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Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein And The Four Females Who Made His Operation Possible (Part 3-4) (5/9/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: In to the political article from Tara Paul Mary and
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dive in to the third episode. Here today we're going
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to be talking about the assistance, or, as I've dubbed them,
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the Core Four. Now, none of this would be possible
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or would have been possible, I should say, without these
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women working hand in hand with Gilean Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein. Sure,
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Jeffrey Epstein would have been able to chase his dark
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proclivities and probably get away with it, but not on
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a grand scale like we see here, not to the
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level that we see in this case and in previous cases. Now,
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the only reason these four women aren't in severe trouble,
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in my opinion anyway, is because of that non prosecution agreement.
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If it wasn't for that nonprofit prosecution agreement, all of
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these women would have been charged in this original case
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down in Florida. They're all named in court documents, and
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obviously they were protected by this non prosecution agreement parties
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named and parties not named. Remember, so these women, the
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Core four, have been able to skirt under the radar
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for the most part and not have to face the
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consequences of being involved in a straight up criminal enterprise.
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That wasn't just involved in human trafficking, but you had
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a slew of other criminal activities that they were engaging
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in on a regular basis. You can start with the
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money laundering, you can start with the tax evasion, you
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can jump into the witness tampering, all of it. And
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yet somehow the core four, these assistants that we're going
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to talk about in a second here, and the other
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people who are integral in this operation getting off the
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ground and the operation running, still have not even been charged. Now,
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could there be something going on behind the scenes. Could
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there be plea deals being cut? Possibly? Could there be
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sealed indictments We don't know about. Very possible. But as
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it stands now, with what we know and what we
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can point to that is concrete, well, none of these people,
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the assistance here, the core four, have been charged, and
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it's an absolute travesty that that has occurred. The Gelean
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Maxwell's a good start. There's no doubt she definitely deserves
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to be charged here. She definitely deserves to sit down
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in front of a jury of her peers and explain
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what's going on, because, let me tell you what, the
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allegations against her are strong, and they are many, and
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the same goes for the Core Four. So these women,
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these lieutenants working underneath Gilay and Maxwell to advance Jeffrey
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Epstein and Gley Maxwell's agenda, well they have to answer
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for it. So I'm glad that Tara Paulmery really dug
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into the weeds here and drops such a in depth article,
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not one that just goes into one aspect of the case, right,
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an article that deals with all the different tentacles, you know,
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the main threads of the case. And it's about time
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somebody did that, and it's about time the Core four
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were put on blast once again. So today, for part
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three of our ongoing political article, we're gonna talk about
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the Core four and the Assistance again. This article was
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authored by Tara Palmery and it was published by Politico.
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The Assistance. One of the most astonishing things about Epstein's
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empire was its scale. Hundreds of women and girls were
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allegedly abused one hundred percent. One of the most insane
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things about this whole operation was how big it was.
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Now a lot of times you hear about this this
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kind of thing, right, and it's happening in a bubble
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almost to where the person someone like Jeffrey Epstein or
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Keith Rainiery, where they can almost control things right, everything's
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really guarded and the people are part of like almost
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a cult. And while I think that was the case
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here as far as the people engaging in this, meaning
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Epstein in the Core four, they had like cult like behavior,
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but it was different because they were bringing in random girls,
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new girls all the time, and they were able to
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get away with it because this intricate webb, this network
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that they had set up, and none of that would
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have been possible without people like Sarah Kellen Vickers or
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Adriana Ross or Leslie Groff. None of this would have
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been possible just with Maxwell riding around in a car.
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Epstein survivors needed to be arranged, compensated, and instructed to
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bring more survivors. A second tier of women employed as
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assistants kept the wheels of the sex trafficking enterprise turning.
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And it's very crucial that people understand this right. It's
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not only the person who is sitting at the top
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of the food chain, per se, the person in charge
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of the operation. There are a bunch of moving pieces
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that have to work together in coordination or an operation
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like this cannot run. And that's where the Core four
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came in, grooming, setting up travel arrangements, paying money out,
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normalizing this sort of behavior, and in some cases, according
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to some of the survivors, partaking in the abuse themselves.
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None of these women has been charged with wrongdoing connected
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to Epstein, but they have been named in legal documents
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and by survivors. And that's the key, right, And that's
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the path that I try to stay on here on
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the podcast at the very least, and make sure that
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the people we discuss are people that have been named
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by the survivors or in these court documents. I think
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it's important to stay on task here, right, stay on target,
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because it's obvious we're over the bombing range. It's obvious
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we're over the target. Just take a look at what's
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come since twenty nineteen to where we are now, look
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at what has happened, and look at the progress that
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has been made as far as this case goes. Now
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nowhere near enough, right, but at least it's moving forward
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and not stuck in neutral or hell moving backwards like
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it has several times in the past. Sarah Kellen Nadio,
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Marson Kova, Leslie Groff, and Adriana Ross all were named
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as unindicted co conspirators in Epstein's two thousand and eight
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non prosecution agreement. And those four are who I have
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dubbed the core four. If you're not hip to that yet,
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if you're new to the podcast or maybe catching it
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for the first time, the four lieutenants of Jeffrey Epstein,
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Sarah Kellen, Nadia Marsenkova, Leslie Groff, and Adriana Ross were
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the glue that held this all together, so to speak.
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Without them, this could not have been done and performed
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on such a grand scale, according to lawsuits filed by
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Epstein's survivors, court testimony in police reports, Kellen, Groff, and
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Ross were tasked with scheduling and managing the teenage girls
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coming in and out of his homes, including collecting contact information,
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taking messages, and arranging the girl's travel. Now, how in
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the hell can that not be classified as conspiracy? You're
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telling me that's not a criminal conspiracy. You have all
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of these people working together in tandem, hand in hand,
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one person setting up the travel, another person taking care
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of paying the fazules out, another person setting up how
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the massage is going to be and then at the
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very top of it, scumbag himself, Jeffrey Epstein sitting there
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with his disgusting, ass ugly face ready to finish it
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all off. Is absolutely disgusting that these women a would
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engage in this shit and b that they would be
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protected under that non prosecution agreement. If anything has ever
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been deserved to be lit on fire and burned and
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scattered into the four corners of time, it's that stupid
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ass non prosecution agreement. Oh, the Eleventh Circuit Court of
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Appeals had their cats, but of course they shit the bed.
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Of course they didn't pursue justice. So these women, the
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Corps four, are left out there living the living their
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best lives. Look at Sarah Kellen Vickers, married to a
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NASCAR driver Leslie Groff, living it up, Adriana Ross Nadiam
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marson Kova. Meanwhile, these girls have to scrape and claw
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just to get recognition by this compensation fund that ran
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out of money. By the way, it's an absolute joke.
