Latest / Living Deeply with Markieta Carter / When Your Tears Are Met With Anger
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- 0:00Hey, it's Markita, and welcome back to the Living Deeply podcast.
- 0:04This episode is personal. I'm talking about something that happened to me recently,
- 0:09but I'm also talking about a pattern that took me back to experiences from my marriage.
- 0:15After this recent interaction, I wasn't just hurt. I was ashamed.
- 0:20I was humiliated. And for a while, I was more embarrassed about the fact that
- 0:25I cried that I was focused on what was actually said to me before I started crying.
- 0:31And I've had to sit with that because I realized I was telling myself an incomplete
- 0:37story. And the story wasn't simply I cried.
- 0:40The story was I was grieving. I was overwhelmed. I asked for help.
- 0:46I was called stupid. I was called manipulative. And I was called the worst person in the world.
- 0:53My motherhood was questioned.
- 0:55And I cried that's the whole story.
- 0:59During my marriage, I experienced infidelity, but when I say infidelity,
- 1:04I don't mean I'm talking about one isolated incident that happened one time,
- 1:10devastated me, and then we spent the rest of our lives or the rest of that marriage healing from it.
- 1:16The pattern of betrayal continued for more than 15 years.
- 1:20More than 15 years.
- 1:23That's important context for my story because when something happens repeatedly
- 1:29over that amount of time, you're not simply processing one discovery.
- 1:33You're processing what happened before. You're processing what just happened.
- 1:37And sometimes you're wondering whether or not it's going to happen again.
- 1:41For me, there was the sadness, the grief, the fear, the insecurity,
- 1:46the shame, the betrayal, the questions.
- 1:49And trying to understand how someone I loved could continue making choices that hurt me so deeply.
- 1:55The trying to figure out whether I could trust again, the trying to believe
- 2:00things would be different this time, and the trying to continue functioning,
- 2:04while internally I felt like parts of my life had completely fallen apart.
- 2:09And then another betrayal would reopen everything I thought I had started feeling.
- 2:15So when I talk about who I was emotionally during that period of my life,
- 2:19I have to give full context.
- 2:21I wasn't responding to one moment.
- 2:23I was living through a pattern that continued for more than 15 years.
- 2:29The betrayal just didn't happen once, and that's something I understand differently today.
- 2:34When betrayal is repeated, you don't necessarily get to finish processing one
- 2:39experience before another experience slaps you in the face and becomes part of the story.
- 2:45For me, there could be hope, there could be, then there could be another discovery,
- 2:50trying to rebuild trust, and then another reason to question it,
- 2:55trying to move forward, then finding myself hurt all over again.
- 3:00And every time, I still had to live life.
- 3:04I still had responsibilities. I still had to go to work.
- 3:08I still had children. I still had to function. I still had to wake up the next day and keep going.
- 3:15So yes, I experienced anxiety. And yes, I experienced depression. And yes, I cried.
- 3:22But when I look back at that version of myself now, I don't look at her in isolation
- 3:28anymore. I look at what she was living through alone, all by herself.
- 3:34There were times when my sadness became overwhelming, but instead of always
- 3:38experiencing patience while I processed what had happened, I was told, fix yourself.
- 3:45I was told to get over it or get out. Those words stayed with me because I remember thinking, fix what?
- 3:53I'm responding to being hurt.
- 3:56And not just once i was processed trying to process betrayal that became a repeated
- 4:02pattern in my relationship how did my response to being repeatedly hurt become
- 4:07the thing that i needed fixing,
- 4:10how did the conversation move from what has this repeated betrayal done to you
- 4:15to why aren't you over it yet and here's the part that feels almost impossible to ignore now I listened.
- 4:24Because I wanted the marriage to work.
- 4:27I wanted to keep my family together and I tried to fix myself.
- 4:30Not because I suddenly stopped hurting, not because the betrayal disappeared,
- 4:36not because somebody magically restored my sense of safety.
- 4:40I sought mental health health because I needed to continue to function while
- 4:45carrying everything I was experiencing.
- 4:48I needed to function while processing grief, betrayal, fear, shame.
- 4:53And because the betrayal continued for more than 15 years, these weren't always
- 4:58emotions connected to something safely contained in my past.
- 5:04At different points, I was trying
- 5:05to heal while still living inside the circumstances that were hurting me.
- 5:10That distinction matters to me now.
