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Inside The Tape With Greg Cosell: Philadelphia Eagles LB Nakobe Dean "Just Blows People Up" · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome back to Inside the Tape with Greg Cosell
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Speaker 1: On Inside the Birds. I'm Jeff Mosher. We got Greg Cosell.
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Speaker 1: He's breaking down the tape of the Eagles last game.
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Speaker 1: Of course, that's a lost twenty two nineteen to the Chargers.
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Speaker 1: In part one, we did the Eagles offense. Part two
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Speaker 1: Eagles defense. Will go through it now, and Greg, I
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Speaker 1: know a lot of people were very concerned about how
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Speaker 1: this Eagles defense was going to hold up against the
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Speaker 1: Chargers run game, given the fact that the Eagles defense
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Speaker 1: got steamrolled the week before by the Chicago Bears. One
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Speaker 1: week later, ten days later, actually a far different result.
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Speaker 1: What jumped out to you about the Eagles defense on tape?
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Speaker 2: You know, I thought a lot of guys played well
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Speaker 2: on the Eagles defense. I mean that I really noticed.
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Speaker 2: I thought that Jordan Davis played extremely well. Boy. I
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Speaker 2: thought he looked really quick in this game, both laterally,
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Speaker 2: and he had some vertical expl as a pass rusher.
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Speaker 2: I thought Byron Young had some, you know, really good
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Speaker 2: plays where you noticed him and went, oh, that's that's
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Speaker 2: really good. You know. Nikobe Dean, I mean, what can
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Speaker 2: you say about those those blitzes? I mean, he just
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Speaker 2: blows people up. So yeah, obviously had the sack fumble,
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Speaker 2: then he had another one where Herbert was able to
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Speaker 2: escape and run for fifteen yards. But you know, Dean
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Speaker 2: is so good and all these are sim pressures. I mean,
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Speaker 2: vic Fango in this game only had five plays out
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Speaker 2: of over forty dropbacks where he rushed five. So he's
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Speaker 2: been very big on sim pressure's meaning if people have
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Speaker 2: not to listen to us, it's a four man pass
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Speaker 2: rush where the fourth rusher is most often a linebacker
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Speaker 2: and it's usually Dean. Every once in a while it's Bond. Now,
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Speaker 2: he did have a five man pressure in this game
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Speaker 2: where I remember Degene was was the fifth rusher coming
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Speaker 2: off the edge, but he doesn't. He doesn't usually use
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Speaker 2: Degene as a blitzer even though he's a slot player
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Speaker 2: and he's not a big five man run And they
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Speaker 2: look they were getting people around Herbert a lot of
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Speaker 2: They had seven sacks, with the exception really of dean sack.
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Speaker 2: Most of them were kind of secondary sacks, which they
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Speaker 2: still count, but they didn't happen within you know, two
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Speaker 2: point five seconds.
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Speaker 1: Well, no, I thought that that meant that there was
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Speaker 1: there were coverage Sacks. I thought, I ask you about it.
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Speaker 1: I thought the back end of an excellent job on McCoffy,
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Speaker 1: on Latin Conky, on on Keenan Allen. I mean this
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Speaker 1: we mentioned in the pregame show. This is the only
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Speaker 1: team in the NFL that has four receivers with five hundred, yeah,
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Speaker 1: and they're all invisible for the most yeah.
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Speaker 2: For the most part. And I thought, you know, Marcus EPs,
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Speaker 2: I thought played well. I thought he was assignment officient.
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Speaker 2: You know, look, Marcus EPs, even when he was here
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Speaker 2: before and when he started in the league, he's not
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Speaker 2: an impact playmaker. He's one of those efficient guys. That's
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Speaker 2: how he's been in the league. He's an assignment guy.
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Speaker 2: And I thought he played well. You know what, the
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Speaker 2: way they play on the back end is when they
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Speaker 2: when they're in a too high structure, Blankenship is ninety
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Speaker 2: nine point nine percent of the time the boundary safety,
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Speaker 2: and Epps is was the field safety, just like Mkooba
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Speaker 2: is the field safety. That's the way they play. You know,
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Speaker 2: blanken Chip plays to the boundary, to the side of
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Speaker 2: Quinon Mitchell, who's always the boundary corner. Now, so you know,
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Speaker 2: I thought Epps did his job. I thought, you know,
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Speaker 2: there are just really snapshot plays that were really good.