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And I don't know how the SDNY and the prosecutors
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aren't all over this. Kellen, who is also gone by
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the name Sarah Kensington. I mean, give me a break
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with that name. I don't mean to digress, but really, Hi,
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I'm Sarah Kensington. I'm from Kensington Court. Would you like
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to come over and have some t That's what she
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was going for with that name, right, some kind of
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like posh ass wanna be English name? Was she following
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in the footsteps of her favorite, her her buddy, her boss,
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Gilay and Maxwell? Is that what she was looking for?
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Sarah Kensington, give me a break? Forty one was Epstein's
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personal assistant. In lawsuits and survivor interviews, she has been
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described as Maxwell's lieutenant or second in command. Oh yeah,
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that's exactly how she has been described, and that's the
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role that she played, according to these survivors. But Sarah
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Kellen Vickers, is she and she busted? Nah? She in jail. Nope,
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she indicted as far as we know. No, she is not.
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What she is is protected under that non prosecution agreement.
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Though I wonder how many people are rotting away in
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jail right now for much less offenses because they didn't
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have a big homie Jeffrey Epstein to hook them up
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with a non prosecution agreement. But Becky with the good hair,
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Oh she gets hooked up right. Such a joke. It's
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such a joke, and it's a scam. And I don't
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know about you, folks, but I'm tired of it. I
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am absolutely tired of the way the laws applied in
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this country now. It's being you know, the way, it's
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being used by certain actors to go after political opponents,
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and that goes for both sides of the aisle. By
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the way, it's an absolute travesty and a joke. If
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they can do that to people with a lot of power,
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do any of us really ever stand a chance these
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agencies they're out of control with whatever game they're playing
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right now, and they've certainly lost sight of the of
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the target, and that target is to bring people to
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justice who deserve it. There's not enough of that going
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on these days. And this big black eye that's staring
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everybody in the face, that's the Jeffrey Epstein case just
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personifies that. Multiple survivors have said in court documents that
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she was instrumental in their abuse, including escorting them up
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to Epstein's room. When police began investigating Epstein's behavior in
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Florida in the mid two thousands, they sought an arrest
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warrant for Kellen, though the Palm Beach County State Attorney's
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Office denied the request, citing insufficient evidence. Yeah, more like
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our back room arm twisting by Dershowitzen company. We all
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know that shit was a farce. We know that that
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non prosecution agreement wouldn't have been served up to anybody
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else but to Jeffrey Epstein, mister Rich Rich rich Eaton. Ah,
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no problem, make sure we hook him up. He has
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a lot of powerful friends. He has a picture of
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Bill Clinton on his wall. He's paling around with Donald Trump. Oh,
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he knows Prince Andrew. Oh he's friends with Bill Gates. Oh,
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Leon Black, they're fast friends. So of course this guy
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gets the hookup, right, His friends get the hookup. Becky
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with the good hair gets the hookup. It's Kellen whom
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Courtney Wild thirty three, remembers most vividly from the day
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she first walked through Epstein's door in Palm Beach in
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two thousand and two. Wild was just fourteen, still in
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middle school, with a mouthful of braces to her. Kellen's
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friendliness made the situation seem normal, and that was the function,
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right for Kellen. There's a reason Epstein didn't have a
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bunch of dudes around him, right, he didn't. He wanted
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these girls to feel comfortable, these little girls, So we'd
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have other women around him, vibrant, well spoken, well dressed,
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got the nice haircuts, you know, you know the type.
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And their job would be to normalize all of this shit,
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make the scheduling appointments and all of that stuff. And
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Sarah Kellen Vickers was at the forefront of all of it.
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But somehow, well somehow, she's somehow gets a pass. You're
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fourteen years old and you go to a mansion and
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then Sarah Kellen, I mean she's a beautiful woman too,
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she's very nice, you know, escorts me upstairs. Wild said
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in an interview, it's weird, but I just kind of
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went with the flow of what everybody else was doing.
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And again, that's part of the normalization process we talk about.
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If everybody else is doing it, then it's normal, right.
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And when you're an impressionable youth a lot easier to
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be swayed. You're much more malleable, and these people know it.
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You add to that the fact that these kids, these
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young girls come from broken homes, disadvantaged homes. They don't
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have money, and you add that as another carrot dangling.
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It's not hard to see how these girls fell into
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the trap and ended up in this spider web. But
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would they have fallen into this trap if it was
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Jeffrey Epstein and three dudes sitting around? I highly doubt If, folks,
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some dude approaches these young girls while they're on the streets,
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well what kicks in right away? Stranger danger, Some well
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spoken becky with the good hair looking girl shows up though,
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whole different ballgame, right You got that trust factor right away,
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because in society, we don't ever think or want to
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think anyway that a woman would engage in something like this.
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We think that, you know, oh, girls are gonna preten
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a woman's gonna protect a woman and not let something
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like this occur. But unfortunately that is not the case.
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It's weird, but I just kind of went with the
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flow of what everybody else was doing. In two thousand
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and eight, Wild through the federal government for violating the
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rights of Epstein survivors by striking his non prosecution agreement
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without their knowledge, a case that is ongoing. She has
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been a public advocate for survivors' rights since and has
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spoken openly about her story. And that's a little tidbit
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right there. Right. The case is ongoing, according to Tara
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Palmery here, so maybe she knows something that we don't.
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Maybe they are going to kick it up to the
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Supreme Court. I remember them saying that they were thinking
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about it, but I don't know if a decision had
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been made. I really hope that they do, because I
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think that the Supreme Court will take a look at
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this and understand that the law is what the law
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is here, and the amicust prefiled by those who you
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know wrote the law probably should weigh in and be
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a heavy factor. It should certainly mean more than the
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interpretation of some idiot judge who graduated from Harvid. The
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people who wrote the law might have an idea of
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what it's meaning is. And for her to say about how,
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you know, she went with the flow and everybody else
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was doing it there, that was part of it. Again,
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it's huge, right. The psychological effect of something like that
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is big. When you're introduced to something and everybody is
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doing it and it's normalized in the group that you're with,
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then it's normalized behavior for crack addicts when they're all
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hanging out in the bando beaming up to Scottie. That's
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normalized behavior to you and I. It's abhorrent and it's
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horrifying to us and scary. Right, we see something like that,
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we're like, holy shit, what the hell? But not for them,
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that's normalized. To them, that's everyday behavior. Same with people
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who live in a war torn country hearing mortar fire
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and bombs blowing up and car bombs going off in
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front of the school. Unfortunately, you get desensitized to it
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and it becomes normalized. And we see that with the
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survivors with Epstein and as part of their grooming process.
