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The Force Behind Spiritual Evolution: Discovering the Source of Our Inner Fire · Deep Transformation

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  Welcome
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  to
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  the
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  last
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  part
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  of
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  our
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  three
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  part
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  dialogue
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  with
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  Hameed
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  Ali
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  aka
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  A.
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  H.
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  Almaas
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  in
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  which
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  we
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  continue
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  to
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  explore
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  the
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  logos
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  and
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  creative
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  dynamism
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  and
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  how
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  that
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  creative
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  force
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  is
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  specific
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  to
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  the
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  human
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  soul
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  and
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  causes
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  us
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  to
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  burn
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  with
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  the
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  desire
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  for
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  liberation.
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  This
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  force
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  is
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  the
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  force
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  that
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  is
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  responsible
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  for
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  human
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  spiritual
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  development.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  deep
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  transformation
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  Self,
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  society,
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  spirit,
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  life
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  enhancing
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  paradigm
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  rattling
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  conversations
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  with
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  cutting
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  edge
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  thinkers,
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  contemplatives
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  and
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  activists.
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  With
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  Dr.
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  John
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  Dupuy.
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  The
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  invocation
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  of
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  particular
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  realizations
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  is
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  part
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  of
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  a
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  developmental
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  process
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  which
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  brings
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  us
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  to
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  a
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  very
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  important
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  topic
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  in
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  this
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  chapter
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  that
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  kind
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  of
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  builds
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  from
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  everything.
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  You've
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  spoken
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  earlier
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  about
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  the
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  creative
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  dynamism
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  of
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  reality,
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  that
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  it's
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  ordered
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  by
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  the
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  logos.
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  There's
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  an
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  order,
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  coherence,
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  harmony
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  to
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  it.
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  But
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  there's
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  also,
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  you
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  point
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  out
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  a
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  developmental
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  aspect
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  to
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  creativity,
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  that
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  a
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  kind
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  of
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  intelligent
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  developmental
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  process
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  seems
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  to
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  be
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  inherent
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  in
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  creativity.
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  And
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  you
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  speak
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  of
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  this
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  as
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  one
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  facet
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  of
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  it,
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  as
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  the
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  optimizing
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  force,
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  that
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  there
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  is
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  a
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  dynamic
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  or
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  dimension
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  which
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  unfolds
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  aspects
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  of
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  creation,
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  particularly
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  of
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  course
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  the
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  human
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  being.
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  But
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  more
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  than
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  just
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  the
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  human
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  being
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  unfolds
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  entities
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  so
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  as
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  to
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  first
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  develop,
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  mature,
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  but
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  also
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  to
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  better
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  embody
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  and
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  express
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  being.
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  Yeah,
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  so
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  and
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  this
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  is
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  a
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  very
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  important
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  point
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  because.
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  And
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  also
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  it's
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  an
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  important
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  point
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  that
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  also
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  differentiates
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  the
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  west
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  from
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  the
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  east
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  and
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  the
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  east.
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  If
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  you
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  look
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  at
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  the
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  non
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  dual
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  teaching
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  in
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  the
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  east,
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  like
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  Mahamudra
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  talks
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  about
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  one
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  taste
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  or
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  equalness,
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  everything
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  is
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  the
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  same.
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  So
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  but
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  that
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  is
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  true
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  in
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  the
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  state
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  of
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  non
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  duality.
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  Nothing
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  is
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  better
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  than
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  anything
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  else,
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  they're
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  all
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  equal.
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  However,
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  that
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  doesn't
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  take
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  into
• 2:28
  consideration
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  the
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  question
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  of
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  dynamism
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  that
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  happen,
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  the
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  creativity
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  when
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  the
• 2:34
  dynamism,
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  and
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  they
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  do.
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  I
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  mean
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  blockchain
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  does
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  have
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  dynamism
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  talks
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  about
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  display
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  and
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  Muhammad
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  talks
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  about
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  manifestation,
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  but
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  they
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  don't
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  talk
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  about
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  that
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  the
• 2:49
  display
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  has
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  an
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  order.
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  That
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  is
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  we
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  could
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  see
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  as
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  a
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  human
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  being
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  that
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  evolution
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  to
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  it
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  has
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  a
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  development
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  to
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  it.
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  So
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  I
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  don't
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  think
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  it
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  is
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  an
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  accident
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  that
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  the
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  theory
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  of
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  evolution
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  develops
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  in
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  the
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  west,
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  you
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  know,
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  or
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  that
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  the
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  science
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  that
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  we
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  know
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  it
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  developed
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  in
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  the
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  west.
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  Because
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  the
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  Western
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  mind,
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  based
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  on
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  the
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  Greek
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  kind
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  of
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  logos,
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  has
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  in
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  it
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  the
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  perspective
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  of
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  development
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  change.
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  And
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  there
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  is
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  change.
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  Change
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  is
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  implicit
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  both
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  east
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  and
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  west,
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  but
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  the
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  change
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  in
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  the
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  west
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  is
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  also.
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  There
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  is
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  a
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  possibility
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  of
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  development.
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  Not
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  always,
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  but
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  it
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  is
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  one
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  possibility.
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  So
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  one
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  thing
• 3:37
  we
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  see
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  is
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  that
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  there's
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  an
• 3:39
  order
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  to
• 3:40
  the
• 3:40
  creativity
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  that
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  we've
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  seen.
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  Meaning
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  it
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  makes
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  sense
• 3:45
  to
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  how
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  Things
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  happen.
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  Makes.
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  Makes
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  what
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  appears
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  sensical
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  and
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  meaningful
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  and
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  appears
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  as
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  experience
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  of
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  life
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  loving
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  that,
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  however,
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  and
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  on
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  top
• 4:00
  of
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  that
• 4:01
  it
• 4:01
  also,
• 4:02
  if
• 4:02
  you
• 4:02
  look
• 4:03
  at
• 4:03
  it,
• 4:03
  it
• 4:03
  will
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  show
• 4:04
  that
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  you
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  are
• 4:06
  experiencing
• 4:06
  yourself
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  as
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  also
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  that
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  your
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  life
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  is
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  changing.
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  Not
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  only
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  changing,
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  but
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  you're
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  learning
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  more.
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  There's
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  more
• 4:16
  learning,
• 4:17
  there's
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  more
• 4:18
  experience.
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  Both
• 4:20
  outer
• 4:20
  learning
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  and
• 4:21
  inner
• 4:21
  learning.
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  There
• 4:22
  is
• 4:23
  a
• 4:23
  maturation
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  that
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  happens.
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  I
• 4:26
  mean,
• 4:26
  the
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  eastern
• 4:27
  gurus
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  know
• 4:28
  they
• 4:28
  are
• 4:29
  more
• 4:29
  mature
• 4:29
  than
• 4:30
  the
• 4:30
  Angar
• 4:31
  gurus,
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  but
• 4:32
  they
• 4:33
  don't
• 4:33
  talk
• 4:33
  about
• 4:33
  that.
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  That
• 4:34
  is
• 4:35
  not
• 4:35
  part
• 4:35
  of
• 4:35
  their
• 4:36
  view.
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  You
• 4:37
  have
• 4:37
  to
• 4:37
  be
• 4:37
  a
• 4:38
  Westerner
• 4:38
  to
• 4:38
  think
• 4:39
  in
• 4:39
  terms
• 4:39
  of.
• 4:39
  Because
• 4:40
  that
• 4:40
  talks
• 4:41
  about
• 4:41
  progress.
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  That's
• 4:42
  why
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  must
• 4:43
  have
• 4:43
  the
• 4:43
  idea
• 4:44
  of
• 4:44
  progress.
• 4:45
  Not
• 4:45
  necessarily
• 4:46
  progress
• 4:46
  is
• 4:46
  always
• 4:47
  good,
• 4:47
  but
• 4:48
  you
• 4:48
  have
• 4:48
  a
• 4:48
  sense
• 4:49
  of
• 4:49
  progress.
• 4:49
  Because
• 4:51
  the
• 4:52
  manifestation
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  and
• 4:53
  the
• 4:54
  generation
• 4:55
  of
• 4:55
  appearance
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  is.
• 4:58
  It
• 4:58
  doesn't
• 4:58
  generate
• 4:59
  things
• 4:59
  always
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  the
• 5:00
  same
• 5:00
  way.
• 5:01
  It
• 5:01
  generates
• 5:01
  them.
• 5:01
  When
• 5:02
  it
• 5:02
  changes
• 5:03
  and
• 5:03
  the
• 5:03
  changes
• 5:05
  that
• 5:05
  happen,
• 5:05
  you
• 5:06
  change
• 5:06
  from
• 5:07
  a
• 5:07
  child
• 5:07
  to
• 5:07
  an
• 5:08
  adult
• 5:08
  or
• 5:09
  man,
• 5:10
  a
• 5:10
  wizened
• 5:10
  person
• 5:11
  or
• 5:11
  not.
• 5:12
  Right?
• 5:13
  So
• 5:14
  that
• 5:14
  implies
• 5:15
  the
• 5:15
  order
• 5:16
  has
• 5:17
  in
• 5:17
  it
• 5:18
  something
• 5:18
  that
• 5:18
  we
• 5:19
  call
• 5:20
  learning
• 5:20
  and
• 5:20
  development
• 5:22
  and
• 5:22
  maturation
• 5:24
  and
• 5:24
  ripening.
• 5:25
  Hamid,
• 5:25
  would
• 5:26
  you
• 5:26
  say
• 5:26
  that
• 5:26
  there's
• 5:26
  a
• 5:26
  telios
• 5:28
  to
• 5:28
  the
• 5:28
  universe
• 5:28
  to
• 5:29
  being?
• 5:29
  That
• 5:30
  there's
• 5:30
  a
• 5:30
  directionality
• 5:31
  which
• 5:32
  in
• 5:32
  which
• 5:32
  manifestation
• 5:34
  evolves?
• 5:35
  You
• 5:35
  could
• 5:35
  say
• 5:36
  that,
• 5:36
  yes.
• 5:36
  I
• 5:37
  mean,
• 5:37
  that's
• 5:37
  implicit,
• 5:40
  but
• 5:40
  that's
• 5:41
  more
• 5:41
  like
• 5:41
  the.
• 5:42
  In
• 5:42
  the
• 5:42
  logos
• 5:43
  doesn't
• 5:44
  think
• 5:44
  of
• 5:44
  how
• 5:45
  to
• 5:45
  do
• 5:45
  it.
• 5:45
  It
• 5:45
  just
• 5:46
  does
• 5:47
  naturally
• 5:48
  happens.
• 5:49
  And
• 5:49
  you
• 5:49
  could
• 5:49
  say
• 5:49
  it's
• 5:50
  a
• 5:50
  teleus.
• 5:50
  And
• 5:51
  that's
• 5:51
  what
• 5:51
  I
• 5:51
  mean.
• 5:52
  Intelligence
• 5:52
  or
• 5:52
  order,
• 5:53
  you
• 5:54
  know,
• 5:54
  but
• 5:55
  the
• 5:55
  order,
• 5:55
  it
• 5:56
  is
• 5:56
  an
• 5:56
  amazing
• 5:56
  thing.
• 5:57
  Look
• 5:57
  at
• 5:57
  it
• 5:57
  from
• 5:58
  the
• 5:58
  outside.
