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David Bowen: Prosperity, Pride, And Historical Patterns · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity, no topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Welcome to another podcast.
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  It's a family month, or what are some people are doing in June this month?
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  They're replacing the pride month, they're trying to focus on promoting family, natural
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  marriage, between one man and one woman, fidelity, things like that.
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  So I appreciate all those creative ways that, I mean, we should have been celebrating that
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  all along, but we got interrupted many decades ago.
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  And that's what we're going to talk about today with the guests, our guest today, David
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  Bowen, and his website is interpreting the times.com, interpreting the times.com, he's
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  a pastor, he's a writer, he's a supporter of Israel.
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  We've had him on many times, and he's just, his views are great, his articles are very,
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  very helpful as to what we're going through.
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  So I want to bring him on now and talk about what's happening this month of June.
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  David, good to see you, brother.
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  David, thanks for inviting me, it's always a joy to be on your show.
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  Thanks.
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  So you've got an article called Sodom and Gamora 2.0.
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  So we're going to get to that, yeah, we're going to get to that in 2.0 minutes.
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  So also, you've got one on tolerance, I do want to mention that because in my mind,
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  they kind of go together, the new global religion of tolerance, but the idea of the church
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  and our role in society and tolerating sin, or what the Bible says is sin, we're going
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  to talk about that.
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  But I want to mention some good news right off the bat.
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  I heard about this through Libs of TikTok.
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  Justin was going to hold a huge event, a trans-period pride.
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  What does that mean?
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  Well, Boston Mayor Michelle Wu's Office of LGBTQ Advancement was scheduled to hold a
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  trans-period pride event to discuss menstrual equity and the experiences of transgender
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  menstruators.
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  I'm not making this up.
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  There it is.
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  That was the promotion of a trans-period pride.
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  It was going to be June 17th.
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  As you said, David, they're going after young people and trying to promote this perversion.
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  But according to Libs of TikTok, the event has been canceled by the library following backlash.
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  So praise God, and I've heard there is more of this happening around the country where
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  families, conservatives, Christians, and just people who think this is just delusion
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  and ridiculous, speaking up.
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  David, your thoughts on this battle, I don't think is going to go away.
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  Well, we're just about a week and a half into June, so it didn't take long for the headlines
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  to come out.
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  In fact, I did an article on the video last week, early in the month of June, because retailers
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  are already back and off.
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  In particular, they were in the Biden administration in 2023, Target was really pushing the gay pride
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  stuff, the pride, the whole month of June, to kids and toddlers.
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  And now they've taken off, the clothing's not there, the advertiser's not there, on their
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  website's not prevalent, same thing for Walmart, same thing for things like CBS.
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  So the retailers are saying that consumers are saying they don't want this.
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  So they're respecting the preference, quote, respecting the preference of the consumers
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  and they're not advertising and selling pride stuff during the month of June.
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  So that was pretty interesting, I see that, and a lot of the professional sports will
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  also get behind and have pride days and pride events, majorly based on all this 30 teams,
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  one team has not signed on on that, the Texas Rangers.
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  So they backed off from that, and hockey, hockey was very much into pride days, and now
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  you got Minnesota, the New York Rangers, and the Chicago Black Cocks, who are backing
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  off as well.
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  You've got retail, you've got professional sports, they're saying, wait a minute, you
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  know what, people really aren't as excited about this, and welcoming as this as we thought.
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  So things are changing in 2026 versus 2023.
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  Yeah, I'm going to emphasize a few things, this professional sports leagues, they have
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  been all in woke, anti-Christian, whatever is against biblical Christianity seemingly.
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  But I do want to mention something else, back in 2016, 2017, I wrote a book called
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  Redefining Truth, and part of that was this transgender movement and the redefinition
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  of truth and biology and all these things.
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  But I wrote about Target because in, that was what, 2017, almost 10 years ago, that's
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  when they started implementing their bathroom policies at Target and putting in the LGBTQ
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  pride sections and all their stores.
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  So I'm glad to hear that they haven't reversed course, biblically, as far as their world
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  view, but they are backing off a little bit on the corporate pride, which I hope they
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  continue to lose money until they take it out completely.
