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Steve Price | 8 August · Steve Price

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Speaker 1: Live. This is Steve Price wor to the show on
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Speaker 1: this Friday, Steep Price with you. With global conflict again
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Speaker 1: dominating the news as Israel, as we know reaffirms its
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Speaker 1: intention to occupy Gaza. You won't believe the Australian government's response.
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Speaker 1: But coming up Hamas supporters Visa canceled as it should
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Speaker 1: have been amid opposition calls for the Home Affairs Minister
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Speaker 1: Tony Burke to resign over the event. Michael Schubridge will
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Speaker 1: join us on what the Gaza occupation plan actually means
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Speaker 1: to those nations supporting the recognition of Palestine and where
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Speaker 1: it leaves Anthony Albanezi and Penny Wong. We'll also have
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Speaker 1: reaction on the ground from Israel later in the program.
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Speaker 1: Widespread anger too at the Measley payout to freed and
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Speaker 1: cleared mother Kathleen Folbig, who lost four children and spent
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Speaker 1: twenty years behind bars for a crime that could say
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Speaker 1: she did not commit. What's the legal options now open
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Speaker 1: to her? Tony Carbone from Carbone Lawyers will join us
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Speaker 1: as well. But first up, I don't think there are
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Speaker 1: too many people who follow federal politics that don't believe
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Speaker 1: that one day and maybe not a far away that
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Speaker 1: Andrew Hasty, the forty four year old WA Member for Canning,
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Speaker 1: might one day lead the actual Liberal Party, the National
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Speaker 1: Liberal Party. Now being from the West makes it a
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Speaker 1: little more difficult, but not impossible. After all, if you
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Speaker 1: can survive as an active member of the second Cavalry
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Speaker 1: Regiment of the Sas fighting in Afghanistan, then long flights
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Speaker 1: to and from Canberra shouldn't be too much of a problem.
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Speaker 1: I raise Hasty today because in his role as Shadow
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Speaker 1: Minister for Home Affairs, he was asked to react to
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Speaker 1: the news that a Palestinian woman, Monas Zahed, who after
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Speaker 1: the October seven terror attacks on Israel, posted the following,
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Speaker 1: along with a picture of youngsters fleeing that music festival.
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Speaker 1: She posted, Praise be to Allah, who has kept us
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Speaker 1: alive to see this day well. Herod San had an
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Speaker 1: exclusive this morning suggesting that they believed she had been
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Speaker 1: granted a visa to come to Australia. The Home Affairs
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Speaker 1: Minister's office later today reacted and I'll get to that
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Speaker 1: in a second. But when Hasty appeared on Sky with
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Speaker 1: Kieran Gilbert this morning, he said this, this is very
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Speaker 1: black and white. She is not welcome in our country.
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Speaker 2: And I'm confident that a lot of people share the
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Speaker 2: same view. If you support a mass if you support
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Speaker 2: the slaughter of innocent men and women, you're not welcome
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Speaker 2: in this country.
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Speaker 1: It's binary. We have standards in this country and.
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Speaker 2: We don't want people who support terrorism on our shores.
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Speaker 1: And how right is he? A simple, strong, sensible and
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Speaker 1: firm reaction. Now, how many politicians in camera can you
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Speaker 1: say that about? Maybe a handful only and hasty is
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Speaker 1: spot on? I mean, Zaheed should never darken our doorstep.
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Speaker 1: On the day after Hamas Butcher's rape, shot, burned and
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Speaker 1: kidnapped all those Israeli she posted, we woke up and
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Speaker 1: got God's kingdom. I mean seriously. Now, late today someone
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Speaker 1: in Tony Burke's office, well they saw sense and the
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Speaker 1: visa for this woman and her family was canceled. Now
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Speaker 1: think about that. To have a visa canceled, you have
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Speaker 1: actually have had to have one issued in the first place. Now,
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Speaker 1: there are still many questions about this that needs some
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Speaker 1: pretty quick answers. When did this woman apply, who approved
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Speaker 1: the visa and what was she going to do when
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Speaker 1: she got here? Was it a speaking to her as
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Speaker 1: had been suggested, or was she and her family or
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Speaker 1: a husband and four children intending to move here on
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Speaker 1: a visa granted by Tony Burke. Anyway, it's been canceled
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Speaker 1: as it should have been. It should never have been
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Speaker 1: approved in the first place. Hasty today broadened his attitude
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Speaker 1: to cover anybody who supports any terrorist group. They should
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Speaker 1: not be allowed to come to Australia. And he should
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Speaker 1: know he spent part of me life fighting Al Qaeda
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Speaker 1: who were trying to kill Captain Hasty. Now, it's very
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Speaker 1: very clear.
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Speaker 2: We don't want people who support terrorism in our country.
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Speaker 1: It's a very clear standard. We hold to certain values.
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Speaker 2: We believe in parliamentary democracy, we believe in liberty under law,
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Speaker 2: we believe in respecting minorities, free speech, and we believe
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Speaker 2: in the fair go.
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Speaker 1: And if you don't sign up to that, you're not
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Speaker 1: welcome in our country. It's very simple. He's impressive. Now, Missuzahead,
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Speaker 1: her husband and four children had been supported coming to
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Speaker 1: this country, to Australia by a Melbourne artist by the
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Speaker 1: name of Matt Chun, who himself calls hamas. Wait for
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Speaker 1: this courageous indigenous resistance fighters, so you can see what
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Speaker 1: we are dealing with here. The Minister of Home Affairs,
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Speaker 1: Tony Burke, had his office put out a statement saying
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Speaker 1: the government was serious about keeping hatred out of Australia. Well,
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Speaker 1: how serious were you when you issued this woman with
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Speaker 1: a visa in the first place? I mean you just
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Speaker 1: wonder what might have happened though, if the Herald Son
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Speaker 1: had not found out about this and the Zahad family
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Speaker 1: would have turned up here, and it seems likely they
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Speaker 1: would have kept their visas. Now, Hasty is a great
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Speaker 1: choice to shadow Tony Burke, and the Coalition should give
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Speaker 1: him his head when Parliament finally resumes. He is the
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Speaker 1: sort of political leader ordinary Australians are crying out for.
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Speaker 1: I suspect he's playing the long game Andrew Hasty over leadership,
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Speaker 1: but don't be surprised if that changes sooner rather than later. Well,
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Speaker 1: today Israel's security cabinet met. It was a long cabinet
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Speaker 1: meeting apparently, and they approved Beniminetnya, who's plan to take
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Speaker 1: over Gaza City. Now this is an increase in the
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Speaker 1: territory which Israel would now claim. The majority of the
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Speaker 1: cabinet also backed five principles on ending the war itself.
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Speaker 1: These include the disarmament of Hamas, the return of all hostages,
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Speaker 1: the demilitarization of the Guards, a strip security control over Gaza,
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Speaker 1: and an alternative government which isn't Hamas or the Palestinian
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Speaker 1: authority joining me in our Strategic Analysis Australia Director Michael Schubridge, Michael,
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Speaker 1: that's pretty clear what the Israeli cabinet wants, but it's
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Speaker 1: not what some of these countries that have already said
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Speaker 1: they're going to recognize Palestine are actually saying. Is it
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Speaker 1: it goes further than.
