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Aftermath for Mets & Blue Jays after Bo Bichette/Kyle Tucker deals · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Gottaway.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, it's Draftneck. Mark joining us right now, one of
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  Speaker 2: the star hosts of the metst Up Show and podcast.
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  Speaker 2: You can catch it YouTube or wherever you get your pods.
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  Speaker 2: Also can catch plenty of content from Mark all over
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  Speaker 2: YouTube and everywhere else. Mark, Happy birthday week to you
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  Speaker 2: and what's your happiness meter? After the past twenty four
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  Speaker 2: hours have transpired?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's been a crazy one shout out
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  Speaker 3: turn in thirty finally hit that milestone.
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  Speaker 4: But losing Kyle Tucker. I was like, great, love that
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  Speaker 4: great way to end the birthday.
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  Speaker 3: Wake up this morning, getting ready to talk about how
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  Speaker 3: Kyle Tucker hurt, and then Boba, Schet's a met out
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  Speaker 3: of absolutely nowhere.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't see that one coming, dude.
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  Speaker 1: Incredible.
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  Speaker 2: So I have been listening to almost every episode all
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  Speaker 2: off season long, and I remember, I think it was
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  Speaker 2: the previous episode. I know you guys did an emergency
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  Speaker 2: episode today, but the previous one was talking about the
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  Speaker 2: Tucker interest for the Mets, and you and James Shana
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  Speaker 2: were kind of split, right, you were trying to be
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  Speaker 2: a little more optimistic. James was like, nah, this I
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  Speaker 2: think he said, like this as Dodgers written all over it,
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  Speaker 2: and he nailed it. So take us through psychology there
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  Speaker 2: of why you guys thought that would go down and
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  Speaker 2: then how out of left field the Bobashett factor felt.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, with Kyle Tucker, I mean, I think I definitely
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  Speaker 3: I'm a METS homer.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a little.
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  Speaker 3: Biased, and I just I wanted to believe that Kyle
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  Speaker 3: Tucker was going to be a Met. He's just one
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  Speaker 3: of the twenty best hitters I think on the planet
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  Speaker 3: at the absolute worst. And the contract offer was so
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  Speaker 3: aggressive that I thought, again, similarly, SHOWE Steve Cohen.
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  Speaker 4: Where there's smoke, there's fire.
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  Speaker 3: But obviously he ended up picking the Dodgers, and I
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  Speaker 3: think we all kind of knew it was going to
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  Speaker 3: be the Dodgers. James just he's got to keep me
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  Speaker 3: level sometimes, which is why he had to check me
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  Speaker 3: there and make sure that everybody knows. We still thought
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  Speaker 3: it was gonna be them, So that one hurt. But
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  Speaker 3: he would have been a great fit. So the idea
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  Speaker 3: that like the Blue Jays were coming in, I never
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  Speaker 3: really fully bought that Tucker was going to be there.
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  Speaker 3: It did seem like it was for the Dodgers, that
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  Speaker 3: he kind of was at least pushing that the Mets
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  Speaker 3: were giving these offers, and then for Bashet this morning,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's just it's it's a lot of money.
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  Speaker 3: We've seen a crazy amount of money the last twelve
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  Speaker 3: to eighteen hours on the free agent market, between Tucker
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  Speaker 3: getting nearly sixty million a year, I know, there's Deferman,
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  Speaker 3: then Bobaschett going forty mili plus a year. I didn't
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  Speaker 3: expect him to get forty million a year, and I
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  Speaker 3: definitely didn't expect it with the Mets.
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  Speaker 4: But at the same time, I'm happy.
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  Speaker 3: I'm happy, Like the Mets desperately needed a right handed
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  Speaker 3: bat in this lineup. They're clearly making a choice that
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  Speaker 3: they want to get new people in, new players, putting
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  Speaker 3: them in different positions. A little bit worried about if
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  Speaker 3: he plays third base, how he looks there, but the
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  Speaker 3: bat's legit and adding that to the Mets lineup, that's
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  Speaker 3: never a bad thing.
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  Speaker 5: I asked Ken Rosenthal about an hour and a half ago,
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  Speaker 5: the same question. Is the Mets lineup better today than
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  Speaker 5: it was if they brought the exact same guys who
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  Speaker 5: they had last year at the end of the year.
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  Speaker 4: No, I don't think it is.
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  Speaker 3: I still think I would have preferred Pete A Lonzo
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  Speaker 3: over Bobaschett, and I think that's something that Mets fans
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  Speaker 3: are probably gonna struggle with in how you think about
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  Speaker 3: this team moving forward. The lineup offensively not better. I
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  Speaker 3: think defensively this team is better. I think that was
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  Speaker 3: one of their issues last year. I also think that
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna see guys step up this year, like I
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  Speaker 3: think Francisca Abraz at the end of the year showed
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  Speaker 3: that that bad is what we thought it could be
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  Speaker 3: and that will help this line up a lot. But
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  Speaker 3: I do would have preferred Pete A Lonzo over Bo.
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  Speaker 3: I think losing Nimo hurt. We still don't have two outfielders,
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  Speaker 3: like I trust Carson benj whenever he is ready, but
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  Speaker 3: you don't want to put that kind of pressure on
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  Speaker 3: the kid coming into opening Day.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, I think.
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  Speaker 3: They're still crazy enough to say a lot of holes
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  Speaker 3: in this team. But we're definitely better off now with
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  Speaker 3: Bobashit than we were without Mark.
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  Speaker 6: What about the other two guys that might be pushed
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  Speaker 6: out of the play in third base? We had twenty
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  Speaker 6: twenty four, it was Van Doo's's job and twenty twenty
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  Speaker 6: five it was Beaty's job. And now we have both
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  Speaker 6: of those guys still probably only can play third base,
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  Speaker 6: and now there's a third base. So what happens with
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  Speaker 6: those two guys do we conceivably see because hitting is
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  Speaker 6: a problem, do you see any world and where one
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  Speaker 6: or both because we know Endos can play first as
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  Speaker 6: well in badh and he's got a pretty good bat.
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  Speaker 6: Like where those guys get moved and maybe there's some
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  Speaker 6: big league ready pitching out there because pitching is a problem.
