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• Kim Bobbitt: I know you guys came to see ⁓ LateNet, but he's just muted. He's in timeout. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just a fault in their heads. He he didn't he didn't give us a good enough explanation for this particular video, so we're just putting him in timeout. He's in timeout, he can't talk. So let's just hang hang out with me and B. All right, all right. ⁓ Okay, we should probably get started. Okay. Voice notes after dark, episode ten. Can you believe it be? Ten episodes. And we have wait, you do not know this yet. We hit a thousand streams this week. We're so excited. That took a lot that that was like a big deal for us. And it's your anniversary this week, right, Late? Yeah, that's that's that's right. It's my first VA anniversary. So I'm really I'm really glad. Thank you for having me. Yeah, Late Nut everybody. Happy voice anniversary, Late. We're so happy to have you. And you hit two K on on Instagram too, right? Yeah, that's true. It was like I think a day before. Or two days before, so incidence, I think. Very, very exciting week. Lots of good things happening. ⁓ so we are so excited to have you. As you saw from our promo, ⁓ you are the number one requested guest by a mile. So everyone wanna chew up why please. You know. Yeah, I do. I just do Yeah you do The first fuck off of the day. Fuck off you know why. Fuck off you know why. Fuck off. Turn eleven, keep fucking off. ⁓ my god. Yeah, you know why. But you know what? It's okay because that's why we're here. It's good. We love it. I'm really glad. So I'm here with you. We're so glad. And I really do appreciate, you know, ⁓ you being here and taking the time to chat with us because ⁓ we are just a lowly little podcast who just started and ⁓ so I appreciate you taking time out with us. So absolutely I'm really, really happy that you invited me. So thank you. We're excited. Welcome to the chaos. So welcome to the chaos. Welcome to the Voice Notes family. So as soon as you've been here, you're never leaving, just so you know. You're part of the family now. So you know, just get used to us. We'll be in your whether you like it or not. Yeah. Sorry. That's fine. so So am I like a husband now or something? You're in you you're in the family. Okay. You're in the family. Whether or not you become husband will d we'll we'll let you know at the end of the ⁓ at the end of the depends how angry we are at you. Yeah. Yeah. No, we very much treat our podcast as a family. We very much want we love having you guys here. We'd love to chat. We ⁓ love to have we're gonna have some very silly questions to ask you, so just be ready for that. But we will do a little bit of serious stuff first. Okay. But we just kind of are silly by nature. ⁓ there's Momo. ⁓ I the And one thing you'll Momo is ⁓ is our producer slash co host. She will make lots of appearances while we're talking. I absolutely love kitty, so you know whenever I see her kitty and just say, ⁓ kitty. I know, she's very, very cute. I gotta say hello. Say hello. Hold on, I gotta get peach. ⁓ Beautiful baby. You tolerate me, don't you? If you do, you tolerate me. ⁓ kitty. I know Peach is so cute, isn't she? ⁓ yeah, beautiful. There's fairly And I have mine kitties locked, so they don't start to like run and and meow. But I would love to show you. They do have an unhealthy attachment to microphones. They see a microphone and they're like, I need my hair all over that. Especially in pop filters. Between your kitties and our kitties is they know how dirty we are, so we don't have to hide them. Yeah, mine are pretty much My cat just just thinks, Whoa, you're going off on one again. I'll just be here. Okay. ⁓ Alrighty. So, cats have been introduced, ⁓ husbands have been asked, and I think we're ready to get started. So Well go through a little bit of your journey into what you're doing now late. So how did you decide to start doing voice acting in general? In general. So I started on Reddit and it was coincidence because a person I knew ⁓ was asked to to do it, to start ⁓ being a voice actress. And I was curious because in Poland it's something I wouldn't say taboo or niche because it's basically not existent. I know a one girl who's from another city but she's hiding that she's f that she's from Poland. I don't know why. ⁓ but basically it's like it doesn't exist here. And I was curious because I didn't really know anything about Audio Rotika before. And I was watching, I was observing, and then I thought, like, why not? I can I can try that. ⁓ especially that in real life before I've heard that I have quite nice voice, so why not to try? ⁓ and yeah, and I gave it a shot. I was looking for my first script and yeah, it was just me sitting in my living room with the phone under the hoodie and it sound awful. So I doubt it's awful. ⁓ trust me. That must have been extremely uncomfortable. It was but hilarious to see from the outside. Yeah, ⁓ it was weird because that was not acting at all. It was just ringing and but it was very genuine. It was like, you know, the first thing. You just want to sound really good and you want to make it as best as you can. And it sound Like shit, but it was genuine and I'm really proud of ⁓ that leap of faith, if I can say that. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. It absolutely it takes that. It takes a leap of faith. Yeah. It's a big thing just to start. Yeah, I mean I started with Safe for Work Audios and I was doing them for a few months. I'm not sure why I never started with not safer work. Maybe I wasn't comfortable enough. Yeah. Or maybe that like my whole idea for it was to mm bring comfort to people. Because I saw Gonewild Oreo, like millions of people and thousands of Oreos while say for work, comforting Oreos or sleep aids were I wouldn't call it niche again, but definitely not not enough of them. And I always thought that Maybe my voice could bring someone I don't know, like ⁓ when you have a bad day at work, yeah, and you're going home and you listen to something that will calm you down and comfort you and put you to sleep. That's that's something. That would be harder than driving in audios. We've already had this problem. After like ⁓ I think a few audios I was start I started to getting DMs and and then I realized that it's not just me reading or then maybe a little bit of acting but it came like later. it was actually something that worked. And ⁓ there were people who told me that my voice helped them in really shitty days or actually helped them sleep. And it was like a boost to me. So I I was doing pretty much one or two audio a week. So that was like a lot. Mm but then like around January I think I I did my first not safe at work audio, which was bilingual as well. Because me being from Poland I think that's something not common in a way. So I thought that I'll use that and I'll keep talking in Polish and use my accent. I I don't even hear my accent if there is any. ⁓ I mean, I think that's fair. I don't hear mine. Yeah. Yeah, me and Kim have this conversation all the time. Like she's the one with the accent. And I first saw it was a little rough because it was like degrading and that was fucked up. But I'm proud of that. It was like another leap of faith. And then I I started to realise ⁓ that Reddit community without like being offensive or anything, it's ⁓ consumers only. So they kinda treat their VAs like vending machines without coins. Because it's free. Because you're not making thousands of audios. And then ⁓ they don't really care. about anything, they just listen. They do their job, if there is any job to do, and they just go away. So there is no not even bothered to take a few fucking seconds to comment that okay, I like this audio, nothing else. Or even click the up vote. There was nothing. There was ⁓ no appreciation whatsoever. Obviously I had like a a little fan base that I've created or Or just had, but that was it. And sometimes Reddit is really ungrateful in terms of censorship and other things. And also it's a place where it can be a little scary for people when you're not there enough. Umiding for sure. Yeah, in a way. And there are also sub Reddits with audios that should be definitely banned. And I mean I I would never kink shame anything, but I've heard some audios that should be a bit more than disturbing. I mean there are people who listen to other things but yeah. So that's that. And there I mean there have been like times when 'cause I still the rules in England about porn consumption has changed a lot. And I think it was in like two thousand and eleven or something. they'd ⁓ made it illegal to watch any kind of porn that had any depiction of harm and that included like hand around the throat stuff and so I'm like I when I like have a look on Reddit I'm like mm, I wonder how many of these if I actually clicked on them I might be put in jail. And the things for the knife plays or stuff like that is It's pretty mild to Yeah, I think that's illegal here as well. Yeah. I mean I did I did that too, like a dark romance audio with ⁓ kidnapping and knife play and I use a real knife. I think it's I think it's dangerous too to lump all of that together because obviously there is a difference between a kink and something that is actually harmful. And a lot of that stuff is not harmful as long as it's you know, it's a it's a safe place to consume that kind of thing. So it's very, very harmful to lump all of those things together 'cause it just it just keeps those thoughts going that there's something wrong with that in the first place. And so Yeah, I mean having a having like especially on Gone Wild, having a safe for work kind of pillow talk and then The one immediately below it is the Yeah. Yeah. Something I can't I don't even think I can say. It's it's quite jarring. Yeah. You can't really put any like filter on the main page, so you don't see particular audios. ⁓ yeah. So there are a lot like a lot of things that need to be changed, but the platform itself I think doesn't allow that really. Yeah. And how do that's I it's good that the it's good that they're they're quite strict on tax, aren't they? So It is good that you know what you're getting. Yeah. And tags are really important to do and ⁓ to put ⁓ fair tags to like fitting tags to audios. I mean that's very ⁓ moderated and that's very like see through. Mm because if there is no tag that ends with ape, for example. ⁓ it's immediately banned. So that's like one thing, but you can't really exclude a certain audio from from the main page that you like to see. Yeah, that's and that's I think that's more a fault of Reddit, isn't it? 'Cause despite it seeming like a big community thing, it's very much not a community thing. Is it? ⁓ yeah, I mean it can look like it is. ⁓ but like again, I again like I would never want to shame any kind of platform, but there are definitely things that Reddit need to improve or do. And yeah, so that's the thing. And then I took a fair leap of faith. So I started my account on Instagram. And I think that was the best choice I could ever do. And I'm really glad that I'm here. Yeah. Instagram's where you find your people. It's where I found my people. It's where I found B. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I think it's definitely ⁓ it's definitely more of a community. you definitely get that that community feeling whenever you meet people on Instagram. And that's one thing that you I mean I've noticed just just having followed you for the time that I have is that you are very big on community. You very much emphasize, you know, the people that support you and you thank them and you, you know, really try to reach out to people. And I just think that's that's a really ⁓ it's really good thing to do. It's difficult also though, you are putting yourself out there a lot for people. And I I d I I just think it's something to be admired that you're that you put yourself out there for people as much as you do. Yeah, I think that's something that I missed on Reddit. That was one of the decisions, one of the ⁓ reasons I am here, where I am. ⁓ because here it feels closer. So Like you don't have like a big forum that you can see everybody's answers, everybody's comments on, for example, one topic. But this community is pretty close because there are like a lot of mutual follows and people people know each other in a way. And I think that we all need a little bit uplifting sometimes. And I know how Audio erotica can be a healing place. People think that it's just sometimes a porn audio and show it's one of the things, but not like not quite and not enough and not in like the whole it's not the whole picture. And I realize after I met so many wonderful people here that it's it's a community that you can be seen, you can be cherished, you can be desired. you can you can heal from the things that happen to you in real life and you can heal from things that happen online as well. And it's it's beautiful that so many people share the same interest and we can be feral as fuck, but always trying to be safe. And ⁓ yeah that's that's something that that's why I opened my Patreon. And that's why I was lucky to meet so many wonderful people and create the community that is like I said for Os Fa and I know they listen to it but also extremely respectful and that's how I think it should look. And also like being here, it allows me like to interact with people and it's always genuine. ⁓ like I wouldn't bother myself to talk with people who don't like me or I don't like them because I'm just a human. And it's always genuine, it's always amazing. And like the constant flow of ⁓ clips or photos or visuals or stories, it just fucking drives you. And that's why I'm putting myself and despite having I don't know, I I never maybe I'm lucky. I know a lot of VAs who've had really bad experiences also on Instagram with certain people. I think I'm lucky that I never encountered that. I mean obviously there were some mean or rude comments, but that's fine. I'm I was moderator for many places, so I'm fucking used to that. ⁓ so it doesn't bother me. But like overall, I was pretty lucky that I never encountered any major bad things, I guess. So yeah. That's good. 