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Untangle the Webs of Justice · Yo Gavel Gavel! - Court TV Commentary

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  Speaker 1: This is a Bramble Jam podcast.
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  Speaker 2: This week on your gabble gabble. If you cheat on
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  Speaker 3: If you steal an angel statue from your landlord's house,
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  Speaker 1: Sue you for it? Judge Alex tells us real people
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  Speaker 2: The Chambers chambers with our gavels and it's very exciting.
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  Speaker 2: Two hopefully good cases for you today. It's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: a lot of fun. Dan for the people who are
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  Speaker 2: maybe listening for the first time, explain a show off.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we love TV court shows.
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  Speaker 2: We do. The mathis the Jew, the Jerry, all the
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  Speaker 2: other ones. And so what I do is I watch
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  Speaker 2: one case of a TV court show and I explained
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  Speaker 2: it to Brand. He trusts against the verdict. Brand does
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  Speaker 2: the same thing. I try to guess the verdict and
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  Speaker 2: we all have a blast doing it. Yes, we have
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  Speaker 2: a new review.
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  Speaker 1: We do. Yes, let's hear it.
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  Speaker 3: This is from jesse M that said read like the
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  Speaker 3: intro courtroom drama.
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  Speaker 2: This weekly podcast called Yo Gavel Gavel has Dan watching
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  Speaker 2: a ridiculous courtroom drama.
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  Speaker 3: Will Brand guess the verdict? Will justice prevail? A judge
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  Speaker 3: tells us probably not. On the other side, Brand watches
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  Speaker 3: the courtroom drama.
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  Speaker 2: We know that Justin is not a four in concept,
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  Speaker 2: but does it exist in these courtrooms? Will Dan be
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  Speaker 2: able to predict what happens? A judge tells us not
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  Speaker 2: with my crazy resolutions, real people, real cases, fake.
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  Speaker 1: Justice is yobble and you should listen. Thank you jesse M.
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  Speaker 2: For that sounded like a no that a I wrote
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  Speaker 2: a little this this thing. I don't think so, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. I think I think Jesse I worked really hard.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of just read the review. Did I went
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  Speaker 2: to an old favorite of ours, friend of the Judge Alex.
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  Speaker 3: I was under the impression that we somehow had seen
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  Speaker 3: all of the Judge Alex cases that are on YouTube,
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  Speaker 3: because there's not a lot a lot of them. There's
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  Speaker 3: not a lot of them.
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  Speaker 2: Found one, and he hasn't been on TV for over
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  Speaker 2: a decade, but I found one relevant. I found one,
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  Speaker 2: and uh, it's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: I want to introduce you to Katie Johnson.
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  Speaker 2: Who is suing Willie Ross Willy Willie Ross for twenty
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  Speaker 2: three hundred dollars which is the cost of an angel
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  Speaker 2: statue and missed rent. And Willie Ross is counter suing
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  Speaker 2: for fifty dollars for laundromat fees.
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  Speaker 1: Are you ready? I love it already. Ross is awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Katie lived in her house for fifteen years, but she
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  Speaker 3: decided that she maybe need a little help financially, and
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  Speaker 3: so she decides that it's going to make the most
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  Speaker 3: sense to lease her home out.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know where she goes to live, and it
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  Speaker 2: only makes sense if you have somewhere else to live.
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  Speaker 2: Ryes okay, but she she must because she leaves, and
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  Speaker 2: she is contacted. She hears word from a neighbor that
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  Speaker 2: they know someone named Willie Ross who may be interested
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  Speaker 2: in his house, and at first she says no because
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  Speaker 2: she's heard stories about Willy Ross that aren't super great.
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  Speaker 1: Willie Ross says that's not true. He doesn't even know
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  Speaker 1: the stories yet.
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  Speaker 2: Willie Ross says, I haven't done anything negative in my life.
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  Speaker 1: What a move. That's when you know someone's lying when
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  Speaker 1: they say something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Willie Ross has never done anything negative in his entire life.
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  Speaker 1: Ultimately, she decides to let him move in.
