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Speaker 3: Everybody, Welcome to The Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN seven
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Speaker 3: Happy to be with you. We got a fun show
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Speaker 3: lined up for you.
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Speaker 4: You're gonna get a lot of meat today, but you
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Speaker 4: can you can handle that.
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Speaker 2: Ari Tempkin is going to join us.
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Speaker 3: We've got plenty of discuss in the world of college
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Speaker 3: football now that we've crowned a national champion and we
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Speaker 3: start to turn the page towards spring football.
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Speaker 2: Whether or not any of these.
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Speaker 3: Lawsuits are going to be decided, and the ripple effect
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Speaker 3: that those things are going to send across college football
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Speaker 3: will get into all of that. Of course, NFL playoffs
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Speaker 3: this weekend, AFC and NFC Championship games setting up a
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Speaker 3: super Bowl matchup that is I mean, look, I already
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Speaker 3: didn't have a horse in the race because the San
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Speaker 3: Francisco forty nine ers embarrassed themselves with their performance against
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Speaker 3: the Seattle Seahawks in the divisional round now Seahawks Patriots.
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Speaker 4: It doesn't feel like there's a ton of juice. You'd
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Speaker 4: have to correct me.
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Speaker 3: If I'm wrong eight seven seven three five three zero
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Speaker 3: seven hundred it. It might just be a personal thing.
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Speaker 3: I don't care for either of these teams all that much. Now,
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Speaker 3: the storylines abound, there's a lot of redemption to be discussed,
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Speaker 3: and it's cool to see at the very very highest
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Speaker 3: level of the most popular sport in our great nation,
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Speaker 3: and a reminder on both sides of the Super Bowl
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Speaker 3: matchup that hey, maybe don't rush to judgment on things
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Speaker 3: good or bad.
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Speaker 2: Sam Donald.
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Speaker 4: A lot of people had already written Sam Donald off
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Speaker 4: even after.
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Speaker 3: His resurgence with the Minnesota Vikings. I mean, the Minnesota
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Speaker 3: Vikings decided to let a fourteen win quarterback walk and
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Speaker 3: he had bad playoff appearances. He had bad end of
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Speaker 3: season appearances for the Minnesota Vikings. So I get why
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Speaker 3: it would put a bad taste in your mouth. But
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Speaker 3: there are guys with worst records and worse performances who
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Speaker 3: have been given more friendly treatment from their franchises, and
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Speaker 3: Seattle saw something like something. Sean Payton has had this
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Speaker 3: reputation with quarterbacks, and there's a bunch of guys in
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Speaker 3: the league that have looked at guys by the way,
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Speaker 3: Sean Payton obviously not the Seattle coach, but you know
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Speaker 3: what I'm getting at here where Andy Reid has this
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Speaker 3: where he sees a thing that maybe not everyone else sees.
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Speaker 3: And I think that he did that twice just in
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Speaker 3: his Kansas City tenure. He saw the Alex Smith promise,
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Speaker 3: and then he also saw that even as good as
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Speaker 3: Alex Smith was, that there could be an improvement, a
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Speaker 3: step up if you replaced him with Patrick Mahomes.
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Speaker 2: And he was right on both counts.
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Speaker 3: And Seattle looked at what Sam Donald had done in
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Speaker 3: Minnesota and what Sam Donald had been I guess subjected
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Speaker 3: to from the draft through his backup stint with San
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Speaker 3: Francisco and all that, and said, no, there's more, There's
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Speaker 3: more in the tank here. And now Sam Donald is
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Speaker 3: going to be one of the potentially great redemption stories
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Speaker 3: in the history of the NFL if he can cap
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Speaker 3: off this run and bring another Super Bowl back to
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Speaker 3: the Seattle Seahawks, which I.
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Speaker 2: Desperately hope he doesn't do.
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Speaker 3: On the opposite side, you have the hindsight experience now
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Speaker 3: for Tennessee Titans fans who let Mike Rabel go, and
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Speaker 3: Mike Rabel returns to the land of his heritage, so
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Speaker 3: to speak, and has the new England Patriots on the
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Speaker 3: brink of another Super Bowl, the same Patriots organization under
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Speaker 3: the same Patriots ownership that utilized him on both sides
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Speaker 3: of the ball in significant roles as a player, and
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Speaker 3: now he gets to go back. And I was listening
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Speaker 3: to Rich Eisen on the way in and he Rich
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Speaker 3: was spouting the virtues of Mike Rabel, who's very very
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Speaker 3: popular in NFL circles, very highly respected in NFL circles,
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Speaker 3: and he brought up, look, if you win to Super Bowl,
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Speaker 3: you got to build a statue with Mike Rabel because
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Speaker 3: he will have Super Bowl rings as a player and
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Speaker 3: as a coach in that case. And that is I mean,
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Speaker 3: that's as significant or more significant than being the coach
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Speaker 3: of the dynastic team.
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Speaker 2: I also wonder if people are starting.
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Speaker 3: To re examine their views of Bill Belichick, because you
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Speaker 3: can never unwrite the history that he and Tom Brady
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Speaker 3: authored together, but you can certainly revise your opinion of
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Speaker 3: that history. Now that Tom Brady got a Super Bowl
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Speaker 3: without Bill Belichick, and the New England Patriots are potentially
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Speaker 3: gonna get another Super Bowl pretty quickly without Bill Belichick,
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Speaker 3: and Bill Belichick is now doing something else, and it
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Speaker 3: seems like that's not gonna work out all that well.
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Speaker 3: Now give it time at North Carolina, or give it
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Speaker 3: time if Bill somehow gets his way back into the NFL,
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Speaker 3: maybe we could see something different. But I think that
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Speaker 3: the eagerness to put Bill Belichick as the goat coach
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Speaker 3: in the history of the NFL because of that run
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Speaker 3: he had natural but also looking.
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Speaker 4: At it again and saying, wait a second, is this
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Speaker 4: is this the accurate assessment of what he was able
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Speaker 4: to do? I think it's healthy to re examine that
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Speaker 4: based on the success of the guys under him without him,
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Speaker 4: and then the organization without him. Of course, the latter
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Speaker 4: is the harder comparison to make, because Bill's absence is
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Speaker 4: not doing anything to help New England right now. It's
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Speaker 4: just the fact that one of his disciples, Mike Rabel,
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Speaker 4: is the guy that came back in and is now
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Speaker 4: doing it again.
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Speaker 2: Maybe I'm looking at it wrong.
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Speaker 3: Maybe it speaks more to the greatness of Bill Belichick,
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Speaker 3: that the guys that spend time under him don't even
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Speaker 3: need him to win. Maybe that's the ultimate goal of parenting, right.
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Speaker 3: We all want our kids to go out and be
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Speaker 3: better than us, to not need us.
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Speaker 2: It's the.
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Speaker 3: Oxymoronic or the cruelty of parenting is that if the
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Speaker 3: better job you do, the less your kids need you.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe I'm looking at it wrong, and maybe that's
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Speaker 3: what this is saying about Bill Belichick, that the guys
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Speaker 3: that came up under him learned how to win so
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Speaker 3: well from him that they don't need him, and that
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Speaker 3: whatever organization they're part of is just kind of blessed
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Speaker 3: by his influence. I and oh see, I think that
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Speaker 3: I brought this up last week. I think that that's
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Speaker 3: been a hole in Belichick's resume up to this point
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Speaker 3: because all the other great, you know, multiple multiple time
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Speaker 3: Super Bowl winning coaches, there's a few exceptions, I guess
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Speaker 3: not all of them, but the ones that we all
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Speaker 3: rattle off as the greatest coaches of all time in
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Speaker 3: the NFL, they had incredible coaching trees.
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Speaker 2: They have a coaching tree that has that kind of success.
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Speaker 3: Rabel is the and and there's arguments as to what
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Speaker 3: constitutes a coaching tree that gets a little more of
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Speaker 3: the weeds, Like just because you played for a guy,
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Speaker 3: but you know ever coached under him, does that make
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Speaker 3: you part of the coaching tree?
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Speaker 2: Whatever.
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Speaker 3: Vrabel never coached under Belichick, but he'd played for him
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Speaker 3: a long time, I would say, yeah, put him part
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Speaker 3: of the tree. Like other than Brian Flores, who had
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Speaker 3: a decent run at Miami but then was unceremoniously fired
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Speaker 3: because he was hard to deal with, hard to work
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Speaker 3: with despite his his moderate success there. He hasn't There
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Speaker 3: hasn't been another coach that's that's gotten even close to
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Speaker 3: a winning record that coached under Belichick. I mean Josh McDaniels,
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Speaker 3: for crying out loud, has had two different chances and
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Speaker 3: they they both ended terribly right. But yet he always
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Speaker 3: comes back to the Patriots and looks like one of
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Speaker 3: the best offensive coordinators in the league. I'm afraid that
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Speaker 3: this run is gonna get McDaniels another head coaching job.
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Speaker 2: By the way, but this is there.
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Speaker 3: There's so many examples of guys who have struggled under
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Speaker 3: who used to coach under Belichick, struggled as head coaches
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Speaker 3: Now it's like having vaybel get his former team in
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Speaker 3: Belichick's former team to the Super Bowl again. I think
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Speaker 3: almost strengthens Belichick's uh reputation is the greatest of all time.
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Speaker 3: At the end of the day, you get a Patriot
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Speaker 3: Seahawks matchup that has one way or the other, no
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Speaker 3: matter who wins, that has a redemptive arc, the completion
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Speaker 3: of redemptive arc for either the coach or the quarterback.
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Speaker 3: And of course, these are the two most prominent personalities,
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Speaker 3: positions faces of any organization in college football.
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Speaker 2: The quarterback Sam Donald.
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Speaker 3: It's gonna be really fascinating to watch how we decide
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Speaker 3: to treat Sam Donald if he can win a Super Bowl.
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Speaker 3: And of course, uh, I'm two weeks ahead of myself
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Speaker 3: because we don't get to decide these things until the
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Speaker 3: game is actually over. But you know, there are plenty
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Speaker 3: of guys where we look at them winning super Bowls,
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Speaker 3: we'll be like, well, even Joe Flacco won a Super Bowl.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Trent Dilfer won a.