'Cause that is a worry, isn't it? Like especially when you're new in the space, you don't know like anyone what to look out for until it's too late a lot of the time. After I started to post some clips and things, but and I'm really, really grateful to to these people that warned me ⁓ before a certain people. But it it can be a trap because you don't know and not everybody share the things that happened before. So it can be tricky. It can be something that's we've been through that ourselves. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's hard, especially because it's in this space it feels less like networking and more like building a community. And when it feels like it's building a c community, it becomes upsetting and jarring when stuff like this happens, like ⁓ there are actually people that have less than good intentions with what they're doing here. Yeah, that's true. And ⁓ like you said, it's definitely feels more like building a community. ⁓ which is quite the opposite of what what's basically happening on Reddit. You never I never felt any kind of connection, if I can say that with other people or other people commenting my audio or stuff like that. While here maybe it's ⁓ a part of that that you can make a visual here. So as much as someone want to share something as a visual, it just brings another dimension to to that. That's why I started to make a little first trap. I mean I started on Reddit, but it was just a hand. Yes. Kim Kim would like a word with you about one of those. Yeah, I would like a word with you, sir, about your little post the other day. Are you kidding me? Was it the other day or was it like last week? No, it was it more than we And then there was the one you did like a couple of weeks ago where ⁓ you mean the one that actually drained all the blood from my entire body and I got very dizzy. And I had to like I had to like have a handful of salt to replenish what the fuck happened. All I did was look and then I was like, Kim, I don't think my blood's in my body anymore. So I saw it. Yes. And I said B. I B, you need to watch this. She goes, why? Without any warning, by the way. Just ⁓ watch this. ⁓ my god. I wish I could. I should have recorded it. I should have recorded I mean I'm just a baby. I mean, you're just a baby. Yeah, sure, sure. ⁓ yeah. Sure, sure, sure, sure. Uh-huh. Well, I think that one of the things that women are very good at for the most part, is, you know, identifying things that are safe and things that make us feel safe. And you as a person do. And your personality, the way that you com you know, conduct yourself, the way that you do things, makes people feel safe. And I think when people feel safe, they feel like it's okay for them to be a little bit more feral or a little bit, you know, crazier about things. And I love that. And it's like you your personality, the way that you present yourself very much does kind of put out that that vibe of, you know, of of being safe. And so when you put out something like that where a lot of people would go, ⁓ my God, what is going on? All of the people who are actually are fans of you are just like, ⁓ my God, here he goes again you know, just kinda like Instead of you know another thing, just fuck off. That's another one. Just fuck off. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ Yeah. But I think that's fun. I love that. I think that also like something that I was was, is and will be always needed in such communities. ⁓ because Audio Erotica, I mean, we are not fucking Boy Scouts with the cookies. So I think that caring for for fans, for listeners, for everybody, it's important enough to always makes them ⁓ to never make them uncomfortable. So whenever I do something, it's not like a borderline porn. It's always like a teasing, I think. so I never wanted to be like vulgar in a way. I always wanted to make some kind of artistic cinematic vibe, I don't know. I don't know if I succeeded at it but I hope so. I think the best ones are ones where you wa you watch it and you think how fucking dare you? The absolute audacity of you to post this when I am the one just pushing them. And then it's like nine hours long and you're like what happens? Yeah, you're just like how many Yeah, but also yeah, like you said that creating like a safe environment where like there cannot be furlough without safe. was all the Absolutely not. Not for women. Yeah, definitely not. And I like there was a little a fuck up of one of the Reddit VAs, ⁓ Adam J. I don't know if I can like say the full words of him. ⁓ it happened here and it was it was commented there was a lot of bad things And I I recorded an audio. Mm and I think that was like something that made a lot of people hear about me. ⁓ because there is no really a way that you can push yourself ⁓ to be heard. It's not like on Reddit where you put your audio and it's just v viewed by millions of people. was something that gave me a lot of thinking of how women are never safe enough here and how how women are not appreciated enough. ⁓ because there is so many screen script writers and there is so many editors and there is so many moderators and there is so many wonderful girls who make art and just edit and ⁓ all make the graphics and visuals and stuff like that. But ⁓ like I don't want to like piss at myself, but pretty much I don't know if you agree with me. ⁓ There is a circling around my OVAs. It was they are being talked about. ⁓ they're being listened and ⁓ there is also like a lot of forgetfulness about ⁓ a woman who stands behind them and that's fucked up and that's sad and unfair. And that's why I always try to uplift my fans because without them, without Who listen to me and just fuck with who talked to himself. So there there is like something that always tricks. I love that you just said that word. I love that you just said that word. That is one of my favorite words ever in the world ever. Yeah, I used it a lot. I mean I talk with people from Yorkshire, so you know. ⁓ well that's yeah, okay. Yeah, all right. Fair enough. ⁓ Yorkshire. Yeah. So mm yeah, I I I really genuinely wanted to create something I don't know, safe. Safe and for all. Yeah. Yeah, I mean definitely have. I mean you have the amount of times No, keep going. Go B, go. Say. Got me ⁓ okay. I thought I thought. Alright, okay. Well what was I saying? Jeez. Well I w I'll just say I I Yes, please from the people who I've talked to ⁓ who you have such an amazing reputation just among the community of ladies that I talk to as far as your Patreon, your you know, the f you know, your communication is is always, you know, respectful but always fun. so you have a wonderful reputation in the community as far as that goes. So you're doing your job. You're doing what you set out to do. Yeah, 'cause in r in Reddit there's always like a little thing. If I haven't heard of the person before, I will immediately go to the comments and There are two things that I look for. One, either like when people comment, it's ⁓ thank you so much for enjoying it or I really appreciate it or I like I'm glad like thank you for commenting. Or it's I can make you my good girl. And it's like, ⁓ no, thank you. That no, no, that no one that'd be dumb. No responding to them like that. Yeah. I've saw that so many times. ⁓ and yeah, I think that also ⁓ when I started that I never wanted to create any kind of persona or an outlet. Like it also like happened a lot with other voice actors, voice actress, mm that they they are they want to be a little different than in real life. They create a little space for them and they They roleplay it, I think, sometimes. But it's just it's just yeah, it's just me. It's easier for you to just be yourself. Yeah, that's the thing. I don't have to pose or pretend. I mean you can always notice. And sweet. So you know what? Fucking seriously. Yeah. And you're a cat dad. I mean, what the fuck? And you're a cat dad. ⁓ That's a green flag as fuck. Yeah. You're like a walking green flag. I hate that. Yeah, I love my kitties. How dare you? One of them is complete asshole, but I love the second one. One of them has to be complete asshole. That's why we love ⁓ I fed them before the podcast. ⁓ So did I 'cause she otherwise she'd be yelling at me right now. Yeah. She's so mad. ⁓ my god, I wish she'd been fed like five times today, but she knew I was getting ready to do something. So she kept like yelling at me and every time I moved she'd run into the kitchen. I just ⁓ I like, you know what? Fuck off, fine, fine, fine. Just don't be sick. I think that my kitties are having like a wet, ⁓ wet food. It's basically I feed them twice a day. And morning and evening with the wet food. And somewhere between that, ⁓ like I know, dry dry food, it's called. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And then I have one of those like automatic feeders that spits out dry food for peach. That's why she's like nine thousand dollars. Yeah, I was thinking about it, but I don't really have ⁓ a place where the Yeah, that's the thing, yeah. And they would just do Yeah, and they would just keep pressing and it would just go and go and go and go. Yeah. It's bad. It's real bad. It's real bad. Don't do it. So how you've done quite a few scripts. what do you look for in a script whenever you're trying to find something to take on? What really stands out to you? Yeah, I I was always picky, I think, in a way with the scripts both on Reddit and and here and and and yeah. What I was always looking for is react to a script like that. If somebody would read it to me, would I like it? And ⁓ I would always try to exclude the voice. So it just you know pure reading. If I find it interesting, if I find it sexy, if I find it comforting, if also I find it a script that allows you to Give something of yourself to improvise because th I always try to improvise a little bit. Not every scriptwriter is okay with that, especially on Reddit. But I always try to to add, you know, a little a little nudge of myself. I always try to like add a few Polish words or just some breeding or stuff like that. So I always try to mm find a script that like talked to me in a way and ⁓ I think I succeeded because I think that scripts that I always picked were pretty fine. And they were funny and they were sexy and they were nice and they were comforting. And then I started to write on my own. I mean I w didn't call it writing because I never actually did ⁓ like a full length full script with monologue. I was I I did a lot of narratives. Because I when I talk to myself it's just easier for me. So and that's why I always write in Polish because ⁓ it's just easier for me. Yeah. And then I can actually see if it works in English. Because Polish is much more complex than English. And sometimes we have just two words that cannot be explained without using two sentences in English. So I have to like put it on different kind of understanding and level, I think. I don't know. Yeah. And also me not being native. ⁓ sometimes it's just I struggle with English as well. Yeah. Yeah we're big word nerds. Yeah so we And I struggle with English. Yeah. But so is I say that we're big word nerds. Is there anything about this space and audio in general that you like really geek out? about that like you really love to like dive into and get nerdy about. hm. I think that I mean the space that we are right now doesn't really really Or audio in general or anything, yeah. Yeah, I fucking love dark romance audios and I definitely want to get more into that. I hope you get the right people. Yeah. ⁓ yeah, I know. I mean I did ⁓ one really, really dark and one that was basically like a C and C and Dapcon. Mm but I will definitely I may it might or might not or might be in pr in preparation that I'm gonna do like a full length dark romance audios because the one that I did was improv. So it was also like a kind of lip of face. Mm because I never did anything like that. You just said you improved and she did the thing Well thing anyway. The thing where she's immediately pissed off at you Yeah, so definitely I want to get more into that. Mm but both You're gonna make me yell at you. Instagram or ⁓ Magic Wave doesn't allow like a really, really dark audio. Like you know, the knife play and ⁓ And Patreon's also very No, but also Patreon decides in very strange ways. Like it's the amount of VAs that have just been like, well, Patreon's gone down again and I can't be asked to get it back up, so I'm just starting it like myself. I mean there are like some things and you can work around, like ⁓ skipping tags or like changing tags. But at the same time you shouldn't have to do that. Yeah, so I don't lie to your audience. I just I just post them on my Discord. So that's fine. And that's how Yeah, that's what a few VAs do. It's it's just easier. I mean it ⁓ it like cuts the public from it. But that's fine. That's fine with me. And I mean Reddit was a place where I could post them, but ⁓ I'm I mean I'm modding the Pelotok audio mm subreddit, but I'm not really dropping any kind of audio there anymore. And I think it was the right call and I think that ⁓ will continue to be consistent, so I n I won't drop anything there. I think a lot of people are making that move. Yeah. ⁓ especially especially after the AI scraping or like sites or places where basically your audios are right now. And you can't really fight it because I sent a few emails to these let's call them companies and they are basically hostings and their clients are anonymous. So you can't Isn't it like isn't it In I don't know whether it's it's all of the EU, but like aren't isn't your voice now trademarkable? You can owe like you ha you can make sure that nobody can AI your voice because it belongs to you now and you can sue. I mean if like they they do anything. Most likely so, but they don't really give a fuck. It's like with pirating a movie. Who wants to go through And ⁓ there are scripts that are being stolen from writers. So and you can't really do ⁓ anything. So I I that's that was one of the reasons that I removed all my audios from Soundcasm because it it's a hosting of ⁓ of audios. But it it was e it's easy, it's very transparent and it's really super easy to use, but it's not protected in any way. Isn't