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  Speaker 3: He pays the five hundred dollars security posit and first
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  Speaker 3: and last month's rents. A few months ago by and
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  Speaker 3: she shows up and notices that.
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  Speaker 1: From her lawn the angel statue that she holds near
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  Speaker 1: and dear to her is missing.
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  Speaker 3: Oh boy, she's had this angel statue for five years
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  Speaker 3: and it is now missing. Willie says the angel was outside.
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  Speaker 3: Anyone could take its.
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  Speaker 1: True.
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  Speaker 3: Judge Alex asks if he took it, and Willie says, no,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't take it. I'm not into stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: If it was a gold chain, yeah, I take it.
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  Speaker 3: He says he's never done anything negative in his life?
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean? Judge Alex says that he's like,
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  Speaker 1: I thought, you don't do anything. He's like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what to tell you. Gold chain but an angel?
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  Speaker 3: No, why would I take a statue that you could
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  Speaker 3: easily buy for thirty nine ninety nine a Walmart?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Why does anybody still does? Alex asked if Katie has
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  Speaker 3: proof that he took it. She says, no, I don't
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  Speaker 3: have a proof that he took it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: He moves on to ask Willie why he left before
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  Speaker 2: his lease was up. He says that she has a
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  Speaker 2: nice looking house, and I thought it was going to
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  Speaker 2: be great. But it's kind of like go to a
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  Speaker 2: grocery store and buying a nice red apple. When you
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  Speaker 2: get home and take a bite into it and there's
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  Speaker 2: a warm except when you get that, you can go
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  Speaker 2: back to the grocery store and you can get another apple.
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  Speaker 1: Can't get another house? What a long way of saying
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  Speaker 1: the house was trashing?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Alex asks what the worm of the house is.
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  Speaker 3: To continue the analogy here, judge line of questions, Willie
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  Speaker 3: says everything air conditioning don't work.
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  Speaker 2: He don't work, and she promised him that it would work.
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  Speaker 2: And when I, you know, come in, it's cold. I
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  Speaker 2: got to sleep in my pants on. My girlfriend comes
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  Speaker 2: over asks me why you still get your pants on?
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, it's cold? What a what a life?
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  Speaker 3: Judge Alex asks Judge house As why why'd you move
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  Speaker 3: out in March when it was starting to warm up.
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  Speaker 3: That's right, it would be a perfect time for you
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  Speaker 3: not to have Willy says, I had an opportunity to
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  Speaker 3: get the heck out of here, and I took it.
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  Speaker 2: Alex asks about the washer and dryer situation. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if you remember this. He soon for fifty dollars
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  Speaker 2: for Launders laundromat feed and he says that she told
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  Speaker 2: him that the washer and dryer were included in the lease.
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  Speaker 3: A month. A month later, she shows up and she
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  Speaker 3: takes it. Katie says that Willie Ross broke my washing machine,
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  Speaker 3: so she didn't show take it. She showed up because
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  Speaker 3: it was britty. Well, she did show up to take it.
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  Speaker 3: She actually sold the washer dryer, and then when she
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  Speaker 3: showed up, she realized that's will Ross that she show
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  Speaker 3: She shows up and she realizes that the washer's broken. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: and she says that the Washington dryer weren't a part
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  Speaker 3: of the lease. Alex says, well, if I move in
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  Speaker 3: someone there's an appliance, I assume that I could use it.
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  Speaker 3: Willie says, I didn't break anything. She calls me one
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  Speaker 3: day and she says that someone bought the Washington dryer.
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  Speaker 3: I'm coming over. Uh, she says, I did try to
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  Speaker 3: sell it, but you broke it. I couldn't sell it.
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  Speaker 3: And I told him that when he when he moved in,
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  Speaker 3: the Washington dryer were like an added bonus, but not
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  Speaker 3: something that he should rely on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like having another apple.
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  Speaker 2: Willie Ross says, no, it was a part of the deal.
