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God's Ignored Warnings and America's Rebellion Against God · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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  Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the podcast today, everybody. I'm here in studio
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  Speaker 2: with doctor David Reagan, and we're going to be discussing
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  Speaker 2: what I think is what is in a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people's mind, and that is America in Bible prophecy. But
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  Speaker 2: in order to do that, we really want to start
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  Speaker 2: at the beginning, which we will in a moment. I
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  Speaker 2: want to mind everybody about our upcoming Prophecy conference in Norman, Oklahoma,
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  Speaker 2: October fifth. You can get some information on that at
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  Speaker 2: watcherswekend dot com, check us out twenty four speakers. Is
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  Speaker 2: going to be a great time. It's always wonderful to
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  Speaker 2: hang out with people who are like minded, as we
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  Speaker 2: know that a lot of the church that we see
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  Speaker 2: today doesn't talk about prophecy. I get emails from people
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  Speaker 2: constantly saying, well, my church here there. I've tried to
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  Speaker 2: talk to him, I've tried to start a Bible study
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  Speaker 2: and nobody's interested. So nevertheless, we're going to still do
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  Speaker 2: our best. But doctor Reagan, welcome.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thank you, it's good to be here.
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  Speaker 2: Bando wrote a book which to me, we've done some
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  Speaker 2: programs on this, but it's worth bringing back up called
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  Speaker 2: America's Suicide, and I wanted to kind of you did
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  Speaker 2: five chapters there, America's Blessing, America's rebellion, America's Warning, America's
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  Speaker 2: biblical type in America's Destiny. But as always I always
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  Speaker 2: like to ask what led you to write to this book.
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  Speaker 1: It goes back to nineteen ninety one when the Soviet
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  Speaker 1: Union fell. I went over there immediately, and when I
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  Speaker 1: arrived in Moscow, I could not believe my eyes because
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  Speaker 1: I went into the major department stores. They were empty.
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  Speaker 1: They had no clothing, they had no food, they had nothing,
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  Speaker 1: just nothing. And tens of thousands of Russians were standing
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  Speaker 1: in the streets of Moscow on the sidewalks there with
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  Speaker 1: card tables and they were bordering. They're bordering food for clothes,
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  Speaker 1: clothes for food, this or there's a border economy overnight.
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  Speaker 1: And this was the most powerful nation in the world,
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  Speaker 1: with over at that time, over six thousand nuclear weapons,
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  Speaker 1: and yet brought down to nothing overnight by God. And
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  Speaker 1: as I stood there and looked at that, the Lord
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  Speaker 1: spoke to my heart and said, go back and preach
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  Speaker 1: to America. He said America. I've blessed more than any
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  Speaker 1: other nation in the world, and they are turning against me,
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  Speaker 1: and I want you to tell them what I can
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  Speaker 1: do to a nation overnight. And so I got that
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  Speaker 1: message very strongly, and I went backstoryed preciate that people
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to hear it. Yeah, they didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: hear it. Negative message.
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  Speaker 2: It's like a prophet of old right.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, I'll tell you how they In nineteen ninety nine,
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  Speaker 1: I wrote a book entitled Living for Christ in the
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  Speaker 1: End Times, and the subtitle of it was Coping with
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  Speaker 1: Apostasy and with Violence. So I submitted to the publisher
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  Speaker 1: and he said, well, I can't publish a book with
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  Speaker 1: that title. That's too negative. He said, We're not anywhere
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  Speaker 1: near apostasy and the church and on violence in our society. No,
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  Speaker 1: I says coming. I'm telling you it's coming. He said, well,
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  Speaker 1: I just can't do that, So he refused to print
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  Speaker 1: that subtitle. So fifteen years later, in twenty fifteen, I
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  Speaker 1: jerked the copyright from him. We published ourselves, and we
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  Speaker 1: put that in there that we were going to be
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  Speaker 1: coping with apostasy and with anarchy and people. Then even
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  Speaker 1: then said twenty fifteen, Oh, come on, it's not that bad. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think everybody realized that the day we're coping with apostasy,
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  Speaker 1: if they know what's going on in the church, and
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  Speaker 1: if you look on TV every night, we're dealing with anarchy,
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  Speaker 1: I mean absolute anarchy. And this is what has happened to.
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  Speaker 1: God does this to nations that he has greatly blessed,
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  Speaker 1: and they rebel against him and refuse to repent. And
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  Speaker 1: we have rebelled and we have refused to repent. It's
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  Speaker 1: like we're shaking our fist at God and he's dealing
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  Speaker 1: with us. And the way he deals with that always
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  Speaker 1: is he sends prophetic voices and then he sends remedial
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  Speaker 1: judgments called us to repent us, and he's done both.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you look at the Book of Judges. You know,
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  Speaker 2: everybody did what was right in their own eyes and
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  Speaker 2: went from s in the cycles right over and over blessing,
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  Speaker 2: you know, oppression, deliverance. God comes in, and yet then
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  Speaker 2: they're like, oh wow, okay, they repented, fine, and then
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  Speaker 2: they get blessed and they become complacent all the whole cycle.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk about your chapter one here. America's blessing. How
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  Speaker 2: did God bless America and to become the greatest nation,
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  Speaker 2: wealthiest nation in the history of the world.
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  Speaker 1: I think he did this because our founding fathers were
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  Speaker 1: men who were steeped in the Bible, steeped in the scriptures,
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  Speaker 1: who knew God's word and understood the nature of man.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't trust even in themselves, because they knew that
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  Speaker 1: they were sinners, and this is clear in their writings
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  Speaker 1: and everything else. They did not want to create a
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  Speaker 1: democracy because they knew that democracies always lead to mobocracy
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  Speaker 1: to the people who will give them the most money
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, they will vote for them. So they created
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  Speaker 1: a representative form of government. Most people are not aware
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  Speaker 1: of the fact that the kind of government they created
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  Speaker 1: was representative in the sense that you had representatives in
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  Speaker 1: the Washington d c. But you only had one that
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  Speaker 1: you voted in. Senators were not elected by the people.
