the opening of the story. In the
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Speaker 5: summer of 2025, a staffer for Mary Pelotola, the Alaska
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Speaker 5: Democrat eyeing a run for the Senate, received a unusual
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Speaker 5: instructions from top campaign aides. Find as many people named
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Speaker 5: Dan Sullivan in Alaska as you can. The staffer complied,
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Speaker 5: combing through voter records to produce a list of Dan
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Speaker 5: Sullivan's from across the state. This was no random request.
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Speaker 5: Dan S. Sullivan is the name of the state's Republican senator.
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Speaker 5: And if the Peltola campaign or its allies could track
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Speaker 5: down and persuade Another Dan Sullivan to run for Senate.
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Speaker 5: The confusion could cost the senator crucial votes on the
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Speaker 5: state's unusual four-person ballot. Mike Rogers joins us now. You
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Speaker 5: are in the middle of an incredibly contentious race in Michigan.
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Speaker 5: I'm not sure if you've seen this story yet coming
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Speaker 5: out of Alaska. The fact that Democrats are cheating on
20:41
Speaker 5: the level of just finding a guy by the same
20:43
Speaker 5: name to try and get voters to be confused on
20:48
Speaker 5: alaskan ballots i'm sure you're seeing all sorts of crazy
20:52
Speaker 5: tactics all over michigan too they're pulling out all the
20:55
Speaker 5: dirty stops and of course this is the campaign that
20:59
Speaker 5: claims they care so much about voter integrity and democracy
21:03
Speaker 5: what are you seeing on the ground what can you
21:04
Speaker 5: tell us oh.
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Speaker 3: My gosh yes and even worse than that so we
21:09
Speaker 3: we have a guy who has associated with The Muslim Brotherhood,
21:12
Speaker 3: which he's lied about constantly, won't answer questions to the press.
21:16
Speaker 3: But the other day they put a commercial that insinuates
21:20
Speaker 3: he was raised as a Presbyterian from his adopted parents. Wow. Grandparents,
21:28
Speaker 3: adopted grandparents. It's kind of crazy that they would make
21:34
Speaker 3: that leap. They're just saying anything, doing anything. We anticipate
21:38
Speaker 3: that they're not going to be stand-up citizens going into
21:42
Speaker 3: this thing, and so I think we're ready for all
21:45
Speaker 3: of that. And this is for all the marvels. This
21:47
Speaker 3: is really not left or right anymore. This is really
21:52
Speaker 3: about the heart and soul of the country here. And boy,
21:57
Speaker 3: this is going to be a game of inches. So
21:58
Speaker 3: we're on a 12-day, 60-stop bus tour that's going phenomenally well.
22:04
Speaker 3: Our excitement in the crowds are great. We have Senator Cruz...
22:10
Speaker 3: with us on the bus stop today, who, by the way,
22:12
Speaker 3: wants me to ask about Tennessee football over the weekend.
22:17
Speaker 5: I'm trying not to think about that, by the way.
22:20
Speaker 5: We choked against South Carolina late. Tell Senator Cruz I
22:23
Speaker 5: appreciate him bringing that up. I was trying to forget it.
22:27
Speaker 3: I think he knew what he was doing. I think
22:29
Speaker 3: there had been a little shivving going on in that
22:31
Speaker 3: whole thing. But I tell you what, we are excited
22:35
Speaker 3: about people coming, kind of awareness. People start to put
22:38
Speaker 3: on their jerseys. People start to say, hey, this guy's dangerous.
22:43
Speaker 3: I mean, he's really dangerous. His ties to the Muslim
22:46
Speaker 3: Brotherhood are pretty extensive. And guess what? The media is
22:53
Speaker 3: playing along. I mean, he went on NBC and they said,
22:57
Speaker 3: do you have any relations to the Muslim Brotherhood? He said, no.
