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Manipulated or Murderer_ The Twisted Ashley Humphrey Case _ Killer Women With Piers Morgan · History Dark

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  Speaker 1: I just want you to see that picture, okay? The
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  Speaker 1: lady you shot, that's her daughter, okay? And I want
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  Speaker 1: you to look at that picture there so that every
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  Speaker 1: night when you go to sleep in your jail cell,
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  Speaker 1: that's the face you see, because you ruined her life.
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  Speaker 1: You understand me?
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  Speaker 2: Think about how a contract hit goes. In and out, one,
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  Speaker 2: two shots, very clean. The only thing that made it
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  Speaker 2: different from a contract hit was the number of times
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  Speaker 2: that she was shot.
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  Speaker 3: It's a case that has more twists and turns than
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  Speaker 3: a Stephen King novel.
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  Speaker 1: You're willing to kill another human being because.
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  Speaker 4: You love him.
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  Speaker 2: Humphrey is accused of teaching his wife of one day
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  Speaker 2: how to kill.
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  Speaker 4: Is this the gun you kept in your car?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 1: Is this the gun you later would use.
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  Speaker 6: What exactly is so wrong in you that can convince
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  Speaker 6: you to do something like that?
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  Speaker 4: So you're standing, shooting through the window of a car
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  Speaker 4: at a woman you've never met, and you empty the chamber. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.
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  Speaker 4: This is a cold-blooded execution. It did no part of you.
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  Speaker 4: I think, what the hell am I doing?
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  Speaker 7: Prosecutors say she sat in a rental car off the
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  Speaker 7: Courtney Campbell Causeway outside the bar where Raza worked, followed
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  Speaker 7: her home, and shot her eight times.
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  Speaker 4: Late one night in July 2003, Sandra Rozzo, a bartender
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  Speaker 4: and former model, pulled into this garage at her home.
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  Speaker 4: She had no idea someone was waiting to kill her.
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  Speaker 2: I was the on-call detective that night. The crime scene
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  Speaker 2: itself in the car was brutal.
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  Speaker 4: It was gruesome. There was a lot of blood all
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  Speaker 4: over that car.
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  Speaker 2: Experience tells you that one or two shots, it could
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  Speaker 2: have been a robbery. But there were seven, eight shots
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  Speaker 2: that were fired at her at close range. The first
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  Speaker 2: thing that came to mind was that this was not
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  Speaker 2: a random act of violence.
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  Speaker 4: This was, I.
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  Speaker 3: Need to silence you. I need to put an end
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  Speaker 3: to you. It's cold, it's calculated, it's premeditated.
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  Speaker 8: It was very terrifying for Ms.
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  Speaker 3: Razo.
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  Speaker 8: And we know that because she was in the driver's
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  Speaker 8: side of the vehicle, but she wound up getting shot
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  Speaker 8: all the way over on the passenger side of the vehicle.
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  Speaker 8: We believe she was trying to escape out just to
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  Speaker 8: get away from the person who smashed on her window
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  Speaker 8: with a gun and then started opening fire on her.
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  Speaker 4: It took detectives six months to make an arrest.
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  Speaker 1: Sit over.
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  Speaker 5: There.
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  Speaker 4: The unlikely suspect was a 20-year-old woman previously unknown to
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  Speaker 4: the police. Ashley Humphrey had overcome a turbulent childhood to
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  Speaker 4: graduate with honours from high school.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Ashley, an indictment was handed down for you for
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  Speaker 1: the first-degree homicide of Sandra Rosso, okay? And you'll have
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  Speaker 1: to answer to the charge of murder of the first-degree.
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  Speaker 9: Ashley Humphrey said she pulled the trigger, but she said
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  Speaker 9: she is not responsible for Ms.
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  Speaker 4: Rosso's murder.
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  Speaker 3: She says her husband was such a manipulator and was
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  Speaker 3: so controlling, he made her do it.
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  Speaker 10: Ashley was such a promising young girl. She could have
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  Speaker 10: done a lot with her life, and yet she ran
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  Speaker 10: into this brick wall of a man, Tracy Humphrey, who
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  Speaker 10: turns out to be evil, and her life just takes
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  Speaker 10: a right turn.