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  Speaker 1: They were elected by the state legislatures. The only person
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  Speaker 1: you voted for in the national government directly was a
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  Speaker 1: congressman who served for two years. You kick him out
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  Speaker 1: at the end of two years. With the president, the
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  Speaker 1: vote was indirect. The president was selected by electors who
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  Speaker 1: were selected by state legislatures, so you voted for people
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  Speaker 1: the state legislature, they selected the electors. And over the
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  Speaker 1: years we've done away with thatch recess, so that now
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  Speaker 1: we've elected the electors, and we've done away with the
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  Speaker 1: process for senators by directly electing them. We have moved
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  Speaker 1: more toward a pure democracy, and the result is that
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  Speaker 1: you can see in recent elections parties offering to buy votes.
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  Speaker 1: Ye forgive your student loans if you will vote for us,
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  Speaker 1: we will. You know, it's just money thrown around all
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  Speaker 1: over the place trying to get votes. So our founding
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  Speaker 1: fathers were men who knew the word. They knew that
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  Speaker 1: they had to protect us against centers. So they not
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  Speaker 1: only had a representative former government, they had a government
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  Speaker 1: with a separation of powers, where you had the legislative,
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  Speaker 1: the judicial, and the executive executives a branch, and those
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  Speaker 1: three were given specific powers and that were separated. So
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  Speaker 1: they tried every way in the world across that, and
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  Speaker 1: again we are beginning to violate all that. Presidents are
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  Speaker 1: signing executive orders and passing laws that only the Congress
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  Speaker 1: should pass. So we have moved into a period where
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  Speaker 1: we have deserted our wonderful heritage. We had a Christian
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  Speaker 1: heritage in this country that was incredible that went throughout
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  Speaker 1: the nineteenth century and before that, the eighteenth century. The
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  Speaker 1: seventeenth century, ninety percent or more ninety five percent claimed
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  Speaker 1: to be Christians. That doesn't mean they were mean, but
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  Speaker 1: they claimed they were and Christian values. This nation was
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  Speaker 1: found on judaic Christian values, and those were our values. Listen.
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  Speaker 1: I was born in nineteen thirty eight. When I grew
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  Speaker 1: up in the nineteen forties, nothing was open on Sunday
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  Speaker 1: except the drug stores, pharmacies, filling stations, and that was it.
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  Speaker 1: Name food stores were open. We honored the Sabbath, we ornered,
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  Speaker 1: and nothing was scheduled that. No sporting events were No
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  Speaker 1: sporting events were scheduled on Wednesday night because everybody went
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  Speaker 1: to church old Sunday and Wednesday nights. Ninety one percent
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  Speaker 1: of Americas at that time were still claiming to be Christians.
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  Speaker 1: And I tell young people about what it was like
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  Speaker 1: growing up in America, they think got dropped in from
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  Speaker 1: another planet. Because not only that, but in school, we
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  Speaker 1: prayed every day over the loud speakers, we read Bible verses.
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  Speaker 1: We started every day with Bible verses and prayers. We
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  Speaker 1: had celebrations of Easter, we had celebrations of Christmas. We
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  Speaker 1: prayed in the classrooms. My senior reader nineteen fifty six,
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  Speaker 1: when I was a senior in high school, our senior
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  Speaker 1: reader in English class was Bible stories with a moral
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  Speaker 1: at the end. That's how much we take. That's how
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  Speaker 1: quick we've changed how somebody sent me a photograph the
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  Speaker 1: other day that emphasized how fast our decline has curved.
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  Speaker 1: It was a photograph of New York City in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: fifty six on the eve of Easter, and all the
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  Speaker 1: major buildings in New York City were lit up with
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  Speaker 1: a cross. That would be unthinkable. It was nineteen fifty
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  Speaker 1: six when the Congress put in God we Trust as
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  Speaker 1: our motto. It was nineteen fifty six when the Congress
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  Speaker 1: decided to put one nation under God in our pledge
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  Speaker 1: of Allegiance. Neither one of those could happen today. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: there are people in Congress who want to revoke that.
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  Speaker 2: And what do we have just recently where one of
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  Speaker 2: the Congresses gets up and he's praying in the name
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  Speaker 2: of some mother goddess. Oh, here we are, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: here we are.
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  Speaker 1: On d Day Franklin road Belt set down before the microphones,
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  Speaker 1: and he prayed a six minute prayer for God to
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  Speaker 1: be with our soldiers. And it was a fascinating prayer, thrilling,
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  Speaker 1: inspiring prayer. And when they built the World War II
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  Speaker 1: Memorial in Washington, d C. They were supposed to put
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  Speaker 1: that prayer on the wall, and Obama said no, and
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  Speaker 1: they put did not put it up, and there was
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  Speaker 1: such a revolt against that that probably must have been
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  Speaker 1: five or six years later they finally erected a wall
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  Speaker 1: with that prayer on it. But that's where we aregue.
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  Speaker 1: There are people today who are arguing that we should
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  Speaker 1: get rid of our pledge of allegiance and replace it
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  Speaker 1: with John Lennon's Imagine, which is a song to the
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  Speaker 1: glory of atheism.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, that's really what it comes down to, is you
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  Speaker 2: have the blessing God, which is God, and then you
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  Speaker 2: have humanism coming into play.
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  Speaker 1: There we go.
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  Speaker 2: So let's talk about so there's no doubt the heritage
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  Speaker 2: coming from the Pilgrims in the sixteen hundred all the
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  Speaker 2: way through. But then your second.
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  Speaker 1: Chapter you're say there's no doubt, Well, there is no
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  Speaker 1: doubt I mean, except for the fact that the history
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  Speaker 1: books that are being used in our educational system today
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  Speaker 1: deny the Christian heritage, just deny it, and yet it's
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  Speaker 1: just overwhelming.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it goes with your second chapter, rebellion. I think
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  Speaker 2: part of that revisionism that you just described is part
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  Speaker 2: of the rebellion. They're rewriting history. Yes, they're taking away.
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  Speaker 2: I wrote a paper in college on the separation of
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  Speaker 2: Church and State, and beginning nineteen forty seven with the
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  Speaker 2: Emberson decision, the Board versus Emerson, where Justice Hugo took
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  Speaker 2: that phrase separation of church and States by Thomas Jefferson
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  Speaker 2: to the Danburry Baptist totally turn it upside down of
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  Speaker 2: all the previous meeting and from there, I mean it
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  Speaker 2: was nineteen forty seven, but it took some time from
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  Speaker 2: that moment where that phrase is the most quoted phrase
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  Speaker 2: really of Jefferson that never has existed, turned completely upside down.