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Speaker 4: Super Bowl and we never really give them the props
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Speaker 4: for it. Now, I don't think Trent Dilfer and Joe
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Speaker 4: Flacco were the same kind of quarterback. I think Joe
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Speaker 4: Flacco was a significantly better quarterback over the course of
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Speaker 4: his career than Trent Dilfer was. Uh, Seattle's got the
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Speaker 4: number one scoring defense in all of NFL football. That's
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Speaker 4: the analogy, is that to what Trent Dilfer was able
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Speaker 4: to ride the success. I mean, there's and I'm just
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Speaker 4: using sort of the modern day examples. You go back
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Speaker 4: through the history of of NFL football, there's a lot
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Speaker 4: of guys you're just like, oh, that guy, even that
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Speaker 4: guy won a Super Bowl.
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Speaker 3: I was just I was just looking through because there
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Speaker 3: was the wild Uh there's a wild thing that made
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Speaker 3: its way its way through social media that this this
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Speaker 3: same Darnold speaking of him is the first USC quarterback
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Speaker 3: to start a Super Bowl.
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Speaker 2: That's right, So I.
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Speaker 3: Would so I went back and looked at quarterbacks who
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Speaker 3: have played in the Super Bowl. There, you know, was
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Speaker 3: a to verify it. And also, like you had, I
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Speaker 3: was able to see things like you had Jeff Hostettler
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Speaker 3: for the Giants win a Super Bowl. It's like, no
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Speaker 3: one knows who that is unless you were a Giants
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Speaker 3: fan or an NFL fan from that era. Someone like
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Speaker 3: me who wasn't born yet has never heard of that guy, right,
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Speaker 3: But that guy's a Super Bowl winning quarterback. So it
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Speaker 3: is wild that the amount of not Hall of Fame
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Speaker 3: guys nowhere near Hall of Fame reputations and certainly not
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Speaker 3: in the Hall of Fame. In a lot of these
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Speaker 3: cases won super Bowls. Brad Johnson won a Super Brad Johnson,
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Speaker 3: Nick Foles won a Super Bowl. There's a lot of
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Speaker 3: guys that you look at that and you know, because
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Speaker 3: super Bowls are not a quarterback stat, their wins are
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Speaker 3: not a quarterback stat. But we have turned it into
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Speaker 3: that because they are the most influential and important. It's
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Speaker 3: very fascinating because we don't necessarily do this with pitchers
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Speaker 3: in baseball. We don't say, well, how many World Series
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Speaker 3: as he won? We say what about Cy Young Awards?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 3: Stats or may we are way more important to Hall
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Speaker 3: of Fame legacy world than championships in baseball, which is insane.
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Speaker 4: By the way, because football's even more of a team
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Speaker 4: sport than baseball is.
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Speaker 2: Pitching is just as important.
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Speaker 3: Of course, you'd even when you have a great game,
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Speaker 3: you probably get pulled out. As a pitcher, you don't
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Speaker 3: really get to do the complete game. So there's an
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Speaker 3: apples to orangest thing here. But we've decided to make wins,
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Speaker 3: and very specifically in professional football, Super Bowl wins a
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Speaker 3: quarterback stat and it's gonna be really interesting to see
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Speaker 3: how we treat Sam Darnold if he wins a Super Bowl.
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Speaker 3: Drake May is young enough that we'll just see what happens.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: I think he'll get vaulted into this same way that
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Speaker 3: because he was. He's probably gonna finished second in m
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Speaker 3: VP this year and he's so young, I think he'll
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Speaker 3: get vaulted into can he pass Tom Brady and Patrick
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Speaker 3: Mahomes and super Bowl like he because he's got that
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Speaker 3: no doubt about it talent, and Sam Darnold did coming
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Speaker 3: out of the NFL. But there was so many years
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Speaker 3: where we thought he was a bust that it's kind
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Speaker 3: of too late to go back to, oh, no doubt
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Speaker 3: about it talent. Look at this, he's he's making making
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Speaker 3: good on it.
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Speaker 4: And look, it puts a bad taste in my mouth
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Speaker 4: to say it, but credit to you Seattle as a
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Speaker 4: city and as an organization for now. I mean, the
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Speaker 4: Geno Smith thing, the resurgence of his career never made
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Speaker 4: it to a super Bowl, but very very real in Seattle,
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Speaker 4: right under a different coach completely.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the organization was very, very different.
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Speaker 3: But somehow you did this now with effectively back to
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Speaker 3: back guys that were cast offs and busts and afterthoughts
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Speaker 3: in other organizations. So I don't know what you have
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Speaker 3: in your Kirkland signature bottled water up there or whatever, but.
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Speaker 2: It is it's helping.
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Speaker 4: And for whatever reason, I always believe that Sam Donald
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Speaker 4: was a better player than what we were getting, even
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Speaker 4: I was excited when he was gonna be the Niners
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Speaker 4: backup because I was like, oh, this guy's I really
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Speaker 4: like him as a player. And I think it goes
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Speaker 4: back to when we saw his first real action as
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Speaker 4: a college football player. He came to Rice Cycle Stadium
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Speaker 4: as a true freshman and played great in what was
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Speaker 4: ultimately a USC loss. But he was not the problem
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Speaker 4: for that loss.
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Speaker 3: He was making some big time throws, some big time
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Speaker 3: plays in that game. And I think that's probably why
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Speaker 3: I've always been like, man, Sam Donald is better than
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Speaker 3: what we're giving him credit for. In the NFL, and
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Speaker 3: if you're the Jets, and more pointedly, if you're the Vikings,
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Speaker 3: you have to be looking at this and being like, man,
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Speaker 3: what kind of mistake did I make? If you're the
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Speaker 3: Titans and you let Mike Rabel go and now he's
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Speaker 3: on the brink of a Super.
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Speaker 2: Bowl victory with his organization, the.
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Speaker 3: New England Patriots, the team that he probably always wanted
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Speaker 3: to coach for and be the head coach for, you
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Speaker 3: got to be looking at yourself if you're the Titans.
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Speaker 3: And at that point it goes all the way to
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Speaker 3: ownership when you're the Titans, because ownership has to sign
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Speaker 3: off on a head coaching change.
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Speaker 2: Quarterback change.
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Speaker 3: A lot of times owners will get involved, but that's
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Speaker 3: the personnel department, that's your GM.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes it's your head coach whatever.
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Speaker 4: If you're the Titans, you're looking at and just going like,
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Speaker 4: if this guy that we fired is gonna go and
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Speaker 4: win a Super Bowl right away, we look like the
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Speaker 4: biggest morons on the planet. And then you look further
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Speaker 4: into your own organization and you're just like, have we
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Speaker 4: really drafted well ever?
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Speaker 2: Have we not? Ever?
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Speaker 4: But recently have we done anything good? Are we making
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Speaker 4: the right decision with our stadiums and things like like,
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Speaker 4: if you're the Titans and Mike Rabel wins a Super
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Speaker 4: Bowl championship.
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Speaker 3: You really got to stand in front of the mirror.
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Speaker 3: You gotta take your shirt off, you gotta take your
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Speaker 3: pants off. I guess you could leave the undies on
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Speaker 3: and just be like, all right, let me take a
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Speaker 3: real self assessment. Here, Am I as smart in shape,
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Speaker 3: good looking and talented as I think I am? And
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Speaker 3: the answer is gonna come back? No, you really? And
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Speaker 3: you gotta like turn all the lights on so that
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Speaker 3: there's not just the one that's overhead that does the shadows,
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Speaker 3: so you look good in the mirror, like, look at
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Speaker 3: the muscular definition. You just gotta have the floodlights on
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Speaker 3: your beck. Oh, what the heck is is that mole?
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Speaker 3: Why is it shape like that? It used to be circular.
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Speaker 3: Now it looks like Australia. What's going on here? By
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Speaker 3: the way, The other angle to this with Mike Rabol
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Speaker 3: and the mistake by Tennessee to let him go is
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Speaker 3: he never had a top talent quarterback at Tennessee. He
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Speaker 3: had Derrick Henry and they rode him in a really
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Speaker 3: good defense to the AFC Championship game and multiple playoff appearances.
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Speaker 3: But Ryan Tannehill, who was another career resurgence guy for
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Speaker 3: a minute, he they were making do with him. He's
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Speaker 3: got They've got cam Ward Now now like Mike vrabel
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Speaker 3: is doing this, he's finally got a top tier quarterback
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Speaker 3: talent in Drake May Like, now Tennessee's got cam Ward.
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Speaker 3: You gotta be like, oh man, if only we had
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Speaker 3: the right head coach.
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Speaker 4: What if you did have the right head but if
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Speaker 4: we had a good head coach and a good quarterback,
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Speaker 4: Because newsflash, that is basically the secret sauce.
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Speaker 2: Think are the rest out patchwork quilt.
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Speaker 3: As much as you need to do it, you got
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Speaker 3: those two things right, you're gonna make the playoffs.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.
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Speaker 4: If you have a good coach and a good quarterback,
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Speaker 4: you're making the playoffs. If you have a good coach,
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Speaker 4: a good quarterback, and a good defense, you're gonna make
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Speaker 4: it to conference championship week in the super Bowl. And
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Speaker 4: then if you have like a receiver and probably a
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Speaker 4: running back with those other pieces, now you can win
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Speaker 4: a super Bowl. And obviously you gotta have a you
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Speaker 4: gotta have a line that can protect your star quarterback.
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Speaker 4: That's that I mean, Colts fan, that's what killed Andrew Locke.
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Speaker 2: All right, that'll that will.
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Speaker 3: Honestly, if you're a Chargers fan right now, yeah, you're
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Speaker 3: thinking the sale. Justin Herber, you're thinking the same thing.
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Speaker 3: You're like, man, we I think we have a good coach.
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Speaker 3: I think we have a good quarterback. We need an
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Speaker 3: offensive line. And again it's why the NFL is the
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Speaker 3: ultimate team sport. You're you're seeing with both of these rosters,
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Speaker 3: and obviously I'm focusing on coach, quarterback, et cetera. You're
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Speaker 3: seeing though, all the way down the roster guys who
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Speaker 3: have had like this is their second chances, their third chances,
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Speaker 3: the better fit here.
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Speaker 4: There's plenty of local examples of this that we've had.
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Speaker 4: Kyle van Ney is probably the best one that makes
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Speaker 4: the most sense with me. When like Kyle van Ney
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Speaker 4: was an unbelievable college football player and then his first
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Speaker 4: landing spot in the NFL it just didn't fit, it
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Speaker 4: didn't make sense. And then he got with again the
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Speaker 4: exhausting to talk about New England Patriots, and all of
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Speaker 4: a sudden you were like, oh wow, look what this
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Speaker 4: guy's capable of. And then he got a big payday
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Speaker 4: with Miami and guess what, that didn't work out? Either
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Speaker 4: because Miami is an organization stinks out loud, and then
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Speaker 4: he ends up with the Baltimore Ravens, and that's a
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Speaker 4: good organization who recognizes his veteran leadership, his value in
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Speaker 4: that spot. The fact that now he's probably not as
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Speaker 4: much of a run around following receivers type linebacker. Let's
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Speaker 4: focus on his abilities as a pass rusher. He's kind
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Speaker 4: of reinvented himself that way. And because good organizations recognize
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Speaker 4: what you're good at.
