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Sharri | 25 November · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why.
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Speaker 2: On Sky News This is Sharry.
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Speaker 1: Good Evening.
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Speaker 3: Suspended, Pauline Hansen fires back at the Coalition and Labor
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Speaker 3: MPs who've attacked her over the burker stunt. She joins
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Speaker 3: me live on the show, and I'll ask Pauline about
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Speaker 3: the culinary choice of cooking a wagu on a sandwich press.
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Speaker 3: Parliament in lockdown mode during a Chinese Communist Party visit,
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Speaker 3: with MP's told to shut blinds and turn off devices.
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Speaker 1: Well, if we can't trust our visitors, why are they here?
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Speaker 3: And a new X feature is exposing fake Gaza accounts
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Speaker 3: cashing in on the war from Afar. They claim to
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Speaker 3: be mothers or families suffering in Gaza, but are actually
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Speaker 3: located thousands of kilometers away. Those details coming up, but
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Speaker 3: first tonight, Pauline Hansen has demanded answers from the President
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Speaker 3: of the Senate over her week long suspect for wearing
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Speaker 3: a burker. Hanson also claims there's a major case of hypocrisy.
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Speaker 3: She was suspended from the Senate for wearing a burker
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Speaker 3: when the Keffie wearing salmon Totin Greens have repeatedly gone unpunished. Hanson,
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Speaker 3: who'll be on the show, shortly has written to the
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Speaker 3: President of the Senate to ask why she's been suspended
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Speaker 3: when the directions were that she would only be suspended
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Speaker 3: from the sitting of the Senate until she complies with
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Speaker 3: this president's direction, and the direction being to remove the burker,
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Speaker 3: which she did comply with. Yet Hanson has been banned
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Speaker 3: for seven days even after she removed the burker, and
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Speaker 3: she once answers. Her letter to the President of the
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Speaker 3: Senate states this is not a merely academic concern. The
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Speaker 3: scope and duration of a suspension directly affect a senator's
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Speaker 3: rights to participate in debate, to vote, and to represent
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Speaker 3: their constituents now extraordinarily. Only hours before Pauline Hansen was suspended,
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Speaker 3: Marine Ferruki wore a keffeere into the Senate, another banned
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Speaker 3: item because it's a prop Here is that moment you
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Speaker 3: can see Marine in highlight walking in wearing a keffeere.
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Speaker 3: Ferruki faced no penalty, no suspension, no censure motion for
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Speaker 3: wearing the keffeere just hours before Hansen wore the burker.
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Speaker 3: And this wasn't a one off. Marine Ferruki is a
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Speaker 3: repeat offender. You might recall the greens en mass yelled
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Speaker 3: free Palestine and stormed out of the Senate in November
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. Yes, just a month after the October
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Speaker 3: seven attacks Palestine.
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Speaker 4: Thank you, Senator Feriki, Minister Farrell, that was a statement.
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Speaker 4: So order order, Senator Hanson, Order order, Senator Sheldon, did
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Speaker 4: you want to respond, minister?
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Speaker 5: Sorry?
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Speaker 3: Order, And here's Lydia Thorpe, also wearing the kfie, considered
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Speaker 3: a political and religious garment that has nothing to do
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Speaker 3: with her faith.
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Speaker 6: Shame on you, labor, shame you are complicit in genocide.
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Speaker 3: And she certainly wasn't given a seven day suspension for that.
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Speaker 3: Although Thorpe has been suspended before. She's also repeatedly defied
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Speaker 3: Senate rulings, often without any penalty. And the Greens regularly
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Speaker 3: wear political messages, their watermelon earrings which are a prop,
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Speaker 3: messages on T shirts, and famously even bringing a dead
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Speaker 3: fish into the Senate, as Sarah Hanson Young did here.
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Speaker 1: On the eve of the election.
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Speaker 7: Have you sold out your environment credentials? Borrowing often stinking
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Speaker 7: in an attention salmon headsction, salmon.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 3: Sarah Hanson Young was not kicked out, she was not
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Speaker 3: censured for that prop Again, no suspension. Pauline Hansen's stunt
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Speaker 3: has now been criticized even by coalition figures as being
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Speaker 3: in poor taste and offensive to Muslim Australians.
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Speaker 8: Sheeapening the status and the symbolism of the Senate in
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Speaker 8: such a way is unsupported by the majority of Australians.
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Speaker 8: To bring back a stunt from I think twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 8: I think the less said about it the better.
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Speaker 9: This sir, this start was disrespectful to Muslim Australians, as
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Speaker 9: I said at Chapin's own nation's parliament.
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Speaker 10: And it doesn't win doesn't win you anything.
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Speaker 3: But I do think there are legitimate concerns over oppressed
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Speaker 3: women farce to wear the burker. It's why in Iran
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Speaker 3: there's an entire women's movement dedicated to removing the HITGJE app.
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Speaker 11: These are the videos Iran doesn't want you to see.
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Speaker 11: Police firing in the streets, women cutting their hair, burning
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Speaker 11: her jobs, enrage, students, demonstrations. People have taken to the
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Speaker 11: streets across Iran, angry at the government after a woman
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Speaker 11: died while in police custody. It's all started with the
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Speaker 11: death of twenty two year old Massa Amini arrested by
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Speaker 11: the morality police in Tehran for wearing her hirjob loosely.
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Speaker 11: Multiple sources has said she was beaten in a police
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Speaker 11: truck while in custody.
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Speaker 3: This is a deeply serious issue. Iranian morality police enforce
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Speaker 3: the covering, leaving girls and women with limited human rights,
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Speaker 3: freedoms or liberties. Many Iranian women would love to be
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Speaker 3: able to ban the burker and the hijab instead, as
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Speaker 3: you just saw, they faced severe punishment, even death for
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Speaker 3: refusing to wear it, and there's a similar situation now
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Speaker 3: unfolding in parts of Afghanistan, where the Taliban have banned
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Speaker 3: women from hospitals and other public places in some areas
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Speaker 3: if they're not wearing the burker. These are legitimate human
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Speaker 3: rights concerns, and more than sixteen countries around the world
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Speaker 3: have banned or restricted the burker or full face coverings,
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Speaker 3: including France, Switzerland, Denmark, Austria, Bulgaria, and Portugal, among many others.
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Speaker 3: So yes, Pauline Hansen could have dealt with these concerns
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Speaker 3: in a more sensitive manner. Absolutely, As we've seen throughout
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Speaker 3: her entire political career, her trademark style is blunt speech
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Speaker 3: and headline catching moves and one nation is frankly.
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Speaker 1: Soaring in the polls. As a result, it's primary.
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Speaker 3: Vote at record high. Her stunt yesterday made every television
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Speaker 3: news channel last night almost impossible for any politician to
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Speaker 3: achieve that, and she's dominated the headlines again today, especially
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Speaker 3: after she dined with Binnaby Joyce, cooking him a Waggy's
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Speaker 3: steak on her sandwich.