• 5:58
  Things
• 5:59
  you
• 6:00
  see,
• 6:00
  you
• 6:01
  know,
• 6:01
  there
• 6:01
  was
• 6:01
  no
• 6:01
  earth,
• 6:02
  now
• 6:02
  there's
• 6:02
  earth,
• 6:03
  there
• 6:03
  was
• 6:03
  no
• 6:04
  life,
• 6:04
  there's
• 6:04
  life.
• 6:05
  We
• 6:05
  know
• 6:06
  that
• 6:06
  by
• 6:06
  looking
• 6:07
  at
• 6:07
  time.
• 6:08
  Logos
• 6:08
  doesn't
• 6:09
  look
• 6:09
  at
• 6:09
  time.
• 6:10
  If
• 6:10
  you
• 6:10
  are
• 6:10
  in
• 6:10
  a
• 6:10
  non
• 6:10
  dual,
• 6:11
  you
• 6:11
  don't
• 6:11
  look
• 6:11
  at
• 6:11
  time,
• 6:12
  so
• 6:13
  you
• 6:13
  don't
• 6:13
  care
• 6:13
  about
• 6:14
  that.
• 6:15
  And
• 6:15
  it's
• 6:15
  true
• 6:15
  for
• 6:16
  your
• 6:16
  present
• 6:16
  experience
• 6:17
  doesn't
• 6:17
  matter.
• 6:19
  However,
• 6:20
  look
• 6:20
  at
• 6:21
  the
• 6:21
  human
• 6:21
  race
• 6:22
  and
• 6:22
  all
• 6:22
  being
• 6:23
  and
• 6:23
  all
• 6:23
  that
• 6:24
  you're
• 6:24
  thinking
• 6:24
  of
• 6:25
  really
• 6:25
  being
• 6:25
  useful.
• 6:26
  In
• 6:26
  general
• 6:27
  society
• 6:28
  you
• 6:29
  have
• 6:29
  to
• 6:29
  look
• 6:29
  at
• 6:29
  things
• 6:30
  from
• 6:30
  perspective,
• 6:31
  time
• 6:31
  to
• 6:32
  which
• 6:32
  is
• 6:32
  that
• 6:33
  there
• 6:33
  have.
• 6:33
  Things
• 6:33
  have
• 6:34
  changed.
• 6:35
  You
• 6:35
  know,
• 6:35
  there
• 6:36
  was
• 6:37
  no
• 6:37
  earth,
• 6:37
  now
• 6:38
  there
• 6:38
  is
• 6:38
  earth,
• 6:38
  there
• 6:39
  was
• 6:39
  no
• 6:39
  life,
• 6:40
  now
• 6:40
  there
• 6:40
  is
• 6:40
  life.
• 6:41
  There
• 6:41
  was
• 6:41
  no
• 6:41
  consciousness,
• 6:42
  now
• 6:42
  there's
• 6:43
  consciousness.
• 6:43
  There
• 6:44
  was
• 6:44
  no
• 6:44
  awakening,
• 6:45
  now
• 6:45
  there's
• 6:45
  awakening.
• 6:47
  And
• 6:48
  that
• 6:48
  shows
• 6:49
  that
• 6:49
  the
• 6:49
  logos
• 6:50
  doesn't
• 6:50
  just
• 6:51
  create
• 6:51
  things,
• 6:52
  but
• 6:52
  create
• 6:52
  thing
• 6:53
  in
• 6:53
  an
• 6:53
  order.
• 6:54
  An
• 6:54
  order
• 6:54
  that
• 6:55
  shows
• 6:55
  what
• 6:56
  we
• 6:56
  call
• 6:56
  an
• 6:56
  optimization
• 6:58
  of
• 6:58
  appearance.
• 7:01
  Because
• 7:01
  it's
• 7:01
  not
• 7:02
  just
• 7:02
  creating
• 7:03
  earth
• 7:03
  and
• 7:04
  rocks
• 7:04
  and
• 7:04
  all
• 7:04
  of
• 7:05
  that
• 7:05
  and
• 7:05
  just
• 7:05
  keep
• 7:06
  recreating
• 7:07
  rocks.
• 7:07
  No,
• 7:07
  at
• 7:08
  some
• 7:08
  point
• 7:08
  there
• 7:09
  is
• 7:09
  some
• 7:10
  kind
• 7:10
  of
• 7:10
  molecule
• 7:11
  that
• 7:11
  develop
• 7:11
  into
• 7:12
  cells,
• 7:13
  into
• 7:13
  living
• 7:14
  organism.
• 7:15
  So
• 7:16
  that
• 7:16
  is
• 7:17
  kind
• 7:17
  of
• 7:18
  an
• 7:18
  evolution
• 7:19
  or
• 7:20
  development.
• 7:21
  That
• 7:22
  is
• 7:23
  part
• 7:23
  of
• 7:23
  the
• 7:24
  order.
• 7:25
  There
• 7:25
  is
• 7:25
  an
• 7:25
  order.
• 7:26
  You
• 7:26
  can
• 7:27
  have
• 7:27
  an
• 7:27
  order
• 7:27
  without
• 7:28
  development.
• 7:29
  Meaning
• 7:29
  things
• 7:30
  are
• 7:30
  not
• 7:30
  disorderly,
• 7:32
  orderly,
• 7:32
  they're
• 7:33
  always,
• 7:33
  you
• 7:34
  know,
• 7:34
  not
• 7:35
  clashing.
• 7:36
  But
• 7:36
  that
• 7:37
  could
• 7:37
  continue
• 7:37
  being
• 7:37
  the
• 7:38
  same
• 7:38
  way.
• 7:39
  However,
• 7:40
  the
• 7:40
  way
• 7:40
  we
• 7:41
  see
• 7:41
  things
• 7:41
  is
• 7:42
  that
• 7:43
  the
• 7:44
  things
• 7:44
  not
• 7:45
  only
• 7:46
  appear
• 7:47
  in
• 7:47
  order,
• 7:48
  an
• 7:48
  order
• 7:49
  that
• 7:49
  is
• 7:50
  having
• 7:50
  some
• 7:51
  kind
• 7:51
  of
• 7:51
  teleus,
• 7:52
  as
• 7:52
  you
• 7:52
  said,
• 7:52
  or
• 7:53
  some
• 7:53
  kind
• 7:53
  of
• 7:54
  unthought,
• 7:56
  unplanned
• 7:57
  progression,
• 8:00
  progression
• 8:01
  from
• 8:02
  one
• 8:03
  form
• 8:03
  of
• 8:03
  appearance
• 8:04
  or
• 8:04
  experience
• 8:04
  to
• 8:05
  another.
• 8:06
  That's
• 8:06
  like
• 8:07
  spiritual
• 8:07
  realization,
• 8:08
  spiritual
• 8:08
  development,
• 8:09
  experience
• 8:10
  opens,
• 8:12
  deepens,
• 8:13
  expands.
• 8:14
  All
• 8:15
  of
• 8:15
  that
• 8:15
  happens.
• 8:15
  That's
• 8:16
  part
• 8:16
  of
• 8:16
  what
• 8:17
  that
• 8:17
  is,
• 8:17
  evolution.
• 8:18
  That's
• 8:18
  not
• 8:18
  just.
• 8:19
  It
• 8:19
  is
• 8:20
  orderly,
• 8:21
  however,
• 8:21
  it's
• 8:22
  not
• 8:22
  just
• 8:22
  orderly
• 8:23
  repeating
• 8:23
  the
• 8:24
  same
• 8:24
  thing.
• 8:24
  It's
• 8:24
  orderly
• 8:25
  through
• 8:26
  development.
• 8:27
  That
• 8:28
  we
• 8:28
  will
• 8:28
  call
• 8:28
  it
• 8:29
  development,
• 8:30
  looking
• 8:30
  at
• 8:30
  it
• 8:31
  from
• 8:31
  perspective
• 8:32
  of
• 8:33
  one
• 8:33
  taste
• 8:34
  or
• 8:34
  equalness.
• 8:35
  All
• 8:36
  the
• 8:36
  same,
• 8:37
  all
• 8:37
  equal.
• 8:38
  The
• 8:38
  all
• 8:38
  pure
• 8:39
  consciousness.
• 8:40
  It
• 8:40
  is
• 8:40
  true.
• 8:41
  But
• 8:41
  this
• 8:41
  pure
• 8:42
  consciousness
• 8:43
  now
• 8:43
  is
• 8:44
  appearing
• 8:44
  as
• 8:45
  a
• 8:45
  grown
• 8:45
  up
• 8:45
  human
• 8:46
  being
• 8:46
  instead
• 8:46
  of
• 8:46
  a
• 8:47
  baby.
• 8:47
  A
• 8:48
  baby
• 8:48
  doesn't
• 8:49
  have
• 8:49
  no
• 8:49
  idea
• 8:49
  about
• 8:50
  its
• 8:50
  nature.
• 8:51
  This
• 8:51
  grown
• 8:51
  up
• 8:52
  can
• 8:52
  have
• 8:52
  experience
• 8:53
  with
• 8:53
  its
• 8:53
  true
• 8:53
  nature.
• 8:55
  And
• 8:55
  that
• 8:55
  idea
• 8:56
  of
• 8:56
  trees
• 8:56
  or
• 8:56
  true
• 8:57
  nature
• 8:57
  is
• 8:57
  very
• 8:57
  important
• 8:58
  for
• 8:58
  the
• 8:58
  logos
• 8:59
  to
• 8:59
  recognize.
• 9:00
  It
• 9:00
  is
• 9:00
  a
• 9:00
  logos.
• 9:02
  And
• 9:02
  amid
• 9:03
  you
• 9:03
  point
• 9:04
  out
• 9:04
  that
• 9:04
  of
• 9:04
  course
• 9:04
  this
• 9:05
  optimizing
• 9:06
  process
• 9:07
  plays
• 9:07
  out
• 9:08
  at
• 9:08
  many
• 9:08
  scales
• 9:09
  and
• 9:09
  dimensions.
• 9:10
  You
• 9:10
  talk
• 9:10
  about
• 9:10
  the
• 9:10
  self
• 9:11
  organizing
• 9:11
  universe,
• 9:12
  which
• 9:12
  is
• 9:13
  one
• 9:14
  every
• 9:14
  idea
• 9:15
  and
• 9:16
  cosmology,
• 9:18
  but
• 9:18
  at
• 9:18
  the
• 9:19
  level
• 9:19
  of
• 9:19
  the
• 9:19
  individual
• 9:20
  human.
• 9:21
  You
• 9:21
  talk
• 9:21
  about
• 9:22
  the
• 9:22
  way
• 9:22
  we
• 9:23
  can
• 9:23
  recognize
• 9:23
  this
• 9:24
  in
• 9:24
  ourselves.
• 9:24
  And
• 9:25
  that
• 9:25
  there
• 9:25
  is
• 9:25
  the
• 9:26
  potential
• 9:26
  for
• 9:27
  enhancing
• 9:28
  our
• 9:29
  psychological
• 9:30
  spiritual
• 9:30
  development.
• 9:31
  You
• 9:31
  say,
• 9:31
  by
• 9:31
  aligning
• 9:32
  or
• 9:32
  staying
• 9:33
  in
• 9:34
  the
• 9:34
  flow
• 9:35
  of
• 9:35
  being.
• 9:35
  But
• 9:36
  that
• 9:36
  raises
• 9:36
  the
• 9:37
  question,
• 9:37
  well,
• 9:37
  how
• 9:37
  do
• 9:38
  we
• 9:38
  stay
• 9:38
  in
• 9:38
  the
• 9:39
  flow
• 9:39
  of
• 9:39
  being?