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Speaker 2: That person's career.
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Speaker 4: And I'm using Kyle van Noy as an example, but
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Speaker 4: fill in the blank with any assortment of players that
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Speaker 4: you want. And now you've got look at what Rashid
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Speaker 4: Shaheed is doing for the Seattle Seahawks.
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Speaker 2: He's in a great organization now.
19:56
Speaker 4: And I don't think the Saints are a bad organization,
19:59
Speaker 4: but they're not on the level that the Seahawks are
20:01
Speaker 4: right now, as it much as it pains me to say,
20:04
Speaker 4: and look at where what Rashid Shaheed is in a
20:08
Speaker 4: Seahawks uniform.
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Speaker 2: He won them the damn divisional round game in the first.
20:13
Speaker 3: Play when he has the first big play of the
20:16
Speaker 3: game yesterday, Like he didn't have a big return yesterday.
20:21
Speaker 3: He's like he's had in two of their biggest games
20:24
Speaker 3: this season, regular season, postseason, but he had the like
20:26
Speaker 3: fifty yard catch that got things started for Seattle. Like, yeah,
20:30
Speaker 3: he's been he's been that guy that has had a
20:34
Speaker 3: resurgence or a breakout because he's been in the right situation.
20:40
Speaker 3: By the way, how cool is it for Connor O'Toole
20:45
Speaker 3: to be part of this Seattle Seahawks organization. A guy
20:49
Speaker 3: that we talk about good organizations, and we talk about
20:53
Speaker 3: good team coaches, and we talk about talent recognition. His
20:57
Speaker 3: career at the University of Utah should have been a
21:01
Speaker 3: great one. Unfortunately, he was not able to stay healthy.
21:05
Speaker 3: The coaching staff always believed in Conor O'Toole. That's probably why,
21:10
Speaker 3: even when he was rushing back from injuries, they would
21:14
Speaker 3: put him into the lineup in some cases, maybe prematurely
21:19
Speaker 3: before he was ready to really perform at his highest level,
21:23
Speaker 3: and he never had the production because of it. Well,
21:26
Speaker 3: Connor O'Toole looked no further than the fact that he
21:30
Speaker 3: was able to make an NFL roster as a testament
21:34
Speaker 3: to his talent.
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Speaker 2: And he's just he's strictly.
21:36
Speaker 3: A special teams guy right now for the Seattle Seahawks.
21:41
Speaker 3: But that's a dude who was at one point a
21:43
Speaker 3: wide receiver at the University of.
21:45
Speaker 4: Utah, like kind of, well, is this a really good fit?
21:49
Speaker 4: And then they were like, dude, put on some weight,
21:52
Speaker 4: let's make you a pass rusher. And if he ever
21:55
Speaker 4: gets in to be like an every down rotational type
21:57
Speaker 4: player in the NFL, it's going to be as a
22:00
Speaker 4: stand up linebacker. He's gonna have to pull an elvis
22:02
Speaker 4: for us, and instead he's he's in an organization where
22:09
Speaker 4: he makes a tackle a game, two tackles a game
22:12
Speaker 4: as a special teams guy, and he's gonna win a
22:15
Speaker 4: Super Bowl. Probably Seattle's favored right now. I think four
22:21
Speaker 4: and a half points in the way too early. We
22:25
Speaker 4: got a couple of weeks still before the game's actually played.
22:27
Speaker 4: But I don't think anything changes barring fluke practice injuries
22:33
Speaker 4: in those two weeks to make me think that Seattle
22:35
Speaker 4: should be the favorite. And obviously they are the favorite
22:38
Speaker 4: right now.
22:38
Speaker 3: And Conor O'Toole might get a dang ring Oh see
22:42
Speaker 3: is there speaking of that little tangent from Conor o'tool
22:47
Speaker 3: storyline for a second, is there anything worse when you're
22:52
Speaker 3: when you don't you don't have, you don't have your
22:54
Speaker 3: favorite team participating in a championship series or Super Bowl whatever,
23:00
Speaker 3: then just not liking either one of the teams, like
23:05
Speaker 3: it's terrible.
23:06
Speaker 2: It's terrible.
23:06
Speaker 3: Like the last time I remember doing this being in
23:09
Speaker 3: this situation was the last time the Patriots and Seahawks
23:13
Speaker 3: met in the Super Bowl, and the Seahawks are there,
23:17
Speaker 3: like the Braves. I mentioned the Braves. I just don't
23:19
Speaker 3: like the cut of their jib kind of thing. I
23:21
Speaker 3: don't really have a great reason why I've never liked them.
23:23
Speaker 3: I've got a little bit more of a reason now
23:26
Speaker 3: to not like the Seahawks.
23:27
Speaker 2: Come up, sales guy Chad.
23:30
Speaker 3: Are insufferable sales guy Chad with his Seahawks stuff, who
23:34
Speaker 3: is rightfully so gloating and feeling great about his favorite team.
23:40
Speaker 2: Yeah that's where he's from.
23:41
Speaker 3: But you know now I have like a man I
23:44
Speaker 3: don't I don't like.
23:46
Speaker 2: I don't like to have the tongue in cheek.
23:48
Speaker 3: I don't like to have that guy be gloating about
23:50
Speaker 3: a team I don't like very much within the super Bowl.
23:53
Speaker 3: But like the last time, the last time the Pats,
23:56
Speaker 3: and I just this is a new Pats era. I
23:59
Speaker 3: do like Mike Rabel as a coach. I despise Belichick,
24:02
Speaker 3: so it's different that way. I like Drake May as
24:06
Speaker 3: a quarterback. I did not like Tom Brady, so it's
24:08
Speaker 3: it's different. But it's still that team that I will
24:10
Speaker 3: never root for, Like I just had way too much
24:13
Speaker 3: childhood trauma of them beating the Colts and Peyton manning
24:16
Speaker 3: the playoffs too often.
24:17
Speaker 4: Uh, this is a sports talk radio host. You should
24:20
Speaker 4: never admit something like what I'm about to admit. But
24:24
Speaker 4: I've told you all, I'm gonna be on an airplane
24:27
Speaker 4: during most of the Super Bowl. And because this is
24:31
Speaker 4: the matchup. It's not that I don't want to watch
24:35
Speaker 4: it at all. It's not that I'm like hoping they
24:38
Speaker 4: don't have the Super Bowl. But if the Broncos, who
24:42
Speaker 4: is another team I don't root for and don't like,
24:44
Speaker 4: but with all of the former ut all the local
24:47
Speaker 4: interest bo Nix, who I covered his entire college career.
24:51
Speaker 4: If if I don't get to watch that Super Bowl
24:56
Speaker 4: with the Denver Broncos, I'm like mad. If I don't
24:59
Speaker 4: get to watch this Seattle Seahawks new England Patriots super Bowl,
25:02
Speaker 4: which would be the first super Bowl I haven't watched since.
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Speaker 2: I don't I mean maybe forever. Yeah, I was.
25:13
Speaker 4: Gonna say when I lived in Africa, I don't think
25:15
Speaker 4: I watched the super Bowl. But I didn't live in
25:16
Speaker 4: Africa during the super Bowl, so no, I this would
25:20
Speaker 4: be I'm not like, you know a lot of a
25:22
Speaker 4: lot of our listeners that served LDS missions. Maybe that's
25:26
Speaker 4: the window that they didn't get to watch the super
25:28
Speaker 4: Bowl for a couple of years.
25:29
Speaker 2: Those are the super Bowls that they missed. I didn't.
25:31
Speaker 2: I don't have that.
25:32
Speaker 3: I think I've watched every super Bowl since I became
25:34
Speaker 3: aware of what the super Bowl was, and this might
25:37
Speaker 3: be the first year where I'm just like, ah, I.
25:39
Speaker 2: Could do with that. I caught the highlights.
25:41
Speaker 3: But the thing about it is it probably is going
25:45
Speaker 3: to be a really good game, and so at least
25:48
Speaker 3: if you tune in, you you're gonna be entertained.
25:51
Speaker 2: I don't know.
25:52
Speaker 3: I part of me weirdly hopes that like the the
25:58
Speaker 3: under and I hate saying this, the underdog Patriots. It
26:02
Speaker 3: feels like a better story, but I hate it like
26:05
Speaker 3: it's the Patriots. If I have to choose a rooting
26:09
Speaker 3: interest here, I guess. I guess it's the Patriots, just
26:18
Speaker 3: because I don't want to see Seattle, a divisional rival
26:21
Speaker 3: of my San Francisco forty nine ers, win a championship,
26:24
Speaker 3: but have nice things happened for him.
26:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, was obviously a great story too, though.
26:28
Speaker 3: Although I would love to see Rashija heat and Conor
26:30
Speaker 3: O'Toole get rings. And then the Sam Donald story is
26:37
Speaker 3: also great. Like you, you root for a guy like
26:39
Speaker 3: Sam Donald too. It's just it's too bad he's on
26:41
Speaker 3: the Seahawks. It's kind of how it feels for me,
26:45
Speaker 3: all right. Sorry the Seahawks fans tuning in, I'm sorry
26:48
Speaker 3: for poop.
26:48
Speaker 4: I'm not sorry, Seahawks fans. I'm not sorry about that,
26:52
Speaker 4: all right, Because let's be honest. Most of you, all right,
26:56
Speaker 4: I'm looking dead into the camera here. If you're watching
26:58
Speaker 4: it on YouTube, most of you you see Hawks fans.
27:01
Speaker 4: Especially if you're above age thirty, you're bandwagon fans.
27:07
Speaker 2: Most of you.
27:08
Speaker 3: If you're not from the Pacific Northwest and you're a
27:12
Speaker 3: Seattle Seahawks fan, you jumped on the bandwagon because you
27:16
Speaker 3: liked the uniform redesign, or you started to like them
27:19
Speaker 3: when they got good with Marshawn Lynch, etc. You really
27:23
Speaker 3: liked Richard Sherman just just berating Aaron Andrews. You just
27:27
Speaker 3: enjoyed in the cantankerous nature of the former Stanford Cardinal
27:32
Speaker 3: Richard Sherman. Most of you are bandwagon fans seahawkers. All right,
27:37
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Speaker 4: weekend to sports or sports programming viewing whatever you had
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Speaker 4: basketball on hockey on you were waiting for the NFL playoffs.