- 5:12I still had responsibilities. I still had children.
- 5:16I still had a job. I still had life and at one point I was still continuing my education and.
- 5:24I just couldn't stop functioning because I was struggling emotionally.
- 5:29So I did what we're constantly telling people they're supposed to do. I sought help.
- 5:35I reached outside of myself and said, I need support processing this. I need tools.
- 5:41I need help understanding what's happening inside of me.
- 5:44I need to figure out how to continue living my life while carrying something this painful.
- 5:50And the help worked.
- 5:53That's important. Mental health treatment helped me function.
- 5:57It helped me process. It helped me understand myself.
- 6:01It helped me to continue showing up for my responsibilities while working through
- 6:05things that were incredibly painful.
- 6:09And then the help I sought became evidence against me.
- 6:13This is a contradiction I'm still processing. I was told to fix myself, so I sought help.
- 6:19The help worked and later the fact that I received mental health treatment could
- 6:24be pointed to me as evidence that I was somehow unstable. Think about that.
- 6:29When I'm struggling, fix yourself. When I seek professional help,
- 6:32see, you needed mental health treatment. Something must be wrong with you.
- 6:37So what exactly was I supposed to do?
- 6:40Experience more than 15 years of repeated betrayal and never be affected,
- 6:46struggle silently, pretend I wasn't hurting, refuse professional support so
- 6:52nobody could ever point to a mental health record,
- 6:55or seek help, get better, continue functioning, and then accept having the fact
- 7:02that I saw help being used against me. I reject that choice.
- 7:07I didn't go to therapy once, here's something I wanted to hear and decided I was fine.
- 7:14I spent years consistently receiving mental health treatment.
- 7:19I had time to examine myself, time to talk honestly about what I was experiencing,
- 7:24time to understand patterns, time to learn coping skills, and time to process what happened.
- 7:31And eventually, time to experience myself outside of that relationship where
- 7:37so much of the pain had occurred.
- 7:39And over time, what became clear through that process was that the anxiety and
- 7:45the depression I had experienced were situational and directly connected to
- 7:51what I had been living through in that past relationship.
- 7:54That realization changed the way I understood myself.
- 7:58Because for a long time, I had internalized the idea that something fundamentally
- 8:05was wrong with me because I was being told that on a regular basis.
- 8:09But eventually, I could look back at the larger picture.
- 8:12More than 15 years of betrayal, more than 15 years of trying to rebuild trust,
- 8:17more than 15 years of being hurt, trying to heal, and sometimes being hurt again,
- 8:22of course that period affected me.
- 8:24I wasn't weak because it affected me.
- 8:27I was responding to my circumstances.
- 8:30And this realization has probably given me some of the most compassion for my former self.
- 8:38For years, I was trying to heal. While the pattern of betrayal was still continuing,
- 8:44I was asking myself, why am I so anxious? Why am I so afraid?
- 8:49Why can't I trust? Why can't I get over this? But healing becomes incredibly
- 8:54complicated when a thing you're trying to heal from isn't entirely over.
- 9:00I was trying to rebuild a sense of emotional safety while continuing to experience
- 9:06things that challenge that safety.
- 9:08I was trying to rebuild trust while experiencing new reasons to question the trust.
- 9:15I was trying to process old betrayal while sometimes encountering new betrayal.
- 9:21Looking back, I completely understand why I struggled.
- 9:25That doesn't mean every response I had was perfect, it doesn't mean that I don't
- 9:30take responsibility for my own behavior.
- 9:33It means that I finally give that version of my self-context.
- 9:38Now, that was my story then, but that is not my story today.
- 9:43There was a period of my life when anxiety and depression were a part of my
- 9:47story, and I am not ashamed of that. I'm able to help others now because of that.
- 9:53I'm not erasing it, but I refuse to be frozen in that period forever.
- 9:59That was my story then. It isn't my story today. I am a much,
- 10:05much different person today.
- 10:07I've had years to heal Years to learn about myself Years to recognize my triggers
- 10:14Years to develop boundaries that actually serve me,
- 10:19Years to understand what belongs to me and what doesn't And years to understand what.
- 10:25Emotional safety means to me And I've actually had an opportunity to experience
- 10:31emotional safety up until this day And importantly,
- 10:36I've had an opportunity to know myself outside of that relationship where that
- 10:41pattern of betrayal occurred.
- 10:44And that's something I didn't have when I was living inside of it.