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  Speaker 6: What do you see happening with those two guys?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think to talk about Batty first. I
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  Speaker 3: think Ken said in one of his tweets or an
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  Speaker 3: article recently how Baty they might see playing a little
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  Speaker 3: bit first as well as his name was very active
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  Speaker 3: on the trade market. So I think that if Baty
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  Speaker 3: were to be moved, it's going to be for a
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  Speaker 3: starting pitcher. I don't know who that would be, but
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  Speaker 3: I think with the control and what he showed in
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  Speaker 3: the second half of the season, Baty's definitely got some
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  Speaker 3: value right now. But also that's why I think the
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  Speaker 3: Mets would want to keep him in the fact that
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  Speaker 3: he can play third, he can play second, maybe he
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  Speaker 3: can play a little first. And I know this is
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  Speaker 3: a pipe dream, but in the past he played even
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  Speaker 3: left field for a couple innings I think for the Mets,
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  Speaker 3: and they tried that out a few spring trainings to go.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe he takes over the Jeff McNeil role where he's
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  Speaker 3: more of a super utility man. But I do think
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  Speaker 3: that if the right starting pitcher is available and Brett
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  Speaker 3: Batty has to be on the trade to get that guy,
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  Speaker 3: seems like the Mets might be willing to do so.
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  Speaker 3: Now for Vientos, I'm not one hundred percent sure what
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  Speaker 3: they do with him. He's kind of just a first
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  Speaker 3: basement right now, more of a DH And while we
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  Speaker 3: saw the Heights in twenty twenty four, where he really
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  Speaker 3: was a huge reason why that team got out a run,
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty five was the complete opposite. He just wasn't
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  Speaker 3: the same hitter that we saw and expected. I don't
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  Speaker 3: think that the Mets should lose faith in Viento's but
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  Speaker 3: with the way that roster crunches work, with the way
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  Speaker 3: that options work, with the limited positional flexibility that vent has,
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  Speaker 3: Viento's has. I think it's tough to kind of imagine
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  Speaker 3: where he fits into this team, especially now with the
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  Speaker 3: addition of Bo. So maybe that's a trade, maybe that's
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  Speaker 3: trying to win a job out of spring training. But
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  Speaker 3: I think the Mets still have a ton of moves
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  Speaker 3: to make and those guys will definitely be a part
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  Speaker 3: of them.
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  Speaker 5: Two words I asked you about the lineup, but two
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  Speaker 5: words we keep hearing from the Mets, whether it's David
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  Speaker 5: Sterns or Nimo as he went out the door, run prevention.
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  Speaker 5: Are you at the point where you're like, I'm fine
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  Speaker 5: with it, I'm able to sit with my hands just folded,
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  Speaker 5: Or are you're gonna watch every game thinking about run
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  Speaker 5: prevention like I don't know what's gonna happen.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, I think it would be crazy for any
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  Speaker 3: Mets fans to think that, like Bobachhet's gonna come in
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  Speaker 3: and be a goal glove third basement. So then it
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  Speaker 3: comes to the conversation of how bad was Pete a
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  Speaker 3: Lonzo's defense firsut, what will Bobaschett's defense look like at third?
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  Speaker 3: And then how different will their bat be. That's gonna
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  Speaker 3: be the big thing that I think every met fan
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  Speaker 3: goes back and forth with this year. I think they
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  Speaker 3: did improve defensively, like Simon in that second base is
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  Speaker 3: a huge, huge boost, and I think they still are
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  Speaker 3: going to address the outfield defense at some point. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: hearing run prevention being as prominent of like talking point
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  Speaker 3: for David Setns this offseason, and then seeing some of
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  Speaker 3: the moves like Horey Polanco probably can play first base,
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  Speaker 3: but he's never really done it, so defense is still
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  Speaker 3: a question mark there. Bobachett's never played a professional inning,
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  Speaker 3: I think at third base, not even in the minor leagues.
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  Speaker 3: That's still a question marked there. That's that's one of
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  Speaker 3: those where Krats, I think you're right. I might be
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  Speaker 3: crossing my fingers a little bit more this year of like,
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  Speaker 3: I hope these guys work out these positions the bats, though,
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  Speaker 3: I trust it's the gloves now.
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  Speaker 5: One of the things that Scott said was Stevie Cohen
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  Speaker 5: woke up this morning and was like, crap, I didn't
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  Speaker 5: get Tucker. I'm going after Bo. My argument was, I
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  Speaker 5: don't think he slept last night. Do you think Stevie
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  Speaker 5: Cohen the way that he came into New York and
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  Speaker 5: is like, this is gonna be a winning team. I
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  Speaker 5: want to become the team of New York City. I
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  Speaker 5: want to be this like all the things that he said,
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  Speaker 5: do you think he is enjoying the way it is going?
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  Speaker 5: Based on the splash he made last year with Juan
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  Speaker 5: Soto and the fact that he trusted David Stearns' is
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  Speaker 5: pitching up until May sixteenth ish his pitching plan, do
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  Speaker 5: you think he enjoys the way it's going or do
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  Speaker 5: you think this move solidifies the fact that he's like, David,
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  Speaker 5: great job, get out of my way. We're getting bo
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  Speaker 5: because I cannot lose out on another guy.
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  Speaker 3: I'll be honest, I hope Steve Cohen's not happy with
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  Speaker 3: how it's going. That's still haven't done anything, So it
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  Speaker 3: would be be honestly awful if he was like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: this is going pretty well. I mean, I think we
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  Speaker 3: know he's pretty excited about the project that's gonna be
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  Speaker 3: going on Citney Field in the next coming years. That's
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  Speaker 3: probably a big thing that's helping him out. But for
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  Speaker 3: this Mets team, like I do think this was a
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  Speaker 3: bit of a move that was a.
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  Speaker 4: Little on tilt.
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  Speaker 3: Like I think he got a little frustrated with what
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  Speaker 3: happened with Tucker. The Mets seemingly gave a pretty good
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  Speaker 3: offer to him, maybe something that Steve Cohen thought nobody
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  Speaker 3: could beat. So it does feel a little bit like
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  Speaker 3: he kind of pushed the chips all in here and said,
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  Speaker 3: we have to go get this next guy.
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  Speaker 4: This is the guy I want.
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  Speaker 3: I know that it's been reported that the Mets had
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  Speaker 3: been talking about that this was the plan all along,
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  Speaker 3: that if they didn't get Tucker, they'd moved to Bischet,
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  Speaker 3: but we hadn't heard anything about it. So for me,
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  Speaker 3: from an outside perspective, I think that Cohen definitely got
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  Speaker 3: a little frustrated with what happened last night and they
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  Speaker 3: decided to put all their money and put their chips
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  Speaker 3: into Bobachett and hopefully more moves coming coming forward because
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  Speaker 3: this team still got again a lot of holes.