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  Speaker 2: Do we have any paperwork not about this now? Katie says,
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  Speaker 2: did did we? Uh judge Alex, did we not swear
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  Speaker 2: to tell the truth? Of about the truth? He says,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I hope. So she says, Willie Ross, you
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  Speaker 2: need to tell the truth. Willie Ross says.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the deal. Are they all calling him Willy Ross
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  Speaker 1: the whole time? No? She does, I just like to
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  Speaker 1: where that.
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  Speaker 2: Willie Ross says, uh, sorry, sorry, sorry, So, uh you
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  Speaker 2: got to start telling the truth.
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  Speaker 1: Willie Ross says, here's the deal. In the ceiling, there was.
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  Speaker 2: Raccoons and squirrels. It's like a WWF wrestling matchup in there,
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  Speaker 2: it is, she tells. She tells, you know, for the record,
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  Speaker 2: it was definitely ww at the time of the recording.
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  Speaker 2: She tells him that she's gonna send somebody to fix it.
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  Speaker 2: She sends her son, who sprinkles some sort of fairy
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  Speaker 2: dust up there and didn't actually fix the vent where
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  Speaker 2: the critters were getting in. They keep getting in and
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  Speaker 2: then urine begins to seep through this.
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  Speaker 3: Joj Alex asks, are you telling me that all of
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  Speaker 3: the critters were peeing the same exact spot and it
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  Speaker 3: was beginning to leak through to the ceiling, and he says, yes,
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  Speaker 3: that is what.
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  Speaker 2: Does she acknowledge that the that the climate the HVAC
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  Speaker 2: doesn't work.
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  Speaker 3: She doesn't address that, okay, She does say that there
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  Speaker 3: were indeed critters, Yes, okay. Alex asks if they ever
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  Speaker 3: got into the house, and Willie says, this is the
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  Speaker 3: next part. He goes out one Willie Ross goes out
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  Speaker 3: one night and comes back home. He goes to bed,
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  Speaker 3: he wakes up and uh, he looks and he's like,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't bring anyone home last night.
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  Speaker 1: This raccoon is looking at me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking at the raccoon and I say to myself,
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  Speaker 2: it's time to get the heck out of here.
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  Speaker 1: Alex says, the raccoon was in bed with you. You
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  Speaker 1: switched from raccoon to raccoons. I'm gonna.
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  Speaker 2: Just some background as to why you switched, because I
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  Speaker 2: realized I was saying it improperly and I wanted to
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  Speaker 2: correct myself. You think raccoon is correct, raccoon is wrong.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly right, Alex says. The raccoon was in bed
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  Speaker 2: with you. He says, the foot of the bed. And
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  Speaker 2: you know what, these animals violate her own deed restriction,
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  Speaker 2: and that is something that he has in court, her
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  Speaker 2: deed restriction.
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  Speaker 1: Pets.
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  Speaker 3: Willie hands Alex to deed and Willie says, I'm fine
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  Speaker 3: bringing a girl home, but a raccoon.
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  Speaker 2: She had a whole pett and zoo up in that attic,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't know. I thought it was written a house,
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  Speaker 2: not a petting zoo. Because I can't express how wonderful
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  Speaker 2: Willie Ross is.
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  Speaker 3: He's amazing and would recommend washing this case.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: The deed restriction states that you cannot raise or breed
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  Speaker 2: any exotic animals that.
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  Speaker 1: Has nothing to do with Alex says, Alex is, so
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  Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think she was raising or
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  Speaker 1: breeding them.
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  Speaker 2: Willy says no, but she was letting them stay there,
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  Speaker 2: basically raising them.
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  Speaker 3: I let her know that, she let him. I let
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  Speaker 3: him know that she was up there, and uh, she
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  Speaker 3: didn't do anything about it. They raise it. She's raising
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  Speaker 3: all right, raising the critis sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Alex says, she's clearly Willie Ross, she's clearly.
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  Speaker 3: Not intentionally doing ras uh raccoons. Katie says, I did
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  Speaker 3: all that I could. He contacts me in January. I
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  Speaker 3: send my son over right away. Uh, and he put
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  Speaker 3: down the critter begone. That's the power.