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Speaker 1: Press. I'll ask Pauline about that in a moment.
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Speaker 3: But her stunt has been widely condemned for causing offense
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Speaker 3: to Muslim Australians, and while this is true, it's also
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Speaker 3: true that she was disproportionately punished compared with similar stunts
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Speaker 3: from left wing senators. First, Hansen was suspended from the
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Speaker 3: Senate yesterday for the full day sitting, and then today
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Speaker 3: she was allowed back into the Senate only to face
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Speaker 3: another censure motion which carried with it seven days of suspension.
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Speaker 3: And Pennywang of course led to the charge and was
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Speaker 3: backed in by all Coalition and Labor and Green senators.
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Speaker 12: So the institution itself was damaged by your behavior yesterday,
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Speaker 12: because not only did you do what you did, Senator,
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Speaker 12: but the Chamber, the President asked.
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Speaker 2: You to remove.
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Speaker 12: That item of clothing and you refused. I have never
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Speaker 12: seen someone be so disrespectful to this institution.
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Speaker 1: Never.
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Speaker 3: We see it all the time from the Green senators
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Speaker 3: from Lydia Thorpe. Where are Pennywong's speeches? Where is the
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Speaker 3: seven daysis bension?
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Speaker 1: For them?
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Speaker 3: Very quick to condemn Pauline Hanson. She's an easy target.
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Speaker 3: But when it comes to real accountability, like for example,
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Speaker 3: an inquiry into the Mean Girls or the Albanezy government
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Speaker 3: is as usual missing in action. And for more on
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Speaker 3: this now, I'm joined live in Canberra by One Nation
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Speaker 3: leader Pauline Hanson. Pauline, thank you very much for your time.
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Speaker 3: It's been very busy twenty four hours for you. What
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Speaker 3: is your response to accusations from both Labor and coalition
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Speaker 3: colleagues that you've vilified and mocked Muslim Australians.
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Speaker 1: Not at all, Shari.
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Speaker 5: My bill, my private members bill that I tried to
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Speaker 5: introduce on the floor of Parliament, was about the Criminal
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Speaker 5: Code Amendment to ban the burker and full place coverings
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Speaker 5: and love us to do with national security. It's just
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Speaker 5: about treating everyone fair and equally, and you know it's
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Speaker 5: also about the oppression of women that I feel that
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Speaker 5: people in Australia, women in Australia, the way they've been treated,
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Speaker 5: have to cover up against the will. And I believe
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Speaker 5: that some of them are against the will because the
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Speaker 5: male counterparts tell them they must cover up. And you've
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Speaker 5: shown footage of this is what's happening around the rest
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Speaker 5: of the world. Also, I believe that you know twenty
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Speaker 5: four countries around the world, including Islamic countries, have actually
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Speaker 5: banned the burker because they want women's rights, to give
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Speaker 5: them back their rights and also for assimilation. And we
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Speaker 5: find that people you know who are can't communicate, you
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Speaker 5: can't see who they are under that burker. I think
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Speaker 5: that's the issue with it. A lot of people have
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Speaker 5: actually contacted me on my Facebook page and said, well,
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Speaker 5: I have to remove my helmet if I go into
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Speaker 5: a bank. Why are they treat it totally different to
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Speaker 5: anyone else show it. At the end of the day,
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Speaker 5: this is Australia. It is not the Australian cultural way
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Speaker 5: of life. I just want equality for all Australians and
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Speaker 5: I don't want to see the suppression or oppression of
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Speaker 5: women in this country. And when you hear the people
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Speaker 5: on the floora Parliament, these so called representatives of the
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Speaker 5: Australian people who actually did not even allow me to
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Speaker 5: introduce my bill in the first place, and just cut
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Speaker 5: it all straight away without debating the issue. So they
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Speaker 5: shut down the democracy and freedom speech in our parliament,
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Speaker 5: the heart of our democracy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
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Speaker 3: Extraordinary that a full face covering that's banned in between
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Speaker 3: sixteen and twenty four countries, depending on how you define it,
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Speaker 3: you couldn't even have a debate, you can even have
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Speaker 3: free speech about it in the Senate. I'll also just
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Speaker 3: note that you did say there that some of the
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Speaker 3: women who wear the burker are oppressed, but not all.
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Speaker 3: You said that yourself, because of course some women will
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Speaker 3: say they choose to wear it.
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Speaker 1: But Pauline, just again, what do you say to the.
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Speaker 3: Criticism that you wearing a religious garment like the burker
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Speaker 3: could offend Muslim Australians.
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Speaker 5: Let me make it quite clear and email clerics have
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Speaker 5: actually said the burker is not a religious requirement. They
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Speaker 5: wear it because they choose to or they are forced
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Speaker 5: to wear it. Let's come back to what our culture
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Speaker 5: is and what our beliefs are. If they're going to
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Speaker 5: be bringing in digital ID or you know, facial recognition.
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Speaker 5: How are we going to treat one Australian compared to another.
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Speaker 5: Many Astroans out there are really angry about this because
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Speaker 5: they say, we have to show who we are. What
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Speaker 5: about when you drive in a car or please pull
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Speaker 5: them up. We've seen instances here that you know, they
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Speaker 5: can't identify who the drive is, or they call racism
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Speaker 5: because they're not removing their burker. There was a case
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Speaker 5: in the courts in December of twenty sixteen and the
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Speaker 5: judge asked the female to remove the burker and giving evidence,
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Speaker 5: which she refuse to. The judge said well, okay, well
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Speaker 5: then we'll shut down the courts or you can do
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Speaker 5: it in the next room. Still refuse to do it,
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Speaker 5: so the judge could not take her evidence. So you
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Speaker 5: know it's going to affect the court system as well
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Speaker 5: if you want to get people to give evidence. So
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Speaker 5: it's I see a real problem, Shari. What I'm doing
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Speaker 5: is that let's hit it on the head. Now, let's
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Speaker 5: deal with the problem before it gets out of control
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Speaker 5: and we can't do anything about it. And we've seen
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Speaker 5: this happening in other countries around the world.
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Speaker 3: In hindsight, though, do you think you could have raised
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Speaker 3: your legitimate concerns in a way you know about the
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Speaker 3: burker and how it does oppress some women in a
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Speaker 3: way that didn't come across as a headline grabbing stunt.
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Speaker 5: No, Sherry, I couldn't because they were never going to
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Speaker 5: give me the opportunity to raise it on the Flora Parliament.
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Speaker 5: If we're going to deal with this, it has to
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Speaker 5: be done in legislation on the Flora Parliament.
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Speaker 1: They had no.
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Speaker 5: Compuncture of to actually allow me to do that. As
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Speaker 5: soon as I've got the first word out to introduce
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Speaker 5: my built of parliament, they just called out and that's it.
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Speaker 1: One voice. It was actually two.