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  Speaker 11: Did you ask her to kill for you or did
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  Speaker 11: you let her kill for you?
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  Speaker 9: Either one.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely not. I had no idea that she had that intention.
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  Speaker 4: I've been given one hour to interview Ashley. She is
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  Speaker 4: halfway through a 25-year sentence for killing Sandra Rosso. but
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  Speaker 4: she has always maintained it was her husband, Tracy, who
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  Speaker 4: manipulated her into committing the murder. Is this what really happened?
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  Speaker 4: Or was Ashley a cold and calculating killer who knew
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  Speaker 4: exactly what she was doing? Ashley, good to meet you.
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  Speaker 5: Good to meet you too, Piers.
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  Speaker 4: Come over here. Let's talk about Sandy. The night that
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  Speaker 4: you kill her, you go to the club where she's
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  Speaker 4: working and you wait for hours. And then she comes out.
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  Speaker 4: What happens?
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  Speaker 5: I waited for her to pull into her garage and
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  Speaker 5: followed her in with the gun and shot her several times.
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  Speaker 4: What were you feeling as you shot her?
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  Speaker 5: I was thinking... If I don't do this, he's going
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  Speaker 5: to be angry. And I was thinking that I wanted
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  Speaker 5: to get it over with. And I really wasn't feeling much.
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  Speaker 4: How many times did you shoot her?
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  Speaker 5: Seven or eight. I... remember there were no more bullets
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  Speaker 5: in that chamber.
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  Speaker 4: So you're standing, shooting through the window of a car
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  Speaker 4: at a woman you've never met. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.
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  Speaker 4: And then you stare into her face for several seconds.
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  Speaker 4: Why do you do that?
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  Speaker 5: Tracy wanted me to Look into her eyes. He said
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  Speaker 5: that there was a look.
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  Speaker 4: What is that look? What are you looking for?
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  Speaker 5: There is a vacancy there. It's a horrible look.
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  Speaker 4: I'm seeing her.
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  Speaker 5: I'm seeing her right now.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 4: When you had satisfied yourself that she was dead, you
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  Speaker 4: get back in your car and you start to drive home.
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  Speaker 4: And you call Tracy to tell him. that you've been successful,
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  Speaker 4: she's dead. Tell me about that call.
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  Speaker 5: I told him it was finished. And he said he'd
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  Speaker 5: ordered pizza, or he was going to order pizza. And
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  Speaker 5: I asked him for double cheese.
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  Speaker 4: You've just pumped a random woman you don't know with
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  Speaker 4: eight bullets. And the only thought in your mind is
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  Speaker 4: how much cheese to have on your pizza. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: this is the stuff of a complete psycho. That's what
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  Speaker 4: people would be thinking of themselves.
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  Speaker 12: And I think you know in your heart, right now,
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  Speaker 12: All she did was speak the truth about a matter.
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  Speaker 4: And I think you know in your heart, right now,
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  Speaker 4: you know what type of individual Tracy is. Had he
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  Speaker 4: been abusive to you?
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  Speaker 5: If he was emotionally abusive, it was only in very
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  Speaker 5: subtle ways. By, you know, picking out my clothes and,
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  Speaker 5: you know, telling me what would look good in makeup.
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  Speaker 5: And I thought that these were and I did not
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  Speaker 5: see them as the controlling maneuvers that they were.
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  Speaker 4: Were you in love with him? I.
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  Speaker 5: thought I was in love with him. I really did.
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  Speaker 5: But it was a sort of... need... to love him.
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  Speaker 5: And I really wanted this person to save me.
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  Speaker 4: The woman who threatened to wreck this relationship was Tracy's
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  Speaker 4: former girlfriend. 37-year-old Sandra Rosso, a mother who worked two
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  Speaker 4: jobs to make a better life for her and her daughter.
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  Speaker 5: Sandy was very genuine.
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  Speaker 13: She poured her heart out and gave her heart fully
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  Speaker 13: to people that she cared about. And that was a
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  Speaker 13: very easy quality for Sandy, so it was very easy
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  Speaker 13: to get to know her and become very good friends
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  Speaker 13: with her. She was a very happy person. And then
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  Speaker 13: Tracy came in her life, and it just kind of
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  Speaker 13: went downhill after that.