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Once she was recruited, Wilde says she was told she
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had another option instead of having sex with Epstein, she
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could be paid to recruit others. And that was another
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part of it, right. Epstein and his people knew that
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if they were crafty enough and they said, oh, we're
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paying these girls, we're giving them money, then they could
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set it up for later on and say, well, they
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were prostitutes, we were paying them for their services rendered.
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We didn't know they were under a And that is
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exactly the defense Jeffrey Epstein used, and the fact that
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the state prosecutors let him get away with it is laughable.
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That's like getting pulled over, being drunk out of your brain,
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failing the breathalyzer and still getting off. Somehow quite obvious
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what was going on here? And she wasn't alone. During
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her raid on Epstein's house in two thousand and five,
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police found phone logs signed by Kellen with the names
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of teenagers who were called for confirmation of work. So basically,
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Sarah Kellen Vickers was running around like a madam here
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calling girls in, sending him out, signing off on paperwork.
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What more do you need SDN why to prosecute? I mean,
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are you guys for real over there, Maureen Comy, can
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you guys prosecute Sarah kell and Vickers and the Core
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four please? For their partner all of this at the
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very least, don't you think they should come in and
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speak with you guys under oath. Now again, I might
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be missing the mark. They might have already done all
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of this behind the scenes, but somehow I think that
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would have leaked. We know that there's all sorts of
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leaking issues that go on at the SDNY, so I
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would be shocked that they were able to keep this.
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Mum's the word. But maybe they have, and maybe we'll
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see a superseding indictment that names all of these people
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as well as Maxwell in a grand conspiracy case, because
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that is exactly what it is. Folks. It's all right
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here in black and white. If you don't think a
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grand jury would indict on this, I don't know what
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to tell you, because Vemo certainly would. Epstein essentially was
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running an enterprise at Royal Palm Beach High School. According
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to survivor testimony given to the Palm Beach Police, each
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team would earn around two hundred dollars if she brought
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a new friend to Epstein. And the fact that they
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were able to keep this basically quiet for this long
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is insane. I remember being in high school. Nobody could
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have a secret. You told one person, forget it. Everybody knew.
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So how the hell was he able to keep all
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of this running in this sort of fashion if he
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was not being protected, if he didn't have help from authorities,
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people to give him a head's up, if an investigation's coming,
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some politician friends to give him a little wink wink,
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nudge nudge, Yo, Jeffrey, Shit's on its way, because there
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is no way these kids weren't talking about what was
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going on. In fact, that was part of their job
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to tell other kids, right, I want you to come.
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So how anyone could say that this was sort of
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secret or that nobody knew is laughable. This spread throughout
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the school. Although Palm Beach is known for its wealth,
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surrounding towns are less affluent for girls from underprivileged families.
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Two hundred dollars was a big deal. While was living
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in a trailer park at the time with a mother
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who struggled with addiction, she told me she feared she
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would become homeless without the money she was earning from Epstein.
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And unfortunately, you see those kind of stories all the time,
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right in this case, Courtney Wilde turned to Epstein with
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that money and to the situation she found over there,
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other girls turn to the streets and start turning tricks,
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get caught up with a pimp, and before you know it,
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they don't even know that they're being trafficked. And that's
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the sad reality of all of this shit for the
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forgotten amongst us. So when everybody's out there virtue signaling
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and talking all the bullshit that they talk. Ask them
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what are they doing for their community? What are they
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doing besides being a coffee shop revolutionary and pounding out tweets.
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If you want to mosh folks, you gotta get in
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the pit. Kellen visited Epstein during and after his first
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incarceration multiple times, according to prison records. And that's another thing, right,
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You aren't gonna tell me that you're victimized by Epstein,
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or you're a victim of the situation or anything like that.
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And you're visiting this dude in prison. Stop it. Nobody's
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buying that. Who's gonna buy that? Maybe the weirdo's over
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at the compensation fund you're gonna buy it. But nobody
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who's rational is buying it. Nobody in society, nobody following
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this case. You're not a victim. You had ample time
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to go to the police. In fact, you were protected
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under a non prosecution agreement. So I don't want to
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hear shit from anyone protected from that with that thing.
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But she considers herself one of Epstein's victims too. Born
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into a strict family of Jehovah witnesses, she started working
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for Epstein when she was twenty two. After divorcing her
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first husband and becoming a strange from her parents and community.
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I love how they like as she sets it up, right, like, oh, well,
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she was born into a Jehovah witness's family, Okay, and
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plenty of people born into Jehovah witnesses families that don't
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end up helping human traffickers and engaging in that behavior.
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Weak ass excuse, How about some personal responsibility? What's ever
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happened to that nobody is down with personal responsibility. Let
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me be very clear, every single problem in my life,
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every hurdle I have had, for the most part, has
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been self created. I have no one to blame for
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any circumstance in my life but myself, not society, my parents,
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not my neighbors, not some dickhead politician. My own bad
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decision making has screwed me more times than not. It
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would be nice to see some of these people take
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some personal responsibility. Oh my daughter, Oh my religion, oh
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my peg leg Enough already, when Sarah was targeted by
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Jeffrey Epstein and Gielean Maxwell, she, like many of their victims,
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was struggling financially and emotionally. Her spokesperson said in a statement.
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Soon After saraw was brought into Epstein's world, he began
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to sexually and psychologically abuse her, abuse that endured for years.
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But still she didn't go to the police. Still she
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was protected under the non prosecution agreement. Where's her big
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statement to the media, When's she's going to sit down
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for an hour long conversation with Tara Paul Mary. She's
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not about that life, She's about positioning herself as a victim.
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I'm sorry, but I do not believe it. Look, there's
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a very fine line in this case, and I'm certainly
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not the arbiter of who was a victim and who
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is not, and I never will try and be. But
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when it comes to bullshit like this trying to gaslight me,
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oh no, sorry, that's not gonna happen. Okay, there's no
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gray area here for me, Sarah Kellen, Vickers, and the
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Corps four all need to be brought in and put
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under oath and in my opinion, my humble opinion, charged
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with rico. Kellen's representative said Kellen did schedule appointments and
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massages for Epstein and Maxwell, but that's she never recruited
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young girls for them. The spokesperson would not say whether
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Kellen has applied for survivor's compensation. Well, again, let's get
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her under oath and let's see how her tune changes
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now that Big Cis Maxwell got herself caught up Big
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Cis Max is getting busted for perjury. Let's see how
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quickly the rest of these serpents are willing to lie
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under oath. Wile told me it's upsetting for her to
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hear that Kellen calls herself a victim. How could you
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do this? She said tearly She was over the age
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of twenty one, so I feel like she was in
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a state of mind to make good and bad decisions,
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and she repeatedly made the wrong decisions. Courtney is being
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way too kind here, and I get it. Courtney is
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not you know, that's not her who she is. She's
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not gonna come out and just eviscerate Sarah Kelln Vickers.