29:28
Speaker 4: Saturday you had return to action by the UFC justin
29:34
Speaker 4: Gaichee with a championship victory over Patty pimblet For all
29:38
Speaker 4: of you out there who cared about that. I loved
29:40
Speaker 4: seeing it Justin Gaichee with an interim lightweight championship. He
29:45
Speaker 4: becomes the oldest person, at thirty seven years of age,
29:48
Speaker 4: becomes the oldest person to win a lightweight belt in
29:51
Speaker 4: the UFC, and he did it in pretty impressive fashion.
29:56
Speaker 3: Patty Pimblet was impressive too. He took a nasty beating
29:59
Speaker 3: but didn't go away. And the Paramount era of the
30:04
Speaker 3: UFC begins. They change their bonus structure to go along
30:08
Speaker 3: with their one point one billion dollar deal, sorry, one
30:13
Speaker 3: point one billion dollars per year from Paramount and Paramount Plus.
30:18
Speaker 3: So I think a successful start to that new partnership.
30:25
Speaker 3: I got to give credit where it's due for the UFC,
30:28
Speaker 3: because there's been a lot of conversation, especially in recent years.
30:33
Speaker 2: And look, they were they were subject to.
30:38
Speaker 3: A lawsuit, a class action lawsuit settlement that they already
30:42
Speaker 3: had to pay out. They've got another one coming and
30:44
Speaker 3: another one after that that is probably going to be
30:45
Speaker 3: even more costly for them, And so you know, the
30:49
Speaker 3: company reluctantly is doing things to try to meet fighters
30:53
Speaker 3: where they need to be when it comes to pay
30:55
Speaker 3: and they've now instituted a finished bonus. So anyone who's
30:58
Speaker 3: familiar with the sport. They would give out nightly bonuses
31:03
Speaker 3: three usually three three bonuses, Fight of the night, Performance
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Speaker 3: of the night, Submission of the night, whatever, And now
31:10
Speaker 3: anytime you get a finish, if you get if you
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Speaker 3: finish the fight, submission or knockout, you get twenty five grand.
31:15
Speaker 3: And then they doubled the bonuses for like Fight of
31:18
Speaker 3: the Night. Now it's one hundred grand instead of fifty grand,
31:20
Speaker 3: which is it's kind of a big deal.
31:22
Speaker 2: So uh.
31:23
Speaker 4: Anyway, shout out to Justin Gaechee, he's been on the
31:26
Speaker 4: show before, by the way, who is just a great
31:30
Speaker 4: dude and becomes the oldest lightweight champion, oldest person to
31:35
Speaker 4: win the lightweight belt in UFC history.
31:39
Speaker 3: Ari Tempkin joins us now to talk a little college football. Well,
31:44
Speaker 3: we'll talk all football with Ari Tempkin because he's just
31:46
Speaker 3: a fan of that sport, in every sport.
31:49
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back. How are you.
31:51
Speaker 5: I'm good?
31:51
Speaker 1: Oh?
31:52
Speaker 5: How are you? Man?
31:52
Speaker 2: I'm doing all right.
31:53
Speaker 4: It feels weird to not have like a you know,
31:55
Speaker 4: college football game to react to. Obviously, NFL playoffs and
32:00
Speaker 4: things like that are still going, but the football season
32:02
Speaker 4: on the college front from a competitive standpoint has been
32:06
Speaker 4: over and I'm starting to fade from consciousness.
32:08
Speaker 2: And I don't like that feeling.
32:10
Speaker 3: But plenty of off the field things that we have
32:13
Speaker 3: to discuss, and I'll start with the decision that was
32:16
Speaker 3: made last week to just keep the twelve team expanded
32:19
Speaker 3: college football playoff at twelve teams? Was this the right
32:23
Speaker 3: call for you?
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Speaker 5: I mean, it's interesting from the standpoint of you know,
32:30
Speaker 5: what were the other or the alternatives here? You know,
32:32
Speaker 5: the twenty fourteen playoffs seems a bridge too far at
32:36
Speaker 5: this point in time, and you know it, it feels
32:39
Speaker 5: like based on what it's been reported that you know,
32:43
Speaker 5: the SEC was all in on, as was the Big
32:46
Speaker 5: twelve and the ACC and now every other conference on
32:49
Speaker 5: expanding the sixteen teams with the Big ten, who's you know,
32:52
Speaker 5: obviously the second power broker here was basically like, it's
32:54
Speaker 5: twenty four or nothing, or at least you know, they
32:57
Speaker 5: had to have written in some sort of agreement that
33:00
Speaker 5: eventually they would work towards twenty four, which again I
33:03
Speaker 5: think is just a bridge too far. Maybe you know,
33:06
Speaker 5: at some point it makes a ton of sense, but
33:08
Speaker 5: to go from twelve to twenty four to double the
33:10
Speaker 5: pool and then what does that mean for conference championship
33:13
Speaker 5: games and the schedule, Like I think it's sixteen could
33:16
Speaker 5: have been a seamless transition, pretty easy. I think twenty
33:18
Speaker 5: four have taken a lot of adjusting the calendar, So
33:22
Speaker 5: you know, that's why we're at this impass. So I
33:25
Speaker 5: guess I'm fine with twelve. I'd definitely prefer twelve to
33:28
Speaker 5: twenty four. And it also feels, oh see, like this
33:33
Speaker 5: is just kind of the tip of the iceberg in
33:34
Speaker 5: terms of issues that we're dealing with need to get
33:37
Speaker 5: sort of finalized and settled here in college football.
33:42
Speaker 4: You mentioned the calendar, and the calendar was a major
33:44
Speaker 4: point of discussion this postseason, more so than any year
33:49
Speaker 4: I can remember. And you know, if COVID taught us
33:52
Speaker 4: anything it's that the college football world can be a
33:55
Speaker 4: lot more nimble than we ever gave it credit for
33:58
Speaker 4: previous two the shut down. Are we going to see
34:02
Speaker 4: any kind of significant votes, discussions, maybe even changes on
34:06
Speaker 4: the college football calendar in the short term?
34:10
Speaker 5: I mean, for me, I can't for the life it
34:13
Speaker 5: may figure out how there's some things that you know,
34:16
Speaker 5: we shouldn't have changed immediately. I mean, I think so
34:19
Speaker 5: there's there's sort of two thoughts here. There would be like, okay,
34:23
Speaker 5: the off season calendar, right, and you know, how do
34:27
Speaker 5: you adjust the off season calendar? And then there's the
34:29
Speaker 5: nd season calendar. I think the off season calendar, though,
34:33
Speaker 5: oh see, at this point is much easier to adjust.
34:35
Speaker 5: I mean, you have to look at a spring football
34:38
Speaker 5: still makes sense. Does the transfer portal window where it is,
34:44
Speaker 5: does that make sense? Does the early signing period make sense?
34:48
Speaker 5: I would say no, you know that that where we
34:51
Speaker 5: are at this point in time, to have the early
34:53
Speaker 5: signing window, which has become kind of the signing period
34:55
Speaker 5: in December makes zero sense. You know, it feels like
34:57
Speaker 5: you should move that back up to February when initially
35:00
Speaker 5: was so that you're in the fall on off season.
35:01
Speaker 5: Then it feels like, if we're following a model of
35:04
Speaker 5: the NFL off season, you go from you know, the
35:06
Speaker 5: signing period in February, the draft free agencies should be
35:09
Speaker 5: around there, so maybe the poral should be open at
35:11
Speaker 5: that point in time. And I know that that you know,
35:14
Speaker 5: Hamper's spring football, but springs football probably has to change too,
35:16
Speaker 5: and probably should be more mirroring that of an NFL
35:20
Speaker 5: off season with OTAs. So, you know, I feel like
35:24
Speaker 5: that's the most obvious change and move that needs to
35:27
Speaker 5: be happening, and yet we haven't really seen any adjustments.
35:29
Speaker 5: But like I would start with the off season schedule
35:32
Speaker 5: and then perhaps adjusts the end season schedule. But like
35:34
Speaker 5: the early signing period, to me, it's nonsensical for it
35:37
Speaker 5: to be, you know, exist anymore. I think initially the
35:40
Speaker 5: reason it was implemented made sense, but you know, now
35:43
Speaker 5: here we are six seven, eight years later from when
35:46
Speaker 5: it was initially implemented, and it doesn't make much sense anymore,
35:49
Speaker 5: especially where it is, so like for me, you go
35:51
Speaker 5: back to that February, it makes a lot more sense
35:53
Speaker 5: the season's over. I think you also have to adjust
35:55
Speaker 5: again when the portal is so that you're not running
35:57
Speaker 5: a portal into the end of the regular the end
35:59
Speaker 5: of the season. That also makes no sense. So it
36:02
Speaker 5: feels like those should both be kind of February events
36:04
Speaker 5: which then lead to some sort of get together with
36:07
Speaker 5: a team in spring. Probably they'll be pushed back a
36:09
Speaker 5: little bit in what we're used to with spring football,
36:11
Speaker 5: where it's you know, January February probably should be more
36:15
Speaker 5: towards February March, you know, and then into the summertime
36:18
Speaker 5: where you probably have more OTAs. I think like every
36:21
Speaker 5: school should be looking at it holistically, like the spring
36:23
Speaker 5: football still makes sense, and can we make, you know,
36:26
Speaker 5: adjustments to spring football that then allow us to adjust
36:29
Speaker 5: the signing period, the transit portal, and then you know,
36:33
Speaker 5: and then how we bring this team together at some point.
36:36
Speaker 3: Ari Tempkin is my guest here on the Sean O'Connell
36:38
Speaker 3: Show Big twelve today on tune in Radio, friend of
36:41
Speaker 3: the program, as he's joined us all football season long.
36:45
Speaker 3: Dabo Swinney is sometimes a punchline and sometimes he is
36:50
Speaker 3: a hero. And I will put the the most recent
36:53
Speaker 3: Dabo headline in the hero category. He went out name
36:58
Speaker 3: and names time Stamp and can Communications and calling out
37:02
Speaker 3: Ole Miss and their GM their staff for tampering with
37:06
Speaker 3: a linebacker recruit that was committed to and in class
37:12
Speaker 3: at Clemson. And you know, he he seems like he's
37:16
Speaker 3: pretty insistent they're going to pursue this to the ends
37:19
Speaker 3: of whatever earth Clemson wants to exist on.