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  Speaker 2: That's I think that was the beginning of the rebellion,
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  Speaker 2: which led to remove a prayer of schools praying Bible reading.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it's interesting to note that that phrase
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  Speaker 1: is in the Russian Constitution separation of Church and state
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  Speaker 1: is not in our constitution.
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  Speaker 2: And originally Jefferson was giving comfort to the Baptist saying, hey,
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  Speaker 2: you guys have nothing to worry about. The federal government
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  Speaker 2: will not intrude on you, cannot intrude on you because
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  Speaker 2: of this separation. It's a high wall. And now it's
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  Speaker 2: the other way round. So let's talk more about that rebellion.
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  Speaker 1: In what happened is the humanists in America began to
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  Speaker 1: in the Humanist Manifesto, which came out at the beginning
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  Speaker 1: of the twentieth century, they made it their goal to
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  Speaker 1: take over American education because they knew if they could
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  Speaker 1: take over American education, they could succeed. And basically, what
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  Speaker 1: a humanist is is a person who believes in man.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't believe in God. He believes in man. He
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  Speaker 1: believes that man is capable is basically good violation of
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  Speaker 1: the Bible. He believes that man can be affected, that
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  Speaker 1: that's through social justice and through education, that man can
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  Speaker 1: build a utopia on earth, a measurable and that all
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  Speaker 1: problems can be solved by man who needs godep And
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  Speaker 1: that's where we are today. That's where we are today.
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  Speaker 1: They have taken over our educational system. And incidentally, I
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  Speaker 1: think that's one of the good things that came out
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  Speaker 1: of the pandemic, is that people had their children taught
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  Speaker 1: by zoom and they began to see what they were teaching. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and they were horrified, horrified by what they were being teened.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a great revolt against that today. But the
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  Speaker 1: humanists have made tremendous Just stop and think for a moment.
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  Speaker 1: Our children are usually in Sunday school once a week,
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  Speaker 1: and they got them every day.
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  Speaker 2: Of the week, every day.
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  Speaker 1: That's why Christian education is so important. You know.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you a story because you know, I was
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  Speaker 2: a youth pastor for a long time, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: and as I pastored, I always taught youth for twenty
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  Speaker 2: years and many times, you know, a child would you know, fourteen,
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  Speaker 2: there'd be a rebel whatever, and the a parent. Many
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  Speaker 2: times a pair would come to me and said, I
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  Speaker 2: want to have a meeting with you. I said sure,
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  Speaker 2: and they go, you know, Johnny is acting up, he's
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  Speaker 2: doing this, he's doing that, and he's not spiritually growing,
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  Speaker 2: and we blame you. And I said, hold on a minute,
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  Speaker 2: I go let me see if I get this straight.
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  Speaker 2: I go. First of all, I get him for one
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  Speaker 2: hour a week on Sunday night and maybe if we
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  Speaker 2: have a Wednesday night, So that's that's an hour and
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  Speaker 2: a half, an hour and a half out of one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and sixty eight hours a week. You get him
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  Speaker 2: the rest of the time. And then secondly, you're sending
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  Speaker 2: him to school to get seven hours of indoctrination during
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  Speaker 2: the day. So that's thirty five hours plus your time.
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  Speaker 2: And you want me to do a miracle here to
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  Speaker 2: totally change every all day in the thirty five hours
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  Speaker 2: of school plus whatever you're teaching him or not, and
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  Speaker 2: I have to undo that in an hour every week.
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  Speaker 2: I go, come on, don't you think this is a
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  Speaker 2: little bit imbalanced?
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  Speaker 1: Wat's being done to our kids today? Is just horrible
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  Speaker 1: going to school and being taught. Now, are you sure
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  Speaker 1: you're a boy? You sure you're a girl? Don't you
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  Speaker 1: think you might be a girl?
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  Speaker 2: There thirty seven other genders?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yes, oh yes. And these kids are so confused.
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  Speaker 1: It's just pathetic. They don't have, you know, giving an
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  Speaker 1: example of a difference in times. In nineteen fifty six,
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  Speaker 1: when I graduated from Waco High School as a senior,
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  Speaker 1: We had four hundred and fifty in the class. On
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  Speaker 1: any given day, we had two hundred pickup trucks in
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  Speaker 1: the parking lot. Every one of them had a gun wrecked.
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  Speaker 1: Every one of them had three They had a twenty
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  Speaker 1: two rifle, a deer rifle, and a shotgun. And nobody
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  Speaker 1: thold anything about that because we were all, you know, church,
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  Speaker 1: We were taughting Junaio Christian values. Did they why is
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  Speaker 1: there so much school violence? Well, kids don't know any better.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what they know. Well, it goes back
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  Speaker 2: to what John Adams said, is that this constitution, the
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  Speaker 2: situation of governance is meant for a religious and moral people. Well,
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  Speaker 2: if you've removed that out, it cannot work.
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  Speaker 1: Our whole constitutional system is based upon assumption there will
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  Speaker 1: be a strong moral and religious base. And there was
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  Speaker 1: a professor at Harvard University who's going to be with
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  Speaker 1: the Lord now, who did a little short video time ago,
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  Speaker 1: and he talked about that in particular, and he said, folks,
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  Speaker 1: let me tell you something. The reality is this, there
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  Speaker 1: are not enough police in the world to enforce the laws.
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  Speaker 1: He said, You've got to have people who want to
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  Speaker 1: oby the law.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got to be something on the inside. So
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  Speaker 2: we have humanism that made its way into the higher
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  Speaker 2: education or even all education. What about politics do we
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  Speaker 2: see or in the courts? Here again, I mentioned in
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  Speaker 2: nineteen forty seven, this rebellion, America's rebellion. We started seeing
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  Speaker 2: a judicial legislation where they began to undo some of
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  Speaker 2: these sayings.
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  Speaker 1: Violation of the separation of powers yep. Legislating from the
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  Speaker 1: bench from the bench and legislating by executive orders. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and that did happen. In fact, it was the Supreme Court,
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  Speaker 1: more than anyone else in our government who laid the
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  Speaker 1: foundation for the destruction of America in decision after decision
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  Speaker 1: after decision. I'll never forget the decision they made concerning
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  Speaker 1: the display of the Ten Commandments in Kentucky on every
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  Speaker 1: school classroom wall in Kentucky there was the Ten Commandments,
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  Speaker 1: and somebody objected to that. It would always Supreme Court.