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But I will. I don't have no chill. I can
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get ignorant when that's the road that has to be traveled, folks. Oh,
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I can put on my ignorant hat, believe it, and
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sometimes it's called for. And when you're dealing with people
28:52
like Sarah Kelln Vickers, Adrianna Ross, Leslie Groff, and the
29:00
rest of them. Well, sometimes you just got to call
29:03
it what it is. And Sarah Kelln Vickers and the
29:06
rest of these girls are not victims. Okay, they're not
29:10
victims of Jeffrey Epstein. Marson Kova. We can have a
29:13
conversation about her. That's about it. Though, if you didn't
29:16
go and speak to the police as one of his assistants,
29:19
as one of his core four after he was arrested,
29:24
then you also are still culpable for the crimes committed
29:28
while working with Epstein point blank period. Police reports have
29:35
stated that another assistant of Epstein's, Marsonkova, now thirty six,
29:40
engaged in sex acts with Epstein's survivors nearly two decades ago.
29:45
And again, Martenkova is a weird case, right. It's said
29:49
that she was purchased from her parents as a juvenile
29:52
herself and groomed from adolescence, you know, teenage years into
30:00
what Jeffrey Epstein wanted her to be. So I think
30:03
that there is some gray area with marson Kova now,
30:06
enough gray area for her not to serve any penalty
30:09
or serve any jail time. I don't know if there's
30:12
that much gray area. After Epstein was jailed in Florida,
30:18
she visited him at least fifty four times, according to
30:21
media reports. In a statement to Politico, her lawyer said
30:25
that Marsenkova, too was victimized by Epstein. According to a
30:30
Palm Beach police report, Epstein once told a survivor that
30:33
he had purchased marson Kova at age fifteen from her
30:37
family in Yugoslavia to be a sex slave. So right there,
30:41
that shows you what I'm talking about with marson Kova.
30:44
There is gray area with marson Kova for sure, and
30:47
I think that she definitely needs some sort of penalty. Right.
30:52
Nobody should skate from this, but I certainly don't put
30:55
her in the same category as I do. Kellen. Now,
31:00
people might disagree, and I'm not gonna. I wouldn't even
31:03
argue it with you, to be honest with you, if
31:04
you wanted to go harsh on her, because I get
31:07
it we're talking about crimes perpetrated against children. But when
31:14
you're dealing with somebody who was purchased from their parents
31:16
at fifteen by somebody like Epstein, you have to think
31:19
that the psychological effects are severe. And the trauma is
31:24
severe and the normalization of it all. So I'll leave
31:29
that up to the experts. When it comes to martian Cova,
31:34
Nadia wants to speak out about her victimization and help
31:37
Epstein's other survivors. The lawyer's statement said, Unfortunately, she is
31:42
not yet able to comment publicly. The lawyer would not
31:45
say whether marsion Cova has applied for victims compensation. Now
31:50
again a little too late in my opinion, Nadia, I'm
31:54
going to see the guy fifty four times while he
31:56
was in jail. Come on now, stop it so again.
32:03
Compensation Nope, your compensation was all the money you raked
32:06
in while you were working for Epstein, your pilot's license
32:09
and all of that. That was your compensation that you
32:12
got from ill gotten gains. By the way, that if
32:14
any of us were involved in well, we'd be facing
32:17
a rico suit. Ross thirty eight, who also has gone
32:23
by Adriana Mucinska, has avoided commenting about her association with Epstein,
32:29
including refusing to answer questions in a twenty ten deposition.
32:33
She did not respond to requests for comment. Yeah, Adriana
32:37
Ross or Mucinska, she does not want to talk about
32:41
this at all. She knows the deal. She understands that
32:44
she has big problems here in this case. If they
32:47
decide to go down that road. She is certainly a
32:50
key player, one of the core for one of Epstein's
32:53
big time assistants, and it's time for all of them
32:57
to get caught up in this dragnet Groff fifty four,
33:03
worked as Epstein's executive assistant in Manhattan when she was
33:07
in her thirties. Yeah, I guess we're gonna say that
33:09
she was too young, too right. She didn't know any
33:11
better as well. Leslie Groff had no idea what Jeffrey
33:14
Epstein was Give me a break. According to court documents
33:22
filed in a twenty nineteen lawsuit by survivor Jennifer Areos,
33:27
Groff was critical in facilitating Epstein's sexual abuse. She looked
33:31
after Epstein's survivors, booked their travel and made sure they
33:35
maintained rules of behavior. Now, let me ask you a question.
33:38
Say you were in a drug cartel and you were
33:42
the bookkeeper, right, you were, you know, taking care of
33:46
the books, making you know, the travel, blah blah blah,
33:51
And the head of that cartel was busted and the
33:52
whole thing was busted. Do you think you would get
33:56
let off and you wouldn't be brought up on charges
33:58
of conspiracy? Hell no, In for a penny, in for
34:02
a pound, every single person involved would be getting charged.
34:06
Why is that not the case here? Why does the
34:10
federal government still refuse to slap these people with rico?
34:21
In a statement to Politico, Groff's lawyer said she never
34:24
witnessed anything improper or illegal while working for Epstein and
34:28
that she has always maintained her innocence in the ARREOs case. Well, okay,
34:34
well I never witnessed anything illegal either with those eighty
34:37
five thousand pounds of cocaine that shipped from Mexico to
34:41
the port in Sicily. But somehow I got when when
34:46
when everything went to shit, I'm the boss. I got
34:49
busted too. So how's that? How's that work? Oh she
34:55
didn't know, so she's immune from the law. You better
35:00
you know who you're working for. You better know what
35:02
you're getting into. That case was dropped when Areos accepted
35:08
payment from the survivor's compensation fund, which has a provision
35:12
saying applicants cannot sue Epstein's employees. It's a way to
35:16
safeguard the estate, whose executors are two longtime Epstein lawyers,
35:21
from future legal action and financial liability. And you know, again,
35:28
I'm not gonna delve too deep into the compensation fund thing.
35:32
It's not really for any of us to say, right,
35:35
If these survivors believe that the compensation fund is the
35:39
right route for them to go, then I say go
35:41
for it. If somebody feels like it's not right for
35:44
them and they're gonna sue the shit out of these people,
35:46
sue the pants off of them and go after every
35:49
single one of these people one out of time, I'm
35:52
cool with that too. It's really, you know, not for
35:54
me to decide. But I think that that compensation fund
35:57
better be doing the right thing and they better be
36:00
paying out the right amount of money to these girls.
