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Pazuzu Algarad - The Gatekeeper of Hell · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: There you go, There you go, there you go. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So this episode is an interesting one. I was actually
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  Speaker 1: researching another episode, another case changed when a friend of
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  Speaker 1: ours and Avid listener to the podcast Dana Sup Dana
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  Speaker 1: she's the one who actually made the moth destroy right
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  Speaker 1: we gave away, and she recommended this case and I
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  Speaker 1: looked into it and I'm like, I'm I'm switching it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm switching my case this week. I'm diving into this
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  Speaker 1: one right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And you switched like very last minute.
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  Speaker 1: Very last minute. Was up till three point thirty am
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  Speaker 1: last night researching this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was fun. Are you going to still
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  Speaker 2: do the other one one day?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? I will. Okay, it's a good case, but I
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  Speaker 1: just this one just it was too good timing to
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  Speaker 1: not do it, because we're coming off another cult episode
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  Speaker 1: and though this one's not necessarily cult. The individual who's
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  Speaker 1: prominent in this and it's his case sort of thing,
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  Speaker 1: the antagonist, if you will, he kind of wanted to
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  Speaker 1: be a cult leader sort of thing. He had his
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  Speaker 1: own like little like following in his house, his friends,
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  Speaker 1: his close knit group fun. It's kind of like a
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  Speaker 1: mini cult.
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  Speaker 2: Well he had big dreams but didn't quite get there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, not like the last lady definitely.
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  Speaker 2: I can't even remember the last lady's name was.
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  Speaker 1: See, that's a problem with these podcasts. We're always like
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  Speaker 1: researching names, and it's like as soon as one goes
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  Speaker 1: out or is done, we're onto the next one. I
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  Speaker 1: think it was Amy something, wasn't it.
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea. Yeah, I have no idea. I'm sick.
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  Speaker 2: I'm allowed to have forgotten.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, fair, But it was Love Has Won?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Love has one? There you go, And it was
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  Speaker 2: like w O N right, yes, yeah, which I was like,
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  Speaker 2: oh I assumed it was the other way.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, coming off that cult one, we're kind of
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  Speaker 1: on another cultish one.
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  Speaker 2: So because people like the cults, yeah, let's do it.
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  Speaker 2: I want to actually research a cult one, please.
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  Speaker 1: Well I do have another one that Bronson, my tattoo
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  Speaker 1: artist down in Vancouver. Shout out to Bronson, what's up?
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  Speaker 1: He requested? You're just don't know what he requested? One
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  Speaker 1: that's actually it was prominent in the Vancouver area.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe you can research that that one. That's fun.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's dive into this though. This is all about
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  Speaker 1: Pazzu Algarod. That's an alias. Though his real name was
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  Speaker 1: John Alexander Lawson, John John.
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  Speaker 2: That's quite a difference in names there.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely, we'll get into John to change here in a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. I'm going to call him John here throughout
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  Speaker 1: his earlier life as I'm describing that, but when he
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  Speaker 1: goes through his name change, I'm going to call him
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  Speaker 1: by his name change. Though I'm sure he wants people
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  Speaker 1: who refer to him by his new name, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to refer to him buy his new name for different reasons.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get into that though, Okay, Okay. So, John Alexander
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  Speaker 1: Lawson was born August twelfth, nineteen seventy eight, in San Francisco.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I love San Francisco.
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  Speaker 1: Go to California, the West Coast, love it. The accounts
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  Speaker 1: of his childhood do vary a little bit depending on
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  Speaker 1: who's telling the story, but people who knew John as
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  Speaker 1: a child described him as a little off kilter and emotional,
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  Speaker 1: but still he led a normal life.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: His parents, Cynthia Lawson and Timothy J. Lawson had married
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy one, and the three of them ended
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  Speaker 1: up moving when John was two to Forsyth County in
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  Speaker 1: North Carolina in nineteen eighty. Then they got divorced in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety. John loved, like I said, fairly normal life.
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  Speaker 1: He was in Cub Scouts when he was real young,
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  Speaker 1: and progressed to play Little League baseball and into football
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  Speaker 1: and his pre teens athletic dude. Definitely an athletic dude.
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  Speaker 1: Fairly normal as far as most reports go, though there
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  Speaker 1: are some reports of him being, like I said, still
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  Speaker 1: off kilter, weird, stinking sometimes lots of times actually.
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  Speaker 2: Stinking, wain stinky, not really smelly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, not really, not really showering. He's a little weird,
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  Speaker 1: but all around normal aside from those accounts. Then in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight, Cynthia actually remarried to John Larry James Johnny.
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  Speaker 1: The couple in John lived in a home, so it's John,
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  Speaker 1: Cynthia and Johnny.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I was just like in my head, I could
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  Speaker 2: you see my wheels starting because I was like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't have to remember that.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I explained it, because I was like, that's
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of a.
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  Speaker 2: That's like confusing that she met another John.
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  Speaker 1: But okay, yeah, so they wear my hand out yet.
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  Speaker 1: They lived in a home at two seven four nine
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  Speaker 1: knob Hill Drive, Winston Salem, North Carolina. By the time
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  Speaker 1: John began By this time, John began to change a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, though. He dropped out of his sports and
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  Speaker 1: his off kilter side started to become a little more prominent.
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  Speaker 1: He had an obsession with dark movies like Friday the Thirteenth,
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  Speaker 1: Nightmare and Elm Street The Extorcist, which, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: all I love all those freaking movies, those horror movies,
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  Speaker 1: those cult classic movies. Love them.
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  Speaker 2: Have I ever watched right in the Thirteenth?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, have you?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know?
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  Speaker 1: You better have I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I needed to look into that because we're gonna have
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  Speaker 2: to watch it, like I have to watch it if
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  Speaker 2: I haven't.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. Well, I mean that's Crystal Lake, right, you know,
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  Speaker 1: have you watched it?
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  Speaker 2: It's not actually like film teer though.
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  Speaker 1: No, we have a Crystal Lake just north of US.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, because I've heard like references, I don't actually think
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  Speaker 2: I've maybe watched this really because.