I've heard lots of good things about audio chan though. Yeah, I have an account here, but ⁓ for some reason I always found it laggy in a way. And when I was like skipping like a fifteen, fifteen seconds and fifteen seconds, it was just got super laggy. So ⁓ I'm keeping all my audio on hot audio right now. ⁓ Yeah. Yeah. And it was also super easy to bulk import like over one hundred audio from Soundcasm without uploading them and without setting the tags, without ⁓ basically doing all that, it would take days. So you could just bulk import all audio from Soundcasm with the tags and stuff. It's awesome. Yeah, I mean, I would have just sat on my computer going, ⁓ my god. It still took a lot of effort, but ⁓ hot audio and audio channel much better protected. But I suppose it's also where they where they're hosted, like where their what's the word, Kim? The thing with the thing? Like their servers? Yeah, the the place where that the actually the stuff starts and goes p outward. Yeah, I mean it would it would be I think valid in terms of like legal stuff. ⁓ so w whether it's in European Union or outside or in one of the places that basically you can do whatever you want. But in terms of I think technical stuff, ⁓ it doesn't really matter where the where where the thing is hosted. And I assume that both AudioChen and Hot Audio hopefully not. I mean I saw subreddits that are basically trying to ⁓ use AI to ⁓ to create tools that will scrape audio from there too. And it will more I mean that's the thing isn't it I mean there is no way that you can protect Your audio, for example, like one hundred percent sure. There is no way to do it like you're even from Patreon. You're constantly catching it. Because Yeah. The thing is though, like it baffles me that people like companies are still pushing AI on us when everybody at this point knows that one of the best business marketing points is we hate AI. Yeah, we hate AI. ⁓ And we will make sure that we put a lot of effort into like trying to keep that shit out of us. And people would flock to them. Yeah, because it's just business. I mean, Meta and the they know that people hate AI. But ⁓ I think the static the statistic works on their favor because yeah, I mean like five percent hate AI and and then ninety five percent don't really give a single flying fuck. And the cost of ⁓ having let's say a f five hundred thousand moderators and just one fucking AI tool. It's different I think. I'm like I think that's the thing. I mean, it's only business for them. They don't really give a flying fuck about communities and people who are making friendships and stuff like that. It's something that works for them. Because ⁓ like a AI bot can flag a hundred thousand things in one minute. Well how many people you would need to review. ⁓ these many flags and like reports. Obviously, And the thing is though they don't even work. I mean they don't even work like Yeah. I have they work worse than bots that they don't they work worse than bots that existed before AI. Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. okay. So Like you do a lot of things every day to help other people be motivated or comforted or any of those types of things. What do you do when you struggle with motivation or how do you overcome that if you're having a bad day? I turn off my phone. I mean not really, I just like put it away. And then I I play on PS five and I go smoke. And then I go smoke again. And again. What what do you play on PS5? ⁓ Star Wars Outlaws currently. But I have like a queue of games that I want to play. And I'm waiting for GTA six. I already booked like a week off from work. ⁓ my god, is GTA six actually coming out now? It's coming out. Is that is that is that meme finally going to die? Yeah, it's like two months. Because it's going out on nineteenth of ⁓ and it looks amazing. It looks so yeah, you know, that's why I took a weekend off from work. They can fuck off, I'm gonna play. Hell yeah. I love that. That is priorities, my friend. That is priorities. And like w you know, reading books and I s also I yesterday or two days ago I started to reward Supernatural. Like how Dean and stuff. Yeah, I know. I love that. I love Supernatural so much. Such a good show. I think I haven't I only got up to like season eight. Mm-hmm. ⁓ the first time I st I stopped watching it after they ⁓ They went into into purgatory because it felt like they're losing the ideas and they're just pushing another villain, another villain and another, and then every single one is more ultimate. And then like there is another end of the world that it's just, you know, more end of the world than the previous one. And they're just, you know, dying and going fucking back and dying and going back. One up in each other. Yeah. But I think I stopped watching when that that redhead died. The what Charlie, I in A. Charlie, yeah. Mm-hmm. I think I was like, mm, nah, nah. I'm just gonna watch something else for a week and then my ADHD forgot it existed. Yeah, yeah. I mean, ⁓ so these are like ⁓ I don't know, just normal things I guess that just helped me to reset. But as much as I would like to sometimes just, you know, you know, I won't just log into Instagram or anything like that for a week. Well no, it's not gonna fucking happen. And just really ⁓ I mean, how do you balance that though? Like I mean I'm not like blinking three times, right? Or sending help. Yeah, right. But I'm fine. I just want to play my game. Yeah, something like that. I mean I don't know. Just every day write a story. Just like I'm still here. I am this far into my game. Yeah. See you tomorrow. I'm not dead, I'm just playing GTA. I mean they know that ⁓ like since nineteenth ⁓ November I will be much less online but never completely off. Because that's something that ⁓ I might be annoyed, I might be angry, I might be overwhelmed with whatever that could happen, but I'm always back. 'Cause I genuinely fucking enjoy that and I love talking to these people. I love I don't know, commenting and sharing things and just watching I don't know, some reels and just doom scrolling and watching silly shit. I just love it. I don't know. It just hooks me so bad. And I know that that's like that's the thing with these communities. it's not like They're really waiting for you, but there is so much happiness when you're there. And I'm so happy that I can talk to them, I can just see them and stuff. That is such an amazing way to put it. It's so true though. There's not many places that you can go where you know the people that you're gonna be talking to are love the same things that you love. And you don't have to cross those bat those barriers that you do with people in your real life or people or you don't have to go, I know you think it's dumb, but I really like the and it's like you don't have to do that because you know the people that you're talking to already enjoy the same thing you enjoy. And so still say it and then you'll get yelled at. Yeah. I know I'm being dumb. No you're not, how fucking dare you say that about my friend Yeah, that's the thing. And that's one of the reasons that I like after I wake up, obviously I go to smoke. But in the same time I always like ⁓ talk with my girls on the Discord and I just, you know, sending coffee pics and just saying that Hello, good morning, how are you? Because ⁓ We have different time zones. So that's the thing. It's just fucking infuriating sometimes, like the difference of seven, eight hours. ⁓ but I got so used to that. And the thing is that my phone, I type in English now, not even fucking Polish. Because like ninety five percent times I type on my phone it's in English. ⁓ so I got really used to that and I got really used to time zones. ⁓ obviously I would I I wouldn't use things like September twenty fifth, like we are using the correct format, which is twenty fifth of September for example. Yes, it is the correct thing because it's day, month, year, not fucking month day year. Like what the fuck? Why would you even say the month as first? The day changes every day. That's why it's like you would be born here, people. Yeah, that's the thing. Like high five would be right now. Yes. Like yeah. It's the correct way to do it. Yeah. Yeah, no, like I'm kidding obviously. But still like it's something that ⁓ you just say hi, you just say bye. And when you just open Instagram, for example, or any other like platform and something, you just check the daily things that happen overnight when you are sleeping. And since I sleep for like three, four hours because I'm an old person, I don't need to sleep more. Yeah. You're not as old as me. How do you only sleep for three or four hours? I just take naps on my couch. It's fucking amazing couch though. ⁓ so you're just a bloke then? I don't know how you guys manage it. Like how do you just fall asleep wherever the fuck you are? I think that everybody in this space is sleep deprived at some point. Hundred percent. ⁓ yes. ⁓ I just definitely throw my phone off. I'm sorry. Are you mad? Do you g I'm just kidding. Do you need a break? No. Not yet. Okay Also I'm drinking Pepsi, so it's not a commercial, it's not an odd. But I love Pepsi and No, it's not that. It's not that. It's not that. Wait, no. No. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna be doubt I'm just gonna be just I'm dying a slow death right now. ⁓ my god. Yeah, the first red flag, yeah. To be fair, Pepsi in Europe is a fuck ton better than Pepsi in America. It's different different different things, so it's fine. I think ⁓ that we still have like Pepsi with real sugar while they have all these like sweet somethings. I don't know the word for it. Okay. Yeah, we have like like our flak our like dyes are literally like carrot and beetroot, not E fifty thousand or whatever. Something like that, yeah. Yeah. So it is different ingredients. I still love you. It's fine. I I'm here. I'm here. I'm not going anywhere. There is a Pepsi that I absolutely loved that doesn't exist anymore though, which is Ginger Pepsi. ⁓ I never Ginger Pepsi is the most amazing thing. 'Cause it's not too sweet and it like really settled you what have you done to your face? What have you done to you? Come here, come here, come here. What yes. What did you do to your face? Mine are still locked, so I hope you don't hear them meowling. Nobody would know. okay, so this is something I was wondering. Have you had any trouble when you get a script like with language issues, like translating No. A certain thing now you get. No, never because ⁓ every time I I get a script, ⁓ I always respect the writer, but in a way I always try it to make it like mine. ⁓ so I ask always if I can throw some improves, if I can ⁓ change a line here or there because ⁓ when I for example say it and I know it sound not me. That I would just do it otherwise. I'll skip the line. If it's not important, I will change it, ⁓ so it can just match my flow in a way. But I never had any like really issues with translating or with saying certain words. I mean there are obviously bloopers. ⁓ but like there's no like transl I mean the bloopers in my way are just yelling curva really loud. So that's And what does that mean? Fuck. Say it again? Fuck Not that one of the I know of I mean that word is so often used and it can b both means like depend on the context. Like it can mean It's the best word ever. Fuck. It can mean horror. It can mean so many things. And it can mean it can just mean fuck yeah. Fuck off. I love that. Yeah. It's really, really hard to learn and to like ⁓ get all the context with the word. Yeah. That sounds yeah. It's very I don't even think I could speak in Polish right now. Yeah. I mean we won't understand the word you say and it'll go off. I'm not even gonna tell you no. As long as you tell us what you said. ⁓ And tell the truth. ⁓ yeah, by the way, we have to thank you for that because we we like usually we're like, ⁓ we need to know what this means like in Latin or whatever and the person who said it doesn't ever tell us what it means. Immediately. But you actually told us what it yes. Very quickly. Yeah, I told you. Like I think it was just one of the lines. ⁓ but also I think that when you're not native speaker And you start to speak English and then you start to speak ⁓ your native language, it sounds different. Because like right now you can hear me talking like this. A w innym przypadku brzmi już zupełnie inaczej. I myślę, że coś takiego fajne odmiano, no tego jak teraz brzmi. See this is interesting because in England, like we You hear it often, yeah. Yeah, there were a lot of Polish people here. Yeah, but Probably not in Texas. Definitely not in Texas. I mean still there's quite a lot of like Polish people in United States, but ⁓ yeah. I think it's just different. It's not as common as in just you know in England. So what did you say? wait, what did I say? Yeah that's I just say things I don't think really. I just say what did I say? No, I just said that. ⁓ I hope that ⁓ you find a difference in my tone, in my voice, and then I hope that you'll enjoy me speaking in Polish. That's so cool. Yeah. We definitely honestly it always buzzed me like Yeah. Go ahead, B. However what? No, I wanna know I wanna know what that was about to be. Well I was gonna go into bitching him out, actually. I was about to go straight giving you the aggressive because whenever whenever you and Flynn came out with ⁓ two for one special, we did a whole thing on our podcast about it. We talked about it for like ten minutes on our podcast. Yeah. And we both yelled at Flynn a lot in DMs about this audio. And we didn't yell at you because we didn't know you yet. So now we're gonna yell at you because that was Really good. It was so good. It was so good. And we had so much fun when we were doing it because I think that our voices like complement each other in a way. So good. my god. Yeah. Yes. They're like And that's a big thing. But I think that ⁓ Valva did amazing thing when she ⁓ she put us together. I forgot about that. I forgot, I forgot, I forgot about That like what the fuck? ⁓ okay. Yeah. Yeah, the ear thing. Yeah. That was so cool. That was so clever. I totally geeked out about that. I just like Yeah, because we didn't know about it until Flynn