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Music As Therapy With JIMMY KYLE From CHASING GHOSTS · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  Speaker 1: Like a zombie to the coffee machine, spending line a
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  Speaker 1: line in mine. May I not Jimmy Carle. My name
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  Speaker 1: is Jimmy Cayle. I'm a proud dunuddy man. I'm a punk,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a musician, and I a front and songwrit for
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  Speaker 1: Chasing Ghosts. And I'm stoked to be talking to Chris.
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  Speaker 2: You've got one thing there too. You're an all around
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  Speaker 2: good break as well.
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  Speaker 1: Buddy. You forgot to mention that page of fifty bucks
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  Speaker 1: to say that, but I appreciate.
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  Speaker 2: No worries that the whole brother. So we're here today
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  Speaker 2: to speak about the fact that Chasing Ghosts will unleash
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  Speaker 2: your new album Therapy and maybe the sixteenth RASO. How
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  Speaker 2: you feel about it?
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  Speaker 1: Super excited now now that the work's all done, and
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  Speaker 1: it's all the composing and the creating film clips and
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  Speaker 1: thematics and and you know, it starts off as small
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  Speaker 1: ideas and now it's like finally at the end, and
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  Speaker 1: it kind of felt like it would never happen. It
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  Speaker 1: was going for a while, as all Chasing Ghosts records
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  Speaker 1: tend to. And yeah, I'm just super excited to share
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  Speaker 1: it with people.
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  Speaker 2: It tells a me bit more about this one. From
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  Speaker 2: a musical point of view, what you're going.
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  Speaker 1: For, right, I think it's it's definitely a lot more upbeat,
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  Speaker 1: and as you know, the sort of chasing ghost story
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  Speaker 1: is I guess acoustic punk Troubadour leaves hardcore music and
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  Speaker 1: goes solo, and then it's sort of come full circle
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  Speaker 1: where it's like it's a heavier record. It's sonically a
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  Speaker 1: lot more polished than and bigger than anything we've done before.
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  Speaker 1: And they felt like, really like the next progression coming
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  Speaker 1: out of Homelands, The next progression was kind of like
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  Speaker 1: where can this go? And so we'd sort of done
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  Speaker 1: a real low fire, kind of very Melbourne sounding mix
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  Speaker 1: for Homelands, and then Therapy is a very produced, very
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  Speaker 1: shiny is the word that I tend to use, kind
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  Speaker 1: of polished record, and it was a real pleasure to
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  Speaker 1: do something different because I'd always had a history in
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  Speaker 1: recording the earlier records sort of like in the analogue way.
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  Speaker 1: So now have we not only moved into the digital
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  Speaker 1: realm finally, but we've moved into it sort of with
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  Speaker 1: no rules, just leaning right into a modern process. And
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  Speaker 1: so we could give some contrast and personality difference between
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  Speaker 1: the other releases you've released.
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  Speaker 2: The singles Shamma, Marti, my Beg, gay Ted, Bits, all
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  Speaker 2: up these Everybody. So I know it's hard with you
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  Speaker 2: guys because it's covered so much ground musically, But would
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  Speaker 2: you say those four represent the album sonically?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, sonically for sure, so min Bing Eyed probably has
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  Speaker 1: a slightly It's got some strings in it, which have
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  Speaker 1: always been on Chasing Ghost records often there's string sections,
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  Speaker 1: so big string arrangement which is really awesome. Chema mile
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  Speaker 1: T is a real kind of bit of an indie
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  Speaker 1: sort of influence coming through, bit of a punk indie
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  Speaker 1: influence coming through. But yeah, sonically they all feel like that,
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  Speaker 1: and I think like the earliest singles Amnesia Everybody, it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like sounds a bit like Homelands on steroids.
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  Speaker 1: It's a bit jacked up. It's it sort of has
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  Speaker 1: a modern midnight oil kind of chug along drums behind it.
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  Speaker 1: And then ten feet Tall is just look out, It's
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  Speaker 1: it's it's right in your face, here we go.