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  Speaker 1: In the movie there's it's like summer camp sort of thing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's at Camp Crystal Lake, Okay, and then Jason proceeds
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  Speaker 1: to slaughter a bunch of kids at this camp basically
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  Speaker 1: very short. So yeah. And then there's multiple Friday of
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  Speaker 1: the Thirteenth movies. And then there's Halloween with Michael Myers
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  Speaker 1: where he slaughters a bunch of people. Then there's Nightmare
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  Speaker 1: and Elm Street where Freddy Krueger is literally part of
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  Speaker 1: your nightmares and kills you in your dreams.
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  Speaker 2: And okay, good old slasher goal like tidy home goal.
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  Speaker 2: I want to become a baker, and I need to
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  Speaker 2: watch more horror movies.
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  Speaker 1: Clearly, I know I've I've introduced you to some like
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  Speaker 1: I know I've made you watch all the Evil deads Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: which is like, hands down my case.
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  Speaker 2: We're obsessed. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Love Bruce Campbell. That man is sexy. I'm not gay,
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  Speaker 1: but I would do things if he asked.
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  Speaker 2: Goodness, you would.
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  Speaker 1: He's a good looking dude, Yeah, especially for his age.
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  Speaker 1: He's getting older and he's still he's a very classy individual.
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  Speaker 1: Even I might even go as far as saying he's
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  Speaker 1: a bougie guy. He's a bougie guy guy. Yeah, just
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  Speaker 1: dropping that in there. Anyways, moving on, So he was
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  Speaker 1: obsessed with the cult classic movies, which weren't cult classics end.
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  Speaker 1: There were just horror movies then, but the slash reflicks
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  Speaker 1: that sort of thing, and anything related to the occult,
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  Speaker 1: which is basically defined as supernatural beliefs and practices which
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  Speaker 1: generally fall outside the scope of religion and science. You know,
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  Speaker 1: paranormal and supernatural essentially. Okay, I mean it's a little
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  Speaker 1: deeper than that, but that's the surface definition right now.
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  Speaker 1: It may have been that his mother felt guilty due
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  Speaker 1: to divorce due to the divorce in John's father, essentially
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  Speaker 1: leaving their life forever. Or perhaps it was a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more deeper and it was that she just had
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  Speaker 1: such love for her son that she wanted to provide
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  Speaker 1: anything that he wanted. Either way, John rarely had no
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  Speaker 1: for an answer growing up. He was essentially given complete
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  Speaker 1: freedom to do what he wanted when he wanted, so
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  Speaker 1: much so that John didn't even like his mother being married,
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  Speaker 1: probably because she married another dude named John, and he
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  Speaker 1: was like, fuck that, that's my name.
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  Speaker 2: It kind of sounds like you'd be like that.
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  Speaker 1: Probably so regardless to please her son. She split from
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  Speaker 1: the newfound marriage, oh her and her son. Okay, it
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  Speaker 1: got to the point where John was like getting quite
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  Speaker 1: depressed and having some mental issues with a lot of
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  Speaker 1: things on the side too. But that's going to continue
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  Speaker 1: throughout the rest of his life as well, So it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't just due to that.
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  Speaker 2: So she gave him a lot of power basically life
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  Speaker 2: all the power. Yeah, yeap, huh.
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  Speaker 1: So the separation didn't really leave the glamorous life of
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  Speaker 1: the two of them like she was hoping though. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: John continued down the path dropped out of high school
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  Speaker 1: in grade nine, so it got worse, got worse, And
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  Speaker 1: just just to throw in perspective here, he dropped out
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  Speaker 1: of high school after the divorce at grade nine. So
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  Speaker 1: you have someone who's like probably grade seven eight who
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  Speaker 1: influenced his mother into a divorce.
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  Speaker 2: That's young.
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  Speaker 1: That is young to have that sort of power and
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  Speaker 1: influence over.
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  Speaker 2: A parent totally.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm not going to judge parenting style,
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  Speaker 1: but that is there's definitely something wrong there and a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: But unless Johnny was like a terrible person, yeah of course,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, then then you definitely have that power.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But a lot of people going through the information
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  Speaker 1: on this, Like there's a documentary called The Devil you
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  Speaker 1: Know on Vice which I watched all the episodes and everything.
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  Speaker 1: It's a five part docu series. A lot of people
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  Speaker 1: point the finger towards Cynthia enabling John a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the times when he was younger and everything. Okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she she has quoted in the in the documentary documentary
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  Speaker 1: a few times. Here she says things like all parents
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  Speaker 1: argue with their children and don't agree, which she's right. Ye.
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  Speaker 1: She also says, yes, John has some mental problems, but
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  Speaker 1: he's not a bad guy. And she even described him
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  Speaker 1: as her little warrior, which I mean, so far it
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  Speaker 1: sounds good.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I can. I can get on that.
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  Speaker 1: That's okay. You got to remember the good things and
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  Speaker 1: block out anything any of the bad things. He wasn't
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  Speaker 1: by any means an angel hope. But he wasn't a
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  Speaker 1: bad person. I mean, everyone wants to think that of
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  Speaker 1: their little kid. Yeah, definitely. But I think she just
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  Speaker 1: turned a blind eye too many things. I think deep
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  Speaker 1: down she knew or knows who he is, which we're
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  Speaker 1: going to get into, and she was just turning a
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  Speaker 1: blind eye.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's funny because I feel like it's on
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  Speaker 2: that one spectrum of like it's not all perfect but whatever,
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  Speaker 2: or it's like my kid's an asshole. Yeah, because I've
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  Speaker 2: definitely heard parents say that before. So it's like it's
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  Speaker 2: one one end or the other.
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  Speaker 1: So John was eventually diagnosed with being a gooraphobic, schizophrenic,
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  Speaker 1: and psychotic, and that's when Cynthia started to getting help
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  Speaker 1: for him.
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  Speaker 2: What's a gorphobic?
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  Speaker 1: It's I don't know the exact definition of it, but
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  Speaker 1: it's like the fear of going into public spaces. Most
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  Speaker 1: people who are a gorphobic tend to like lock themselves
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  Speaker 1: up in their bedroom. They don't want to go outside.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that sounds so huh that sounds like scary.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't know if that's the exact definition,
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  Speaker 1: but I do know it's like essentially afraid of leaving
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  Speaker 1: your safe space. Pretty well, yeah, where am I now? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: So she did start getting help for him, though it
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  Speaker 1: didn't last long. And there's one point in there that
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  Speaker 1: she says, you know, it costs a lot of money
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  Speaker 1: to do that sort.