told us because we both just listened to it, like we weren't even paying attention. And then he was like, ⁓ did you pick which one you wanted? I'm What the fuck are you talking about? Yeah. And he was like, You have to pick which side. I was like, What I'm sorry, what? Yeah. Fuck you. But also like that she just like put us together and I think like I said that our voices complemented each other so there was no like imbalance or just you know some kind of dissonance between us. Yeah. And that is a big thing, isn't it? Like and it's so good that an like it's so cool that like an audio editor was like you t you two you two need to you the just like Because ⁓ it's just ooh. Sorry, I'm geeking. Which makes me think about this. Like so ⁓ We talk ab we talk about that all the time in the audiobook space because obviously that's where I ⁓ like originated was in the audiobook space. And so like voices that sound really good together is just kind of one of the things that I really love to like dig into and you do. You guys sounded so amazing together. You had this like great timing and the banter between the two of you sounded so perfect. It was like you were really just kind of like bullshitting with each other and, you know, having a good time. And it was just ugh it was so good. I just couldn't with that that thing when like you said I wish I could have you all to myself. And then then it was like, I heard that. Yeah. That was so good. It was like the Jesus meme. I heard that. And it just felt so natural. Like we were like in the same room talking to each other. Yeah. Yes. ⁓ but also like ⁓ that was one of the principles that we said we're gonna do. So we are not gonna make it ⁓ I don't know, some kind of fancy acting or stuff like that. We just want to have fun with the recording and we'll see how it goes. And it went really fucking well. And yeah it did feel like these like very playful personalities. So it worked so well together. Yeah that's true. I'm really, really glad that we did it. It was awesome. Maybe in the next one we'll be kissing each other. Like who knows? ⁓ come on, I I will die I will literally Miss White Shoes over here. That's my favorite. Just fucking kiss each other. Everybody. Yeah, do it. Do it. Do it. Rub your faces together. No, I am like a hu that's like my favorite like book genres like every anyone who knows my book page, that's like all I talk about is why choose and so that's like my favorite thing. And so when he came out with that, I was like, How fucking dare you? How dare you? I can't believe y'all did this to me. It was so good though. It was so good. And what did he say? Like he didn't even tell us that it he just sprung it out on a Tuesday. Yeah, and then and then when we went How fucking dare you? He just sent this like emoji of a smirk. A meme. I had a new Yeah, we were talking about how we're gonna do it and how we're gonna sell people. So that's why we came up with the little ⁓ teasers and things. It was just so well done. It was so good. And then that the whole like okay, so this is what really gets us. I mean, B and I are very much we very much tune into the emotional aspect of almost every audio that we listen to. And that like whole like middle section of that audio where like you had the like slow down and that that was ⁓ god. Yeah, and the that was in it. That was what made it. That's what made it so special. That was like so good. ⁓ but also it was like the script itself. ⁓ so it was very well written. It's an old, old script, ⁓ but it was really done with a lot of love and a lot of understanding how this should work and how like it just didn't bring my brain book with me. Who wrote it again? Audible alt, I think, if I remember correctly. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that whole like portion just like Yeah. The whole ⁓ you know when when you panicked a little bit and was like, ooh, did I go and then he just goes, Nah, she's fine, she just needs a drink of water. Like it was I mean it just sound like natural in a way, obviously like how natural can it sound. But it was just a lot of fun recording that and ⁓ I think that the script and our doing that was a bit different than what you could just get used to in like threesomes. Yeah. So it was just different. Yeah. Like it's what I think that we made it stand out. Yeah. Yeah. Actually one of my favourite bits. Yeah. Diabolical. Evil. That always gets me, 'cause I I'm I'm used to binaural because like whereas she comes from the dark romance space I come from I come from the Doctor Who audio space. I just listen to like Doctor Who audio dramas all the fucking time. So like I'm used to the binaural stuff, but the amount of times I've listened to like an audio and thought, this is Just as good, if not better, than the editing and chemistry and acting that I see in the production that cost a lot of money. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. No. And it just added a lot of depth, I think. Making it by narrow. Yeah. The talent in this space is unreal. I think that's something. And the necessity, like invention comes from necessity, right? So like that that thing that costs what, like ten grand or something? The the microphone with the two years. Yeah. There are people that like literally just sit down with a single audio and make it binaural, like that just geeks me the fuck out. I do the same with my audio because I make binaural as well and I don't have this mic. So basically it's just finding a way to make it like within the software. ⁓ because when I I had my previous mic. I learned how to do it in Audacity in the software. And it takes shitload of time because otherwise it just sounds so artificial and not real. Yeah. Mm. So to make it like actually binaral in a way, obviously it will never be the same like like the one mic that ⁓ you mentioned. I I was thinking about it, but mm you can I think you can only get it from states. And input fees are basically the second mic. So it's just ⁓ impossible to get it like in Europe, j just like that. Because I saw the used one in Poland and it costs like four thousand euro. So it's Yeah, the guy that we know that has one, it costs him like eleven grand, I think. Yeah, yeah. So But isn't it like I've just it it's just two mics too? Two mics, they're very like hardware software connected, mm, but obviously in a way that it's perfect. So that's why it's so expensive. But from what I've heard, these mics in that one mic, the Banero Audio one, ⁓ they're not too great, honestly. They're just not connected. Yeah. Yeah, they like I know that Bad Fantasy had one and it broke quite quickly. Like the connection was just not like and it just reminds me of like the Wack arm Cyntic, Graphics tablets that you could draw on, like but there were the very first graphics tablets that you could draw on that you could see. And they just completely monopolized the market. They could pay they could charge like £5,000 for this one single thing. And it was shit. Like it would overheat, people would have to send it off, and it would take like six months to get it back, but they could do it because they were the the only ones that did it at the time. Yeah, that's And and now people are like, Well, I'm not paying that much for that. And let's find out if I can do it with these two microphones and a fork. You know, it's it's how it's how things start becoming better. Like all these little yeah people all these people just think about Or when you can do a double channel with two mics that you already have. ⁓ Why the fuck would you pay so much? I mean, like I said, if the if that mic would be like super high quality, ⁓ yeah, sure. Yeah. But you could just stick to microphones without your effort, that's all. Yeah. So ⁓ yeah, I learned also like to make binaria audio, so I create them as well. Obviously it takes shit load of effort because when when I'm for example on the left side and there is ⁓ like a kissing And it doesn't sound good, it can happen as well. So I can I have to like go back and try to make it on the right side. Or try to make like a random movement or just different pen or stuff like that. So there's a lot of things when 'Cause you have to l you have to listen through the entire audio so many times. You listen to your own audio and by the end, when it's done, you hate this audio. And you're leaning from your ears. You fucking hate your eyes. That's how I feel about our episodes. By the time I'm done editing, I'm just like, ⁓ my god, I hate myself. Yeah, that's the thing. The amount of times, like when we're editing, I send my my first cut to Kim and she's like We do three cuts. You aren't in here anymore. Like so I'm gonna I'm not gonna accept I cut myself out because you're not allowed to cut herself out and then we go back and we put ourselves back in. And also that was one of the things that I had to get used to, like the sound of my voice. And then the sound of my moanings or kissings or other thing. Like not say for work stuff because I was always making the kissing, the pussy licking like my own. I never used any artificial sound effects. That was just, you know, me. ⁓ so it was so weird at the beginning, like to listen to me moaning and stuff and I I was just what the fuck am I listening to? Did you ever like listen to other people's to be like, okay, so I I I I feel like I hate this. ⁓ like I'm gonna listen to this just to make sure that this is actually how it's done. Other people have to listen to themselves do it and it's fine. I did listen to a lot of male VAs to give some kind of on in the beginning to get some kind of, I don't know, inspiration. Yeah. Or how they do it or stuff like that, but it ⁓ It never felt right to me. So I had to like come up with just my idea of my audio, of my voice, of my of using my voice, of ⁓ of f like finding maybe my own way to just get into that without hating myself too much. Well I mean you have to feel comfortable. Yeah. If you don't feel comfortable then it's gonna definitely show. That's why I'm really happy that I started with Safe or Work audios. ⁓ because it gave me some knowledge to how to do it. ⁓ to give me a knowledge how to use SFX, how to make the audio actually sound better and ⁓ how to like when I when I hear myself, I don't hate myself that much and when I was using ⁓ when I was just doing not safe for work once, it wasn't that much of a shock in a way. That if I would just go with the fucking I don't know, the fucking fucking audio like my first. It you already used to your voice, so never do it anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's the I can't imagine the amount of VAs that haven't 'cause you do have to kind of what's the word? ⁓ for fuck's sake. ⁓ just give just just I'm not gonna say It takes time to find your My brain usually works, I promise. This is not niche. It's not niche. Like you have to you have to take time to kind of find out what works with your voice. And there are probably a lot of VAs that heard it the first time and thought, Whoa ho. I'm going into accounting. I mean since the first audio, I I was really, really hooked. And after the first Oreo I was just wanted to do another one. And then another I think that it brought me and still bringing me because if if if it wasn't for that I would just stop doing that. A lot of joy. ⁓ so I know that ⁓ and I still hope that I will bring a lot of fun and comfort to other people and but like it's really important for me to to keep enjoying that because without that I would just burn myself out and I really, really don't do it so I slowed down with audio because at some point I was making two or three a week and then I just felt like this kind of hangover from it so I couldn't fucking listen to anything and I think that it's better to just slow down a bit and enjoy that and then just keep and just being like a craftsmanship. I think that it resembled like ⁓ a king, Stephen King, yeah. So ⁓ when he was writing his books at the beginning, it felt so much different than now. Because basically right now it feels like he's a factory of making books that are not really that good like they w were before. It feels so Yeah. Like the creation. If you lose the love, yeah, you definit it definitely shows in the work. Yeah, so I I always try and to keep my spark and ⁓ it always bring me a lot of joy and just ⁓ Also with that editing when I heard a raw audio and then when I when I was done with bleeding with my ears at three AM and I listened to the audio and I was just sitting and ⁓ fuck. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, they're What do you like? It's a good feeling, yeah. Yeah, it's an amazing feeling. It's a great Do you like editing or the actual voice in? I like both. And I know that. obviously I'm not sound engineer, I'm not a pro. But I I learned audacity by myself because like I'm not native so I couldn't just speak this like technical English something like phrases and words and stuff like that. So I I wouldn't really know what ⁓ like a certain words could mean. So I was just doing things ⁓ by myself. I learned how to fade in, fade out and put ⁓ like a certain EQ for certain I don't know like audios because it sound different and then I realized how much I love ⁓ the rain sound effect and it was always my favorite. So I put it in a lot of my audios ⁓ in Sleep Talking series as well. And yeah, so it just started with just an ambience, a background, ⁓ just the rain r just rain in the background. And then I realized that with not say for work audio it was another good call because they often require much more SFX. And they need to It's like immersive, isn't it? Having that thing in the background. It stops when you stop talking or like blended. It stops that stark yeah. Yeah. So it also gave me ⁓ like an edge before I started because I had some idea how to edit an audio. So then when I did my debut with not say for work once, it was pretty well and yeah. And it was bilingual as well. I love it. Okay. We have a few fun questions. So we have a couple of things left. We've got the fan questions that everyone sent us and then we have just some fun questions. Yeah, I'm going. Okay. Okay. All right. Here's some fun questions. Okay. What never fails to make you giggle? Mm. ⁓ I don't know. ⁓ I I I giggle a lot and I know that people like my voice and my laugh. I said fuck hell. But I'm I'm always giggling when I for example when I send a voice note or stuff like that, I just start automatically with a fucking laugh. I don't know why. Yeah, I just I think it's just I just it's just that whole like it's it's that like nervous like even though like you could be talking to like literally your best friend like I do with B. Like we voice note every day, but at the beginning I'm always like ha ha I'm just telling you a story but it's just like I I'm not nervous, I just do it. I don't know. It just when I I know press and hold the mic icon and just start to fucking giggle. I don't know why. It's almost like a tick. And then now I really want to get a voice note from you. Yeah. Half of Disney Giggle you forgot what you actually did and you just sent it and then fucked off. Yeah. Next time you message us women. ⁓ Mostly on Discord and stuff, but yeah, it it's always started with a giggle. ⁓ my god, I send so many I send voice notes all day, every day. Like that's like I hate typing. It's the worst. Ugh. Okay. Anyway. All right B. No, you're from a generation that where phones used to have fucking buttons. Yeah. Yeah, too. I remember that. And it was it was a good time. I lived in a generation where we didn't even have phones. That was great. Well, yeah. I could do whatever I want. I know. That's great. The days when kids didn't need to at five, you just you just have to go back What is your weirdest talent? I can move both of my ears and just one at the same time. ⁓ that's so cool. Damn it, now I want to see it. Just a paper bag and then just cut the ear holes out of your ears. Yeah, it Yeah, I can do it actually. And also I can move the little toe. Yeah the to yeah, the little toe and only the toe. Are you like do you have like hypermobility issues? That's crazy. I think no. I'm weird like that. But let's just stick with my ears. Yeah. Just your toe with your I am so doing it right now. Are you wiggling your ears right now? Under my earphones, wait. Yeah. Are your ears waving at us? Aw, that's so cute. Yeah, they're under our earphones, but yeah. Not me just sitting there trying to do it myself. I was doing it. And I know you will try. I'm not even gonna try because I know I can't do that. So that's my talent. That's I mean, I love it. I love it. What snack could you never live without late? I think chips. If we mean like the same thing, like lace chips. Like actual like yeah like chips. ⁓ so you're talking you mean chips like hair kinda chips, not like like ⁓ my god. No, I'm talking like lace, like potatoes, chips. Like potato chips. Just plain potato chips? I really love that. I love plain potato chips. Just plain? ⁓ yeah, no, no. Nothing on it. No, it's it's paprika. Or fermage or spicy paprika or green onion. I love green onion. Yeah. It's good. I do miss Lays. Lays La Lay's were like good crisps. I mean, but they don't do it in the UK. In England, yeah. They're not I think they're not Lays, it's walkers. It's walkers, yeah. But they don't have like they don't have the same flavours. Yeah. I mean they're different depending on the region. And I always envy ⁓ the vinegar ones that you have and we don't. Salt and vinegar. Salt and vinegar. Salt and vinegar, yeah. ⁓ I do like the salt and vinegar. Yeah, we don't have to. I will eat those until my mouth's bleeding. Yeah, like y it will shred it will like those are formed cocktail crisps. They shred your face. Yeah, that's true. Yes, please. Those and the pickled onion flavours like monster munch, they just permanent damage. I think I even saw that I think in Thailand they have like a seafood flavors, like an octopus and stuff. ⁓ yeah, they've got all kinds of crazy yeah, all kinds of there's a store here that's like got like all Korean like all Korean ⁓ like foods and stuff and it has there's like tons of like different kinds of chips that are that you can never find here. Yeah, that's pretty cool. I always like going to those. Okay, B, you're next. You're so pretty. I know what that means. Yeah. We we love each other, I promise. Yeah. How did you come up with your name? ⁓ that's a fun story. So it's completely generated by Reddit. It just removes the letters. I s yeah, I mean that Sometimes those sometimes they're really good though. Like they're just like an account. And it has Like late net and I think there was some commas and some letters and some numbers. So I just removed them like from the front and from the back and it just like left with like late net. I don't even know why. Yeah. So that's a big, big story about it. It's just randomly generated. Let me tell you. It it just was random. Yeah, it was the funniest story, it just happened. It just happened. I love how you like literally went, ⁓ that's such a fun story. ⁓ just random Dick. You know, a suspense and things. ⁓ defin. Yeah, but that's the truth behind it. It's random. But it is still funny. It's still funny. Yeah, it is. I love it. And I mean it's it's a good name. It's good. Yeah, I ⁓ when I started, I a few people that knew that I'm gonna do it, ⁓ told me to make another account, which would be strictly and only ⁓ for that. for voice acting. But then I said I just fucking like my name. Like why would I even hide behind s another account? Yeah. And like people knew me because I was a mod for public chat on Reddit. It was a huge chat, like five thousand people. ⁓ so why would I even hide? I mean I'm myself. I'm not creating any outlet. I'm not creating any persona. It was just me. So like that I'm going with it. And sometimes like starting a fresh with a new account is such a ball ache. Yeah, that's that's also true. And especially when you make a new account on Reddit, you're just being punished for making a new account. You're just cut off from everything. That's true. And you forget that you took like years curating and like not wanting to do that's the thing all of your things. True, true. ⁓ my god, everybody so many people have been like losing their Instagram accounts lately and I said that if ⁓ my gosh, if they ever took my Instagram away, I think I would like just I think I would just like roll over and die. I've been working on this. I've been working on this. Just give up I would just stop. Like I would just be like, Okay guys, this is it. I'm done. Bye. Yeah, we'll be fucking mad as well. It would be awful. It would be so bad. It would be so bad. Okay. If you had unlimited funds at one store, what store would you pick? ⁓ It has to be like a one brand or be whatever. I mean you could technically cheat and choose a store that has multiple. Yeah, I was gonna say electronic. And because I I really love like phones and fucking things like electronic stuff. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Your techie. Yeah. I techie techie. Yeah, I worked ⁓ in in telecom company for years before. So I'm I'm in this I'm in this. And plus you'd be able to get all of your like PS five games. Yeah, that's that's another thing. I I would get it from there too. So yeah, definitely I'm cheating and I'm saying electronic store. Do you only play PS five or do you play any other games? No, only PS five. I was I had a PC for many, many years. But ⁓ I sold it and I thought that I'm going into console and I'm going into single player games because I'm old and it's a peaceful life when you can only be angry at yourself and not on other people who are just fucking annoying you on chat and it's not your fault that your team is fucking losing. I fucking feel that in my skin. ⁓ I mean I had really really good time playing with like ⁓ MMO games and stuff, but I did play League of Legends for years and I smashed two keyboards and one mouse and then yeah I think it was time to fucking stop. I played WoW for probably ten years ago. ⁓ yeah, I played WoW too. I played Wild and Cosics, so it was me. Yeah. Yeah, and I hated like I loved everything that I got to do like by myself but like when it came to like rating and like having to be like other I like fuck this, I hate everything about this and so I would never like get to the point where I wanted to do it like wanted to go all the way with it because it was like I ha it's forcing me to play with other people and I'm just like I fucking hate that. So Yeah, I I remember I played ⁓ World of Warcraft in the covet time. So while I was working from home it was me working on one PC and Another one it was just me learning the the flying skill for ⁓ I think it was Shadowlands or something. I can't fucking remember. ⁓ so it was me. I mean I can I can say it right now because I don't work there so they can fuck off. But I I didn't really work too much. I was just fine fucking trying to get the flying skill. I mean everybody was just trying to survive then, weren't they? I mean Yeah, it was just like Well, and it's one of those things too, it's like do I want to even waste my time working? 'Cause we're you know, we what if we all just die from COVID? Like Yeah. Like why work when I've got a YouTube full of like news bloopers from news people working at home and like their cats just interrupting everything. Yeah. I mean that was something good that came out of that. Yeah. All the cats and dogs that are like I never got to not work 'cause I was in healthcare, so I just had to go. I'd said I got fucking work. I mean I only worked for like a month ⁓ from home, then I had to go back. Yeah. But still. Yeah. I got the flying skill at least. I ⁓ love it. I got the flying skill. Yeah, so like right now it's just just single player, so I can just pause and you know. It's just it's a peaceful life. I enjoy that. But we love yeah. Yeah, no, I get that. I hate playing games with other people, trust me, I get it. I had my crazy times with League of Legends especially. so ⁓ for example when I was at university years, years ago, ⁓ it was just five guys playing on their laptops on League of Legends sitting in the same room and the only thing that we had to eat was cyroes and vodka. So that's kind of a thing. I mean fucking loads of times. And right now when I look back I'm trying to think I would never be able to just go like I did before, like you go on marathon of playing for fucking forty eight hours. And it was just fun, you just smoke and drink and just play. That's all. Now I would die. I mean now I would be dead. Yeah, literally just fall asleep, like wake up and then open your laptop again. And you just pass the pass the weed and all that kind of stuff. It was just ⁓ those are ha those were the days. The absolute best. Yeah. I love it. But yeah, now I'm all old. And now I have to sit down if I'm like stood up for more than five minutes. Yeah. Yeah. It would never be able available right now. Yeah. I gotta be a mom now. All right, B, go ahead. Song you sing in the shower. I don't sing under the shower. Sorry to disappoint, but I'm not. How do you not sing how does how does one be human and not sing in the shower? Silent as a grave. And you don't even have you have like single maybe there is a one. And it's ⁓ my god, how it's One that it's ⁓ performed in far over ⁓ Misty Mountains. Sorry. ⁓ I thought you were talking about taking the hobbits to Isengard. They're taking the hobbits to Isengard. No. No Misty Mountains. I was like that's a bit of a that that's that's that's that's a choice. That's yeah that's random. No I did I I sang Misty Mountains for a few times, but that's about it. I don't just sing in the shower. That's cute. I like that. Okay. Okay. We talked about this a little bit. You said earlier that you are a reader. So tell us a little bit about what you read. Do you do audiobooks? And what's some of your like favorite books? I am basically a Star Wars huge fan and I'm a Witcher, obviously, because it's from Poland. ⁓ I'm a Witcher huge fan and I read it like years, years ago, way before it was really popular. And I really hate what Netflix did with The Witcher. Yeah. It's just I wasn't just it's just personally offensive. So I yeah, and I I I really like fantasy and I try to always support ⁓ our local writers. I think that's important. And I'm into sci-fi and horror, obviously. I love horror books and movies. And when it comes to audio books, I read the sci-fi and horror. I like that. But ⁓ for me the paper will always be better. Okay. I always kinda guy. Yeah, always. I mean ⁓ the smell of old books. ⁓ my god, I fucking love that. And it's like a cult if you have crooked, for example, chair you can put the book under. So that's you know, it's multi purpose. Yeah. Yeah, it's multi purpose. You can like it's just you cannot beat that. Yeah. We don't have the yellow pages anymore, so Yeah. But definitely like a paper box. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I love that. So right now I'm reading one of the expanded universe, Star Wars Arc, about the Yuzen Vong invasion. I didn't know they had like real novels for Star Wars. ⁓ yeah. You're into Star Wars like I'm into Doctor Who, I like it. ⁓ yeah. ⁓ especially in the exp expanded universe that was pissed at by Disney. ⁓ but I think that basically like the whole universe was like more than eighty books and it it was like a whole thing, a whole actual universe and just be able to read so many ⁓ different views on Star Wars by different authors. It was just beautiful and amazing. And I don't give a single fucking fuck about there not being canon. I just read them. And yeah, I'm just reading about the Yu Senfong invasion right now. And it's just so fucking beautiful because you have the look Skywalker right there who is trying to recreate the Jedi Order. And you have the the family of ⁓ Han and Leia and where they're completely different people than in the movies ⁓ because ⁓ they have they have children, not Ben who just kills his mother like a bitch. ⁓ but actually like ⁓ really really like ⁓ force sensitive they have twins Jaina and Jason and then turns out I mean I hope that nobody who will listen to it ⁓ will be will get any spoilers. So yeah, maybe I'll just shut up. But I fucking love Star Wars, okay? You know what? That's like my favorite thing in the world is to find out like something that someone's passionate about because I love listening to anyone talk about what they love. Like there's nothing like it. Yeah. I I I I don't shut up when I'm talking about Wager of Star Wars or just books or just stuff like that. And I just like when we talk about something and there's like a general topic and I just go deeper and deeper and deeper and some like completely random little specified fucking thing like what's the colour of The lightsaber lightsaber of like Jason Solo, and then you just fucking go over it and why he chose it and why he became a Darcyus and why he did what he did and stuff like that. Yeah, shut up. I ⁓ love it. I love it. I'm like that with Doctor. She has to she has to deal with that like all the time with me, with Doctor Who. Like just like everything. Like I'm obsessed with like an audio drama that is about. the people on Gallifrey. It doesn't have the Doctor in it at all. It's it's all about Gallifrey. And there were so many like different expanded things of like different people and it's it's so good because like the universe that you love is suddenly that much bigger. And it doesn't end 'cause there's always more to like read or listen to or discover. And it's like, yes. Anyway. And it's the same amount of pictures. So I I I just I I I'm trying so hard not to just fucking talk about it for another two hours. I mean I'm I'm I'm all about that like you know I I'm I'm good to learn about Star Wars for a bit. I'm good. I don't care what you're talking about, just talk. I wouldn't mind out geeking my dad about Star Wars at one point. We were a Star Trek family though. Dad liked Star Wars, but I grew up with Star Trek. ⁓ it was like ⁓ Star Wars way wa is way more popular here, I think. Like in general. Star Wars. Yeah. Well be I think we're done with all the fun questions. Okay, ⁓ you ready for fan questions? Yeah, go on. Okay. Chelsea Elliot, who is an author, asked if you could be any breed of cat, what cat would you be? I wouldn't be a stray cat because I think they're the best ones. I don't I think that ⁓ I don't know. I just like the idea of of stray cats because my both kitties are stray and yeah they're just the cutest. And ⁓ I have a stray cats at my office at my work and I always carry like a little bag of cat food whenever I just see like a little kitty or just a kitty who just is, for example, like hungry or something. It it ha it happened once, like ⁓ some time ago. I know that I have some food, like obviously it's not some like super fresh but like You have a hungry kitty, you just give him some like something to eat. And sometimes I even like when I make my sandwiches for work, ⁓ I just like throw them some ham or or something like that because they know that. Do you see what you're doing to us? Do you see? I love kitties. Kitties are life. Kitties are the best. So definitely a strike at That's a good answer. Moving on. God damn it. I'm not sure if I should ask this as one question or three. The Meg question? Yeah. The Meg question? Yeah, it's quite a l go ahead, it's fine. I mean ⁓ Meg is a script writer, so it makes sense, yeah. Okay. I wanna know what script writers can do to make his life easier. I want to know how AE and VA ing has changed him as a person. I wanna know his favourite song and also if he thinks sushi should be illegal. ⁓ I absolutely hate sushi. ⁓ fuck off. ⁓ I don't like it. Meg is gonna love you. I don't like fish. I don't like sushi It's not all fish I I I'm a vegetarian and like and cucumber and apparently apparently Mag. Okay, yeah, definitely. I I ⁓ to be ⁓ modest and mild, I just say I don't like sushi. Me too. ⁓ I think it's okay, but I don't like it. You're allowed not to like it, that's fine. ⁓ Is he? It seems like you're really mad about it. That's fine. That's fine. No, you're not. I can see that. He's like he's see you get it. You get it. I mean who I mean who who who who possibly likes rice and vegetables? Like it's not like it's the most common fucking thing in the world. I get me a lot. So Whatever. Yeah, I don't like sushi. So sushi is out. It's just the second week in a row she's been outnumbered. That's why she's mad. and ⁓ about my ⁓ favorite song, was it? Favorite song. Okay, so it definitely would be Rain by Sleep Token. I really need to start listening to Sleep Token because I don't I I don't know Yeah, you really need to try it. It's 'cause I'm I come from like I like punk music, so sleep tokens brand of rock is something that I always kind of I mean they're very like a mix of different genre. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I'll send you one and you'll send send me send me one. So that's that and Like what script writers can do different or like better? Just to make your life easier. Something that like would Well, first of all, use the dark mode on script bin. For fuck's sake. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Dark mode always. Dark mode is dark mode. So yeah, dark mode is superior in all forms. Yeah, in every way. In everything. Anybody who screenshots something in Discord when they're in fucking light mode and then pastes it. I'm like, what the fuck is that? Yeah, and then Who are you? Why am I not your friend anymore? I'm blind. Yeah, I'm blind. I'm blind. ⁓ but also I think ⁓ I I will obviously speak from my experience, but when I when I read the script, I really hate When there are like mentions about SFX everywhere. I think that when I make the edit, I I voice it. So I know what kind of sound should be like that right now in this moment. ⁓ so it's literally every f every kind of sound is Yeah, there are like some that I I voice and they had like footstep, footstep, ⁓ squeak, door sound. Or something and then you scripts in one because then the another script, like it's another two thousand words are used to describe the SFX. Yeah, so instead of like speaker walks towards listener slowly, it's yeah, I mean spelling out. Yeah, the speaker is approaching you slowly, holding a fucking glass in in their ⁓ hand. Ninety nine percent of people would never listen and never hear the difference. And that's actually a common one. I've heard a lot of pi I've heard a lot of people like say that sometimes it's difficult to remember, like unless you know unless you are actually you've edited before, it's difficult to remember what people can't hear. Like, so there'll be something in a script saying the sound of glass melting in in the whiskey. And it's like, yeah. Cool. Yeah. So ⁓ that's that's one thing. I mean in terms of editing, ⁓ sometimes when you see all these cues, it just annoys you because ⁓ you have a feeling that this particular sound is expected. But not really. Not always, not everywhere. And like the audio itself will not lose any of its value without this like sound effects. So that's one of the things. And It's like micromanaging also. Yeah. Yeah, does it make you feel like more stilted in what you can do? Because if it's saying, you know, the constant SFX, it's like, well, I can't admire my own because I ⁓ yeah, I'm following directions, so my tone has to be straight down the line. That's why I always like change the script. in a way that it's it's fitting me. So like I don't change the words. I just change the tone. Like for example when the author had in mind something different that okay this part should be growling and I don't fucking feel it. I think it should be quiet or I think it should be firm but not making some growls. I just don't feel it so I won't do it. Because like ultimately I decide how How the audio should sound. And if you like it, that's fine. If you don't like it, that's fine. But like I'm doing it from top to bottom. I edit it, I I I do all the kind of things, I record it and stuff like that. And also sometimes I think the script writers forget how how different is because when you're reading a script, ⁓ it's different from acting on it. Yeah. And I think that's something that it's it it it's like ⁓ you cannot really put it into the text. ⁓ but I think there there should be like much more improv in the audio because you can't fake it. Yeah. And nope. I think that like voice actors should be able and should be like encouraged to ⁓ just say the word that you fucking think will fit. I mean it won't ruin the script. But it will only add to it, I think. Yeah. That's what Do think that on Reddit they kind of 'cause I I know that on Reddit they post their scripts for people to read and fill. So do you think a lot of the times they're catering to the readers of the script as opposed to the possible VAs who would fill it? I think so because I mean there are like almost every one of them heard their own like script policy. script field policy and often it's very strict. So there is not a lot room for improv improv and stuff and just like making the script more fitted for yourself. I mean it's universal because there are a lot a a lot of VAs there and we can make their script like in a way how we would like to. ⁓ But also sometimes feels like that They're not really made for VA. They are made for people reading them and people just commenting on the script. But the script itself feels more like like a book than something that you can act on it. And it's just sometimes really hard to like pull off the actual script. So I just thought that. I won't be doing them. That's why I was really picky about my scripts on Reddit. ⁓ because it's it's different when the scriptwriter works with you. When I for example DM'd a scriptwriter and there were like some who didn't even respond. And I know they read it because they were commenting on like other people and stuff like that, but they didn't even bother themselves to respond to me. So why would I even care? Fuck that. Yeah, like they probably post the script like ⁓ in the off chance that their favourite VA would pick another voice it and they don't have any other interest. And I know there are like ⁓ script writers who are catering for their favourite VA and they wish ⁓ it was just filled by someone with just like an I don't know, fifty K followers, for example. Yeah, that that fucks me off, that kind of attitude. The whole we don't I don't want to interact with you if you've got like under fifty K. One of B and I's favorite one of our favorite audios, one of our favorite moments in an audio was completely ad-libbed. And of course we didn't know that until we talked to the VA. And then once the VA told us like how much they actually added to that, it was like it wouldn't have been the same without it. But we also talked to the script writer like two weeks later and we were like as much as we loved this ad libed portion of it, like your story, your writing is what got the VA to that point, is what made them, you know, do what they did. Yeah. It's still a collaboration. Even if you ad lib something, you still the story still got you there. And so it's still just a thing. It was like the writer didn't see the potential in her own script. She didn't see how deep it went, but he did. And he was like it it was her that like if it wasn't for the the way she wrote, I wouldn't have gone that deep. Yeah that's true. And it's just such a cool thing to hear about. It was such a beautiful team effort between the two of them and neither one of them works. Yeah. I mean things are always better with collaboration. Yeah, and you don't really always have to follow every word, every comma, every dot, every fucking thing on the script. Because then when you when you realize that when I skip this word or when I like I said, I found my own way. So I just start talking in Polish. And then I just think I and I never like cheat on it. I always say the things that would be fitting for the audio. So when I like when I talk I'm not like ⁓ thinking ⁓ or telling you what kind of buns do I buy in the store. It's always always fitting because I know there are like some obviously Polish listeners as well. And and I mean as a pol as a Polish native it's it's clear that it's natural to you. And it must it must like make the audio sound more natural as well. Because that is something that you would probably do like just slip into Polish like at some point and it comes across very often and it just makes it yes, that's the word. Yes. Yeah. Kim's my brain today. And also I I I thought that it would just add something more unique, more different, since there are like not ⁓ a lot, I think Polish VA, I know. Definitely sets you apart. And like and like bilingual, like Audios are often just absolutely loved. Like the span like when when people have like Spanish VAs like just slipping into like a few Spanish words. It just it everybody loves it. And I've never s I've just Polish seems not niche, but I haven't seen it before and it's it's a beautiful fucking language. It's it's a stunning language. Yeah, and it's really like ⁓ despite that it's really hard to pronounce for not Polish person and most of them they c you could live like twenty years here and you'd always sound like you're not you're not l you're not a native and you'll never be most likely. But I also like for that mm I was very ⁓ reluctant to add Polish at first because I didn't know how it would be ⁓ seen. Or something like that that it's just some like maybe for most people it's just some weird mumbling or just sound of like dried l leaves falling from the fucking tree or something like that. When I say for example, shh shh shh these are like yeah. So Was that a word? No, that's ⁓ I was gonna say, 'cause that would I I need an explanation about that. That would have been fucking amazing if that was an actual word. It wasn't. But they're like words who are like tongue twisters. Like ⁓ Braunt Shekevich or Stebzhin. They are actual words. I love seeing those TikToks where people say, How do you say this? Yeah in German. How do you say this in German? How do you say this in German? How do you say this entire sentence and it's just like two syllables repeated over and over and over and over? Yeah. You make a full sentence using the two syllables. Yeah, so I was I was really reluctant on it, but then I tried and like the reception was really good. ⁓ because it was like exotic for most listeners, I think. Yeah, and it just But again I th it just like the authenticity is the thing. It's not what it is. It's not how you sound, it's