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  Speaker 9: Sandy and Tracy first met at the beginning of 02
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  Speaker 9: when we opened the Club Inferno. They pretty quickly developed
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  Speaker 9: a personal relationship and a sexual relationship from that moment forward.
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  Speaker 9: They dated on and off. I would characterize Sandy and
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  Speaker 9: Tracy's relationship as volatile.
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  Speaker 4: Tracy had not long been out of prison when he
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  Speaker 4: met Sandra. He had served nearly three years for assault
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  Speaker 4: and battery. Sandra was completely unaware.
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  Speaker 13: So I got a phone call early in the morning.
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  Speaker 13: Sandy had called me frantic and hysterical, crying. And she
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  Speaker 13: was terrified. She explained to me that Tracy had basically
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  Speaker 13: verbally and physically abused her and kept her hostage in
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  Speaker 13: her apartment for I think it was three days. I
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  Speaker 13: think she was slightly fearful because pressing charges meant that
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  Speaker 13: he was going to go to prison. And he made
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  Speaker 13: it very clear to her that he was not going
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  Speaker 13: back to prison and that he would do whatever it
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  Speaker 13: took to make sure that that didn't happen.
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  Speaker 4: When did Tracy first mention Sandy to you? And did
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  Speaker 4: he tell you that he was facing this court case
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  Speaker 4: involving an alleged very serious sexual assault, possibly rape, where
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  Speaker 4: potentially he might go back to prison for 10 years?
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  Speaker 5: He did not tell me about her until he knew...
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  Speaker 5: I was enamored with him. I was living with him
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  Speaker 5: at this point. This is when he brings her up
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  Speaker 5: and just starts telling me that she's full of it
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  Speaker 5: and wants to put him in prison because she was
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  Speaker 5: mad that he broke up with her. And at this point,
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  Speaker 5: I believe everything he tells me because I'm a stupid
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  Speaker 5: 20 year old.
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  Speaker 4: What strikes me immediately having met you just for a
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  Speaker 4: few minutes is you're not stupid. I mean, you're an
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  Speaker 4: intelligent woman. And you weren't like 15, you were 20.
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  Speaker 4: Are no alarm bells ringing with you at this stage
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  Speaker 4: about this guy?
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  Speaker 5: None, unfortunately, I have to be honest. And nothing was saying,
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  Speaker 5: get away.
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  Speaker 14: So, I mean, you probably know better than we do,
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  Speaker 14: you know, how he is and that he can make
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  Speaker 14: you do things that, you know, for his benefit.
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  Speaker 10: I spoke to Ashley very briefly. We exchanged some letters,
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  Speaker 10: spoke on the phone once, and that was it. Now
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  Speaker 10: she's had years and years to contemplate it all.
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  Speaker 4: It's different.
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  Speaker 10: But at the time, you know.
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  Speaker 4: It was very raw.
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  Speaker 10: But when you look at all the circumstances and all
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  Speaker 10: the evidence in this case, you understand that Ashley Humphrey
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  Speaker 10: was Tracy Humphrey's weapon.
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  Speaker 7: Humphrey prosecutors say Todd Ashley Humphrey had to shoot and
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  Speaker 7: load a gun. He called the shots.
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  Speaker 10: I think that she was following orders.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what he did to manipulate her to
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  Speaker 2: change her entire being, but whatever he did, it worked.
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  Speaker 4: This case became a sensation in America. People wanted to
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  Speaker 4: know how a young woman with no history of violence,
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  Speaker 4: could be molded into a murderer. But what really baffles
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  Speaker 4: me is that she had the opportunity to come to
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  Speaker 4: her senses and stop this madness. Because, incredibly, she tried
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  Speaker 4: to kill Sandy once before. Maybe Ashley Humphrey wasn't quite
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  Speaker 4: the naive, stupid 20-year-old she claimed to be. You decided
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  Speaker 4: to kill Sandy? And you and Tracy discuss how you're
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  Speaker 4: going to do this and you decide you're going to
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  Speaker 4: shoot Sandy. You've been watching her movements, you knew where
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  Speaker 4: she lived, you've been following her around, haven't you?