- 10:49I got to meet myself outside of that relationship. And that has been one of
- 10:53the most powerful parts of healing.
- 10:55I got to see what happened when my environment changed. I got to see who I was,
- 11:01when I wasn't living with the same relationship dynamics. And I got to observe myself over time.
- 11:08I got to build a totally different life, the life that I wanted.
- 11:12And I got to understand my emotions differently.
- 11:15I got to separate my identity from a relationship.
- 11:19That had shaped so much of how I saw myself. And I eventually realized the woman
- 11:25who struggled during those years wasn't the totality of who I was.
- 11:31She was a person responding to what she experienced. She needed support.
- 11:36She got support and she eventually became me.
- 11:41My mental health history is history. It's not my identity.
- 11:45And that's an important word for me now, history.
- 11:50My mental health history is a part of my history, but it isn't my entire identity.
- 11:55People change, people heal, people respond to treatment, and people leave circumstances
- 12:01that were not healthy for them.
- 12:03People develop better coping skills. People mature. People build different lives, and I do.
- 12:10So if somebody wants to define me entirely by who I was, or I was living in
- 12:16a 15 plus year pattern of betrayal, they're describing me in a context that no longer is this for me.
- 12:24That isn't the entirety of the person standing here today.
- 12:28And years later, I found myself crying again.
- 12:33My sister died. My family was devastated. My daughter missed school,
- 12:38surrounding that loss, and later missed additional time because she was sick
- 12:42and she got behind on her coursework. That's real.
- 12:46It needed attention. I'm her mother. I can acknowledge that there was a legitimate
- 12:52conversation to have with my co-parents about what our daughter needed and how
- 12:58we were going to help catch her up. And so I asked for help.
- 13:02But during that interaction, I was called stupid. I was called manipulative.
- 13:07I was called the worst person in the world.
- 13:09My motherhood was questioned and I cried for a moment.
- 13:15That scared me because Those tears made me feel like I had somehow become that
- 13:19old version of myself again. But I hadn't.
- 13:24One moment doesn't erase years of growth.
- 13:29Healing doesn't mean I'll never cry again. Although it took me by surprise because
- 13:34it had been years since I cried like that for that reason.
- 13:40But growth doesn't mean nobody will ever hurt my feelings again.
- 13:44Emotional stability doesn't mean becoming incapable of having an emotional response.
- 13:50That is part of being a human. I can be a completely different person today
- 13:54and still cry When someone says something deeply hurtful to me,
- 14:00One difficult interaction doesn't erase years of treatment One emotional response
- 14:04doesn't erase years of growth One moment of vulnerability doesn't transport me back,
- 14:12Into a 15-year chapter of my life I cried and then I continued being the person that I've become.
- 14:20I've been here before but I don't live there anymore.
- 14:25That's probably the best way that I can describe it. I have been here before.
- 14:30I recognized the feeling. During my marriage, I experienced repeated betrayal.
- 14:35I was hurt. I cried. My crying became a problem. I was told to fix myself.
- 14:41I was told to get over it or get out. I sought help.
- 14:44The help worked, and later, the fact that I sought help could be used to question
- 14:49my mental stability, but I don't live there anymore.
- 14:54A familiar interaction can touch an old wound without meaning that I return to my old life.
- 15:01A person can trigger an old feeling without having the power to turn me back into my former self.
- 15:08I know more now. I have more tools now.
- 15:12I have stronger boundaries now, and most importantly, I understand myself differently now.
- 15:18The funeral made it even more painful because I had allowed my co-parents to
- 15:24attend my sister's funeral.
- 15:26I allowed this person into one of the most vulnerable spaces my family has ever occupied.
- 15:33They witnessed what losing my sister did to all of us. They saw my family hurting.
- 15:38They saw us trying to hold ourselves together while simultaneously falling apart.
- 15:44And that's why I felt humiliated afterwards.
- 15:48I had allowed someone to witness something so incredibly difficult and intimate.
- 15:54Then during this later interaction, I was called stupid, manipulative,
- 16:00and the worst person in the world.
- 16:01And when I cried, I didn't experience the compassion I hoped for from someone
- 16:06who had personally witnessed what my family had just been through.
- 16:11But I can take accountability without accepting degradation.
- 16:16My daughter got behind. There was something I needed to address.
- 16:22I asked for help. And I can own that.