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Speaker 3: That, Well, it actually sets out a plan that would
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Speaker 3: end the war and bring.
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Speaker 1: Peace to Gaza. But I think the first.
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Speaker 3: Thing that everyone seems to be overlooking now as we
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Speaker 3: all see the Israeli military and civilians in Gaza, is
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Speaker 3: there's an active war in Gaza between the Israeli military
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Speaker 3: and the Hamas terrorist organization. The Hamas terrorist organization is
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Speaker 3: still controlling Palestinians, killing those who oppose it, and fighting
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Speaker 3: the Israeli military. There's an active war. So recognizing a
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Speaker 3: Pstinian state that doesn't exist during an active war between
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Speaker 3: Israel and Hamas doesn't make a lot of sense to
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Speaker 3: the Israeli government, and you can understand that.
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Speaker 1: You make a good point because what gets lost in
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Speaker 1: a lot of this and we see mainly out of Gaza.
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Speaker 1: We see pictures of the Gazans themselves scrambling for food,
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Speaker 1: but we don't see images because Hamas controls the country.
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Speaker 1: We don't see images of Hamas shooting at Israeli soldiers,
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Speaker 1: do we.
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Speaker 3: No, But there's still an active fighting force controlling the
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Speaker 3: Gazan population and killing any of their opponents, but we
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Speaker 3: don't get presented with any of that in the media
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Speaker 3: and reporting. So this idea that Netnyahu has now to
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Speaker 3: control more of Gaza, well, it is actually practical. The
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Speaker 3: Israelis have occupied and controlled Gaza four years. They left
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Speaker 3: in two thousand and five and Hamas took over in
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Speaker 3: two thousand and seven, so it is an achievable plan,
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Speaker 3: but there's plenty of opposition in israel I think. The
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Speaker 3: point about the Australian government and others pushing to recognize
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Speaker 3: a Palestinian state is they have now lost all influence
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Speaker 3: over the Israeli government. They are just shouting into the void,
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Speaker 3: and so there's no leverage on netan Yahoo aside from
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Speaker 3: America and America supports the Israeli government.
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Speaker 1: Well, speaking of America, Donald Trump has dismissed this idea
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Speaker 1: that he will only meet Vladimir Putin if the Russian
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Speaker 1: president meets alongside Vladimir Zelenski first. He will meet Putin
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Speaker 1: whenever he can, won't he Trump? I mean, he's not
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Speaker 1: going to wait around for Zelinsky, as nice as that
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Speaker 1: might be.
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Speaker 3: Well, actually, I think it's essential that it be a
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Speaker 3: three way meeting. Every time Donald Trump gets in a
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Speaker 3: room with Vladimir Putin, Putin somehow convinces him that he
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Speaker 3: should stand back and let Putin wage war against Ukraine.
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Speaker 3: So the idea that Trump was about to get strong
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Speaker 3: and pressure Russia with secondary sanctions and with increased military
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Speaker 3: support to Ukraine, that looks like it's melting away again.
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Speaker 3: All Putin wants to do is buy more time to
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Speaker 3: keep doing what he's doing.
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Speaker 1: Let's have a listen to what the President said in
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Speaker 1: regard to that meeting.
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Speaker 4: President Putin said this morning, he was pretty dismissive of
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Speaker 4: this idea of meeting with President Zelenski. President Putin was
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Speaker 4: so for you to meet with him, he doesn't have
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Speaker 4: to agree to meet with Zolensky.
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Speaker 5: Is that what you're saying.
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Speaker 1: No, he doesn't.
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Speaker 6: No, No, they would like to meet with me and
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Speaker 6: I'll do whatever I can to stop the killing.
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Speaker 1: So I mean Putin he just wants to to reclaim
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Speaker 1: the land that he's already won in these battles. Doesn't
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Speaker 1: he mean he's not just going to melt away? Does
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Speaker 1: anyone really think Putin's going to now walk away from
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Speaker 1: this battle?
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Speaker 3: Putin has not changed any of his terms since.
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Speaker 7: He started his attack on Ukraine.
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Speaker 3: He wants the current Ukrainian government to be dismissed, he
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Speaker 3: wants Ukraine to be demilitarized, he wants Ukraine to have
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Speaker 3: no security support from anyone America or Europe, and he
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Speaker 3: wants to control large chunks, perhaps all of Ukraine. So
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Speaker 3: he's just playing Donald Trump again. And we've seen this
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Speaker 3: movie so many times before.
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Speaker 1: Well, Trump's put these tariffs on anyone who deals with
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Speaker 1: the Russians in regard to oil assets, and that includes
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Speaker 1: of course India, and India has become most upset about that.
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Speaker 1: How much would that affect Putin's ability to wage this war?
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Speaker 1: Michael Iff Revenue.
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Speaker 3: Driver, Well, remember Trump isn't talking about it. These oil
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Speaker 3: sanctions on China. China is an enormous buyer of Russian
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Speaker 3: oil and is enabling Russian's production of these lethal drones
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Speaker 3: in their thousands. So Russia will still have an economic
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Speaker 3: lifeline to China and it will still be enabled to
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Speaker 3: fight its war by China. Nothing Trump is doing will
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Speaker 3: change that. And let's see if he follows through on
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Speaker 3: these sanctions against India. But why not put pressure directly
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Speaker 3: on Russia by giving Ukraine what it needs to fight
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Speaker 3: the war.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be a sensible thing to do. Just
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Speaker 1: for you go you're in camera. Of course, he's strained
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Speaker 1: and reported this week that a woman who allegedly spied
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Speaker 1: on a Buddhist sext in camera for China actually ran
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Speaker 1: a popular business in canbra itself full of SPI's camera.
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Speaker 1: Is it still well?
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Speaker 3: Canberra is the nation's capital, It's where all the politicians come,
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Speaker 3: It's where key government agencies, including national security agencies.
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Speaker 1: Are, So it's a logical spot.
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Speaker 3: For someone tasked by the Chinese security agencies.
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Speaker 1: To do work.
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Speaker 3: I think it'd be crazy to think that someone who's
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Speaker 3: willing to work for a Chinese security agency, as this
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Speaker 3: woman is charged with doing, would confine themselves to just
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Speaker 3: a Buddhist group in Canberra. So this is the point
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Speaker 3: Mike Burgess was making. The foreign interference threat from China
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Speaker 3: is real. We can see that.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Thanks to your time as usual, Michael could to
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Speaker 1: catch up with you on a Friday night. You have
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Speaker 1: a great weekend. I want to turn my attention back
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Speaker 1: to South Australia, my home state, of course, and the
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Speaker 1: story that I talked about two weeks ago, this algill
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Speaker 1: bloom that's still causing major problems for small fishing businesses,
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Speaker 1: large fishing businesses, oyster growers. I mean some people there
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Speaker 1: are living off as little as fifteen dollars a day.