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes I would call her work to see if she
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  Speaker 5: was there so that I could commit the crime.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, there's an awful amount of pre-planning going on here.
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  Speaker 4: It's not like this is a crime of spontaneous passion.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 4: You know, for weeks, you're stalking this woman. When you
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  Speaker 4: get to the day when you try and shoot for
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  Speaker 4: the first time, tell me exactly what happened.
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  Speaker 5: She came out of her job to her car, and
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  Speaker 5: I was waiting in a parking lot nearby with the
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  Speaker 5: rifle in the car, and I shot at her. There
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  Speaker 5: was a loud report, of course, and she, I remember
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  Speaker 5: she ducked and looked around.
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  Speaker 4: You failed to kill her because the bullet fired straight
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  Speaker 4: into the wing mirror, which deflected it away from her. Otherwise,
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  Speaker 4: she'd be dead in that moment.
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  Speaker 5: That's very true.
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  Speaker 4: You're training your sights on her like like an assassin.
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  Speaker 4: This is a cold-blooded execution of a completely innocent woman
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  Speaker 4: who's done nothing wrong. Did no part of you think,
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  Speaker 4: what the hell am I doing? No. No.
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  Speaker 5: I was numb.
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  Speaker 4: You hide the evidence, you get rid of the gun,
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  Speaker 4: you burn the car and you tell your mother what happened.
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  Speaker 5: I wanted to come clean with her about everything and
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  Speaker 5: I had just a moment of clarity where I was
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  Speaker 5: considering going to the police and telling them everything and
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  Speaker 5: then in the middle of me telling her what was
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  Speaker 5: happening he showed up looking horrible and pathetic and begging
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  Speaker 5: me to go back with him and I... I did.
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  Speaker 4: What did your mother say to you?
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  Speaker 5: She was screaming for me not to go. She was horrified.
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  Speaker 4: Less than one month later, Tracey married Ashley. Under American law,
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  Speaker 4: couples cannot be compelled to testify against each other if
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  Speaker 4: they commit a crime during their marriage.
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  Speaker 5: We applied for the marriage license on a Monday and
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  Speaker 5: we were married on a Friday. There were no exchange
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  Speaker 5: of vows or any ceremony. We went to eat that
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  Speaker 5: night at the Cheesecake Factory. That was all the fanfare
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  Speaker 5: there was.
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  Speaker 4: At what point did you and Tracy discuss another attempt
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  Speaker 4: to try and kill Sandy?
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  Speaker 5: The day after we were married, the July 5th. He,
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  Speaker 5: as soon as we woke up, he said, you know,
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  Speaker 5: you have to do this. Those were his exact words.
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  Speaker 15: Can you really make somebody do something? that it isn't
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  Speaker 15: in their personality or their moral makeup to do, that's questionable.
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  Speaker 2: Tracy had the ability to manipulate women. There were no
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  Speaker 2: other forces in Ashley's life that would have played such
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  Speaker 2: a role in her behavior change.
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  Speaker 4: Who is the first person to suggest that Sandy has
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  Speaker 4: to die?
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  Speaker 5: I suggested, what if she were not to show up
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  Speaker 5: in court? And that's where it started and it snowballed.
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  Speaker 4: Tracy Humphrey feared the prospect of going back to prison
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  Speaker 4: if Sandra Rozzo testified against him. Five weeks after Ashley's
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: failed attempt to kill Sandra, she tried again.
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  Speaker 2: She said in her depo that Tracy told her to
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  Speaker 2: follow her home and take care of business at her house.
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  Speaker 2: And that's exactly what she did. We just were in disbelief.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, how do you take this girl and completely
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  Speaker 2: flip-flop her over and do things that are just so
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  Speaker 2: downright plain evil?
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  Speaker 6: I felt that Ashley had to have been under some
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  Speaker 6: form of mind control. Honestly, I didn't know if he
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  Speaker 6: had drugged her at some point or what, but she
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  Speaker 6: thought he loved her, and she felt that he was
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  Speaker 6: going to give her the stability and the love that
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  Speaker 6: she had never had as long as she went along
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  Speaker 6: with this and did this.