36:06
Dan Weener, an attorney for the co executors of Epstein's estate,
36:10
wrote in an email that the provision was meant to
36:12
provide as much closure as possible. Ongoing litigation would defeat
36:17
the program's goal of fully and finally resolving claims against
36:21
the estate arising from mister Epstein's conduct. Wiener wrote, translation,
36:27
let's just get it all out of the way. Now,
36:29
if they come in one out of time, we're gonna
36:31
get picked clean and there won't be anything left for
36:34
us to dive into when the corpse is there and
36:36
we go into vulture mode. Maybe I'm just cynical, but
36:40
that's the way it reads to me. But multiple survivors
36:46
have told me the provision has made them more reluctant
36:48
to apply for restitution. The language that this document is
36:53
made up of made up of seems to only protect
36:57
a lot of the other co conspirators, and it just
37:00
seems to benefit the lawyers, Shartouni said. And I don't
37:05
think she's wrong about that. Maybe, you know, maybe we're
37:08
all just cynical, right, Maybe that's it, And these lawyers
37:11
are great people and they really care about the survivors. Somehow,
37:16
I think that the lawyers for the estate and the
37:19
people involved in the compensation fund are only worried about
37:23
their own pockets. All right, folks. That's gonna conclude part
37:28
three of our dive into Tara paul Mary's awesome article
37:34
The Women who enabled Jeffrey Epstein. We will be back
37:40
tomorrow morning with part four. If you'd like to contact me,
37:45
you can do that at Bobby Capucci at ProtonMail dot com.
37:49
That's bo b b Y c ap U c c
37:52
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37:56
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38:03
All of the links that go with this episode can
38:06
be found in the description box Our Parah Paul Mary
38:10
Piece over at Politico and we're gonna pick up where
38:13
we left off. Now, yesterday we finished off and we
38:17
were talking about the assistance or who I have dubbed
38:22
the core four. Today we're gonna pick right back up
38:28
in the article and we're gonna talk about the recruiters. Now,
38:34
for those of you who followed this case for a
38:36
long time or quite some time, you know that there
38:39
are many, many levels to this and many different people
38:44
took part. You had enablers, you had recruiters, you had groomers,
38:49
you had a whole litany of people who were involved
38:53
in making sure that this operation ran the correct, correct
38:59
way and that things went the way that Maxwell and
39:04
Epstein planned them to. And some of the most important
39:09
people inside of that chain were these recruiters and the
39:18
system that Epstein had set up where he would get
39:21
one girl from the high school to come and get
39:25
involved in his disgustingness and then sending her back to
39:29
recruit more friends with the promise of money not only
39:34
gave him a pipeline to these young girls, but it
39:38
also gave him a way out if he was ever caught.
39:42
And we saw that all come to fruition after the
39:46
first arrest in Florida when he got the non prosecution
39:50
agreement on the back of using the excuse that he
39:55
was simply just a john and he was out there
39:58
looking to turn some tricks. And all of this was
40:03
premeditated by Jeffrey Epstein and I'm sure his team. I'm
40:09
sure Darren Endyke played a part him being the in
40:12
house lawyer. I'm sure that these ideas were bounced off
40:16
of him and they came up with the strategy that
40:18
would benefit Jeffrey Epstein and his disgusting proclivities. But he
40:25
couldn't do it himself. Oh, I'm sure he could have
40:29
abused a few girls, right, But there's no way that
40:33
Epstein could have done what he did for as long
40:36
as he did with as many girls as he did
40:39
it with if he didn't have this huge network set
40:43
up to help him, to help the situation itself stay
40:50
kind of in the shadows, but certainly off of the
40:54
radar of a real investigation. And all of these moving arts,
41:00
all of these pieces of this machine working hand in hand,
41:06
are exactly why this case should be a Rico case.
41:10
But somehow we're still sitting here all these months after,
41:15
and for some reason or another which I can not
41:19
figure out, it is still not a Rico case. And
41:25
not only that, the only two people that were facing
41:29
charges for this, you know, the guards that fell asleep supposedly, well,
41:35
they had their sentence basically thrown out. They're gonna do
41:41
some community service over it. We're gonna talk about that.
41:44
I'm gonna do an episode about that at some point,
41:48
either later today or tomorrow. But again, there is no
41:53
accountability whatsoever. Nobody's in jail besides Gilaine Maxwell. You mean,
41:58
it was just Gilain Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein doing this
42:00
in a vacuum on their own, with no help from
42:03
anybody else. Huh. It's ridiculous. And this Tara Paul Mary
42:11
piece goes to show you again and again how many
42:15
people were really involved in this, and it leaves you
42:20
with the question of where are the other arrests. So
42:28
let's jump into this article from Politico authored by Tara
42:31
Paul Mary, and let's continue our discussion about Jeffrey Epstein's
42:36
criminal enterprise when we pick it up today talking about
42:41
the recruiters. Beyond Maxwell and Epstein's assistance was a larger,
42:48
more informal network of women who were lured by Epstein's gifts,
42:53
cash trips, college credits, apartments, are access to his powerful
42:58
contacts to bring other women to him. And that was
43:03
the game that Epstein played, right. Epstein would he collected
43:07
these women, these girls, and then he would set them
43:11
out into whatever industry they worked in or whatever social
43:16
circle they ran in, and he would bring in other
43:19
girls to be part of the scheme, to be part
43:22
of the plot. And all of that occurred because of
43:29
the money. Right, if you have enough money, you can
43:31
spread it around and get things moving in the direction
43:34
you want them to move. And that is why I'm
43:37
so adamant about the money hunt in this case, about
43:41
chasing down the financials. That's why we've laid out the
43:44
fence and files the way we have, why we've talked
43:46
about the Panama papers, why we've talked about hashtag open
43:50
lux because the financial pathway here is the proper pathway,
43:56
in my opinion, if you're looking to really go after
43:59
all of these people, even the ones that were on
44:01
the periphery, then the pathway to get there is financially.
44:07
Anybody telling you any different is blowing smoke up your ass.