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Speaker 5: Tammy two or from Tasmania. She was one who called
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Speaker 5: out no, and also was one of the Greens. So
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Speaker 5: I wasn't going to be allowed what am I supposed
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Speaker 5: to do? And I thought to myself, okay, you aren't
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Speaker 5: allowed the banning of the burker. Well, then fined, you
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Speaker 5: don't mind my wearing it on the floor aparliament. They
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Speaker 5: couldn't have it each way, so they didn't want to
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Speaker 5: ban the burker, but then they didn't want me wearing
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Speaker 5: it either, So you know, the hypocrisy of the whole lot.
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Speaker 5: That's what it's about. Share hypocrisy everything I do. This
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Speaker 5: is not the first time, do not. It's really unprecedented
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Speaker 5: of stopping a member of Parliament introducing their private senator's bill.
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Speaker 5: And this is not the first time, this second time.
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Speaker 5: Even yesterday they allowed everyone to have their say, and
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Speaker 5: then when I stood up to have my say, I
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Speaker 5: was completely ignored by the President. Even my other members
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Speaker 5: of Parliament wanted to say something, would not give them
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Speaker 5: the call. Then it actually called for a division. They
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Speaker 5: called out no to it. She completely ignored that and
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Speaker 5: gave it to the yes vote.
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Speaker 3: And you know I written for the President said the
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Speaker 3: Senate to complain about how you were treated. What are
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Speaker 3: your complaints to the President of the Senate in the
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Speaker 3: letter that your chief whippersent.
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Speaker 5: Well, the procedure wasn't adhere to, so I was treated
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Speaker 5: totally different to what happened now. During that time, when
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Speaker 5: I walked in the burker with the Berkron.
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Speaker 1: The bells were ringing.
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Speaker 5: A division was in was actually happening. So when after
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Speaker 5: I walked in, the doors were locked. They said, doors locked. Well,
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Speaker 5: isn't it funny? During that period of time before the
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Speaker 5: division was counted, the Penny Wong and Katie Gallagher walked
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Speaker 5: into Parliament, so they unlocked the doors. The whole procedure
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Speaker 5: was just an absolute joke. And you know, one set
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Speaker 5: of rules for them, another set of rules for me. Yes,
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Speaker 5: we have our differences of opinion, but Shari, I've never
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Speaker 5: attacked a person's faith.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 5: Do I agree with the Islamic culture and ideology most
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Speaker 5: of the time, No, I don't. But a person's faith
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Speaker 5: is that's their belief. And as I have fought for
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Speaker 5: the Jewish people for their safety and issues or other
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Speaker 5: things that have happened in our country. So I'll stand
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Speaker 5: up and support anyone based on what's right. But to
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Speaker 5: say that I disregard the Parliament, I have the utmost
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Speaker 5: respect for the Parliament. I'm so privileged and honored to
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Speaker 5: be a member of Parliament that very few people have
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Speaker 5: that opportunity. But I don't disrespect the men and women
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Speaker 5: that fought and died for our country and that democracy
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Speaker 5: and what the Chamber represents. And they denied me that right,
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Speaker 5: the right of the strange people to have a voice.
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Speaker 5: And if I raise these issues, then it's on behalf.
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Speaker 5: But let me have that debate and then put it
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Speaker 5: to the vote and let the people see the outcome
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Speaker 5: of that vote.
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Speaker 1: Don't deny me.
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Speaker 3: The right or not just denied you the right. You've
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Speaker 3: now been banned for a full week. We just saw
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Speaker 3: their Penny Wong accuse you of degrade the Senate. Marine
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Speaker 3: Eruki has accused you of racism. But what do you
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Speaker 3: think about the fact that other senators have not faced
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Speaker 3: the same penalties when they've won or carried props like
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Speaker 3: a salmon and one kfas into the Senate.
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Speaker 5: Shari, You're totally right and what you have said there,
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Speaker 5: for the past nine years I've been treated totally different
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Speaker 5: to everyone else because my politics. That don't like my politics.
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Speaker 5: You know, the Australian people keep voting me back in
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Speaker 5: and that's what I said today. My comments were for
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Speaker 5: the Australian people to stand up and fight for them
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Speaker 5: on certain issues that's important to them. I'm not going
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Speaker 5: to be answerable to those members of Parliament there that
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Speaker 5: are so disrespectful themselves to understand my position as a
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Speaker 5: member of Parliament to get up and represent my constituency.
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Speaker 5: They've disregarded that and the people of Australia. So I
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Speaker 5: will keep doing my job. I will keep against them.
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Speaker 5: I'm not going to go away. They can, you know,
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Speaker 5: essent to me. I don't care, you know who. I
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Speaker 5: care about the people out there. And if they don't
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Speaker 5: want me, fine, don't vote for me in the next election.
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Speaker 5: But if they do, I'll continue fighting for them. I
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Speaker 5: will continue standing out for these important issues. And it's
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Speaker 5: not the only issue Sherry, as people have said, No
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Speaker 5: it's not. It's about doing with you know, the climate change,
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Speaker 5: with immigration, with the cost of living, all these things.
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Speaker 5: I've got policies for that. I'm very passionate about that,
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Speaker 5: and family law. These are important issues to me, the
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Speaker 5: farming sector, of the mining sector, everything like this. So
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Speaker 5: don't think that I've just walked away from that.
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Speaker 1: I'm not.
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Speaker 5: I'm across so much that I want to do for
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Speaker 5: these grand people. I just ask them for their voter
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Speaker 5: confidence and give me that opportunity.
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Speaker 3: Just before you go, I want to ask you about
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Speaker 3: Barnaby Joyce after this whole birth curfy asking me the
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Speaker 3: Senate you and then cooking him a waggy steak on
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Speaker 3: a sandwich press.
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Speaker 1: Now this has gone viral.
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Speaker 3: Today and even reading this colin by Lizzie Merriman in
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Speaker 3: The Australian and she's worried you could have given him
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Speaker 3: food poisoning.
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Speaker 1: I've consulted other.
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Speaker 3: Chefs who say it is actually fine to cook a
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Speaker 3: wag you on.
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Speaker 1: A sandwich press.
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Speaker 3: I mean, Pauline, you used to have a fish and
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Speaker 3: chip shop, so were you Are you worried you could.
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Speaker 5: Have food poison What a load of rubbish? Of course
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Speaker 5: it is. What a load of rubbish that is. Honestly,
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Speaker 5: these people go on about absolutely nothing. When I've got
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Speaker 5: a kitchen that's one and a half meters by one meter,
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Speaker 5: you actually have to improvise. And the fact is they
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Speaker 5: said it was a five star meal, so I had
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Speaker 5: everything there for them. The steak was beautifully cooked, and
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Speaker 5: I want to say it's great, two gr so if
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Speaker 5: we want to go and buy I police pull it. Farnaby,
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Speaker 5: love the meal. No one's been sick today, everything's good.
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Speaker 1: My god.
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Speaker 5: I've run a business for ten years dealing with food,
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Speaker 5: so I don't listen to these clear up the dishes fully, no,
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Speaker 5: I chase them out. I thought, no, I'll get this done.