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  Speaker 1: The Court rule the post Ten Commandments could not be
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  Speaker 1: on the well. But what was even worse. I challenged
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  Speaker 1: you to find this on the internet and find the decision.
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  Speaker 1: The court said, point blank, if that's on the wall
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  Speaker 1: of every classroom, the students read it, they might start
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  Speaker 1: obeying it. I thought that was the purpose, and they said, oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's just unacceptable, yes, and so they ordered it removed.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. When Poland was under communist
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  Speaker 1: rule and the Communist leaders of Poland said we want
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  Speaker 1: the crucifixes removed from every classroom in this nation, the
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  Speaker 1: people went in the streets and said, you'll do it
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  Speaker 1: over our dead bodies and they backed off.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but we didn't see that at ours, did we. No,
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  Speaker 2: So we have politics, now, we have a higher education.
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  Speaker 2: What about the culture. Has the culture rebuild against God?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely? A cultural rebellion in this nation is just unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: As I've told you before, every day I say to
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  Speaker 1: my wife it can't get any worse. The next day
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  Speaker 1: is worse. It's just worse. I mean everything you can imagine.
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  Speaker 1: They're attacking right now. A biology professor at a college
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  Speaker 1: in San Antonio, Texas was fired last week. He's been
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  Speaker 1: there for twenty years as a distinguished professor of biology,
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  Speaker 1: and he was fired because four students got upset over
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  Speaker 1: the fact that he wrote on the blackboard that gender
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: is decided to determined by your gene. You either got
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: ex or you gotta that's biological science.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fact.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: And they went to the administration said, well, we can't
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: tolerate this, and they fired him.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: They fired him.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: This morning, I was reading about a professor in Pennsylvania
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: who was fired because he was an English professor, had
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: been at the university there for many years, and they
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: told him said, when you teach English from now owned,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: you are always to teach the following that American English
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: is English that was designed by white people, and therefore
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: it represents white majority, you know, racism at all, and
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: you must let the students know that. And he said,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: I won't do it, and they fired it. At the
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: time is coming when Christians are going to have to
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: stand up for what they believe and are they going
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: to stand.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Or not well, and even something like here in this
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: situation standing and the next thing, you might not have
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: a job.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: So I mean it's a matter of making the decision
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: and willing to stand on principles, which then is to
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: take the consequences of being unemployed.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Jesus said, we are to be salt and we are
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: to be light, and we have to stand for righteous.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: If we don't, nobody will. And the problem we've got
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: is that today the number of people who profess to
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: be Christians has dropped from ninety one percent in nineteen
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: mid nineteen fifties to sick sixty one percent. And the
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: people who go to church every week it's down to
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: something like twenty percent and drop in like a rock.
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  Speaker 1: And the pandemic has made it even.
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  Speaker 2: And let's so so America's rebellion. You know, we have
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  Speaker 2: the politics, we have the judicials, we have the culture
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: of the church. And that's the thing the church now,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: So even the twenty percent that might go to church,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: they might be going to some liberally denominated church where
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: they're not even they don't believe in the inspiration of
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: scripture or the authority of scripture or the clarity that.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: They've believed what you want to believe.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Many of them gone woke. Oh yeah, absolutely, So I
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: almost want to tell them stop going to church, and
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: we don't want you going to church to get in doctors.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Now they're becoming a doctor not just by higher education,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: but by the church.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Well sixty one percent the day who claim to be Christians.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: I am convinced that almost may be the majority of them,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: or cultural Christians.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not even yea.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: They're not born up Christian home raised up. They go
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: to church sometimes, but they're not really born again. In fact,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: I used to have a colleague named Dinis Paulack who
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: ministered with me for ten years, and he loved to
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: go out to the apartment bills and knocked doors for
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Jesus and they'll straight came back. One time, he said,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: you know what I get. I knocked doors and I say,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: are you a Christian? I say, yeah, I'm a Christian,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: But boy, I don't go out and knock on doors.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: You must be one of those born again Christians.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Is there any other kinds?
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: He said, say to me, you must be one of
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: those born again. Yeah. Oh yeah, it's become a label,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: he said, they got they're insulting me, and they're really
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: it's so true. So I mean the church is so
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: anxious to please the world.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's John twelve forty three. They love the praises
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: of men rather than the praises of God. I mean
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: that to me, that Jesus is scolding the Pharisees for that,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: and they didn't learn. I think one of the things
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: that you did in the book, which is helpful, is
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: God doesn't change. And so the way that He has
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: worked that we see in the scripture, in the Old Testament,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: he blesses people rebel. It's his nature then to come
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: and to give warnings and to bring judgment. So you
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: bring Yoeser. Chapter three is America's warnings. Talk about that.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Well, first of all, God has raised up prophetic
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: voices in this nation. And I've written the whole book
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: just about that about prophetic voices, the first one being
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Peter Marshall. As late as early as nineteen forty four,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: he preached a fantastic sermon in New Orleans, and this
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: nation is going to have a surge of materialism when
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: World War two ends, because that you beenerations and all.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: He said, people are going to go money mad. Money
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: is going to become the god of this nation. And
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: we need to face up to that, and we need
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: to be prepared for it. We need to preach against it.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: We need a prophetic voice. Well, that prophetic voice appeared
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: on the scene, I believe in nineteen seventy four when
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Dave Wilkerson wrote his book Vision, in which he talked
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: about the vision God had given him for America and
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: it was not good, and he called America to repentance.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: And at that same time, same year, Don Wilman was
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: called by God to speak out against the violence and
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: the immorality and the blasphemy and movies and television programs.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: And in that same time another one came along. I
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: can't remember his name right off fan, but God had
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: a whole series of voices that were raised up at
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: that time, and since then he's raised up many more
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: like David Jeremiah and people of that nature who are
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: speaking out of bits of America and calling us to
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: repentance and saying, if we don't repent, God is going
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: to pour out his wrath. So he has done that
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: and we haven't repented. So then he sent to remedial judgments.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: That's what he always does, and we've had. I believe
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: the Vietnam War was a remediable judgment in response to