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  One more story, and then when I get to your article, Sodom and Gamora 2.0 and talk about
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  what happened recently in Israel, which is not surprising, but you said they're going
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  after children, and that's true.
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  They cannot reproduce, so they have to recruit.
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  They're going after young children, even before, like grade school, even kindergarten,
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  California is one example of a school district that spends $300,000 to partner with an LGBTQ
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  center.
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  Friends, let me emphasize this.
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  This is not just one state.
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  This is one school district that's partnering with this LGBTQ center to provide affirming
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  programs, resources, and, quote, community care for minors.
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  So this is continuing on, even though some of the corporate world is backing off this agenda
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  David, in schools, not so much.
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  Talk about that for a minute.
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  What's interesting, because schools should be educating our students, correct?
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  And when we get to this month in June, when this topic comes up, or if this topic come
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  up, I just kind of ask people very gently, why is June Pride Month?
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  Why not January or October?
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  Why is June the month that we celebrate Pride?
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  And I am yet to have anybody tell me the answer to that.
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  I know the answer, but I'm yet to have anybody else tell me that.
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  So we are hopping on the bandwagon, not even sure why we're hopping on it, I think.
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  We're just celebrating something without even knowing the history behind it.
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  And I won't take the time here, but it goes back to 1969.
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  June 28, 1969 in New York City, there was some gay bars there, and the police did some
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  crackdowns, because many of the gay bars did not have liquor license, so the police went
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  in there, and one bar in Greenwich Village, they rebelled against it, a riot lasted for
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  seven days, and that's why June now becomes the month.
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  But most people don't know why we celebrate this in June, or why we acknowledge this in
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  June.
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  It's interesting.
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  Yeah.
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  So let's keep moving.
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  Sodom and Gamora 2.0, this was your article a month ago, interpreting the Times.com,
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  we want to mention because of this big event, and it was promoted as the largest LGBTQ
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  gathering held in the Middle East.
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  The organizers constructed a temporary quote, pride city, but explained to us, David Bowen,
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  the significance of this Dead Sea region and the Biblical account.
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  And I think they're just poking God in the eyes, want an expression I've heard.
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  Go ahead.
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  Well, they had.
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  When this first came out, I kind of said, my goodness, I mean, this is Sodom and Gamora.
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  We know how God responded to this type of behavior.
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  And when you go back to the time of luck, because Jesus talked about the days at the end times
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  to be like the days of a lot, the days of knowing the days of a lot, well, the men who came
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  against and wanted to be perverted in the, in when lots household there, it said the
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  men were there both young and old.
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  Well, what is young?
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  So when you say the, in the Jewish culture, 13, you become a man.
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  So do we have 13 or 14 year old kids who are trying to be perverted, you know, with the
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  name, the angel beings with, with lots of what's happening there?
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  The Bible says at age 20 in the Jewish culture, you could be a soldier.
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  So anywhere between 13 and 19, these are still kids to me, especially 13 and 14.
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  So they, the Bible warned that that's taking place.
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  And now you're seeing, again, retailers and what they're doing, why I was so strongly against
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  this, what's happening in Israel, it happened June 1st to June 4th.
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  And they had four days.
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  It was supposed to be, it's got the largest festival they're calling it.
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  It was 24, 7.
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  It was around the clock.
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  They took out all the hotels.
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  They put tents up, but they were focusing on families and kids.
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  They had special things going just for kids.
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  They wanted to doctorate the young kids into the gay and lesbian community.
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  So to me, I said, time out, and that's, that's where I kind of got my, my, my feathers
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  ruffle a little bit.
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  I kind of went more against this saying it.
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  In fact, I kind of publicly, I said, you know what, I've been praying against this.
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  You know, I heard about this, I think, in April.
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  And I started to pray against this saying, Lord, let it be rain or wind or let some kind
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  of chaos happen.
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  Just so the kids are protected down there, because I've been to Israel many times, been leading
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  groups over the ends for almost 20 years.
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  And the Dead Sea, there's one road in there.
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  And there's one major road.