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  Speaker 6: I want to talk about pitching one more time. You know,
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  Speaker 6: we have six starting pitchers out here for in the
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  Speaker 6: depth chart, including you know, three of the real young
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  Speaker 6: guys and Jonah Toong Sprote and Noel MacLean, who file
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  Speaker 6: accounts should probably be the opening day starter, but the
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  Speaker 6: other two Jonah and Sprote two questions two parter. First,
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  Speaker 6: outside of those guys waiting in the wings, who's the
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  Speaker 6: next young guy prospect guy to come up and in
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  Speaker 6: the starting pitching category, And if it comes down to
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  Speaker 6: these six guys in spring we're competing for the fifth spot,
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  Speaker 6: do you think it's conceivable? Is this something that you
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  Speaker 6: see Stearn's doing or maybe getting some value out of
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  Speaker 6: say Jonah Tom's the sixth guy outside looking in, do
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  Speaker 6: we make a decision on maybe getting a long getting
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  Speaker 6: some long innings out of them, some more big league time,
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  Speaker 6: or possibly turning them into a back end guy because
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  Speaker 6: there's a lot of swing to miss here or is
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  Speaker 6: this going to be a wait and see because of
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  Speaker 6: the because of the wealth of the of the pitching,
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  Speaker 6: do you think anyone could be moving to the bullpen?
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  Speaker 7: Is what I'm trying to ask.
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  Speaker 3: Definitely, I think I think Sproton Tom could definitely be
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  Speaker 3: guys early on the season in the bullpen, especially because
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  Speaker 3: with Tong, we know that the fastball is great, the
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  Speaker 3: change up's awesome. We need to develop that third pitch.
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  Speaker 3: So until he gets a third pitch that's more consistent
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  Speaker 3: between the curveball and slider. I think bullpen long relief
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  Speaker 3: role is kind of what makes the most sense going
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  Speaker 3: into opening day this season. We're spread I think, like
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  Speaker 3: similar to what Stearns has done Milwaukee with guys like
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  Speaker 3: Burns and Peralta and Woodruff. They kind of all started
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  Speaker 3: in the bullpen until they got to a point where
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  Speaker 3: Sterns and the Brewers felt comfortable enough to put them
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  Speaker 3: into that rotation, and then they fill in pretty seamlessly.
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  Speaker 3: So I think, yeah, those guys will be good back
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  Speaker 3: in arms that can give us some length in the bullpen,
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  Speaker 3: and that's never a bad thing to have too, especially
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  Speaker 3: with how often the best starting pitching couldn't go deep
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  Speaker 3: last year.
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  Speaker 4: You don't want to necessarily.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be hard to expect Sean and
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  Speaker 3: I necessarily right out of spring training to be able
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  Speaker 3: to go six seven innings.
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  Speaker 4: Code I saying to those kind of guys.
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  Speaker 3: So to be able to have tongue and sprot in
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  Speaker 3: the bullpen to piggyback off of them if they do
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  Speaker 3: go shorter in and outing. I do love that flexibility,
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  Speaker 3: and I am still very excited to see what strides
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  Speaker 3: forward these guys make during in spring training because the
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  Speaker 3: last time we saw them was at the end of
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  Speaker 3: the season. So maybe Jonah Tong has developed that curve ball,
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  Speaker 3: that slider to become a third or even a fourth
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  Speaker 3: pitch now that he can use to help get out
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  Speaker 3: left hand batters and right handed batters, But.
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  Speaker 4: That will still be be determined.
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  Speaker 3: A guy that you mentioned, though, that's maybe a little
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  Speaker 3: bit slept down, a little under the radar in the system.
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  Speaker 3: We obviously have Christian Scott coming back from injury that
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  Speaker 3: I think is gonna be a big part of this
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  Speaker 3: team too down the stretch. But Jack Wendinger, he absolutely
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  Speaker 3: dominated the miners last year, had one of the highest
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  Speaker 3: ka walk ratios in all of Minor league baseball. I
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  Speaker 3: think because of all the big name young pitchers that
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  Speaker 3: the Mets had, he's been slept on a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: But you're starting to see him kind of float around
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  Speaker 3: that top one hundred prospect list, and twenty twenty six
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  Speaker 3: could be a big, big year for him if he
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  Speaker 3: keeps striking out batters like he has and limiting the walks.
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  Speaker 3: It's just it's hard not to get excited about a
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  Speaker 3: picture like that.
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  Speaker 5: Next move you see and next move that you want
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  Speaker 5: to make this. Yeah, that smile back on your birthday train,
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  Speaker 5: because old birthday cake is totally fine unless you left
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  Speaker 5: it out and it got stale. So we can't let
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  Speaker 5: the Mets get stale here. So the next move you
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  Speaker 5: see happening, and the next move you want to happen.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so I mean move I see happening. I think
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  Speaker 3: that it's gonna be Franbervaldez. I just it feels like
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  Speaker 3: Framber's been kind of on the Mets radar all off season,
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  Speaker 3: especially with they're gonna go that aggressive with the Bobashett contract.
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  Speaker 3: I would assume that they're gonna go that aggressive with
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  Speaker 3: Franbravaldez too, especially for the qualifying off for stuff. Now,
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  Speaker 3: I think that the Mets will definitely push in some
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  Speaker 3: of the chips on Frambur, and I think you'd be
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  Speaker 3: a great fit in this rotation. I would love to
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  Speaker 3: see them go out and trade for a Freddy Peralta
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  Speaker 3: or again, if you're asking my birthday dream, if Terrek
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  Speaker 3: Scoopble is ever available again, I would love to go
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  Speaker 3: after him. But I think that's I think that's an
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  Speaker 3: insane one to ask for. Freddy Peralta seems more realistic.
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  Speaker 3: That's someone who I'd love to see the Mets go after.
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  Speaker 3: I think they're gonna be focused on pitching and then
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  Speaker 3: maybe they address the outfield again.
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  Speaker 4: And the Cody Bellinger rumors have been so hot and cold.
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  Speaker 3: I can't I can't get a rid as a Met
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  Speaker 3: fan on anything going on this offseason, let alone what's
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  Speaker 3: going on with Cody Bellinger in the Mets interest. So
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  Speaker 3: maybe it's him, maybe it's on the trade market, maybe
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  Speaker 3: they really just believe in Carson Bench. But truthfully, for
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  Speaker 3: me to feel better and what I expect the Mets
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  Speaker 3: to do next, I do think it's gonna be on
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  Speaker 3: the starting pitching market.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's Framber.
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  Speaker 7: Valdez pecking order, and we need a pecking order.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, National League East pecking order today, January sixteenth, Lock
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  Speaker 5: it in, Mark.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna go Phillies one.