37:22
Speaker 2: Right now?
37:23
Speaker 3: Will we see anything meaningful come out of this other
37:26
Speaker 3: than just a viral moment where Dabo got everyone's attention
37:31
Speaker 3: by highlighting and showing us the details of how tampering
37:35
Speaker 3: works in college football.
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Speaker 5: I'm so glad you brought this up and pointed this
37:40
Speaker 5: out because I'm totally on the same page with you
37:42
Speaker 5: in terms of, like, I love this, And there's probably
37:45
Speaker 5: no more credible coach that could speak out on this
37:47
Speaker 5: than Dabbo because we know that Dabo's not tampering with
37:50
Speaker 5: guys because he's barely playing the chart. So he's like
37:53
Speaker 5: the one dude where you can you know, it's kind
37:55
Speaker 5: of like the steroid era in baseball where it's like, man,
37:58
Speaker 5: there's so few guys that are actually not doing it
38:02
Speaker 5: that we could, you know, could we even properly identify
38:04
Speaker 5: who that is? And I think that's one hundred percent
38:06
Speaker 5: the case when it comes to tampering. Most coaches don't
38:08
Speaker 5: want to speak out. Again, it's against it because most
38:10
Speaker 5: are doing it, whether or not it's them directly or
38:12
Speaker 5: you know, intermediates. That's you know, that's the difference. I
38:16
Speaker 5: think if it comes to like will anything change here, man,
38:19
Speaker 5: it would they have to be horribly sloppy for anything
38:21
Speaker 5: to come to white here. You know, that's credible in
38:23
Speaker 5: terms of evidence, like that's like they would have to
38:27
Speaker 5: have direct communication between Pete Golding and these players. A
38:31
Speaker 5: lot of times you've got assistant coaches, analysts, even other
38:35
Speaker 5: go betweens that you know they're quote unquote maintaining relationships
38:38
Speaker 5: with the guys they start recruiting. So there's always, it
38:40
Speaker 5: seems like always an out that they would have even
38:43
Speaker 5: though it is tampering. And I think that's why it
38:45
Speaker 5: felt like tampering is just an impossible hill to climb.
38:48
Speaker 5: But I mean, I love Dabbo doing this because again
38:51
Speaker 5: he's one of the few guys where it's like, man,
38:53
Speaker 5: this is credible. We know he's we know he's not tampering.
38:56
Speaker 5: I mean, my god, he barely brings in transport players.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't like the portal.
39:02
Speaker 3: He's uh, he's like he's reluctantly decided they will actually
39:06
Speaker 3: bring in a couple of guys, but he's he's never
39:09
Speaker 3: going to rank real high on the transfer portal rankings.
39:13
Speaker 5: Right, So I mean, like, for me, he's the guy
39:15
Speaker 5: that if anybody can, you know, can speak out against
39:17
Speaker 5: it and make something happen, He's the guy. And then again,
39:19
Speaker 5: like how you know, how irresponsible was Pee Golding? In
39:23
Speaker 5: this and like, you know, is there enough that he
39:26
Speaker 5: can get out from an evidence standpoint or was he
39:28
Speaker 5: just you know, sloppy and and you know, I'm sure
39:31
Speaker 5: like a lot of other coaches are, which are you're
39:33
Speaker 5: leaving a paper trail behind which you know makes you
39:35
Speaker 5: look guilty. My guess is you know, he was probably
39:37
Speaker 5: a little bit smarter than that, and and you know,
39:40
Speaker 5: nothing will come of this, But look, I think we
39:43
Speaker 5: should see more and more coaches do this. I mean,
39:46
Speaker 5: I think of all of the issues that are plaguing
39:48
Speaker 5: in the sport, like hampering is certainly the top of mind,
39:52
Speaker 5: and I think probably the most difficult because you have
39:54
Speaker 5: to sort of prove intent and that's the harder part
39:57
Speaker 5: about it unless there's like a you know, very oppy
40:00
Speaker 5: paper trail that leads to it. So I think again,
40:03
Speaker 5: the more and more coaches are unwilling to speak out
40:06
Speaker 5: because more most of them are doing it, and so
40:09
Speaker 5: they don't, you know, they're not going to standing against it.
40:11
Speaker 5: I think if you had more that weren't doing it
40:13
Speaker 5: and then therefore speaking out against it, that would be
40:15
Speaker 5: better for the sport overall, because we know what happens,
40:17
Speaker 5: but it's happening. It's such a ridiculous degree that it,
40:20
Speaker 5: you know, I mean, it's it's it's upsetting.
40:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not always sympathetic to Dabbo swinning, but he
40:26
Speaker 4: might be kind of standing alone, dying on this hill,
40:29
Speaker 4: fighting this fight because all these other coaches are just
40:32
Speaker 4: like whistling by.
40:33
Speaker 2: I Yeah, Tamprigg's bad, but we're doing it too.
40:36
Speaker 4: So because if you, if you bust out the receipts
40:40
Speaker 4: like Dabo did, obviously the counterpoint to that as well,
40:44
Speaker 4: he let me pull out my receipts of a guy
40:46
Speaker 4: that you tampered with that was supposed to go here,
40:48
Speaker 4: and I think you hit that right on the head.
40:50
Speaker 2: Okay.
40:51
Speaker 4: So adjacent to this is the situation we've already talked
40:54
Speaker 4: about briefly with Darien Mensa, who was not in the
40:58
Speaker 4: transfer portal until the elect I'm in tower and it
41:01
Speaker 4: looked like he was staying at Duke, and then Miami
41:03
Speaker 4: apparently convinced him to jump into the transfer portal, and
41:06
Speaker 4: then Duke was like, no, we're going to enforce this contract.
41:10
Speaker 4: We think we have grounds to enforce this contract, and
41:13
Speaker 4: now they're at this strange impasse. Duke Darien mensa presumably Miami, where,
41:20
Speaker 4: you know, much like the demon Williams at Washington situation,
41:25
Speaker 4: Duke is trying to force a guy who doesn't want
41:27
Speaker 4: to be there anymore to be there or at least
41:29
Speaker 4: to get damages.
41:30
Speaker 2: And who's going to pay the damages? If it's not
41:32
Speaker 2: the kid, then is it? At Miami? What comes of this? Yeah?
41:36
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, and I'm glad you brought the
41:39
Speaker 5: Williams piece because you know, for all parties involved, it's
41:43
Speaker 5: a good thing they figured out a way to get
41:44
Speaker 5: that thing settled and rained in because you know, it
41:48
Speaker 5: does feel like these kids have opportunities to basically go
41:52
Speaker 5: wherever they want, whenever they want, regardless of these contracts.
41:55
Speaker 5: And you've got two things to play here. Number one,
41:57
Speaker 5: you know, are the schools willing to take these kids
42:00
Speaker 5: to jail? Are willing to take this to court and
42:02
Speaker 5: willing to fight this? You know, I think that's you
42:05
Speaker 5: have a lot of schools that maybe have guys that
42:06
Speaker 5: have left deals, you know, that are that are agreed
42:09
Speaker 5: to and signed contracts, that are not living up to
42:12
Speaker 5: those contracts and leaving in the schools are basically left
42:15
Speaker 5: with all right, are we gonna you know, are we
42:17
Speaker 5: gonna pay for this? Are we gonna sue them, are
42:18
Speaker 5: we gonna are we taken them to court? Or are
42:20
Speaker 5: we just gonna let this go because we don't want
42:22
Speaker 5: to sue a kid. And I think you're starting to
42:24
Speaker 5: have more and more examples of the schools fighting back
42:26
Speaker 5: in a way that maybe we didn't anticipate that they would.
42:29
Speaker 5: I mean, look, this all goes back to collective bargaining,
42:32
Speaker 5: right Like, there's no question the validity of these deals
42:35
Speaker 5: if they've been collectively bargained at the top in terms
42:38
Speaker 5: of what needs to be included in them. And I
42:41
Speaker 5: think the situation we have now it sucks because everybody's
42:44
Speaker 5: a free agent every year, and even if you've signed
42:47
Speaker 5: a multiple year deal with your school, you know they
42:51
Speaker 5: have their own outs and even if you say you've
42:53
Speaker 5: started the out line, you've agreed to this. I mean
42:56
Speaker 5: what we're seeing is in court these take take time,
43:00
Speaker 5: and so in the you know, in the interim, they're
43:03
Speaker 5: able to transfer and play and find loopholes to figure
43:06
Speaker 5: out ways to get on the field while this is
43:08
Speaker 5: being held up in court, it's not holding up their
43:10
Speaker 5: ability to play. And so yeah, I mean I think
43:12
Speaker 5: it's there's there's got to be something to do against it,
43:17
Speaker 5: but it feels like it's helpless in the same way
43:19
Speaker 5: the tampering feels like it's helpless because you know, even
43:22
Speaker 5: if you again you you're a school. In the case
43:24
Speaker 5: of Duke, like they're suing him, but it seeming able
43:27
Speaker 5: to then figure out a loophole to play at Miami
43:29
Speaker 5: while this is all still going on and hanging in
43:31
Speaker 5: and like, you know, who knows, three four years down
43:33
Speaker 5: the road, if this is finally settled, it's like, oh, okay,
43:35
Speaker 5: well his career is over, So what's the deal, you know,
43:37
Speaker 5: Like it's it's the it's this bizarre waiting game where
43:41
Speaker 5: you use the you know, the the our judicial system
43:46
Speaker 5: to your advantage in terms of the slow pace that
43:48
Speaker 5: it can go at it sometimes. So I think, like
43:51
Speaker 5: even in the case of I'm trying to stop him
43:53
Speaker 5: from playing the school, you can't do that because it
43:56
Speaker 5: takes too long and these guys already playing and seasons
43:59
Speaker 5: behind them by the time this thing is shown in court, Like,
44:02
Speaker 5: I mean, that's exactly what happened with the Wisconsin kid.
44:03
Speaker 5: Kid transfers to Miami. Scott's issuing him. Mean while he
44:06
Speaker 5: plays in the National Championship for them, and you know,
44:09
Speaker 5: I mean not what he's out of the NFL. It's
44:11
Speaker 5: still being settled in court, like who's is Wisconsin to
44:15
Speaker 5: keep paying for it? I think that's the issue here
44:17
Speaker 5: is these things drag out. In some cases, the kids
44:20
Speaker 5: have the opportunity to drag them out as much as
44:22
Speaker 5: they can, and if they have the resources to do so,
44:24
Speaker 5: they do it. But are the schools then, you know,
44:27
Speaker 5: willing to be on the hook from a legal standpoint
44:29
Speaker 5: for bills for years? That's I mean. And that's again
44:33
Speaker 5: why I think it's such a mess up system, where
44:35
Speaker 5: like they're almost disincentivized from enforcing these contracts. And it's ridiculous.
