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Wednesday September 16 2026 | Charlie Kirk family Lawsuit; Mike Rethinks Legal Immigration · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 2: Hey, everybody. Welcome. Welcome to M. It is Wednesday, the
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  Speaker 2: 16th of September. One of the M's. I'll tell you
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  Speaker 2: something as I will sometimes do. We all do. It's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: it was the first thing I said about that. The
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  Speaker 2: I often call your heart eating your brain, uh, on
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  Speaker 2: the notion of legal immigration. We'll get to that in
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  Speaker 2: of direction from me. So I've got some stuff I
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  Speaker 2: want to do today. Things I want to get to.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously there was Mike's point about, uh, about legal immigration
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  Speaker 2: and being another day ending in Y. I guess we've
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  Speaker 2: got to have some bit of back and forth on AI.
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  Speaker 2: My journey on this is I'm open to the pro people,
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  Speaker 2: so more on that in a minute. All right, there's
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  Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk news here in your official podcast for everything
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  Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk. It is now a year and six days.
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  Speaker 2: I'll never forget that day. I mean, the phone rang.
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  Speaker 2: Everything starts with a phone ringing. Did you see this? Like,
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  Speaker 2: are you aware of this? I had no idea what
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  Speaker 2: was going on out of Utah Valley University. And as many,
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  Speaker 2: many things will, as many horrible stories will, the first
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  Speaker 2: information is either incomplete or wrong. I remember somebody saying,
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  Speaker 2: I think he's going to be okay. You know, that
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  Speaker 2: was just pure wishful thinking. He was so totally dead,
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  Speaker 2: probably almost immediately. And I just, I'll never forget that day.
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  Speaker 2: And those of us in the Salem family, and Mike
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  Speaker 2: knew him, you know, they were texting buddies for crying
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  Speaker 2: out loud. And he was part of our corporate, you know,
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  Speaker 2: media network. with a podcast and a show never to
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  Speaker 2: be forgotten, never ever to be forgotten, our friend Charlie Kirk.
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  Speaker 2: So the news today. Charlie Kirk's family has filed what's
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  Speaker 2: called a notice of claim. It's a precursor to a lawsuit.
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  Speaker 2: And it's a lawsuit against the university where he got shot,
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  Speaker 2: Utah Valley University. They're also suing the state. suing key
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  Speaker 2: individuals involved in campus leadership and security decisions, alleging that
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  Speaker 2: their failures led to Charlie's wrongful death. So as I
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  Speaker 2: take you through a detail or two about this, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the first thing that occurs to me is 20-20 hindsight.
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  Speaker 2: The other thing that occurs to me is grief as
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  Speaker 2: a motivator. You know, if somebody kills a loved one
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  Speaker 2: of mine, I'm going to want them strung up in public.
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  Speaker 2: I'm coming at them with every fire hose I have
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  Speaker 2: of pain and revenge and justice, whatever you want to
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  Speaker 2: call it. And so I don't know. I do remember
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  Speaker 2: in the days following that number of six, there were
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  Speaker 2: like six security people working. And I remember thinking, that
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  Speaker 2: seems small. Of course, the reason you think that seems
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  Speaker 2: small is because he just got shot. And I wondered
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  Speaker 2: if somebody had called me, you know, on September 9th,
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  Speaker 2: and said, you know, Mark, Charlie Kirk is due to
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  Speaker 2: be speaking at Utah Valley University tomorrow, and they got
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  Speaker 2: about six security people assigned to that. That sound about right?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I might have said, probably. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, being Charlie, it was a lightning rod. for
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  Speaker 2: all kinds of negative attention for being right on so
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  Speaker 2: many things. I mean, maybe I'd have thought that they
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  Speaker 2: needed a security team of a hundred and I, I
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  Speaker 2: just don't know, but obviously I guess it, I guess
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't enough and I guess they didn't do enough
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  Speaker 2: in hindsight. So, um, here's something from the filing signed
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  Speaker 2: by Kirk family attorneys, Lauren Washburn, Brett Parkinson, and Clifford Parkinson.
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  Speaker 2: And this is, um, I think this came out today.
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  Speaker 2: I believe the filing was dated a week ago. The
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  Speaker 2: risk of a rooftop shooter should have been especially top
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  Speaker 2: of mind given the attempted assassination of President Trump by
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  Speaker 2: a rooftop shooter the previous year. Not a bad point.