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Speaker 1: I raised it because I've got my elderly mother actually
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Speaker 1: lives adjacent to a beach where the algae bloom has
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Speaker 1: been seen. Now, there was a meeting, I think it
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Speaker 1: was Tuesday night, a forum where the Premier, Peter Malanowskis
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Speaker 1: turned up and one of the one of the people
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Speaker 1: at that forum stood up and said, listen, there's no
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Speaker 1: more fish left to catch. As I said, Peter Malanowskus
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Speaker 1: was there and my next guest, professor Mike Steer from
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Speaker 1: the ESA Research and in Development Institute he was there
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Speaker 1: as well. Great to have you on the program. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I think that South Australians fearly being still ignored by
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Speaker 1: the rest of the country who don't understand how serious
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Speaker 1: this is. Would you agree with that.
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Speaker 8: Look, this is an unprecedented event that we're experiencing in
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Speaker 8: South Australia. Although we've had alga blooms in the past,
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Speaker 8: the extent and I guess the endurance of this algal
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Speaker 8: bloom is something that we haven't experienced before.
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Speaker 1: It's your area of expertise what causes it.
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Speaker 8: So there's probably three big ecosystem changes that have occurred
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Speaker 8: over the past few years. We've had a significant flood
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Speaker 8: in the Murray River, you know, the flood that we
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Speaker 8: hadn't seen since nineteen fifty six that flushed quite a
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Speaker 8: lot of nutrients and organic material into the system. We've
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Speaker 8: had an incredible upwelling event in South Australia and the
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Speaker 8: twenty three twenty four summer that's when all the cold,
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Speaker 8: nutrient rich waters from deep come up and hit the
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Speaker 8: surface and really kickstart productivity and support our incredible fisheries
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Speaker 8: and aquaculture and biodiversity. That event lasted for a long
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Speaker 8: longer than expected time. You know, we hadn't seen the
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Speaker 8: lo likes of that for about twenty five years. And
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Speaker 8: then to top it all off, South Australia and a
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Speaker 8: lot of other parts of Southern Australia and around the
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Speaker 8: coastline experienced a marine heat wave. We're in about two
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Speaker 8: thousand sorry in September twenty twenty four, we're experiencing temperatures
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Speaker 8: at about two and a half degrees higher than we
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Speaker 8: would expect. So all these converged to really promote the
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Speaker 8: proliferation of this particular algae species. I should say, though,
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Speaker 8: you know, not all olgill blooms are harmful. It's just
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Speaker 8: in this case there's a species that's in a genus
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Speaker 8: called Krenia that is causing the problems.
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Speaker 1: What does it do? Does it actually take oxygen out
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Speaker 1: of the water? Is that what causes the problem for
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Speaker 1: the seafood?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it does a couple of things. First of all,
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Speaker 8: it's a small, a diner flage like a like a
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Speaker 8: micro algae. When it blooms, it can be in quite
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Speaker 8: large concentrations in the water, and you can and in
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Speaker 8: those large concentrations you can see the waters discolored but
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Speaker 8: it really interacts with we see see with marine creatures
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Speaker 8: that use gills to breathe, that clocked up their gills
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Speaker 8: effectively and suffocates them. The other thing it does is
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Speaker 8: when it when it crashes and starts to decompose, it
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Speaker 8: also draws all the oxygen out of the water, so
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Speaker 8: it makes it very challenging for those gill breathing organisms
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Speaker 8: to to to breathe. So what we see as this
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Speaker 8: bloom moves around with the currents, you get these localized
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Speaker 8: pockets of of of mortality where we're seeing you large
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Speaker 8: quantities of fish and marine marine life, gill breathing marine
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Speaker 8: life wash up. And of course this is the community
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Speaker 8: see this and very much engaged with this process.
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Speaker 1: Just finally, is the only solution to wait it out?
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Speaker 1: There's nothing you can actually do.
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Speaker 8: Well, there's a there's a's a natural event, right, and
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Speaker 8: there is experience to elsewhere around the world, and we've
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Speaker 8: seen it in South Korea, in New Zealand, and in
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Speaker 8: the US the Florida Coast in particular deals with this.
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Speaker 8: So there is that there is an aspect of letting
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Speaker 8: nature take its course. But I think the focus that
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Speaker 8: we're looking at is understanding more around the dynamics of
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Speaker 8: this bloom, how to measure the impact on the on
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Speaker 8: the key fisheries resources and aquatic resources that we have,
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Speaker 8: including our marine ecosystem, and how can we detect it
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Speaker 8: and be more prepared and forecasted if we've got the
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Speaker 8: capability to do that, so the state can be more
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Speaker 8: prepared in the event that this happens in the future,
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Speaker 8: and obviously share that information not only with the South
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Speaker 8: Australian community who are heavily engaged in this process, but
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Speaker 8: also nationally because clearly there'll be a national focus on
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Speaker 8: South Australia here. But I do want to say one
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Speaker 8: thing and emphasize it only represents a small proportion of
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Speaker 8: our coast that's being impacted. We've got over seventy percent
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Speaker 8: of our coast that's not impacted. So we've still got fantastic,
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Speaker 8: iconic South Australian seafood resources that are available for the consumers.
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Speaker 8: We've still got regions that are that are relying on
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Speaker 8: tourism to come and explore our fantastic coastline. So even
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Speaker 8: though the algae issue is dominating the media, let's put
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Speaker 8: it in perspective. It's only really impacting a less than
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Speaker 8: about a quarter of our extensive state.
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Speaker 1: Plus you've got the Adelaide Crows on top of the ladder.
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Speaker 8: And that's the greatest news.
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Speaker 4: Go Crows.
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Speaker 1: I thought you'd be happy with that, Professor HD you
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Speaker 1: thank you very much for joining us. Good luck with
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Speaker 1: the pet line. The algae bloom now coming up after
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Speaker 1: the break cause for Kathleen Folbig to be offered a
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Speaker 1: much larger payout over her wrongful conviction. Talk to a
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Speaker 1: lawyer about that, plus backlash over the government's decision to
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Speaker 1: lower English test requirements for some migrant visas. Welcome actually
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Speaker 1: price with you. Yesterday around this time we learned that
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Speaker 1: Kathleen Folbig will only be receiving two million dollars from
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Speaker 1: the New South Wales government. Now, this case is very
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Speaker 1: complex and its long running. She spent twenty years behind
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Speaker 1: bars in jail after being wrongfully convicted of killing her
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Speaker 1: for children. Now her solicitor has slammed the payout as
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Speaker 1: quote profoundly unfair and unjust. Issues.
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Speaker 9: We will keep fighting because the government should not be
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Speaker 9: able to think that they can provide a figure like
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Speaker 9: this for taking away two decades of someone's life.
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Speaker 1: One of the first lawyers to argue against her conviction.
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Speaker 1: Emma Cunliffe has called for the payment to be increased
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Speaker 1: to eight to ten million dollars. Joining me now to
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Speaker 1: discuss this is Carbone, Lawyer's managing partner, Tony Carbone. Tony
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Speaker 1: two million dollars for twenty years behind bars, wrongfully in prison.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't sound enough.