44:40
Speaker 2: Do you have a horse in the race in the
44:42
Speaker 2: Super Bowl matchup?
44:43
Speaker 5: We were gifted over the weekend, not the Patriots. That's
44:48
Speaker 5: my stance here. I mean, aren't we all sick and
44:50
Speaker 5: tired of seeing the Patriots win Super Bowls? Here?
44:53
Speaker 2: Yes?
44:55
Speaker 5: I mean I word for the Bears, Bears that are
44:57
Speaker 5: tremendously good season. I mean the Patriots dot when four
45:01
Speaker 5: and twelve or four and thirteen and two straight years
45:03
Speaker 5: and now here they are back in it it's it's
45:05
Speaker 5: a joke. It should not be this good, this quickly.
45:08
Speaker 5: Everybody else try to pay their dues. I mean, Cleveland's
45:11
Speaker 5: still rebuilding since, you know, in the early two thousands,
45:13
Speaker 5: and they left. When they left Cleveland went to Baltimore.
45:17
Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean, I feel like I'm with a
45:19
Speaker 5: lot of other people where it's like anybody with the
45:21
Speaker 5: Patriots at this point. It just they've won too much
45:23
Speaker 5: and this is too soon, and they need some pain.
45:25
Speaker 5: Those Boston sports fans need some pain here.
45:28
Speaker 4: Is there is there anything that we can extrapolate to
45:31
Speaker 4: the college football world about the the Mike Rabel run
45:35
Speaker 4: out of Tennessee and now on the verge of winning
45:37
Speaker 4: a championship in New England or the Sam Donald you know,
45:41
Speaker 4: in the wrong place a couple of times and then
45:43
Speaker 4: you put him in the right place and now he
45:45
Speaker 4: could potentially be a Super Bowl winning quarterback. Is there
45:49
Speaker 4: is there anything we should learn for college football from
45:51
Speaker 4: these things?
45:52
Speaker 5: It's me O see that the Donald one is the
45:54
Speaker 5: bigger piece because it's it's twofold. It's you know, there
45:58
Speaker 5: may not Indiana an incredible turnaround. What they're able to
46:02
Speaker 5: do and what Donald has been able to do with
46:04
Speaker 5: his career is an incredible turnaround too, and not just
46:06
Speaker 5: from where he was of the Jets, but even I
46:09
Speaker 5: mean the Vikings got rid of him after last season
46:12
Speaker 5: because they felt like, well, he wasn't the guy that
46:14
Speaker 5: would help us win the big game. You know, like, oh, yeah,
46:16
Speaker 5: he's good enough to be a bus driver, and if
46:18
Speaker 5: we've got really good team around him, he'd be good enough.
46:20
Speaker 5: But like, is he not to get you over the hump?
46:22
Speaker 5: I mean, we just watched him beat Matt Stafford in
46:25
Speaker 5: an NFC championship game because you know, yeah, we can
46:28
Speaker 5: credit to Seahawk defense, and certainly there's a ton of
46:30
Speaker 5: credit to go to them, but I mean, three hundred
46:31
Speaker 5: and sixty yards, three touchdowns didn't make mistakes. Stafford made
46:34
Speaker 5: those mistakes. So I mean he just outdoled Matt Stafford
46:38
Speaker 5: in an NFC championship game situation. So I think, like
46:41
Speaker 5: number one, what an incredible turnaround. And to think we
46:43
Speaker 5: go from an Indiana situation where their football program turns
46:46
Speaker 5: it around the way that they did to just what
46:48
Speaker 5: Donald did and the NFL side is incredible, And then yeah,
46:51
Speaker 5: I mean we knew this and if you played a
46:54
Speaker 5: high level you know this, like, yeah, the scheme fit
46:59
Speaker 5: player fit like that thing is one and the same.
47:01
Speaker 5: And if you're constantly watching the same franchise struggle with
47:05
Speaker 5: multiple quarterbacks, then you probably have a general manager, head coach,
47:08
Speaker 5: quarterback issue. And I think we've seen a lot of
47:11
Speaker 5: other situations in which it's like it's not the quarterbacks issue,
47:13
Speaker 5: it's more of the system around him. And you know,
47:16
Speaker 5: you've got to have a system that's multiple, that's able
47:18
Speaker 5: to be versatile, be shaped to the players that you have.
47:21
Speaker 5: I mean, I thought Peyton Sean Payton with bow knicks,
47:25
Speaker 5: like that offense was Taylor made for Bonnix. It's get
47:27
Speaker 5: him on bootlegs, get him on the run, get them
47:29
Speaker 5: on the move. Well that's not gonna work as well
47:30
Speaker 5: for Stidham. Like Sidham's got some athleticism, but it's a
47:32
Speaker 5: different kind of game. So it's like, you know, Denver,
47:36
Speaker 5: I think was put in a bad spot because like
47:39
Speaker 5: they just couldn't they couldn't change their offense to fit
47:43
Speaker 5: Stidham in the same way that they did for Bonicks
47:45
Speaker 5: on such short notice. But I do think that like
47:47
Speaker 5: that just gives you a good example of like if
47:49
Speaker 5: you've got the right coach that fits your system, to
47:51
Speaker 5: fit the skills to the player, you're going to be successful.
47:54
Speaker 5: And I think Donald it's been it's been that. I
47:56
Speaker 5: mean Donald that the Jets was terrible with with the
47:58
Speaker 5: Panthers was terrible. Then he gets on with Kyle Shanahan,
48:01
Speaker 5: he figures out I think Shanahan figures out a better
48:04
Speaker 5: way to use him. Obviously, Kevin O'Connell then took that
48:07
Speaker 5: to a large agree with the Vikings and they had
48:08
Speaker 5: fourteen wins. I mean, he's the first player that's Tom
48:11
Speaker 5: Brady to win fourteen games back to back seasons. Sam Darnold,
48:14
Speaker 5: it's remarkable. So and while I think last year again
48:18
Speaker 5: you could stay with the Vikings like he was sort
48:20
Speaker 5: of in a good situation. He was a bus driver
48:22
Speaker 5: for a good situation. I think it's obviously he won
48:24
Speaker 5: them this. He won them this spot in Seattle, like
48:28
Speaker 5: he was the reason they're going to the super Bowl
48:30
Speaker 5: and they needed him to play that well. He couldn't
48:32
Speaker 5: just be a bus driver for them to beat the Rams.
48:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, he played great, and it was an incredible duel. Actually,
48:40
Speaker 3: back and forth between Raafford, who is a bona fide
48:44
Speaker 3: people talk about him as an MVP candidate every day year,
48:48
Speaker 3: no reputational issues at all for somebody like Stafford and
48:53
Speaker 3: Sam Donoald was going punch for punch with him. It
48:55
Speaker 3: was a really, really incredible game to see. And yeah,
48:59
Speaker 3: as much as I can't stand the Seattle Seahawks, it
49:02
Speaker 3: is a great redemptive arc for Sam Darnold. We'll see
49:04
Speaker 3: how it plays out in a couple of weeks. As always,
49:07
Speaker 3: I appreciate your time joining me today. Ari, Thank you.
49:10
Speaker 5: You're the best of brother.
49:12
Speaker 2: Ari Tempkin, absolutely the man. You can ask him anything.
49:17
Speaker 2: All right.
49:18
Speaker 4: There was a pseudo sporting event on television over the weekend.
49:22
Speaker 4: It's specifically live on Netflix. That was one of the
49:26
Speaker 4: most insane things we will ever watch on television and
49:30
Speaker 4: maybe the most impressive athletic feet that you're not giving
49:33
Speaker 4: it enough credit.
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Speaker 2: It's a Sean O'Connell show.
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Speaker 3: You tell number one Sports Talk ESPN seven MS.
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Speaker 1: You were listening to the Sean O'Connell Show from the
49:59
Speaker 1: Murdoch Day studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety two
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Speaker 1: to one a half am.
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Speaker 2: All right.
50:13
Speaker 3: Most of you have probably seen the climbing documentary Free
50:17
Speaker 3: Solo by now, Alex Hanold climbs l capy ten completely unroped,
50:26
Speaker 3: no safety harness, no clips, no nothing, just raw dogging
50:32
Speaker 3: it all the way up the side of an incredibly
50:33
Speaker 3: dangerous route that has hurt people who are roped in
50:38
Speaker 3: in the past.
50:40
Speaker 2: And Netflix decided to do some evil.
50:43
Speaker 4: Canevil you know what, and put him live climbing Taipei
50:48
Speaker 4: one oh one, a skyscraper in Taiwan, completely again unsupported
51:01
Speaker 4: with any kind of safety harness, any rope, any string.
51:06
Speaker 4: It is a glass and steel structure.
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Speaker 2: And they were just.
51:11
Speaker 4: Showing the beginning of it again like right when he started,
51:15
Speaker 4: just hops up from the ground and starts climbing this
51:17
Speaker 4: insane tower all the way up. He went all the
51:19
Speaker 4: way up to the antenna tower like the top top,
51:22
Speaker 4: top right, and they streamed it live. And the the
51:28
Speaker 4: fascination that we have with these impossible feats is it
51:32
Speaker 4: must be like something in our primordial lizard brains. We
51:36
Speaker 4: can't look away the fact that Netflix took this risk,
51:41
Speaker 4: that alex Unold decided to do this for five hundred
51:44
Speaker 4: thousand dollars. By the way, once you get past I
51:49
Speaker 4: don't know, somebody who knows, tell me. Once you get
51:52
Speaker 4: past like forty feet up, you're gonna it's fatal if
51:57
Speaker 4: you fall right. And this guy is literally the best
52:02
Speaker 4: climber in the world, probably the best climber that has
52:04
Speaker 4: ever existed.
52:05
Speaker 2: He is a complete alien.
52:07
Speaker 3: He might be a bigger genetic freak than any professional
52:12
Speaker 3: athlete that you know, the fact that he is capable
52:14
Speaker 3: of doing things like this, and that he has the
52:20
Speaker 3: steel nerves and the incredible focus in order to do this.
52:25
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not like trying to hit a fastball
52:30
Speaker 3: right where you've got to have this incredible reaction time coordination,
52:34
Speaker 3: hand eye coordination, you got.