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Speaker 2: Epps had a couple where you saw the the range
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Speaker 2: and you wouldn't call him an explosive athlete, but he
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Speaker 2: showed some range. Bond had some plays. You know, he's
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Speaker 2: a range Bond's a rangy guy. That's his game. And
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Speaker 2: he had plays, you know, sidelines to sideline showing that
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Speaker 2: inside outside range. You know, it's a lot of guys
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Speaker 2: flashed in this game.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly, let's talk about the defensive front. I mean,
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Speaker 1: no Jaalen Carter. So you saw a lot more Byron Young,
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Speaker 1: and it appeared that they used Brandon Graham as any.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, more often than not he played thirty snaps. I
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Speaker 2: didn't chart the exact number he was inside, but I
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Speaker 2: would say, you know, at least half. You know, you're right,
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Speaker 2: he was an inside rusher more often than not. Look,
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Speaker 2: you know, he was one guy didn't certainly notice. But
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Speaker 2: that doesn't mean he looked bad. I mean he didn't
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Speaker 2: make a splash play, right.
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Speaker 1: You know, do you feel like the Eagles used a
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Speaker 1: lot more stunting in line games?
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Speaker 2: He slanted a lot. Okay, he slanted a lot, and
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Speaker 2: I think my sense was the reason they did that
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Speaker 2: is this is an offensive line for the Chargers that's
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Speaker 2: not particularly quicker athletic, and I think that was again
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Speaker 2: you know, Vic Fangio could tell you more, but that's
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Speaker 2: my sense, you know, because that's not a real good
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Speaker 2: old line. And then Pipkins got hurt after twenty snaps
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Speaker 2: and they had to play Bobby Hart at right tackle,
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Speaker 2: and that's when Phillips capt speed to power against heart
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Speaker 2: and he was responsible for the Jackson interception because he
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Speaker 2: you know, he hit the upper arm of Herbert and
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Speaker 2: the ball fluttered out. But yeah, I think they were looking,
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Speaker 2: you know, with this old line is just not a
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Speaker 2: very good group and certainly not an athletic group. No.
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Speaker 1: In fact, I gained a lot more respect for Justin Herbert.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he really willed them to a win with
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Speaker 1: a broken left hand way. That was very impressed with.
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Speaker 1: Can you explain for our listeners and our viewers what
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Speaker 1: slanting is and why a team would do it? So?
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Speaker 2: In other words, normally an offensive line, excuse me, defensive line,
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Speaker 2: they line up and their first move is vertical. You know,
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Speaker 2: whether you're shooting a gap or whether you're starting off
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Speaker 2: by by initiating contact and then trying to play off
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Speaker 2: the contact. So what they're doing here instead is their
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Speaker 2: first move is not purely lateral, but it's a little
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Speaker 2: bit lateral. So you're you're sort of it's a slant.
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Speaker 2: You're slanting into, you know, a gap, and now that
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Speaker 2: forces the offensive lineman that's right in front of you,
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Speaker 2: he's got to move with you, you know, and if you're
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Speaker 2: if the old linemen are not quick or athletic, that's
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Speaker 2: it makes it tougher for them. And they struggled with that,
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Speaker 2: and it was you know, I thought it was a
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Speaker 2: good tactical move by the Eagles.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you saw a lot of penetration. You saw
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Speaker 1: a lot of pressure right at Herbert. Immediately we talked
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Speaker 1: about the linebackers, the safety these corners. Yeah, I mean
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Speaker 1: Jaylen Phillips like he had looked he had a pretty
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Speaker 1: active game as well.
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Speaker 2: He was very active, you know, he was good in
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Speaker 2: the run game. He had some pressures. No, it was
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Speaker 2: like I said, I mean, you know, I'm not charting
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Speaker 2: every player obviously, you know I can't, but I didn't
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Speaker 2: feel like anybody had bad you know, had bad snaps.
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Speaker 2: We went oh, my god, that's really bad, right, And
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Speaker 2: it was good. You know, they lost obviously, but I
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Speaker 2: thought it was a really good defensive effort.
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Speaker 1: For all the discussion from the first eight to ten
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Speaker 1: weeks about Dori Jackson, again, it's been hard for teams
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Speaker 1: to really pick on him. Some teams have tried, but
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Speaker 1: for the most part, he hasn't hurt them as much.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, they had the one big play on
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Speaker 2: the first posession of sixty yarder. How about Zach Bourn
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Speaker 2: running him down by the way. That's ridiculous, but you know,
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Speaker 2: theoretically that's a bust. But again, they ran a route
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Speaker 2: concept that was basically a four strong to one side,
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Speaker 2: and because Herbert had to move and the play became
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Speaker 2: second reaction, theoretically, could you argue that it was Nikobe
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Speaker 2: Dean who who should have been there? But you know
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Speaker 2: those are hard because the play goes all to one
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Speaker 2: side and you don't want to stand there covering grass,
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Speaker 2: so you start to move with the play and then
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Speaker 2: you know that happens, and you know it's happened. But
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Speaker 2: when I saw Bone run him down that way, that
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Speaker 2: was crazy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I mean, the athleticism the linebacker they
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Speaker 1: did get you hot Campbell on the field for seven snaps.