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  Speaker 3: Still, I think until the Mets win that division, the
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  Speaker 3: Phillies are still the best team, and you look at
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  Speaker 3: them top to bottom, they're good.
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  Speaker 4: I think the Mets are two.
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  Speaker 3: They were pretty close last year and it really took
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  Speaker 3: a spectacular, spectacular collapse at the end of the season
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  Speaker 3: to not make it into the playoffs.
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  Speaker 4: I think Braves are three.
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  Speaker 3: That team just had a weird season, and I would
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  Speaker 3: like to see them be healthy before I can feel
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  Speaker 3: confident about what's going on in Atlanta. Four Marlins, five Nationals.
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  Speaker 3: I think the Nationals are a clear tier even below
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  Speaker 3: the Marlins.
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  Speaker 5: Can you definitively say, because I got roasted by this
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  Speaker 5: secret like Twitter channel chat that doesn't allow outside met
• 13:53
  Speaker 5: fans in last year, can you definitively say, like I
• 13:56
  Speaker 5: tried to respond to them and they didn't let me respond.
• 13:58
  Speaker 7: I was like, we're visual, They weren't vicious. It was fine.
• 14:02
  Speaker 5: They just said stuff like your ball and you're fat,
• 14:05
  Speaker 5: you had a brutal career, all things that are very
• 14:07
  Speaker 5: very true and not that hurtful. But can you definitively
• 14:12
  Speaker 5: say the Mets today today without your franber Valdez and
• 14:16
  Speaker 5: Tarrek Scuble trade, are they better than the Braves?
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: I think so.
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: Something happened last year with the Braves where I like
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: a lot of the moves that they made. I don't
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: think the Braves are a bad team, but I also
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: was weirdly one of the guys last year very early
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: to it, where I was like, I don't think the
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: Braves are going to be necessarily.
• 14:35
  Speaker 4: As good as we expect them.
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: I had them missing the playoffs, I had them finishing
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: in third place last year. My predictions one of the
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: few things I did get right. But at the same time,
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: like that team's getting older. We saw some of the
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: Bats not be as strong as they were in previous years.
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: I think while there's definitely supposed to be some regression
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: backs to the mean positively for them, I also think
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: at times like this might just be the version of
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: the Braves. It is tough with that rotation. Spencer Schrider
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: was horrible. I don't think he's go to be that bad,
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: but you kind of have to see it till you
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: believe it. Chris Sale is getting a year older. There's
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: a lot of question marks there. I think them and
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: the Mets are very close. I think they're in terms
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: of talent and what their kind of goals are this year.
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: I think those teams can be interchangeable in that two
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: to three spot. But I do think that there is
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: a clear difference between the Mets, Braves and then the
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: Phillies at the top.
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: Mark completely off topic, happy birthday, but I have to
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: ask I haven't watched all the Mets up episodes, but
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: maybe you explained it is that a Jabbari Blash jersey
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: hanging up? How on earth do you have a Jabbari
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: Blash jersey? And how have I never seen it? And
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: is it only because of the number that's on there
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: that you have in hanging out?
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: I think that adds to it.
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: Jabari, I think knew what he was doing when he
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: was picking that number out in Japan. But to make
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: a long story short, Jabari Blash. When I first started
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: my YouTube journey, I was making MLB the Show videos
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: and one of the best videos that I made at
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: the time was using a lineup of common players, which
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: are the lowest rated guys in the game. I saw
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: Jabbar's name threw him into the lineup because it's an
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: awesome name, Jabari Blash, and in that video he performed
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: incredibly well. So from that moment, on any chance I
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: got on my channel, I used Jabari in a video
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: fast forward he gets moved from the A from the
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: Padres to the Yankees.
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: I'm a Yankee hater.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: That was like one of the worst days for me,
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: like ever on YouTube where my favorite random player ever
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: gets traded to the team that I hate. I make
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: a video reacting to it gets way more views than
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: it ever should have for a Jabari Blash reaction. Jabari
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: sees it, reaches out to me, We become friends, and
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: then we meet each other. He's one of the nicest
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: guys ever. Truly, like one of the reasons why I'm
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: still doing what I am today because a major league
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: baseball player reaching out and like, just show me love
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: and respect was really cool. And then when he moved
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: to Japan, he was like, Hey, I want to send
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: you a jersey, like I appreciate you, know what you've
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: done for me and making my life positive and all
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: this kind of stuff. So, uh yeah, Jabari my favorite
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: player ever, nicest guy I've ever met. Got to hang
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: up the jersey he sent me there without a doubt.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's some duo. Yeah that's cool right, yeah, crazy,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: But that's.
• 17:06
  Speaker 7: As and as he's a monster too.
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: If you've ever seen Jabari Blash in pursuit, I was
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: in camp with him one year and I was.
• 17:12
  Speaker 7: Like, Oh my gosh, how are you.
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: That's like that large of a person. He waffles baseballs.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: But I'll say this for Scott, Yes, giggity.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you stole my line. I'm not even kidding.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: I was waiting for it on the outro. Now I
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: don't even know what to say. I need my teleg
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: to change.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Uh gigh Mark, thanks man, you're the man. Happy birthday
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: and everyone check out messed up, which we're about to
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: show more about in a second.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: But appreciate you.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: Thank you, guys. It's go mets.
• 17:47
  Speaker 7: Hey.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Mike Wilner is back on the show and I'm sure
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: you'll get plenty from his pod. Uh, this will be
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: too deep left field with Mike Wilner. Mike, it is
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: great to have you back on the show, although maybe
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: not the greatest time.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Right now for Blue Jays.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: They should mostly be happy given results from last year
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: offseason in general. But have we reached the greedy point
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: with the fan base that expected Kyle Tucker to also
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: land in their lap?
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: What's the reaction up in Canada today.
• 18:14
  Speaker 8: I don't think it's it's greedy.
• 18:16
  Speaker 9: I think you know the way the Blue Jays were
• 18:19
  Speaker 9: throwing their weight around in this offseason and snapping up
• 18:22
  Speaker 9: Dylan Cease right away.
• 18:24
  Speaker 8: And throwing almost forty million.
• 18:26
  Speaker 9: Dollars at a reliever they kind of expected one of
• 18:31
  Speaker 9: Tucker or Bishitt to wind up here in Toronto, and
• 18:35
  Speaker 9: I did too.
• 18:35
  Speaker 8: I thought the Blue Jays were absolutely.
• 18:37
  Speaker 9: Going to sign either one or the other, and to
• 18:40
  Speaker 9: not get both or to not get either, is pretty disappointing.