• 9:40
  Well,
• 9:41
  I
• 9:41
  mean
• 9:41
  that's
• 9:42
  part
• 9:42
  of
• 9:42
  the
• 9:43
  spiritual
• 9:43
  development.
• 9:44
  I
• 9:44
  mean
• 9:46
  all
• 9:47
  genuine
• 9:47
  practices
• 9:48
  are
• 9:48
  oriented
• 9:49
  to
• 9:49
  stay
• 9:49
  in
• 9:50
  touch
• 9:50
  with
• 9:50
  being.
• 9:50
  And
• 9:51
  if
• 9:51
  you're
• 9:51
  in
• 9:51
  touch
• 9:52
  with
• 9:52
  being,
• 9:52
  it's
• 9:53
  possible
• 9:53
  to
• 9:54
  be
• 9:54
  in
• 9:54
  touch
• 9:54
  with
• 9:55
  the
• 9:55
  flow
• 9:55
  of
• 9:55
  being.
• 9:56
  Because
• 9:57
  if
• 9:57
  you're
• 9:58
  in
• 9:58
  touch
• 9:58
  with
• 9:58
  being,
• 9:59
  even
• 10:00
  in
• 10:00
  a
• 10:00
  state
• 10:00
  of
• 10:01
  timelessness,
• 10:02
  you
• 10:03
  know,
• 10:03
  when
• 10:03
  there's
• 10:04
  no
• 10:04
  sense
• 10:04
  of
• 10:05
  passage
• 10:05
  of
• 10:05
  time,
• 10:06
  things
• 10:07
  change
• 10:07
  anyway.
• 10:08
  Perception
• 10:09
  changes.
• 10:09
  I
• 10:10
  mean,
• 10:10
  you
• 10:10
  could
• 10:10
  be
• 10:10
  timeless
• 10:11
  and
• 10:11
  walk
• 10:12
  in
• 10:12
  the
• 10:12
  street,
• 10:12
  so
• 10:13
  your
• 10:13
  perception
• 10:13
  changes.
• 10:15
  But
• 10:15
  also
• 10:16
  the
• 10:16
  thing
• 10:17
  here
• 10:17
  we're
• 10:18
  discussing
• 10:19
  is
• 10:19
  that
• 10:20
  spiritual
• 10:21
  learning,
• 10:21
  the
• 10:21
  whole
• 10:22
  spiritual
• 10:22
  journey
• 10:23
  implies
• 10:24
  there
• 10:24
  is
• 10:24
  an
• 10:25
  evolution
• 10:25
  and
• 10:26
  development
• 10:26
  that
• 10:26
  is
• 10:27
  possible
• 10:27
  for
• 10:28
  the
• 10:28
  individual
• 10:28
  soul
• 10:30
  to
• 10:30
  recognize
• 10:31
  what
• 10:31
  it
• 10:31
  is,
• 10:32
  recognize
• 10:32
  it
• 10:32
  as
• 10:32
  pure
• 10:33
  awareness,
• 10:33
  it's
• 10:34
  pure
• 10:34
  presence,
• 10:34
  it
• 10:35
  is
• 10:36
  dynamic.
• 10:36
  And
• 10:37
  the
• 10:37
  dynam
• 10:38
  comes
• 10:38
  from
• 10:38
  a
• 10:38
  larger
• 10:39
  field.
• 10:40
  So
• 10:40
  until
• 10:40
  it
• 10:40
  becomes
• 10:41
  can
• 10:42
  experience
• 10:42
  itself
• 10:43
  as
• 10:43
  this
• 10:44
  large
• 10:44
  or
• 10:44
  dynamic
• 10:45
  creative
• 10:46
  field,
• 10:46
  all
• 10:47
  this
• 10:47
  is
• 10:48
  in
• 10:48
  evolution
• 10:49
  and
• 10:49
  development.
• 10:51
  One
• 10:51
  thing
• 10:51
  I
• 10:51
  want
• 10:52
  to
• 10:52
  mention
• 10:52
  here
• 10:53
  about
• 10:53
  the
• 10:53
  optimizing
• 10:54
  force,
• 10:56
  the
• 10:56
  universe
• 10:57
  as
• 10:57
  a
• 10:57
  whole.
• 10:58
  Logos
• 10:59
  as
• 10:59
  a
• 10:59
  whole
• 10:59
  has
• 10:59
  an
• 11:00
  optimizing
• 11:01
  in
• 11:01
  the
• 11:01
  sense
• 11:02
  it
• 11:02
  has
• 11:02
  a
• 11:03
  transformative,
• 11:04
  not
• 11:04
  only
• 11:05
  creates,
• 11:07
  but
• 11:07
  transforms
• 11:08
  what
• 11:09
  it
• 11:09
  creates
• 11:09
  from
• 11:10
  one
• 11:10
  thing
• 11:10
  to
• 11:10
  another,
• 11:11
  from
• 11:12
  one
• 11:12
  stage
• 11:12
  to
• 11:13
  another.
• 11:14
  It's
• 11:14
  like
• 11:14
  a
• 11:14
  larva
• 11:15
  development
• 11:16
  of
• 11:16
  butterfly,
• 11:18
  for
• 11:18
  instance.
• 11:18
  That's
• 11:19
  a
• 11:19
  transformation
• 11:20
  and
• 11:21
  that
• 11:22
  is
• 11:22
  the
• 11:22
  logos
• 11:23
  is
• 11:23
  actually
• 11:23
  behind
• 11:24
  that.
• 11:25
  The
• 11:25
  logos
• 11:26
  gives
• 11:27
  the
• 11:27
  larva
• 11:27
  its
• 11:27
  body
• 11:28
  and
• 11:29
  the
• 11:29
  next
• 11:29
  moment
• 11:30
  it
• 11:30
  manifests
• 11:31
  itself.
• 11:31
  It
• 11:31
  manifests
• 11:32
  itself
• 11:32
  as
• 11:32
  a
• 11:32
  butterfly
• 11:33
  emerging
• 11:33
  from
• 11:34
  the
• 11:34
  larva,
• 11:35
  from
• 11:35
  the
• 11:35
  larva.
• 11:36
  The
• 11:36
  next
• 11:37
  moment
• 11:37
  it
• 11:37
  is
• 11:38
  manifesting
• 11:38
  a
• 11:38
  butterfly
• 11:39
  flying.
• 11:41
  So
• 11:42
  there
• 11:42
  is
• 11:42
  an
• 11:42
  optimizing
• 11:43
  force
• 11:44
  in
• 11:44
  the
• 11:44
  sense
• 11:45
  there
• 11:45
  is
• 11:45
  a
• 11:46
  change
• 11:46
  and
• 11:46
  transformation
• 11:47
  in
• 11:47
  the
• 11:48
  universe
• 11:48
  as
• 11:48
  a
• 11:49
  whole.
• 11:49
  However,
• 11:51
  there
• 11:51
  is
• 11:51
  what
• 11:52
  I
• 11:52
  call
• 11:52
  a
• 11:52
  specific
• 11:53
  optimizing
• 11:54
  force,
• 11:55
  which
• 11:55
  is
• 11:55
  what
• 11:55
  happened
• 11:56
  in
• 11:56
  the
• 11:56
  human
• 11:56
  soul
• 11:57
  and
• 11:57
  its
• 11:58
  spiritual
• 11:58
  evolution.
• 11:59
  And
• 12:00
  that
• 12:00
  does
• 12:00
  not
• 12:01
  happen
• 12:01
  to
• 12:01
  everybody
• 12:03
  because
• 12:04
  the
• 12:04
  optimizing
• 12:04
  force,
• 12:06
  this
• 12:06
  particular
• 12:07
  specific
• 12:07
  optimizing
• 12:08
  force
• 12:09
  appear
• 12:10
  it
• 12:11
  is
• 12:11
  a
• 12:11
  potential
• 12:12
  in
• 12:12
  the
• 12:13
  soul,
• 12:13
  but
• 12:14
  it
• 12:14
  doesn't
• 12:15
  not
• 12:15
  become
• 12:15
  actualized.
• 12:17
  Except
• 12:17
  for
• 12:17
  some
• 12:18
  people,
• 12:18
  not
• 12:18
  everybody,
• 12:20
  not
• 12:21
  everybody
• 12:22
  had
• 12:23
  their
• 12:23
  heart
• 12:24
  throbbing
• 12:25
  with
• 12:25
  the
• 12:26
  desire
• 12:26
  for
• 12:26
  truth,
• 12:28
  the
• 12:28
  desire
• 12:28
  for
• 12:29
  God.
• 12:29
  Some
• 12:29
  people
• 12:30
  do
• 12:31
  and
• 12:31
  others
• 12:31
  don't.
• 12:32
  Some
• 12:32
  people
• 12:32
  are
• 12:32
  busy
• 12:33
  making
• 12:33
  a
• 12:33
  living,
• 12:34
  nothing
• 12:35
  bad,
• 12:35
  nothing
• 12:36
  wrong.
• 12:36
  Busy
• 12:37
  locust
• 12:37
  is
• 12:37
  manifesting
• 12:38
  as
• 12:39
  making
• 12:39
  a
• 12:39
  living,
• 12:40
  but
• 12:40
  manifesting
• 12:41
  some
• 12:41
  people
• 12:42
  with
• 12:43
  a
• 12:43
  heart
• 12:43
  burning,
• 12:44
  with
• 12:45
  a
• 12:45
  desire
• 12:45
  for
• 12:46
  realization
• 12:47
  or
• 12:47
  liberation.
• 12:49
  That
• 12:49
  is
• 12:49
  the
• 12:49
  particular
• 12:50
  specific
• 12:51
  optimizing
• 12:52
  force
• 12:52
  within
• 12:52
  the
• 12:53
  soul
• 12:53
  that
• 12:53
  is
• 12:54
  responsible
• 12:54
  for
• 12:54
  spiritual
• 12:55
  development.
• 12:57
  A
• 12:57
  soul
• 12:58
  cannot
• 12:58
  develop
• 12:58
  without
• 12:59
  the
• 12:59
  optimizing
• 13:00
  force.
• 13:01
  And
• 13:01
  different
• 13:02
  teachings
• 13:02
  call
• 13:02
  it
• 13:02
  different
• 13:03
  names.
• 13:04
  Of
• 13:04
  course.
• 13:04
  The
• 13:05
  most
• 13:05
  well
• 13:05
  known
• 13:06
  one,
• 13:06
  the
• 13:06
  Buddhist
• 13:06
  one,
• 13:07
  is
• 13:08
  Bodhicitta,
• 13:09
  which
• 13:09
  is
• 13:10
  the
• 13:10
  thought
• 13:10
  of
• 13:10
  enlightenment,
• 13:12
  which
• 13:13
  means
• 13:13
  the
• 13:13
  desire
• 13:14
  for
• 13:14
  enlightenment.
• 13:16
  It
• 13:16
  doesn't
• 13:16
  appear
• 13:16
  in
• 13:17
  everybody,
• 13:18
  but
• 13:18
  when
• 13:18
  it
• 13:18
  appears
• 13:19
  in
• 13:19
  some
• 13:19
  way,
• 13:19
  it
• 13:19
  can
• 13:19
  become
• 13:20
  force,
• 13:20
  can
• 13:20
  become
• 13:21
  a
• 13:21
  deep
• 13:21
  longing,
• 13:22
  deep
• 13:22
  yearning,
• 13:23
  an
• 13:23
  intense
• 13:24
  dynamism
• 13:25
  and
• 13:26
  a
• 13:26
  strong
• 13:27
  drive.