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  Speaker 2: What do you choose them to sort of try and
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  Speaker 2: cover all those different aspects of you, you think, or
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  Speaker 2: do you choose them with what you feel the better material.
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  Speaker 1: I tend to try and step out of that process
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  Speaker 1: a bit more these days and let my management, my
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  Speaker 1: my team around me give me their feedback and and
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  Speaker 1: I sort of balance that with my own perspectives. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: my between the label and my management, I sort of
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  Speaker 1: really trust their thoughts around it because I have biases
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  Speaker 1: as as the writer, as the singer, I have some
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  Speaker 1: biases around what I would think because you know, sometimes
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  Speaker 1: you want to choose what's enjoyable to play, maybe not
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  Speaker 1: necessarily what's enjoyable for the listener as their priority. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I just let those who have been in the industry
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  Speaker 1: for a long time knowing what they do, let them
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  Speaker 1: do their process, and I leave the rest up to
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  Speaker 1: the audience. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Now, there was one light in the press release that
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  Speaker 2: I found really interesting and said Carl found himself writing
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  Speaker 2: without the rule book of his previous work, like continue
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  Speaker 2: to laborate on that for us.
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  Speaker 1: Well, well, sorry. When I first when I did Confessions
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  Speaker 1: from a Phone Booth, the first record, when it was
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  Speaker 1: really very much still a solo project, we mixed to tape,
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  Speaker 1: we mastered to tape, so real, the real old school
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  Speaker 1: style analogue, no beat detectors, no computers used at all
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  Speaker 1: until the very last process, which is mandatory that it
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  Speaker 1: goes through at the very end. We essentially made records
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  Speaker 1: the way you would make them in the seventies, and
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  Speaker 1: I did that for the first record. The second record
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  Speaker 1: was a hybrid, so I used tape again for the
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  Speaker 1: rhythm section, which is something people did a lot in
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  Speaker 1: the nineties, and even a couple of people still doing
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  Speaker 1: it in the noughties maybe, but it would be probably
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  Speaker 1: twenty years since someone's bothered to do that. So that's
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  Speaker 1: how I did the I Am Jimmy Carle record, and
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  Speaker 1: then the Homelands and Therapy records were about really leaning
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  Speaker 1: into what are produced so can bring to the table
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  Speaker 1: outside of songwriting per se, but just lots of really
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  Speaker 1: tasty little easter eggs, you know, little ear candy moments,
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  Speaker 1: the shiny, polishy stuff that we used to listen to
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  Speaker 1: on a lot of American records. And so this is
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  Speaker 1: sort of the first time saying, you know, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to do this sort of strip back Billy Bragg diy,
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  Speaker 1: you know, mister authenticity to the point that it's nearly dogma,
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  Speaker 1: and and sort of move into it's okay to use
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  Speaker 1: lots of modern things, so things like if I think
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  Speaker 1: for the first three records there's been no auto tune
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  Speaker 1: ever used on my vocals, and I'm not a great singer,
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  Speaker 1: but it just requires that you sing until you get
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  Speaker 1: it right. And in a studio. Once upon a time
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  Speaker 1: you might have had the budget all the time to
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  Speaker 1: do that. And now and it might take, you know,
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  Speaker 1: several takes to get there. So there's a faster process
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  Speaker 1: now and you know, people, you might have a really
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  Speaker 1: good take, it performed really well, and then you've got
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  Speaker 1: perhaps a word that's slightly out of time, and they
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  Speaker 1: can come in now and like pull that into time
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  Speaker 1: and say, hey, keep that take. It was actually the
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  Speaker 1: only thing about it was this, and we've just nutched it.