• 18:44
  Speaker 9: But I don't think from a greedy sense. I think
• 18:48
  Speaker 9: from a team building sense, it feels like they're still
• 18:52
  Speaker 9: maybe a bat short of where you'd like them to
• 18:56
  Speaker 9: be right now. I mean, this is a team that
• 18:58
  Speaker 9: did lead the major leagues batting average and on base
• 19:01
  Speaker 9: percentage last year, but was middle of the pack in
• 19:03
  Speaker 9: Homer's and it feels like they're really counting on if
• 19:07
  Speaker 9: this is it, like, if they don't make the move
• 19:09
  Speaker 9: on Bellinger or make a trade and get somebody else,
• 19:13
  Speaker 9: you're really counting on George Springer to repeat what he
• 19:15
  Speaker 9: did last year, and now he's thirty six, and you're
• 19:18
  Speaker 9: counting on a big bounce back from Anthony santan Dare
• 19:21
  Speaker 9: that may or may not happen after he lost an
• 19:23
  Speaker 9: entire year. So I would say less greedy and more
• 19:28
  Speaker 9: it sort of felt like this was almost inevitable and
• 19:32
  Speaker 9: now it hasn't happened.
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: Before we pivot to Bellinger, and talk about the possibilities
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: of that. Which one do you think hurts more? The
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: fact that they didn't bring Bo back or the fact
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: that they didn't sign Tucker when it was like, okay,
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: like which one because you talked about power, because the
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: power with Tucker, But then you talked about the lineup
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: and what they did last year. Bo was part of that.
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: So which one hurts more?
• 19:58
  Speaker 9: I mean both to twenty five homers too, So there's
• 20:03
  Speaker 9: power there. I was gonna say thirty, but I'm not
• 20:05
  Speaker 9: sure he's gotten a thirty. But there's power there. And
• 20:08
  Speaker 9: obviously that home run he hit in Game seven of
• 20:09
  Speaker 9: the World Series was beyond ridiculous. When you say hurts
• 20:15
  Speaker 9: Bo hurts more. I've said it a few times over
• 20:18
  Speaker 9: the course of this winter. It just it's not gonna
• 20:22
  Speaker 9: feel right for the Blue Jays to open camp, to
• 20:28
  Speaker 9: take the field, whatever, without Bob Bashett. Now, he's been
• 20:32
  Speaker 9: part of this organization for a decade. He's been part
• 20:36
  Speaker 9: of the team since he got called up in August
• 20:38
  Speaker 9: of twenty nineteen in Kansas City. Got a hit in
• 20:41
  Speaker 9: his first big league at bad and something like twelve
• 20:44
  Speaker 9: doubles in his first ten games or something as set
• 20:47
  Speaker 9: a major league record. He's been an integral part of
• 20:50
  Speaker 9: this thing and a running mate of Vladimir Guerrero Juniors.
• 20:54
  Speaker 9: And it's just gonna be so weird. This will be
• 20:57
  Speaker 9: the first time that Vladdie has played on a team
• 20:59
  Speaker 9: without Bo since twenty sixteen, I believe, which is wild.
• 21:06
  Speaker 9: You know, for a full season. He was up a
• 21:08
  Speaker 9: few months earlier in twenty nineteen than Bishet.
• 21:13
  Speaker 8: But and you know, Bo is.
• 21:18
  Speaker 9: Maybe, outside of Luisa Raise, the best pure hitter in
• 21:20
  Speaker 9: the game. And he's got way more pop than her
• 21:23
  Speaker 9: eyes too.
• 21:25
  Speaker 8: He will grind in.
• 21:26
  Speaker 9: At bat, he'll foul off a million pitches and then
• 21:30
  Speaker 9: he'll just smack a double the other way. He's just
• 21:33
  Speaker 9: such a so hard on pitchers and so much fun
• 21:35
  Speaker 9: to watch. But then you know, Kyle Tucker is left handed,
• 21:41
  Speaker 9: he doesn't strike out, takes his walks, has the power.
• 21:46
  Speaker 9: Seemed like the perfect fit behind vlad in the lineup,
• 21:50
  Speaker 9: and so that hurts too. And I think that's what
• 21:53
  Speaker 9: the Jay's front office saw a little bit more, and
• 21:56
  Speaker 9: they were more intent on Tucker than they were on Bo.
• 22:00
  Speaker 9: But Bo should have been done months ago here in Toronto.
• 22:05
  Speaker 9: He wanted to stay, but I guess either he wanted
• 22:09
  Speaker 9: to shop his offers or the front office just didn't
• 22:13
  Speaker 9: want to meet his price. But it should be said
• 22:16
  Speaker 9: they didn't want to meet Vlad's price last year either
• 22:18
  Speaker 9: and had to be forced into it by ownership. That
• 22:21
  Speaker 9: took until April, and they didn't have that luxury this
• 22:24
  Speaker 9: time because Vlad wasn't a free agent and Bo was.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: Was there some feelings hurt by Bo? You talked about
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: the connection between him and Vlad. They've been together the
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: whole time. Vlad was hearing extension talks Bo. From all
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: that we've heard, he was not hearing extension talks. Vlad
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: got his extension after BO had a down year. I mean,
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: I think BO would even say that. So do you
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: think this relationship was a little severed maybe two three
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: years ago, when in my opinion, you said they should
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: have been locked up months ago? I think BO should
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: have been locked up up years ago.
• 23:02
  Speaker 9: Oh yeah, like put me in back in twenty nineteen.
• 23:04
  Speaker 9: And I'm signing Bo and Vlad to you know, Ronald
• 23:08
  Speaker 9: Acunya and Ozzy Albi's contracts for sure, but also you know,
• 23:13
  Speaker 9: if I'm doing that, I'm also signing Jordan Romano and
• 23:15
  Speaker 9: Danny Jansen and Cavin Biggio and Alec Manoa to contracts
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: like that, and some work and some don't. But yeah,
• 23:21
  Speaker 9: they they could have saved themselves hundreds of millions of
• 23:24
  Speaker 9: dollars by being more proactive and by having more faith
• 23:29
  Speaker 9: in their players.
• 23:30
  Speaker 8: For sure.
• 23:31
  Speaker 9: As far as the more recent extension talks, I don't think.
• 23:36
  Speaker 8: I mean, if it rubbed Bo the wrong way, then.