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Speaker 1: But no, it's good.
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Speaker 5: Actually, my daughter's there and gave me a hand.
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Speaker 1: With the dishes. So it did other ones.
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Speaker 2: I've had Josh.
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Speaker 5: I've had Josh Freinberg in my office for dinner. He
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Speaker 5: was amazed how I cooked and he said, how did
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Speaker 5: you cook? And he said, I'm going to tell my wife. Yes,
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Speaker 5: I've had for the people.
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Speaker 1: Seriously they did. We've really got to go.
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Speaker 3: But did Barnaby tell you last night whether he would
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Speaker 3: be joining one.
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Speaker 1: Nation this week?
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Speaker 5: You know what, showing you're not going to exclusive on
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Speaker 5: this one, and you're going to have to wait. It
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Speaker 5: has to come from Barnaby what he's doing beautifully last night.
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Speaker 5: So anyway, we're going to see what happens in the
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Speaker 5: next hopefully we'll see what happens by the end of
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Speaker 5: the week.
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Speaker 1: So you're expecting him to.
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Speaker 5: Say fingers from let's keep our fingers criss and keep
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Speaker 5: my fingers crossed. I hope to steak and the dinner
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Speaker 5: and the mulberry pie. Did it?
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Speaker 1: He said?
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Speaker 3: He said, a star Mills, So maybe you did wine
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Speaker 3: and dine him well, And it looked very friendly.
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Speaker 1: His hand was on your very chommy.
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Speaker 5: All right, yeah, okay, thanks a good mate, all right,
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Speaker 5: I love him to.
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Speaker 3: Be in your party. It sounds like, Pauline Hanson, thank
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Speaker 3: you so much for it does sound like from that
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Speaker 3: that Barnaby is expected to defect to one Nation from
21:22
Speaker 3: the Nationals this week, all right to.
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Speaker 1: Discuss that and more.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now, Sky News host Steve Price and Daily
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Speaker 3: Telegraph journalist James Willis.
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Speaker 1: Great to see you, buy to see you, I.
21:31
Speaker 3: Mean, Steve, Just your reaction to that, quickly, Pauline stunt
21:35
Speaker 3: Barnaby's defection. The steak cooked on the sandwich press?
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Speaker 1: Your reaction.
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Speaker 10: I was very impressed at one hundred dollars wag you.
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Speaker 13: I didn't know you could buy one hundred dollars wag
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Speaker 13: u steaks at the supermarketing camera.
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Speaker 10: Would I cook it in a sandwich press? No, wagg you.
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Speaker 13: Was best cooked on a very hot stainless steel hot
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Speaker 13: plate so you can wipe away the fat. I don't
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Speaker 13: know where the fat went from, ssumably all over the
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Speaker 13: floor in their office.
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Speaker 10: She wouldn't want to try cooking me a steak and
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Speaker 10: a sandwich press. I would not eat it.
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Speaker 1: You wouldn't eat it? Or what do you think, Jane?
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Speaker 11: Oh?
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Speaker 14: I think it's I mean, look, I'm not a food
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Speaker 14: health and safety expert. But I think the food poisoning
22:15
Speaker 14: alarms are a little bit over the top.
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Speaker 2: There's heat on both sides.
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Speaker 1: We peop want to eat raw meat, right, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well it's red meat, right, we can't eat of course?
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Speaker 2: Of course, yeah, of course, and plenty.
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Speaker 14: But I mean you've got heat on both sides, pushing down.
22:29
Speaker 14: As she said she ran a fish and chip shop
22:31
Speaker 14: in years gone by. I think it's fine. I think
22:33
Speaker 14: it would have been delicious, good cut of meat. I
22:34
Speaker 14: think that's play on with the pie to wash.
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Speaker 2: It down as well.
22:37
Speaker 1: What do you think about the overreaction.
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Speaker 14: I think, well, the first thing is to ask Australia
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Speaker 14: and ask ourselves why all these other countries have banned
22:45
Speaker 14: the burger and why haven't we?
22:47
Speaker 2: And there would be.
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Speaker 14: Reasons, and if we looked at those reasons, we should
22:50
Speaker 14: be asking ourselves very basic questions as to why we
22:53
Speaker 14: haven't brought that policy here. I just think that we
22:58
Speaker 14: are beginning to see the launch of a very ferocious
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Speaker 14: political force that we've seen in other parts of the world.
23:05
Speaker 14: But while the Liberal Party can't get its act together.
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Speaker 14: Sharry Pauline, you watch that interview, you are under absolutely
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Speaker 14: no doubt about what she stands for, what she's all about,
23:14
Speaker 14: and what she is trying to achieve.
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Speaker 2: And I think that is cutting.
23:17
Speaker 14: Through clearly based on the polls with a lot of voters,
23:20
Speaker 14: and this will ramp up.
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Speaker 2: They'll run in more seats, they'll.
23:23
Speaker 14: Target Upper House, they'll target state elections. We're beginning to
23:27
Speaker 14: see the rise of One Nation in a big way.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, perhaps similar to reform in the UK. Very quick
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Speaker 3: reaction to that, Steve. I mean something that has been
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Speaker 3: banned in many parts of the world.
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Speaker 1: We can't even have a conversation about here.
23:41
Speaker 3: You know, people are too scared of speaking about these
23:44
Speaker 3: sort of issues. I mean, you know, you look at
23:48
Speaker 3: what's happening in Iran and it's extraordinary.
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Speaker 13: Look good labor governments in the major states, in New
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Speaker 13: South Wales, Victoria and in Canberra. We're never going to
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Speaker 13: have a proper debate about whether that should happen shouldn't happen.
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Speaker 13: I've got to say I thought the most interesting development.
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Speaker 13: I mean, I think Pauline let the cat out of
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Speaker 13: the bag and told you just.
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Speaker 10: Then that Barnaby's going to join One Nation.
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Speaker 13: But I thought Matt Canavan's comments earlier this morning where
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Speaker 13: he really gave it to Barnaby about defecting from the
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Speaker 13: Nationals going to one Nation, saying that you know, it's
24:18
Speaker 13: all about Barnaby, it's an ego trip and he shouldn't
24:20
Speaker 13: do it and he will regret doing it. I thought
24:23
Speaker 13: what mac canavan's intervention was today, I think that shows
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Speaker 13: the coalition probably as James has just pointed out that
24:30
Speaker 13: the last thing the Coalition needs to do is to
24:32
Speaker 13: give one nation any more free kicks.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right.
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Speaker 3: Let's turn to the mean girls now, because the pressure
24:37
Speaker 3: is building for an inquiry into the pursuit of Linda
24:41
Speaker 3: Reynolds and her then chief of staff Fiona Brown. The
24:43
Speaker 3: Greens are demanding that any compensation they receive should be
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Speaker 3: donated away.
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Speaker 1: This is from Larissa Waters.
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Speaker 3: And then we also have comments from Zalie Staggele, who
24:54
Speaker 3: piled in with a different perspective.