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Speaker 7: That sounds very light. She's lost the best yes of
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Speaker 7: her life. She hasn't had the benefit of working, earning money, superannuation.
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Speaker 7: She's lost twenty years of her lot.
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Speaker 1: So if you were her lawyer, what would you have
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Speaker 1: expected it to get?
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Speaker 7: Realistically, I would have at least ten million, I think.
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Speaker 1: So how do they work this out? Is there an equation?
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Speaker 1: Is there a precedent set whereby they can go well,
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Speaker 1: I think someone raised the fact that Lindy Chamberlin back
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Speaker 1: in the day, I'll be served three years in jail.
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Speaker 1: She got somewhere around one point seven million, which would
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Speaker 1: be worth a lot more than that today. But there's
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Speaker 1: not a lot of these cases, are there.
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Speaker 7: Steve. There's no obligation on the government to make payment
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Speaker 7: to anyone that's wrongly convicted. It's an ex crasher payment
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Speaker 7: which means that it's a payment or an act of
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Speaker 7: grace on the part of the government, and it's only
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Speaker 7: made in circumstances where there's been some sort of misfeacens
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Speaker 7: on the part of a government department or their officers
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Speaker 7: or agents. Now in Victoria, I can say for a
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Speaker 7: fact that there's been very few X Crasher payments made.
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Speaker 7: The one that probably stands out for me is the
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Speaker 7: Jason Roberts case.
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Speaker 1: He was he jailed for the silk miller.
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Speaker 7: He's spent twenty years in jail and he was convicted
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Speaker 7: with bar Dhi Devs of killing silker Miller and his
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Speaker 7: lawyersho On know pretty well. They argued and they got
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Speaker 7: a retroll.
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Speaker 1: He was acquitted.
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Speaker 7: There was misfleasance on the part of the police because
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Speaker 7: there was issues and osphake to the lard. He said
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Speaker 7: that these statements by the police have been fabricated. They
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Speaker 7: sort of married everything up and made a match up.
22:04
Speaker 1: So that argument is that if somebody, an employee of
22:08
Speaker 1: the government makes a fundamental error, or in.
22:12
Speaker 7: This case, you could even go one step further and
22:14
Speaker 7: say it was almost deliberate.
22:15
Speaker 1: Deliberate error, yeh. So then you can calculate that somebody's
22:18
Speaker 1: made a mistake or a deliberate mistake, and so the
22:22
Speaker 1: victim deserves a payout. Well, why can't you make that
22:24
Speaker 1: argument in the case of Kathleen Folby. Well, the thing about,
22:28
Speaker 1: let's Department of Prosecution with Roberts to run the trial.
22:31
Speaker 7: In Victoria, we do not have a piece of legislation
22:35
Speaker 7: that entitles you to an excrasher payment in your cell files.
22:38
Speaker 7: They've got a Treasury circular and the governments sect the
22:42
Speaker 7: Finance Act. But you've got to satisfize special circumstances. You've
22:45
Speaker 7: got to show that you've sustained a verifiable loss. You
22:49
Speaker 7: got to shout that you didn't pay any part, you
22:51
Speaker 7: had no part the plane that loss. You know, you've
22:54
Speaker 7: got to show that someone in government or an official
22:57
Speaker 7: police person or whatever.
22:59
Speaker 1: But how much does it motion come into play here?
23:02
Speaker 1: I mean, you take a woman, put her in jail,
23:04
Speaker 1: she's there twenty years, she's accused of killing her own children.
23:07
Speaker 1: I mean, it's law. Does the lord just make emotion disappear.
23:12
Speaker 7: Or there's not much sare to help the person. The
23:14
Speaker 7: legislation's not there in Victoria, there is no legislation, So
23:19
Speaker 7: it's a question of fairness and justice, and a minister
23:21
Speaker 7: does whatever they like. They give it to you and
23:24
Speaker 7: you take what you get. Now, the thing is, unless
23:27
Speaker 7: they put some clear cut guidelines as to how people
23:30
Speaker 7: are compensated in these sorts of circumstances, we're going to
23:33
Speaker 7: keep getting this situation. So they need guidelines.
23:36
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about the Mushroom coase. Today
23:37
Speaker 1: we learned that the estranged husband of Aaron Patterson accused
23:41
Speaker 1: her of a coordinative plan to kill him. Allegations are
23:44
Speaker 1: the mushroom murder jury never heard that, but accord or
23:48
Speaker 1: today release that suppressed evidence. Why would the jury not
23:51
Speaker 1: have been told about that?
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Speaker 7: Steve, the judge's got to balance up. He's got to
23:55
Speaker 7: make a judgment call as to whether it's in the
24:00
Speaker 7: best interest of justice to get that evidence in in
24:04
Speaker 7: view of the fact that it didn't involve the circumstances
24:07
Speaker 7: surrounding the deaths of those people right now, so to
24:12
Speaker 7: judge makes yes, and he's got to work out is
24:15
Speaker 7: it in the best intereas of justice to get that
24:17
Speaker 7: evidence in or is it too prejudicial to the defense. Realistically,
24:22
Speaker 7: if that evidence goes in, she goes down no matter
24:25
Speaker 7: what you understand.
24:27
Speaker 1: What I do understand. So if the Dreary were told
24:29
Speaker 1: that her husband claims that she was trying to kill him,
24:32
Speaker 1: I mean.
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Speaker 7: Oh she's done, She's got no hope. And they would
24:35
Speaker 7: have argued that before the trial. That would have been
24:38
Speaker 7: one of those applications made before the jury was even selected.
24:42
Speaker 1: Good stuff, Thank you, Tony, appreciate you coming in. Thank you,
24:44
Speaker 1: Tony Carbone there from Carbon Lawyers. Now joining me now
24:47
Speaker 1: my Friday Night regular from a Queensland Premier Campbell Newman Campbell.
24:53
Speaker 1: The government this morning, we've learned in the Australian has
24:56
Speaker 1: decided to water down the English test requirement for some visas.
25:02
Speaker 1: I mean concerns US will only make the out of
25:04
Speaker 1: control migration crisis worth how much English? Should a person
25:08
Speaker 1: who gets the Golden Ticket to come and live in
25:10
Speaker 1: Australia be required to be able to speak and read
25:13
Speaker 1: and understand before they get a visa?
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Speaker 6: Well, J Steve, Well, you know, there's a very bit
25:21
Speaker 6: of detail on this one in terms of what the
25:23
Speaker 6: criteria mean and the various sort of rungs that you
25:27
Speaker 6: can set. But the story is really indicating the bar
25:31
Speaker 6: is being set quite low. That someone can actually sort
25:34
Speaker 6: of answer very simple questions about what is your name,
25:39
Speaker 6: where are you from? That sort of standard is what's
25:44
Speaker 6: being suggested is where we're going to, and that does
25:47
Speaker 6: seem to be pretty pretty low. You know, I'm all
25:51
Speaker 6: for people being able to come and start a new
25:54
Speaker 6: life in this country, but I also think we need
25:57
Speaker 6: to be really very careful about what we're doing here.