23:00
Speaker 3: He said, okay, great. I mean... unbelievable. You know, like,
23:05
Speaker 3: you know, bringing Al Capone into the office for an
23:08
Speaker 3: interview and said, do you have anything to do with
23:09
Speaker 3: organized crime? No? Okay, great. You're good to go. I've
23:13
Speaker 3: never seen anything quite like it. So we're just out
23:16
Speaker 3: there trying to get the message out about how bad
23:18
Speaker 3: he is for the state. He's the most radical and
23:21
Speaker 3: extremist candidate in the country because he not only has
23:24
Speaker 3: the whole Democrat Socialist of America agenda, he's got a
23:27
Speaker 3: little side sauce of Muslim Brotherhood. What could go wrong?
23:32
Speaker 4: Senator Rogers is You are going to run through the tape.
23:35
Speaker 4: We know that.
23:36
Speaker 1: And you have been fighting and fighting in a tough state, right?
23:39
Speaker 1: A state where you don't have some big registration advantage.
23:43
Speaker 1: You don't have a 10-point lead handed to you, or rather...
23:48
Speaker 1: You know, Donald Trump showing that a 10 point lead
23:50
Speaker 1: is even or 10 point win is possible.
23:51
Speaker 3: Right.
23:52
Speaker 4: It's going to be tight.
23:52
Speaker 1: We know that to that end, although we have faith
23:56
Speaker 1: in you, I will say Clay has always had.
23:57
Speaker 4: Faith in you, Senator. I'm not going to lie.
23:59
Speaker 1: I got a little worried there for a second, but
24:01
Speaker 1: I have faith, too. I actually think you're going to
24:02
Speaker 1: come up with the W because I know you're pushing
24:04
Speaker 1: till the very end. Clay's smiling because he knows I'm
24:06
Speaker 1: not going to pretend, but I actually think you are
24:08
Speaker 1: going to win this race. Who has to come out?
24:11
Speaker 1: We know the base has to show up. We know
24:12
Speaker 1: the Trump voter has to show up. Who else has
24:16
Speaker 1: to come out for you that you think is the
24:19
Speaker 1: difference-maker constituency in your state of Michigan? Give me some
24:23
Speaker 1: of the profiles or some of the demos, or who
24:25
Speaker 1: do you think can be the difference-maker for you in
24:28
Speaker 1: these final days?
24:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, so Jewish Democrats have been huge for us
24:33
Speaker 3: up here. I mean, again, this guy is so extreme.
24:36
Speaker 3: Think of this. The former state party chairman has come
24:41
Speaker 3: out and said he cannot vote for this guy. And
24:45
Speaker 3: we have a dozen of elected Democrats saying they can't
24:49
Speaker 3: vote for this guy. This is how extreme he is.
24:52
Speaker 3: So we think that that demographic of not voting and
24:55
Speaker 3: there's going to be a lot of Democrats doing that
24:57
Speaker 3: and Democrats who come out. Matter of fact, Alyssa Slotkin,
25:01
Speaker 3: finance chairman. of her last campaign, and he's a big,
25:06
Speaker 3: lifelong supporter of Democrat candidates up and down the ballot,
25:11
Speaker 3: not a Republican, came out yesterday and said, not only
25:15
Speaker 3: am I not going to vote for this guy, I'm
25:16
Speaker 3: going to vote for Mike Rogers. That kind of demographic
25:19
Speaker 3: is huge for us, and it presents in two ways.
25:23
Speaker 3: One is Jewish Democrats for Rogers, huge. We think we're
25:27
Speaker 3: going to get half, at least half, of Jewish Democrats
25:30
Speaker 3: in the state. That's about 35,000 votes. It would be
25:33
Speaker 3: a swing for us. And the other big demographic for us,
25:37
Speaker 3: I mean, again, you said take the base out of
25:40
Speaker 3: the equation because we work really hard on getting our
25:42
Speaker 3: base to turn out. And we have the largest ground
25:45
Speaker 3: game in the country right now. We've just crossed 7
25:48
Speaker 3: million doors, which has never been done here. College Republicans
25:53
Speaker 3: came in last weekend and just college Republicans knocked on
25:58
Speaker 3: 20,000 doors last week. I mean, it's just Really, really impressive.
26:01
Speaker 3: And we're just not cut canvas in neighborhoods. It's very targeted.