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Speaker 15: Have a look, and yes she was found to famed
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Speaker 15: miss Reynolds. But I don't think any of us, and
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Speaker 15: you in particular, as a young woman, could ever consider
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Speaker 15: that putting yourself in the shoes of a person who
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Speaker 15: has been sexually assaulted in her workplace. I think the
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Speaker 15: continued harassment and pursuing of this issue is disgusting.
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Speaker 3: So James, you know, the argument from the Greens leader
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Speaker 3: is effectively that two women who have been cleared by
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Speaker 3: multiple courts don't deserve compensation.
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Speaker 14: Well, and they're both had, you know, enormous impacts to
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Speaker 14: their own careers. Fiona Brown had ruined her career in
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Speaker 14: the public service. Linda Reynolds was hospitalized and it derailed
25:42
Speaker 14: the last part of her time in the ministry, and
25:46
Speaker 14: she was blamed by both Penny Wong and Katie Gallagher
25:49
Speaker 14: from being part of a political cover up.
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Speaker 2: So they're outrageous suggestions.
25:53
Speaker 14: I think they're disgusting frankly from both Zali and Larissa Waters.
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Speaker 14: But I would say that the tragedy all this, Sharry
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Speaker 14: if at the end of the day, the court has
26:02
Speaker 14: found that Britney Higgins was raped on the balance of probabilities.
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Speaker 14: But because her husband went to the media rather than
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Speaker 14: go to the police and told politicians about this, it
26:14
Speaker 14: became about a political cover up that didn't exist, and
26:17
Speaker 14: the person that hurt the most.
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Speaker 2: Sadly, was Britney Higgins.
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Speaker 14: So you know, in hindsight, the way that that played
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Speaker 14: out in the order was terrible and Brittney Higgins's husband
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Speaker 14: needs to have a good hard look at himself for
26:30
Speaker 14: telling the media, telling Channel ten, telling politicians before even
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Speaker 14: bothering to go in and make a police statement after
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Speaker 14: his girlfriend at the time had told him that she'd
26:40
Speaker 14: been sexually assaulted.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, very very good points, Steve.
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Speaker 3: I've also been struck by how the Canberra Press Gallery
26:46
Speaker 3: won't go there on this story. You know, when Albanize
26:49
Speaker 3: was in wa last week, he properly was interrogated by
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Speaker 3: the Perth journalists, but in the press gallery they just
26:56
Speaker 3: don't want to ask any.
26:57
Speaker 1: Questions about this.
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Speaker 3: This should be a big political issue.
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Speaker 13: Well, the Australians the only ones and Sky that have
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Speaker 13: really followed this properly. I mean Janet Albrexton's reporting has
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Speaker 13: been outstanding and Waters and Stegels should be ashamed of themselves.
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Speaker 13: I mean they should put themselves in the same position
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Speaker 13: that in their office if somebody was sexually assaulted and
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Speaker 13: that person then came to them and said that it
27:22
Speaker 13: had happened, and then you then advise her to go
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Speaker 13: to the police. And in Fiona Brown's case, I mean
27:28
Speaker 13: this drew her. I mean she's talked about how she
27:33
Speaker 13: attempted to take her own life. These two women did
27:36
Speaker 13: the right thing. So what would Stegel and Waters think
27:39
Speaker 13: if today they were in the same position, after having
27:42
Speaker 13: done the right thing, to then be branded as somehow
27:45
Speaker 13: doing the wrong thing by the victim. I mean, I
27:47
Speaker 13: think it's disgusting, as James just said, and I think
27:50
Speaker 13: the wider media in Canberra, in the bubble just don't
27:55
Speaker 13: want to know about it. They don't want to report
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Speaker 13: the other side of this because they were so invested
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Speaker 13: to the side that we've all heard.
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Speaker 3: Oh exactly, and they were all over it then. I mean,
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Speaker 3: it was the biggest story in the whole nation. The
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Speaker 3: march is on the streets, and now no one wants
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Speaker 3: to know and.
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Speaker 14: For the other and easy politicize it in opposition, and
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Speaker 14: the government still won't even give us the.
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Speaker 2: Legal advice as to why.
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Speaker 14: This payment to miss Higgins was resolved in a single
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Speaker 14: day without going through the proper process.
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Speaker 1: Exactly.
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Speaker 3: James, I want to ask you about this controversy over
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Speaker 3: the Bureau of Meteorology website. This has been going on
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Speaker 3: for a few days now, but today the Minister Murray
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Speaker 3: Watt put the Bureau notice and this of course is
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Speaker 3: after the website was meant to cost just four million
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Speaker 3: dollars to upgrade, which is expensive enough, but it ended
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Speaker 3: up costing nearly one hundred million dollars.
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Speaker 1: Have a look.
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Speaker 16: I'm not happy with how this has been managed. Their
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Speaker 16: website change was always going to cost more than the
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Speaker 16: four million dollars, and this actually began under the Turmbull government.
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Speaker 16: It's a long term project, but I accept that this
28:55
Speaker 16: whole process hasn't met public expectations.
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Speaker 3: Understatement of the century James.
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Speaker 2: Well, the old website was fine.
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Speaker 14: That was the thing, and it was getting incredible traffic
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Speaker 14: and people loved it.
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Speaker 2: And the moment they changed it, there were problems.
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Speaker 14: And I mean, to go from four million to ninety
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Speaker 14: six million dollars, I mean, what planet are these people
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Speaker 14: living on?
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Speaker 2: In the normal world?
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Speaker 14: Sharry in a media company, in a small business, a
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Speaker 14: medium sized business. If you were given two million dollars
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Speaker 14: for your office budget you didn't have before, you'd be like, wow,
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Speaker 14: we can hire more staff, we can do stuff with
29:28
Speaker 14: the website, we can maybe get a few upgrades of
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Speaker 14: the office. Ninety six million dollars, these people are on
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Speaker 14: another planet. It's insulting and again they didn't need to
29:38
Speaker 14: spend this money because the old website.
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Speaker 1: Was fine and there've been some new problems.
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Speaker 3: Of course, of course new website despite this close to
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Speaker 3: one hundred million dollar upgrade.
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Speaker 1: Steve, I want to ask you about just a different topic.
29:49
Speaker 3: In Victoria, we're seeing tax payers paying more than a
29:54
Speaker 3: million dollars every week to pay for ministerial staffers, a
29:57
Speaker 3: million dollars a week for ministerial staff and the Allen
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Speaker 3: government is refusing to release a two million dollar report
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Speaker 3: it commissioned into the public service. I mean, how do
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Speaker 3: they get away with this sort of expenditure?