26:00
Speaker 6: We need to have people who can integrate, but we
26:02
Speaker 6: need to have people who can also fulfill a productive role.
26:06
Speaker 6: Otherwise it's more of a drain on the tax bars.
26:09
Speaker 6: I mean, large scale immigration is all very well for
26:13
Speaker 6: the federal government with their stats, the way they're measured,
26:15
Speaker 6: the economy, etc. But it puts a huge burden on
26:19
Speaker 6: state governments. We've got to provide the hospitals and schools,
26:22
Speaker 6: police services, and an even bigger one on local government
26:26
Speaker 6: who really pick up the tab. So I really question
26:30
Speaker 6: firstly the governance of this. It doesn't seem like a
26:32
Speaker 6: good idea, but the politics and the optics I think
26:35
Speaker 6: that's even worse.
26:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we all agree probably migration levels are
26:40
Speaker 1: too high. But you and I I'm old enough. You
26:42
Speaker 1: may not be, but I'm certainly old enough to remember
26:45
Speaker 1: when we had the mass migration levels post World War
26:48
Speaker 1: Two out of Europe in the fifties, people from an
26:51
Speaker 1: Italy and Greece largely, and from what was the state Yugoslavia.
26:57
Speaker 1: You know, I had mates whose parents were Italian and Greek,
27:00
Speaker 1: and often particularly the mother never learned to speak English,
27:05
Speaker 1: I mean, and they spoke Greek into Italian at home.
27:07
Speaker 1: That didn't seem to cause us too much trouble. Yeah, look, I.
27:11
Speaker 6: Think that well, that's actually a really fair point, Steve,
27:14
Speaker 6: and I think it is important to reflect on historically
27:16
Speaker 6: what's happened like that. Those were slightly different times, particularly
27:21
Speaker 6: post World War Two, in the first sort of ten
27:24
Speaker 6: to fifteen years, where Europe had been upended by World
27:28
Speaker 6: War II and there was a you know, there was
27:32
Speaker 6: a there were a lot of people who were almost
27:34
Speaker 6: a refugee status back then. But I think we're at
27:39
Speaker 6: a state now where we're taking such vast numbers in
27:43
Speaker 6: we are developing a real problem in that we we're
27:48
Speaker 6: sort of we're diluting what it is to be Australian.
27:52
Speaker 6: And I think the great thing about the immigration waves
27:55
Speaker 6: of the past is it's been my humble opinion better managed,
28:00
Speaker 6: and there's been a far greater commitment to actually becoming
28:03
Speaker 6: an Australian and bringing some great things from where you've
28:07
Speaker 6: come from, but then also signing on to Australian values.
28:11
Speaker 6: And the Greeks and the Italians came. They were more
28:16
Speaker 6: the odd ones out in those days compared to the Breads,
28:20
Speaker 6: but they certainly have made their mark on Australia a
28:22
Speaker 6: very positive way. Can we say that where we're going
28:25
Speaker 6: right now? I'm not so confident.
28:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, me either, And I must check whether are student
28:31
Speaker 1: visas that are issued, whether that language applies to a
28:34
Speaker 1: student visa, But I'll have to do some work on that.
28:36
Speaker 1: During the week, the courier Mail Up your Way reported
28:39
Speaker 1: that a pro Palestinian group here we Go Again is
28:42
Speaker 1: going to launch an application to shut down the story
28:45
Speaker 1: Bridge for a protest. They've given plenty of warning. This
28:48
Speaker 1: is August twenty four. This group is Justice for Palestine.
28:52
Speaker 1: They say seven thousand people will take part. Will Brisbane
28:57
Speaker 1: be as accommodating as the people of Sydney ended up
29:01
Speaker 1: being last Sunday?
29:04
Speaker 6: Well, I don't think Brisbane and Queensland as will be
29:08
Speaker 6: as accommodating, but they will get their support up here,
29:10
Speaker 6: and as you know from previous comments, I support people's
29:13
Speaker 6: right to march. What though annoys me about this, of course,
29:17
Speaker 6: is I don't agree with the cause. I think it's
29:20
Speaker 6: I think it's misplaced. I think it ignores the terrible
29:23
Speaker 6: atrocities of Hallas, which Israel is having to make a
29:28
Speaker 6: devil's barg and you know they're in this quandary about
29:31
Speaker 6: how to deal with it. To shut down the story
29:34
Speaker 6: Bridge is a complete living pain and that you know
29:36
Speaker 6: what you know, And like I mean, I'm po with
29:42
Speaker 6: a government or a whole range of issues at the moment.
29:45
Speaker 6: A few of my mates shut down the story Bridge
29:47
Speaker 6: because we don't like, okay, the concept of unrealized gains
29:52
Speaker 6: being taxed. For example, there was a group back in
29:55
Speaker 6: May in Brisbane who were upset about the council shutting
29:58
Speaker 6: down the pedesta in footpaths on the bridge because of
30:01
Speaker 6: maintenance issues, they weren't allowed to march. I mean, you've
30:05
Speaker 6: got to be careful here. We're going to have two
30:07
Speaker 6: tiered policing and two tiered sort of praise.
30:10
Speaker 1: Well, I mean they have to be consistent. I'll join
30:14
Speaker 1: the superannuation march. I'll be the first one to put
30:16
Speaker 1: my hand up. Thank you Campbell. Good on you. I'll
30:18
Speaker 1: talk to you next week. Now, after the break the
30:20
Speaker 1: fight out of Victorian government's push to lock in two
30:23
Speaker 1: days a week working, they're going to make it law.
30:26
Speaker 1: Why business groups say it could actually cripple Melbourne's recovery.
30:30
Speaker 1: Class will cross to Israel for a reaction to the
30:33
Speaker 1: Gaza occupation plan. Welcome back, Take you to Israel in
30:40
Speaker 1: just a moment now. I think at the weekend when
30:42
Speaker 1: the Premier is Cindre Allen in Victoria stood up and
30:45
Speaker 1: said she was going to make it law for people
30:48
Speaker 1: to be able to work from home two days a week,
30:50
Speaker 1: most people, particularly those who run businesses, could not believe
30:54
Speaker 1: what they were hearing. Anyone who's walked through the center
30:56
Speaker 1: of Melbourne on a weekday, particularly it would seem on
30:59
Speaker 1: a Monday and on a Friday, could tell you this
31:03
Speaker 1: is a really bad idea. It follows, of course, the
31:06
Speaker 1: office occupancy rates that I told you about yesterday. Melbourne's
31:09
Speaker 1: got more empty offices than anywhere else in the country
31:12
Speaker 1: and it's really affecting. It's hollowed out the center of
31:16
Speaker 1: many of our Sydney cities, including Sydney. That's no different.