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  And there's a big wadi that goes through there.
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  And if it rains, that flood, and you really can't get to the Dead Sea.
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  So I said, Lord, I just pray that something happens.
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  So that this event is not as successful as the planners are doing, just, just for the sake
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  of the children mostly.
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  So I want to mention the biblical history now and, and talk about Genesis 19.
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  I read an article, by the way, there were five cities destroyed by God due to their rebellion
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  and corruption and perversion.
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  By reading an article, the years ago on biblical archaeology or something, they were digging
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  up, you know, things of that area and what they believed to be, the area around Sodom
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  and Gomorrah.
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  And they found this ash and these different substances that scientifically they could figure
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  out that these things were burned up and it happened quickly, like a meteor or something
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  and they attributed it, of course, to something else and not God.
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  But I found it to be fascinating.
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  So there is evidence.
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  This is a true story.
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  We do believe the whole Bible, France from Genesis to Revelation.
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  So David, talk about the modern day and biblical parallels that you say are striking.
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  I thought that was an interesting part of your bullet points.
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  Well, again, the culture openly celebrating sin.
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  We have a parallel there, which we're doing again today that the world continuing to say
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  everything is normal and accepting things as normal and going about life as if it was
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  normal without looking at the consequences.
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  I'm not being too concerned about their spiritual conditions.
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  Again, another parallel going back to the days of Lot and that area has been confirmed
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  there.
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  In fact, when you're there, you can still smell the sulfur there.
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  But remember, when they went out there, they had a choice, Abraham and Lot, he said,
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  you choose the side you want to go to and Lot picked the greenest, luscious area so
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  we know what it was like and we know what it's like now when God did destroy those five
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  cities.
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  You have parallels of there, you also have a progression as well that's a parallel.
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  Basically you have some prosperity, Lot and Abraham are very wealthy and then you have
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  no pun intended, if you pride is kicking in that they can do it themselves, they're okay.
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  And then you have rebellion, moral rebellion, and then you have judgment.
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  So what we saw in the biblical aspect, we'll also see in today and to see Israel doing
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  this, especially when they're in the time of war and they need God's hand of protection
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  on them more than ever, and to see Israel doing this, the very same sin and the very same
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  spot, knowing how God has responded to it and living as life is normal and everything
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  is okay and bragging about it, that's the pride coming in, bragging, this is going to
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  be the biggest event ever in the Middle East.
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  So let me ask you this, this may be speculation on your part, but do they really know what
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  happened historically and biblically?
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  Do they really know what the Bible teaches on this or do they just not believe it?
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  What are your thoughts?
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  The ones I've talked to, the guides I've had over there who are Jewish and not all of them
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  are Messianic, in fact most of them are not, I do, Dead Sea is on my list, I do a tour
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  and we go down there and they do say that that's Sodom and Gomorrah.
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  So they do understand that, they don't recognize the New Testament obviously, but they do recognize
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  what happened there and they will kind of brush it off, hopefully we learn for a lesson
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  from that and then they would say something like that and then you see a event like this
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  coming back to this.
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  The question is, is this a culture event?
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  If you look at it through normal eyes, you're going to say it's a culture event.
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  If you look at through spiritual eyes, this becomes a prophetic event.
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  So there's a major difference, a culture event and a prophetic event because we have warnings
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  about what's happening.
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  Again, the Bible describes Sodom as being immoral, being defiant, being rebellious, Genesis
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  13, Ezekiel expanded on that and Ezekiel 16 with the warning of that.
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  So God has been very clear in the Old Testament about the warning not to do and we are we
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  living history all over again.
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  So let me now briefly shift over to America, I'm concerned when I see how you you talked
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  about this repeated progression, starting with prosperity and then pride, are we do you
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  think as a nation generally, not necessarily the church, but some of the church, but the
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  nation as a whole are in the place of moral rebellion because we know what comes next.
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  Absolutely.
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  What happens is sin becomes celebrated and righteousness is rejected.
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  So when those two things happen, when we embrace and celebrate sin, encourage sin, and
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  then when we take righteousness and we can flat out reject it and that's where the tolerance
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  comes in, the second article you want to mention is exactly what you're talking about
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  in the parallels with America.
