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Perp Leaves His Bloody Jeans by Young Mom's Body, Wears Her Leotards to Escape · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever stayed in a hotel and the cleaners
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  Speaker 2: come while you're still in there and they knock on
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  Speaker 2: the door or just come in, and then they leave
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  Speaker 2: and wait for you to get out. Let me tell
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  Speaker 2: you what happened at the Soho fifty four hotel.
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  Speaker 3: The cleaners go in the room.
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  Speaker 2: There's a do not disturb sign on the door, but
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  Speaker 2: it's been there for a while, So the maid goes
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  Speaker 2: in and she sees a lady sleeping, or so she thinks.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 2: being with us here at Crime Stories and on Serious
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  Speaker 2: XM one eleven. Take a listen to our friend Dave
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  Speaker 2: Mack at Crime Online.
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  Speaker 4: At the Soho fifty four hotel, a hotel maid goes
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  Speaker 4: into room eleven oh nine, even though there is a
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  Speaker 4: do not disturb sign hanging on the door. The maid
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  Speaker 4: walks in and sees what she thinks is a person
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  Speaker 4: asleep under a blanket. She quickly quietly backs out of
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  Speaker 4: the room and reports to the manager what she has seen,
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  Speaker 4: a woman asleep under a blanket.
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  Speaker 2: All of you legal legals know full well what's coming next.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me in All Star Panelty makes sense of what
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  Speaker 2: we know right now. But first I want to go
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  Speaker 2: to investigative reporter for dailymail dot com Joe Hutchinson joining
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  Speaker 2: us out of this jurisdiction in New York.
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  Speaker 3: Joe, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: So it's my understanding that about the time the first
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  Speaker 2: maid goes into room eleven o nine, the staff, the
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  Speaker 2: hotel staff of Soho twenty four in the lobby sees
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  Speaker 2: something that they believed to be very unusual. What did
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  Speaker 2: they observe In the lobby of SOHO fifty four?
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  Speaker 5: Hotel staff observed a man wearing leggings, women's leggings walking
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  Speaker 5: through the hotel lobby exiting the building.
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  Speaker 2: And that alone, a man wearing leggings would not pique
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  Speaker 2: my interest at all. But what was unusual about this
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  Speaker 2: man wearing leggings.
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  Speaker 5: I think the CCTV shoode you can Kenny see it.
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  Speaker 5: So it's very strange, it's not it's very outsetting off them.
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  Speaker 5: And then also I'm aware that hotel staff phoned men's
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  Speaker 5: trousers in the room.
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  Speaker 3: Joe Hutchinson joining us from dailymil dot com.
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  Speaker 2: You're absolutely correct. There is something very off putting about that.
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  Speaker 2: Look at it, shell nutt you're not just a high
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  Speaker 2: profile lawyer joining us.
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  Speaker 3: From the shell Nut firm.
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  Speaker 2: You are twenty seven years on Metro major case.
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  Speaker 3: There's something very wrong with that.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just say they're way too tight and too many
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  Speaker 2: crevices on this guy.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't match.
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  Speaker 2: He's dressed like it's got on a windbreaker and a
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  Speaker 2: clue neck sweater. He's wearing a hat, shoes, but then
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  Speaker 2: he's wearing these incredibly thin, ill fitting, super tight tights,
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  Speaker 2: almost see throwable tights. It doesn't fit together. Any trained
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  Speaker 2: observer would think, okay, that's weird.
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  Speaker 3: Shell Nut.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: So you know this is something that absolutely catch your attention.
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  Speaker 7: It's something where you would have to wonder, is this
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  Speaker 7: person you know mentally all there is this person under
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  Speaker 7: the influence of some type of alcohol or drugs. You know,
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  Speaker 7: what will cause this person to dress like this? And
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  Speaker 7: it's certainly going to be something that would assertation because
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  Speaker 7: it is outside the normal of what you would see.
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  Speaker 2: Tom Smith joining me former NYPD detective now co hosts
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  Speaker 2: gold Shields podcast. Tom the guy may look odd in
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  Speaker 2: the let me just say, ill fitting ladies ties, but
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  Speaker 2: he's acting perfectly normally, So it's just a fashion felony
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  Speaker 2: at this juncture. He's walking across the lobby in an
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  Speaker 2: odd get up, but he's acting normally.
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  Speaker 8: Well, that's exactly right.
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  Speaker 6: And he's in New York.
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  Speaker 8: And through my thirty years in the NYPD, I've seen
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  Speaker 8: some wild get ups walking around the streets in New York.
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  Speaker 8: And if you're doing it in front of everyone and
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  Speaker 8: acting normal and just walking, you're going to fit in.
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  Speaker 8: You're going to look like everybody else, especially if he
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  Speaker 8: doesn't do anything else to bring attention to himself, but
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  Speaker 8: just walking. You know, he's taking advantage of what New
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  Speaker 8: York City has made up of, well.
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  Speaker 2: Truer words never spoken. I raised the twins there for
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  Speaker 2: several years before we moved, and this would have been,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a day in the park with the guy dressed
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  Speaker 2: oddly but acting normally.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So this is what I know. Back to Joe.