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  Speaker 5: I think at this point I was so... brainwashed, and
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  Speaker 5: I really hate that term, but I just want to
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  Speaker 5: speak out for the fact that it's possible.
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  Speaker 4: It's a pretty extraordinary thing, isn't it? You're a 20-year-old woman,
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  Speaker 4: and you're sitting there thinking, the only way that I
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  Speaker 4: can stop this situation deteriorating is to kill this woman
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  Speaker 4: who I don't even know.
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  Speaker 5: It's insane. Tracy was extremely manipulative and he was so
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  Speaker 5: good at talking people into doing things that they wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: normally do. And I think that he.
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  Speaker 4: But if I can just jump in there, I mean... Sure.
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  Speaker 4: Of course you can paint a picture that he's the controlling, manipulative,
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  Speaker 4: devious person behind all this. But by your own admission,
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  Speaker 4: just now.
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  Speaker 4: It's your idea. The manipulative argument doesn't really cut much
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  Speaker 4: ice here, does it? I mean, this is your idea,
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  Speaker 4: your plan. You're the first person who says we should
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  Speaker 4: kill her, and you're the one carrying through with it.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think... It was his idea, but the words
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  Speaker 5: just came out of my mouth. They were.
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  Speaker 4: Come on, Ashley. Come on. I'm not stupid. You know,
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  Speaker 4: you're getting some mental raise from him saying you must
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  Speaker 4: commit murder.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 4: You had the idea. You suggested it to him. It's
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  Speaker 4: from you. It's not good enough to say it's what
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  Speaker 4: he was thinking. He hasn't said it.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know why I let him into my head
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  Speaker 5: the way that I did. and let him decide how
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  Speaker 5: I should dress and how I should do my makeup
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  Speaker 5: and where I should work and when I should sleep
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  Speaker 5: and what I should eat. But he.
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  Speaker 4: But you've already said to me that when he was
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: suggesting all those things to you, you didn't see it
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: as being nasty or unpleasant or controlling. You thought it
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: was quite sweet. I don't think that can now be
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: recategorized after the event. It's not how you said it
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  Speaker 4: was earlier.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it didn't feel... like that at the time, but no,
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  Speaker 5: do you think that he wasn't doing those things for
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  Speaker 5: an ultimate end?
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  Speaker 4: I think that there's an argument that that could be
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  Speaker 4: the case and there's an equal argument that you might
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  Speaker 4: be recategorizing it to suit your story. That what was
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  Speaker 4: perfectly harmless and just a guy being nice to you
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  Speaker 4: is now an evil Svengali figure, you know, trying to
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  Speaker 4: brainwash you into murder. That only really works if the
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  Speaker 4: murder's his idea.
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  Speaker 5: It was his idea.
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  Speaker 4: Just to clarify, Tracy never said to you, you have
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: got to kill Sandy or I have got to kill Sandy.
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  Speaker 4: She has got to be dead. He never said that.
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  Speaker 4: You were the first to say it, weren't you?
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  Speaker 5: I was the first to say it.
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  Speaker 6: She shot her eight times. I just could never understand how,
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  Speaker 6: after that first bullet struck this woman, how she did
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  Speaker 6: not snap back into reality and kept pulling the trigger.
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  Speaker 6: You're seeing this woman bleeding. She's screaming in pain, in terror.
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  Speaker 6: How do you fire seven additional shots after you actually
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  Speaker 6: visually see what you did with that first bullet? No
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  Speaker 6: matter what kind of mind control you're in, how can
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: you not snap back into reality after that first bullet
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  Speaker 6: struck this person? Sit over there.
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  Speaker 15: When I look at the videos, she is not going
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  Speaker 15: to give them an inch. She's defiant. She knows her rights.
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  Speaker 15: She's unemotional.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: You'll have to answer to the charge of murder in
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: the first degree.
• 25:42
  Speaker 13: Get my attorney.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: What do you mean, get him? I mean, bring him here.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: For what reason?
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: Because I'm not speaking.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: I didn't do this.
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: I'm not speaking without my attorney in mind.