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  Speaker 2: Of stuff, which is fair.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, though through some of the sessions, though, the professionals
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  Speaker 1: did find some interesting things like John had been regularly
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  Speaker 1: consuming alcohol from the age of thirteen, and his mother, Cynthia,
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  Speaker 1: would buy him said alcohol. She would continue to buy
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  Speaker 1: him beer to help settle him down and cope with
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  Speaker 1: whatever issues he had. Oh goodness, so there comes that enabling,
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  Speaker 1: that turning the blind eye and just kind of trying
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  Speaker 1: to make her son happy, right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, because thirteen is so young, and that's just like
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  Speaker 2: setting up to almost be an alcoholic as an adult.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah way, yeah, well an alcoholic as a kid.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that or is a late teenager. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So his younger years, like I said, we're a little
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  Speaker 1: bit hard to decipher because depending on who you talk
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  Speaker 1: to it changes a bit. But from those people who
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  Speaker 1: knew him younger and from his mom, like that's kind
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  Speaker 1: of how his younger years were. However, if you talk
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  Speaker 1: to John, it's a little bit different.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: He would really like to try and paint himself on
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  Speaker 1: a different picture, especially how he perceived himself or wanted
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  Speaker 1: to be perceived. Okay, he would even say that his
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  Speaker 1: dad was from or that he was from Iraq, and
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  Speaker 1: that his father was some sort of high priest over there. Really, yep,
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  Speaker 1: just making.
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  Speaker 2: Up this story, making.
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  Speaker 1: Up this shit.
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  Speaker 2: That's interesting.
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  Speaker 1: So John eventually took the name of Pazuzu in two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and two. And now, the name Pazzuzu derives from
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  Speaker 1: an ancient demon from Syrian or Babylonian times, which right
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  Speaker 1: over in the same area where John claims to be from.
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  Speaker 1: Now that this demonic god was most popular in the
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: first millennium BCE. He was a high tiered demon of
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: the underworld, in control of the west and south winds,
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: which brought famine during dry season and in the rainy season,
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: tearing storms and locusts. So he's basically a high tiered
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: demon with these plagues sort of thing behind him.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Would you say that he's smart?
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: No, okay, well in some ways yes. Now you might
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: think that, oh he's smart because he's clearly doing research
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: on demonology, that yeah thing.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: Well that's what I was just thinking.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, because there's a surface level to this, Okay. However,
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: in this case, it was most likely paying homage to
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: the legendary demon King, who is the main antagonist from
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: the iconic nineteen seventy three movie The Exorcist. So Pazuzu
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: was basically the bad guy in the movie The Exorcist,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: and that is most likely where he's deriving it from.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, so he's just taking it from pop culture.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: He's just like watching a movie.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah kind of yep. Also, there's reports of him worshiping
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Tiamat throughout his life because he becomes really into the
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: occult and Satanism and Satanic rituals and stuff. I get
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: a little thing I'll say on Satanism and such at
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: the end here of the whole podcast, but for now,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: he began to worship some demons, among being Tmat, who
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: is a Babylonian goddess of the sea. However, Tmat is
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: also a big bad dragon in Dungeons and Dragons. So
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: he's just taken shit from pop culture basically totally. So
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: he's all like Exorcist here, D and D there, just
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: trying to make himself look cool and badass, saying like
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: he knows these demons and stuff, when it's you're just
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: taking popular shit that everyone in different categories of life knows.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Question, Yeah, did you know that that was from D
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: and D when you first heard it, or did you
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: learn that in your research?
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Tmatt, I knew that right away. Okay, I believe it's
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: a five headed dragon. I was like, I'm wondering, tmat
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: is like the most prominent big battie in or at
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: least one of if not. I think it might be
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: the most powerful creature in dungeons and dragons. Huh.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: So well, this like case kind of assumes something seem
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: up your alley here a little bit.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: I might be nerding out a little bit. Yeah, her
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: tea man.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: In there, no kidding.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, if you guys don't know, I like me
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: some D and D. Yeah, you still got to play
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: one day.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: You're like a nerd at heart? Really I feel.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Am I a nerd at heart? Or am I just
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: a nerd? I mean I have Dragon ball z anime
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: tattooed on my arm. I have Harry Potter tattooed in
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: my other arm.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a man with many, many interests.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Let's say that it's a very polite way of putting it.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate you just kind of giving that
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: little like feather dusting on top the little sparkles on
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: top there. Thank you appreciate it. Okay, now where am
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: I here? Okay, so John or pezzuzu, I'm gonna start
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: referring to him as Pazzuzu now. And the reason I'm
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: going to refer to him as Pazzuzu because he thinks
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: that he's being all deep in demonology and like cool
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: by pulling the Pazzuzu. I think it's fucking complete bullshit
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: and ridiculous. You're just pulling from pop culture thinking you're cool.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to call him Pazuzu because I think
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: it's fucking hilarious. You think you're cool, Actually you're just
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: you're not. You're an idiot. So I'm gonna call him
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Pezuzi because I just think it's fucking funny. Okay, Yeah,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: So Pazuzu began to take over his mother's house. His
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: mom would essentially be sequestered to a room in the
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: back of the house. Yeah, she basically just stuck to
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: this room while he ran rampant throughout the house and
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: whatever he wants.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Is he still like a teenager basically at this point.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: At this point, No, he's he's dropped out of high school.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: He's he's well, i'd say he's starting get into his
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: late teens.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: I think, okay, yeah, wow.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: But as we're going through this, some years do start
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: passing by to so okay, so he's probably started this
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: like in late teens, getting into his twenties, that sort
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: of thing. So the house actually became a safe haven
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: for a lot of people who are outcasts and fits,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: not having anywhere to go, they would often go to
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: this house because things like drugs, alcohol parties, satanic worship,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: and sex began to take over the place.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's quite a visual.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Pazuzu even went as far as animal sacrifices in the backyard. No,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: all the claims I found, they were generally, well, the
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: only claims I've found they were rabbits. But every time
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: someone talks about it, it's mostly rabbits, but no one
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: ever says anything about other animals.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: I hate that.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: So yeah, his mother did turn the blind eye to
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of this and just kind of kept to
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: her room and let little Johnny, mister Pazuzu do whatever
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: the fuck you want.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Wild right, he did so much control over that was
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: my kid.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: I'd fucking slap him upside the head. I mean not
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: to say child abuse is a good thing, but if
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: your kid's fucking killing animals and having orgies and fucking
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: drugs and shit and trashing your house. Yeah, shit's gotta happen,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost he needs to be locked in his bedroom.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: No shit, Now, she she just let it happen. She
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: did turn a blind eye to most of it. She
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: did try and stand up to him a couple times
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: over some of the things. Yeah, but he just basically like, well,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: if I can't do this, I'm gonna kill myself.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: So what else is the mother to do?