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  Speaker 1: In the past, I would have said, let's redo it
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  Speaker 1: until it's perfect and for the listeners experience to convey
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  Speaker 1: the idea. It's probably not necessary today. And I think
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  Speaker 1: a lot of young people have always lean into that
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  Speaker 1: process of just like, oh, this is it's faster, I
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  Speaker 1: could just do it this way. And it was new
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  Speaker 1: for me. It was new for me I when I'd
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  Speaker 1: left playing punk hardcore and I went solo. I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to write records with my ears, not in the computer
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  Speaker 1: with my eyes. I wanted to and record with my ears,
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  Speaker 1: not with my eyes. And I wanted to enjoy music
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  Speaker 1: again and play it from the heart. And so that's
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  Speaker 1: why they were such like love projects with all this
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  Speaker 1: extra sort of stuff. And I feel like the only
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  Speaker 1: people who probably really value that are other museo nerds
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  Speaker 1: and geeks produce the nerds and geeks. But I think
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  Speaker 1: it's important to understand that for a new generation, they've
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  Speaker 1: been listening to Triple J squash and really beautifully mixed
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  Speaker 1: and mastered records and squashed them in an MP three
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  Speaker 1: on our national distributor, which takes away a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the work. And then with you know, a generation that's
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  Speaker 1: grown up with air pods or ear headphones and earphones
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  Speaker 1: or headphones rather and not hearing records the same way
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  Speaker 1: that we used to hear them. So the mixes are
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  Speaker 1: different now, and what we aim for is a little
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  Speaker 1: bit different now. So it's just kind of letting go
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  Speaker 1: of a lot of old ideas and feeling like, well,
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  Speaker 1: that's a space I could find growth by leaning into
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  Speaker 1: lots of new ideas, And so I did, and here
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  Speaker 1: we are so cool.
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  Speaker 2: But the suckle thing about that is it's new generation
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't either even know or appreciate what you've done with
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  Speaker 2: all that stuff, because they don't know any better.
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  Speaker 1: But this generation only remembers Anthony Curtis as a good singer.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone else before auto tune remembers that if Anthony Ketis
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  Speaker 1: not Curtis, rather Anthony Ketis could hit a note on
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  Speaker 1: his first several records. It was an achievement that and
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  Speaker 1: it works. It works, but he's flat ninety percent of
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  Speaker 1: the time. It's flat, and that would have taken a
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  Speaker 1: lot of equing, and it would have taken a lot
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  Speaker 1: of getting the performance right. And then we hit one
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  Speaker 1: hot minute with the introduction of melodine and changing vocals.
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  Speaker 2: That's got nothing to do with it. That's got nothing
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  Speaker 2: to do with it.
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  Speaker 1: Come on and duddly, he pitches perfect. Is there anything
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  Speaker 1: wrong with that? No, I don't think there is. But
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  Speaker 1: it's just the progression of what we're capable of doing
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  Speaker 1: the same job much much faster and therefore cheaper.
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  Speaker 2: But not necessarily better.
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  Speaker 1: That is also the other side of I noticed it.
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  Speaker 1: There's no actual someone.