• 23:39
  Speaker 9: You know, he's got to look at himself, and I
• 23:41
  Speaker 9: don't think it did. But coming off a year like
• 23:44
  Speaker 9: Bo had in twenty twenty four, after he missed half
• 23:48
  Speaker 9: the season, hurt and hit two twenty five and had
• 23:50
  Speaker 9: the worst year of his career, there was no way
• 23:53
  Speaker 9: to sign him for an extension. I mean, if the
• 23:56
  Speaker 9: Blue Jays had made an offer there, it would have
• 23:58
  Speaker 9: been way short of what Bow wanted, and rightfully so.
• 24:02
  Speaker 9: And if Bo had come in with his number it
• 24:04
  Speaker 9: would have been crazy high coming off of the injuries
• 24:07
  Speaker 9: in the year. So it really was not a good
• 24:10
  Speaker 9: fit for an extension, which doesn't mean they couldn't have
• 24:14
  Speaker 9: revisited it at the All Star break this year when
• 24:17
  Speaker 9: we saw Bow was back to being Bo, and we
• 24:19
  Speaker 9: kind of understand that that's his level of performance when
• 24:22
  Speaker 9: he's healthy. But as far as an extension last winter,
• 24:26
  Speaker 9: there was just no number that would have been remotely
• 24:29
  Speaker 9: close for both sides.
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: I love the optimism that it would have been an
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: option to sign to an acunya an Ozzie Albi's deal.
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: I'm assuming Azzie in this situation as Bashet, but he's
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: got an ex MLB player for a dad. I don't
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: think seven to thirty five. Maybe it would have been
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: on the table, but maybe something close. I do like
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: that a lot, though, So now we know that bo
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: is not on the table anymore, and as well as
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: Kyle Tucker. Of the free agents that are left, who
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: do you think could be the best maybe top two
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: fits to help the blue Jays in twenty twenty six.
• 25:05
  Speaker 8: Well, first of all, I agree with you on the
• 25:06
  Speaker 8: Albu's thing.
• 25:07
  Speaker 9: I was just talking strategy and as opposed to Tigers but.
• 25:10
  Speaker 8: Lots for seven or eight years.
• 25:13
  Speaker 9: But yeah, that would have been swell, but too many
• 25:16
  Speaker 9: major league dads in that they didn't need the money
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: for sure. Cody Bellinger obviously stands out as the next
• 25:24
  Speaker 9: best fit, especially when the Blue Jays seem to have
• 25:28
  Speaker 9: been so focused on Kyle Tucker, and Bellinger has shown
• 25:31
  Speaker 9: he can play in the Al East. He is a
• 25:34
  Speaker 9: very good defensive outfielder as opposed to Tucker, and defense
• 25:38
  Speaker 9: is something that the Blue Jays seem to really want.
• 25:42
  Speaker 9: It's a weird fit, but Tucker would have been a
• 25:44
  Speaker 9: weird fit, and they were willing to make it happen
• 25:48
  Speaker 9: because you've got Addison Barger, You've got Anthony Santanderra and
• 25:52
  Speaker 9: George Springer. And while Barger played a lot of third
• 25:55
  Speaker 9: last year, Cosmo Komoto was here to do that this year,
• 25:59
  Speaker 9: and you would assume that they didn't give him sixty
• 26:01
  Speaker 9: million bucks to be a part time player. So you
• 26:04
  Speaker 9: wonder quite how the dominoes are going to roll that way.
• 26:09
  Speaker 9: But I would imagine that Cody Bellinger is the next target.
• 26:17
  Speaker 9: And if not, look you've got Nathan Lucas. And Nathan Lucas,
• 26:20
  Speaker 9: while he's been an average major league hitter, was a
• 26:24
  Speaker 9: leadoff good enough to be a leadoff man in a
• 26:25
  Speaker 9: World Series game and score the winning run in that game.
• 26:28
  Speaker 9: You've got Joey Loperfido who came up last July and
• 26:32
  Speaker 9: was ridiculous for six weeks, who might get a chance
• 26:36
  Speaker 9: as well.
• 26:37
  Speaker 8: But it does feel like, you know, if.
• 26:40
  Speaker 9: You're if you're acting like a bully in free agency
• 26:44
  Speaker 9: and you're taking aim at the Kyle Tuckers of the world,
• 26:48
  Speaker 9: then a pivot to Cody Bellinger should not be out
• 26:51
  Speaker 9: of your reach at all.
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: I think there's probably some more versatility there because you're
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: gonna lose Dalton varshow soon. You don't want Anthony Santan
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: dere laying and is into his last years of his
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: contract in the outfield. So yeah, I think I think Kyle,
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think Cody has more versatility. Are the
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: Blue Jays the number one team in the American League
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: East as we sit here.
• 27:14
  Speaker 9: Today, Yeah, I think so. Boston's improved their pitching. But
• 27:20
  Speaker 9: just to catch up to the Blue Jays, right, You've
• 27:22
  Speaker 9: got a top four in your rotation of Gosman, Cse
• 27:27
  Speaker 9: Bieber and Yes Savage and Jose Barrios is your fifth
• 27:33
  Speaker 9: or Cody Ponce, who just had the best year anyone's
• 27:37
  Speaker 9: ever had in Korea. That's that's pretty good. And as
• 27:41
  Speaker 9: much as Jeff Hoffman gave up that home run in
• 27:45
  Speaker 9: Game seven of the World Series, Jeff Hoffman was a
• 27:48
  Speaker 9: solid closer. Jimmy Garcia is terrific. Taylor Rodgers Tyler. I
• 27:55
  Speaker 9: can't tell the twins apart. Whichever Rogers the Blue Jays
• 27:59
  Speaker 9: wound up getting.
• 28:00
  Speaker 8: Is Tyler ridiculous? Tyler, He's I mean stupid.
• 28:04
  Speaker 9: A six twenty ops against both sides for a knuckle Draggers,
• 28:09
  Speaker 9: that's amazing.
• 28:10
  Speaker 8: The bullpen is solid.
• 28:12
  Speaker 9: Could use a capital C closer to push everybody down,
• 28:16
  Speaker 9: but doesn't need it. And again it's it's a tremendous
• 28:21
  Speaker 9: defense and a very good offense. So yeah, the Yankees
• 28:25
  Speaker 9: haven't done anything. The Orioles haven't done enough. I do
• 28:30
  Speaker 9: think the Blue Jays right now are still the best
• 28:33
  Speaker 9: team in the Alias.
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: Is there a.