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: the fact that in the nineteen sixties we had a
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: sexual revolution in this country and free sets and all
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: that sort of thing. And then we had the Katrina,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: which was I think a double thing. First of all,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: it didn't come across the ocean like most of the current.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: It was formed overnight in the Gulf Gulf of Mexico
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: and it was formed on the last day that we
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: had forced Israel forced him to pull out of the
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Gossel Strip. And I think there was a remedial judgment,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and God has had other remediate judgments like the stock
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: market crash of nineteen eighty seven where it went down
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: seven hundred and seventy seven points. Is almost like God
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: signed it from me. And David Wilkerson had predicted this
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: in his vision. He said, We're going to have a
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: major collapse. It's not going to be a depression, it's
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: going to be a recession. And he says it's going
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: to result in a political revolution. And that's exactly what happened.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: That resulted in the election of liberals instead of conservatives.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: And it just goes on and own the remedial judgments
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: that God has poured out on this nation, but people
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: have avoided them. And see what scares me, not scares me,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: but concerns me is this romans One says that when
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: a gation that God has blessed starts rebelling against God,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: he will first of all put a sexual revolution upon them.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Now a sexual revolution, says he steps back, lowers the
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: hedge of protection, and a sexual revolution will break out
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: in nineteen sixties, says if they refuse to repent, he'll
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: step back a second time. Then it says, if they
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: still refuse repent, he'll step back a third and final
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: time and allow the society to destroy itself by turning
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: it over to depraved minds and folks. That's where we
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: order do.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when we think about the confusion, the debased mind,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: the depraved mind, the inability to think. I look out
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: and I go, really, this is what we're doing in
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: the sense of ruining the lives of children, and we're
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: allowing them to make decisions for themselves at two years old,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: and we go, what, But this is this is the.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Depravity to do in operations on them and give them
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: drugs and so forth when they're four and five years old.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Is if they know, well, isn't the job of a
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: parent is to guide a child and say, no.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: You're poor boy.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: I want a girl, yep, yep, I remember you know,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: you know I got three daughters, and my middle daughter
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: very uh. She liked to play with cars and trucks
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: and everything else. And we're just like, so what and
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: now you look at her out, she's got this big
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: old thing of blonde hair. She knows she's not confused,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: but she so what But you know, imagine if we
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: I could have encouraged her, well maybe you were a boy.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Well you know, one thing I point out to people
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: when they say, I really, when I talked to Christians today,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: even really true Christians, they just find it difficult to
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: believe that God will ever judge this nation. It's like
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: they believe God's sitting on the throne with an American
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: flag draped from out his shoulders. And that was the
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: attitude of the people of Judah when Jeremiah went to
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: them and said, you either repeat her, God's going to
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: destroy this nation. They said, the temple, the temple, the temple.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: What that means. God will never destroy the temple.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: God will.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Detected. You're a liar, you're blowing hot wind. And Americans
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: so the same way God will never touch this nation, we.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Will because I mean they look at her history, which
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: which is fine, but they look and they say no way, no,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: no way. And You're like, hey, look God, God doesn't
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: have this secret agreement with America somewhere in history that
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: if a nation rebels and we have, if he doesn't judge.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: I think it was Billy Graham that said, so, oh yeah, right,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: if he doesn't judge America, he's got apologize to Sodom
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: a Camorah. And so here we are, I mean, and
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: so the warnings, there's no doubt there's always a remnant, right,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: we believe there's a remnant, the remnant here we are.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: We believe we're part of the remnant, least giving warnings
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: of the need for repentance others. So we're not alone.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: But the warnings are still going out.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, yes. God is very patient, he's long suffering.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: But there comes a point where he decides that discipline
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: moved from discipline to destruction.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know, I think too, going back to
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: the Romans one passions, I think people need to remember
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: that in Romans one to eighteen, the wrath of God
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: is revealed against ungodliness. And so when we look at
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: verses twenty four, twenty six, and twenty eight the abandonment,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: if you look at a nation and you see that
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: that abandonment, it shows you that God's wrath is already there.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: It's not coming.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: There's different kinds of wrath, and one kind of wrath
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: is abandonment wrath where God simply says, okay, you want
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: to live like that, then I'll just step back lower
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: of the hedge of protection and let you live in
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: a foul nest.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: And it's here, it's here, it's not coming.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: It's here. You're right, it's already here. It's already here,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: and it's getting worse.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Do and that's see. That's the amazing thing is can
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: it get any worse? And we say, yes, people, it can.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's going to be increasing, increasing persecution in this nation.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: We're going to be fine. All we have to do
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: is look at Canada. What's going on in Canada? You know,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I was one time in by to be a guest
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: on a particular television program and national TV program by
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: prophecy scholar. And so I was on the program and
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: they've getting ready to shoot it, and that all of
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: a sudden, the director run runs out and says, hold on,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: hold on from it, says doc Ory, and I forgot
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: to tell you something. Do not speak against abortion or homosexuality.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: And I said why? He said, because we broadcast in Canada.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: And he said, if if we say anything against those two,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: they will give us a warning. And the second time,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: they'll find us fifty thousand dollars and a third time
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: were cut off forever and that and that's true in
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Canada today. And I told him, I said, so you
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: are are then cincturing yourself. I said, tell them to
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: tune into you on the internet to your program. Oh, well,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: we just don't want to do that. And so, you know,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: it's just the things that are going on in Canada
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: during the pandemic, when they were walking into churches and
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: in the middle of worship services and arresting the pastors
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: because they had the audacity to hold their service. This
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff is going on in Canada.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: So let me let me, let me jump in for
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: a minute. I want to ask you a question because
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: this is so somebody's listening to this. Maybe they're not
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: a Christian and they're hearing us talk about sin and
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: what the Bible says. We don't define sin, God does. So, uh,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: they're gonna look at us potentially and go, look, these
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: are a bunch of hate bongers. Well let me let's
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: turn it around for a minute. Are we two, Are
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: we promoting hate or violence against anybody? Or or is
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: it loving to speak the truth?