• 13:28
  Sometimes
• 13:28
  the
• 13:28
  drive
• 13:28
  becomes
• 13:29
  so
• 13:29
  powerful,
• 13:30
  so
• 13:30
  strong,
• 13:30
  everything
• 13:31
  else
• 13:31
  is
• 13:31
  secondary.
• 13:33
  And
• 13:33
  in
• 13:33
  fact
• 13:33
  it
• 13:34
  has
• 13:34
  to
• 13:34
  become
• 13:34
  that
• 13:35
  way
• 13:35
  for
• 13:36
  realization
• 13:36
  to
• 13:36
  truly
• 13:37
  happen,
• 13:38
  to
• 13:38
  happen
• 13:39
  as
• 13:39
  a
• 13:39
  flow
• 13:40
  of
• 13:40
  realization,
• 13:41
  not
• 13:41
  just
• 13:42
  one
• 13:42
  experience.
• 13:44
  And
• 13:44
  it's
• 13:44
  always
• 13:44
  been
• 13:44
  a
• 13:44
  question
• 13:45
  to
• 13:45
  me.
• 13:46
  I'd
• 13:46
  love
• 13:46
  to
• 13:47
  have
• 13:47
  your
• 13:47
  take
• 13:47
  on
• 13:47
  me.
• 13:48
  Why
• 13:49
  is
• 13:49
  it
• 13:49
  that
• 13:50
  some
• 13:50
  people
• 13:51
  have
• 13:52
  this
• 13:53
  yearning
• 13:54
  for
• 13:55
  learning,
• 13:55
  growth,
• 13:55
  awakening
• 13:56
  and
• 13:56
  others,
• 13:57
  it
• 13:57
  just
• 13:57
  seems.
• 13:58
  Nope,
• 13:59
  I've
• 14:00
  never
• 14:00
  quite
• 14:01
  figured
• 14:01
  that
• 14:01
  one
• 14:01
  out.
• 14:02
  Most
• 14:03
  people
• 14:03
  don't
• 14:03
  have
• 14:04
  it.
• 14:04
  Yeah,
• 14:05
  the
• 14:05
  majority
• 14:05
  of
• 14:06
  humanity
• 14:06
  doesn't
• 14:06
  have
• 14:07
  it.
• 14:08
  That's
• 14:08
  when
• 14:09
  people
• 14:09
  tell
• 14:10
  me,
• 14:10
  well,
• 14:10
  do
• 14:10
  you
• 14:10
  think
• 14:11
  that
• 14:11
  now
• 14:11
  we're
• 14:11
  going
• 14:12
  to
• 14:12
  big
• 14:12
  Change
• 14:13
  going
• 14:13
  to
• 14:13
  be
• 14:13
  collective
• 14:14
  change.
• 14:16
  I
• 14:16
  think
• 14:17
  they
• 14:17
  don't
• 14:17
  know
• 14:17
  what
• 14:17
  they're
• 14:18
  talking
• 14:18
  about.
• 14:19
  There's
• 14:19
  no
• 14:19
  such
• 14:19
  thing
• 14:20
  as
• 14:20
  a
• 14:20
  collective
• 14:20
  change
• 14:21
  for
• 14:21
  the
• 14:21
  human
• 14:21
  race
• 14:23
  because
• 14:23
  that
• 14:24
  means
• 14:24
  Samsara
• 14:25
  will
• 14:25
  change
• 14:25
  to
• 14:26
  nirvana
• 14:27
  soon.
• 14:29
  Even
• 14:29
  the
• 14:29
  Buddhist
• 14:30
  perspective,
• 14:30
  there's
• 14:31
  no
• 14:31
  such
• 14:31
  thing
• 14:31
  Samsara.
• 14:32
  Samsara
• 14:33
  can
• 14:33
  continue
• 14:34
  as
• 14:34
  Samsara.
• 14:36
  So
• 14:37
  it's
• 14:37
  a
• 14:37
  mystery
• 14:38
  why
• 14:38
  is
• 14:39
  it
• 14:39
  really
• 14:40
  for
• 14:40
  some
• 14:40
  people
• 14:41
  that
• 14:41
  see
• 14:41
  their
• 14:41
  heart
• 14:42
  gets
• 14:42
  active,
• 14:43
  their
• 14:43
  soul
• 14:44
  begin
• 14:44
  to
• 14:44
  burn,
• 14:46
  the
• 14:46
  flame
• 14:46
  is
• 14:47
  ignited
• 14:48
  and
• 14:48
  gets
• 14:49
  stronger
• 14:49
  and
• 14:49
  stronger.
• 14:50
  So
• 14:51
  hunger
• 14:52
  or
• 14:52
  a
• 14:52
  hunger.
• 14:53
  Some
• 14:53
  people
• 14:53
  get
• 14:53
  the
• 14:54
  flame
• 14:54
  and
• 14:54
  doesn't
• 14:55
  get
• 14:55
  strong.
• 14:56
  Just,
• 14:56
  you
• 14:56
  know,
• 14:57
  some
• 14:57
  flame
• 14:58
  they
• 14:58
  do
• 14:59
  some
• 14:59
  practice,
• 14:59
  they
• 15:00
  do
• 15:00
  something
• 15:01
  but
• 15:01
  doesn't
• 15:01
  become
• 15:01
  an
• 15:02
  overriding
• 15:02
  force
• 15:04
  for
• 15:04
  some
• 15:04
  people.
• 15:04
  Become
• 15:05
  such
• 15:05
  an
• 15:05
  overriding
• 15:06
  force,
• 15:06
  everything
• 15:07
  else
• 15:07
  falls
• 15:08
  to
• 15:08
  the
• 15:08
  wayside.
• 15:09
  Why
• 15:10
  that
• 15:10
  happened
• 15:11
  for
• 15:11
  some
• 15:11
  people,
• 15:12
  I
• 15:13
  don't
• 15:13
  know
• 15:13
  if
• 15:13
  I
• 15:13
  understand
• 15:14
  it.
• 15:14
  I
• 15:15
  see
• 15:15
  it
• 15:15
  happening,
• 15:17
  you
• 15:17
  know,
• 15:17
  I
• 15:18
  know
• 15:18
  a
• 15:18
  different
• 15:18
  tradition,
• 15:20
  explain
• 15:20
  it
• 15:21
  different
• 15:21
  ways.
• 15:22
  If
• 15:22
  you
• 15:22
  go
• 15:22
  there,
• 15:23
  Eastern
• 15:24
  tradition,
• 15:24
  they
• 15:24
  think
• 15:25
  of
• 15:25
  it
• 15:25
  in
• 15:25
  terms
• 15:25
  of
• 15:25
  karma
• 15:28
  that,
• 15:28
  you
• 15:28
  know,
• 15:29
  you
• 15:29
  have
• 15:29
  to
• 15:29
  finish
• 15:30
  with
• 15:30
  your
• 15:30
  karma.
• 15:31
  Your
• 15:31
  karma
• 15:31
  has
• 15:32
  to
• 15:32
  get
• 15:32
  to
• 15:32
  a
• 15:32
  certain
• 15:33
  level
• 15:33
  of
• 15:34
  clarification.
• 15:35
  Western
• 15:36
  traditional
• 15:37
  say
• 15:37
  it's
• 15:37
  God's
• 15:38
  will.
• 15:39
  God
• 15:40
  activates
• 15:41
  some
• 15:41
  people's
• 15:41
  hearts,
• 15:43
  but
• 15:43
  not
• 15:43
  others.
• 15:45
  These
• 15:45
  are
• 15:46
  the
• 15:46
  explanation.
• 15:47
  I
• 15:48
  think
• 15:48
  it's
• 15:48
  potential
• 15:49
  for
• 15:49
  human
• 15:50
  beings.
• 15:50
  I
• 15:50
  think
• 15:51
  human
• 15:51
  being,
• 15:53
  maybe
• 15:53
  more
• 15:54
  in
• 15:54
  the
• 15:54
  long
• 15:55
  term,
• 15:55
  more
• 15:56
  human
• 15:57
  being
• 15:58
  will
• 15:58
  be
• 15:58
  activated
• 15:59
  that
• 15:59
  way.
• 16:00
  So
• 16:00
  maybe
• 16:01
  in
• 16:03
  50,000
• 16:04
  years
• 16:05
  there'll
• 16:06
  be
• 16:06
  5%
• 16:07
  of
• 16:07
  the
• 16:07
  human
• 16:07
  race
• 16:08
  activated
• 16:09
  that
• 16:09
  way
• 16:09
  instead
• 16:10
  of
• 16:10
  0.1%
• 16:12
  like
• 16:13
  now.
• 16:13
  Not
• 16:14
  a
• 16:14
  very
• 16:14
  optimistic
• 16:15
  perspective.
• 16:17
  Yeah,
• 16:18
  maybe
• 16:18
  it's
• 16:18
  enough
• 16:18
  people
• 16:19
  think
• 16:19
  in
• 16:19
  the
• 16:19
  next
• 16:20
  decade.
• 16:21
  I
• 16:21
  don't
• 16:21
  think
• 16:23
  changing
• 16:24
  one
• 16:24
  look
• 16:24
  at
• 16:24
  the
• 16:25
  human
• 16:25
  history,
• 16:26
  you
• 16:26
  know,
• 16:28
  50,000
• 16:28
  years,
• 16:29
  whatever.
• 16:30
  How
• 16:30
  much
• 16:30
  did
• 16:31
  the
• 16:31
  human
• 16:31
  race
• 16:31
  change?
• 16:32
  I
• 16:33
  mean,
• 16:33
  Buddha
• 16:33
  came,
• 16:33
  what
• 16:34
  did
• 16:34
  he
• 16:34
  do?
• 16:35
  How
• 16:35
  many
• 16:35
  people
• 16:36
  did
• 16:36
  he
• 16:36
  change?
• 16:37
  Jesus
• 16:37
  came
• 16:38
  and
• 16:38
  people
• 16:38
  said
• 16:38
  Jesus
• 16:39
  came,
• 16:39
  he
• 16:39
  changed
• 16:40
  the
• 16:40
  world,
• 16:40
  did
• 16:41
  he?
• 16:42
  He
• 16:42
  brought
• 16:43
  love
• 16:43
  and
• 16:43
  teaching
• 16:44
  of
• 16:44
  love,
• 16:44
  all
• 16:44
  of
• 16:44
  that
• 16:45
  that
• 16:45
  impacts
• 16:46
  some
• 16:46
  people,
• 16:47
  not
• 16:47
  the
• 16:47
  majority
• 16:48
  of
• 16:48
  the
• 16:48
  human
• 16:48
  rights.
• 16:49
  So
• 16:49
  all
• 16:49
  those
• 16:50
  great
• 16:50
  people,
• 16:51
  they
• 16:51
  make
• 16:51
  some
• 16:52
  changes
• 16:52
  here
• 16:53
  and
• 16:53
  there.
• 16:54
  But
• 16:54
  the
• 16:55
  human
• 16:55
  race
• 16:55
  as
• 16:56
  a
• 16:56
  whole
• 16:56
  is
• 16:57
  very
• 16:57
  billions
• 16:58
  of
• 16:58
  people.
• 16:58
  And
• 17:00
  most
• 17:00
  people
• 17:01
  are
• 17:01
  eminence
• 17:02
  is
• 17:02
  not
• 17:03
  to
• 17:03
  be
• 17:03
  blamed.
• 17:03
  They're
• 17:03
  busy
• 17:04
  making
• 17:04
  a
• 17:05
  living,
• 17:05
  Busy.