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  Speaker 2: Hutchinson, investigative reporter, dailymail dot com. They notice him walking by,
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  Speaker 2: nobody thinks anything of it. Then either the same maid
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  Speaker 2: or another maid goes back to room eleven oh nine.
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  Speaker 3: What happens?
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  Speaker 5: So who in the room. They go into the room
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  Speaker 5: and they find this woman on the floor covering on
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  Speaker 5: a blanket, and they also find a broken iron, and
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  Speaker 5: we believe that the ions can be bloodied as well.
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  Speaker 5: And then obviously police are called to the scene.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, I believe, sir, you are missing a very critical clue. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: they see the sleeping woman and of course I'm using
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  Speaker 2: air quotes still asleep under a blanket, which I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: circle back to Tom Smith and Karen Stark and doctor
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  Speaker 2: Hamward Robin about staging a crime scene. They find the
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  Speaker 2: woman asleep under a blanket. They find, correctly is Joe
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  Speaker 2: Hutchinson described a broken iron, not a curling iron, an
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  Speaker 2: iron that you iron closed, used to iron closed, a
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  Speaker 2: broken iron with blood on it. And they find one
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  Speaker 2: more thing next to the body, Joe Hutchinson.
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  Speaker 5: What man'sses that also bloodsteins?
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  Speaker 2: Very important critical fact. Man's trousers covered in blood. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong, Tom Smith. But two plus
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  Speaker 2: two still.
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  Speaker 3: Equals four, right, Yes it does.
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  Speaker 2: So they've got the surveillance video of a I'm walking
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  Speaker 2: out and kind of sheer women's tides and the rest
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  Speaker 2: is dressed like a regular guy.
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  Speaker 3: Then they find a.
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  Speaker 2: Sleeping lady upstairs next to an iron and man's pants
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  Speaker 2: covered in blood, and could you tell me the condition
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  Speaker 2: Joe Hutchinson of the sleeping woman.
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  Speaker 5: She was found dead one post stroll into the head.
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  Speaker 5: They've found pieces of plastic embedded in a scupe as well.
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  Speaker 3: Pieces of plastic. Interesting.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder if that's plastic from the iron itself or
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  Speaker 2: some other form of plastic.
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  Speaker 3: Tom hutcheson.
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  Speaker 2: Any inside information you could give me about the plastic
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  Speaker 2: found embedded in the victim's head right over.
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  Speaker 5: Not exactly one hundred percent sure where the plastic gets
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  Speaker 5: came from, but now broken iron. Maybe there's been some
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  Speaker 5: dislodged pikies left there were not sure yet not being
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  Speaker 5: made clear.
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  Speaker 2: The reason I'm asking is I want to go to
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  Speaker 2: dot com. Howard Robin joining us from La Jolla, California,
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  Speaker 2: San Diego, forensic pathologist at LJ Pathology Consultants. Doctor Robin,
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  Speaker 2: thank you so much for being with us. This is
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  Speaker 2: taking me back to my very first homicide I ever
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  Speaker 2: tried in front of a jury.
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  Speaker 3: And when I opened the.
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  Speaker 2: File, the first thing I saw, and it shouldn't have
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  Speaker 2: been there for anyone to see that opened the file
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  Speaker 2: and could look over my shoulder was a polar autopsy photo,
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  Speaker 2: and I remember as I prepped for the trial, going
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  Speaker 2: to the morgue and saying, what are these?
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  Speaker 3: I got on the inside of.
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  Speaker 2: Her mouth, on her lips, and it was plastic because
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  Speaker 2: she had been asphyxiated with one of those clear laundry bags.
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  Speaker 3: And as she tried to breathe, she.
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  Speaker 2: Inhaled the plastic bag so ferociously trying to live that
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  Speaker 2: the plastic stuck to her mouth and the inside of
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  Speaker 2: her nostrils.
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  Speaker 3: Plastic on the victim's mouth.
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  Speaker 2: Now we hear doctor Howard Robin about a broken iron
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  Speaker 2: with blood on it and the woman hit so hard
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  Speaker 2: in the head that there are pieces of plastic embedded
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  Speaker 2: in her skin and scalp.
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  Speaker 3: What's your opinion, doctor, She was.
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  Speaker 6: Hit with an iron that has plastic mulling on the outside,
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  Speaker 6: and it was her head was struck with such force
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  Speaker 6: that the plastic broke off and embedded in her skull,
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  Speaker 6: as described in the news reports.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to figure out how much force would
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  Speaker 2: be required to actually break the iron.
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  Speaker 3: On this woman's head.
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  Speaker 6: Only be able to say significant force. And it's not
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  Speaker 6: uncommon for homicides to the secondary to blunt force trauma
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  Speaker 6: to the head, and that it could either be from
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  Speaker 6: an object such as an iron or blunt force trauma
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  Speaker 6: to the head can occur with fists or kicking, or
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  Speaker 6: an individual throne to the floor or against the wall.