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Speaker 13: Department of Premier and Cabinet sixty one point three million
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Speaker 13: dollars in the last twelve months. The figures are just
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Speaker 13: out unbelievable there, they're astounding. Let me tell you the
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Speaker 13: private office of the Premier to Center Allen last year
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Speaker 13: across the Victorian taxplayer, her private office alone eighteen point
30:30
Speaker 13: seven million dollars. How many people do you think James
30:33
Speaker 13: and Shari are working in Center Allen's office? Just her office,
30:37
Speaker 13: eighty three staff and the opposition what are they? What
30:41
Speaker 13: is their office costing two point nine billion? I mean,
30:44
Speaker 13: this is just ridiculous and it just shows how the
30:47
Speaker 13: public services ballooned out of control in Victoria. But it
30:51
Speaker 13: goes back to Daniel Andrews and he set up this
30:54
Speaker 13: extraordinarily powerful, well connected, social media savvy private office that
30:59
Speaker 13: keeps getting labor re elected. So no one's going to
31:02
Speaker 13: be starting to sack people in that office. It'll stay
31:04
Speaker 13: there for the next twelve months and it'll probably get bigger.
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Speaker 3: I think that might have been a two point nine
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Speaker 3: or two point one million, not billion there, Steve.
31:12
Speaker 2: But that's more staff than the PM.
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Speaker 14: I'm certain that is more staff than the Prime Minister
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Speaker 14: has in the Victorian Premier's office.
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Speaker 1: Crazy crazy, what.
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Speaker 2: Do they all do? What do they all do?
31:22
Speaker 1: Yeah?
31:23
Speaker 3: All right, Steve Price, James whilli th thanks you so much.
31:27
Speaker 3: Coming up next to the Coalition hammers Chris Bowen in
31:29
Speaker 3: question Time calling him a part time minister.
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Speaker 1: I'll discuss that with Julian Lisa next. Welcome back.
31:40
Speaker 3: Chris Bowen's back from Brazil and straight into the firing
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Speaker 3: line with the Coalition mocking him in question time as
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Speaker 3: a part time Energy minister and deviding answers on what
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Speaker 3: is new Cop thirty one presidency means for power bills
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Speaker 3: here at home.
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Speaker 16: How much taxpayer money will be spent in funding the
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Speaker 16: full time press eventual duties of the part time minister.
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Speaker 9: The role of COP president is not a full time position,
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Speaker 9: So to suggest that this is a full time job.
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Speaker 2: Somehow, it's a complete nut invention. It's a fantasy.
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Speaker 3: And joining me now is Liberal MP Julian Lisa, Julian, welcome.
32:18
Speaker 3: What's your main concern with Chris Bowen wearing both the
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Speaker 3: energy hat and the COP thirty one President of Negotiations?
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Speaker 6: Well, Shary, I'm concerned about Australian families.
32:32
Speaker 2: Under Chris Bowen as the full time.
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Speaker 6: Energy minister, the energy bills of Australian families have gone
32:38
Speaker 6: up forty percent.
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Speaker 2: If he's a part time minister with his.
32:42
Speaker 6: Eye not on the ball, imagine how much further those
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Speaker 6: energy prices will rise. Chris Bowen has one job that
32:48
Speaker 6: the Australian people employ him to do, and that is
32:50
Speaker 6: to get energy prices down. He shouldn't be swallowing around
32:53
Speaker 6: the world doing this second job and being a part
32:55
Speaker 6: time minister. He should have his full time focus on
32:58
Speaker 6: getting energy prices done.
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Speaker 3: Julian, I saw you weren't well last week and you
33:05
Speaker 3: went to see the doctor. And you've since exposed to
33:08
Speaker 3: its basically a blatant lie from the Albanese election re
33:12
Speaker 3: election campaign that you only need your Medicare card when
33:15
Speaker 3: you go to the doctor.
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Speaker 1: You've looked into the data. Can you tell us about it?
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Speaker 2: Well, that's right, Charry.
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Speaker 6: On seventy occasions during the last election, Anthony Alberizi said
33:26
Speaker 6: to Australians, you don't need your credit card, you only
33:29
Speaker 6: need your Medicare card. But when I went to the
33:32
Speaker 6: doctor the other the other day, I paid ninety six dollars.
33:35
Speaker 6: I was out of pocket, and I've had lots of
33:37
Speaker 6: people across my electorate contact me. I've had pensioners paying
33:41
Speaker 6: one hundred and nine dollars for a consult I've had
33:45
Speaker 6: a person seeking mental health consultations paying two hundred and
33:48
Speaker 6: seventy five dollars. I even had an older person paying
33:53
Speaker 6: nearly fifty dollars for a three minute telehealth consultation.
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Speaker 16: It's just a lie.
33:57
Speaker 6: And what this has all done is it's driven down
33:59
Speaker 6: the number of people who are seeing doctors. So when
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Speaker 6: we were in government, bulk billing rates in my electorate
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Speaker 6: of Barrera and ninety percent. Today they're about eighty two percent.
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Speaker 6: What we've seen over the last quarter is that there
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Speaker 6: are nearly a million fewer people going to doctors. And
34:13
Speaker 6: that's not because we're healthier. That's because people are avoiding
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Speaker 6: the doctor because they can't afford it.
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Speaker 3: On another topic, we've seen that the Trump administration has
34:23
Speaker 3: criticized Kevin Rudd over Labour's the ambassador in Washington, of course,
34:27
Speaker 3: over Labour's plan to force Netflix, Amazon and Disney Plus
34:31
Speaker 3: into local streaming quotas. So these proposed quotas would force
34:36
Speaker 3: the major streaming services to spend a set share of
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Speaker 3: their Australian revenue on local expenditure on producing Australian made content.
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Speaker 3: But Julian, we're hearing that the Trump administration is furious
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Speaker 3: about the quotas and they warn that they could blow
34:52
Speaker 3: up trade relations and even threaten further tariffs.
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Speaker 6: What do you think, Well, we support the Australian screen industry,
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Speaker 6: and we support the screen industry because it creates so
35:03
Speaker 6: many jobs in this country. And it's not just the
35:06
Speaker 6: jobs of movie stars. It's the jobs of makeup artists
35:09
Speaker 6: and sound engineers, of drivers and caterers and technicians. There
35:13
Speaker 6: are really thousands of jobs that depend on the movie industry. Now,
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Speaker 6: for four years, mister Burk has been promising to bring
35:22
Speaker 6: forward these quotas and now he expects us to pass
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Speaker 6: a bill in three days. We've said there should be
35:28
Speaker 6: an inquiry into this bill to look at these things.
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Speaker 6: We support the basic principle that there should be some
35:34
Speaker 6: form of quotas on streaming services, as there is on
35:38
Speaker 6: free TV, as there is on Foxtel, but these issues
35:41
Speaker 6: need to be dealt with properly, and the proper an
35:43
Speaker 6: ordinary way to deal with them is by having an inquiry.
35:46
Speaker 3: So you agree with them, but you just want to
35:48
Speaker 3: examine exactly what's proposed further.
35:52
Speaker 2: That's right.
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Speaker 6: There's been lots of people who've been saying to us
35:56
Speaker 6: that there are issues with this bill, both from the
35:58
Speaker 6: screen industry and also from the streamers.