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  Speaker 2: In one alleged exchange cited in the filing, Turning Point
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  Speaker 2: USA organizers told the police chief at Utah Valley University,
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  Speaker 2: a gentleman named Jeffrey Long, that UVU students had informed
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  Speaker 2: them of rooftop access to the Sorensen Center. That was
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  Speaker 2: that building, you know, right by there, pretty close to
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  Speaker 2: where Kirk would be speaking and directly west of the
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  Speaker 2: Losey Center is where the where where this guy or
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  Speaker 2: the monster shot. So there are students going, you know,
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  Speaker 2: these rooftops seem to be kind of open. Right. According
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  Speaker 2: to the filing, quote, if this is true, it'd be
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  Speaker 2: nice to either have it controlled access or allow one
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  Speaker 2: of my guys to be there as well, somebody at
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  Speaker 2: TPUSA wrote to the chief, according to the filing. So continuing,
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  Speaker 2: his murder was entirely preventable, according to Brett Parkinson, counsel
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  Speaker 2: for the Kirk family, would not have happened if the
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  Speaker 2: state of Utah and UVU followed through on their stated
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  Speaker 2: security promises, which included protecting the the rooftops surrounding the
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  Speaker 2: quad where Charlie was speaking. Those failures not only robbed
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  Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk of his life, but also robbed his family
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  Speaker 2: of their husband, father, son, and brother with impacts that
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  Speaker 2: will compound for the rest of their lives. University for
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  Speaker 2: its part says we are aware of the notice of claim.
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  Speaker 2: Our focus remains on supporting our campus community. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, is there, what do they, what do they want?
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  Speaker 2: What do they want? They want money? I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: You know the instant go-to phrase here, nothing will bring
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  Speaker 2: Charlie back. Obviously, nothing will bring Charlie back. But that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't mean that nobody should go after somebody for something
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  Speaker 2: like this. Were they negligent? Were they grossly negligent? Is
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  Speaker 2: there a lesson to be learned here if Utah Valley
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  Speaker 2: University has to hand over millions and millions of dollars,
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  Speaker 2: will the next university that welcomes a controversial figure beef
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  Speaker 2: up security a little more so that they are not
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  Speaker 2: similarly squeezed in court?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: This is a tough one. And I wanted to bring
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  Speaker 2: you the very, very latest. on that because every development
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  Speaker 2: with regard to this and what will now be the
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  Speaker 2: trial for the monster who killed Charlie, these are things
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  Speaker 2: of his closing documents for his real estate deal that
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  Speaker 2: he put down on the table out on a balcony
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  Speaker 2: like a big dummy.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, I got no room. This would totally be me.
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  Speaker 2: And he even did put a Diet Coke on top
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  Speaker 2: of it. So it's not like there wasn't a paperweight.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, it was insufficient. And then soon his entire life
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  Speaker 2: and all of his data and all of his personal information,
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  Speaker 2: financial stuff is just floating through the skies of Pinellas County, Florida.
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  Speaker 2: And he managed to get virtually all of them back
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  Speaker 2: and realized that even a couple of the missing pages
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  Speaker 2: did not have vital personal info on it. So we
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  Speaker 2: got that story all taken care of. And then he said, now,
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  Speaker 2: Mark and everybody listening, I want to get to my apology.
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  Speaker 2: I just instantly knew, I kind of knew what it
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  Speaker 2: was going to be about. Because this has happened a
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  Speaker 2: couple of times. Mike will reach a conclusion. And then
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  Speaker 2: like a functioning human being, think about it and think,
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  Speaker 2: you know, maybe I could have had a slightly better
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  Speaker 2: take on that. I've done it. You've done it. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you don't have to have a talk show
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  Speaker 2: or a podcast to do this. It's like, whoa, maybe
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  Speaker 2: the first thing I said was not the smartest thing
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  Speaker 2: I could say. And then you talk to some people,
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  Speaker 2: you think about it some more, and you come to
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  Speaker 2: a better conclusion. That's called being a human being. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I think Mike takes such proprietary ownership of every syllable
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  Speaker 2: thing to do, that if he comes out with something
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  Speaker 2: and then wants to revise it later, It's like he
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: has to grovel for having been wrong the prior day.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: And I'm half kidding about that, but only half. I
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: think he really genuinely regretted, you know, having let his
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: heart eat his brain, as I'm fond of saying. He
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: was thinking about legal migration. And this all started with
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: the Beau French. Oh, look at all the Indian kids
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: in the crowd at the UT football game. Is that
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: indicative of some problem that we have? And so the
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: John Cornons and the establishment dinosaurs and the people that
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: hate Beau French anyway said, oh, what a terrible racist
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: thing to say. There's not a racist thing about it.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: It's about policy. It is all about policy and maybe
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: the policy where we let way too many people into
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: the country, even legally. So Mike's point seemingly a week
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: ago now was illegal immigration is bad, but aren't we
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: the party where legal immigration is supposed to be good?