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Speaker 1: But Vic's just having a trump and you can we'll see,
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Speaker 1: we've already talked about it, and we'll see in a
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Speaker 1: few seconds why he's having trouble taking Nakobe off the
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Speaker 1: field or Zach Ball off the field.
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Speaker 2: And you're not going to right now the way Nikobe
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Speaker 2: Dean's playing or Zach I mean, you're not taking those
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Speaker 2: guys off the field.
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Speaker 1: Not at all. So before we get to to watch it,
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Speaker 1: I'm I guess I'm baffled a little bit because sometimes
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Speaker 1: the Eagles put things on tape that you expect the
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Speaker 1: opponent to eventually figure out because they do it so much.
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Speaker 1: And it seems like every time Nikobe Dean comes on
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Speaker 1: a SIM or he comes on a creeper pressure as
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Speaker 1: a fifth man, like he's getting through and a lot
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Speaker 1: of times unblocked. And it's almost like that's.
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Speaker 2: A function of what the front alignment is. They align
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Speaker 2: their front so that basically the center and whichever A
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Speaker 2: gap they want him to go to, there's obviously two
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Speaker 2: A gaps on the each side of the center, So
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Speaker 2: withever a gap they designate for that particular SIM pressure
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Speaker 2: they want him to go through. They make sure that
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Speaker 2: with their front alignment that the center has to block
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Speaker 2: a defensive tackle right and that the center can't respond
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Speaker 2: to Nakobe Dean because when they do this with him,
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Speaker 2: he routinely gets through that a gap clean and that's
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Speaker 2: a function of how they align their front.
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Speaker 1: at it. How he was impactful here? This is earlier
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Speaker 1: in the game. And no, this is where he comes
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Speaker 1: on a five man rush. It's it's not a sim
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Speaker 1: and I believe he causes an incomplete pass.
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Speaker 2: Here as we So this is a man yeah, yes.
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Speaker 1: So let's let's reroll back and roll up what they're
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Speaker 1: doing here, because they're really just showing a fore man
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Speaker 1: in front of first.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, now, this this is interesting. This. When I saw
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Speaker 2: this again, I thought this could have been a mistake
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Speaker 2: because look at the front of it. It's your basic,
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Speaker 2: you know, conventional four man front. So you know, when
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Speaker 2: I saw this again because I don't know the protection call,
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Speaker 2: but you know, I was trying to figure out, like,
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Speaker 2: what is the center looking at here? Right? You know,
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Speaker 2: I thought, you know, so I don't know the answer
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Speaker 2: to that. You know, maybe it's a mistake, maybe it's
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Speaker 2: you know, I don't know. Now he's sliding immediately to
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Speaker 2: his left. If that's the call, I guess I'd be
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Speaker 2: surprised if that's the call, because they are an empty
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Speaker 2: they don't have a back to pick up Dean. So,
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Speaker 2: you know, and Dean, you know, do you remember when
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Speaker 2: we used to do the show with Trey Thomas and
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Speaker 2: he would always use the term non blitzer. Yes, I
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Speaker 2: mean I would think, if you're a defense that Dean
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Speaker 2: is a non blitzer. Yes.
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Speaker 1: The only thing I would say, is that on the
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Speaker 1: left side of the left side is all.
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Speaker 2: Have one position too. They very possible they see Bond
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Speaker 2: as a potential blitzer and they're going to go three
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Speaker 2: to block three, But then then you have two to
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Speaker 2: block two on the right, big on big, So you know,
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Speaker 2: I would doubt, I would doubt very much that the
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Speaker 2: protection call would allow for someone to come clean through
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Speaker 2: the A gap. So I would think somewhere along the line,
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Speaker 2: there's a mistake made.
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Speaker 1: Plus, it doesn't look like the routes are are are designed.
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Speaker 2: If there's nobody's running a hot route, there's no one.
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Speaker 2: I remember this play, nobody somebody made a mistake here.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I had to be because you would have thought
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Speaker 1: someone like right here one of the receivers turns around
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Speaker 1: and prevents himself. But no, that's that's not the case,
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Speaker 1: and it winds up being an easy sack there for
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Speaker 1: for Nikobe Dean. But again untouched. But we've seen a
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Speaker 1: couple We've seen that happen a couple of times this year.
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Speaker 1: So let's also let's look at the Nicobe Dean play
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Speaker 1: where he does cause uh the fumble and diagnose that
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Speaker 1: a little bit.