44:13
These people are shrewd and they're calculating, and they know
44:17
how to cover their ties and cover their tracks, and
44:22
the only way to nail them a lot of times
44:25
is through that dark money, the same dark money that
44:28
allowed Epstein to build this whole entire operation. He was
44:35
able to float this dark money to these people and
44:38
in turn build the enterprise and build the pyramid scheme basically,
44:45
and the whole while giving himself the cover by paying
44:49
these girls and saying, well, they were prostitutes. I was
44:53
just a simple john, and the lame ass, bitch ass
45:00
authorities let him slide. In some cases, they scoured nightclubs
45:09
or restaurants for Epstein's type, which he described to Wild
45:13
and other survivors as the younger the better. Now. The
45:19
first time someone says that to me is the last
45:23
time I ever speak with them. The younger the better,
45:25
some grown ass man. Now I get it. Courtney Wilde
45:28
is a different situation. She was engaged in being abused
45:32
by this man I'm talking about in general, as a
45:36
man or a woman or whatever. And you're in some
45:39
kind of social setting and someone even makes a joke
45:42
like that, I'm looking at you sideways. Probably not the
45:49
subject to joke about, right, But unfortunately, it wasn't a
45:54
joke with Jeffrey Epstein. It was real, and the nightmare
46:01
that all of these survivors were living and are still
46:04
living through, unfortunately was real as well. Epstein's survivors commonly
46:12
use the term recruiters, including in court allegations, to refer
46:17
to the adult women like oh, who sought out others
46:20
for Epstein and who they believe should be held accountable
46:23
for their actions. Look, I agree with that one hundred percent.
46:28
I'm certainly not some sort of specialist in this field. However,
46:32
like when it comes to like human emotion and what
46:35
drives humans to do this sort of thing, and all
46:38
the other circumstances that surround the predicament that some of
46:42
these women might find themselves in. Look, I'm certainly not
46:45
capable of delving into that end of the pool. All
46:50
I can talk is from you know, the Peanut Gallery
46:53
as an observer, And for my money, any adult who
46:59
is out trying to bring a child to Jeffrey Epstein
47:02
or somebody like Jeffrey Epstein should be held culpable for
47:05
their actions. There's no excuse for a grown ass man
47:12
or woman to bring somebody to a guy like Jeffrey Epstein.
47:16
I don't care how much money you're being paid, I
47:19
don't care about any of it. You have to draw
47:26
the line somewhere right. And then if you don't draw
47:29
that line later on down the road, when it's all
47:32
exposed and your name pops up, you can't cry foul
47:36
and cry victim. Then right, where were you when people
47:40
were actually being victimized? Oh that's right. You were bringing
47:43
these girls to Jeffrey Epstein like pigs to the slaughter.
47:49
So when we're looking back on this now with revisionist history,
47:55
it's gonna be a hard sell, at least for me,
47:58
for these recruiters to try and posit themselves as victims.
48:03
I'm sorry, but that dog just does not hunt with me.
48:06
A grown ass adult should know better. Still, recruitment in
48:15
Epstein's world was a gray area. Even the adult recruiters
48:19
were still much younger than Epstein, and insidiously, Epstein often
48:24
tasked the miners he abused with bringing their friends to
48:27
him too. Look, I don't I don't really care that
48:33
they were young adults and Jeffrey Epstein was much older
48:36
than them. I don't. I don't think that that is
48:41
an excuse for you bringing other young girls to this
48:45
man to be abused, especially if you were being exposed
48:49
to that abuse yourself. We're not talking about El Choppo here, folks, right,
48:55
We're not talking about you know, some sacario who is
49:00
murdering people. Any one of these recruiters, these adult recruiters,
49:05
could have at any time went to the police in
49:08
Palm Beach, who already had this investigation open. They could
49:14
have contacted any prosecutor basically, but they didn't. And what
49:20
have they come forward? And Stan even talked about any
49:22
of this this arena old lady, or any of them
49:25
if they weren't called out onto the carpet. You see,
49:29
when you're compelled to do something, and you're forced to
49:32
do something, I'm not giving you your props for that.
49:35
I'm not giving you a fist bump for that. Where
49:37
were you for all of these years. Why are you
49:40
coming out now that you might have some liability? Now
49:43
it's a big problem. Now you got to get out
49:45
in front of it. I'm not buying it. I'm sorry.
49:51
It's unclear exactly how many adult recruiters Epstein had and
49:55
who they were. Many of their names remain hidden. Pay
49:59
all those Polly, the founder of a modeling agency in
50:02
New York, told me Epstein's recruiters were so rampant in
50:05
Manhattan that they became known as the in the modeling
50:09
and nightclub world, as Jeffrey's Girls. Now, the nightclub angle
50:14
is an angle that has not really been explored as much, right,
50:18
and it's certainly interesting to me to look at things
50:21
from that angle. So if anybody is out there listening
50:24
to the podcast and you were working in the club
50:27
scene in New York during that time, and you got
50:30
some tea to spill perhaps about what occurred, hit me up.
50:35
You guys know the email addressed by Now shoot me
50:38
an email. Let's talk about it, because there's there was
50:41
definitely an element to this, and probably several elements to
50:46
this that are still being overlooked. That's how vast this
50:50
criminal enterprise was and again, it just makes me shake
50:54
my head that there is not a Rico charge hanging
50:58
over all of their heads that would give the government
51:02
a lot of ability to do things that they can't
51:07
do otherwise. Shartouni, who consented to be named for this article,
51:17
was a twenty year old model from a small town
51:19
in Alaska and a recent transplant to Manhattan when Oh
51:23
brought her to Epstein's massive townhouse. And again with this
51:27
rena o lady, she certainly has come out with guns
51:29
blazing in her defense, right, and hey, look, she's more
51:33
than entitled to tell her story, and I'm more than
51:35
willing to listen, but things just aren't adding up to
51:38
me now. Again, Remember this is my opinion, right, I'm
51:41
not the be all, end all, the arbiter of truth
51:46
in this case. I'm just a guy like most of you,
51:49
who was pissed off seeing what happened here, looking at
51:52
the incredible injustice, and decided to start running his fat
51:57
y app about it. And if my opinion resonates with
52:00
a lot of you out there, which it seems to,
52:01
that's great. But I'm just you know, I call it
52:05
how I see it here on this podcast, and for me,
52:09
I just don't see how someone like Rina Oh should
52:13
have any kind of status as a victim here. She
52:20
could have went to the authorities. She never went to
52:23
the authorities. Why did her name have to get brought
52:26
up by one of the survivors and on Antara Palmery's show,
52:30
Why did the survivors themselves have to bring her name
52:33
up if she was so worried about what was going
52:36
on and she was also victimized here. And again, look,
52:39
I'm not saying at some point Epstein wasn't crude with her,
52:42
or that Epstein didn't abuse her in some sense he
52:45
might have. That was his mo He was a sick bastard, right,
52:49
So don't get me wrong. I'm not, you know, completely
52:57
void of empathy, right, I get it. It's a it's
53:00
a confusing situation. There's a lot of things going on here.