• 25:58
  Speaker 15: And it was very surprising to me that this was
• 26:00
  Speaker 15: the first time she'd ever been in that experience. Because
• 26:04
  Speaker 15: even first-time arrest on male defendants, they're going to kind
• 26:09
  Speaker 15: of plead, they're going to get upset, they're going to
• 26:12
  Speaker 15: protest their innocence.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Steely.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: I want to speak to a lawyer.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: That was it.
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: I wanted to ask if you would give us consent
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: to search your house.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: You're saying no? Okay. And will you give us DNA?
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: Get me my attorney.
• 26:31
  Speaker 15: The concept of brainwashing and what's often called identification with
• 26:36
  Speaker 15: the aggressor or the Stockholm syndrome, that has a kind
• 26:41
  Speaker 15: of checkered history in social psychology.
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: You know, it's very, very controversial.
• 26:46
  Speaker 15: Can you really make somebody do something that it isn't
• 26:51
  Speaker 15: in their personality or their moral makeup to do, that's questionable.
• 26:56
  Speaker 16: What puzzles me the most about this whole thing right
• 27:00
  Speaker 16: here was if someone told me that I was under
• 27:03
  Speaker 16: arrest for a homicide that I didn't commit, I wouldn't
• 27:07
  Speaker 16: be sitting there.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: As calm as you are.
• 27:21
  Speaker 9: I know that he has a terrible history, and maybe
• 27:23
  Speaker 9: he's a terrible person. I don't know. But Tracy explained
• 27:27
  Speaker 9: to me that Ashley was very jealous, very insecure, did
• 27:32
  Speaker 9: this on her own, came home and told him about it,
• 27:35
  Speaker 9: and he panicked. And he was like, no, no, no, no, no.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: What the F did you do?
• 27:41
  Speaker 9: I was focused on him from day one to get
• 27:44
  Speaker 9: him and to alleviate Ashley, his wife, from the responsibility
• 27:49
  Speaker 9: of Being a premeditated murderer, she is.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: That's not disputable. Ashley was not initially a suspect in
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: the murder of Sandra Rosso. her husband, Tracy Humphrey, was.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: He desperately needed an alibi and persuaded a friend to
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: lie to the police. He tells you that this girl
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: that he's been accused of battering and he's facing this
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: court case has been murdered.
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: In that moment, do you have any immediate suspicion he
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: may have been involved?
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: No.
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: I never saw anything remotely violent in him before.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: When did he first say to you, I want you
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: to be the alibi?
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: Probably about 30 minutes after I got there, he said,
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: I feel backed into a corner and I don't know
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: what I'm going to have to do if you don't
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: go along with this.
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: I felt that.
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: As a threat, but I still was struggling with the
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: fact that this is my friend.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: Did you see Ashley after the murder?
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: Yes, the same night.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: In the gym?
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: And how was she?
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: She seemed very... Tense. She said she was sick, but
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: she seemed very tense, very stressed. And oddly enough, I
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: don't know if he just decided spur of the moment
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: that I was going to be his alibi, but she
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: didn't seem to know anything about it until she walked
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: into the room. He said, isn't it nice that she's
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: going to be our alibi?
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: What happened next?
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: That's when he started really showing... the kind of person
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: he was. They both moved into my house. He said
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: it was because her stepfather was threatening her. He kept
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: an eye on everything I did, where I went, anybody
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: I talked to. I would see him sitting on my
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: couch if I would get up in the middle of
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: the night just staring at my door.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's very intimidating. Oh, it was terrifying. Toby
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: told the police she had been with the couple that
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: night at Tracy's apartment. But their story was about to unravel.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Tracy's cell phone was hitting off of the tower near
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: where he was living. Ashley's cell phone was hitting off
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: of a tower very close within a block or so
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: of where the homicide occurred in Pinellas Park.
• 30:37
  Speaker 8: That changed the direction of the investigation from Tracy Humphrey
• 30:42
  Speaker 8: being the only person that would have committed this homicide
• 30:47
  Speaker 8: to at least Ashley being involved.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: Detectives began to suspect that Ashley was the killer. Had
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: she acted on her own or planned the murder with Tracy?