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Speaker 2: And you know, mister.
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Speaker 6: Burkers had four years to put this bill through and
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Speaker 6: he's trying to rush it through the Parliament in three days.
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Speaker 6: Most pieces of legislation go through inquiries so you can
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Speaker 6: properly examine these issues. That's what we say should be
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Speaker 6: done with this bill.
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Speaker 1: All right, Jillian Lisa, thank you so much. Appreciate your
36:19
Speaker 1: time coming up next.
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Speaker 3: Fake Gaza accounts exposed, with people based far away from
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Speaker 3: the Middle East posing as war victims.
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Speaker 1: To cash in.
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Speaker 3: Sharon Haskell would join us next Welcome back x. Formerly,
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Speaker 3: Twitter has rolled out a new location feature, and it's
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Speaker 3: already exposing a whole ecosystem of so called Gaza accounts
36:47
Speaker 3: that aren't in Gaza at all. It turns out a
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Speaker 3: bunch of profiles claiming to be posting from the war
36:53
Speaker 3: zone pleading for donations were actually in places like India, London,
36:59
Speaker 3: even Packtan. Israel's Foreign Ministry didn't hold back, saying the
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Speaker 3: update has an I quote ripped the mask off countless
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Speaker 3: fake Gazan accounts or claiming to be suffering in Gaza
37:11
Speaker 3: while sitting comfortably in some coffee shop far away. In
37:17
Speaker 3: one example, an account named Yasmin Mahamsud described herself as
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Speaker 3: a mother in Gaza struggling to survive with her children.
37:26
Speaker 3: She wrote, my baby is struggling to survive. Where losing hope?
37:30
Speaker 3: Where is humanity? But in fact her account is based
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Speaker 3: in India. Extraordinary, extraordinary story. Israel's Deputy Foreign Minister Sharen
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Speaker 3: Haskell joins us. Now Charen great to see you as always.
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Speaker 3: So hello was sharing what were some of these accounts
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Speaker 3: posting it?
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Speaker 1: And what's your reaction to this deception?
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Speaker 17: So this is something that we knew. There are millions
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Speaker 17: of bots and fake count run by Iranian operatives, Katari, Turkish, Russian, Chinese,
38:11
Speaker 17: many of them are trying to influence and this is
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Speaker 17: not just restricted to Israel and to the war in Gaza.
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Speaker 17: During the war, there were a millions of fake accounts
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Speaker 17: spreading out lies, propaganda, trying to claim for donations, trying
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Speaker 17: to claim for fake stories, and this feature, this new feature,
38:32
Speaker 17: actually exposed all of them. Look, the fact is that
38:37
Speaker 17: the social media has created this bubble where you don't
38:41
Speaker 17: really know anymore what is the reality and.
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Speaker 1: What is fake.
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Speaker 17: And so it was used as a political tool as well,
38:53
Speaker 17: in the hands of many of our enemies. I think
38:58
Speaker 17: that people should be aware that those fake accounts don't
39:02
Speaker 17: didn't just did the political work in the war in Gaza,
39:06
Speaker 17: but it's doing the work in Australia, in Europe, in England,
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Speaker 17: many fake Iranian accounts and Russian accounts were discovered, you know,
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Speaker 17: middling with the politics in Scotland coming up the elections
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Speaker 17: and everything and it should raise a serious question on
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Speaker 17: foreign agent who are involved in local politics, who are
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Speaker 17: trying to distort reality for humanity, Because, Sherry, this war
39:37
Speaker 17: we've been fighting, it's really just a frontline of a
39:41
Speaker 17: far bigger war against radical Islam. This is Western democracy's
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Speaker 17: Western civilization, the values that we believe in freedom at
39:50
Speaker 17: the core of it, against those radical jihadists. And unfortunately,
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Speaker 17: social media was used as a tool in the hands
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Speaker 17: of those enemies, in the enemies of freedom.
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Speaker 3: And it's been so effective. The propaganda has been extraordinary,
40:07
Speaker 3: sparked protests around the world. I want to ask you
40:11
Speaker 3: about this strike on Beirute. The IDF says it's eliminated
40:15
Speaker 3: hethm Ali Tabatabi. That's Hesbela's cheap of staff to second
40:20
Speaker 3: in command, I understand. And this was a hit right
40:23
Speaker 3: in the heart of the group's Southern Bay Route stronghold,
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Speaker 3: So Sharan, the US had marked this man as a
40:29
Speaker 3: high value terror target years ago. He was a central
40:32
Speaker 3: architect of Hesbela's military build up. So how significant is
40:37
Speaker 3: this and can we expect to see more strikes like
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Speaker 3: this on other high ranking terrorists across the region?
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Speaker 17: Look, this is very significance. Because we were drawing the
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Speaker 17: red line and we're showing Grisbella that we are going
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Speaker 17: to continue to enforce the agreement of the ceasefire. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 17: and this is some thing that you should.
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Speaker 2: Be aware of.
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Speaker 17: The rebuilding of power by Iran in Lebanon, rebuilding the
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Speaker 17: military power, the arsenal, the missiles. It's growing quicker than
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Speaker 17: the ability of the Lebanese army to take sovereignty over
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Speaker 17: their land and to disarm Chrisbela and to fight chris
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Speaker 17: Bella off, to fight Iran out of their country. They
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Speaker 17: need the help of the international community. And this is
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Speaker 17: the time because this chance is not going to return.
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Speaker 17: Iran has been controlling Lebanon for years now from a
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Speaker 17: military point of view, economically, politically, destroying the social fabric
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Speaker 17: of Lebanon, destroying its economy, using it as their own proxy.
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Speaker 17: And this is an opportunity for the Lebanese people to
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Speaker 17: be liberated.
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Speaker 2: It's real.
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Speaker 17: Can't do it. This is the work of the Lebanese government,
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Speaker 17: the Lebanese Army, together with the international community, as far
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Speaker 17: as it reaches US and as far as Bala will
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Speaker 17: continue to try and pose an existential threat on Israel
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Speaker 17: with miss off with rebuilding the tunnels, rebuilding the Maduin
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Speaker 17: forces who were meant to invade Israel on the eighth
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Speaker 17: of October. We will continue to weaken them, to eliminate
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Speaker 17: them and to make sure that they will not return
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Speaker 17: back to their power of what it was on the
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Speaker 17: sixth of October.
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Speaker 3: Just finding we've only got about a minutes very quickly.
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Speaker 3: You know what is the lightest on the on the
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Speaker 3: Trump pace plan. When do you think we will be
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Speaker 3: moving to phase two? Because the SAMs to have stalled.
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Speaker 17: Well, it's very important to know that there have been hundreds,
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Speaker 17: hundreds of violation almost every single day by Hamas of
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Speaker 17: that cease fire, of that deal. It means they're shooting
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Speaker 17: on our soldiers. Just on Saturday, a Hamas operative took
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Speaker 17: a car through the main humanitarian road started opening fire
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Speaker 17: on Israeli soldiers. They're shooting, they're sending drones acrossing the
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Speaker 17: yellow line. And two of the most important things. One,
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Speaker 17: they haven't returned all the hostages where almost a month ago,
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Speaker 17: all of them were meant to be back home.