52:36
Speaker 2: This split second thing.
52:38
Speaker 3: He has to maintain an insane level of focus in
52:42
Speaker 3: the l cap situation for hours. I don't know what
52:45
Speaker 3: the full time was for him to climb this type
52:48
Speaker 3: a one on one, but I think because it they
52:51
Speaker 3: showed kind of highlights on the Pat mcavie show on
52:54
Speaker 3: ESPN just now, I think it showed it was like
52:56
Speaker 3: ninety minutes or something between between ninety minutes and two
52:59
Speaker 3: hours well of uninterrupted mental focus and physical exertion that
53:07
Speaker 3: most of us are incapable of doing for even sixty seconds,
53:12
Speaker 3: Like if you're an average human adult you cannot hang
53:17
Speaker 3: unsupported from anything just with your grip for a minute.
53:23
Speaker 2: You can't.
53:24
Speaker 3: I've seen Survivor they do that. They do that immunity
53:27
Speaker 3: challenge thing where they just have them hang yeah, or
53:30
Speaker 3: stand like split legged, or it gets wider every thirty
53:34
Speaker 3: seconds or whatever.
53:35
Speaker 2: I've seen that. Guys don't last that long.
53:38
Speaker 3: Even if you get to use your feet right, even
53:40
Speaker 3: if there's a ledge and you got to kind of
53:42
Speaker 3: stay on your toes and grip and flex your calf
53:45
Speaker 3: muscles and do that kind of thing. Human beings are
53:48
Speaker 3: not able to do this. So there's no like hot
53:52
Speaker 3: take here other than what an insane thing for Netflix,
53:57
Speaker 3: because we're watching that for the same reason the average
54:00
Speaker 3: fan watches Nascar. You're kind of hoping for the crash.
54:05
Speaker 3: That would have been horrific, and I'm very, very thankful
54:09
Speaker 3: it didn't happen, because it would have been a greater commentary,
54:12
Speaker 3: a greater narrative about how extreme we are in our
54:16
Speaker 3: country these days with our seeking entertainment. But the more
54:22
Speaker 3: wholesome aspect to this is that this guy Alex Hanold,
54:25
Speaker 3: if you have not paid any attention to his career
54:28
Speaker 3: or even did the free solo thing. He's one of
54:30
Speaker 3: the most unique human beings from a physical and mental
54:33
Speaker 3: standpoint that exists on planet Earth, and maybe that has
54:36
Speaker 3: ever existed in the sports world on planet Earth. I
54:41
Speaker 3: somewhat jokingly when I watched Free Solo, I was like, Oh,
54:45
Speaker 3: we are very very lucky that this person found climbing
54:50
Speaker 3: as a thing that speaks to his soul, because he
54:52
Speaker 3: is a sociopath. He is someone that doesn't understand human emotion,
54:58
Speaker 3: that doesn't feel things the same way that other people do,
55:01
Speaker 3: that does not have it's called low basal arousal level,
55:05
Speaker 3: which means like that guy, nothing extreme bothers him. He
55:10
Speaker 3: doesn't have an emotional response to things that would terrify
55:14
Speaker 3: like pretty much everybody else. And it is a characteristic
55:18
Speaker 3: of serial killers. It is a characteristic of sociopaths. They
55:22
Speaker 3: have this thing where like they are not shocked by
55:25
Speaker 3: things that shock everyone else. He is obviously that way,
55:28
Speaker 3: and we are just very lucky that he has channeled
55:31
Speaker 3: it into something that is supremely positive and awe inspiring
55:35
Speaker 3: and really impressive. And that's without even mentioning the physicality
55:42
Speaker 3: of the demands that he puts on his body, Like
55:45
Speaker 3: he can do the you know, you all know a
55:47
Speaker 3: rock climber who can do the pinky pull ups or whatever,
55:50
Speaker 3: and he can do them better more than anyone can.
55:53
Speaker 3: He's core strength is freakish, I mean, and he just
55:56
Speaker 3: like he climbs at the top of his building and
56:00
Speaker 3: he just kind of smiles.
56:01
Speaker 2: He's like, oh, that's cool. Thanks, selfie gives his.
56:04
Speaker 3: Wife a hug, who, by the way, was on the
56:07
Speaker 3: other side of one of those windows, like one hundred
56:09
Speaker 3: floors up. Can you imagine if something would have gone
56:13
Speaker 3: wrong being her witnessing that. I mean, yeah, I'm so glad,
56:18
Speaker 3: just like what you said, nothing went wrong because there's
56:21
Speaker 3: no editing that either. It's live stream on Netflix, but anyway,
56:26
Speaker 3: but yeah, just we don't We're very used to gauging
56:31
Speaker 3: how impressed we are when we see something in basketball,
56:34
Speaker 3: when we see something in football, even like gymnastics, where
56:40
Speaker 3: we don't watch it all that often. But then the
56:41
Speaker 3: Olympics come around and we're just like, whoa, that was
56:44
Speaker 3: the most impressive thing I've ever seen. That's pushing the
56:48
Speaker 3: level of human performance to like Simone Biles just added
56:52
Speaker 3: another full tuck to this routine, and even our casual
56:55
Speaker 3: eye can appreciate, like how incredible that is. I don't
57:00
Speaker 3: know if we have the proper viewership context on just
57:04
Speaker 3: how amazing of an athlete this Alex Hanold guy is.
57:08
Speaker 3: He's so and I have not I need to check
57:10
Speaker 3: out free Solo. I've not I've not seen it, but
57:13
Speaker 3: I may have seen clips of it. Is he's the
57:16
Speaker 3: guy that he's scaling the mountain and then he turns
57:20
Speaker 3: over the camera and gives a big smile like he's
57:22
Speaker 3: not scared of like he's hanging on for dear life
57:24
Speaker 3: the side of this mountain. And he's like, oh good, Yeah,
57:29
Speaker 3: that's that's him, right, that's him. And by the way,
57:31
Speaker 3: by the way, he the guy filming him right is
57:35
Speaker 3: also an elite level climber who is clipped in and
57:40
Speaker 3: is like, I don't know if we should be doing this,
57:44
Speaker 3: and he's just like, yeah, no, let's do it. And
57:46
Speaker 3: the guy this is a dude who's an elite climber
57:49
Speaker 3: who knows exactly how dangerous climb and he's just like, man,
57:53
Speaker 3: I have I have seen people fall and hurt themselves
57:56
Speaker 3: even when they're clipped in. I've seen people fall and
57:59
Speaker 3: not be saved after this and this Alex haunold guy.
58:03
Speaker 2: There's a scene in Free Soul.
58:04
Speaker 4: You really need to watch it where I think it's
58:06
Speaker 4: his now wife, but I think at that time I
58:08
Speaker 4: believe it's his fiance or girlfriend.
58:10
Speaker 2: And she's just like, well, do you want me to
58:11
Speaker 2: watch it? And he's just like, I don't care. He
58:13
Speaker 2: just does.
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Speaker 3: He truly doesn't care. He doesn't have the same emotional
58:18
Speaker 3: connection to these experiences that most human beings do. Like
58:22
Speaker 3: I would love to know if he even got scared
58:25
Speaker 3: while he was climbing type A one on one, or
58:29
Speaker 3: if that's what it takes to make him feel scared,
58:31
Speaker 3: like certain death, if there's any kind of negative consequence
58:36
Speaker 3: to that, if you slip and fall, there's no other outcome.
58:41
Speaker 3: It's that and maybe that's the only thing that motivates him.
58:44
Speaker 3: He's just like, I gotta do things that are that extreme.
58:47
Speaker 3: Everything else is easy for me. We don't have Like
58:51
Speaker 3: Drake May made some throws this weekend that only a
58:55
Speaker 3: handful of guys on the planet can make. All Right,
59:00
Speaker 3: a couple of Steph Curry shots this weekend that only
59:03
Speaker 3: Steph Curry and probably ten other dudes have any hope
59:06
Speaker 3: of making on Netflix.
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Speaker 2: A man climbed a building.
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Speaker 1: He is.
59:12
Speaker 3: There's one person capable of doing what this guy is doing.
59:16
Speaker 3: One Drake Maye. There's probably a few, Steph Curry. There's
59:21
Speaker 3: probably a few. Name it whatever athlete and whatever sport,
59:25
Speaker 3: there's probably a few, even a very very select few.
59:29
Speaker 3: This dude is Usain Bolt. He just climbs up buildings
59:32
Speaker 3: instead of runs fast. It's wild and you say it
59:37
Speaker 3: only has to focus for ten seconds because he's so fast.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I don't know.
59:42
Speaker 3: It's one of those things that it makes your like,
59:47
Speaker 3: you know, your your nervous response to when there's confrontation
59:50
Speaker 3: or when like something really dangerous might be happening.
59:54
Speaker 4: For me, my tongue goes numb in my mouth. Like
1:00:00
Speaker 4: that's how I knew that I was gonna be walking
1:00:02
Speaker 4: into a fight. That's like like my body. I would
1:00:07
Speaker 4: love to be able to tell you that as a
1:00:09
Speaker 4: a pro fighter, you're not scared of fighting.
1:00:11
Speaker 3: You love it. You love the fear, but you love
1:00:14
Speaker 3: overcoming the fear.
1:00:14
Speaker 4: But your body is telling you you're scared, dude, and
1:00:19
Speaker 4: you sweat obviously, But then you're my tongue.
1:00:21
Speaker 2: That's how I know. My tongue goes numb. It just
1:00:23
Speaker 2: feels kind of like weird.
1:00:24
Speaker 3: Other fighters that same thing from what you when you've
1:00:28
Speaker 3: talked to that.
1:00:28
Speaker 4: Not really, I've talked to a lot of people and
1:00:30
Speaker 4: like everyone has their own little thing. One of my
1:00:32
Speaker 4: friends his left leg would shake, only his left leg,
1:00:35
Speaker 4: just his left leg would shake.
1:00:37
Speaker 3: You know, there's everyone's body like certain things make you
1:00:42
Speaker 3: feel that way. Watching this dude climb free solo, watching
1:00:46
Speaker 3: him climb this type, it kind of flirts with that
1:00:50
Speaker 3: where if it like I'm not having that response for myself,
1:00:54
Speaker 3: I'm having that response for someone else. So I'm just like,
1:00:56
Speaker 3: oh please, no, Yes, I've noticed recently I get the
1:01:02
Speaker 3: dry mouth. I get like, all of a sudden, I
1:01:06
Speaker 3: have no all of a sudden, my mouth's really dry,
1:01:09
Speaker 3: and I need I need like a gallon of water.