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  Speaker 2: And uh. I contacted my contractor and he was tied
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  Speaker 2: up at the time, but he was going to come
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  Speaker 2: when his time freed up. Willie says, he's a shade tree.
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  Speaker 2: He's a shade tree judge. Alex says, huh, he's a
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  Speaker 2: what Willie says, Well, you know someone who says like
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: says that you know what you what they know, and
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  Speaker 2: then they don't actually do what they say They're gonna
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  Speaker 2: classic shade tree situation. Did you know that phrase? Okay,
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  Speaker 2: Katy says, I don't know what he's talking about. He's
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  Speaker 2: a reliable contractor and he was going to come ass
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  Speaker 2: a no, no, I won't stand for it.
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  Speaker 1: Uh. She gives Alex racoon under the shade tree. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Uh okay.
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  Speaker 2: So Katie gives Alex a stack of photos and we're like, great,
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  Speaker 2: this is going to be what we need.
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  Speaker 3: This is going to show that she like try. Every
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  Speaker 3: picture is about the statue.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: One picture is of the statue. One picture is the
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  Speaker 3: grass no statue. Another picture is the hole where the
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  Speaker 3: statue was close up.
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  Speaker 2: The fourth picture is another picture of the whole further away.
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  Speaker 1: Good gosh.
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  Speaker 2: Alex asks Willie if he has pictures of the urine
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  Speaker 2: stained ceiling. Willie says, I didn't think it would go
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  Speaker 2: this far, so no, I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Alex asked Katie about the rent money that she's suing for.
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  Speaker 3: She explains that she put the last month rent that
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  Speaker 3: he gave her towards the month of March. She is
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  Speaker 3: suing for all of April in part of May because
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  Speaker 3: in mid May she decides that she's going to sell
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  Speaker 3: the house and so she's not going to make him
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  Speaker 3: pay for she decided to do that. Alex says, well,
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  Speaker 3: did you try to rent the place out after he leaves?
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  Speaker 3: And she said, I put a sign in the window,
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  Speaker 3: and he said, so that everybody who lives in your
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  Speaker 3: neighborhood who already has a house knows that there's also
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  Speaker 3: a house for.
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  Speaker 1: Rent still something and she can tell somebody, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And she says, well, that's how I did it the
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  Speaker 3: first time, and will got a hold of me. She
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  Speaker 3: considered advertising it more, but by the time she got
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  Speaker 3: around to that, she decided that she was just going
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  Speaker 3: to sell it. Took a little while to get the
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  Speaker 3: house back into order.
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  Speaker 2: Judge Alex is ready to rule. It's a tough one
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  Speaker 2: because there's no documentation anywhere. The fact that she brought
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  Speaker 2: in pictures of a statue doesn't help her case.
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  Speaker 1: But he's very concerned about this. He's very much lying.
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  Speaker 1: Willie Ross is very much lying.
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  Speaker 2: Like to make up that all the urine pulled to
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  Speaker 2: one place in the house is that's so much urine,
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  Speaker 2: that's that's like I would ask for.
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  Speaker 3: You not to disparage the name of Willie Ross.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: How much is it he's not getting fifty dollars, that's hysterical.
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  Speaker 3: She's saying for twenty three hundred dollars, which is the
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  Speaker 3: angel statue and the rent that he didn't pay, not
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  Speaker 3: the angel.
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  Speaker 2: She's not getting the angel statue. She should get the rent.
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  Speaker 2: I believe that the rent was nine hundred a month.
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  Speaker 2: It's nine hundred plus half nine hundred thirteen and then
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  Speaker 2: the statue.
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  Speaker 1: Thirteen to fifty is the ruling.
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  Speaker 3: H Alex says he didn't bring any pictures of the damages,
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  Speaker 3: and so I think the security posit probably would have
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  Speaker 3: covered any damages that Willie Ross had, So I'm not
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  Speaker 3: going to give you that. As for the rent, the
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  Speaker 3: sign in the window does not show me that you
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  Speaker 3: are trying to find another their tenant with a reasonable attempt.