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: Scenario that we look at and we say the Blue
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: Jays are a sleeper team for a trade because everything
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: has been free agent? Yea, everything has been in that
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: free agency. But when you have a season where you're
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: coming off a World Series and you have the Nathan Lucas,
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: you have the Ernie Clement, you have the Addison Bargers,
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: which the casual fans had no idea about. Are the
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: Blue Jays in a position do you feel like they've
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: built up so much cachet that they'd be fine getting
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: rid of some of their big league talent to land
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: that one last piece in a trade, because all that
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: we've heard about the Blue Jays mostly has been money, money, money, money, money, money,
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: and then bring this trade in to give them that
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: final piece.
• 29:26
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 29:26
  Speaker 9: Absolutely, you know all those extra pieces, right, Lucas and
• 29:31
  Speaker 9: low Berfido, David Schneider, even Jose Barrios, though that's a
• 29:36
  Speaker 9: tough contract to move. Lucas is tough to move also
• 29:40
  Speaker 9: because he's thirty one and he's only had one full
• 29:42
  Speaker 9: season in the majors. But you know, there, you could
• 29:46
  Speaker 9: dangle Addison Barger to get that one final piece. There
• 29:51
  Speaker 9: are pieces that this team can trade. They have a
• 29:54
  Speaker 9: surplus of players, and they have some solid prospects in
• 29:58
  Speaker 9: the lower miners. So absolutely, I'm not putting it past
• 30:03
  Speaker 9: them to make a deal. We're still a month away
• 30:06
  Speaker 9: from a full squad at spring training. There's lots of
• 30:09
  Speaker 9: time to do things.
• 30:10
  Speaker 8: And it's true we have absolutely been concentrating on the
• 30:14
  Speaker 8: free agent market so much.
• 30:16
  Speaker 9: Probably because of Cease and because of all the Tucker
• 30:18
  Speaker 9: talk from the beginning of the off season. But they
• 30:21
  Speaker 9: are well positioned to make a trade if there's a fit.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Hey, last one for you, Mike.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: We'll do it quick and you got to jump and
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: I want to promote your pod one more time. Blue
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Jays fans perception of the Dodgers. They fall just short
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: in the World Series, and the Dodgers have beat them
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: in some signings lately. Hey, I think this is a
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: golden era right now for the Jays. And in summary,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: we've capitalized for sure, right or they've capitalized on all
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: of the money they made, all the attention they're grabbing.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: But got imagine they just despise the Dodgers at the
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: moment and how they've grabbed Show and some others or
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: is it more like us against the not the world?
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: But what was it during the World Series? We don't
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: need you something along those lines to show, hey, right.
• 31:11
  Speaker 9: And the same thing will happen, Well, the same thing
• 31:13
  Speaker 9: would happen to Tucker. I guess the Dodgers are here
• 31:16
  Speaker 9: this year, so yeah, the same thing will probably happen
• 31:18
  Speaker 9: to Tucker that we don't need you chant. It was
• 31:21
  Speaker 9: amazing with showhy there in Game one of the World Series,
• 31:25
  Speaker 9: and I think you know, the Dodgers are now what
• 31:29
  Speaker 9: the Yankees and Red Sox used to be here living
• 31:32
  Speaker 9: in the Al.
• 31:32
  Speaker 8: East for the last forever.
• 31:35
  Speaker 9: The Blue Jays had a ton of very good teams
• 31:38
  Speaker 9: between nineteen ninety eight and twenty and fourteen and couldn't
• 31:43
  Speaker 9: get a sniff because the Yankees and the Red Sox
• 31:46
  Speaker 9: were the big bullies.
• 31:47
  Speaker 8: On the block.
• 31:48
  Speaker 9: And now the Dodgers are that, And I think it's great.
• 31:51
  Speaker 9: I mean, I'd much rather the sixty million dollars go
• 31:54
  Speaker 9: to Kyle Tucker every year than go into the pockets
• 31:56
  Speaker 9: of the Dodgers' owners and Rogers, who owns the Blue Jays.
• 32:02
  Speaker 9: The Jays, honestly are like their entire payroll is a
• 32:07
  Speaker 9: rounding error on the Rogers balance sheet because so much
• 32:10
  Speaker 9: of their money comes from cable and wireless, so you
• 32:13
  Speaker 9: can afford it, go spend it. Better to spend it
• 32:15
  Speaker 9: on the players than to keep it for yourselves. But yeah,
• 32:19
  Speaker 9: Jays fans are not happy with the Dodgers for sure.
• 32:24
  Speaker 9: Otani Sasaki. Now Tucker feels like the Mets finished second
• 32:28
  Speaker 9: to Tucker as opposed to the Blue Jays there because
• 32:32
  Speaker 9: he was looking for I guess, the short term, high
• 32:34
  Speaker 9: value deal. But it's great to have a villain and
• 32:38
  Speaker 9: for a while they're the Blue Jays where the villains
• 32:40
  Speaker 9: in the American League this offseason, And they may still be,
• 32:44
  Speaker 9: and they haven't been for a very, very, very long time.
• 32:47
  Speaker 9: But yeah, everybody hates the Dodgers. I don't think they're
• 32:50
  Speaker 9: ruining baseball. I think it's great. I think more teams
• 32:53
  Speaker 9: should behave like they do, and I'm glad that the
• 32:56
  Speaker 9: Blue Jays are starting to. But there is zero love loss.
• 33:01
  Speaker 9: I've had a couple of people already in the last
• 33:03
  Speaker 9: day tell me that the only that they want the
• 33:09
  Speaker 9: Blue Jays to win the World Series in twenty twenty six,
• 33:12
  Speaker 9: but it will only taste really good if they do
• 33:16
  Speaker 9: it against the Dodgers.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Wow, see that Trevor is greedy. We don't want just
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: the title. We want a title over the Dodgers.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: But I love it. Hey, I love it.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: You have to be unreasonable, yes, as a fan in
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: this sport. Mike, thank you so much for the time.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Appreciate you. We could show the board here for Mike
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: to call it out on his own Mike, just where
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: everyone can catch your show.
• 33:38
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's deep left field. The new episode came out
• 33:43
  Speaker 9: yesterday before Tucker and Bow signed, but we're going to
• 33:46
  Speaker 9: get a bonus episode up tomorrow to talk about the
• 33:50
  Speaker 9: two signings. But in this one I talked to Ernie
• 33:52
  Speaker 9: Clement and he talks about Game seven and the aftermath,
• 33:56
  Speaker 9: and he said at the time he made a pitch
• 34:00
  Speaker 9: to bo At Bischett's wedding last weekend or two weekends
• 34:03
  Speaker 9: ago to come back to the JAS, and that he
• 34:06
  Speaker 9: was kind of hoping they would sign both.
• 34:07
  Speaker 8: Tucker and Bushett.