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  We are following in the same path.
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  And I think we will receive the same type of judgment.
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  Patterns of history.
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  I want to emphasize something before we take a brief pause.
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  You say celebration becomes endorsement, endorsement becomes normalization and normalization
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  becomes culture, right?
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  So you say the Dead Sea is a symbol for our time and very interesting how it's called
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  dead for a reason.
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  It's the lowest place on earth, lifeless, unable to sustain living organisms and it stands
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  as a geological witness to destruction.
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  That's pretty clear about what it is historically, but what also we understand it is biblically
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  and why God had to destroy these cities.
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  One more thing.
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  Go ahead, David.
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  Add a tidbit to that.
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  That is interesting.
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  Well, again, I'm over the talking to people who are not who are who Jewish and they only read
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  the Old Testament.
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  And someday the Dead Sea would come back to life and they kind of look at me like, what
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  are you talking about?
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  And I think I said to you, in your Bible, Ezekiel says there will be a time when there will
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  be fish in the sea and people will be fishing there and so on and so forth.
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  And they think it's crazy.
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  They've never read that before and they say, go to your Bible, the Old Testament and they
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  do.
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  And David, what's happening over there now is the Dead Sea is it's having sinkholes everywhere.
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  And these sinkholes can be as large as a bus.
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  I mean, they're huge sinkholes and what they're finding.
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  I did a whole video on this.
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  What they're finding is there are fish, tiny fish actually swimming in the sinkholes.
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  Of course, the end times life is starting to come back to the Dead Sea area and that's
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  that comes back.
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  What does Satan do?
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  He brings in this pride festival and calls it this great celebration.
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  Well, we know he doesn't win in the end, but anyway, friends, the next article we're
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  going to talk about, the redefinition of tolerance and other things with David Bowen.
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  So David, let's talk about tolerance.
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  Your article from the end of May was called or is called the new global religion of tolerance,
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  but we understand if truth has been redefined, we know that tolerance, of course, that's
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  easy.
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  You can redefine tolerance.
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  The question is, how should Christians respond to this idea?
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  We are supposed to be the most tolerant people.
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  Is tolerance loving?
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  Is tolerance always compassionate?
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  Talk to us about that before we dive into your article.
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  Well, again, tolerance becomes now the supreme value or virtue, let's say virtue basically
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  in our culture.
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  What does tolerance mean?
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  That word has changed over the last few decades.
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  It used to mean you would have your opinion, I would have my opinion, we could agree to
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  disagree and be fine.
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  That would be intolerant.
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  Now if you have an opinion and I disagree with you, I am now intolerant.
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  And what happens, the word tolerance has become intolerant if I have a different opinion.
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  So from the biblical standpoint, we have to stay true to the word of God.
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  And that's where some of the persecution comes in, that's where some of the hate speech
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  that we're accused of basically, I mean, what is hate speech?
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  When you have ethics over truth because they will use the ethic, you know, well, you
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  have to have ethical points and you have to be accepting of everybody.
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  And then you have unity over doctrine, what we believe, that leads to faith without repentance.
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  That leads to unity without truth.
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  And if we don't have truth, we really have unity.
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  So we have to stay true to the biblical text.
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  So here are a few questions or thoughts that you can expound on as we talk more about
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  this, David.
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  Last civilizations offer a warning about where our culture is headed.
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  We know that.
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  We just talked about it in your first article, Biblically, and patterns.
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  But what can we learn from history in America?
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  What can we learn and are we willing and when I say we, maybe I'm talking about the church
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  because people that aren't saved are that unbelievers, it's not on their radar.
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  They don't care.
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  You know, want to talk about patterns of history or they don't get the warnings, but the
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  church should.
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  But before it's too late, will the church repent and wake up and is that necessary in
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  your eyes?
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  Well, brother, you're talking to a pastor as well.
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  So my heart is with the church and I hope that I pray that the church does wake up.
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  I think we have that opportunity now.
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  But when you look around, spiritual eyes and ears are closed.