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: It's loving to speak the truth. Listen, if you're discover
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: that highway bridge has gone out, and you go out
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the highway and you start telling
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: people stop, stop stop, are you being hateful, You're being truthful.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: You're making them feel bad, You're making them.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Feel that's tough. Yeah, that's just something that all over
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: the place that you can't make people feel bad. Therefore
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: you cannot have true freedom, true of speech, and true
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: make somebody uncomfortable. That's terrible.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the most loving thing that we can do. And
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: again the warned people, and you know we're saying this
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: to me. I mean, I have no people that are
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe homosexual, whatever, And I don't desire evil
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: on them. I don't on them. I don't desire anything negative.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: But it is right to warn them that they're going
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: to answer to the Lord one day. Absolutely, and it's
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: our job to speak that truth, to say we wanted
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: to go well for you on that day because we
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: love you.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: So much of Christianity has been taken over by the
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: seekers of friendly movement that says, remove the crosses that
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: might offend somebody, and you know, be very careful what
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: songs you stilect because they might mention wrath or repentance
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: or whatever, and we don't want to do that. And
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: we just don't want to offend anybody. That's not the gospel.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: The gospel is offensive. It says you are a sinner
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: in rebenting against God and you need to be redeemed.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: And Matthew eleven, Jesus spoke hard truth to John the Baptist.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: He says, bluster all those who are not offended. I mean,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: you know, because the blessing is there that if you
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: take his truth and you submit to it, but just
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: to resistant And I'm offended. And he says, well, I'll
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: watch out for that.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: So what about my feelings too? They talk about tolerance
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: all the time, but they attack us exactly all the time. Yea.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: So that whole kind of leftist liberal idea of being
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: the most tolerant.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: It's laughingly hypocritical.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: It's a laughable one. So chapter four in your book
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: here America suicide, America's biblical type. What did you mean
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: by that?
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Well, I do not think America is directly in Bible prophecy,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: but I believe we have a prophetic type. And that
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: prophetic type is ancient Judah. No other nation has ever
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: been blessed in the history of the world like we
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: have been blessed except Judah. Judah had great leaders, they
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: had prosperity, they had peace, they had they had the
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Chicano glory of God. It is amazing.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: God's defense I mean has a KaiA, right, I mean
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: he got defended all over, yeah, exactly.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: And so I think they are our prophetic type. And
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: so all the blessings that God gave them, he gave us.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: I think He founded this nation for the purpose of
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: using our great natural resources, our ingenuity, our technological knowledge,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: and so forth, to spread the Gospel all over the world.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: And we did so. I mean, it's amazing. For two hundred,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: three hundred years we did that. And God poured out
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: his blessings upon this nation. And then we began to
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: take response. Judah began to thank Boy, we really earned
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: all this. We're really great, you know. And they began
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: to operate in pride. That led to rebellion, led to
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: God giving them warnings and remedial judgments, and finally God
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: poured out his destruction upon destroyed the temple, destroyed Jerusalem,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: which they never thought could happen. And that's the way
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: we are today. We are. God is so patient, so kind,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: so full of loving kindness, and he's so patient with us,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: and he's sending us warnings of all kinds, and we
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: are just going on our way doing what we want
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: to do, rebuilding against God. Alexander Sojhanitson, the great Russian novelist,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: was kicked out of Russia when he won the Nobel Prize.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: They just kicked him out, and he came to the
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: United States. A lot of people are not aware of that,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: lived in Vermont, and Harvard University invited him, I forget
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: what year it was, is in the nineteen seventies to
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: come to Harvard as their commencement speaker. He arrived as
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: a conquering hero, the man who had stet up against communism,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: and before his speech was over, they were loudly booing
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: him and he leaved as a pariah. He left as
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: a pariah because in that speech he said, I have
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: been in America now there ten years, and I want
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: to tell you you're on the same road that Russia was on.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: You know why men have forgotten God? And that was
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: one of God's messengers to us. A foreigner came to
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: this country and said, you have forgotten God, and because
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: of that, you're going to experience the same kind of
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: wath we have experienced.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: If you don't, you're on the same path. I mean
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: that this is where you know again Melachai three six.
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  Speaker 2: God is I change not right his nature. He will
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  Speaker 2: judge sin. That's just that this is what he does.
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  Speaker 2: I think about going back to the time of Judah.
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  Speaker 2: You know he sent Ezekiel, he sent Jeremiah, and one
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  Speaker 2: of one of the most I would say enigmatic passages
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  Speaker 2: is it's easy to remember. It's Jeremiah eleven fourteen and
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  Speaker 2: Jeremiah fourteen eleven, where Jeremiah the weeping prophet. He's he's
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  Speaker 2: getting these these messages about the coming demise of Judah
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  Speaker 2: unless they repent. And finally God just said, okay, it's over,
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  Speaker 2: it's done. And then Jeremiah goes and he's still weeping.
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  Speaker 2: He's praying God. God says those two passages. Stop praying
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  Speaker 2: for Judah. It's done. It's over. I'm not changing my
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  Speaker 2: mind it. Do not pray for them. And you're like, well, wait,
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  Speaker 2: wait what I thought? We I thought God always will
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  Speaker 2: has the opportunity to relent.
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  Speaker 1: No, there there is a point when the wound becomes incurable,
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  Speaker 1: is the way the Bible puts it when it reads
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  Speaker 1: that part. For example, when Naam went to uh Uh Nineveh,
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, God said the wound is incurable. The first
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  Speaker 1: time Jonah went, they repent it. The second time they
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  Speaker 1: did not, send God destroyed. Its not gonna happen when
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  Speaker 1: the wound becomes But let me tell you passage even
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  Speaker 1: more powerful. Then. That's in Ezekiel, where God told Ezekiel,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want you praying any more for this nation.
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  Speaker 1: He said, this nation is so bad that if the
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  Speaker 1: three most righteous men ever lived were praying for it,
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  Speaker 1: it would only be in behalf of their families, but
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  Speaker 1: not this nation. Yep, I've made They've crossed the line.
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  Speaker 1: I've made my decision.
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  Speaker 2: Even if Daniel Job and who I don't forget who
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  Speaker 2: the other one was, maybe Samuel or something, if they
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  Speaker 2: showed up and interceded, that's it. Ezekiel fourteen. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you're like, it was job no and Daniel job yeah, job, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there is Joe know and Daniel. Even if they showed up,
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  Speaker 2: it's over.
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  Speaker 1: It's over.
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  Speaker 2: There's nothing to be which kind of leads us to
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  Speaker 2: your last chapter here America's destiny. So you know, people
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  Speaker 2: are Americans, man, We love America. We have this history,
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  Speaker 2: and even if you we're Christian or part of the remnant,
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  Speaker 2: we love the idea of what America once was. But
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  Speaker 2: we also, as you mentioned, think that Jesus has draped
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  Speaker 2: in an American flag or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: You know. The poet I end with tell Us is
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  Speaker 1: that I don't think there's much hope for our nation,
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  Speaker 1: but there's hope for individual Americans. That God never gives
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  Speaker 1: up on people, and He's ready to bring you into
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  Speaker 1: his kingdom if you will accept Jesus as your Lord
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  Speaker 1: and Savior and receive the end dwelling in the Holy Spirit.