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  Speaker 6: But in this particular case, you have the object, the iron.
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  Speaker 6: The iron has blood on it, and in all likelihood
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  Speaker 6: that was the object that caused the blunt force trauma
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  Speaker 6: to the head and led to the bleeding, and the
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  Speaker 6: bleeding led to blood on the trousers of the perpetrator.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Karen Star is joining me in addition to
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  Speaker 2: our other All Star panel guests, renowned TV and radio
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  Speaker 2: trauma expert psychologists consultant at Karenstark dot com. That's Karen
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  Speaker 2: with a sea, Karen.
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  Speaker 3: The rage that.
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  Speaker 2: Must have accompanied this attack to be so angry and
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  Speaker 2: so full of hate that you actually break an iron
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  Speaker 2: on an unarmed woman's head.
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  Speaker 9: Without a doubt. Nancy, this is such a disorganized guy
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  Speaker 9: in pulsis. You can just tell them because there's a
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  Speaker 9: lot about the scene that doesn't make sense. He bothers
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  Speaker 9: to put on these types so he can walk around
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  Speaker 9: in New York City and not be seen with bloody pants,
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  Speaker 9: but that's evidence. And then he puts a cover over
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  Speaker 9: the body, and that would lead me to believe that
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  Speaker 9: he wants somebody to enter the room and think that
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  Speaker 9: there's just a person sleeping there. And then this rage,
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  Speaker 9: this horrible rage that's coming out and killing the person,
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  Speaker 9: which leads you to believe that this is not the
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  Speaker 9: first time he's done something like this. But it's so
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  Speaker 9: impulsive and disorganized, it's pretty unusual, you know what.
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  Speaker 2: It's reminding me of Karen Stark. And you were with
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  Speaker 2: me when this happened. You know, my longtime friend and colleague.
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  Speaker 2: Even though he's a defense attorney, he's a renowned defense
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  Speaker 2: attorney in the California jurisdiction.
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  Speaker 3: Daniel Horowitz, I do, yes.
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  Speaker 2: I was out in California and you were recovering it
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  Speaker 2: for me with me here in New York when Scott
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  Speaker 2: Peterson went to trial, and I had dinner with Daniel
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  Speaker 2: and his wife, Pam. The next day or a few
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  Speaker 2: days later, I got a call from Daniel Horowitz in
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  Speaker 2: police custody. His wife had been brutally murdered. Well, of course,
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  Speaker 2: I need Daniel Harwitz had nothing to do with it.
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  Speaker 2: It was a very bloody crime scene, and I was
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  Speaker 2: talking to him privately. I was at work at hl N,
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  Speaker 2: and I left the makeup room and was talking to
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  Speaker 2: him on the cell phone and I said, well, Daniel,
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  Speaker 2: just tell me anything you can tell me about the scene.
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  Speaker 2: Was anything taken? I've heard no? And he went, just
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  Speaker 2: one thing, my blue jeans. Daniel Horwitz is very thin.
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  Speaker 2: He's about five seven or eight. And I remember I
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  Speaker 2: felt a cold chill go down me because I thought,
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  Speaker 2: why would the killer take nothing except your genes? Were
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  Speaker 2: you wearing your jens and you were you wearing something
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  Speaker 2: else and changed into your genes because.
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  Speaker 3: Your clothes were bloody.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, don't tell anybody those jeans are missing.
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  Speaker 3: For Pete's sake. Our crops are gonna think you did it.
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  Speaker 2: And change from the bloody clothes into the clean jeans,
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  Speaker 2: and I I just faild to horrible heaviness. Why would
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  Speaker 2: someone take the jens well? As it turned out, of course,
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  Speaker 2: Daniel Horowitz, who was in deep, deep grief so in
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  Speaker 2: love with his wife, We find out that the purp,
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  Speaker 2: while he couldn't really squeeze into the genes that well,
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  Speaker 2: was a very thin teen that lived in the neighborhood,
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  Speaker 2: and because of a screw up in the mail, Daniel's wife,
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  Speaker 2: Pam Vitale, had gotten info in the mail about hydroponic
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  Speaker 2: pot farming, and that's what he, the defendant, was doing,
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  Speaker 2: and he had to murder her because he thought she
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  Speaker 2: was onto it.
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  Speaker 3: See what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: My point is he left the scene in Daniel's blue
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  Speaker 2: jeans because his clothes were so covered in blood. Do
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  Speaker 2: you see what I'm saying, Karen Stark? Someone that is
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  Speaker 2: so cold and calculated they know they've got to stage
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  Speaker 2: the scene and change their clothes. Ron and hell DYLASKI
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  Speaker 2: just f y, I go ahead.
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  Speaker 9: That he did this in the scene with Daniel Harwitz.
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  Speaker 9: This kid did it just so that he wouldn't be discovered,
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  Speaker 9: that he wouldn't he was willing to kill someone, actually
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  Speaker 9: take a life, so he wouldn't be discovered by the
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  Speaker 9: police that he was doing this with the farming. And
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  Speaker 9: it's just it's somebody who has so much.