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  Speaker 3: You used last month's rent as you were supposed to.
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  Speaker 3: If you were actively trying to find a replacement tenant,
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  Speaker 3: you would have had a case. But since she did not,
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  Speaker 3: you do not have a case. No money for you.
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  Speaker 3: As for the counterclaim, you did not show me, at
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  Speaker 3: least that says the Washington Driver or a part of it.
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  Speaker 2: You do not get your fifty dollars. No money for anybody,
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  Speaker 2: dude that she got rats, but justice for Willy Ross
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  Speaker 2: is done.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you. That's that's tough.
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  Speaker 1: This this is a.
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  Speaker 2: He and she did try to rent it. I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 2: Like that's put a sign on the window. Yeah all right,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know this. It's tough because I understand what
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  Speaker 2: he's saying that that, like a sign of the yard.
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  Speaker 1: Is maybe better than a sign of the window.
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  Speaker 3: Like you really have to be looking for it. You
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  Speaker 3: really have to be looking for the sign of the window.
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  Speaker 3: And so like a neighbor looked across the tree, it
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  Speaker 3: was like, oh, sign on the window, Willie Ross.
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  Speaker 1: Willy Ross.
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  Speaker 2: But how many other Willy Ross's are there out there?
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  Speaker 2: So there's only one Willie Ross.
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  Speaker 1: I know that much. Who do you have?
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  Speaker 2: I got Judge Mathis, the old, tried and true Judge Masses.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know his first name. Don't know it?
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  Speaker 1: Greg?
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  Speaker 2: Is it Greg Mathis? Can't be Greg. It's Greg Mathis.
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  Speaker 2: I'll look it up. There's gonna look it up, Gary Christensen.
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  Speaker 2: This is I thought she's gonna have it on the
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  Speaker 2: first is rag I was right talking about boy Greg
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  Speaker 2: Mathis shout out, shout out, like he's an assistant coach
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  Speaker 2: of a basketball team. Uh. Gary Christensen is suing his
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  Speaker 2: ex girlfriend Sandra Jordan for four thousand, ninety two dollars
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  Speaker 2: for furniture, a security deposit, and rent. Sandra is countersuing
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  Speaker 2: for twenty fifty dollars for rent and emotional distress.
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  Speaker 3: He blow through all of the Star Wars money already,
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  Speaker 3: all of it.
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  Speaker 1: It's gone.
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  Speaker 2: See you, uh Gary says, all right, First of all,
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: you need to know a couple of things here. This
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  Speaker 2: takes place in the deep deep seeds of Wisconsin. Like
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  Speaker 2: they both of these folks are from uh my wife's
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  Speaker 2: grandfather's hometown, which I've been to, walk Shaw, Wisconsin, walk
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  Speaker 2: a Shaw. These are very Midwestern folk, and he appears
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  Speaker 2: to be and it could be just the Midwest. It's
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  Speaker 2: gotten the best of them. He appears to be fifteen
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  Speaker 2: years older than her.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: Oh interesting, Okay, so it's Hayden Christensen and who else.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: It's Hayden Christensen and Sandy b It's Gary Christensen and
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Sandy je Yes, he says, Sandy calls her Sandy. Sandy
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: and I had in a community college where we were
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: taking a class. We click, you have community, you have.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: The truck quickly became pals and friends and study pals,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: and within two months we got intimate, had an affair,
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: fell in love. Matthis is like two months and he said, yeah,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: we just had in common that we were both in
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: troubled marriages. Oh yeah, and so we decided to secure
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: an apartment in June and on jen Adults Community College. Yeah,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, come on, Ben to diagrams one circle. She
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: He's like, so we secured an apartment in June one,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: and she moved in on June one, and Massacos secured
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: an apartment and he goes like, I put up the
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: security department deposit and first month's rent, but the apartment
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: was in both of our names. I just put up
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: the first fourteen hundred dollars. He got an apartment, a
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: shared apartment. So she moved in June one. She thought
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: he was going to move in with her June one
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: because they were both trying to dissolve their marriage. He said,
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: I can't move in until later. I'm still working some
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: stuff out in my marriage. I want to be above
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: board about this, and he decided to. He said he
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: was going to move in towards the end of August.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: What it seems like is he saw this as a
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: love shack, and she saw this as the next chapter
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: of her life. Wait for it, Okay, he says, Sandy,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: I would guess was he said, I started guessing that
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Sandy was now cheating on me, So they're cheating on
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: their spouses and he now thinks Sandy, he said, she
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: told me it was just her girlfriends from school. But
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: on July fifth, I went through her phone and her
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: text messages and and I found out, forbid, your mistress
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: cheats Hunt, That's right. I found out she was texting
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: a guy and they were definitely more than just friends.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Wasn't her husband? Matthis is like, what type of things
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: was she texted? And he was like, oh, they were
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: seeing each other, having dinner together. They were meeting and
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: he was like that could have been all above board.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: That could they could have been playing cards. It was
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: classic matthis And he was like, well, it wasn't all
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: above board, your honor.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Because I texted this.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: I texted this guy and we're like, are you seeing
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Sandy Jones? And he said he didn't respond to me,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: and then two days later Sandy broke up with me.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: So so how far into the lease is a month
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: and a half?