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  Speaker 2: They're called therapy made, so it's obviously got to have
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  Speaker 2: a bit deeper meaning. So is the other more therapy
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  Speaker 2: for yourself as a writer, and like Baker, I guess,
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  Speaker 2: or was it more for us listening to it?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? Well, the old adage is that music is therapy,
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  Speaker 1: and I think for a lot of artists and listeners
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  Speaker 1: that's exactly what a lot of people think of it
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  Speaker 1: as therapeutic. Whether it's metal and punk hardcore and you
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  Speaker 1: scream and your lungs out or getting a Sarah McLaughlin
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  Speaker 1: record and a glass of wine and crying your eyes out,
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  Speaker 1: but they're all therapeutic in some sort of way. There's
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  Speaker 1: a catharsis that happens where we can expel some of
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  Speaker 1: our emotions that we carry. So I think in that
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  Speaker 1: added sense it rings true. For me, was about actually
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  Speaker 1: the first time going to therapy post some massive changes
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  Speaker 1: in my life, and I think that's sort of This
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  Speaker 1: record was like the unpacking of lots of ideas and
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  Speaker 1: problems and thoughts that were on my mind, and some
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  Speaker 1: of them are really like interpersonal things like falling out
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  Speaker 1: with longtime friends and sort of you know, stuff that
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  Speaker 1: we all go through in life at different points. And
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  Speaker 1: some things were more systemic things, things like amnesia. Everybody
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  Speaker 1: sort of talking to a more of a systemic issue
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  Speaker 1: in Australia around the cult of forgetfulness, you know, not
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  Speaker 1: cognizant of where we are and how we've all got here. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and so it depends on the track. You know, ten
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  Speaker 1: feet All is a very introspective track about me literally
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  Speaker 1: having my first conversations with the therapists. Hence the lines
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  Speaker 1: write it down, tell me everything you think, you know
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  Speaker 1: that you figured out about me, And so it was
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  Speaker 1: literally like sitting down with my therapist for the first
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  Speaker 1: time and making some inroads and expelling some stuff. And
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  Speaker 1: that was the idea is you know, I thought I
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  Speaker 1: was ten feet tall and it turned out I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: And even the best of us can fold. We're not
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  Speaker 1: all perfect, and so that's sort of then we get
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  Speaker 1: to songs like Kemmilt, which are about having struggling with
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  Speaker 1: insomnia for a really long period of time. My bing
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  Speaker 1: I is a song really that was about the domestic
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  Speaker 1: violence issues across multiple all ethnic communities with men, and
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  Speaker 1: it was coming from a place of there's probably a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people who have done things that they wish
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  Speaker 1: they hadn't done and would like to potentially change, and
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  Speaker 1: that there is some redeemable quality within that person that
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  Speaker 1: should be noted, not just thrown in the pile of
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  Speaker 1: you're a bad person and there's no way out of that.
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  Speaker 1: So it was sort of this song that I was
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  Speaker 1: talking to men about change behavior and recognizing that she's
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  Speaker 1: not your therapy. So you know that woman's not your therapy,
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  Speaker 1: Go and do the work. It's not for you to
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  Speaker 1: put your hands on her. It's for you to use
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  Speaker 1: your feet, put your hands in your pockets, use your
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  Speaker 1: feat walk out of the situation, and start doing the
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  Speaker 1: work on yourself. Break the cycles that most people who
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  Speaker 1: perpetuate violence have themselves unfortunately been the victims of, usually
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  Speaker 1: as children. So it's sort of this. The whole record
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  Speaker 1: was very considered about the issues that were approached, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's some songs that people here in the
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  Speaker 1: in the very near future, you know that that discuss
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  Speaker 1: the survivors guilt and struggle when losing friends to suicide
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  Speaker 1: and the friends that you've really actively tried to engage
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  Speaker 1: to prevent the you know, the the unliving of of
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  Speaker 1: themselves and these sort of yeah, these these conversations have
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  Speaker 1: all been really confronting conversations, but there were conversations that
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  Speaker 1: I was dealing with personally as well as dealing with
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  Speaker 1: systemically in some circumstances.
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  Speaker 2: Along those lines, bro, the one constant thing with Chasing
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  Speaker 2: Ghosts and Ay your music is your honesty and encourage
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  Speaker 2: in writing about subjects and events and other people shy
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  Speaker 2: away from.
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  Speaker 1: Like do you think your.