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: No kidding? She doesn't want that to happen.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Wow, she's like really in a shitty position here.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: So Pazuzu, I just do want to say, Pazuzu is
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: the one who worships Satan. He had a Satan tattoo
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: across his forearm and claimed to be quote unquote the
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: gatekeeper of Hell. But I don't think many other people
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: who were drawn to the place, or his friends or
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: in his close circle necessarily were Satan worshippers. It was
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: just a place to party and be free, that sort of.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Thing where you could do whatever the hell you want. Apparently.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Now at this point, Bazuzu had long dreadlocks
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: for hair. Oh wow, he was getting bad tattoos, like
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: a prison tattoo of Satan across his forearms type thing
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: like bad tattoos, not good quality tattoos.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you just mean they were they were just
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: poorly done.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah they were. Like he's probably like going down
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: to somebody's basement getting drunk and high getting tattooed. See them,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: They're they're not pretty, They're they're tattoos. They're badly done.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: But anyways, he would even go as far as to
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: sharpening his own teeth two points and he did this
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: one night himself while super fucking high on death using
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: a dremal.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, okay, yeah, yeah we went there, right, Yeah
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: we did. Wow. I just like can't even I just can't.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: I just can't, like, I'm just a.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: T shirt there we went there. I just can't even.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Like, I'm just like I touched my teeth. I was like,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, this is brutal.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, okay, okay, So leading onto him being a
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: smelly little child, he continue this practice as an adult.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: He showered maybe once a year as he and rarely
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: brushed his teeth. He hasn't brushed his teeth in years.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, He believed.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Filth and dirt made him stronger, because he said, like
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: people in the medieval times live filthy and they were strong.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: He basically believed, like the bacteria is that I'm reading
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: between the lines here. He believed the bacteria is going
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: to build his immune system.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking, but I mean, which, okay, I can kind
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: of understand ish, But it's like to a degree, he
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: can have more showers than once a year and still
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: have a good like a immune system.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're going to touch on the house here.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: The kind of filth he was living in. This is
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: excessive and in the medieval times, the average lifespan was
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: thirty three years old because of all the fucking filth
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: and shit, Like, what.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: The fuck do you feel better about me having showers
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: every second day? Now?
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, your hair doesn't sound so greasy. I get greasy
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: his fuck hair. I got a shower literally every day.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: I bet the majority of females listening to this do
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: not have a shower to wash their hair. I bet
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: you it's like every second, because I've even had friends
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: with like three four days they wash their hair.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: That's nasty, but.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: That's just it. Like, Okay, if I have a shower
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: every day. My hair gets like damaged. It's bad for it.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: So maybe I just have luscious locks in because I
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: can shower.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Like nasty, greasy mofo.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm a greasy mofo. That could be it. I
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: don't know, but I can understand showering every second day.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I just give you a hard time. But like showering
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: once a once a year.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: That's a problem. I even think like, oh no, yeah,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: that's just a problem. It's just a problem.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Well, let's get into the conditions he lived in on
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: top of not showering.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I want to know, but okay, like.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: The house literally became something that was worse than you
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: can imagine on the worst episode of parters. Really, let's
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: just throw that out there. There was trash, drug paraphernalia
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: all over, Like I'm talking grime in this house. It
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: got to the point where people were partying and would
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: just piss in the corner on the floor.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's so disrespectful.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: And even just they're drunk enough they just don't want
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: to go to the bathroom or whatever. They would just
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: shit on the floor.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Seriously, Yeah, they're.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Just shit in the corner of the room or.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Something that's freaking disgusting.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: And it probably would never get cleaned up. If it did,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: it would take who knows how long. Oh, so you
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: can imagine like nothing's getting cleaned, nothing's getting white. People
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: are spray painting on walls, drawing on walls, just trash everywhere,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: food rotting. Like we're talking filth, the filthiest of fucking filth.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: My heart just like almost sinks for his mom in
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: a way.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: But your heart's really gonna sink here because there was
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: also a total of eight dogs living in the house,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: no of which I'm sure not being cared for and
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: are only adding to the smells and the excrement in
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: the house.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, so yeah, I hope they got food and
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: were fed.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Well, I can't speak to much of that, but we
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: will touch on the dogs at the end of this
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: as well, because can't just drop that and not tell
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: you what happens to the dogs. Okay, So, through all
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: this though, the house was a draw to people, people
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: who are misfits. Pazusu even have managed to have multiple
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: quote unquote fiances at his side. The house is a
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: safe place for people who had no one. There's nowhere
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: to go. They go there, they're free of judgment. No
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: one was demanding things of them. You could go there
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: and you were literally free to do what you wanted.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: There's even quotes in this documentary that I talked about
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: the devil, you know on Vice TV of you can
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: just smash a beer bottle over the top of your
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: friend's head and no one would be deny.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: I feel like there's much better places to go because
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: this week just sounds so nasty.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I agree. But the town they're in, Winston Salem in
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: North Carolina, is filled with church goers. Though it's in
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: the Bible belt of the Southern States. Well, I guess
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: it's not the Southern States, but it's Mid States. I
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: guess somewhere in there. It's filled with church goers. So
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: if you're an outsider in a church town, where do
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: you have to go to feel accepted in any way
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: of your life?
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: I guess?