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: And yes, and he lamented that we seemed, in a
• 19:14
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• 19:19
  Speaker 2: were distancing from that and being harsh toward those kids
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: there at the football game who are wearing cowboy hats
• 19:27
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• 19:28
  Speaker 2: assimilating can you do? Now, the point was not those
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: kids in that photograph. The point was, this is indicative
• 19:36
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• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Foreign influx in education, in our workplaces, et cetera, et cetera.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: So after a few minutes with me, apparently a few
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: hours with you on Mike's radio listenership. it's like, whoa,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: we might need to rethink this. And he did and
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: came around to the notion that maybe it is, you know,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: and it's, I don't want to say sadly or unfortunately,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: this is, it just, time marches on, man. At the
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: time of the arrival of his grandparents, right, from Ireland,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: It was a different America. It was a different world.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Everybody coming here was all about assimilating, and we kind
• 20:15
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• 20:19
  Speaker 2: and we don't have any more room. Things change. New
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: facts on the ground. Time to change your opinion. So
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Mike did in that particularly humble and self-effacing way that
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: he always does. And so if you go listen, go
• 20:32
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• 20:35
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• 20:38
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• 20:41
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  Speaker 2: the other day we were talking about uh obviously with
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• 23:43
  Speaker 2: The Uprising. The Uprising. All right, so there's been a
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: bit of an uprising about AI of late. Have you noticed?
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: When's the next episode we'll do where the letters AI
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: will not arise? I don't even know because there's new
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: stuff every day. I want you to take a look
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: at this. This is a clip featuring competing views of sorts.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: And there's something that is kind of odd about this.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: And let me set it up for you in the
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: following way. There are people who are all in for AI.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Here's what's counterintuitive. You would think the people who are gung-ho,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: the biggest cheerleaders for AI would be the AI companies. Nope,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: because here's Anthropic and all these other companies going, wow,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: we might have to rethink this, slow the roll. What's happening?
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: And you've got people peeling off of these, that British kid.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: I think it's like a nuclear bomb. Within years, we're
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: all going to be dead. It's like, wow, what? Really?
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: It's like, okay, so why are they? Why are they?
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: That's kind of funny. Mike came to us with contrition
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: over having been slow to a certain conclusion. He was
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: ahead of the curve ahead of me on this one
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: because I'm asking him, why would the AI companies want
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: to hinder their own business? And he said, look, because
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: they're looking for the protections of big government. They're looking for,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: they're craving the comforting womb of big government to protect
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: them from lawsuits and to perhaps give them antitrust protection,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: fend off some of these snarky little upstart AI companies
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: that might threaten the Anthropix and the Elons and the
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: various other big AI companies and your chat GPTs and
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: all of this. And big tech is a leftist operation.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: These aren't conservatives in big tech, please. So that kind
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: of helped me understand why they might want this. And
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: if one more Democrat comes out in favor of big
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: government marionette strings attached to AI, that's just going to
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: be it. From Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut, you got Obama.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: You've got Hakeem Jeffries, Bernie Sanders, for crying out loud.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: And speaking of Bernie, speaking of Bernie, here's where you get.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: You ever hear the horseshoe theory? The horseshoe theory, it's
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: a visual. So watch me where you're watching me and
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: just listen. I'll describe it. Imagine a horseshoe, top of
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: the horseshoe, the horseshoe curves around, right? And this is
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: like left and right. You put your hands like at
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: the top of the horseshoe, move your fingers left and right.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: They separate, they separate. Then in the form of a horseshoe,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: they start to come back around toward each other. It's
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: a horseshoe. The idea being that it's possible that sometimes
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: when you head off in a leftward direction and you
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: head off in a rightward direction... Sometimes there is a
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: phenomenon where the ultra-left and ultra-right kind of meet each
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: other on some issues around the back 40. This might
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: be what we're happening as Anderson Cooper shares Bernie Sanders
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: and Steve Bannon. That's really all I need to tell you.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Bernie Sanders and Steve Bannon occupying similar space. So let's
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: give a listen to this, and then I'll come back
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: and tell you what I'm thinking about about the growing
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: AI panic cult in Joy. This is a hinge in history.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: We have to handle this right, correctly. To handle it correctly,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: number one, we can.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Never trust what an oligarch says, because all they do,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: they're disingenuous and they lie.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: This has to be the American people, and this is
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: the issue before us. And they want you to be
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: dumb about it. They want you to be afraid of it.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: We're not going to be afraid. We're going to take
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: this on.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: Steve Bannon very much speaking today at a Washington event
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: called the Pro-Human Assembly. He shared the podium in a
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: call for tighter controls on AI technology with Vermont Senator
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: Bernie Sanders, someone very much on the left.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: Today, AI models can already escape human control, commit felonies
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: by hacking into other computers, and create viruses that have
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: never existed. been seen before. And to my mind, here
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: is what is most extraordinary about the transformative and unprecedented
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: changes that AI is making to our society. Despite living
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: in a so-called democracy, the public has had virtually no
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: input into the AI revolution, that is transforming the world
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: in which they live.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: Well, Senator Sanders and Steve Bannon obviously do not agree
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: on much, but suspicion of AI technology in the data
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: center is powering it across its party lines.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right. So first of all, what was that
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: thing called? The pro-human assembly? How do you disagree with that?