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  Speaker 2: Read rage yes, rage, yes, but angry like a fox,
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  Speaker 2: also wildly and cunning at the same time as a
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  Speaker 2: blinding rage because he thought to stay he's just seeing,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, shall not staging the scene. It could be
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  Speaker 2: making a scene look as if the victim had committed suicide,
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  Speaker 2: wiping the gun and putting it into victim's hands. It
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  Speaker 2: could be covering the body to make it look like
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  Speaker 2: she's sleeping, so.
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  Speaker 3: There would be a delay in catching the perp.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, no, yes, I agree one hundred percent. You know,
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  Speaker 7: normally when someone stages a scene, okay, it is for
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  Speaker 7: one of a couple of purposes. It's to throw off investigators,
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  Speaker 7: whether it's in the initial investigation, or to give time
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  Speaker 7: to escape. It can be for some type of perversion
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  Speaker 7: that they have. It can be to shock the investigators,
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  Speaker 7: to get some type of continued enjoyment out of this
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  Speaker 7: scene because the investigators or the people finding the victim
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  Speaker 7: are so shocked by it. But yes, I agree that
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  Speaker 7: staging the scene for this guy to have more time
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  Speaker 7: to get away could be one. But there could be
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  Speaker 7: several reasons also that he staged the scene as well,
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  Speaker 7: such as such as such as getting some type of
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  Speaker 7: sexual perversion out of this, such as trying to get
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  Speaker 7: a reaction out of the investigators who were to find
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  Speaker 7: or look at this body. So it could be it
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  Speaker 7: certainly could be, and likely was that he was buying
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  Speaker 7: some time to get away, but it also could be
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  Speaker 7: that he's getting some type of pleasure out of this
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  Speaker 7: after he's already left.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, sometimes I think you and I have
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  Speaker 2: been hanging around criminals too long if you think somebody's
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  Speaker 2: getting off on beating a woman dead with an iron
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  Speaker 2: and then wearing her leggings. But I'm not saying that
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  Speaker 2: you're internally wrong. The story doesn't end there. Now, Remember
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  Speaker 2: this is in New York City. Now, thank Arizona. Listen
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  Speaker 2: to our friend Dave Mack.
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  Speaker 3: At crime Online.
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  Speaker 4: A man wearing women's leggings is seen walking through the
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  Speaker 4: lobby of the hotel as he exits onto the streets
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  Speaker 4: of Manhattan, purchasing a plane ticket from New York to Arizona.
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  Speaker 4: Rad Almansorry is in Phoenix, Arizona, when he stabs a
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  Speaker 4: woman during a failed carjacking attempt on February seventeenth. The
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  Speaker 4: next day, February eighteenth, around eight thirty eight, in surprise Arizona,
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  Speaker 4: Almonsory attacks a McDonald's employee in a bathroom stall in
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  Speaker 4: an attempted rape, but she screams, so he stabs her
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  Speaker 4: and flees the scene on foot. Police arrive and the
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  Speaker 4: description of Almonsori has put out over police radios. In minutes,
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  Speaker 4: a man matching his description steals a car Scott Stale
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  Speaker 4: police see the stolen vehicle with Almonsori behind the wheel
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  Speaker 4: and pull him over. Almonsuri has taken into custody. Read
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  Speaker 4: his Miranda rights.
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  Speaker 2: Joe Hutchinson joining us from dailymail dot com. Isn't it
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  Speaker 2: true that as soon as this mother's body is found
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  Speaker 2: under a blanket in Soho fifty four in Manhattan, police
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  Speaker 2: try to track the suspect's movements through the victim's credit
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  Speaker 2: cards and her Metro card.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Police informed those that part of the investigation was
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  Speaker 5: treason has credit card usage which has been used through
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  Speaker 5: the metal system. And after four days he puck just
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  Speaker 5: the plane ticket to Arizona.
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  Speaker 3: And so the.
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  Speaker 2: Guy is so cold, he brutalizes the woman. I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: he raped her. Uh, then brutalized her, leaves her dad
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  Speaker 2: wears her clothes, then he uses her metro card and
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  Speaker 2: credit card.
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  Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: To Thomas Smith, former NYPD detective, host of gold Shields podcast,
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  Speaker 2: which is awesome by the way, Thomas Smith explain to
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  Speaker 2: everybody that doesn't have to take the subway every day.
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  Speaker 3: What is a metro card.
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  Speaker 8: A metro card is basically a credit card for the subway.
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  Speaker 8: It's you just swipe it. You have a certain amount
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  Speaker 8: on your card that you can up, you know, by month,
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  Speaker 8: and it's a simple swipe and you go through the
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  Speaker 8: turnstile to get on whatever trade you want.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, if you live there, you got to
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  Speaker 2: know how to use a subway. My twins, David I,
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  Speaker 2: all use a subway because you can either use a
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  Speaker 2: subway or you can take a cab or a bus
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  Speaker 2: that will take you an hour to get across town.
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  Speaker 2: You might hoof it and get there faster than cab,
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  Speaker 2: but the way to go as a subway. So how
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  Speaker 2: do they do it? Tom Smith, you're the former NYPD detective.