26:05
Speaker 3: So it's huge and valuable. Then we're going to add
26:08
Speaker 3: this Jewish Democrats to our coalition. And here's the one
26:11
Speaker 3: that's been pleasantly surprising for us. African-American voters in Detroit
26:17
Speaker 3: and Pontiac and Flint. And we're not going to win
26:19
Speaker 3: those areas. We know that. But could we move that
26:22
Speaker 3: needle 5% and 6% and 7%? We think absolutely yes.
26:26
Speaker 3: It's going so well, we ended up opening an office.
26:30
Speaker 3: in Detroit and not downtown. We're out in the neighborhoods
26:34
Speaker 3: so people could participate and pick up their signs. And
26:36
Speaker 3: the number one sign flying out of those doors, Democrats
26:40
Speaker 3: for Rogers in the city of Detroit. And so we're
26:44
Speaker 3: working that. We're talking to them. We are. I've spent
26:48
Speaker 3: a lot of time down there, met with dozens of
26:50
Speaker 3: black pastors across the city of Detroit. We've had really
26:55
Speaker 3: phenomenal reception. I mean, people aren't tossing us out. They're
26:58
Speaker 3: listening to us, and we think we're going to move
27:01
Speaker 3: that needle. Again, you get 35,000 Democrats to switch, Jewish Democrats,
27:07
Speaker 3: and we move the needle on black voters in Detroit
27:11
Speaker 3: and Flint and Pontiac, just six points. Man, that's that.
27:15
Speaker 3: And we have to have a good turnout. If we
27:17
Speaker 3: don't have a good turnout, it's all over. But if
27:19
Speaker 3: we think that's happening, the energy rate is high, every
27:22
Speaker 3: one of these events we stop at, people are fired up.
27:25
Speaker 3: They know what's at stake. They know how dangerous this
27:28
Speaker 3: guy is. They know you can't send a guy back
27:31
Speaker 3: who can't condemn terrorism and doesn't know Iran is an
27:33
Speaker 3: enemy of the United States.
27:36
Speaker 5: I know that. You just laid out all the people
27:39
Speaker 5: you need to come vote. How much is a couple
27:42
Speaker 5: of parts here? How much is John James helping?
27:44
Speaker 4: He's running.
27:45
Speaker 5: I want everybody to know, too, as governor in Michigan
27:49
Speaker 5: in an open governor seat. And also, how much of
27:53
Speaker 5: this is El Sayed's arrogance? Because I've seen a lot
27:56
Speaker 5: of traditional Democrat voters, black, like you said, in Detroit
28:00
Speaker 5: and Flint. in different communities that have large black populations,
28:04
Speaker 5: just saying this guy hasn't shown up. He didn't do
28:07
Speaker 5: well with their vote with Haley Stevens. There seems to
28:11
Speaker 5: be some tension there between Abdul El-Sayed and black voters
28:15
Speaker 5: in Michigan.
28:16
Speaker 4: I'm sure you pick up on that.
28:18
Speaker 5: What have those conversations been like and what have they
28:21
Speaker 5: told you about maybe even his arrogance when it comes
28:24
Speaker 5: to going after that vote?
28:26
Speaker 3: So think of this. He told a small group of
28:29
Speaker 3: African Americans down in the city. It was more like
28:31
Speaker 3: a roundtable. And we know this was someone who was there,
28:34
Speaker 3: told us this, that he told them, listen, I know
28:38
Speaker 3: you might have some problems with me, but get on board.
28:41
Speaker 3: I'm going to win. And if you don't, I'll go
28:43
Speaker 3: get boats. I'll make up your boats somewhere else. This
28:49
Speaker 3: is a guy that's trying to get, heal this rift
28:52
Speaker 3: that the that his community and the African-American community in
28:55
Speaker 3: Detroit have been going through for a better part of
28:57
Speaker 3: a decade. It's not selling. He's arrogant. He does not
29:03
Speaker 3: connect well. He sat down with a black podcaster. She
29:08
Speaker 3: ordered salmon. He ordered fried chicken.
29:10
Speaker 4: I saw that video.