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: And you hear of this house down the street where
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: you can go and be judge free.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it just sounds so disgusting. I mean, maybe
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: the backyard was better. To just hang outside.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: The backyard was not better? Oh okay, well get into
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: why shortly? Now, imagine though, being in this church town
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: and hearing about this house filled with people doing drugs
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: and sex and being run by this tattooed guy who
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: filed his teeth down to fangs.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no kidding.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: The town was literally in fear of Pazuzu, and that
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: was fear that he fed on.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: I loved that even Actually I meant to look this
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: up a specific name on the headwear, but I forgot
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: to just until now. But even after nine to eleven,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Pazuzi went as far as wearing headdresses. I don't want
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: to say turbans, because I don't think it was specifically turbans,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: but he was wearing headdresses and stuff specifically to strike
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: that sort of fear into the locals. Really, yes, especially
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: considering he claimed that he was this freaking high priest's
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: son from Arabic from the Arabic area.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Sorry, huh, I'm just so surprised. I just don't feel
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: like he's someone that I would fear at all.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: But well, anyways, I'm not.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: In that position, so you can't really say that.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: So that's kind of Pizuzu as of this state. This
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: brings us to another story of Josh Wetzler. Josh and
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: his partner Stacey, met in nineteen ninety nine. He was
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: twenty two and she was twenty five. First off, ye
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: go Josh getting the older lady. Yeah yeahah three years well,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I mean yeah, but he still getting the old lady
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: at twenty at twenty two, he's with a twenty five
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: year old I mean yeah, go Josh. Anyways, together they
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: shared the love of animals. Josh was outgoing, He had
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: a warm and kind heart and was the kind of
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: person who had never turned away a stray dog. Together,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: they got a van and spend a lot of their
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: time traveling across the country and spent their time in
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: the outdoors.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Josh and Stacy both had an affinity for horses, and
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: the dream was to have a farm together where they
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: could train and rehabilitate horses.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, So they did just that. They bought land for
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: the dream and it took off with a little one
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: on the way. Yeah. So the starting little family and
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: the dream property. Perfect. Yeah. Now, However, like so many
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: people around the globe, Josh and Stacey got caught up
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: in the Great Recession in two thousand and seven to
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: two thousand and nine. Okay, so In two thousand and eight,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: their agreement with a bank backfired and they lost their
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: dream that they worked so hard to achieve.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Dang.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Their farm was foreclosed and Stacy took odd jobs working
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: on other farms, and Josh began seeking other means of
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: coping with his depression. He began recreationally smoking weed and
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: occasionally consuming mushrooms. Okay, Now, Stacy didn't necessarily morally disagree
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: with this. However, she didn't want their newborn son growing
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: up in a house with substance use like this. Okay, Yeah,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: So Josh ended up moving into a trailer away from
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Stacy while they sorted things out. The love between them
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: was still there. They still had a great relationship. It
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: was just hard times that they fell on and they
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: needed to work through everything. So Josh was going through
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: some serious strength let's just paint this picture here. He
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: lost his house, he lost his dream farm. I mean,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: he didn't lose them yet, but he's currently separated from
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: his dream not wife, they weren't married yet, but his
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: dream wife and son. Yeah, so drugs became his only
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: means of escape. Though he didn't escalate to harder drug use,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: He's still it was still enough to make his darker
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: times even darker.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: That's not going to help the situation at all.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: No, So Josh ordered mushrooms through a mail order. I
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: don't know if it was online or what, but he
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: ordered ordered them through the mail.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Is that something you can do?
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Apparently it is, or at least was, and Josh was
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: actually quickly arrested on February twenty third, two thousand and nine,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: for felony charges of the drug trafficking. His face was
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: plastered front prey front page of their small town newspaper,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: and getting a job became basically an impossible feat. He
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: was kinda screwed. He had nowhere to turn, so through
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: his drug use and his outgoing personality, he found himself
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: in a similar circle with the same people as Pazuzu
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: algarad oh Man.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: When you first started telling the story of them, I
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: was like this away, that this could be connected. I
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: thought they were gonna be the ones that like save
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: the dogs.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Nope, but no, No, Josh is on hard times and he.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Just smash my dreams there.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So last time Stacy saw Josh was in July
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: of two thousand and nine, after a heartwarming pizza cookoat
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: actually okay. Then after that nothing he disappeared. Now Stacy
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: assumed it was because he was avoiding like the law
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: and his parole officer. Right like Josh had fallen hard time.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: She didn't want to make things wor worse for him,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: so she didn't report him missing, didn't say anything to
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: the authorities, just kind of like, he'll turn up eventually.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: He'll contact me when he's ready, when whatever he's going
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: through is sorted out. So seven months had passed without
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: hearing from Josh, and then his mom's birthday came and
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: he didn't call her, which was not like Josh.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: They're patient definitely, yeah, like and some like super patient.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Right waiting seven months, like letting him get his.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Shit together, Like I don't think I wait like a day.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, get your shit together now, Ben.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Thanks, love you too, babe. I appreciate the moral support for,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: you know, a situation that doesn't even exist. Wow, God,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: good to know you have my back.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: I do have your back, But I just don't know
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: if i'd let you like just be gone for seven
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: months just like oh he's fine, Like I.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Don't know, well, seven months, one day whatever. Something was
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: clearly up though, he didn't call his mom on on
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: her birthday. That's not normal. So February fifteenth, twenty ten,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Stacy phoned the police and reported Josh missing. However, police
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: kind of already knew that Josh was missing, because shortly
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: after his disappearance seven months ago, police found his car
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: parked in a parking lot with the keys still in
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: the ignition. But they did nothing. I mean, they didn't
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: call Stacy, his mom nothing.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, that seems really odd, right.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: There's oh, yeah, we his car was found and that
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: was it.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Good lord, someone finds my cars with the key in
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: there and please send help.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Well the problem here though, I mean it was basically,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Josh is a.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Felon, right, I guess he hit the reputation.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so why would the police really care to look
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: for a felon? He's probably just off the run, Like,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: who cares? Why waste the resources? I mean that's not
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: something the police are saying. But I mean that's definitely the.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: The they had.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, where like you say, if it was you, just
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: a regular citizen whose car was found, I'm sure they
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: would have been all over it, which.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Is kind of sad. And I don't know, I don't know, Okay,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: keep going.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Well, it gets to a little bit of a debate
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: here throughout the documentary in a lot of like online forums, whereas, okay,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: we're going to get into some of the more Pezuzu's
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: darker stuff that he gets going here. Yeah, but they
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: basically don't even bother looking into anything Pezuzu does. But
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: like Josh was just on hard times with drugs and
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: he's slammed with like a felon and he can't get