31:20
Speaker 1: Here to chat further, Australian Restaurant and Cafe Association chief,
31:23
Speaker 1: Where's Lambert, Good to see you again. Where's what did
31:26
Speaker 1: you make of that when you heard the Premier say
31:28
Speaker 1: I might make it law that an employee can say
31:31
Speaker 1: to an employer or a boss. Well, the law says
31:35
Speaker 1: I can work from two days from home a week,
31:37
Speaker 1: I'll see you on Wednesday. Okay.
31:40
Speaker 5: First I thought it was a joke because any parliamentarian,
31:44
Speaker 5: anyone who has any government experience at all, knows that
31:46
Speaker 5: the federal government controls industrial relations, controls things like how
31:52
Speaker 5: many days a week people work in an office, or
31:55
Speaker 5: where an employer can require someone to work. So ultimately
31:59
Speaker 5: we saw this as a populist voter gram. So this
32:02
Speaker 5: is early days before an election in the future where
32:06
Speaker 5: we see the Victorian premier just trying to get votes.
32:09
Speaker 5: Because ultimately, all an employer has to do is take
32:13
Speaker 5: this to the Farework Commission or potentially the High Court
32:16
Speaker 5: and it would just be overturned. It's not real legislation.
32:21
Speaker 1: So the state government can't overturn the federal law when
32:25
Speaker 1: it comes to workplace relations, right.
32:29
Speaker 5: No, Ultimately, look it's a popular statement and it certainly
32:32
Speaker 5: will gardner some votes. And if the Premier does ensure
32:37
Speaker 5: that this becomes law in Victoria and requires business to
32:41
Speaker 5: abide by it until someone actually sues the government and
32:43
Speaker 5: they will win. Ultimately, they need to come back with
32:47
Speaker 5: something like the voucher system that they had during COVID
32:51
Speaker 5: to ensure that people do come to the offices on
32:54
Speaker 5: Mondays and Fridays. Otherwise Melbourne CBD will turn into a
32:57
Speaker 5: ghost town from you know, really Thursday evening until Tuesday morning.
33:03
Speaker 5: We know that international tourism numbers remain dangerously low at
33:08
Speaker 5: twenty sixteen levels, and so we're just not going to
33:11
Speaker 5: get the footfall in Melbourne CBD that we need in
33:14
Speaker 5: order to ensure that the restaurants and cafes stay open.
33:19
Speaker 1: You wouldn't have been surprised was yesterday when the Australian
33:22
Speaker 1: ran those stats on office vacancy rights and the fact
33:26
Speaker 1: that Melbourne heads the entire country when it comes to
33:30
Speaker 1: vacancy over twelve months. I think it was Sunday around
33:33
Speaker 1: you know, one in five offices are actually still empty
33:37
Speaker 1: after COVID, A these years after COVID.
33:41
Speaker 5: Yeah, look, we're all for work life balance. The problem
33:44
Speaker 5: is is that every major CBD was designed to have
33:47
Speaker 5: office workers Monday to Friday. And so when you upend
33:51
Speaker 5: that entire model, which has been really the Australian and
33:55
Speaker 5: global model for all of time. It's why you have
33:58
Speaker 5: CBDs and transport hubs and trains and trams. It's the
34:02
Speaker 5: way that cities are designed. When you go against that
34:05
Speaker 5: to get votes to be populist, all you're doing is
34:09
Speaker 5: damning all of the commercial buildings in Melbourne CBD and
34:12
Speaker 5: damning all of the businesses in Melbourne CBD. You have
34:15
Speaker 5: to have a balanced solution. You need the other side
34:18
Speaker 5: of the coin. Otherwise it's just going to harm business
34:22
Speaker 5: and ultimately that just puts people out of jobs.
34:26
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Where's it was good to catch up. Thanks for
34:28
Speaker 1: joining us on this Friday night. Thanks so much. Now
34:33
Speaker 1: to News out of the Middle East today. I mentioned
34:35
Speaker 1: it at the beginning of the program. Benimin Nitt and
34:37
Speaker 1: Yahoo's office. They put out a statement and this statement
34:40
Speaker 1: details the approved plans to occupy Gaza Gaza City and
34:44
Speaker 1: five principles for any in the war. They include the
34:48
Speaker 1: Cabinet apparently adopted this by a majority vote. By the way,
34:51
Speaker 1: the Israeli PM says he has no intention of permanently
34:54
Speaker 1: governing Gaza, only to prevent Hamas from regaining control. Our
34:59
Speaker 1: Foreign Minister Wong has come out today to say this
35:02
Speaker 1: is not the path Israel should be taking, she said. Quote.
35:05
Speaker 1: Australia calls on Israel to not go down this path,
35:08
Speaker 1: which will only worsen the humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza. With
35:13
Speaker 1: international partners, Australia maintains our call for a ceasefire, the
35:17
Speaker 1: return of hostages and aid to flow unimpeded, a Palestinian
35:22
Speaker 1: state and the State of Israel living side by side
35:24
Speaker 1: in peace and security, with internationally recognized borders. On the
35:29
Speaker 1: ground in Israel. The chief executive of the Australian Jewish Association,
35:33
Speaker 1: Robert Gregory, joins me, thank you very much for your time.
35:37
Speaker 1: You're on the ground in a day that's very historical
35:40
Speaker 1: when you consider what the Israeli cabinet has decided to do.
35:44
Speaker 1: What do you make of that?
35:46
Speaker 10: Well, I think the multi front walls which began on
35:50
Speaker 10: October seventh when Hamas attacked Israel, are coming to an end.
35:54
Speaker 10: We've seen the Iranian nuclear program destroyed, We've seen Hesbulla
35:58
Speaker 10: now being disarmed by Lebanese government. But one thing remains.
36:02
Speaker 10: There are still fifty Israeli hostages held in dungeons, held
36:07
Speaker 10: in tunnels underneath Gaza. Twenty of them are believed to
36:11
Speaker 10: be alive, and Israel has a responsibility not to end
36:15
Speaker 10: this war, not to retreat until these hostages are returned
36:19
Speaker 10: to their families. And I think we were quite close
36:23
Speaker 10: to a ceasefire deal when a bunch of Western nations
36:27
Speaker 10: started increasing pressure on Israel, threatening to recognize a state
36:32
Speaker 10: of Pales sign. I think this has caused Harms to
36:35
Speaker 10: retreat from those negotiations, seeing that they were getting the
36:39
Speaker 10: results they wanted anyway, So I think the ceasefire talks
36:43
Speaker 10: are dead. There needs to be another solution. And you
36:46
Speaker 10: mentioned Penny Wong's words. I've been meeting some leaders here
36:50
Speaker 10: in Israel, and I have to say, I don't think
36:52
Speaker 10: anybody is listening to what Penny Wong is saying. People
36:55
Speaker 10: are aware that she did not even visit the sites
36:59
Speaker 10: of the massacres in Israel, places which I've just been
37:02
Speaker 10: to and which are very very confronting, and perhaps if
37:05
Speaker 10: she had visited, she would have learned something. But what
37:09
Speaker 10: I have noticed I've been to Israel several times and
37:12
Speaker 10: they like Australians here, and usually when you say you're
37:16
Speaker 10: from Australia, you'll get a reaction something like, you know,
37:20
Speaker 10: kangaroos or Bondi Beach. But this time when I mentioned
37:23
Speaker 10: I'm from Australia, the reaction from Israelis is, you know,
37:27
Speaker 10: we're very sorry for what you guys have been through.