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  Speaker 2: Messages and your words are starting to synk in on
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  Speaker 2: a broader, deeper level.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder whether I'm preaching to the choir. I went
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  Speaker 1: to a Midnight Oil show with Tasmin Keith and Taz
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  Speaker 1: was rapping in the show, and I was surprised because
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  Speaker 1: I heard when I was in the audience, I heard
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  Speaker 1: some ignorant comments, not about Taz, but just ignorant comments
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  Speaker 1: about Indigenous people were made, and I just thought, wow,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like Midnight Oil has made it really clear
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  Speaker 1: for a really long time about what they're singing about,
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  Speaker 1: and yet there are die hard fans here that still
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  Speaker 1: haven't quite got it right. So that was a really
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  Speaker 1: sad moment for me, thinking how many of my fans
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  Speaker 1: or supporters haven't quite got it. And then I realized,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that's not really the part that I control,
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  Speaker 1: nor is it my responsibility. It's for the people that
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  Speaker 1: maybe are looking for insight or looking for reflection, or
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  Speaker 1: are yet to make up their mind or find agreement
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  Speaker 1: in some of the things that I'm sharing. It's for
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  Speaker 1: the people like yourself that would take the time to listen,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, I feel like a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: comment on the lyrics and that they the subject matter
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  Speaker 1: and the lyrics have really resonated with people, So that
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  Speaker 1: was my intention. I hope it resonates with folks on
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  Speaker 1: that honest, vulnerable, authentic. Some people have described it as bold,
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  Speaker 1: being quite bold to take on some of these subject matter.
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  Speaker 1: But I think if we're not doing that as artists,
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  Speaker 1: we're not really doing our job. If we're always singing about,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a breakup song and poor follow me kind
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  Speaker 1: of attitude, I think that's Hey. I think there's a
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  Speaker 1: thousand of them, and that they they're obviously popular, but
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  Speaker 1: it's not what I wanted to do. I didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to do love songs and I didn't want to do
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  Speaker 1: breakup songs. I really wanted to write about more challenging material,
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  Speaker 1: and hopefully I've achieved that, But yeah, I do wonder
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  Speaker 1: whether I don't think everyone gets it the way that
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  Speaker 1: you get it. I think a lot of people do, though.
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  Speaker 1: That's good.
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  Speaker 2: Would you say overall then that Therapy is an album
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  Speaker 2: of hope or an album.
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  Speaker 1: Of conflict both both? Yeah. I think it's an album
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  Speaker 1: of internal conflict and like and finding the hope and
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  Speaker 1: optimism in that. And I think it's it doesn't lead
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  Speaker 1: into dramatics. It wrestles with honest realities and it talks
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  Speaker 1: to them in a very personal kind of a way,
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  Speaker 1: like a conversation, nearly similar to what we're doing now,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And I think songs like my Bingey probably
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  Speaker 1: reflect that really really well.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Jason goes, I got to be hitting the road
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  Speaker 2: for the Therapy astral And tour next month, starting in
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  Speaker 2: Adelaide on June is sick. Then he hit Balla at Melbourne, Sydney,
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  Speaker 2: finish up here at Brislee on the fortieenth gym Mate.
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  Speaker 2: So are you playing mostly material from the new album?
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  Speaker 2: Are you going to have a bit of a cross section?
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  Speaker 1: It's I think there's definitely a few songs that we
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to play a set and not play.
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  Speaker 1: I think there could be a mini riot, so we
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  Speaker 1: definitely would play some of the classic songs that people
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  Speaker 1: have come to cherish, but we do want to share
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  Speaker 1: the new singles and some real tasty bits from this
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  Speaker 1: new album. I think what's great about it is, you know,
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  Speaker 1: record drops May sixteenth. We don't hit the road till
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  Speaker 1: June sixth, so it'll give people an opportunity to get
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  Speaker 1: their ears around it. So I'm super excited we finished
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  Speaker 1: that tour and then I'll be straight the next day
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  Speaker 1: to Hobart to play a festival down here. So it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be a big couple of weeks. And we're just
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  Speaker 1: so excited because we want to see, you know, all
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  Speaker 1: those fans that have come out from all the other
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  Speaker 1: records and over the last you know, however many years,
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  Speaker 1: so we're hoping to catch up with a lot of
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  Speaker 1: old faces and new faces on this one.
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  Speaker 2: And where's the best face For people to find out
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  Speaker 2: more information about the tour and get themselves copy of
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  Speaker 2: the album.
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  Speaker 1: Best places jump on social media. Find Chasing Ghosts on Instagram, Facebook,
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  Speaker 1: There's a Chasing Ghost website ww dot Chasing ghost dot
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  Speaker 1: com dot au, or you could go to the Destroy
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  Speaker 1: Your lines on their website. Yeah, words, I was looking
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  Speaker 1: for work.