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  Speaker 2: She the victim must have purchased the metro card with
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  Speaker 2: a credit card because they can then trace it back
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  Speaker 2: to her, or the perp could have used her credit
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  Speaker 2: card to buy a Metro card.
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  Speaker 8: That's correct. That's a big part of the investigation, which
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  Speaker 8: we'll get further into it. But the stealing and using
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  Speaker 8: of the credit card is going to be a big
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  Speaker 8: factor in this because then it ties them to the scene.
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  Speaker 8: First of all, then it also gets him away from
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  Speaker 8: the scene, and you know that is a big factor
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  Speaker 8: in this investigation because they can back from the scene
• 21:01
  Speaker 8: and then wherever he's going to end up. And the
• 21:03
  Speaker 8: purchasing of the airline ticket is his escaping method. So
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: all of that is going to come into play when
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: you start backtracking on the case to put him at
• 21:15
  Speaker 8: the scene.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: So who is this woman? In order to solve a murder?
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: And I've tried cases where I did not know the
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: identity of the victim.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Very hard to do.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: But at the same time all of this is happening,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: the son of the victim is desperately trying to find
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: his mother. Take a listen to Sydney Sumner Crime Online.
• 21:41
  Speaker 10: Denise Olius Rncibia has not been in touch with her
• 21:44
  Speaker 10: son and he is very worried something has happened, as
• 21:47
  Speaker 10: her son reports her missing in Queen's where she lives.
• 21:50
  Speaker 10: The front desk at the Soho fifty four hotel on
• 21:52
  Speaker 10: Watt Street is being asked to perform a wellness check
• 21:55
  Speaker 10: on one of their guests. Despite a do not disturb
• 21:58
  Speaker 10: sign on the door. A hotel employee entered the room
• 22:00
  Speaker 10: and saw the thirty eight year old Olius or Incebia
• 22:03
  Speaker 10: lying covered with a blanket. She looked like she was resting,
• 22:06
  Speaker 10: so the employee quickly backs out of the room and
• 22:08
  Speaker 10: reports to the front desk that the guest is sleeping and.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: More from Nicole parton Crime Online.
• 22:14
  Speaker 11: Police following up on a missing person report followed by
• 22:17
  Speaker 11: her son, end up at the Soho fifty four hotel
• 22:20
  Speaker 11: in Manhattan. It is around ten thirty am when a
• 22:24
  Speaker 11: maid enters the room and realizes that Denise oleas Ornsebia
• 22:29
  Speaker 11: is not sleeping under the blanket. The blanket has been
• 22:32
  Speaker 11: used to cover the bloody body of a woman who
• 22:34
  Speaker 11: has been beaten to death. Police arrived to room eleven
• 22:38
  Speaker 11: ninety on the eleventh floor of the Soho fifty four
• 22:41
  Speaker 11: hotel and find a bloody crime scene with evidence clearly
• 22:45
  Speaker 11: left behind by a possible killer. The victim has been beaten, strangled,
• 22:49
  Speaker 11: and there are fragments of plastic embedded in her head
• 22:53
  Speaker 11: and an iron covered in blood next to her. Police
• 22:56
  Speaker 11: catch a break when they find a pair of blood
• 22:58
  Speaker 11: soaked mince pants.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: The receipt to Tom Smith for an NYPD detective, host
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: of Goldshields podcast, Tom, I think it's a whole nother
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: layer of complexity, a whole another type of defendant that
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: can rape or murder a woman so brutally sneak out
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: wearing her clothes and then use her credit card and
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Metro card. And you know what it reminds me of.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: It reminds me of Brian Laundry. After he takes Gabby Patito,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: his fiance, out west, murders her, leaves her and dispersed
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: camping where nobody will find her.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: But a pack of wolves.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Then he uses her van that she has completely redone
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: to in which to travel across country, her credit cards,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: and her cell phone. I mean, I think every time
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: I would have picked up that cell phone, my hand
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: would have burned because he had just killed her.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: Same with this guy Tom Smith.
• 24:01
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know what, but a lot of times the
• 24:03
  Speaker 8: police work, we don't rely on criminals being smart, and
• 24:06
  Speaker 8: that makes our job a little easier sometimes. And you
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: have to think, you know, he's in a panic, he's
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: maybe thinking too much, and whatever's right in front of
• 24:16
  Speaker 8: him as an escape route, he's going to use the
• 24:19
  Speaker 8: same thing in the Gabby Potito case, whatever's there that
• 24:23
  Speaker 8: he can utilize to get away from the scene, to
• 24:26
  Speaker 8: get out of New York as quick as possible. He's
• 24:29
  Speaker 8: going to use And that's not thinking intelligently. They're in
• 24:33
  Speaker 8: a rush, and they're under a lot of stress and
• 24:36
  Speaker 8: pressure to get away from that scene.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: Well, whose fault is that? It's their fault for committing a.
• 24:41
  Speaker 8: Murder, Absolutely right, you know, And that's what I mean.