• 34:08
  Speaker 9: Now that's greedy, but that's what you would expect from
• 34:11
  Speaker 9: a player.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: We love it. Oh, I want to hear all about that.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Ernie Clement's an awesome personality too, so looking forward to
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: catching that.
• 34:18
  Speaker 8: Mike.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Thanks again, great to catch up with.
• 34:19
  Speaker 9: You anytime, guys. Thanks for having me a word for video.
• 34:24
  Speaker 8: Good.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Leo is just basking in cash right now. Your bet
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: MGM futures and changes in line movement for the Dodgers
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: after they signed Kyle Tucker. So you have the open price,
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: the before KT and the after KT. So they were
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: at plus three hundred Kyle Tucker signs. That line now
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: moves to plus two twenty five. It's almost two to
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: one odds for the Dodgers to win the World Series.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know if we've ever seen that National League
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: they're at plus one p thirty one point three to
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: one odds and then to win the NL West.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: That's the real crazy one too.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Minus three seventy five has now jumped to minus six
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: fifty six fifty to win a hondo for the Dodgers
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: to win the National League West.
• 35:15
  Speaker 8: Damn?
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Who thoughts on this movement here? And how?
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess you can touch it, but it's
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: just really tough to get any value out of this.
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: Trevor don't I'm I'm sure someone's doing it, but yeah,
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: I even without Tucker, I mean, like, you're not going
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: to make a ton of money. I mean, anyone out
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: there who's like, I'll do three to fifty for one
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: hundred for them to win the West, Yeah, it might
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: be out of the window now or sorry, three seventy
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: five for for one guy to move it that way,
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: especially with a guy with a bunch of team, with
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: a bunch of MVPs on already probably a gut punch
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: for the people who who are preparing to make that
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: just to have some little bit of security because they've won.
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: I don't know what is the one what like sixty
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: of the last sixty one or something visions. So I mean,
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: good luck, guys. If you there is no sure bets,
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: as they say, but as it goes, that might be
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: your best.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: This might be the.
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: Best direction you've ever been able to go in order
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: to feel confident at all.
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: About anything going your way.
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: So I mean to move the lines like this. People
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: don't know lines or anything like that. The NL West
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: one is it's wild. I know it's not a dollar
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: for dollar compared to the World Series, but for the
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: World Series odds to move almost an entire point is crazy.
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: And the fact that they're almost a two to one
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: favorite to win the World Series, not against another team.
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: When they were down in the series last year, I
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: bought them at two hundred plus two hundred, and they
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: were just playing the Dodgers like there was just another team.
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: You have twenty nine other teams. That's where everybody feel
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: the Dodgers are to win the World Series. But the
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: fact that the NL West shifted almost double, you almost
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: have to put down twice the amount that you had
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: to just to win one hundred is a crazy number.
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: But it's also a number that says, dang his team
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: is good.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: So it's just crazy to see one signing make an
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: impact like that too. The Dodgers were already heavily favored,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: and when you add Tucker and a win projection that
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: goes into models like this. That's what's crazy, Trevor. Now,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know if the the win added here total
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: for Kyle Tucker will actually impact. Like I'm curious to
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: see the win loss number, right, the win total number
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: for the Dodgers. So do you think some of that
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: has to do with the way that they manage their
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: pitching staff throughout a season and they really pump the
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: brakes on guys to make sure that they're going to
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: be ready for October. I bet the jump there is
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: not as significant as the odds moving towards them just doing.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: What they need to do.
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: It's crazy to think this way, but Trevor, I actually
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: think the Dodgers are able to look at the landscape
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: of where they're at division wise and be like, Okay,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: we can take it easy on these pitchers at this
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: time period, since we're up eight games at the moment
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: on the division. I know that sounds kind of crazy,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: but they are making sure, of course they're in a
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: comfy spot. They take the division down and that their
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: pitching is going to be ready for the postseason. I
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: don't know if that made any sense, but the impact
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: of that contractor makes of course going to okay, what
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: do you got for us?
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: So just the other day we locked in the Dodgers
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: under at ninety nine wins, today one hundred and three
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: and a half.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: These Oh see, that's awesome. See that's what happened last year.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: And then if you smashed the under, you were you
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: crushed it right, Dodgers finished with what last year?
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Ninety five wins? I want to say, I'll look it up.
• 39:04
  Speaker 7: Three wins?
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Was it ninety three?
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: I thought I thought they were closer than ninety three,
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: But I have it right here.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Ninety three.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: So they were in the hundreds last year heading into
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: the season, right, it might have been like one oh
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: one point five whatever it was, and that was an
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: easy hit. I think that's going to be the same
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: case again here. I don't think this team's winning one
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: hundred four games. I think they're gonna go through all
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: kinds of pitching, injuries and fun and they're just gonna
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: be like, cool, we don't care.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: We're gonna win enough games.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: We'll win ninety seven games, but one oh three point
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: five that's the number.
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: Them three point yeah, and I don't see win that many.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: They get lucky.
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, if everyone's healthy, they could, but then it's not
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: their goal. It's not their goal. The one oh seven
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: was because no one got hurt a few years ago.
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: That's why they won one hundred and seven games.
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but they have.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say guys that went deep in October
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: and then a lot of dudes that'll be involved in
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: the WBC too, But anyway, krats.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: No, I don't think it's necessarily injuries. Like the Braves
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: had injuries. They had dudes that could not come back.
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: The Dodgers have guys that were hurting. Can we call
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: it the mitigation? Like they were just mitigating through the season,
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: Like it's okay, Like I get it, Blake Snell, you're
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: barking a little bit. You know, we want you to
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: be full strength. We're gonna let you build up as
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: much as we can. Then we're gonna throw you on
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: a larger, a longer rehab assignment. We know we have
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: show Hey, we know we have Yamamoto six day guys.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: Is Roki gonna come back to the rotation at some
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: point doubtful, But is another six day guy? Like they're
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: spreading these guys out, and that's where I see it
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: being really tough, and I'm locking in.
• 40:43
  Speaker 7: I'm doubled.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: I guess I'm essentially doubling it down because I bought
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: it at ninety nine and I loved it. I can't
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: not love it at one hundred and maybe less than
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: one hundred and four. Theyn one hundred and three wins
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: or less, and I'm taking it. Sorry, the game is,
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: it's too tough, The NST is too good, and I
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: don't think the Dodgers want to put everything that it
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: takes to win one hundred and four games into it.
• 41:07
  Speaker 7: I could be wrong.
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: They're much better team than one hundred and three wins,
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: but I don't think they care.
• 41:13
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