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  Speaker 2: I'll help you out mate.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks, I appreciate it. It's the baby brain. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think if you could jump on DL's website you
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: can get all the details there typical places most people
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  Speaker 1: would find stuff nice.
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  Speaker 2: Before I let you go, bro, I've actually introduced a
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  Speaker 2: new segment since last time we spoke, I've got a
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  Speaker 2: new one called photo Bomb. So basically, before I chatted
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  Speaker 2: with you, I've gone online. I've trold your social media.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I found a couple of photos.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: I want to know a little bit more about brilliant.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: First first one I got is are you actually making
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: out with a real life cobra in this photo?
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Ah? Yes, that is a real life cobra. That is.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: I went to India and spent I bought a ticket
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: in and of ticket out six weeks later. And my
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: plan was, whatever happens between these two tickets, I've got
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: to be at the bottom of the country and get
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: to the top of the country within six weeks. And
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I didn't really have a plan, and this happened as
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: a consequence picking up cobras. Yes it was, I think,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I think, and this is kind of sad. Because I'm
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: against animal cruelty, but I think that they might actually
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: knock their fangs out when they're quite little and they
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: don't tell anyone. And when I you know, I grew
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: up in the bush, used to catch snakes as a
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: kid all the time. That was what bush kids did.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: So when I seen this picking up the cobra, and
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: the cobra had no problems with him, I was just like, yeah,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I'll do it, let's go, and he's like, oh, anyone
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: and I want to do it? I was like yeah.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: As soon as I did it, as you can see,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: other people plucked up the courage to do it. But
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I thought, nah, I reckon, this is a bit of
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: a scam. I reckon, This one's pretty safe.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Did you kiss it on the on the neck like
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: you see people kissing it on the head. Did you did?
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: You go yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: That's that's Awso I would I don't care if I
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: knew the teeth were gone, I'm still not having I.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't do it.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: The other one I've got for here, it was it
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: is a gentleman by the name of Sam Newman where
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: it killed.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: This is Oh my goodness, yeah, I'm surprised. I don't
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: know where that was. Yeah, this is a dude that
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: I think is an absolute wanker. At the time, I
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: didn't think that. I didn't know much about him. I
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: knew he was an AFL player because I'd come from
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: the Northern State, so it was a bit ignorant. And
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I thought he was a very good host, and I
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: thought he was charismatic and and whatnot, and we had
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: some great banter. And then I watched several years of
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Sam acting like a real ignorant douchebag, and I felt
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: really disappointed that that's the best leadership he could bring
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: to the table. You know.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I actually young then about putting this one in because
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I wasn't sure if if, if it's true, I was
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: the same man like I used to worship the ground
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: he walked on. I thought he was the funniest bloke
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: in the world. And a couple of incidents happened and
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: it's just.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Like, well, I think it's crazy, right is that. A
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: friend of mine is like, do you know you know,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: I know what you're like, and do you know what
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: this guy's history is? And I was like nah, And
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: the same thing happened when I had a photo of
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: me and old mate from Rose tattoo and and some
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: people are like, hey, I just just letting you know,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: heads up, this is what these guys are about when
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: they're not sort of hanging out with you trying to
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: be cool. And I'm like, all right, well, it's pretty
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: disappointing stuff because you know, the nice enough chaps to
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: work with and a professional capacity. But I think once
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: you start having white supremacists open white supremacists on your podcast,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: I think that's a rap. It's time for you to
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: go to the nursing home with the old white supremacist.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: And I can't really say it on your.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: There's no turning back from something like that.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Disappointing. It's disappointing.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Jerry. Thanks for your time, bro. I always love speaking
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: with you. Brother always needs a conversation. Feel I've learned something, mate.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to be coming to the Brisbane show
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: on the fourteenth for sure, and shake in your hand,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: my briend.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Absolutely we'll have a beer together. Thank you so much,