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Ah that's things.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: That's tough, Sanders, like your honor. This man has lied
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: to me the entire time we were together. When I
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: first met him, Yes, we both technically were married, but
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: we were in trouble ma and we were both on
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: our way out in the separation process.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: So did we have an affair?
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, technical we have an affair, and yeah, she said,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: I knew that I needed to get out and stop
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: living with my ex husband. It wasn't a good situation.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: And I thought he was on the same page with
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: his ex wife. And so we found this place together
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: and we did get to know each other a lot,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: and we found a lot of a lot that we
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: had a lot in common. At this point, matthatis Bailiff goes, yeah, adultery,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: just like without missing a beat, says yeah, adults, Ah.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: The common denominator of adults.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: That's right, And she's like, but he Gary did admit
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: that he was separating from his wife, and so he
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: bought me an engagement ring in April, before we had
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: the apartment. He bought me an engagement ring. We were serious.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Hold on, Yes, he they got an apartment after knowing
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: each other for two months after Uh, isn't that what
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: you said. After two months, within two months, we got intimate, okay, yeah, yeah,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: and we fell in love okay, intimate, had an affair,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: fell in love in two months, okay, not got an
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: apartment after two months. Was making sure I had the
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: write notes there. So she's like, he had an engagement
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: ring for me. I believed that he was the one
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: and we were both going to divorce our current spouses
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: and we were going to get this apartment, and we
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: were gonna get married, and we were going to start
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: a family.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Like these are the words that she uses, Like that's
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: what she says.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: He's the one that yeah, that's right, the deuce the
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: second one. And she's like, and here's the thing you're
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: on her, Like, my ex husband knew about Gary, like
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: I told him about Gary. He knew we were divorcing,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: he knew I'd met someone. This to me, wasn't cheating,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: aside from legally it was cheating. Like she was like
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: very above bored about that, and he's like, but I
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: found out that Gary's wife had no knowledge he was.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Seeing me at all.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: We had plans to get married Gary, have kids, get
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: a place, moving together. Then I found out we get
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: the apartment, and no one in Gary's family knows about me.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: I was ready to be public. Gary was trying to
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: hide me away. He put me on the back burner,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: and so we were pretty much broken up by the
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: time I met this guy in July and cheated on it.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: That's her story. Gary's like your honor. I told people.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: He doesn't get me these specifics they told people, But
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: he's Matthis is like, tell me about fourteen hundred. Tell
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: me about the furniture. He's like. I bought furniture, all
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: new furniture for the apartment. We were going to live
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: there together. That's where we were going to live. And
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: she got an eviction notice when she wasn't paying the
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: rent in November, after we had broken up, and she
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: texted me that she was moving out and I could
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: come pick up the furniture. I went to the apartment
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: to pick up the furniture and there was none of
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: the furniture there. The only thing that was there was
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: an old couch from a thrift store and a broken TV.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: So I filed the police report, saying he's like your honor.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: When we signed the lease agreement, we were each going
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: to pay half for the furniture, and we were going
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: to split the rent. I paid for half the furniture.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: He goes, well, where's the furniture now? She goes, I
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: started moving out November first. He paid his half. In
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: October he was paying his half. I could no longer
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: afford to pay my half of the rent because I
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: just had I just I don't remember why. She just
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: said she couldn't do it. And she was like, and
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: I was told that I was going to get evicted,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: and so I moved out before I could get evicted
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: in November. So she she was like, I told the