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Speaker 2: So this was a sim pressure. They've got a blocker
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Speaker 2: for him here, so they're gonna rush for four yep. So
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Speaker 2: I mean he's gonna hit the a gap. The back
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Speaker 2: is Hampton. You know, Hampton goes to meet him, but
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Speaker 2: he can't really Hampton can't get set because it happened
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Speaker 2: so fast, so he ends up blowing him up. But
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Speaker 2: you know, Hampton could not set his feet with any
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Speaker 2: kind of firm base. And Dean just you know, he's
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Speaker 2: so good with this velocity. You know, the velocity, the
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Speaker 2: shortstroke power. I mean that seems like he does this
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Speaker 2: every week.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, now you can add.
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Speaker 2: Here's a class example what I was talking about with
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Speaker 2: the front, Okay, because look at the front, they've got
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Speaker 2: a one technique with Davis, and the center's got his
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Speaker 2: eye on him. He can't ignore Davis, right, And then
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Speaker 2: you got a three technique and you got a wide nine.
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Speaker 2: So now the left tackle's eating up by Hunt. When
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Speaker 2: I say up, that's how they map out the protection.
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Speaker 2: So if you're mapping out this protection which you have
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Speaker 2: right now, is you're gonna have the left tackle on Hunt,
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Speaker 2: You're gonna have the left guard on Young, You're gonna
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Speaker 2: have the center on Davis and then on the other side,
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Speaker 2: you know, one of them may have bone if he comes,
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Speaker 2: you know. So basically they're saying that the back is
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Speaker 2: going to have the a gap. That's what they're staying.
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Speaker 1: Here, right, and at the last second Dean gets in there.
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Speaker 1: By the way, you can now add O'maron Hampton to
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Speaker 1: the list of David Montgomery and Josh Jacobs of guys
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Speaker 1: that get trucked by Nicole Dean on the way to
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Speaker 1: a sack, which is a testament Nikobe Dean is smaller
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Speaker 1: than Omari and Hampton, so that's a testament to how House.
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Speaker 2: Well, but he's smaller in terms of well, no, he's
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Speaker 2: he's bigger in waight too. Yeah, Hampton is only like five.
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Speaker 1: Nine right right. I was thinking, wait, isn't isn't Hampton
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Speaker 1: a bigger to twenty one? Yeah, so he's a bigger guy.
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Speaker 1: But look, okay, yeah maybe right around the saye.
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Speaker 2: Not much more, but he is. Yeah, but you know,
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Speaker 2: Hampton couldn't get set. I mean, it's just couldn't get
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Speaker 2: set right.
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Speaker 1: Well whenever, Yeah, that's what they do.
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Speaker 2: They map out their front so that a back has
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Speaker 2: to pick up Dean. Now, when I say has to
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Speaker 2: Could you block this differently? It'd be hard to because
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Speaker 2: that means if you want the center to pick up
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Speaker 2: Dean here, then you're basically saying that you're left. Your
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Speaker 2: right guard has to block Davis and and he just
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Speaker 2: doesn't have leverage to do.
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Speaker 1: That, right, right. The last one I wanted to show
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Speaker 1: was an incomplete Uh this was a really good coverage
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Speaker 1: here downfield by Cooper de jan I believe this article. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think so this was Was this a double stunt?
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Speaker 1: Let's go back to the It looks like it was
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Speaker 1: two te stunts if I'm not mistaken here, because Brandon
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Speaker 1: Graham's lined up inside and then Hunt stunts around him,
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Speaker 1: and then the.
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Speaker 2: Solid thing it's a T East stunt up top. So yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's a double T stunt. Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And then you look at that.
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Speaker 2: And they get and the center goes obviously to the left,
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Speaker 2: so Phillips gets in clean.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yep, and then Herbert has to make a throw
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Speaker 1: on the run. This is great concentrate. That was a
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Speaker 1: good ball tracking concentration.
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Speaker 2: It's a great play.
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Speaker 1: By Cooper de Gene. Yeah, I want to take a
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Speaker 1: look at that upfront because it's I don't. The Eagles
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Speaker 1: have been stunting, but it's rare you see them do
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Speaker 1: it with all four linemen.
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Speaker 2: Of it's pretty cool.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then there's Jalen Phillips. He's he moves fast
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Speaker 1: laterally Greg in.
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Speaker 2: An ideal world and again, I don't know how they
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Speaker 2: coach it, go back if you don't mind, sure, in
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Speaker 2: an ideal world. And then maybe you know I'm wrong,
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Speaker 2: but I've seen this before. You would want Campbell to
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Speaker 2: come up a little more, just so you can occupy
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Speaker 2: the center. Yep, that's what you'd love to see because
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Speaker 2: look at the center when the ball snap will look
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