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: a job or flamed with felony, can't get a job
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: and all this sort of stuff, and he's just like
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: hit so hard, whereas someone like Pazzuzu, we'll find all
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: the stuff he does is just left to run rampant. Okay, weird,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: it's kind of a broken system situation.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Here, no kidding, Okay, So.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: John has been missing for seven Josh sorry, has been
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: missing for seven months. And shortly after he's reported missing,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: there's a party at Pezuzu's house and after the party,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: two women were driving home. One of them mentioned in
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: passing about Pazzuzu bragging he had killed a guy and
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: though no one took it seriously, and she's like, yeah,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: I guess the guy's name was apparently Josh. Really well,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: the other woman in the car just so happened to
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: be friends with Stacy. No, and they're in that car
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: at three am. There is that aha moment that you're having.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: No, seriously, he died, he's actually dead.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Well, this is where thes the mystery of Josh begins
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: to unravel.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, she had such a bright future at
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: the beginning. Dang it, dang it, dang it.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: You good.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I'm okay, You're okay, I'm okay.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: So this wasn't the first time Pazzoo bragged, though by
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: this time there were multiple people who had conversations with
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Pazuzu with other people about Pazuzu holding someone in his
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: basement for days and eventually killing them geez. And there
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: was even multiple reports to police of a body bury
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: being buried in the backyard of that residence. Hence why
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: I don't think the backyard is any place to chill out,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: like you were saying, the.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Light bulb just went off, Okay, I did not expect
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: just because there's dead bodies, and even though.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: There were multiple multiple reports, police did nothing.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: My blood is boiling right now. I'm mad, I'm upset.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Here the police pissed me off in this case, to
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: say the least.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: They did, finally, though, after multiple reports, finally execute a
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: search warrant on pazzus Who's home. On February twenty third,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: twenty ten. Police knocked on the door. Police answered, Orry
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Pezuzu answered, and the police explained the warrant and they
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: wanted to its property. They apparently brought in cadaver dogs
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: searched the premise and came up empty handed.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Really, yep, that's shocking. Unless he knew this was going
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: to happen, So.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Rumors continued to spread amongst a group of friends and followers,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: and of course the town. Then a few months later,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: in June of twenty ten, Pazuzu took the life of
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: someone else. Thirty year old Joseph Chandler was a legally
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: blind man who was walking his regular route to go
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: to the store when Pezuzu and his friend Nicholas Rizzi,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: I think is how you say his name is? Rizzy
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: began a conversation with Joseph. Now it's unknown why, but
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Joseph got in the car with the two men and
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: proceeded to drive, and they proceeded to drive him to
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Yadkin River, North Carolina. At the water's edge, Nicholas tried
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: to shoot Joseph in the head with a shotgun. However,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: it jammed, so he went back to the car, grabbed
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: a different gun, walked up to Joseph and shot him
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: in the head before he was even able to light
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: his own cigarette.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Like they shot the man that was blind? Yes, like
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: why that is just.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Like not okay, No, just someone they don't even know.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: They just had a conversation with, brought him in their car,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: drove him off to a river, popped him in the head,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: not even just shot him in the head. They tried
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: to shoot him in the head, the gun was faulty.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: They grabbed a different gun and then shot him.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: They did he know what was going on? I wonder?
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: I don't think so.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, for the love of God, these people are just
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: pieces of shit.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so from this, Nicholas Rizzi or Rizzy, how are
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: you the fuck you say his name? Pleaded guilty to
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: involuntary manslaughter, not murder, not like fucking premeditated first murdered.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: That it should be because remember he walked back to
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: the car, grabbed a differnt gun, and then went over
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: and shot him. So he pleaded guilty to involuntary manslaughter
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: and was sentenced to thirteen months in pre.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Wow wow wow wow bullshit.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, your your blood's gonna boil here on this one.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: It already is. Man, I need another rice, coffee.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Maybe a bottle of wine.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Pazuzu, on the other hand, had to go undergo psychiatric
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: evaluation before sending trial. He was found competent to do so,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: but psychiatrists who who interviewed him said that he was schizophrenic,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: agoraphobic and had severe alcoholism.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that we already know. There was some serious.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Stuff messed up with and the full psychiatric report was
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: actually accidentally leaked to the public, so the police, the psychiatrist, everyone,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: It shows what they already know about him. They already
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: know his mental state all going back from him being
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: put in to mental institutions at the age of eight,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: having substance abuse from thirteen when his mum was buying
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: a beer and everything his whole history, and the police
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: have known this like he needed help, yeah, and they
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: haven't done anything and are going to continue to do
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: nothing because he was only charged with accessory after the
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: fact of involuntary manslaughter where he received five years probation,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: didn't even see jail time. Wow, just a slap on
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: the wrist for premeditation of killing someone or at least,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: I mean guess being an accomplice of it.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Keep it, Does Josh come up again? Or no?
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, good because I'm like, I'm not done with that yet.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: No, We've got this is while we are talking about Pezuzu.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: This is Josh's story predominantly. Okay, So the probation didn't
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: really change Pezuzu's attitude. He just tried to convince his
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: friends and stuff to do more drugs and sex and everything.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: And at one party, he actually tried to convince his
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: one specific friend, Matt Flowers, who was in the documentary,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: to murder some other dude that was at the party.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: He just wanted to just up and kill this dude.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Wow. I thought this place was a safe place supposed
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: to be. It's not safe to go there.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: It's safe of judgment, so you can do whatever the
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: fuck you want.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, oh my gosh.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Matt thankfully is a pretty good guy. He's ex military,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: fairly respectable. He took this guy out of the house
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: and told him He's like, you got to get out
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: of here. PEZZUZI wants me to kill you.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, get the fuck out.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: So that's last time Matt said he ever saw that guy.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: He was gone, oh, good, good, good good.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: I like this, So props to Matt right there. Now,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Matt had previously reported Pazuzu and his stories of the
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: body in the backyard. But like I said, they executed
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: a search warrant. I think it's really done, didn't find anything,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: blah blahlah blah, and more and more report to still
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: pouring in over the years. And this is a few
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: years later down the road. This is happening now. So
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Matt he's like, we got to get through the authority.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: So he goes in, and him being ex military, actually
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: had some weight. He specifically talked to investigators and they
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: were like, holy shit, like we have an ex military
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: guy here, like someone who's fairly respectable, someone who might
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: have some rapport, Like, we got to listen to this.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: So another search warrant was executed on October of twenty fourteen,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: and this time they found what they were looking for.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: A body in the backyard. How the heck would it got? Okay, sorry,
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: I'll let you keep going.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: By the fire pit. In the backyard, they found a
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: shallow grave with one body and another second grave near
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: the corner of the house.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: How did he get missed that first time?