37:30
Speaker 10: So Australia is making the news in Israel for all
37:33
Speaker 10: the wrong reasons. It's a country at war, but the
37:36
Speaker 10: Israelis are very worried about some of the recent anti
37:39
Speaker 10: Semitic attacks that they've seen in Australia. So there's a
37:42
Speaker 10: lot going on in the Middle East, and I just unfortunately,
37:45
Speaker 10: I think the Australian government doesn't really have much influence here.
37:51
Speaker 1: Would you say our reputation is a bit tarnished.
37:56
Speaker 10: It's certainly tarnished. I mean, again, as I said, Australia
37:59
Speaker 10: is far away. People have nice thoughts about it. Many
38:04
Speaker 10: Israeli's travel here. They know things, they know on beach,
38:08
Speaker 10: they know the nice animals, the friendly people we have.
38:11
Speaker 10: But lately they've seen pictures of burning synagogues, hateful marches.
38:16
Speaker 10: So yeah, their reaction. It's a country of war, and
38:21
Speaker 10: they are more concerned about the Australian and what is
38:24
Speaker 10: going on over.
38:25
Speaker 1: Here, they worry about us. So I think that says
38:28
Speaker 1: quite a bit, Robert, We've got a unique opportunity. You're
38:34
Speaker 1: on the ground there. I mean, how do you read
38:36
Speaker 1: the mood of the average Israeli in regard to what
38:41
Speaker 1: the IDF are having to go through in Gaza? Is
38:45
Speaker 1: it possible to summarize? I guess whether the net Nyahu
38:50
Speaker 1: government and the Israeli military still have popular support for
38:55
Speaker 1: what's happening.
38:57
Speaker 10: So Israel's quite unique in that the military is a
39:01
Speaker 10: it's compulsory service, so everyone has, you know, a son
39:05
Speaker 10: or a brother or a neighbor in the army at
39:07
Speaker 10: the moment or in the reserves. So the army has
39:10
Speaker 10: incredible support. Obviously, politically, people are divided. There's people that
39:15
Speaker 10: love ned and Yahoo he keeps winning elections, and then
39:19
Speaker 10: there's people that don't like him and they often protest
39:21
Speaker 10: in the street. So there is a vision there. But
39:23
Speaker 10: I think on the goals of the war there is unity.
39:27
Speaker 10: So all across Israel, you see a few things that
39:30
Speaker 10: I haven't seen on previous visits. You see pictures of
39:33
Speaker 10: the hostages and signs saying, you know, until the last one,
39:37
Speaker 10: so until the last hostage has returned, Israe must continue.
39:41
Speaker 10: And then you also see signs just you know, until victory.
39:44
Speaker 10: There's many pictures of fallen soldiers. People know the terrible,
39:48
Speaker 10: terrible price that they've paid for this war in their
39:51
Speaker 10: young eighteen year old men that have died of eight
39:54
Speaker 10: hundred in Gaza, and they want that the victory should
39:59
Speaker 10: their deaths should not be in vain, that the terrorist
40:01
Speaker 10: group should be destroyed, that it cannot carry out an
40:05
Speaker 10: October seven again, as Harmas has promised to do, to
40:08
Speaker 10: keep doing.
40:08
Speaker 1: It again and again.
40:10
Speaker 10: So I think while Israeli's may disagree on some of
40:13
Speaker 10: the politics, there's incredible unity about the goals of the war.
40:21
Speaker 1: Just before you go, we saw some horrendous images during
40:23
Speaker 1: the week of two of those hostages. One man so
40:27
Speaker 1: emaciated that you could barely look at it. He was
40:30
Speaker 1: digging his own grave. It appeared when pictures and images
40:34
Speaker 1: like that are released, and they were released by Hamas
40:37
Speaker 1: for whatever purpose, I've really got no idea what's the
40:41
Speaker 1: feeling in Israel on the ground when you see something
40:44
Speaker 1: like that.
40:46
Speaker 10: I mean, these images are very traumatic. They don't get
40:50
Speaker 10: released in Israel until the families of the hostages have
40:53
Speaker 10: given permission for their loved ones to be shown, which
40:56
Speaker 10: they did in this case. And people understand Hamas is
41:00
Speaker 10: a terrorist group. It's playing psychological games manipulation against the public.
41:05
Speaker 10: They release it to try and pressure Israelis to give
41:09
Speaker 10: in to all their demands. In this particular image we saw,
41:13
Speaker 10: you can see the arm of a Hummas terrorist in
41:17
Speaker 10: the images while you see the starving Israeli hostage and
41:20
Speaker 10: the Hamas is not starving there his arm looks completely normal,
41:24
Speaker 10: even a.
41:25
Speaker 1: Bit fat, one might say.
41:26
Speaker 10: So it puts some of these lies that there's wide
41:30
Speaker 10: scale that everyone in guards is starving, But we are
41:33
Speaker 10: One thing we are certain of is that the Israeli
41:35
Speaker 10: hostages are being starved and it's cruel. It must end,
41:39
Speaker 10: and it seems that the only way it can end
41:42
Speaker 10: is with the complete destruction of Hamas, which hopefully this
41:49
Speaker 10: this latest decision by the Israeli cabinet will ensure happens.
41:56
Speaker 1: Robert Gregory, thanks for joining us from Jerusalem. I appreciate
41:59
Speaker 1: it very much. Thank you so coming up after the break,
42:04
Speaker 1: there's some fresh outs so with Anthony Albanezi, will ever
42:07
Speaker 1: meet Tonald Trump? As tensions rock the quad between the US,
42:11
Speaker 1: India and US. Plus, swearing in public could soon be
42:14
Speaker 1: legal in New South Wales. But is this really the
42:17
Speaker 1: reform that we're crying out for? Welcome back around Dean
42:24
Speaker 1: coming up after US. Now, let's bring in our Friday
42:26
Speaker 1: Night panel. Research fellow at the Institute of Public Affairs
42:29
Speaker 1: Mia Schlid and Sky News regular Joe hilde Brown. Great
42:33
Speaker 1: to see you both. A Green Joe, I want to
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Speaker 1: start with the decision on this cancelation of a visa
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Speaker 1: for this Hummas supporter's visa late today it happened. I
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Speaker 1: did make the point at the start of the show.
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Speaker 1: Someone had to approve the a visa in the first place,
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Speaker 1: so it's all good, well and good to cancel at once.
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Speaker 1: The Herald Sun broke the story and delved into what
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Speaker 1: her social media was showing. But how did you get
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Speaker 1: the va? We need the answer to the question how
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Speaker 1: did she get a visa in the first place?