• 24:44
  Speaker 8: You know, we rely sometimes on criminals not being smart
• 24:48
  Speaker 8: and being not thinking something through and just being impulsive
• 24:52
  Speaker 8: with what they do.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Don't know all about that Smith, because he somehow masked
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: to allude NYPD and get on a plane hello and
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: get all the way out to Arizona. If he hadn't
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: started a one man crime wave out in Arizona, he'd
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: probably still be walking free right now.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: So I don't know how dumb he is.
• 25:11
  Speaker 8: Oh he said, no, No, No, I didn't mean dumb. You know,
• 25:14
  Speaker 8: sometimes impulsive actions that they do after krime, the crimes
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: are are dumb, not the overall thought process of what
• 25:24
  Speaker 8: he is. Yes, I don't mean that by any stretch.
• 25:26
  Speaker 8: He's intelligent because he had a plan and he acted
• 25:31
  Speaker 8: on that plan.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Let's see what this world class jackass did out in Arizona.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Take a listen to Nicole parton Crime Stories.
• 25:40
  Speaker 11: Investigators say they are able to track the suspect's movement
• 25:44
  Speaker 11: through the victim's credit card and Metro card the suspect
• 25:47
  Speaker 11: allegedly stole and is using as investigators are identifying their
• 25:52
  Speaker 11: suspect in New York. Police in Arizona have their hands
• 25:55
  Speaker 11: full with a one man crime wave on February seventeen
• 25:59
  Speaker 11: in Phoenix, Arizona, and attempted carjacking and stabbing. The next morning,
• 26:04
  Speaker 11: February eighteen, at eight thirty am in Surprise, Arizona, a
• 26:08
  Speaker 11: man goes into a McDonald's women's restroom, crawls under a
• 26:12
  Speaker 11: stall door, and threatens a McDonald's employee with a gun.
• 26:16
  Speaker 11: She screams and he stabs her several times before fleeing
• 26:19
  Speaker 11: the facility.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: I don't get it.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: The guy is on the run for a Murdercaren start
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: and what does he did? Goes straight in the woman's
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: bathroom and try to rape another lady in Arizona. I
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: thought he went to Arizona to get away from the
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: murder he committed in New York.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: He goes straight to Arizona and tries to rape a woman.
• 26:37
  Speaker 9: Oh, he can't stop himself, Nancy, This is what he does.
• 26:41
  Speaker 9: This is a sexually motivated guy and clearly also motivated
• 26:46
  Speaker 9: by violence. So yeah, he may have run away so
• 26:49
  Speaker 9: he won't get caught, but he can't stop himself on
• 26:52
  Speaker 9: wanting to attack people.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: That's his m oh amazing.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: He could not control himself long enough to get in
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: the clear.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: Well, it ain't over yet.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: He tries to rape the woman in the stall in
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: the bathroom at McDonald's. He's foiled and he goes running
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: on foot. He actually gets away. Again, that's not the.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: End of the story. Listen to Rachel Bonnia.
• 27:18
  Speaker 12: Police arrived to the McDonald's in Surprise, Arizona, but the
• 27:21
  Speaker 12: suspects has fled on foot. Employees get out a good
• 27:24
  Speaker 12: description of the man. In a matter of minutes, someone
• 27:26
  Speaker 12: matching his description steals a car Surprise. Phoenix and Scott
• 27:30
  Speaker 12: Steel police are all alerted and looking for the stolen car.
• 27:33
  Speaker 12: When Scott Steel police see the vehicle and get a
• 27:36
  Speaker 12: good look at the suspect driving, he is pulled over
• 27:39
  Speaker 12: and police take twenty six year old rod Almassouri into custody.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Shll Nutt James Shell Knutt.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Before you're a high profile lawyer, which you are now
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: with the shell Nut Law Firm twenty seven years Metro
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: major case. This idiot killed murders a woman in New
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: York somehow it's away from police, using the victims Metro
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: card and credit card, buys a plane ticket. Hello, isn't
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: there security at LaGuardia JFK and Newark?
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: That's a whole other can of worms.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: He flies, gets a ticket, probably with her stolen credit card,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: flies to Arizona, and immediately starts committing violent felonies.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, now, after.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Trying to rape a woman in a stall, he runs
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: from that crime and steals a car.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: He steals a car. I mean, I give up. I
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: just throw my nose in the air.
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: No, this guy's a serial criminal. I mean, this guy
• 28:42
  Speaker 7: I would be wondering where he was at before?
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: Is in New York?
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, good point. How many other people has
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: he killed?
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: Oh? Exactly? New York may have New York may not
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: have been his first stop in his series of stabbings
• 28:54
  Speaker 7: and homicides.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Who is this guy? Where is he from? Joe Hutchinson?
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Do we know where this guy is from?
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: What we do know is that he seems to have
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: family in Arizona and one outlet in New York is
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: now spoke to one family member in particular, he said
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: it didn't sound like the greatest of our bringings. She
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: called him a misogynist from childhood and said he was
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: also a bipolar of schizophrenic.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Well a minute, who called him a misogynist has half
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: the half, sister, Okay, yeah.