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Then? I don't know.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: I'm so confused.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: It could have been maybe just because the overwhelming stench.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Investigators say, the moment you're like in the porch, you
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: are just hit with ammonia and piss. It just Greek.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: So I mean, it could have been that just rank smell.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Could have been throwing the cadaver dogs off the house itself,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: fucking smells of death. Anyways, I don't know.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: True, that's interesting though, That's so interesting.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I didn't go into a lot on what
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: they did to Josh because I just I feel bad
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: for Josh a lot. Yeah, some of the stuff he
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: endured was being locked up in the basement for multiple days.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Holy shit, he was starved for that whole time. He
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: was eventually shot multiple times. He was left rotting in
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: the basement for a while while Pezuzu covered his body
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: in cat litter and bleached to oh like when he
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: was dead, when he was dead, to just cover up
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: the smell. He was eventually dismembered and buried in the backyard.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's a lot, yeah, I yeah, this is
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: why we need to probably film some of our podcasts.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: As my reaction is, I don't even know what to
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: say about. What the fuck?
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: So Josh was one of the bodies found. One of
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: the other remains belonged to a man named Tommy Welsh.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Tommy was a working class family man who is struggling
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: to do his best, and it disappeared three months after
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Josh was last seen. He was walking to meet up
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: with his brother and somewhere along the road he met
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: up with Pezuzu in one of his fiances, Amber Birch,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: and just like that he was gone.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: So then it's like he just likes killing people. Really,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: some of these things, like two of them are just
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: these people are just it's like almost you're in the
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: wrong place at the wrong time.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: It's ray. He just he liked death. He liked killing.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: He tried to convince a lot of people to do
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: killing for him, and he roped a lot of people
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: to be part of things like burying the bodies, for example,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: digging matt are I don't think it was mad. It
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: was another one in the documentary, another one of Pezusu's
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: friends said he was there and like no one's taking
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: seriously about him, saying he killed someone or anything. Yeah,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: but he's like yeah, He's like he had me at
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: like knife point at one point he's like, you're gonna
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: help me bury this hole or dig this hole, I'm
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: gonna kill you. He's like, I don't know what the
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: hole was for. He just made me dig a hole
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: with them.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I can't believe that this, Like he just
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: is like the epitome of a piece of shit.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, and like fucking trash.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Getting away with all this disgusting stuff as he's boy
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: in my mind.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: But this is the one part where I think he's
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: smart because he's really playing the town against him, building
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: that fear. Right, anyone who does come to his house
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: trying to escape the religious view or the harsh aspects
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: on their lifestyle, they're coming to him. They already have that.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: They know the town's fearful of this guy. And then
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: he's being nice to them, nice and nice to them.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: But when it comes time he needs something like helping
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: bury you fucking body. Yep, you are fearful of him,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: and you're going to listen and now you're an accomplice
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: and you're not gonna talk. Holy So he's really good
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: with that little manipulation tactic. I think, yeah, though it's
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: not a good smart but he played his fucking asshole
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: trash hands to his advantage. Yes, no kidding, Okay, now
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: where am I at here? Okay? So Pazuzu at the
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: time was thirty five and Amber Birch was then twenty four.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: They were each charged with one count of murder and
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: one count of accessory after the fact of murder. A
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: third person, Crystal Mattlocke, which was another one of Pezuzu's fiances,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: which charged in connection with the death of one person
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: whose body was found at the Clements house. She was
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: accused of Clement's house. Why do I have that name
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: in there? Must have been a last name or something
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: from an article that I missed it. But it was
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Pazuzu's house. Maybe that's Cynthia's last name. I think I'm
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: just forgetting. Anyways, it was Pezuzu's residence. I think got
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Cynthia's last name. Anyways, she was accused of helping bury
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: one of the bodies the fiance. One of the fiances yeap.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Did she more than one at a time.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he had like four or five fiances.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I almost feel like I could just volmit,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: he's just wait to you, like.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Look at this guy.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know if I discussed it.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: So. Amber was charged and sentenced in twenty seventeen to
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: a total of thirty years and eight months to thirty
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: nine years and two months in prison. Good Crystal. Matt Locke,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: who is basically just helped bury a body, right, was
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: charged and sentenced in twenty seventeen to between two to
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: sorry three to five years in prison.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: That's not very much.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, she didn't kill anyone. She was just kind
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: of accessory, helped burr your body. It's not a good
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: thing to do.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Still, she probably did more shit.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Than we now probably Opah Zuzu. There's his one friend,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Matt Flower on there. He's like, Pazuzu was killed more
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: than the two bodies. Oh yeah, He's like, I'm pretty
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: sure the bodies his body count is upwards of like fifteen.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Serious.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: He's like, he's probably killed like fifteen sixteen people.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Pazuzu was due to appear in court on October twenty fifteen.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: A year after the bodies were found, when he was
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: discovered in his cell on responsive he took his own life.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Good. I don't know if he would be happy about that,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: but I was like, okay.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Plause maybe yay golf plap. Due to his mental health,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: he was supposed to be on suicide watch but was somehow,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: but somehow, he managed to still go through with his suicide.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: He was found with a substantial wound on the inside
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: of his elbow down to the artery, which led him
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: to bleeding out. Now, this is one part that's up
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: for speculation. Now, there were no reports, it's available which
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: on what caused the injury to help him commit suicide. Okay,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: there were no instruments in there that could really help
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: him with the injury, and like, why the fuck was
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: he not being watched like sphosty Right, the only real
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: tool that he probably had was an electric razor, which
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: even still, it's like, you're not gonna be able to
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: cut down your yeah with that, Like there's no fucking
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: way even if you take the guard off, take that
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: metal plate off, like just.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: No, oh, so he might have been murdered.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: Uh No, that's not what people mostly think. Ready, for this.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I also have something to say, but
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: I'll wait, I'm waiting.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: I'll go ahead say it.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: No, go ahead, okay.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: The common assumption was that he used something sharp that
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: he already had, his tooth. He used his sharpened teeth
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  Speaker 1: to bite and chew down to his artery to kill himself.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, I'm just gonna leave that visual sit
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  Speaker 1: there for a second. Just let that step Oh no.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So just wait what I was gonna say.