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: They needed more evidence. Now you've lied to the police. Yes.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: And then it gets very serious because the penalty for
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: perjury and for lying is very serious. When you realised
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: that they were able to prove that this alibi couldn't
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: be true, your heart must have sunk.
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, I had a real problem with that.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: Did you believe it?
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: When they told me the facts, I had to. I
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: couldn't live in denial any longer.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: The police wire you up and say, right, we want
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: you to recall Biscoe. How long were you acting as
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: an informant?
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: I believe three months.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: Do you know how many scariest three months of your life?
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: Oh, yes.
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: We would.
• 31:53
  Speaker 8: give her a topic to bring up, just to see
• 31:57
  Speaker 8: what their reaction was.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: I was sitting in a surveillance van, listening into the
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: live feed from the wire that Toby was wearing. And
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: I got to tell you, at times, I was on
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: pins and needles. You could hear him doing something to her,
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: and you could hear her say, you know, why are
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: you touching me like that? And we all kind of
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: looked at each other that He's feeling her for a
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: wire because he's suspicious. I remember thinking to myself, this
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: is insane.
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: You were served?
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: What? A fascinating, gripping piece of footage of the friend
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: telling them both, the police know your phone was at
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: the crime scene.
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: Cell phone records indicated that she was in Canals County at.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: The time of the killing. And you could see them
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: both falling apart, really. That was the one thing that
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: I hope wasn't true. Because they realize that the great
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: cover-up has been exposed.
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: That reaction was priceless because that was the one thing
• 33:30
  Speaker 8: they didn't want us to find out. And when they
• 33:32
  Speaker 8: knew that we knew where the phones were, that really
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: hit them both hard.
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: I mean, can they say that I was at the
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: scene like that? No.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: If they put her at the scene, that's it. And
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: that was it. The police were now convinced the couple
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: were in it together. Was it a big relief when
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: they finally got arrested?
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: At that point, that was one of the best days
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: of my life.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: Obviously, your feelings have changed about Tracy, but they've also,
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: I'd imagine, dramatically changed about Ashley.
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: Surprisingly, I still felt a love towards her.
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: When I went to see Ashley in prison, she said
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: to me, that the idea to kill the victim was hers.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: Oh my God.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Right now, you're the only one arrested for the homicide.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: You by your lonesome. And you know why?
• 34:47
  Speaker 8: Because that's exactly the way Tracy wanted it from the beginning.
• 34:53
  Speaker 16: That's why you were the one who looked Sandra's.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: Information on the computer. The police charge you with first-degree murder,
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: but they charge Tracy with a lesser charge. You very
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: quickly turn on him, and your plan then is, look,
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: this guy, it's all down to him. He's the evil mastermind.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: I'm this poor, innocent young woman caught up in his
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: evil plan.
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: This was three months after I was arrested. My attorney
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: started revealing to me that who he made himself out
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: to be was just a total facade.
• 35:38
  Speaker 11: He was a master manipulator, particularly of women, and an
• 35:42
  Speaker 11: abuser of women, of course. And she was a particularly
• 35:46
  Speaker 11: vulnerable young lady. When I showed her the information that
• 35:52
  Speaker 11: the state had given us and the discovery, and kind
• 35:55
  Speaker 11: of made her realize that she'd been played. And so
• 36:00
  Speaker 11: she was pretty determined on testifying against him and getting
• 36:05
  Speaker 11: what she could out of this ugly scene.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: Ashley struck a deal with prosecutors. To avoid a life sentence,
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: she volunteered to testify against her husband about the murder.
• 36:22
  Speaker 11: Police say she killed a woman to keep her husband
• 36:24
  Speaker 11: out of jail, but now the husband is on trial
• 36:27
  Speaker 11: for murder.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: 39-year-old Timothy Humphrey faces the death penalty.
• 36:31
  Speaker 11: Did you ask her to kill for you, or did
• 36:34
  Speaker 11: you let her kill for you?
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: Either one. Absolutely not. I had no idea that she
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: had that intention.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Please have a seat in the witness chair.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: If you would watch your step.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: You had discarded the items.
• 36:46
  Speaker 11: Yes.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: Whose idea was it to discard the items?
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: It was his.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: He told me to.