• 17:06
  Survival
• 17:06
  is
• 17:07
  unfair
• 17:08
  in
• 17:08
  some
• 17:08
  sense.
• 17:09
  Spiritual
• 17:09
  realization
• 17:10
  is
• 17:10
  a
• 17:10
  luxury
• 17:11
  of
• 17:11
  sort.
• 17:13
  You
• 17:13
  need
• 17:13
  to
• 17:14
  have
• 17:14
  space,
• 17:14
  time
• 17:16
  and
• 17:16
  the
• 17:16
  capacity
• 17:17
  to
• 17:17
  especially
• 17:18
  in
• 17:18
  the
• 17:18
  western
• 17:18
  world.
• 17:19
  You
• 17:19
  have
• 17:19
  to
• 17:19
  be
• 17:19
  able
• 17:19
  to
• 17:20
  survive.
• 17:21
  In
• 17:21
  the
• 17:21
  Eastern
• 17:22
  tradition.
• 17:22
  They
• 17:22
  have
• 17:22
  support
• 17:23
  for
• 17:23
  people
• 17:24
  even
• 17:25
  if
• 17:25
  you
• 17:25
  can't.
• 17:26
  Like
• 17:26
  Ramana
• 17:27
  Maharshi,
• 17:28
  for
• 17:29
  instance.
• 17:29
  He
• 17:29
  went
• 17:29
  to
• 17:30
  the
• 17:30
  jungle
• 17:30
  and
• 17:31
  the
• 17:31
  drive
• 17:32
  was
• 17:32
  so
• 17:32
  powerful.
• 17:33
  He
• 17:33
  went
• 17:33
  to
• 17:33
  the
• 17:33
  jungle,
• 17:33
  he
• 17:34
  forgot
• 17:34
  everything.
• 17:34
  He
• 17:35
  Wouldn't
• 17:35
  eat
• 17:36
  or
• 17:36
  sleep
• 17:36
  or
• 17:37
  whatever.
• 17:37
  He
• 17:37
  was
• 17:38
  just
• 17:38
  getting
• 17:38
  into
• 17:38
  realization.
• 17:39
  But
• 17:40
  then,
• 17:40
  you
• 17:40
  know,
• 17:41
  people
• 17:41
  found
• 17:41
  him
• 17:42
  and
• 17:42
  took
• 17:42
  care
• 17:42
  of
• 17:42
  her.
• 17:43
  He
• 17:43
  didn't
• 17:43
  know
• 17:43
  how
• 17:44
  to
• 17:44
  take
• 17:44
  care
• 17:44
  of
• 17:44
  himself.
• 17:44
  He
• 17:44
  was
• 17:45
  left
• 17:45
  to
• 17:45
  himself.
• 17:45
  He
• 17:45
  would
• 17:46
  have
• 17:46
  died.
• 17:48
  Nobody
• 17:48
  would
• 17:48
  have
• 17:48
  known
• 17:48
  about
• 17:49
  him.
• 17:49
  But
• 17:50
  some
• 17:50
  people
• 17:50
  found
• 17:50
  him
• 17:51
  and
• 17:51
  they
• 17:52
  created
• 17:52
  a
• 17:52
  temple.
• 17:53
  They
• 17:53
  took
• 17:54
  care
• 17:54
  of
• 17:54
  him.
• 17:54
  He
• 17:54
  didn't
• 17:54
  know
• 17:55
  how
• 17:55
  to
• 17:55
  take
• 17:55
  care
• 17:55
  of
• 17:56
  himself.
• 17:57
  You
• 17:57
  know,
• 17:57
  they
• 17:58
  took
• 17:58
  care
• 17:58
  of
• 17:58
  him,
• 17:59
  fed
• 17:59
  him
• 18:00
  when
• 18:00
  he
• 18:00
  got
• 18:00
  sick,
• 18:01
  they
• 18:01
  got
• 18:01
  him
• 18:01
  a
• 18:01
  doctor.
• 18:02
  He
• 18:02
  wouldn't
• 18:03
  know
• 18:03
  how
• 18:03
  to
• 18:03
  go.
• 18:04
  He
• 18:04
  was.
• 18:05
  So
• 18:06
  that
• 18:07
  system
• 18:07
  there
• 18:07
  in
• 18:08
  India
• 18:08
  has
• 18:09
  that
• 18:09
  support
• 18:10
  in
• 18:10
  the
• 18:10
  west,
• 18:10
  we
• 18:10
  don't
• 18:11
  have
• 18:11
  that.
• 18:13
  What
• 18:13
  Jesus
• 18:13
  said
• 18:14
  that
• 18:14
  a
• 18:14
  little
• 18:14
  leaven.
• 18:15
  Leaven
• 18:15
  it,
• 18:15
  the
• 18:15
  whole
• 18:16
  loaf.
• 18:17
  Maybe
• 18:18
  that
• 18:18
  little
• 18:18
  bit
• 18:19
  is
• 18:20
  enough
• 18:20
  for
• 18:21
  now.
• 18:22
  And
• 18:22
  it's
• 18:22
  what
• 18:23
  it
• 18:23
  is.
• 18:23
  And
• 18:23
  he
• 18:23
  said
• 18:23
  many
• 18:24
  are
• 18:24
  called
• 18:24
  fewer
• 18:25
  chosen.
• 18:26
  Which
• 18:26
  is
• 18:26
  again
• 18:27
  part
• 18:27
  of
• 18:27
  the
• 18:27
  mystery
• 18:27
  that
• 18:27
  we're
• 18:28
  talking
• 18:28
  about.
• 18:28
  How
• 18:29
  does
• 18:29
  that,
• 18:29
  you
• 18:29
  know,
• 18:29
  come
• 18:30
  about?
• 18:31
  I
• 18:31
  agree
• 18:32
  with
• 18:32
  many,
• 18:34
  like
• 18:34
  this
• 18:34
  saying
• 18:35
  and
• 18:35
  many
• 18:35
  other
• 18:35
  traditions
• 18:36
  talk
• 18:36
  about
• 18:37
  that
• 18:37
  that
• 18:38
  few
• 18:39
  realized
• 18:40
  individuals
• 18:41
  can
• 18:42
  keep
• 18:42
  the
• 18:43
  human
• 18:43
  race
• 18:43
  going,
• 18:45
  that
• 18:46
  it's
• 18:46
  a
• 18:46
  mystery
• 18:47
  how
• 18:47
  that
• 18:47
  happened.
• 18:48
  But
• 18:48
  really,
• 18:49
  if
• 18:49
  there
• 18:49
  were
• 18:49
  nobody
• 18:50
  realized,
• 18:52
  no
• 18:52
  one
• 18:52
  would
• 18:53
  spiritual
• 18:54
  burn
• 18:55
  happening
• 18:55
  in
• 18:55
  them.
• 18:56
  I
• 18:56
  don't
• 18:57
  think
• 18:57
  the
• 18:57
  human
• 18:57
  race
• 18:57
  will
• 18:57
  last
• 18:58
  long,
• 19:00
  but
• 19:00
  the
• 19:01
  fact
• 19:01
  that
• 19:02
  a
• 19:02
  few,
• 19:03
  not
• 19:03
  many,
• 19:05
  small
• 19:05
  percentage,
• 19:07
  keep
• 19:07
  things
• 19:07
  going,
• 19:08
  and
• 19:08
  I
• 19:08
  think
• 19:08
  in
• 19:09
  some
• 19:09
  sense
• 19:09
  it
• 19:09
  makes
• 19:10
  the
• 19:10
  human
• 19:10
  continue
• 19:11
  to
• 19:11
  be
• 19:11
  human.
• 19:12
  And
• 19:12
  I
• 19:13
  want
• 19:13
  to
• 19:13
  just
• 19:14
  draw
• 19:14
  out
• 19:14
  something
• 19:14
  you
• 19:15
  said
• 19:15
  in
• 19:16
  passing,
• 19:16
  amid
• 19:17
  which
• 19:17
  is
• 19:17
  that
• 19:18
  why
• 19:19
  this
• 19:20
  desire
• 19:21
  for
• 19:21
  awakening
• 19:24
  initially
• 19:24
  arises
• 19:25
  in
• 19:25
  some
• 19:25
  people
• 19:26
  is
• 19:27
  in
• 19:27
  many
• 19:27
  ways
• 19:27
  a
• 19:27
  mystery.
• 19:28
  But
• 19:28
  you
• 19:29
  also
• 19:29
  implied
• 19:29
  or
• 19:30
  pointed
• 19:30
  to
• 19:30
  the
• 19:30
  fact
• 19:31
  that
• 19:32
  spiritual
• 19:32
  practices,
• 19:33
  contemplations,
• 19:34
  etc.
• 19:35
  Meditation,
• 19:36
  yogas,
• 19:36
  etc.
• 19:37
  And
• 19:38
  all
• 19:38
  the
• 19:38
  work
• 19:39
  you've
• 19:39
  created
• 19:39
  in
• 19:39
  the
• 19:39
  diamond
• 19:40
  approach
• 19:40
  have
• 19:41
  the
• 19:41
  capacity
• 19:41
  for
• 19:42
  both
• 19:43
  intensifying
• 19:44
  and
• 19:44
  purifying
• 19:45
  that
• 19:45
  aspiration.
• 19:47
  Yes.
• 19:48
  So
• 19:48
  in
• 19:49
  some
• 19:49
  sense
• 19:49
  there's
• 19:50
  an
• 19:50
  interaction
• 19:51
  between
• 19:52
  the
• 19:52
  spiritual
• 19:53
  aspiration
• 19:54
  and
• 19:54
  the
• 19:54
  practices.
• 19:56
  The
• 19:56
  spiritual
• 19:57
  aspiration
• 19:58
  make
• 19:58
  you
• 19:59
  want
• 19:59
  to
• 19:59
  practice.
• 20:01
  It
• 20:01
  gives
• 20:01
  you
• 20:01
  the
• 20:02
  motivation
• 20:02
  to
• 20:02
  seek
• 20:03
  practice,
• 20:03
  find
• 20:04
  a
• 20:04
  teacher
• 20:04
  or
• 20:04
  a
• 20:05
  teaching
• 20:05
  and
• 20:06
  practice
• 20:07
  the
• 20:07
  practices.
• 20:08
  Then
• 20:09
  help
• 20:10
  support
• 20:10
  and
• 20:11
  fan
• 20:12
  the
• 20:12
  fire
• 20:13
  of
• 20:13
  the
• 20:13
  flame.
• 20:14
  Make
• 20:14
  it
• 20:15
  more
• 20:15
  intense.
• 20:17
  Yeah.
• 20:17
  Removing
• 20:18
  the
• 20:18
  obstacles
• 20:18
  also
• 20:19
  from
• 20:20
  this
• 20:20
  realization.
• 20:21
  True,
• 20:22
  because
• 20:22
  there
• 20:22
  are
• 20:22
  obstacles,
• 20:23
  distractions.
• 20:25
  Like
• 20:26
  we
• 20:26
  discussed
• 20:27
  some
• 20:27
  of
• 20:27
  the
• 20:27
  diamond
• 20:28
  vehicles,
• 20:29
  some
• 20:29
  of
• 20:29
  them
• 20:29
  deals
• 20:30
  with
• 20:30
  some
• 20:30
  of
• 20:31
  these
• 20:31
  obstacles.