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  Speaker 1: And Robert Jeffers likes to put it this way. He said,
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  Speaker 1: when he took his daughter to buy a ring at
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  Speaker 1: a jewelry store, they first put out a black cloth
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  Speaker 1: and put the ring on it. It made it really sparkle.
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  Speaker 1: And he says, folks, let me tell you, when we
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  Speaker 1: get into the darkest times, that's when Jesus shines the most.
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  Speaker 1: If we are proclaiming the gospel, and many people will
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  Speaker 1: be brought to the Lord in the end. Times is
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  Speaker 1: the reason Adrian Rogers said the world is growing gloriously
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  Speaker 1: dark because he knew Bible prophecy, and he knew the
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  Speaker 1: prophecy says the world will be like it was in
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  Speaker 1: the time of Noah when Jesus returns, and that's where
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  Speaker 1: we are now. Noah's time was characterized by immorality and
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  Speaker 1: violence and brothers, we're there, yeah, absolutely, and that's a
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  Speaker 1: time when many people will come to the Lord. So
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  Speaker 1: there's absolute hope for individuals.
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  Speaker 2: So people say, okay, doctor Reagan. You know, we know
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  Speaker 2: the Bible says, you know, second time, three youth a chain.
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  Speaker 2: People are gonna get worse and worse. But revivals coming,
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  Speaker 2: you know, revivals coming. I mean people claim to have
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  Speaker 2: visions of revivals and the whole you know, the there's
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  Speaker 2: can be one more American great time of American greatness.
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  Speaker 1: It was I've heard this. We're over. There's been great
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  Speaker 1: times in the past when we grew cold in the
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  Speaker 1: Lord and the relivle came in the war, but we
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  Speaker 1: grew cold. We have grown cold. We're an absolute, outright
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  Speaker 1: rebellion against God today. Furthermore, I believe all the signs
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  Speaker 1: of the times have converged. I believe there is no
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  Speaker 1: doubt whatsoever that we're in the season of the Lord's return.
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  Speaker 1: And the Bible gives prophecies about the Church and the
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  Speaker 1: end times. There is not one positive prophecy about the
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  Speaker 1: Church and the end times. Every prophecy about the Church
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  Speaker 1: and the end times it says doctrines of demons.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. It talks about departing from the faith, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Itching ears and preaching what people want to hear and
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  Speaker 1: all this sort of thing, departure from the faith, gross apostasy.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't talk about any great revival leodicia. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we're in the age of luke warmness. Yeah, thinking that
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  Speaker 2: we're rich but we're not.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, and people don't want to face up to that.
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  Speaker 2: It's just yeah when we look around. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: so people ask, okay, well, so are you saying then
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  Speaker 2: that where's America? Adam prophecy isn't America's you know, the
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  Speaker 2: you know, the most powerful nation.
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  Speaker 1: In the world.
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  Speaker 2: Certainly we have to be there at the end.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what. I think. We're on the
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  Speaker 1: verge of the greatest financial collapse in the history of mankind.
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  Speaker 1: Because money is the God of America, and our true
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  Speaker 1: God is a jealous god. He is going to touch
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  Speaker 1: our money and destroy our God. And I think that
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  Speaker 1: America will become a second rate power in the world,
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  Speaker 1: and probably the only right way we'll be able to
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  Speaker 1: survive is to join the European Union under the Antichrist.
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  Speaker 1: So I I just don't really believe that this nation
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  Speaker 1: has much hope because of our rebellion against God. And
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  Speaker 1: there is a time when God just says that's it.
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  Speaker 1: The wound has become incurable.
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  Speaker 2: And even as you mentioned the biblical type of Judah,
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  Speaker 2: that we look and we see that Daniel was part
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  Speaker 2: of the remnant and he was taken off to Babylon.
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  Speaker 2: He was actually removed, he was saved. And even in
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  Speaker 2: Jeremiah he tells them, hey, you guys are in Babylon.
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna be their seventy years. As a judgment, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not changing my mind. Stay there, plant plant vineyards, plant gardens,
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  Speaker 2: stick around for I'll pray for the city, pray for
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  Speaker 2: those the leaders, because you're going to be there for
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  Speaker 2: a while. And so the Remnant was still protected by
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  Speaker 2: the Lord and they were given an opportunity, but the
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  Speaker 2: nations as a national system gone.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm glad you mentioned Daniel because I think the
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  Speaker 1: Book of Daniel is going to become extremely important to
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  Speaker 1: all Christians because it shows how to live in a
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  Speaker 1: pagan society. Yeah, and our society is pagan, is going
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  Speaker 1: to increasing pagan, and we need to learn how to
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  Speaker 1: live in a pagan society.
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  Speaker 2: Which and it does mean that we I'm not I
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  Speaker 2: don't think you're saying. We're not saying that we shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: pray for revival. Of course we should, but it's a
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  Speaker 2: matter of expectation.
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  Speaker 1: The main thing we need to do is stand for
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  Speaker 1: righteousness and for righteous because if we don't, nobody will.
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  Speaker 1: And Jesus said, stand for righteousness, be salt and light
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: in this world world. And you know, Don Wilman told
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  Speaker 1: me one time, he said, David, the most discouraging letters
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  Speaker 1: I get are from ministers, from pastors. They write me
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  Speaker 1: and they say, Don, you're just beating your head against
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  Speaker 1: the wall. Ever since you formed your ministry in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: seventy four, things have gotten worse and worse and worse
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  Speaker 1: and worse. The movies have gotten worse, the televisions gotten worse,
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  Speaker 1: and that's what you're staying. He said, you're losing. You're
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  Speaker 1: not winning. And don said, write every one, I'm a
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  Speaker 1: litter and say God did. God didn't call me to win,
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  Speaker 1: He called me to stand. We will win when Jesus.
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  Speaker 2: Christ trench see that. That's the difference, isn't it is
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  Speaker 2: that you know, you mentioned earlier that you come from
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  Speaker 2: an you came from an a millennial perspective where before
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  Speaker 2: long ago. But their view oftentimes is well, we're or
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  Speaker 2: maybe a post millennial view, We're going to win the
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  Speaker 2: world through the power of the church to give glory
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  Speaker 2: to God and then Jesus will come back when the
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  Speaker 2: church does its job. And you're like, I don't see
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  Speaker 2: that in scripture. No, but we're are we passed the
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  Speaker 2: point of no return.