53:04
But at the end of the day, I'm big on
53:06
self responsibility. I'm big on adults having self responsibility. And
53:11
if you were an adult and you were bringing other
53:13
girls into the viper's den, you were bringing other girls
53:17
in to this spider's web, then you need to have
53:23
a real accounting as well, and you need to come
53:26
forward and speak to the authorities once again, where was
53:29
she for all of these years? Now, all of a sudden,
53:35
water's getting a bit hot. Eyes are starting to turn
53:38
to you. You get out on this show, and all
53:41
of a sudden, now you were a victim as well.
53:45
And she might look she might have been right, she
53:48
might have been, But does that excuse her bringing other girls,
53:52
some of them under age, to Jeffrey Epstein. I'm sorry,
53:56
but it doesn't. It is literally like Alice in Wonderland,
54:03
like walking through the rabbit hole. As soon as you
54:05
got in that door, Shartuni told me. She recalls that
54:09
Oh asked if she wanted to meet a friend of hers,
54:11
which could be interpreted in so many different ways, Shartuni said,
54:15
And that's the disingenuous part that I have a problem with. Right,
54:21
Rena Oh knew what Jeffrey Epstein was. She had brought
54:25
other girls there before. So you can't act like you're
54:30
innocent here. You can't act like you had no idea
54:32
what was going on. You know what you were bringing
54:34
Shartuni over there for. You knew what the deal was.
54:37
This young girl from Alaska, pie eyed in New York City,
54:41
and you're gonna slide in and act like you know,
54:43
oh yeah, I got this great guy for you to meet.
54:45
He can further your career. Here's an idea. If you
54:51
really are a victim like Rena and some of these
54:56
other gals say they were, then instead of bringing girl
55:00
Whilse to Jeffrey Epstein, you should have brought Jeffrey Epstein
55:03
to the authorities. Oh made it seem also so normative,
55:11
she said, I was just like everyone had a part
55:14
and I didn't know it. After the incident with Owen Epstein,
55:18
she never saw him again. So again, when we talk
55:21
about it being normalized, that's not just a spitballing, right.
55:25
The survivors themselves have talked about how when they would
55:28
walk into a place like this, everything was normalized. The behavior,
55:32
the actions, the way people conducted themselves, the way people behaved,
55:36
the crude touching all normalized. And from my vantage point
55:44
or from your vantage point, that's not our scene, right,
55:47
we don't. For us, we'd walk into that and we
55:49
know right away that that shit something was wrong. But
55:53
people who are brought up in this or brought into
55:57
this and this behavior is normalized through the grooming process.
56:01
It's just normal to them, and I know, it's hard
56:06
to comprehend, right, It's hard to put yourself in that
56:09
position where you're like, how could you ever get I
56:13
get it, I get it. You know, we all have
56:16
different upbringings. Some of us are more skeptical than others.
56:19
Some of us had parents who drilled it into our
56:22
heads to distrust everybody, basically like my parents. And then
56:26
you know, you have other people whose parents might not
56:29
have been around, maybe not because they're drug addicts or
56:32
bad people, but because they were trying to put food
56:34
on the table. What do you think the fairy godmother
56:39
of nutrition is showing up with a basket for your kids.
56:43
It's either go to work or tang sandwiches. And if
56:46
you ain't ever been poor, well, those are actual, real
56:49
choices people have to make in life, folks. So I
56:55
can understand how this can happen, right, I can understand
56:59
how these girls can get caught up in this. But
57:02
for somebody like Rina Oh or these other adults who
57:06
were involved in bringing these girls there, grooming them and
57:09
normalizing all of this, I'm hard pressed to find any sympathy.
57:14
Now again, I'm not the arbiter of truth here. I'm
57:17
just a guy with an opinion. But the real victims,
57:24
the real people who deserve empathy here are the young
57:28
girl's children in a lot of cases, that were brought
57:31
against their will into the spider web of this madman
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by these unremorseful assistance. When pressed about Shartuni's allegation of assault,
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oh admitted to being in the room with Epstein and Shartuni,
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but said, my side of the story is I did
57:52
not abuse anyone period. People that knew about him wanted
57:56
to meet him, and I brought those people their period.
58:00
So again, she's very combative, right. She comes across as yeah, right,
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this has nothing to do with me, I'm a victim too,
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almost as if it's a guaranteed position for her. Well,
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some people might feel that way, and that's fine, and
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I'm not gonna sit here and make pretend that what
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she did was okay, though I think what she did
58:26
was repugnant, was gross, was wrong, and I believe that
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she might be culpable here. Now, the statue of limitations
58:35
might say differently, and the prosecutors might say something else
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as well while they're busy doing whatever it is that
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they're doing. But I think that with statements such as this,
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she brought people there that knew about him and wanted
58:52
to meet him. I'm pretty sure that that's not the case.
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Pretty sure that miss Shartuni didn't want to be abused
59:03
by Jeffrey effing Epstein. All right, So please with that
59:08
sort of combative nature, that sort of combative nonsense, what
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do you think you're gonna find? And from people who
59:14
are following this case, you don't have any remorse. She
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insisted she did not know Epstein, which how excuse me?
59:26
She insisted she did not know how Epstein would treat
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Shartuni today. O says Epstein abused both her and Hartuni
59:33
in the encounter, which is part of the reason she
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is seeking victim compensation. Herself may have right, more like
59:40
greed would be my guess. Okay, and you know your
59:46
side of the story is what exactly that you engaged
59:50
in this sort of behavior with Epstein? And this was
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the only time. I mean, come on, let's just end
59:57
all of this now, and the prosecutor should bring her
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in and put her under oath. Let's get her under
1:00:04
oath and let's see what her story is. Then. Enough
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of the bs with these people, all of them, every
1:00:09
single person who is being accused of this needs to
1:00:13
be brought in, put under oath and have a conversation
1:00:16
had with them with the seasoned interrogator. By the way,
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a spokesperson for the Compensation Fund declined comment for this article,
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but the fund is published guidelines stating that individuals who
1:00:31
allegedly assisted Epstein in procuring other victim survivors can apply
1:00:36
for compensation where there is a credible basis to determine
1:00:40
that the individual acted under duress as a result of
1:00:43
her own sexual abuse by Epstein. Now again, I am
1:00:47
certainly not an expert in the field in the area,
1:00:51
right I'm not a psychologist. I tell you guys that
1:00:55
quite a bit, and as you know, I try not
1:00:58
to swerve out of my lane ever when it comes
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to situations like that. But I don't think that this
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is an acceptable parameter for the compensation fund. It gives
1:01:09
an out to a lot of these people who should
1:01:12
be getting an in, and when I say an in,
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I mean an invitation to jail. So this compensation Fund
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again seems like a good idea, But boy, there sure
1:01:29
are some questions, and I have my doubts about the
1:01:33
people who are managing this fund. Folks, I'll just be
1:01:37
straight up, point blank honest with you Feldman and the
1:01:41
rest of them. I smell weasel. Camille Biros, who helps
1:01:49
set up the Epstein Compensation Fund but is not involved
1:01:53
in determining its payouts, said adult women like oh could
1:01:56
be eligible for compensation based on factors such as as
1:02:00
the frequency and level of abuse they faced, its impact,
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whether they were threatened, and what kind of corroboration is provided. Boy,
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those are weak ass parameters. Those are weak ass parameters.