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: She spoke to the New York filingers and said that
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: he used to exhibit delusions and that you've felt compelled
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: to kill his own pet sneak as well.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: I'm now learning that he has three alleged assaults in
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Florida and there's an ongoing investigation of him in Texas.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: This guy's all over the map.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: I'm not surprised he's committing all the felonies because he's
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: an animal, but I am surprised.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Nobody's put it behind bars.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: And I personally blame Tom Smith and James Sheilnett, who
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: were on the panel right now. But wait a minute,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: wait for it, Wait for it, everybody, take a listen
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: to Rachel Benia.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Wait wait, swarted it once in.
• 30:18
  Speaker 12: The police car and read his rights. Rod Alamassori starts talking.
• 30:22
  Speaker 12: He tells police about the attempted cardracking and stabbing that
• 30:25
  Speaker 12: he did the previous day in Phoenix. Police are surprised
• 30:28
  Speaker 12: because they hadn't had the chance to mention it to him,
• 30:30
  Speaker 12: But even before they make it to the police station,
• 30:33
  Speaker 12: he tells them they should google Soho fifty four.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: How many times I hope my twins are not listening
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: because I gave up cursing when they were born, having
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: worked for decades around Felons. Cops, you name it, you
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: get a pretty nasty mouth.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Okay, but how many jackasses have you heard say google it?
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: Google it?
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Joe Hutchinson joining me investigative reporter dailymail dot com. Did
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: he actually tell the cops to google Soho fifty four?
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: He did, Yeah, he told the police and Phoenix to
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: google the hotel that he was wanted for Homo Sade
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: and New York Say. And that is when police and
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: Phoenix contacted to the NYPD and told them we may
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: have someone of interest in the case.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Well, that's not all he told him. Listen to Nicole
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: part and Crime Stories.
• 31:46
  Speaker 11: Police follow rod allmansory suggestion and google Soho fifty four
• 31:51
  Speaker 11: as they read about the unsolved murder and pictures of
• 31:54
  Speaker 11: the man walking through the lobby in women's leggings. The
• 31:57
  Speaker 11: police in Arizona have some good news for the police
• 32:00
  Speaker 11: in New York. Police have already identified Almonsory as their suspect.
• 32:05
  Speaker 11: Now they know where he is. However, being loquacious, Almonsori
• 32:09
  Speaker 11: tells the police he thinks he may have hurt three
• 32:12
  Speaker 11: women in Florida.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: May have hurt three women in Florida.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: I'm afraid to ask Joe Rotchinson, are there three more
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: dead women in Florida.
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: We're not a hundred percent shure yet, but we do
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: know that last April he kidnapped and sexually assaulted sex
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: worker and was we believed Jale for it before he
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: PD's bill in September last year, which allowed him the
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: ability to travel and to go up to New York,
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: New York.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Say, take a listen to Joseph Kinney, Chief of Detectives
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: in YPD.
• 32:45
  Speaker 13: He has been previously arrested in Florida, Texas, and Arizona.
• 32:50
  Speaker 13: His most notable out of state arrests include in April
• 32:53
  Speaker 13: twenty twenty three arrest in Sultner County, Florida, where he
• 32:57
  Speaker 13: kidnapped and sexually assaulted a female. He was arrested on
• 33:00
  Speaker 13: that charge and later posted his ball his own bail
• 33:04
  Speaker 13: on that charge in September of twenty twenty three.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: You know what that tells me, James shell Knutt. He
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: posted his own baill. He kidnapped and sex assaulted.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: A woman, and he got a low bail. He could
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: post his own ball from the jail. Somebody let him walk,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: schell Nutt.
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: Of course they did. They let him walk, and they
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: gave him a license to do it again. Someone should
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: be ashamed of letting this animal back out on the street.
• 33:29
  Speaker 7: Is unacceptable.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: We are learning more from Joseph Kinney, Chief of Detectives, NYPD.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Listen.
• 33:34
  Speaker 13: On February seventeenth, twenty twenty four, just nine days after
• 33:38
  Speaker 13: our victim was discovered in New York City, he committed
• 33:41
  Speaker 13: a nine point cardjacking in Phoenix, Arizona, where he stabbed
• 33:45
  Speaker 13: his female victim.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: He managed to.
• 33:47
  Speaker 13: Escape that scene. The very next day, in Surprise, Arizona,
• 33:51
  Speaker 13: he dragged a female employee of a McDonald's into the
• 33:54
  Speaker 13: ladies room, held her against her will, and stabbed her
• 33:57
  Speaker 13: several times. This time, he did not escaped Arizona law enforcement.
• 34:01
  Speaker 13: He was arrested in Scottsdale, Arizona, while driving a stolen car.
• 34:05
  Speaker 13: While in the custody of Arizona law enforcement, he informs
• 34:08
  Speaker 13: them that he is wanted for homicide in New York
• 34:11
  Speaker 13: City and tells the cops that they should google Soulho
• 34:14
  Speaker 13: fifty four hotel.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: We're learning from a Chief of Detectives, Joseph Kenney, more
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: about the investigation that stopped a one man crime wave
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: for now unless some moron lets him out on bail.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Listen.