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  And it's just we're getting to that point with the Bible talked about with the remnant.
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  I believe we're getting close to that remnant stage.
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  And I think we're even seen in the church when you get to apostate, what's that mean?
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  It's not just people walking away and quitting church.
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  It's people not living out biblical practices and living out biblical principles.
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  So to adapt to the culture and say, this is what the culture is accepting.
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  So to be accepting to the world, to be seen as loving and to be seen as Christian to
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  the world, that I have to act and believe this way.
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  And I recently had a friend who went to a wedding and she doesn't drink.
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  I almost say Reese says a couple years ago, she doesn't drink, but she went to the wedding
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  and she had a few drinks.
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  And to her, she ruined her witness to all her family because now they saw her doing
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  this.
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  I thought you were a Christian.
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  And we talked about it.
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  I said, you know, if you go back and have sorrow and repent over that, your faith is
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  going to be seen as real.
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  And she did that.
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  And that's exactly happening.
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  And they go, that really did bother you because to the herd, you're having a few drinks
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  or people having a few drinks, but nothing to them, but for her to come back and say, I
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  shouldn't have done that.
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  That bothered me.
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  I have sorrow over it.
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  It made her faith become real.
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  So when we look at the world that's accepting, you know, these virtues and these ethics as
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  being tolerant, when we say, wait a minute, this is not really what love is.
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  This is not what acceptance is.
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  This is not in your best interest.
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  Then it becomes real.
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  Hopefully that's how the church can respond to it.
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  I want to mention, we were talking before we got on the podcast, David and I were talking
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  about Dictionary definitions.
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  And one of them, one of my go-tos is Webster's 1828 Dictionary Market, guys, Webster's 1828.
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  And here's the definition then of tolerance, very, very simple, but you're going to be surprised.
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  This from the Latin, it's a noun.
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  It says to bear the power or capacity of enduring or the act of enduring.
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  Does that say anything about approving of things that you believe are wrong?
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  Does it say anything?
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  It's talking about endurance or to bear up under something.
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  Go ahead.
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  Your thoughts, David?
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  Well, how do you have morality without repentance?
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  How do you have spirituality without salvation?
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  And that's very popular.
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  When you look at being a spiritual person, if the universe wills it, that's pantheism.
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  That's not theism.
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  So when you look at unity without truth, really what the truth is, when you look at compassion
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  without conviction, what is compassion?
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  And all these things, again, the conviction, the truth, the salvation, the repentance is
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  the biblical aspect of it.
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  But the secular side of this is the morality, the spirituality, unity, and the compassion.
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  And they use those words like we should understand them, but you can't have it just halfway.
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  So that's where this whole thing gets kind of, gets jumbled up and the church gets confused.
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  Because I do want to have compassion, but how do I have it if I'm not convicted?
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  I do want to have unity, but how do I have it if I don't have truth?
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  Interfaith stuff that's happening all the time, we have to accept and believe everybody,
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  that's part of the tolerance.
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  So if you have a different God or a different belief system or different ethics, how am I
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  showing truth if I come along and say, okay, I will lock arms with you and agree with you?
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  The two can't walk together, you're unequally yoked.
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  So let's talk about three bullet points in your article.
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  This is under tolerance becomes the highest virtue.
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  These are three things, friends, and this is just sobering when you think about this,
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  but David lays it out very clearly.
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  Disagreement becomes hate.
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  Exclusivity becomes dangerous.
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  This is the way the truth and the life.
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  No one comes to the Father except through him that becomes dangerous.
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  And biblical conviction becomes divisive.
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  And that's what's sad when we're talking now back to the church.
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  There are some in the church that don't have a lot of conviction on biblical issues or
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  maybe they're not, they don't agree with certain biblical ideas or teachings or doctrines
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  and they think it's just divisive.
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  Go ahead and share whatever you'd like.
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  Well, that's where people need to really be into the Bible, understand the Bible,
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  because the world will look at this and say, those are the terms that you will feel.
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  So you're a Christian, you're at work, you know, you want to talk to your fellow co-worker
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  or your neighbor and they're calling you divisive, they're calling you hateful,
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  they're calling you uncompassionate, because that's how the world sees it.