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  Speaker 2: It's like I'm not happy he killed himself, and it's
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: because he had mental health issues, which is like terrible
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  Speaker 2: and like he really needed help and I feel like
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  Speaker 2: deeply sorry for that. But he also was like a
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: terrible person. Oh yes, like a terrible person and in
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: a sense needed to die.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. It's it's a combination of he had some
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: serious mental issues, yeah, and he's just straight up fucking trash.
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  Speaker 2: But I just need to say, like I do think
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  Speaker 2: mental health is like a serious thing, and like he
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  Speaker 2: did need help, and I do feel like deeply sorry
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: for that, but like he's gross, like because he just
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: did too many bad things to just like yesh.
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  Speaker 1: Like he he has been on medication, but he's still
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: he just he just wants to kill people. Yeah, it's
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: not like he's like I have like voices in my
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: head telling me to kill people. He's like, I want that.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Peron Also I think is an evil person, yes for sure,
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: so holy So he's just in his cell like gnawn
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  Speaker 2: down this freaking arm.
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  Speaker 1: So that's why a lot of people say, like his
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  Speaker 1: mom failed him, because I mean that mental health thing
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  Speaker 1: that you're saying, she could have maybe helped prevent it,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: could have gotten.
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  Speaker 2: At earlier age.
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  Speaker 1: She might have helped this trash person aside from this
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: mental health grow into who he was. Yeah, the police
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  Speaker 1: system fucking failed him because they knew of his fucking
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: mental health is psychiatric. Everything, nothing was ever done. It
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: was left for him to grow into the fucking shit
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  Speaker 1: person he is.
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  Speaker 2: Because imagine, at like eight years old, if he was, say,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: admitted into somewhere that could help him, Like, the outcome
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: of all this could have been completely different. Really, it
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: totally could have. Yeah, well not necessarily if he was
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: actually truly rooted evil or whatever, but it but it
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: could have helped.
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  Speaker 1: Could have. Now Pauzuzu's home was condemned and after the
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: second search warrant was executed, he was arrested. The house
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: was then deemed unfit for habitation.
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  Speaker 2: Oh percent, I can imagine.
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  Speaker 1: Locals literally pulled up lawn chairs to watch the demolition
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  Speaker 1: of this house.
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  Speaker 2: Really yeah, Like it was like it was like an event.
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  Speaker 2: It was like grab your popcorn.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like going out to see the monster
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  Speaker 1: truck rally or see fireworks or something like. It's yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they were like, let's fucking watch this go down.
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  Speaker 2: Well, just so like thankful that it's putting me over.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Now. I said, I was going to touch on the dogs,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: the eight dogs.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I forgot about the doggies.
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  Speaker 1: Of the eight dogs taken from the home of Pazuzu,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: seven were eventually euthanized due to health or behavior, and
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: one dog was in the adoption program for some time
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  Speaker 1: and did find a new home. So now Pazuzu, officially
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  Speaker 1: on record, is at least partially responsible or fully responsible
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  Speaker 1: for the death of three people. And I just want
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: to say seven dogs and I don't know how many rabbits. Yeah,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: also potentially up to another like fifteen other people through rumors.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: And other animals too, because it was never for sure
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: it was just rabbits.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he he killed a lot of people, and
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: he killed a lot of animals alongside that brutal Now,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: final note on this, I said a touch on Satanism
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: as well. So real Satanists actually do not worship the devil.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: I just want to throw that out there. In fact,
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: they're atheists. They place emphasis on empathy, compassion, They strive
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: for justice, knowledge seeking and using science to guide their beliefs.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: They teach self love and only use Satan as a
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: metaphor to show the irony in religion and worshiping idols.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: So if you actually talk to a real Satanist, they
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: do not worship Satan. If you are talking to someone
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: who worships Satan, they are not a Satanist. They are
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: just an asshole.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Okay. I hadn't no idea of the definitions and stuff.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: So there you go. Really, that is the story of Josh.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: Basically, glease Zuzu alchorod to sum it up, Pazuzu is
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: an asshole.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Pazuzu is an asshole.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: That sums up this whole case. Yes, if you skip
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: to the end, that's all you need to know.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Now there's some more stories woven in between there like
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: some of Pazuzu's acquaintances throughout this time. Like I said,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Matt Flowers is in it in the documentary, I highly
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: recommend you go watch The Devil, you know, the Vice documentary.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Uh I watch it on YouTube. I'll link it down below,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: but I believe it's also on Amazon Prime. Oh so
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: you guys can check that out. Highly highly recommend it.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Any source that I've found, generally their source for information
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: was this documentary.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: How long is it?
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Though it's a five part documentary document series?
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: Is it like each an hour?
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Each episode I believe is about forty minutes?
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, huh yeah, you really want to dive real deep.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Into this shit, and it's one that you can dive
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: super deep into.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: I could imagine super deep. Yeah, super deep, super super
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: So Matt Flowers is fine though he never got like
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: in jail or anything because he was helping.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe you'll have to just watch the rest of
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: the documentary.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: If you want to kind of like him, but not.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Matt Flowers is a good guy.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I'm like, am I wrong to like him?
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Okay? Well, I guess with that we need to make
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: sure that we Uh, we gotta do our outro because
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: we don't have the music.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: Oh what is the outro?
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: I got it? I got it. Okay you you say
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: the stay Wicked part. I'll do the outro. Okay, ready, ready, okay, okay.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Guys, appreciate you being here in this
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: weird episode where we have no intro outro, but of course,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: make sure you guys stay wicked.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: Do do do? Do do?
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: How do I do? Dan yell it?
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know