not the voice you use, it's not what you say, it's how you say it. And if you're being authentic and you're being true to yourself, people are always gonna pick up on that, especially women. And I think that people know that you're being authentic and you're just being who you are. And it doesn't matter what language you're speaking, it's just late. Like that's just him, you know? Yeah, it's always late. And ⁓ I also think that I mean because like adding me adding like Polish ⁓ words and sentences It's always improv. I mean it can be within the text, it can be within the script. ⁓ but I never like asked any author or any writer to to make like okay, this sentence will be in Polish. No, it will always like come straight from my mouth. Then I will I I I think that okay, maybe I'll say something like that that will fit it. But definitely like the tone of it and the colour of my voice is changed when I speak Polish. So I I really like it and I know that like people enjoy it and that's that's the reason I do it. So me enjoying that and other enjoying that as well. Yeah. Yeah, it's very it's very cool. Dang. Okay. I always w it's always the stuff that you guys do that is just like your idea and the stuff that you just do because it feels natural to you. That's always the things that get me and an O B as well. It's like and then we come to find out that it was just you, just like that's what you thought felt right in the moment. And it just makes it even worse. Fuck off. Yeah, it was it was pretty much the same, like for example with ⁓ my script with Flynn, like me talking Polish was like one hundred percent I know, I knew that was coming. God damn it Yeah. I hate you aggression. Saying that the lister is really beautiful and she feels so fucking good right now. It was always ⁓ you've killed her. You've killed her, she's dead. Is it time to mute? Is it time Is it Is it time to just have like a sooty and just like pretend that that's late? Just like Yeah. Okay. Death by Owen wanted to know. I want to know what if anything makes Late flustered or blush. Fluster on blush. Yeah, what what makes you do what makes you do what you do to us? ⁓ okay. So when ⁓ my god, am I really gonna I see what you're doing. Sorry. What? She's talking to the cat. Yeah, Momo just like went to to treat the sofa as a scratching board in the corner of my eye. It's fine. She's stopped. I mean I dunno. Yes, you do. Maybe when I for example See a nice pair of nails. Maybe that's the thing that fucking make me a puddle. I don't know. ⁓ Yeah. I mean I don't know if it could be considered a king, I don't think so. But like you know, you like men hands, we like fucking woman hands. Yeah. ⁓ like like mate like like Do you like fancy nails or like neat nails? Fancy and neat and just nails. I just love female hands, that's all. That's so cool. Yeah. I mean it's I've actually never heard that before. I mean Which is odd. It's really? Yeah. Okay. Which is weird. Yeah, I mean you like male hands. Maybe some people just don't want to say it. We like I mean, okay, maybe not we, I like female hands. And nails. Need long, short Just fucking nails. I don't know. Obviously. Like knee Yeah. But yeah, okay, man, paddle now, fuck off. ⁓ I gotta fuck off. Yes. Here you go and just stick my nails up to the camera here. Yeah. Yeah, be do it again. Yeah. No it's your turn now. Just just ⁓ you don't want to Yeah no, you don't want to fucking see my nails. My nails are in purgatory at the moment. I'm just glad I could do ⁓ even a fraction of what you do, so there you go. I'm cool with that. Okay. turn be Fluffy Zombie Unicorn AKA Miss Pickle asks Who is your favourite pickle? Mrs. Girkin, obviously. I mean the man knows the man knows better. Yeah. I wouldn't dare to say anything else. She's the best. She's our favorite pickle too. She's so funny. I love her. I love her so much. She's so freaking witty. Like the shit that she comes up with, I swear to God, I just love her. I know. She's so freaking funny. And also she has a beautiful kitty. Does she? I never said that. Momo is looking at me really, really like death stare right now. So I'm just gonna pretend I'm just gonna sit back and pretend nothing happened and there was no mention of there was no kitty mention. That's hilarious. I just love her. Okay. You can see you can see her, you can actually see her. I see the ear. I can see her ear. I see the ear. She just sat there staring at me. Not a happy ear. Not a happy ear, it's a very bad ear. The tags alone wants to know is there a favorite tag you have from your safe for work and one favorite tag from not safe for work. ⁓ for not safe for work, I think I would say enemies to lovers. That's just so fucking good. It always works and it's just so good. And it comes to Yeah. It's just, you know, enemies lovers, it's just life. It's like it's perfect setting for banter, isn't it? It's just it's banter gold market. Yeah. And it it just allows you to make so many things in the script, in the audio. You can be sarcastic sarcastic a little cunt and it just fucking works because then y you're gonna fuck her. So that's fine. You can be sarcastic. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Mm. But like all these like friends to lovers and all kind of things. It just it just really my thing. I really like I really like like this whole boyfriend experience stuff. I really like just got into that. So basically like dark romance is one of the thing and boyfriend experience is one of the my other things that I really like. So that's that. And for safe for work audio I would say sleep aid. Because I really, really like like to whisper. And Just make you feel little things that will just help you sleep. That doesn't help me sleep. We that's why we we I don't think we've had one episode that was under two hours yet. Yeah, that's that's the thing. I mean, when you start to talk you just go all around the subjects and topics and just forget at some point what was the question. I mean, it's just fun to talk to people. I I that's one of the reasons why I love doing this, is I just I love getting to know people and you know, because it's so fun to find out people's motivations and you know It's weird how in depth you can get with people without asking like any personal information, but you can like find out so much about people just from what they love, you know? And like it will always like resonate, I think, within the questions that are not personal. You just add yourself if you're like honest to to the speaker and listener. Mm-hmm. Yeah, 'cause I d I I've been doing interviews since February and I started out doing like audiobook narrators and so many of the narrators I talk to have pseudonyms or they're you know, they are they don't, you know, show their face or whatever and it's you know, it takes a while to figure out how to talk to people when you can't see them. Yeah, that's true. But but, you know, you just you just kinda deal with it, so And that's one of the reasons why I always do video is because I think whenever we're talking to people, it just makes people engage a little bit more, even if they can't see you. ⁓ 'cause I'm very I like talk with my hands and I'm I'm always moving, so Yeah, me too. But you can see that. No, I can't. I can't. You're right. Maybe. Maybe one day. We'll see. Yeah. I I think it's funny because a lot of people like I think they do end up kind of just because it it is it's so difficult, especially when you really connect with people, to, you know, have that faceless, you know persona. But I get why, trust me. I was talking to somebody the other day and I was like, I really wish that when I started this account two years ago that I had thought one day you might have a lot of followers and start a podcast and you probably won't want your whole name out there. But you know what? Now it doesn't matter 'cause it already is so fuck it. Yeah, that's that's the thing. Yeah. Never thought about it. I would I would never imagine where where I would end like six months ago. Like me being here. That's fucking insane. Like doing doing audiobook and other things, like it would be weird. Never would have That's why like this first anniversary was such special thing for me because when I remember myself really under the hoodie and with just me talking to the phone in a room ⁓ so that's why that's why I said it sounds so bad. You should get an artist to draw like you in a hoodie with like a little f like phone glow. Yeah. Yeah. Like you're doing right now, it looks like that. Yeah. Yeah. And with my other hand I was just holding the hoodie so it won't fall off on my on my eyes. And in the same time I was trying to read the script from the same phone. But also I was trying to point the microphone into my mouth. It was fucking awful. And then I came up with the closet. So I was recording for a long time in my closet. And my closet to give you the impression it's three feet over three feet. So I was just leaking my knees and my whatnot. I have so many episodes on my YouTube of people sitting in a closet with like shirts behind them with me interviewing them. Yeah. I mean, it's the thing because I was really holding my knees under my chin. But it was something that I accepted because it allowed me to mm have better sound because it was basically like a soundproof because the clouds. So it helped immensely ⁓ in the editing. But it also very much limited my voice. So right now I'm so happy and my audio sounds sound different. Mm-hmm. Because I can actually work with my body. Yeah. Hm? What? Your audio always sounds so clean. I mean right now it also like a different microphone. Also but also like the the the vocal booth and just me know how to edit my voice so it sound natural but also it's clean and there are no other sounds in the background that I don't want. ⁓ but yeah, but like going into the mic that I'm currently having it's a different level as well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When I was doing book edits, ⁓ like doing like promo edits for books. I learned a lot about like, you know, having like even with like audiobooks who that had been completely edited and cleaned up, sometime I would have to like remove like breath sounds or things that might mess up you know the the edit. And ⁓ my gosh, it's so tedious. Like I don't know how you guys do it. It's so tedious doing that. It's it can be really annoying and At some point you miss a lot, then why you that's that's why you have to listen again and again and again and then like hearing everything. Yeah. But it's fun in a way. It's fucking annoying, but it's really fun in a way. I know, right? It's so it is fun because it's like ⁓ obviously it's always fun to learn a new skill and like become good at something, but at the same time it's so tedious because it's like you're literally listening to yourself over and over and over. I'm just like, ⁓ I hate And the thing is that like when you're editing you're not really listening to the whole audio, just listening to the bits and fragments and you just lose the whole audio in the process in a way somewhere. So that's like the first lesson after it's done. It's that's fucking cool and that's fun. And like the idea of yourself learning that and being able to do it, obviously not the way that pro does it, but still, ⁓ it's you. It's you who did it. Yeah. Like, you know, against all fucking odds. Yeah. And it's a whole nother level of achievement. Like I did every bit of that, like from start to finish. Like, you know. Yeah. That's the thing. Have you written anything yet? Have you written any scripts or anything for yourself? Yeah. Yeah. It just like I I try so hard to write actual script that ⁓ is like a monologue, so so like a regular script that you hear. But I never could imagine the listener. answering to me so I can answer to him. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. It's hard. Response to response to response. No, I I couldn't like never wrap it around my head. So I wrote a lot of like short and longer narratives. So it's just my monologue, me talking. But never like actual dialogue script. I tried so many times but never worked out. Yeah. I mean it's difficult. Like we talk about that all the time. Like just doing these scripts and like finding finding the natural like flow of a conversation without actually being in a conversation is so hard. It's really And you guys all do it so well. Yeah, that's something that's such an art that I don't think people even really appreciate. But it's the same time for scriptwriters. ⁓ they are really often not appreciated enough. That's why I said it and that's why I always try to work with different people and try to like share the work and appreciate them and and work with them like on the fair level and on the like being equal because ⁓ just because I get listened I mean I without the script ⁓ like I cannot write the whole script, like the regular script. So without that I could just do an improv. But still that that will not like one is not better than the other and even it's very visible and audible that ⁓ scriptwriters are very often ⁓ not appreciated enough and that's fucked up. Yeah, we try really hard. It's so hard to fucking write the script. It's so hard. So hard. I I don't understand. I mean like e to me it's even harder than writing like like even like say a book because Like you said, it's so difficult to pull out that that part of another person you're speaking basically to someone and that person's not even in the script and it's that's very difficult. Yeah. I don't know how they do it. But yeah, we try really hard to have, you know, a good balance and mix of, you know, script writers and VAs because it's like I think that people don't like you said, that people that write don't really get, you know, appreciated as much as they should. Yeah, that that much like level or amount of credit. Yeah, that's true. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Well Be had technical difficulties, so we are going to continue. Let's see. So I have like two more questions. Okay. And I want to make sure all the get all the ⁓ fan questions get asked because they were sweet enough to leave us questions. So okay. Sassy Red Vixen wants to know what was the hardest lesson for him to learn in the first year, and what is the one piece of advice you wish you had been given before? ⁓ was again what was the question? The hardest lesson? Hardest lesson to learn in the first year. ⁓ lesson, okay. I think the hardest lesson was for me to accept that ⁓ not everybody will like what I do. Not everybody will like my audio and It was some I I think it's something that I'm still learning in a way. Because you can never learn it like completely and truly and one hundred percent. It's because you want you want your work to be appreciated by everybody, every single person. And it will never happen. And you still try, like nonetheless. But it's something that and I think it it's the also the answer for the next question that it's something that I wish I knew before I started. That like no like there is no possibility, there is no way that everybody will like what you do. And there will and also don't compare yourself to others. ⁓ I mean it can work both ways because it can it can drive you. It can be a reason for you to improve, but also it's like a double edged sword because it can also bring you down so much easily because when you see somebody is more successful and sometimes not necessarily doing amazing job. It just happen. It can be ⁓ like ⁓ I don't know, there can be many reasons for it. It can be luck, it can be something other s something else. But ⁓ do what you do if it makes you happy, if it makes you glad, if if just do your fucking thing because you're doing it well. And you bring happiness for a lot of people, not for everybody, and ⁓ you won't be like others, but just do your shit, man. That would be my answer. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. I agree. And whoever whoever doesn't like it, that's okay. It's fine. There's plenty of people out there who do. Yeah, that's okay. That's one that that's that's the thing. That's okay. It they they don't have to like it. But there are f there are people who like it and that's that's cool. Show me the like most popular VA with like the most views ever and I'll tell you and there's somebody that doesn't like Yeah, obviously. Yeah. It's it's very personal. ⁓ kind of cake, let's call it, because it's a voice, it's a body, it's a it's a it's a photo, it's a clip, it's it's something then ⁓ I mean we all have personal preferences. And sure there are people who statistically works for more people than others. but still yeah just do your job because you're good. Yeah. That's that's the good answer. I think that's perfect. Okay. Lila Sailor said is there a VA, male or female, whom you'd like to collab with someday? ⁓ ha ha ha. I then obviously we're gonna make the fucking part second part obviously. I know. I know. I'm gonna tell him that 'cause I'm I'm we're talking to him tomorrow. So I'm definitely gonna tell him more latency. We need to do the second part. Then there might be even an ID. I don't know. I never said anything. So that's that. And I think maybe like something that I did with Flynn, maybe a peaches would be fine because I think our voices compliment as well because ⁓ with the audiobook ⁓ that we have a scene like on the ending. In the end yeah, in the book. And I think it sounds really fucking well and we would sound like pretty good together. Yeah, and you guys have similar like personalities too. You're both like kinda playful and and fun. I think that would be a And I think it would it would end really fucking good audio. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I would like to So maybe maybe that that's that's the answer. That would be really cool. Yeah. Yeah. That would be so funny. Yeah, he's one of the only ones that's like you and and him, like you guys man, you guys really ⁓ you really put it out there with the with the videos on the on the Instagram. Damn. Okay. Yeah. Both of you. Both of you go to jail. Okay. I do have a few funny questions. Okay, so if you were a meme or what is your favorite meme? Like if you were a meme, what would your favorite meme be? I'm just a baby, obviously. Just a baby. Yeah. Definitely. I don't know why I like it so much and I use it. And I mean I'm just a baby with adult money, I guess, that's all. That's all I I'm just you know what? Fair. I'm the same way. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just a baby, but I but it's really bad because I can buy things. Yeah, that's exactly the thing. Yeah. I'm just a baby. ⁓ my god, that's so funny. Okay. If you could only communicate with animal noises. What animal noise? Meow. Obviously. Obviously. Yeah, there there could be another answer. Are you wanting to do more audiobooks? ⁓ yeah, I would love to. It's it's very, very different than like audios or scripts. It's so different, but in the same time it's so rewarding because it's ⁓ force you to act differently because when I do an audio or when I do a script, ⁓ I can imagine the answer from the listener. While here there will be established answer, there will be established tone that for example another voice actor does, and I have to fit it. I have to I I cannot overdo it and also I cannot act because my voice have to amplify the words because they are most important in books, not my voice. I cannot act like I'm acting audio, for example, because it would take away the attention from the book, from the words, from the scene, from the sense ⁓ of the book, and ⁓ I cannot overdo it. And I think it's the same with narration and stuff. Mm I cannot be blank, I cannot be like plain and stuff, but I cannot like overshadow the words and the book itself. So it's really, really hard but it gives a lot of experience, I think. Yeah, you just find the balance. Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing. That's a good I didn't even think about that, but yeah. So this will be your last question, Late. What will what is your favorite thing to hear from a listener whenever they talk about you or your audios or something that just really makes you feel good about what you've done? That I brought emotion. Whether it's ⁓ it's a comfort, whether it's a spicy emotion, whether it's just anything, whether it's just a moment of I don't know, you just forget how fucked up was your day to day. And you just listen and you smile or you smirk and you just think ⁓ my god, late, fuck off. It's the best fucking feeling in the world. Yeah, I do that a lot. Yeah. And just you know, just ⁓ that I did any kind of impression that being like a faceless idea in a way because yeah I do put some like clips and photos and stuff but still like ⁓ the most important thing which is my face ⁓ is not there so I am like Patrick Bateman said I am an idea. There isn't an idea of me of late somewhere out there. And me like making an impression on people who are like thousands miles away from me and that we can talk and then and that we can just communicate in any way. It's really amazing. So me bringing any kind of emotions, ⁓ a good Important ones or just calm and the feral ones. It's it's all that matters to me. Yeah, I mean emotion's emotion. Just making people feel is you know, is huge. 'Cause sometimes people go throughout their their whole lives or their whole days just numb. And not really. Yeah, being numb, that's the thing I was about to say. Yeah. But just making someone have like a reaction or or feel something and just wakes them up a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. And just like I'm so glad that I found my niche and I found like my way into audiorhoca and I w I was able to improve and like like get into places and talk with people and meet so many amazing creators and and editors and scriptwriters and listeners and fans and everybody. And ⁓ it's something that I never anticipate that would happen. It's like I said in my anniversary audio. I would fucking never like If I would just go back in time like two years ago, let's say, that dude you're gonna fucking moan into microphone. I would just laugh at myself. You're gonna moan into microphones and you're gonna have the most friends you've ever had in your life and you're gonna feel so good about yourself and you're gonna feel so fulfilled from moaning in a fucking microphone. Yeah. I mean what were the odds? And especially here that it's not not Not present in any space here. Yeah. yeah. Yeah. No, I love that I love that. Yeah, I think it's I think that's the thing that takes everyone by surprise is that, you know, you think you're just gonna do something because you know, whatever, it passes the time or it's extra money or it's something to do or it's something you're passionate about and then you end up with this whole experience that you never expected. And I think that's what every it's that's what's so special about it. The community when I did the first audio, I would never think that I will keep doing that and like seeing myself a year ago and right now where I am, what I did, what I have, ⁓ what I got because of that, who I met because of that, is it it feels like it really overwhelming because one year it's it's not a long period of time in this. And so many things happened. And so many things are happening. Like Day by day. So it's it's a lot and it can be dangerous because then you just realize that you're so tired of that. ⁓ not because of people, but you're just Yeah. You just don't have any idea. You just you're just tired, your voice is just tired, or you for example, you get sick and obviously you have to wait until you record and then you just realize ⁓ my god, I don't know if I want to do it. Yeah. And I or or then you just realize you're just finding things to do instead of that. That okay, you know, maybe I'll just record tomorrow. I'll just read a book today. And then tomorrow you just think, ⁓ I don't feel it today. And then you realize you didn't record anything. And yeah, that's that's the fear of it. But thankfully it's not here yet. And hopefully, like so many interviews and so many shows in six months and then I said you know what I'm gonna take a month and just kind of calm down and you know do a little bit less I was doing like three live shows a week I was doing you know plus the podcast and it was just like it was a lot and I said you know what I'm gonna take a month and I'm just gonna calm down I'm only gonna do a few things and then this month like trying to get that momentum to like start DMing people and start asking for interviews again. It's hard once you've gotten out of it. And I was like, I'm never gonna do that again. I'm never gonna get out of the habit because once you get out of it, it's just it's so hard to hard to go back. Yeah. Not that and it's not because I don't love it, because I love it. I love everything about it. But it's like it's just that it's it's just that first step that's always the hardest. Yeah. Yeah. I get it. When you mean so much. Yeah. Because I wake up at five AM every day. Even on Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and when you when you you gotta fucking wake up at five AM every day because you do it every day and when you're out, when you sleep too long, you just fell off the routine and that's that's important to have. Exactly. Exactly. Even if it's something you enjoy, even if it's something that you love, it's still a habit that you have to upkeep. Yeah. And upkeep is difficult. Even if you love it. So Yeah. Exactly. Dude, it's so fun. It's been so fun talking to you. And you like I said, you mean so many people so much to so many people in this community. You are such a sweet presence. You are a fucking menace. But we all love you. I know. But we love you anyway, even though you're a menace. ⁓ I tell you to fuck off at least once a week, but lovingly. And ⁓ B does too. She loves you as well. ⁓ you are I as we said before, you are now a part of the family, so Anything that happens or that you want to talk about or that you want to celebrate, we would love to help celebrate you every time you need to talk about it. So ⁓ thank you. I appreciate you so much being here and taking so much time to hang out and I I this has been really great. So I've learned so much about you. Yeah, that's true. And like like we thought ⁓ like asking and talking about not personal things can get you so y you you can you can know the other person. Yeah. Unl ⁓ like but you have to be honest. That's the thing. Right. And I'm really, really happy that I'm here, that you invited me and you took a time to talk to me and ask me questions. And yeah, it was just a lot of fun and felt so natural and not forced or anything, not awkward or anything like that. So it's amazing and you'll do ⁓ great things, trust me. That makes me happy. Thank you. That's that's ⁓ honestly, I mean that that's like that's like know how I asked you like what you want to hear from that's like the nicest thing you could say to me is that because like we really do just want to have it just have conversations. Like it I don't want it to feel like an interview or feel forced or feel uncomfortable. So that that really does mean a lot. Thank you. Okay, well I guess we're done three hours later. I we're time to go. I warned you. I'm i I really had fun and I really enjoyed it and thank you for having me. I enjoyed it and definitely we're gonna have we we're gonna have to do this again. So a good look on the book and everything that you've got going on. Like I just know that things are just gonna keep going up and up and up for you because you're amazing. ⁓ thank you. And you're amazing too and I want you to tell be the same. I wouldn't yeah. I'm really thank you for for having me and it's been amazing. Thank you for being here. Can I do the kiss now or How about that? I'll just pretend you did it back. Yeah, I d I just did, but I I will. I will the second time. Thank you. ⁓ thanks for being here. Okay. Go to bed. I know I've kept you like really, really late. So have a good night and I'll be telling you to fuck off the next time I see you do a Thirst trap on my phone. ⁓ I have something planned. ⁓ my god. You're not ready. I'm not ready. I'm not. I'm not ready. ⁓ Okay. I'm gonna go prepare myself, okay? Yeah, that's true. All right, bud, thank you so much. Thanks. You have a good night. It was really a pleasure. Hey. Bye. Bye.