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  And if we don't have a biblical understanding, so the way their church responds
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  is understanding the scripture.
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  And I think we're lacking in that area.
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  As a pastor, I'm lacking, I think we're lacking in that area.
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  I also teach at a Christian university, I teach Christian worldview and many of the
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  students that come in, not all, but many of the students who come in have grown up in
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  the church and David, they don't have a general sense, they don't have a basic foundation
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  of the fundamentals of the faith.
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  So when the world comes and accuses us of being divisive, well, what you're trying to
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  do, you're trying to divide people, you'll be in divisive.
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  They feel guilty about that and they feel like they're doing something wrong.
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  So okay, maybe I need to be acceptance.
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  So again, where is the truth in that?
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  Where is being unequally yoked?
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  How do you come along and tell them the gospel is the only way?
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  So that is divisive, that is what the way the gospel is designed, but it's for the best
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  interest and for the most loving thing we can do for eternal life.
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  So yeah, you will be accused of those things and that's where that whole tolerance and
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  intolerance gets separated and has changed, as you said, over the course.
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  I mean, tolerance is now the supreme virtue.
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  If you're not tolerant, you have no virtue.
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  The gospel is exclusive, but it doesn't the Bible say whosoever will believe God so
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  love the world that He gave His Son that whoever believes whoever.
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  So it's an open invitation, really, but it is exclusive because Jesus is the only way.
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  I want to just have you wrap up in the last couple of minutes, sorry, David Moran, on
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  a time so quickly, but you do talk about this one world spiritual environment and the
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  new global religion of tolerance and what it's going to produce.
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  You talk about different things like interfaith initiatives, Abrahamic faith movements, shared
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  worship services.
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  It's just tell us about the end of your article, maybe a couple of points there before we
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  wrap up.
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  About 15 years ago, you all 15 years ago, Chris Lomb was a big thing where we're taking
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  Islam and Christianity and putting together.
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  We worship the same God.
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  We have the same thing.
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  So Abraham's the father of, you know, that was a big thing about 15 years ago.
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  When you look at that, pantheism and theism, what's the difference?
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  When you pray, do you pray to a personal God?
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  Do you believe that God answers your prayer?
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  Do you believe that God's involved in your life?
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  When you get into pantheism, they don't.
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  They may believe that God created everything, but then God looked at our own thing.
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  We can take it and do what we want to do with it.
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  Theism believed that God is in my life.
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  I can pray to Him and He will hear my prayers.
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  So when I understand theism and pantheism, that's a big difference between tolerance and
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  intolerance, between virtue and between Christianity.
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  We need to be students of the Bible and understand what God is asking us to do.
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  And yes, there will be the world will come against it and the world won't get it.
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  We have to understand that and accept that.
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  We cannot compromise.
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  Amen, brother.
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  And one of the final points, several at the end of your article, you say, real love refuses
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  to compromise eternal truth for cultural acceptance.
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  Oh, yes.
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  So let's heed these warnings, friends, and understand.
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  Be discerning, loving discerning, but yet bold in our stance on biblical truth.
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  And let's try to win people with the true gospel.
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  David, final thoughts in about 30 seconds just to encourage people who are maybe struggling
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  with how to respond to all this.
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  Loving people is not being silent.
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  Loving people is not accepting everything and welcoming everything.
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  Loving people is being in the hands of feet of Jesus, but bringing the truth out and
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  telling them what's about to come and what God has them.
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  People are just ignorant.
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  When I say that, they're not stupid.
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  They're just not aware of how deeply God loves them.
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  Amen.
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  Amen.
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  Let's be voices of truth.
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  And thank you, David, for what you shared.
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  Great writings, great blogs at interpretingthetimes.com.
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  Check those out.
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  And also, as YouTube channel, interpreting the times, you can find many videos there in
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  teachings.
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  Brother, we appreciate your ministry.
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  We thank you for your time today.
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  I appreciate you.
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  Thanks, David.
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  All right, brother.
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  Thank you again for sharing the podcast and for your prayers.
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  God bless you.
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  And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.