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: landlord I was going to leave all his furniture here,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: and I did leave it, aside from the bed, which
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I took to my new place, because I paid for
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: half the furniture. Gary's like, you're honor. I have a
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: police report here, and it says the furniture was not there.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Matthis reads from the police report. Upon asking if her
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: if she planned on giving her furniture or payments, she
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: said she would make payments for it. Oh, yes, that's
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: in the police report. Yes, Oh not looking go for
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Sanders said, I did say that because I paid for
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: half of the furniture and I told him that I
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: would pay him for the rest of the bed.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I told him that, and I did that. That's what
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: she said.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: She goes, not furniture, bed, Matthis says uh. This says uh,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: you know Jordan.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: He continues to read the police report and it says
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Jordan confirmed she was in possession of the furniture. He goes,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: that doesn't say bed. That says furniture. It doesn't say bed,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: it says furniture. Gary's like, listen, Sandy wouldn't let me
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: move in. Later in the sun like He's like, Mathis goes,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: why do you need to rent back?
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: What happened here?
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: He's like, I still intended to move in in August
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: and for us to give this thing a go, but
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: she had decided to move on and she did not
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: let me move into this apartment. She literally wouldn't let
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: me move in, and so all all my half of
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: the money I never got to live in the place
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: that I half purchased.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: To live in.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Matthis is like, you wouldn't let him move in. Sandy's like, no,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't let him move in. We were already broken
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: up at that point, and Gary was like, no, we hadn't.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Gary has text messages on his phone, and he said,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: not only do I have text messages saying she'll pay
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: for the furniture your honor, I also have text messages
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: that says she took the furniture so she would have
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: an excuse to still talk to me. Matthis reads the
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: text messages, and sure enough it not only says, yes,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I have the furniture, but also I took it so
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: that you will have to still talk to me.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: That is what Sandy has said to Terry.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: I started, Sandy, we believe women, but you are really
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: this is tough, son, Sandy j This is tough. Uh.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: She said, Look, he promised me we were gonna get married.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Then he didn't move in with me, and then he
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: stalked me for six months and he hid me from
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: his family, and I was angry.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Matthews is ready to rule. I think she's gonna she's
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: gonna have to pay What.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Was that countersued for emotional distress twenty fifty dollars?
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: No, No, absolutely, what he's doing.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: He's suing four thousand, ninety two dollars furniture and the
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: rent that he paid and did not get reimbursed. Oh.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Man, Well, I think she's definitely gonna have to pay
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: for the furniture.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: I think that's tough. I didn't take the furniture. I
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: took the furniture, so you'll still talk to me. So
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: at least she's getting what she wants. There, they are talking,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: they are that's good.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's tough. I would like more proof.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Of his intention to move into set apartment, Like if
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: your name is on lease, they're both on the lease. Yes,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: if both names are on the least and technically like
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: he should be, you would think be able to move it.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know all that's murky to me, but I'm
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: gonna give him all of the money. Matthis is going
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: to give him all the money and said, basically says
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: miss Jones, like, Miss Jordan, excuse me. At every turn,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: it feels as though you've lied to me. I have
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: no reason to believe. He has given me receipts, he's
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: given me a police report, and he's given me texts.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: There's enough here for me to assume that all of
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: this belongs to him, and so he gives it all
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: to her. And I gotta be honest, Gary, seems like
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: a little bit of an a hole.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pretty sure he was right to.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Get this money based upon the evidence given to the court.
• 27:24
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