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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, obviously the decision to cancel the visa
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Speaker 11: was the right one. Presumably this is the first time
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Speaker 11: that Tony Burke, the Minister himself, was personally aware of it,
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Speaker 11: and he stepped into act as he should have and
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Speaker 11: has done. I think, I mean, their concerns have been raised,
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Speaker 11: haven't they at the very outset of taking in this
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Speaker 11: big tranch of Palestinians at the outbreak of the war.
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Speaker 11: That you know, perhaps the security checks were not going
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Speaker 11: to be as fulsome as they might have otherwise been
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Speaker 11: because of the time pressures, and that's why there were
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Speaker 11: extra extra protocols put in place, including you know, people
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Speaker 11: have come over here and then been here and then
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Speaker 11: since been deported because extra information has come to light.
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Speaker 11: So I think it's good. That good that it was canceled.
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Speaker 11: Good that she never got here, and in a perfect
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Speaker 11: world she would never have been given the visa in
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Speaker 11: the first place.
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Speaker 1: But that's life MEA mean, it can't be that hard,
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Speaker 1: can it. When someone applies for a visa and there's
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Speaker 1: a bit of confusion about whether she was coming here
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Speaker 1: with her husband and four children on a speaking tour,
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Speaker 1: which seems odd if she was bringing the whole family
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Speaker 1: on a paid speaking gig, or whether they were actually
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Speaker 1: moving here. But regardless, I mean, anybody now can check
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Speaker 1: the social media history of someone, and if you're granting
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Speaker 1: a visa to a woman out of Palestine, the Herald's
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Speaker 1: unfound it out pretty easily. Why wouldn't the Minister's office
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Speaker 1: be able to work it out.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exactly right, Steve. I think this one was
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Speaker 4: really confusing for me. I mean, if you have a
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Speaker 4: look at recently just how many visas have been canceled
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Speaker 4: on the basis of things that public figures have said
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Speaker 4: and the social media posts, it doesn't look like they
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Speaker 4: were very hard to find. So if the government wasn't
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Speaker 4: capable of that, that's pretty terrifying for me. I think
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Speaker 4: these security checks should be much more vigilant than that.
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Speaker 4: But yeah, if you look at the precedent that's been
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Speaker 4: set of other people who've had their visas canceled quite rightly.
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Speaker 4: So I think as of late, I'm confused how this
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Speaker 4: one slipped through the ranks. And it makes you think,
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Speaker 4: we know Tony Burke, he's reliant on the Western Sydney vote,
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Speaker 4: and you have to question was this for personal gain
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Speaker 4: or was it for the good of the country.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Joe, there is some other questions we need to
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Speaker 1: sort out. I want to ask you about the Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump meeting. Now, this is getting very confusing. Obviously, Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump's got a lot more on his mind than sitting
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Speaker 1: down with Anthony Albanesi. He's about to go and meet
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Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin. He's hoping that Vladimir Sholynski will be there
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Speaker 1: as well. He's whacking tariffs on India because they're taking
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Speaker 1: Russian oil. I'm sure he's not given Anthony Albanzi one
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Speaker 1: second of thought in recent weeks. But how bad is
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Speaker 1: that now? Still looking for Anthony Albansi or do you
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Speaker 1: think the Australian public have gone, well, who cares now
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Speaker 1: if we meet Donald Trump or not?
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Speaker 11: Yeah, well, there's actually a huge amount of evidence to
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Speaker 11: support that very thing.
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Speaker 1: The Australian public.
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Speaker 11: There have been a couple of big poles. One was
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Speaker 11: the Lower Institute pole, and there was another one in
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Speaker 11: the Nine newspapers a week or two ago that found
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Speaker 11: that Australia they really wanted the US alliance. They thought
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Speaker 11: the Australia US alliance was really important. But they also
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Speaker 11: one hundred percent squarely blamed Donald Trump for his failure
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Speaker 11: to engage respectfully with Australia. And they saw the failure
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Speaker 11: to meet as all Donald Trump's fault. They placed Donald
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Speaker 11: Trump in the low institute POLP as a less reliable
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Speaker 11: actor than the president of Indonesia, which tells you a
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Speaker 11: fair bit. And again we're seeing and it's not a
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Speaker 11: direct it's not a direct kind of slight to Australia,
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Speaker 11: but the fact that Donald Trump's ridiculous tariff war where
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Speaker 11: he's just plucking numbers out of the air and slapping
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Speaker 11: them on big countries like India, a country which we
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Speaker 11: need to look to to be a counterbalance against China.
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Speaker 11: I mean, that is the reason why the Quad was formed,
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Speaker 11: and he's just whacked a fifty percent tariff on them
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Speaker 11: for no real reason. And Nehendra Modi has said, fine,
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Speaker 11: screw you, I'm canceling the meeting. Then I'm not going
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Speaker 11: to I'm not going to host you if you're going
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Speaker 11: to behave like this to a supposedt ally, and that,
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Speaker 11: of course then has a knock on effect to Australia
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Speaker 11: because there's no meeting.
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Speaker 1: There's no meeting Mia. I mean, I think the bigger
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Speaker 1: problem for the Prime Minister is I mean, I think
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Speaker 1: he desperately wants to recognize Palestine like his mates in
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Speaker 1: France and Canada are doing. But he's worried about doing
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Speaker 1: that in a lead up to a potential meeting with
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump because he knows that that would upset the
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Speaker 1: US president. So he's sort of cut. He's caught in between,
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Speaker 1: isn't he.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, and I have to agree with Joe.
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Speaker 4: There's no doubt that we're low on the priority list
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Speaker 4: when it comes to who President Trump would like to
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Speaker 4: meet with. I mean, we've spent six days with communist China.
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Speaker 4: We've shown no effort to show our strength economically or
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Speaker 4: defense wise. I mean, one thing we know about Trump
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Speaker 4: is he doesn't tea. You have to give something to
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Speaker 4: get something with him. And here we've got an ambassador
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Speaker 4: Kevin Rudd to the United States who's made it's many
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Speaker 4: incredible comments about President Trump. So of course we're not
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Speaker 4: high on the priority list. But that's something to be
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Speaker 4: worried about, and I think all Australians should be Concernednational
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Speaker 4: security should be the most important issue that our federal
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Speaker 4: government prioritizes. And I just don't think Anthony Albanezi is
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Speaker 4: up to the job. He does not seem to be
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Speaker 4: taking this seriously at all.
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Speaker 1: Joe's going to be a big weekend for you. Apparently
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Speaker 1: New South Wales is going to legalize public swearing, so
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Speaker 1: you're in the clear, Moust.
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Speaker 11: Suddenly the Daily Telegraph newsroom isn't going to be a
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Speaker 11: hotbed of crime.
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Speaker 1: Pricey, I'm very relieved.
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Speaker 11: Finally I'll be able to emerge from the shadows.
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Speaker 1: I know public swearing is actually illegal in Victoria, so
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Speaker 1: I don't know why New South Wales is so far behind.
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Speaker 1: Thank you both for joining us. Always great to have you.
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Speaker 1: I'll be back on Monday Night. Peter Critlins away again
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Speaker 1: next week and coming up straight after us. The world,
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