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  Speaker 1: I think so. I believe that personally, and that's not
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  Speaker 1: a popular view. I'm talking about as a nation.
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  Speaker 2: As a nation, there's always for the individual. Oh yes,
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  Speaker 2: a big distinction.
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  Speaker 1: And I urge churches not to please the world, but
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  Speaker 1: to please God and preach his word. Today we have
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  Speaker 1: churches that have leopard theology as this is a concept
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  Speaker 1: that kriswal of First Baptist Church preached all the time.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Most Christian churches have leopard theology, and what he meant
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: by that is they believe the Bible is inspired in spots,
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  Speaker 1: and they know which spots for spots they don't agree with.
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  Speaker 1: That's not inspired. We've got to take this Bible is
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  Speaker 1: inspired from beginning to end as the guide for everything
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  Speaker 1: we do in this life. And I'll tell you what,
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  Speaker 1: if we do that, we'll be able to stand.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I always called it the buffet religion where they
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  Speaker 2: come up and they're like, well, I'll take a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want that.
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  Speaker 2: I'll take a little bit of that. They can choose,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, and we know that, Hey, sometimes you know,
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  Speaker 2: you got to eat your broccoli, You got to eat
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  Speaker 2: your vegetables. You can't just go to the dessert table
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  Speaker 2: and get what you want to hear, right, you know
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  Speaker 2: it's like oh dessert. Yeah, absolutely, you know, as we
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: kind of wrap it up, Jesus said Luke nineteen thirteen,
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  Speaker 2: to occupy until he comes. Yes, what does that mean?
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  Speaker 1: Well? C. S. Lewis once said that we need to
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  Speaker 1: live life as if we were commandos operating behind the
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  Speaker 1: enemy lines, preparing the way for the coming of the commander.
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  Speaker 1: In Chief. We stand for righteousness, we stand for God's word.
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  Speaker 1: We stand we have a world now that's saying good
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  Speaker 1: is bad and bad is good, and that's what was
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  Speaker 1: going on in Judah back in those days. And we've
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: got to stand for what is right. Most courageous people
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  Speaker 1: of America are the people who are standing for what
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  Speaker 1: God says, because we have become targets of.
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  Speaker 2: The censorship, the censorship, the ostracization.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I call for courage in the church.
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  Speaker 2: And to stand strong and preaching.
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  Speaker 1: Let me say that I greatly respect this ministry because
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  Speaker 1: this is a ministry that is standing for God, that's
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: standing for his word, that's not compromising, and a ministry
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  Speaker 1: that is salt and light. And I compliment you on
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  Speaker 1: that and pray you'll continue to speak out.
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  Speaker 2: Amen. I mean we we If we get.
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  Speaker 1: Kicked off of internet, you get you just keep old preaching.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, that's all we can do it. And you know
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  Speaker 2: we're here to That's why I brought up early. We're
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: here to speak the truth and love. I mean, we're
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: not promoting violence. As much as somebody might call us
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  Speaker 2: hate this or hate we're hate speeching. We're not We're
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  Speaker 2: promoting the truth of God with love. Speak the truth
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  Speaker 2: and love. But as we do that, I think we
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  Speaker 2: you and I both we recognize on that day we're
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  Speaker 2: looking for well done Thou good and faith are we
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: going to remain faithful to God's message? Again, this is
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: people get mad. Sometimes they go, hey, I didn't write
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: the book, you know what, take it up with God.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just a messenger. But the goal of a messenger
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  Speaker 2: is to be faithful to the message and the one
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  Speaker 2: that wrote it.
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  Speaker 1: One of the problems we as Christians have is that
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  Speaker 1: when I was growing up, tolerance meant you just tolerated
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: somebody that you didn't agree with. That is the meaning
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: of tolerance today. Tolerance today you must endorse them and
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: not simply put up with them. And if you don't
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: endorse them, you're intolerant.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's no uh, we can agree to disagree agreeably.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Oh no, that's not People don't see that anymore. It's
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: like if you don't turn around and just oh okay,
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: well we'll sit that, we'll be on our merry way.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Oh no, if you don't embrace the radical thinking, then
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, as you said, it's been
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: turned upside down that were we become the haters and
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: the intolerant ones because of our bigoted religion.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: That's right. There's going to be increasing persecution as a
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: result of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So final, So here, final words for the audience.
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  Speaker 2: You know they've kind of heard. There's not a lot
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: of hope for America as a nation because of the decisions.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, but for individuals, yes, Or urge you to put
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  Speaker 1: your faith in Jesus as your Lord and savior. He
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  Speaker 1: died on the cross for your sins to make it
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  Speaker 1: possible for you to be reconciled to God. Put your
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  Speaker 1: faith in him, receive the indwelling spirit power of the
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  Speaker 1: Holy Spirit. You will be able to stand in this
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  Speaker 1: terrible time. You will be a candidate for the rapture
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: of the Church be taken out before that great period
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: of tribulation begins, and you will be in heaven with
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: the Lord. Oh boy, what a great blessing that is.
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  Speaker 1: You'll come back and reign for Him with him for
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: a thousand years on this earth and see this earth
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  Speaker 1: flooded with peace, righteousness, and justice. And then you will
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  Speaker 1: be taken to a new Earth where you will live
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  Speaker 1: in your glorified body and a new Jerusalem and the
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  Speaker 1: presence of God forever and ever. What more could you
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: ask for? Well?
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  Speaker 2: Why gain? Why gain? The whole world will lose your soul.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: That's it, Jesus, that's the summary. I think that's exactly
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: when it all comes down. I think, uh, you know again,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: a world that is temporary, only get eighty years, but
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: you can have an eternity living with the Lord in
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: paradise and wonderful. Well, America's Suicide, you know, if you
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  Speaker 2: if you're listening today, doctor David Reagan, A great book
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: kind of gives a history of our greatness, of the
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: blessing that God did, but also the rebellion that that
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: we've done, and also the destiny and as you as
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: you have on the America's Suicide, this is what we've sadly,
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  Speaker 2: we as a collective nation, have chosen to rebel against God.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, well, thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you Doctor Reagan, and thank you guys for listening today. Again,
• 47:35
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