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Speaker 2: They know where they are.
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Speaker 17: They're stolen it okay, they're playing games and they're pushing
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Speaker 17: the red lines continuously and the second stage can only
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Speaker 17: come into effect like the international forces when Hamas is
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Speaker 17: going to be disarmed. And I don't see enough international
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Speaker 17: pressure on countries who can put pressure on Hamas to disarm,
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Speaker 17: And we only have two paths sharring. It's either through
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Speaker 17: diplomacy or it's going to have to be in Israel's
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Speaker 17: hand to make sure that this happened through military means.
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Speaker 17: And if the international community don't act now, they will
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Speaker 17: not be able to come and complain in a month
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Speaker 17: or two months time, where the only solution will be
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Speaker 17: that Israel will disarm Commas.
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Speaker 3: All right, strong message there to the international community to
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Speaker 3: put pressure on Jamas Charan, Thank you very much as
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Speaker 3: always for your time. And that's Israel's Deputy Foreign Affairs minister,
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Speaker 3: all right.
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Speaker 1: Still to come.
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Speaker 3: One of the men behind a shocking anti Semitic arson
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Speaker 3: spree has avoided jail. Plus Parliament House ordered into lockdown
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Speaker 3: mode during a Chinese Communist Party visit.
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Speaker 1: That's after the break.
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Speaker 3: MP's and staff in Canberra have been told to shut
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Speaker 3: their blinds, close their doors, and even put their phones
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Speaker 3: and tablets into lockdown mode as senior Chinese Communist Party
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Speaker 3: official Jao Leje tours Parliament House, it says highly unusual
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Speaker 3: and joining me now to discuss this strategic analysis Australia
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Speaker 3: Director Peter Jennings.
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Speaker 1: Peter, good to see you.
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Speaker 3: So why is this extraordinary security protocol now necessary when
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Speaker 3: it wasn't in the past.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's all.
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Speaker 9: Part of the tremendously over the top approach which is
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Speaker 9: taken to visiting Chinese dignitaries. I lived pretty close to
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Speaker 9: Parliament House and I can tell you the security that's
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Speaker 9: been put in place around the building is just astonishing,
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Speaker 9: far more than I have seen for visiting American presidents,
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Speaker 9: and there've been a couple over the last few decades.
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Speaker 9: It's crazy, and all together, I think it reflects a
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Speaker 9: type of deferential approach to dealing with China, which Beijing
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Speaker 9: clearly wants to get from Canberra, and then that's backed
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Speaker 9: up with this concern about security. My only suggestion, in
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Speaker 9: addition to everything else that Parliament was suggesting to the
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Speaker 9: staff was maybe they should hand out buckets of sand
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Speaker 9: which they could sort of bury their faces into like
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Speaker 9: ostriches Shari. It seems to be so often the case
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Speaker 9: that people just don't want to know the reality of China,
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Speaker 9: which is that they are engaged in full on espionage
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Speaker 9: against Australia twenty four to seven. Much for the stabilized
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Speaker 9: relationship which the Prime Minister says he's delivered, when you've
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Speaker 9: got your one of your closest trusted partners spying on
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Speaker 9: you to the extent that you can't even be comfortable
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Speaker 9: when one of their senior people visits Parliament health.
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Speaker 3: I just think it's extraordinary when we've really never seen
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Speaker 3: this level of security before, so the security agencies must
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Speaker 3: have high level concerns. I just want to ask you
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Speaker 3: about the Ukraine peace front, pretty fiery emergency talks in Geneva,
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Speaker 3: and now the original twenty eight point plan Trump's plan.
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Speaker 1: Is now down to nineteen.
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Speaker 3: The toughest decisions kicked upstairs to Trump and Zelenski themselves.
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Speaker 3: Peter direct talks could happen within days, but land swaps
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Speaker 3: and security guarantees still seem to be the sticking points.
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Speaker 3: Do you think the US is going to have to
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Speaker 3: agree to send troops as a security guarantee?
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Speaker 9: Well, Trump has actually talked about doing that in the past,
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Speaker 9: and in reasonably positive terms. I think he will certainly
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Speaker 9: be pressing the Europeans to come forward offering more to
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Speaker 9: the Ukrainians.
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Speaker 10: But unfortunately, Shari, I.
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Speaker 9: Think we're at a stage in the war where much
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Speaker 9: as the Ukrainians don't want to residents, Lenski doesn't want to,
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Speaker 9: they are going to have to be prepared to trade
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Speaker 9: some land for peace, and I think what they need
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Speaker 9: to do now is to hold out for as much
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Speaker 9: as they can possibly get in terms of NATO, American
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Speaker 9: and European military support. That's the critical thing, because everyone,
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Speaker 9: I think accepts the Ukrainian concern that if Russia is
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Speaker 9: allowed to get away with too much, they'll simply invade
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Speaker 9: again in a few years time. So how do we
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Speaker 9: stop that from happening. The answer is with security guarantees.
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Speaker 9: I think Trump will understand that, and so he now
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Speaker 9: has a contest, I guess with his own American political base,
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Speaker 9: which doesn't want to see American troops committed to foreign conflicts.
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Speaker 9: But if it stops the Russians from launching a larger
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Speaker 9: attack against Europe, well that's surely worth an investment of
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Speaker 9: some American personnel.
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Speaker 3: These are hard issues, very Difficult's why it hasn't been
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Speaker 3: resolved yet.
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Speaker 1: Just before we go.
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Speaker 3: I've got to cover this, even if it is very quickly.
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Speaker 3: One of the men behind that shocking anti Semitic graffiti
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Speaker 3: and arson spree in November last year in Sydney has
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Speaker 3: avoided jail. Now, this late night crime spree involved a
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Speaker 3: car being set alight, ten cars, two buildings, and even
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Speaker 3: Matt Moran's restaurant being defaced with anti Semitic graffiti. Now
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Speaker 3: the court says it was sheer luck no one was killed.
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Speaker 3: Yet they accepted that this man wasn't motivated by hate,
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Speaker 3: just cash for drugs, and so he has walked free.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is very difficult to stomach, given the
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Speaker 3: devastation left behind, not to mention the fear and anxiety.
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Speaker 3: I mean, Peter, I don't think I'm going to have
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Speaker 3: time to get your response to this, but in my opinion,
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Speaker 3: there should be punishments for the crime rather than just
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Speaker 3: for the motivation. And I can't imagine police would be
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Speaker 3: happy with this as well. Peter, we do not have
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Speaker 3: time to your response on that. I apologize. We'll get
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Speaker 3: it next time. Thank you everyone for your company Tonight.
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Speaker 3: We'll have more on that on tomorrow's show at eight pm.
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Speaker 1: His pol Murray