• 20:31
  Like
• 20:32
  if
• 20:32
  you
• 20:33
  remember
• 20:33
  the
• 20:33
  diamond
• 20:34
  vehicle,
• 20:34
  the
• 20:35
  merkabah,
• 20:36
  it
• 20:36
  has
• 20:36
  in
• 20:36
  it
• 20:37
  the
• 20:37
  teaching,
• 20:38
  what
• 20:38
  I
• 20:38
  call
• 20:38
  the
• 20:39
  inner
• 20:39
  turn,
• 20:40
  how
• 20:41
  to
• 20:41
  turn
• 20:41
  from
• 20:42
  the
• 20:42
  outside
• 20:42
  to
• 20:42
  the
• 20:42
  inside.
• 20:44
  And
• 20:44
  that's
• 20:44
  a
• 20:44
  big
• 20:45
  turn
• 20:45
  for
• 20:45
  the
• 20:46
  soul.
• 20:47
  And
• 20:48
  it
• 20:48
  is
• 20:48
  the
• 20:50
  beacon
• 20:50
  of
• 20:50
  pleasure.
• 20:51
  Because
• 20:52
  human
• 20:52
  beings
• 20:53
  think
• 20:53
  pleasure
• 20:53
  come
• 20:53
  from
• 20:54
  the
• 20:54
  outside.
• 20:56
  You
• 20:56
  seek
• 20:57
  pleasure
• 20:59
  from
• 20:59
  the
• 21:00
  perspective
• 21:00
  of
• 21:01
  the
• 21:01
  animal
• 21:02
  instincts.
• 21:04
  Survival,
• 21:05
  social
• 21:06
  and
• 21:06
  sexual
• 21:07
  pleasure
• 21:08
  come
• 21:08
  from
• 21:08
  the
• 21:08
  outside.
• 21:09
  And
• 21:10
  the
• 21:10
  entertain
• 21:11
  is
• 21:13
  interesting.
• 21:13
  It's
• 21:14
  about
• 21:14
  the
• 21:15
  vehicle
• 21:15
  that
• 21:16
  showed
• 21:16
  that
• 21:16
  true
• 21:17
  nature's
• 21:17
  pleasure
• 21:18
  that
• 21:18
  is
• 21:19
  part
• 21:19
  of
• 21:19
  the
• 21:19
  inner
• 21:20
  turn
• 21:20
  that
• 21:21
  make
• 21:21
  you
• 21:21
  turn
• 21:21
  inward.
• 21:22
  And
• 21:24
  you
• 21:24
  find
• 21:24
  that
• 21:24
  inward
• 21:25
  the
• 21:25
  pleasure
• 21:25
  of
• 21:26
  the
• 21:26
  inner
• 21:27
  far
• 21:28
  surpasses
• 21:29
  the
• 21:29
  outer
• 21:29
  pleasure.
• 21:30
  But
• 21:31
  that
• 21:31
  is
• 21:31
  only
• 21:31
  part.
• 21:32
  But
• 21:33
  it
• 21:33
  is
• 21:33
  more
• 21:33
  wisdom
• 21:34
  than
• 21:34
  just.
• 21:36
  It's
• 21:36
  more
• 21:36
  pleasurable
• 21:37
  inside.
• 21:38
  It's
• 21:38
  more
• 21:38
  like
• 21:41
  shows
• 21:41
  the
• 21:42
  obstacle,
• 21:42
  the
• 21:43
  attachment
• 21:43
  to
• 21:43
  the
• 21:43
  outside,
• 21:45
  the
• 21:46
  attachment
• 21:46
  to
• 21:47
  our
• 21:47
  mother
• 21:48
  to
• 21:49
  her
• 21:49
  breast,
• 21:50
  attachment
• 21:51
  to
• 21:51
  the
• 21:51
  world
• 21:52
  and
• 21:53
  its
• 21:53
  temptations
• 21:56
  and
• 21:56
  the
• 21:57
  good
• 21:57
  things
• 21:57
  that
• 21:57
  are
• 21:58
  in
• 21:58
  it,
• 21:58
  the
• 21:59
  pleasures,
• 21:59
  the
• 21:59
  delights
• 22:00
  and
• 22:00
  the
• 22:02
  promise
• 22:02
  and
• 22:02
  all
• 22:03
  of
• 22:03
  that.
• 22:05
  It
• 22:06
  shows
• 22:06
  those
• 22:07
  and
• 22:07
  their
• 22:08
  perspective.
• 22:08
  And
• 22:09
  bringing
• 22:09
  the
• 22:09
  inner
• 22:10
  term
• 22:10
  of
• 22:10
  the
• 22:10
  soul
• 22:11
  turns
• 22:11
  inward.
• 22:12
  And
• 22:12
  the
• 22:13
  inner
• 22:13
  becomes
• 22:14
  number
• 22:15
  one.
• 22:16
  It's
• 22:16
  not
• 22:17
  like
• 22:17
  in
• 22:18
  the
• 22:18
  diamond
• 22:19
  approach
• 22:19
  specifically.
• 22:20
  It's
• 22:20
  not
• 22:21
  an
• 22:21
  ascetic
• 22:21
  path.
• 22:22
  So
• 22:22
  it's
• 22:22
  not
• 22:23
  turning
• 22:23
  away
• 22:23
  from
• 22:23
  the
• 22:24
  world.
• 22:24
  It's
• 22:25
  making
• 22:25
  the
• 22:25
  inner
• 22:26
  be
• 22:27
  the
• 22:27
  primary
• 22:29
  and
• 22:29
  lives
• 22:29
  within
• 22:30
  the
• 22:30
  outer
• 22:30
  world.
• 22:33
  So
• 22:33
  it
• 22:33
  is
• 22:33
  living
• 22:34
  in
• 22:34
  the
• 22:34
  world,
• 22:34
  but
• 22:35
  not
• 22:35
  of
• 22:35
  it
• 22:36
  is
• 22:36
  more
• 22:36
  the
• 22:36
  principle.
• 22:40
  Me
• 22:40
  do.
• 22:41
  All
• 22:41
  this
• 22:41
  aspiration,
• 22:42
  this
• 22:43
  fire
• 22:43
  for
• 22:44
  awakening
• 22:45
  has
• 22:46
  certainly
• 22:46
  been
• 22:46
  incredibly
• 22:47
  strong
• 22:48
  and
• 22:48
  central
• 22:48
  for
• 22:49
  you.
• 22:49
  And
• 22:50
  out
• 22:50
  of
• 22:50
  that
• 22:51
  has,
• 22:51
  you
• 22:51
  know,
• 22:52
  being
• 22:52
  as
• 22:54
  manifested
• 22:55
  all
• 22:55
  these
• 22:55
  incredible
• 22:56
  teachings.
• 22:56
  So
• 22:57
  a
• 22:57
  deep
• 22:58
  thank
• 22:58
  you
• 22:58
  for
• 22:58
  the
• 22:59
  purity
• 22:59
  and
• 22:59
  intensity
• 23:00
  of
• 23:00
  your
• 23:00
  own
• 23:00
  inner
• 23:01
  fire
• 23:01
  for
• 23:01
  that.
• 23:02
  And
• 23:04
  we've
• 23:04
  covered
• 23:04
  a
• 23:04
  lot.
• 23:04
  Is
• 23:05
  there
• 23:05
  anything
• 23:05
  else
• 23:05
  you'd
• 23:06
  like
• 23:06
  to
• 23:06
  add?
• 23:08
  I
• 23:09
  think
• 23:09
  you
• 23:09
  know,
• 23:10
  for
• 23:10
  the
• 23:11
  listeners
• 23:12
  is
• 23:13
  to
• 23:13
  be
• 23:14
  attentive
• 23:14
  to
• 23:15
  this
• 23:15
  inner
• 23:15
  calling
• 23:17
  which
• 23:18
  can
• 23:18
  appear
• 23:19
  as
• 23:19
  a
• 23:19
  discontent
• 23:20
  with
• 23:20
  life,
• 23:21
  can
• 23:22
  appear
• 23:22
  as
• 23:23
  meaninglessness.
• 23:24
  What
• 23:24
  is
• 23:24
  the
• 23:24
  meaning
• 23:25
  of
• 23:25
  life?
• 23:25
  Looking
• 23:26
  for
• 23:26
  the
• 23:26
  meaning
• 23:26
  of
• 23:26
  life.
• 23:28
  And
• 23:28
  we
• 23:29
  won't
• 23:29
  find
• 23:29
  the
• 23:30
  meaning
• 23:30
  outside.
• 23:31
  Some
• 23:31
  of
• 23:31
  us
• 23:31
  want
• 23:32
  meaning
• 23:32
  in
• 23:32
  life.
• 23:32
  They
• 23:33
  want
• 23:33
  to
• 23:33
  look
• 23:33
  for
• 23:34
  outside.
• 23:34
  But
• 23:35
  that
• 23:35
  is
• 23:35
  the
• 23:35
  beginning
• 23:36
  of
• 23:36
  that
• 23:36
  inner
• 23:37
  part.
• 23:38
  What
• 23:38
  is
• 23:38
  the
• 23:38
  meaning
• 23:39
  of
• 23:39
  life?
• 23:40
  Or
• 23:41
  who
• 23:41
  the
• 23:41
  hell
• 23:41
  am
• 23:42
  I?
• 23:43
  How
• 23:43
  I
• 23:43
  know
• 23:43
  myself?
• 23:45
  Delphic
• 23:47
  oracle.
• 23:48
  Know
• 23:48
  thyself.
• 23:52
  Basically
• 23:52
  pointing
• 23:53
  that
• 23:53
  Know
• 23:53
  thyself.
• 23:54
  Why
• 23:54
  Know
• 23:55
  thy
• 23:55
  self.
• 23:56
  Most
• 23:56
  people,
• 23:58
  they
• 23:58
  think
• 23:58
  they
• 23:58
  know
• 23:59
  themselves.
• 24:01
  I
• 24:01
  am
• 24:01
  such
• 24:02
  and
• 24:02
  such.
• 24:03
  My
• 24:03
  driver
• 24:04
  lies.
• 24:04
  And
• 24:05
  this
• 24:05
  is
• 24:05
  my
• 24:05
  birth
• 24:06
  certificate.
• 24:06
  And
• 24:07
  this
• 24:07
  is
• 24:07
  my
• 24:08
  all,
• 24:08
  my
• 24:08
  accomplishment
• 24:09
  and
• 24:09
  my
• 24:10
  reward.
• 24:10
  I
• 24:10
  know
• 24:11
  myself.
• 24:12
  But
• 24:13
  they
• 24:13
  are
• 24:13
  usually
• 24:13
  empty
• 24:14
  and
• 24:14
  happy
• 24:15
  and
• 24:15
  they
• 24:15
  have
• 24:15
  a
• 24:15
  lot
• 24:16
  of
• 24:16
  dissatisfaction.
• 24:19
  So
• 24:19
  it
• 24:20
  is
• 24:20
  really
• 24:20
  a
• 24:20
  movement
• 24:21
  of
• 24:21
  truth,
• 24:23
  movement
• 24:23
  toward
• 24:23
  harmony,
• 24:25
  a
• 24:25
  movement
• 24:25
  toward
• 24:26
  inner
• 24:26
  union,
• 24:28
  movement
• 24:28
  toward
• 24:29
  authenticity,
• 24:30
  a
• 24:30
  movement
• 24:31
  toward
• 24:31
  discovery,
• 24:33
  a
• 24:33
  movement
• 24:33
  toward
• 24:34
  aliveness,
• 24:36
  a
• 24:36
  movement
• 24:37
  toward
• 24:37
  mystery,
• 24:39
  a
• 24:39
  movement
• 24:39
  and
• 24:40
  an
• 24:40
  adventure.