• 34:29
  Speaker 13: In addition to the alerts the NYPD had put on,
• 34:31
  Speaker 13: the subject called Arizona authorities to contact us. We are
• 34:35
  Speaker 13: currently working with our partners in the Manhattan District Attorney's
• 34:38
  Speaker 13: Office to arrange extradition back to New York City so
• 34:42
  Speaker 13: he could be charged for the homicide here. We are
• 34:44
  Speaker 13: also working with the FBI and their Violent Criminal Apprehension
• 34:48
  Speaker 13: Program to explore the possibility of discovering additional victims. As
• 34:52
  Speaker 13: a subject told Arizona cops that he hurt three additional
• 34:55
  Speaker 13: girls in Florida.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: And Chief Kenny lays out.
• 35:00
  Speaker 13: The timeline is On January twenty sixth, he purchases a
• 35:03
  Speaker 13: plane ticket from Florida to New York on one twenty nine.
• 35:08
  Speaker 13: We know he has credit card usage in New York City,
• 35:10
  Speaker 13: so he arrived somewhere in that three day span. On
• 35:14
  Speaker 13: two six, he visits an escort in Upper Manhattan. Between
• 35:18
  Speaker 13: two seven and too eight, we have our homicide at
• 35:21
  Speaker 13: the Soho Hotel. On two twelve, he flies back to Arizona.
• 35:26
  Speaker 13: On uh out of Newark Airport. Two seventeen, he does
• 35:31
  Speaker 13: the carjacking in Arizona. To eighteen, he stabs a woman
• 35:34
  Speaker 13: at McDonald's and subsequently arrested.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: If this guy had been apprehended on all of his many,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: many other brutal assaults on women, this mother would be
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: alive right now, Joe Hutchinson, where does the case stand now?
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: All?
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: Right now? I believe the new District Attorney's office has
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: sent an officer out to Phoenix to have a make
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: that they. I also believe that formal chilities are going
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: to be failed up today in Arizona. They may have
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: already been done by any over there from one hundred
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: cent show you. But then we were fooled yesterday that
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: the case, the exhibition case, could take weeks, it could
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: take months. So we just have to wait and see.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Doctor Howard Robin, forensic pathologist. In a nutshell, could you
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: tell me what a neck compression ending in death means.
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: Well, the next compression could either be throttling where the
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: perpetrator used their hands in order to strangle the victim,
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: or it could be due to linkature. There's a difference
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: between strangulation and throttling. In strangulation, it's not necessarily one's
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: hands that are used in order to put pressure on
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: the neck structures, but one could use a knee or
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: some other body part. But if this was manual strangulation,
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: they would find discoid lesions or thumbprints or fingerprints on
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: the neck, but they're only observed in about fifty percent
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: of strangulations. If it was a ligature strangulation, they would
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: find a circular indentation around the neck. A ligature was
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: not found at the scene, more likely than not this
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: was a throttling or strangulation of the neck, and the
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: important studies to perform would be dissection of the neck,
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: looking for hemorrhage in the muscles in the neck, as
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: well as fractures of the voice box, the larynx or
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: of the hyoid bone, and then of course looking at
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: the eyes to see if there are small hemorrhages or
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: particial hemorrhages that would be secondary to obstruction of the
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: jugular vein that drains blood from the head and that
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: leads to these small hemorrhages in the conjunct titha. So
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: additional information from the autopsy would help us understand what
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: this means. Compression of the neck all, it's more likely
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: than not that the strangulation occurred or the compression of
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: the neck occurred after she had sustained the head injury,
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: and that's probably how blood then contaminated the pants of
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: the perpetrator.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Hearing renowned forensic pathologist doctor Howard Robin, and my point
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: in obtaining that explanation is this, many people think that
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: rage is a defense.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: It is not. Anger is not a defense.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Also, premeditation is required for a conviction on malice murder,
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: and under the law, intent malice can be formed in
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: the twinkling of a moment, the blink of an eye.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: And for this defendant to have throttled or compressed the
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: neck of this mother, this young mom, every millisecond he
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: held her by the neck is time to form intent
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: which equals murder. One not voluntary not involuntary. He needs
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: jail for life or.
• 40:03
  Speaker 14: Worse, Nancy, if I could jump in for just a moment.
• 40:06
  Speaker 14: This is John Lemley in the Crime Online newsroom. A
• 40:09
  Speaker 14: judge in Arizona has decided not to transfer Almonsouri to
• 40:14
  Speaker 14: New York to stand trial for the horrific killing that
• 40:17
  Speaker 14: took place inside a hotel there, So the twenty six
• 40:20
  Speaker 14: year old Almansori will stay put for the attempted stabbing
• 40:24
  Speaker 14: murders there in Arizona. This according to a statement from
• 40:27
  Speaker 14: Court Commissioner Barbara Spencer. As of right now he is
• 40:31
  Speaker 14: behind bars without bond.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: Goodbye friend,