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: I loved him very much and I did not want
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: to lose him. So you were willing to kill another
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: human being because you loved him?
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: It took the jurors less than three hours to find
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: him guilty of murder.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: For masterminding the death of a former female friend who
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: had accused him of rape.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: As a result of your plea deal with the police,
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: you've got 25 years, not life, and you'll be out
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: in 12 years. and you'll still be a relatively young woman.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: But Tracy got life without parole and is never coming out.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: And there will be people thinking, well, hang on a second.
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: Why is she getting out when the guy who didn't
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: have the idea and didn't pull the trigger is in
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: jail for the rest of his life?
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: Well, let me say that if I was doing life, I.
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: Would feel I deserved it. And that I feel very
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: fortunate not to be doing life. But I believe that
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: if he was to get out, he would continue to
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: be the same violent manipulator that he was when I
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: met him.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: Right, but how do we know that you're not gonna
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: be the same killer?
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: That's harsh. There is no hatred or violence in me.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: But you didn't hate Sandy.
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: You're right.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: You didn't even know Sandy. You didn't hate her. You
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: had no emotion to her at all. You were just
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: a cold-blooded assassin of a woman you had never met.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: Could it be, Ashley, that you just chucked him under
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: the bus to save your own skin?
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: Well... I certainly didn't save myself with a 25-year sentence.
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: I'm still spending a quarter of a century. And.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: But you'll be out before you're 50. You could have
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: a chance to rebuild your life. And there will be
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: people listening to all this thinking, doesn't seem fair somehow.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: What are your feelings towards Tracy now? Have you had
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: any contact with him in 13 years? Do you want
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: to have any contact with him again?
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: No. Every time I think of him, I feel like
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: I'm going to.
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: Be sick.
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: I am trying to divorce him still. and perhaps soon
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: I will have to confront him on a telephonic hearing,
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: and that just makes me shake thinking about it. I
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: don't want to hear his voice. It fills me with dread.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: See, here's the thing, actually. Having listened to the whole story,
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: I suppose I can't decide here whether I believe you
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: or not because it's so hard to think that somebody
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: who's no fool could be so in the thrall of
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: this guy that she would commit cold-blooded murder, not just
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: on a spur of a moment, but planned for weeks.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: And that takes you from being a criminal of passion
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: to a really evil person planning a very evil act
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: and carrying it out. Do you accept that?
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: I accept what I did was.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: Evil.
• 40:57
  Speaker 8: I did not like the deal one bit. I mean,
• 40:59
  Speaker 8: she's the one that went ahead and pumped eight bullets
• 41:02
  Speaker 8: into this lady.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: She admitted to me she first had the idea to
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: commit murder.
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: If I had my wish, she'd spend the rest of
• 41:11
  Speaker 8: her life in prison.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: You had no emotion towards Sandy when you murdered her.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: What are your feelings about her now, 13 years on?
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: I think about her daughter a lot. I took her
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: mother away from her.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: I'm sure Sandy's family probably want to see her fry.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: So am I satisfied with the sentence? 25 years is
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: a long time. It's a very long time.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: If Sandy's daughter is watching this program, What would you
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: say to her?
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: There's nothing I can say that will make it better.
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: But I'm so sorry you don't know your mother. And
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: that it is because of me.
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: She showed remorse.
• 42:20
  Speaker 10: She never said, I didn't do it.
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 42:25
  Speaker 10: That's very rare.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: When you have a.
• 42:26
  Speaker 10: Person admitting to a crime like this.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: That's very rare.
• 42:30
  Speaker 10: Most murderers, I didn't do it.
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: Every July, I get really messed up psychologically.
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: On the anniversary of what happened.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: Whether I think about it or not, sometimes I'm like,
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: what is wrong with me? Why am I so messed up?
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: And then it occurs to me, I'm like, oh, it's July.
• 42:57
  Speaker 13: I certainly could relate to her in being in love,
• 43:02
  Speaker 13: wanting to believe the things that the person that you
• 43:05
  Speaker 13: love is telling you. But obviously killing another human being
• 43:10
  Speaker 13: and taking a life is not a line you should
• 43:12
  Speaker 13: be crossing. Thank you.
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: Thank you.