• 24:41
  I
• 24:41
  mean,
• 24:41
  it
• 24:41
  can
• 24:41
  appear
• 24:42
  in
• 24:42
  many
• 24:42
  ways.
• 24:42
  And
• 24:43
  whenever
• 24:43
  we
• 24:44
  feel
• 24:45
  any
• 24:45
  of
• 24:45
  that,
• 24:46
  to
• 24:46
  heed
• 24:46
  it,
• 24:47
  to
• 24:47
  see
• 24:47
  it's
• 24:47
  important
• 24:49
  to
• 24:49
  not
• 24:50
  think
• 24:50
  it
• 24:50
  is
• 24:50
  just
• 24:50
  one
• 24:51
  thing
• 24:51
  among
• 24:51
  other
• 24:52
  things.
• 24:52
  No,
• 24:53
  it
• 24:53
  actually
• 24:54
  can
• 24:54
  become
• 24:54
  the
• 24:55
  central,
• 24:55
  the
• 24:56
  overriding
• 24:56
  force.
• 24:58
  Blow
• 24:58
  in
• 24:58
  that
• 24:59
  spark.
• 24:59
  Make
• 25:00
  it
• 25:00
  build
• 25:00
  the
• 25:01
  flame.
• 25:01
  Yeah,
• 25:02
  build
• 25:02
  the
• 25:02
  flame.
• 25:02
  And
• 25:03
  the
• 25:03
  stronger
• 25:03
  the
• 25:03
  flame.
• 25:05
  We
• 25:05
  are
• 25:05
  the
• 25:06
  winners.
• 25:07
  It
• 25:07
  might
• 25:08
  appear
• 25:09
  we
• 25:09
  are
• 25:09
  turning
• 25:10
  away
• 25:10
  from
• 25:10
  the
• 25:10
  world,
• 25:11
  but
• 25:11
  actually,
• 25:11
  if
• 25:12
  we
• 25:12
  realize
• 25:13
  what
• 25:13
  we
• 25:13
  are,
• 25:14
  our
• 25:14
  true
• 25:14
  nature,
• 25:15
  the
• 25:15
  world
• 25:15
  itself
• 25:16
  becomes
• 25:16
  richer.
• 25:17
  Our
• 25:18
  life
• 25:18
  in
• 25:18
  the
• 25:18
  world
• 25:18
  is
• 25:19
  richer
• 25:19
  and
• 25:19
  more
• 25:20
  satisfied.
• 25:21
  And
• 25:21
  we're
• 25:21
  better
• 25:21
  people.
• 25:22
  We're
• 25:22
  better
• 25:22
  for
• 25:23
  our
• 25:23
  family,
• 25:24
  our
• 25:24
  friends.
• 25:25
  We're
• 25:26
  nicer
• 25:27
  to
• 25:27
  be
• 25:27
  with,
• 25:28
  all
• 25:28
  of
• 25:28
  that.
• 25:29
  But
• 25:29
  that's
• 25:30
  not
• 25:30
  the
• 25:30
  point.
• 25:30
  The
• 25:30
  point
• 25:31
  is
• 25:31
  that
• 25:32
  we
• 25:32
  want
• 25:33
  to
• 25:33
  know
• 25:33
  the
• 25:33
  truth.
• 25:35
  What
• 25:35
  is
• 25:35
  God?
• 25:36
  What
• 25:36
  is
• 25:36
  truth?
• 25:36
  What
• 25:37
  is
• 25:37
  reality?
• 25:38
  I
• 25:38
  mean,
• 25:39
  the
• 25:39
  scientists
• 25:40
  want
• 25:40
  to
• 25:40
  know
• 25:40
  reality,
• 25:41
  but
• 25:41
  they're
• 25:41
  looking
• 25:41
  at
• 25:42
  it
• 25:42
  externally,
• 25:44
  which
• 25:44
  is
• 25:44
  fine.
• 25:44
  You
• 25:45
  find
• 25:45
  out
• 25:45
  about
• 25:45
  the
• 25:46
  external,
• 25:46
  but
• 25:47
  it
• 25:47
  can
• 25:47
  become
• 25:48
  an
• 25:48
  inward
• 25:49
  turn,
• 25:50
  inward
• 25:51
  searching.
• 25:52
  It's
• 25:52
  called
• 25:52
  seeking
• 25:54
  or
• 25:54
  searching.
• 25:55
  And
• 25:56
  there
• 25:56
  is
• 25:56
  the
• 25:57
  surge,
• 25:57
  the
• 25:57
  flame.
• 25:58
  I
• 25:58
  call
• 25:58
  the
• 25:58
  flame
• 25:58
  of
• 25:59
  the
• 25:59
  surge
• 25:59
  can
• 25:59
  become
• 26:00
  an
• 26:00
  intense
• 26:00
  raging
• 26:01
  fire
• 26:02
  that
• 26:02
  consumes
• 26:04
  all
• 26:04
  the
• 26:04
  obstacles
• 26:05
  within
• 26:07
  so
• 26:07
  that
• 26:09
  to
• 26:09
  reveal
• 26:10
  the
• 26:11
  true
• 26:12
  reality
• 26:13
  of
• 26:13
  the
• 26:14
  inner
• 26:14
  awareness
• 26:15
  and
• 26:15
  consciousness,
• 26:16
  which
• 26:16
  can
• 26:16
  reveal
• 26:17
  this
• 26:18
  transformative
• 26:18
  force
• 26:19
  that
• 26:19
  is
• 26:20
  really
• 26:20
  the
• 26:21
  source
• 26:21
  of
• 26:21
  this
• 26:21
  inner
• 26:22
  fire.
• 26:23
  It
• 26:23
  is
• 26:23
  the
• 26:23
  logos,
• 26:25
  you
• 26:25
  see.
• 26:26
  It's
• 26:26
  the
• 26:26
  word
• 26:27
  that
• 26:27
  is
• 26:27
  speaking
• 26:28
  through
• 26:28
  us,
• 26:30
  through
• 26:31
  our
• 26:31
  souls,
• 26:31
  our
• 26:32
  heart.
• 26:33
  Beautiful.
• 26:33
  Meaden.
• 26:35
  We
• 26:35
  are
• 26:35
  represented.
• 26:36
  We
• 26:36
  are
• 26:37
  nothing
• 26:37
  but
• 26:37
  the
• 26:37
  logos.
• 26:38
  But
• 26:38
  we
• 26:38
  don't
• 26:38
  know
• 26:39
  that.
• 26:39
  The
• 26:40
  logos
• 26:40
  speaking
• 26:41
  through
• 26:41
  what
• 26:42
  we
• 26:42
  think
• 26:42
  we
• 26:42
  are.
• 26:43
  And
• 26:43
  in
• 26:43
  time,
• 26:43
  we
• 26:44
  realize,
• 26:44
  oh,
• 26:44
  we
• 26:44
  are
• 26:45
  the
• 26:45
  logos,
• 26:45
  we
• 26:45
  are
• 26:46
  the
• 26:46
  soul.
• 26:48
  And
• 26:48
  so
• 26:49
  things
• 26:49
  turned
• 26:49
  upside
• 26:50
  down,
• 26:50
  inside
• 26:51
  out.
• 26:52
  And
• 26:52
  so
• 26:53
  interesting.
• 26:54
  So
• 26:55
  transformation.
• 26:56
  Yeah.
• 26:58
  And
• 26:58
  so
• 26:58
  beautiful
• 26:59
  and
• 27:00
  so
• 27:00
  delightful
• 27:01
  to
• 27:01
  be
• 27:01
  able
• 27:02
  to
• 27:02
  do
• 27:02
  this
• 27:02
  exploration.
• 27:03
  And
• 27:04
  it
• 27:05
  just
• 27:05
  keeps
• 27:05
  getting
• 27:06
  more
• 27:06
  and
• 27:06
  more
• 27:06
  amazing.
• 27:07
  There
• 27:07
  aren't
• 27:07
  many
• 27:07
  things
• 27:08
  I'm
• 27:08
  certain
• 27:08
  of
• 27:08
  in
• 27:09
  life,
• 27:09
  but
• 27:09
  one
• 27:09
  of
• 27:09
  them
• 27:10
  is
• 27:10
  this
• 27:10
  journey
• 27:10
  is
• 27:12
  far
• 27:12
  bigger
• 27:12
  and
• 27:13
  more
• 27:13
  mysterious
• 27:13
  and
• 27:14
  profound
• 27:14
  than
• 27:15
  I
• 27:15
  realized.
• 27:16
  Yeah.
• 27:16
  And
• 27:17
  you
• 27:17
  took
• 27:17
  us
• 27:17
  into
• 27:17
  some
• 27:18
  deep
• 27:18
  waters
• 27:18
  today,
• 27:19
  Hamid,
• 27:19
  which
• 27:20
  we're
• 27:21
  very
• 27:21
  grateful.
• 27:22
  Yeah.
• 27:23
  Yeah,
• 27:23
  thanks
• 27:23
  so
• 27:23
  much,
• 27:24
  Mead.
• 27:24
  We
• 27:24
  haven't
• 27:25
  discussed
• 27:25
  many
• 27:25
  parts
• 27:26
  of
• 27:26
  it.
• 27:26
  Like
• 27:26
  how
• 27:26
  language
• 27:27
  is
• 27:27
  related
• 27:28
  to
• 27:28
  the
• 27:28
  logos,
• 27:28
  for
• 27:29
  instance.
• 27:30
  No.
• 27:31
  How
• 27:31
  the
• 27:32
  Logan
• 27:32
  is
• 27:32
  the
• 27:33
  speaker
• 27:35
  that
• 27:35
  creation
• 27:36
  is
• 27:36
  speaking.
• 27:38
  Speaking
• 27:38
  the
• 27:38
  world
• 27:39
  or
• 27:40
  thinking
• 27:40
  the
• 27:41
  world
• 27:41
  out.
• 27:42
  There's
• 27:43
  different
• 27:43
  ways
• 27:43
  of
• 27:43
  experiencing
• 27:44
  the
• 27:44
  logic.
• 27:44
  Experience
• 27:45
  as
• 27:45
  an
• 27:45
  outer
• 27:46
  flow
• 27:46
  of
• 27:46
  substance.
• 27:47
  You
• 27:48
  can
• 27:48
  see
• 27:48
  it
• 27:48
  as
• 27:48
  an
• 27:49
  outer
• 27:49
  flow
• 27:49
  of
• 27:49
  thought,
• 27:52
  of
• 27:52
  words,
• 27:53
  all
• 27:53
  in
• 27:54
  different
• 27:54
  ways
• 27:54
  of
• 27:55
  experiencing
• 27:55
  the
• 27:55
  activity
• 27:56
  of
• 27:56
  being.
• 27:57
  Well,
• 27:58
  would
• 27:58
  you
• 27:58
  like
• 27:58
  to
• 27:58
  say
• 27:59
  something
• 27:59
  more
• 27:59
  about
• 28:00
  it,
• 28:00
  Amit?
• 28:01
  I
• 28:01
  think
• 28:01
  that's
• 28:01
  just
• 28:01
  a
• 28:02
  little
• 28:02
  reference.
• 28:03
  Okay.
• 28:04
  To
• 28:05
  complete
• 28:05
  the
• 28:05
  story
• 28:07
  next
• 28:07
  time,
• 28:08
  make
• 28:08
  it
• 28:09
  more
• 28:09
  complete.