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Everybody's pro-human, one would think, right? Senator Sanders, quote, Despite
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: living in a so-called democracy, the public has had virtually
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: no input into the AI revolution. Well, what kind of
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: public input would you exactly expect into the boardroom of
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Anthropic to go, hey, stop doing this? We in the
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: public have complete, well, nobody has complete control about this.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: We have marketplace control over what we choose to do,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: what we choose to buy, what we choose to employ,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: what we choose to incorporate into our lives in terms
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: of AI products and services, right? And that, by the way,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: is what creates a lot of the feeling that we
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: can't fall asleep at the AI switch because the Chinese
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: will eat us alive and we will lose the AI
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: arms race to the Chinese, which I certainly don't want
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: to do. So what's driving Bernie there is just absurd.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: fear of the oligarchs and the oligarchs are going to
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: run everything and it's going to be dangerous to democracy
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: and the people and whatever, blah, blah, blah. Steve Bannon,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: whom I basically like and basically respect, has a, like
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: a conspiracy thing going on in his head. I know shocker, uh,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: about how the, even he had the O word coming
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: out of his mouth about all the oligarchs and the
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: people in various, uh, oligarchical realms are going to be
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: trying to use AI towards some sinister purpose into all
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: of this. You get president Trump who says all of
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: this is a hoax, all of this panic, all this fear,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: all this, uh, this doomsday scenario is being put out
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: with people saying it's not just going to kill us,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: but it'll kill us within five or 10 or 15 years.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: That strikes me as silly as well. And I don't
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: want to be a Luddite and I don't want to be,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: you know, willfully blind to anything. So with humans in
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: the loop, that is the phrase that will always come up,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: humans in the loop. And with this industry, the people
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: in the industry seem with a seeming willingness to to
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: keep an eye on things, to establish guardrails, to slow
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: their role somewhat, not so much that the Chinese overtake
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: and consume us, but just I think it's possible to
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: walk a middle ground where there is continuing ambitious devotion
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: to learning what AI can do with equally ambitious vigilance
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: about keeping an eye on when it might misbehave. And
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: a final word, for a final word, I think it's
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: a final word. It's the danger of no clock on
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: this crazy podcast. You remember the story where AI supposedly
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: jumped its guardrails and went off and started attacking other
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: AI realms and it viewed that as rivals or risks
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: or stuff like that. Oh my God, it decided to
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: do it all by itself. No, it didn't. It did
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: what it was programmed to do. It did what it
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: had been empowered to do. The solution to that wound
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: up being as simple as a few keystrokes that essentially said,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: don't do that again. Now, Having read Isaac Asimov's iRobot,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: I also know that some future AI brain trust may say, well,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: it thinks it's in its best interest. It thinks it
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: will better be able to serve you by jumping this
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: guardrail and eliminating this perceived obstacle. So let's stipulate there's
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: a lot to be cautious about, but a lot to
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: embrace in the world of AI. Seems like everybody's kind
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: of got an agenda going, including Bernie Sanders and Steve Bannon.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: My agenda is to see if this thing can cure cancer.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: I'd really love for it to cure cancer. I hope
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: I'm not asking too much. And it may just one
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: of these days. But also to prevent some bad movie
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: script from being written. where in some future decade, some
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: AI-run weapon system has decided to do something and escape
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: the humans in the loop. So lots of promise, lots
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: of things to be cautious about. The thing that enables
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: me to sleep at night, pretty much, is Lord knows
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: we're all paying attention to it. It's not like we're
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: going to wake up in a month or a year
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: and go, dang, AI did this thing, and we didn't
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: see it coming. I think we're hyper-attentive to it, it seems.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: So maybe that's a good thing, and we're certainly going
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: to continue to pay attention to it around here. Around
• 33:20
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• 33:23
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