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So what the whole core for is gonna end up
1:02:14
getting some money out of this? That would be the
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ultimate slap in the face, spit in the eye. Imagine
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if you're one of these survivors and the people who
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helped you be abused, the people who groomed you, the
1:02:28
people who recruited you, were also positing themselves as survivors,
1:02:33
as victims, and we're getting money from the compensation fund.
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I would look at that personally as money being taken
1:02:41
right out of my pocket, food off of my plate.
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And there is nothing more unacceptable, in my opinion than
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when that occurs. These people are absolutely without shame in
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my opinion, these so called victims of Jeffrey Epstein, who
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were really recruiters, who were really abusers. It is a
1:03:10
very very shameful situation. If they are not a minor,
1:03:17
maybe their mental capacity is not up to the number
1:03:20
of years old they are, said Bureaus, who has managed
1:03:23
high profile compensation funds for victims of terrorist attacks, plane crashes,
1:03:28
and sexual abuse. There are a number of things to consider.
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I think the number one thing to consider is what
1:03:35
sort of misery was caused by these recruiters bringing these
1:03:39
girls to Jeffrey Epstein. Furthermore, if you did not go
1:03:43
to the authorities after the incident, after Epstein was arrested
1:03:47
the first time, you should lose all rights to compensation,
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point blank period, no discussions, no pass go and certainly
1:03:59
not collect than that two hundred dollars. That should be
1:04:04
the parameters of this. Anita Tika, senior director of the
1:04:13
anti trafficking program at the New York nonprofit Safe Horizon,
1:04:17
added that is not unusual for sex traffickers to enlist
1:04:21
their victims as recruiters to protect themselves from legal jeopardy.
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Oh boy, this is so? Is this really the road
1:04:32
we're gonna travel down? Now? You're really gonna gaslight us
1:04:37
and try and set it up like these people like
1:04:40
Grena O or Sarah Kell and Vickers, like they were
1:04:44
victims here. The only victims, in my opinion anyway, that
1:04:51
should bear no responsibility are miners underage girls who brought
1:04:55
other girls into this. Short of that, if you were
1:05:00
an adult and you were engaging in this, I don't
1:05:02
want to hear no bullshit. If you didn't go to
1:05:04
Jeffrey Epstein, I mean, if you didn't go to the
1:05:07
authorities after Epstein was burned the first time, then I
1:05:10
really don't know what to say to you. I really
1:05:12
don't have any empathy for your situation at this point.
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If you were abused by Epstein, obviously I feel sorry
1:05:19
for you, and it's a shitty situation for anybody, but
1:05:23
that doesn't give you a pass for abusing others. Biros
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also said she believes unequivocally that any miner who brought
1:05:36
others to Epstein is not at fault, for sure, one
1:05:39
hundred percent. No miners should ever be at fault in
1:05:41
a situation like this. Robertson Wilde, for example, both of
1:05:48
whom came from disadvantaged families, were tasked with finding friends
1:05:53
for Epstein. Again, when you're a little girl, a little kid,
1:05:58
a miner, there's a whole different instead of playing rules
1:06:01
on the playing field, when you're an adult and you're
1:06:04
bringing these girls in minors especially, come on, I don't
1:06:08
have any remorse for that. But when Roberts learned that
1:06:16
Oh Too had called herself a survivor of Epstein's, her
1:06:20
response was unambiguous. I am never ever going to forgive
1:06:25
her and definitely do not consider her to be a victim,
1:06:28
she wrote in a text message. And I land on
1:06:30
the side of Virginia here with that. Now again just
1:06:34
my opinion, but I don't look at Rena oh or
1:06:38
any of these other recruiters or assistants or groomers as victims.
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I'm sorry, but I just can't do it. After all
1:06:45
we have learned all that we know, and the fact
1:06:48
that there is no remorse from most of these people,
1:06:52
it just really makes me ill. Instead of remorse, it's
1:06:57
trying to save face in dead and again, it's nobody
1:07:03
accepting personal responsibility for their behavior. It's always somebody else's fault.
1:07:07
It's always somebody else. Shartouni, who has received compensation from
1:07:15
the victim's Fund said she has found some healing in
1:07:17
the fact that O said she was sorry about the experience,
1:07:21
and perhaps even a degree of solidarity with another woman
1:07:24
who was caught up in Epstein's web. You don't know
1:07:27
how much you can ask of people with this kind
1:07:29
of situation, Chartuni said, they're all traumatized as well. And again, look,
1:07:36
I think that it speaks volumes of the person that
1:07:40
Miss Shartouni is to even begin to think about forgiveness.
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But I will say that it goes a long way.
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Carrying the burden of resentment, carrying the burden of anger,
1:07:53
carrying the burden of revenge is a heavy burden to carry.
1:08:00
So if you're able to shed all of that weight
1:08:04
from yourself and forgive people like miss Shartuni is seemingly
1:08:10
doing here, or at the very least finding some you know,
1:08:14
ground where you're able to at least move on from
1:08:19
what occurred at least a little bit, then that's certainly
1:08:23
a huge, huge compliment to the person who Miss Shartooni is.
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Because I have to tell you, folks, I wouldn't be
1:08:29
able to do it. I'm a vengeful type of MF
1:08:33
and I hold a grudge when it comes to something
1:08:36
like this, So it really goes to show the sort
1:08:43
of character, the sort of person the Miss Shartooni is
1:08:46
in a situation like this, after all that has occurred,
1:08:49
all that has happened to her, she is still willing
1:08:52
to try and see the forest through the trees. And
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it just shows you how amazing not only Miss Shartooni is,
1:08:59
but the other survivors, after all they went through, after
1:09:04
all that they have suffered. It's not about for it's
1:09:08
not about revenge. It's about justice, healing and being able
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to move on all right, folks. That concludes episode four
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of Are The Women Who Enabled Jeffrey Epstein's series by
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Tara Paulmery. The next episode will be tomorrow morning and
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we will pick up right where we left off. If
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