• 28:09
  We
• 28:10
  cannot
• 28:10
  complete.
• 28:11
  We
• 28:11
  can
• 28:12
  make
• 28:12
  it
• 28:12
  just
• 28:12
  more
• 28:12
  complete.
• 28:13
  Okay.
• 28:14
  Well,
• 28:15
  we
• 28:15
  can
• 28:15
  certainly
• 28:16
  acknowledge
• 28:16
  that
• 28:17
  there's
• 28:17
  a
• 28:17
  lot
• 28:17
  more
• 28:17
  we
• 28:18
  could
• 28:18
  talk
• 28:18
  about.
• 28:20
  I
• 28:20
  know
• 28:21
  we
• 28:21
  could
• 28:21
  probably
• 28:22
  spend
• 28:23
  24
• 28:23
  hours
• 28:24
  discussing
• 28:24
  the
• 28:24
  details
• 28:25
  of
• 28:25
  this.
• 28:26
  Well,
• 28:27
  yes.
• 28:27
  This
• 28:27
  is
• 28:27
  an
• 28:28
  800
• 28:28
  page
• 28:29
  book,
• 28:29
  the
• 28:29
  Journey
• 28:30
  Home.
• 28:30
  And
• 28:31
  on
• 28:31
  more
• 28:31
  than
• 28:31
  one
• 28:31
  occasion
• 28:32
  you've
• 28:32
  said
• 28:33
  in
• 28:33
  here
• 28:33
  and
• 28:33
  in
• 28:33
  our
• 28:34
  conversations
• 28:34
  that
• 28:35
  one
• 28:35
  chapter
• 28:36
  could
• 28:36
  be
• 28:36
  expanded
• 28:37
  to
• 28:37
  the
• 28:37
  size
• 28:37
  of
• 28:38
  the
• 28:38
  book.
• 28:38
  So.
• 28:39
  Yeah.
• 28:40
  And
• 28:40
  as
• 28:40
  you
• 28:40
  know,
• 28:41
  Roger,
• 28:42
  that
• 28:42
  this
• 28:43
  book
• 28:44
  really
• 28:44
  details
• 28:45
  the
• 28:46
  knowledge
• 28:46
  of
• 28:47
  the
• 28:47
  soul
• 28:48
  and
• 28:48
  journey
• 28:48
  into
• 28:49
  the
• 28:49
  non
• 28:49
  dual
• 28:49
  dimension
• 28:50
  realization,
• 28:51
  but
• 28:52
  that
• 28:52
  the
• 28:52
  teaching
• 28:52
  has
• 28:53
  other
• 28:53
  kind
• 28:53
  of
• 28:53
  realization
• 28:54
  that
• 28:54
  are
• 28:54
  not
• 28:54
  included
• 28:55
  in
• 28:55
  this
• 28:55
  book.
• 28:57
  Many
• 28:57
  other
• 28:57
  realizations
• 28:58
  we
• 28:58
  could
• 28:58
  spend
• 28:59
  a
• 28:59
  lot
• 28:59
  of
• 28:59
  time
• 28:59
  on.
• 29:00
  So
• 29:01
  although
• 29:01
  we're
• 29:02
  emphasizing
• 29:02
  non
• 29:02
  dual,
• 29:03
  I
• 29:03
  don't
• 29:04
  want
• 29:04
  the
• 29:05
  listener
• 29:06
  to
• 29:06
  think
• 29:07
  that
• 29:07
  is
• 29:07
  all
• 29:08
  reality
• 29:08
  can
• 29:09
  be.
• 29:09
  Reality
• 29:10
  can
• 29:10
  appear
• 29:10
  in
• 29:11
  other
• 29:11
  ways
• 29:11
  that
• 29:12
  are
• 29:12
  also
• 29:12
  mysterious
• 29:13
  and
• 29:13
  interesting.
• 29:16
  And
• 29:16
  it
• 29:16
  would
• 29:17
  be
• 29:17
  wonderful.
• 29:17
  And
• 29:17
  I
• 29:18
  hope
• 29:18
  we
• 29:18
  will
• 29:19
  at
• 29:19
  some
• 29:19
  stage
• 29:20
  get
• 29:20
  to
• 29:20
  those
• 29:20
  other
• 29:20
  realizations
• 29:21
  and
• 29:21
  the
• 29:22
  further
• 29:23
  expressions
• 29:24
  and
• 29:24
  turnings,
• 29:25
  as
• 29:25
  you
• 29:25
  call
• 29:25
  them
• 29:27
  of
• 29:27
  your
• 29:27
  teaching
• 29:28
  and
• 29:28
  the
• 29:28
  diamond
• 29:29
  approach
• 29:29
  work
• 29:30
  have
• 29:31
  manifested
• 29:31
  through
• 29:32
  you.
• 29:33
  But
• 29:33
  for
• 29:33
  now,
• 29:34
  Hamid,
• 29:34
  thank
• 29:35
  you
• 29:35
  so
• 29:35
  much.
• 29:35
  This
• 29:36
  has
• 29:36
  been
• 29:36
  extraordinary.
• 29:37
  Rich
• 29:37
  as
• 29:38
  always,
• 29:38
  a
• 29:38
  priceless
• 29:39
  privilege
• 29:40
  to
• 29:40
  dialogue
• 29:40
  with
• 29:40
  you.
• 29:41
  Exciting,
• 29:42
  fun,
• 29:42
  stimulating
• 29:43
  opening.
• 29:44
  Ah,
• 29:45
  lots
• 29:45
  of
• 29:45
  things.
• 29:47
  And
• 29:48
  your
• 29:49
  study.
• 29:49
  I
• 29:49
  saw
• 29:49
  you
• 29:49
  study
• 29:50
  the
• 29:50
  other
• 29:50
  day.
• 29:51
  I
• 29:51
  went
• 29:51
  to
• 29:52
  your
• 29:52
  house.
• 29:53
  Thanks
• 29:53
  for
• 29:53
  inviting
• 29:54
  me
• 29:54
  to
• 29:54
  the
• 29:54
  gathering.
• 29:55
  I
• 29:55
  went
• 29:55
  to
• 29:56
  your
• 29:56
  house
• 29:56
  to
• 29:56
  go
• 29:56
  to
• 29:56
  bathroom.
• 29:57
  I
• 29:57
  saw
• 29:57
  you
• 29:57
  study.
• 29:57
  And
• 29:58
  that's
• 29:59
  where
• 29:59
  you
• 29:59
  Raja
• 30:00
  sits.
• 30:02
  Right.
• 30:02
  And
• 30:03
  so
• 30:03
  your
• 30:03
  books.
• 30:04
  So.
• 30:05
  And.
• 30:05
  But
• 30:05
  it
• 30:05
  is
• 30:06
  all
• 30:06
  emerging
• 30:06
  out
• 30:07
  of
• 30:07
  the
• 30:07
  logos.
• 30:08
  Yeah.
• 30:09
  Yeah,
• 30:10
  indeed.
• 30:12
  Thank
• 30:12
  you
• 30:12
  so
• 30:12
  much.
• 30:13
  Amid.
• 30:13
  What
• 30:13
  a
• 30:14
  gift.
• 30:14
  Yeah.
• 30:15
  Thank
• 30:15
  you
• 30:15
  so
• 30:15
  much.
• 30:15
  Delighted.
• 30:16
  Oh,
• 30:17
  until
• 30:17
  next
• 30:17
  time,
• 30:18
  gentlemen.
• 30:19
  Yes.
• 30:20
  They
• 30:20
  barely
• 30:20
  wait.
• 30:21
  All
• 30:21
  good
• 30:21
  for
• 30:22
  you.
• 30:22
  Indeed.
• 30:22
  Thank
• 30:23
  you.
• 30:23
  Yeah.
• 30:25
  Thank
• 30:25
  you
• 30:25
  very
• 30:26
  much
• 30:26
  for
• 30:26
  being
• 30:26
  a
• 30:27
  part
• 30:27
  of
• 30:27
  this
• 30:27
  conversation.
• 30:28
  We
• 30:28
  hope
• 30:28
  that
• 30:29
  you
• 30:29
  were
• 30:29
  moved
• 30:30
  as
• 30:30
  we
• 30:30
  are
• 30:30
  moved
• 30:31
  being
• 30:31
  part
• 30:31
  of
• 30:31
  it
• 30:31
  ourselves.
• 30:32
  We'd
• 30:33
  also
• 30:33
  like
• 30:33
  to
• 30:33
  say
• 30:33
  that
• 30:34
  this
• 30:34
  is
• 30:34
  being
• 30:34
  funded
• 30:35
  by
• 30:35
  Roger
• 30:36
  and
• 30:36
  myself.
• 30:36
  It
• 30:36
  comes
• 30:36
  out
• 30:37
  of
• 30:37
  our
• 30:37
  pockets.
• 30:37
  So
• 30:37
  if
• 30:38
  you
• 30:38
  would
• 30:38
  like
• 30:38
  to
• 30:38
  help
• 30:38
  us
• 30:39
  to
• 30:39
  mainly
• 30:40
  to
• 30:40
  get
• 30:40
  this
• 30:41
  podcast
• 30:41
  out
• 30:41
  to
• 30:41
  more.
• 30:42
  More
• 30:42
  people
• 30:42
  because
• 30:42
  the
• 30:42
  bigger
• 30:43
  audience
• 30:43
  have
• 30:43
  which
• 30:43
  is
• 30:44
  steadily
• 30:44
  growing,
• 30:44
  but
• 30:45
  the
• 30:45
  more
• 30:45
  people
• 30:45
  we
• 30:45
  can
• 30:46
  reach
• 30:46
  and
• 30:46
  the
• 30:46
  more
• 30:46
  marketing
• 30:47
  we
• 30:47
  can
• 30:47
  do,
• 30:47
  the
• 30:48
  more
• 30:48
  positive
• 30:48
  effect
• 30:49
  we
• 30:49
  can
• 30:49
  have
• 30:49
  on
• 30:49
  the
• 30:49
  world.
• 30:50
  So
• 30:50
  we've
• 30:50
  done
• 30:51
  a
• 30:51
  couple
• 30:51
  of
• 30:51
  ways,
• 30:51
  but
• 30:51
  we'd
• 30:52
  like
• 30:52
  you
• 30:52
  to
• 30:52
  buy
• 30:52
  us
• 30:53
  a
• 30:53
  cup
• 30:53
  of
• 30:53
  coffee.
• 30:54
  Very
• 30:54
  simple.
• 30:54
  And
• 30:54
  I
• 30:55
  do
• 30:55
  that
• 30:55
  with
• 30:55
  podcasts
• 30:56
  that
• 30:56
  I
• 30:57
  support
• 30:57
  and
• 30:57
  I
• 30:58
  find
• 30:58
  it's
• 30:58
  very
• 30:58
  satisfying.
• 30:59
  So
• 30:59
  thank
• 31:00
  you
• 31:00
  for
• 31:00
  your
• 31:00
  help.
• 31:00
  Thank
• 31:01
  you
• 31:01
  for
• 31:01
  your
• 31:01
  presence
• 31:02
  and
• 31:02
  thank
• 31:02
  you
• 31:02
  for
• 31:02
  all
• 31:03
  you
• 31:03
  are
• 31:03
  and
• 31:03
  all
• 31:04
  you
• 31:04
  do.
• 31:04
  We
• 31:04
  love
• 31:04
  you.
• 31:07
  Sam.