- 16:25I can make changes. I can work with her school.
- 16:29I can help her get caught up. That's accountability. But accountability does
- 16:33not require me to accept every narrative characterization someone makes about me. I can say yes.
- 16:41This needed more attention and no, I'm not stupid.
- 16:45Yes, our daughter needs supports and no, I'm not the worst person in the world.
- 16:49Yes, I cry and no, that doesn't make me unstable. Yes, I experienced anxiety
- 16:56and depression during a painful period of my life.
- 17:00And no, that period doesn't define who I am today.
- 17:04But despite it all, I don't regret getting help. I refused to become ashamed
- 17:09of the very thing that helped me move through one of the most difficult periods of my life.
- 17:14I sought help because I needed help. The treatment worked.
- 17:18And years of consistent care helped me understand something even bigger.
- 17:23What I experienced belonged to a particular chapter of my life.
- 17:28It wasn't a permanent definition of me. If I needed professional support again,
- 17:34I would definitely seek it again because I would rather get help,
- 17:39when I need it than avoid help because I'm afraid somebody's going to use it against me someday.
- 17:44I did what I was told to do, and I found myself.
- 17:48Years ago, I was told, fix yourself, soul. I tried.
- 17:53I sought help. I learned. I processed. I kept functioning. I continued raising
- 17:58my children. I completed my education.
- 18:01I continued working. I continued building a life.
- 18:05And somewhere along the way, I discovered something I wish I had understood so much earlier.
- 18:11I wasn't fundamentally broken. I was hurting and there is a difference.
- 18:16For more than 15 years, betrayal had repeatedly become a part of my relationship.
- 18:21I experienced anxiety and depression during that chapter.
- 18:25I received treatment. I processed what happened and eventually I got to experience
- 18:31myself outside of those circumstances and today I am a much, much different person.
- 18:38So that isn't my story anymore. I don't have to deny my past to say that.
- 18:43I don't have to be ashamed of a woman who struggled.
- 18:46I have compassion for her now.
- 18:49She was trying to heal while continuing to experience the very pattern that hurt her.
- 18:54She sought help. She kept going. She eventually became me.
- 18:59But her struggle isn't my identity today.
- 19:03That relationship is not my life today.
- 19:07That 15-year-plus pattern of betrayal Hell is not my life today.
- 19:11And somebody else's memory of who I was during those years doesn't override
- 19:17my lived experience of who I have become. That's freedom for me.
- 19:22My tears don't make me weep. So yes, recently I cried.
- 19:27I was breeding my sister. I was called stupid. I was called manipulative.
- 19:31And I was called the worst person in the world.
- 19:34My motherhood was questioned. I cried. But those tears don't erase the years between then and now.
- 19:39They don't erase treatment. They don't erase healing. And they don't erase growth.
- 19:44They don't erase the woman I've become.
- 19:46One emotional moment doesn't get to rewrite my entire story.
- 19:51And neither does one person.
- 19:54I know where I've been. I know what I've survived. I know the work I've done and I know who I am today.
- 20:00My mental health history is a part of my story. It's not the conclusion of my story.
- 20:06I saw help when I needed it and it worked.
- 20:10I learned through years of treatment and my anxiety and depression were situational,
- 20:14and directly associated with what I had been experiencing in that past relationship.
- 20:19And once I was able to see myself outside of those circumstances,
- 20:23I discovered something incredibly important.
- 20:27That wasn't simply who I was. It was what I was going through.
- 20:30And there's a difference. So I'm not ashamed of a woman who needed help.
- 20:34I'm proud that she got it. I'm not ashamed of a woman who cried.
- 20:39I understand why she cried now.
- 20:41And I'm not going to allow someone to reach backward into a period where I was
- 20:46trying to survive and tell me that that version of myself is all I'll ever be.
- 20:52That isn't my story anymore.
- 20:55This is Marquita, and this is the Living Deeply podcast.
- 21:00Your past can explain you without defining you. Your treatment history can be
- 21:05part of your life without becoming your identity.
- 21:08You can struggle, but you can also get help.
- 21:11You can heal. You can change. And sometimes one of the most spring realizations
- 21:16is recognizing maybe I wasn't fundamentally broken to begin with.
- 21:21Maybe I was responding to something that was repeatedly breaking my heart. I know that now.
- 21:29Protect your peace, honor what you feel, get to help when you need it, and keep living deeply.