29:12
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable. I mean, you want to talk about having
29:16
Speaker 3: your head deposited up your backside. That's exactly the way
29:19
Speaker 3: to do it. He doesn't understand that. African-Americans in Detroit
29:22
Speaker 3: doesn't understand what their concerns are. He's dismissive. He is
29:29
Speaker 3: certainly divisive. And, you know, he has a lot of
29:31
Speaker 3: pretty talk. When he gets in trouble, he, you know,
29:33
Speaker 3: he crafts himself a nice statement and all of that.
29:36
Speaker 3: I just don't think it's working. And we had our supporters.
29:38
Speaker 3: Think of this. He had to bring in Barack Obama
29:42
Speaker 3: to try to save his black vote in Detroit. And
29:45
Speaker 3: we've had a lot of our voters say, you know what?
29:49
Speaker 3: I love Barack Obama, but that is not translating into
29:52
Speaker 3: a vote for Abdul. That one surprised us. We thought, uh-oh,
29:56
Speaker 3: that's going to cause us some trouble. But it didn't
29:58
Speaker 3: seem to move our needle. And remember, we're not trying
30:01
Speaker 3: to win the city of Detroit. We won't win the
30:04
Speaker 3: city of Detroit. We don't need to win it. We
30:05
Speaker 3: just need to improve ourselves six or seven points so
30:10
Speaker 3: that we can take enough margin from them. He can't
30:13
Speaker 3: make it up on college campuses is exactly what they're
30:16
Speaker 3: trying to do.
30:17
Speaker 5: Early voting is underway. We've got a big audience in Michigan.
30:20
Speaker 5: I know you said you're on this barnstorming tour all
30:23
Speaker 5: over the state. What are the early voting numbers looking
30:27
Speaker 5: like so far as you can see? And why is
30:30
Speaker 5: it important if people can in Michigan to get out
30:33
Speaker 5: and vote early for you?
30:35
Speaker 4: Just explain all that.
30:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, no. So and thanks for that question. This is really,
30:39
Speaker 3: really important for us. We've had a little over a
30:41
Speaker 3: million votes already. We're expecting somewhere between 4.5 and 4.7
30:47
Speaker 3: million votes in this election. So you can see that
30:50
Speaker 3: there's been a huge chunk already have voted in just
30:55
Speaker 3: by the numbers. And we think this is our ground game.
30:58
Speaker 3: just by our numbers and modeling. So we don't have
31:01
Speaker 3: party registration here, so we can't say, you know, Mike
31:04
Speaker 3: Rogers voted, he's a registered Republican. We can't see that.
31:08
Speaker 3: But we have modeling for these folks and, you know,
31:11
Speaker 3: have identified people who are low propensity Republican voters, high
31:15
Speaker 3: propensity Republican voters. So when you just lay it down
31:19
Speaker 3: and say, okay, if these people vote, they are likely
31:23
Speaker 3: to vote for you by modeling. And this is pretty accurate.
31:27
Speaker 3: We're leading the return rate. Now, this doesn't mean we're
31:31
Speaker 3: up by seven points, but the return rate is 7%
31:35
Speaker 3: higher than the Democrats. That's much better than it was
31:38
Speaker 3: in 2022 by a significant margin. So we're thinking that
31:44
Speaker 3: that's people who are fired up and excited to make
31:47
Speaker 3: sure that Abdul does not get into the United States Senate.
31:51
Speaker 3: And we think that's a huge important statistic for us.
31:56
Speaker 3: that we're just continuing to do the right thing. And
31:58
Speaker 3: when you vote early, which we wish you would, off
32:02
Speaker 3: our list, you would expect sort of that or more
32:08
Speaker 3: mail or kind of door. And we are pretty sophisticated
32:12
Speaker 3: at this by now. Drop your ballot. We have other people.
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Speaker 4: Okay, rogersforsenate.com. He's cutting up there because he's on the
32:22
Speaker 4: campaign trail.
32:22
Speaker 5: I think he's breaking up a little bit, but he's
32:24
Speaker 5: saying go get your ballots in and get your friends
32:27
Speaker 5: and neighbors get their ballots in as well. But those
32:30
Speaker 5: numbers are very, very encouraging. Buck's on the side of
32:33
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32:35
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34:00
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34:03
Speaker 4: Welcome back into Clay and Buck.
34:05
Speaker 1: Because we want to make sure that we are focused
34:08
Speaker 1: on the enormously important midterm election, which is now just
34:12
Speaker 1: less than a week away. Tuesday, the big day. Huge
34:15
Speaker 1: day on Tuesday. We will be talking to John Husted, U.S.
34:19
Speaker 1: Senator from Ohio, next.
34:21
Speaker 4: Ohio....
34:23
Speaker 1: Clay, he's going to come on this show, I'm hoping,
34:25
Speaker 1: and get us all fired up for how they're going
34:28
Speaker 1: to pull it out in Ohio. Vivek, Husted, they're going
34:31
Speaker 1: to make it happen. All these polls are fake polls, nonsense.
34:35
Speaker 1: At least I'm hoping that's what he's going to say.
34:37
Speaker 1: But it's going to require everybody out there to go
34:39
Speaker 1: out there and vote. Ohio is the single place where
34:43
Speaker 1: I think.
34:45
Speaker 3: We....
34:47
Speaker 1: So go with Ohio in this midterm, I think, in
34:50
Speaker 1: some ways. So go with the election. because if they're
34:53
Speaker 1: able to overcome a 10-point advantage, an over 10-point advantage
34:56
Speaker 1: from 2024 for Trump, that means the Democrats have done
35:01
Speaker 1: well elsewhere, I would think. Clay, what are your thoughts?
35:04
Speaker 1: We'll get to it with this good senator from Ohio shortly,
35:07
Speaker 1: but the polls would have to be way off for
35:10
Speaker 1: Ohio to.
35:10
Speaker 5: End the way we want it to. Yeah, and they
35:12
Speaker 5: have been way off in the past. And what I
35:14
Speaker 5: come back to is Trump won Ohio by 11. So
35:18
Speaker 5: if Ohio Republicans show up, if Ohio Trump voters show up,
35:23
Speaker 5: then Husted and Vivek should win. Because unlike North Carolina
35:27
Speaker 5: or Georgia or even Michigan, where we were just talking
35:30
Speaker 5: to Mike Rogers, certainly Maine, New Hampshire, there's a huge
35:34
Speaker 5: advantage built in for the Republican Party here. So it's
35:37
Speaker 5: really just a get out the vote contest. We know
35:40
Speaker 5: President Trump has been barnstorming. All over Ohio to try
35:44
Speaker 5: to help out. So we will find out what the
35:46
Speaker 5: absolute latest from John Husted is. We'll also dive back
35:49
Speaker 5: into that report from The New York Times about the
35:52
Speaker 5: dirty tricks that Democrats are putting in place to try
35:55
Speaker 5: to run a man named Dan Sullivan against the sitting senator.
36:00
Speaker 5: And the fact that this came from direct Democrat dirty
36:03
Speaker 5: tactics associated with the fact that four names are on
36:06
Speaker 5: the ballot. You know, they created this ranked choice voting
36:10
Speaker 5: and now they're trying to exploit confusion to take advantage.
36:13
Speaker 1: Is this the dirtiest thing since Democrats used COVID as
36:16
Speaker 1: an excuse to hide Biden's dementia in the basement during
36:19
Speaker 1: his presidential campaign? I think it's got to be the
36:21
Speaker 1: dirtiest since then.
36:23
Speaker 4: Is it as dirty?
36:24
Speaker 5: I think it's even dirtier, Buck, because there's an intent
36:28
Speaker 5: behind it. Democrats didn't control COVID. China screwed all that up.
36:34
Speaker 5: This was an intentional plan they put in place. If
36:37
Speaker 5: they hadn't gone in search of Dan Sullivan, he would
36:41
Speaker 5: have never been on this ballot. I think it's one
36:43
Speaker 5: of the dirtiest things I've ever seen in modern American
36:46
Speaker 5: politics from the party that claims to care so much
36:49
Speaker 5: about democracy and We'll head to Ohio, talk to our
36:51
Speaker 5: buddy John Husted next.