1:01:11
Speaker 2: That's that's what. That's what note.
1:01:13
Speaker 3: That's what I've noticed recently with the nervous response thing.
1:01:17
Speaker 3: It's it's it's a strange thing. Well, your body does
1:01:19
Speaker 3: when it senses fear. Uh, Okay, this coming in on
1:01:25
Speaker 3: the text. I've been following Alex for a few years.
1:01:27
Speaker 3: The biggest difference between this and l CAP was he
1:01:30
Speaker 3: was having fun with this he keeps dead focused on
1:01:32
Speaker 3: a rock, but he has fun on a building.
1:01:35
Speaker 4: I watched knowing he was gonna finish it. Uh, I
1:01:38
Speaker 4: will trust your assessment there. I don't know how it's
1:01:42
Speaker 4: easier to climb a smooth coated building than it is
1:01:46
Speaker 4: to climb a rock. I know that, like the ledges
1:01:49
Speaker 4: are thicker and things like that, but it's steel and
1:01:52
Speaker 4: glass with rock. I you would think as long as
1:01:56
Speaker 4: there's sizable hand and footholds they're track, the friction would
1:02:01
Speaker 4: be better. I don't know all you rock climbers out there.
1:02:03
Speaker 4: My wife is a rock climber. All you rock climbers
1:02:06
Speaker 4: out there are a little bit nutty. It's a really
1:02:09
Speaker 4: cool thing.
1:02:10
Speaker 3: We have a bunch of great world class climbing routes here,
1:02:14
Speaker 3: even in the Salt Lake Valley, but certainly around the state.
1:02:17
Speaker 4: Every one of you who are participates in that. You
1:02:19
Speaker 4: have my admiration, you have my respect. I'm also a
1:02:22
Speaker 4: little bit scared of you because that's what you choose
1:02:27
Speaker 4: to be your fun hobby. Something that is like I
1:02:31
Speaker 4: would have this discussion with people all the time in
1:02:33
Speaker 4: the bank. Oh you're a fighter, You're so crazy. I'd
1:02:35
Speaker 4: be like, you know, how not crazy it is to
1:02:38
Speaker 4: choose another human being as your opponent. The stakes are
1:02:41
Speaker 4: only so high when it's another human being. All these
1:02:43
Speaker 4: modal cross people like bull riders. We had Kate Madson
1:02:47
Speaker 4: on last week.
1:02:48
Speaker 3: It's you versus gravity, it's you versus the earth, okay,
1:02:53
Speaker 3: versus a in bull riding, you said, fifteen animal basically
1:03:00
Speaker 3: a wild animal, even though domestic technically a livestock, more domesticated,
1:03:06
Speaker 3: but in that moment, wild animal, yes, like who could
1:03:11
Speaker 3: really hurt you?
1:03:12
Speaker 4: Like mma, even boxing, Like combat sports are actually, in
1:03:16
Speaker 4: my opinion, kind of middle of the road in terms
1:03:20
Speaker 4: of extremity, like freestyle skiing, base jumping, rock climbing certainly
1:03:29
Speaker 4: free climbing, diving, skydiving, motocross like big time motocross, rodeo,
1:03:37
Speaker 4: all these things are far far more extreme. And then
1:03:40
Speaker 4: it's like combat sports kind of in the middle. And
1:03:43
Speaker 4: then like football, hockey, all these one collision sports. But
1:03:48
Speaker 4: it's like, you're not even halfway to crazy if you're
1:03:51
Speaker 4: playing hockey or football or doing a combat sport. If
1:03:55
Speaker 4: you're a hockey player who doesn't turns it into a
1:03:57
Speaker 4: combat sport sometimes like Jack McBain does, then you're right
1:04:02
Speaker 4: in the middle. You're but none of us are as
1:04:04
Speaker 4: crazy as this guy. All right, way overtime here, we
1:04:06
Speaker 4: got to take a break. We'll start our number two
1:04:09
Speaker 4: a little bit late, but we'll start it with a
1:04:11
Speaker 4: big news coming out of Colorado. Deon Sanders innovating again.
1:04:16
Speaker 4: Is it going to stick with this buffalo's program? I'll
1:04:18
Speaker 4: tell you what I'm talking about next on the Sean
1:04:20
Speaker 4: O'Connell show.
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Speaker 2: Because it's all the same.
1:05:02
Speaker 3: Love him or hate him, Deon Sanders marches to the
1:05:05
Speaker 3: beat of his own drum. He is unafraid to do
1:05:08
Speaker 3: things differently. We saw that when he first took the
1:05:10
Speaker 3: Colorado job. Well we really started paying attention to it.
1:05:15
Speaker 3: When he took the Colorado job, he was already doing
1:05:18
Speaker 3: things a little bit differently at Jackson State. The fact
1:05:21
Speaker 3: that he decided to go to Jackson State, and he
1:05:24
Speaker 3: convinced players like Travis Hunter and his own son sons
1:05:27
Speaker 3: to be at Jackson State along with another you know,
1:05:30
Speaker 3: another crop are really really good, well above that level
1:05:35
Speaker 3: type players.
1:05:36
Speaker 2: I mean Deon's he's special, He's unique.
1:05:38
Speaker 3: Now, I think that this season part of the reason
1:05:41
Speaker 3: this past season was so awful is because his health
1:05:45
Speaker 3: was failing him. Hopefully I can say was failing him.
1:05:49
Speaker 3: Hopefully it no longer is failing him. But any of
1:05:52
Speaker 3: you who've been around people dealing with chronic illness or
1:05:55
Speaker 3: serious illness, just know how much it takes out of
1:05:57
Speaker 3: a human And I think there's no way that you
1:06:00
Speaker 3: could possibly be a successful head football coach and dealing
1:06:05
Speaker 3: with your own health on a daily basis. Now, I
1:06:08
Speaker 3: think that even a healthy Deon Sanders probably gets that
1:06:11
Speaker 3: particular Colorado roster to like seven wins, eight wins at
1:06:16
Speaker 3: the best, They're not going to be in the college
1:06:20
Speaker 3: or in the conference championship conversation again. This year, they
1:06:23
Speaker 3: just lost Jordan Seaton, their best remaining individual player, offensive tackle,
1:06:27
Speaker 3: who was at one point the number one player at
1:06:30
Speaker 3: his position, number one recruit at his position. He's going
1:06:33
Speaker 3: to LSU to play for Lane Kiffin. He's fully mercenary.
1:06:36
Speaker 3: He's just getting the big bag. Totally fine. He's going
1:06:39
Speaker 3: to be a first round NFL draft pick. Whatever. Well,
1:06:42
Speaker 3: Dion undeterred in a lot of ways because that's part
1:06:45
Speaker 3: of his personality, right is like he's fine no matter what.
1:06:49
Speaker 3: So he gets to behave the way that I'm fine
1:06:52
Speaker 3: no matter what. Deon doesn't need college football. He actually
1:06:55
Speaker 3: he doesn't need to be the Colorado head coach. He's
1:06:59
Speaker 3: got ad revenue, He's got television revenue. Whenever he wants it.
1:07:04
Speaker 3: He can be on a studio show again whenever he
1:07:06
Speaker 3: feels like it. He's got a great contract from the
1:07:09
Speaker 3: University of Colorado. He knows that they need him way
1:07:13
Speaker 3: way more than he needs them, way more. And so
1:07:17
Speaker 3: he's doing things continually the way he wants to. Now,
1:07:20
Speaker 3: whether you like it or not, it's something that you
1:07:24
Speaker 3: can at least look at and say, all right, this
1:07:26
Speaker 3: is interesting, or maybe you have admiration for it. He
1:07:31
Speaker 3: is going to try to run Colorado football like a
1:07:34
Speaker 3: professional franchise. Now, there will be lawyers, but Dion to
1:07:40
Speaker 3: me is unafraid right now of setting a precedent for
1:07:49
Speaker 3: what college football eventually is going to be. Deon Sanders
1:07:56
Speaker 3: plans to issue fines two players for misconduct financial fine. Okay,
1:08:01
Speaker 3: I'm sure there are guys further down the roster that
1:08:04
Speaker 3: are not getting paid big time revenue share contracts or
1:08:08
Speaker 3: big time nil contracts that you might have to adjust
1:08:12
Speaker 3: some of these numbers for, or you just figure that
1:08:15
Speaker 3: those guys are around because they love football and not
1:08:18
Speaker 3: because they're being paid, and they don't have to be
1:08:20
Speaker 3: treated like professionals and fine like professionals. I will let
1:08:24
Speaker 3: Dion figure out how universal these fines are going to be.
1:08:28
Speaker 3: But for the players whose names you know, this is
1:08:31
Speaker 3: what it's gonna be. If you're late to practice, five
1:08:34
Speaker 3: hundred dollars fine. If you're a no show at practice
1:08:38
Speaker 3: twenty five hundred dollars fine. If you're late to a
1:08:41
Speaker 3: meeting or to film four hundred dollars fine. If you
1:08:45
Speaker 3: know show a meeting or a film session, two thousand
1:08:48
Speaker 3: dollars fine. If you're late to the conditioning, that's a
1:08:51
Speaker 3: thousand dollars fine, if you know show fifteen hundred. If
1:08:55
Speaker 3: you're late to treatment, one thousand dollars fine, if you
1:08:59
Speaker 3: know show on your treatment fifteen hundred dollars fine, any
1:09:02
Speaker 3: violation of team rules one thousand to twenty five hundred
1:09:05
Speaker 3: public or social misconduct two to five thousand dollars fines.
1:09:10
Speaker 3: He is trying to make it a mini franchise. As
1:09:15
Speaker 3: I already said, there are going to be parents, they
1:09:19
Speaker 3: are going to be lawyers, they are going to be
1:09:21
Speaker 3: agents that say no, we're not doing that, We're not
1:09:24
Speaker 3: paying that fine, we're not complying with that.
1:09:28
Speaker 4: But Dion is not shy about saying, all right, you
1:09:32
Speaker 4: want to be treated like grown folks, you want to
1:09:34
Speaker 4: be treated like professionals. Let me tell you a little
1:09:37
Speaker 4: bit something about how we were treated as professionals when
1:09:40
Speaker 4: I was playing pro baseball, when I was playing pro football,
1:09:44
Speaker 4: And I would venture a guess that young prime Dion
1:09:48
Speaker 4: Sanders probably paid a fine or two in his day
1:09:52
Speaker 4: because of how much he was feeling himself and how
1:09:55
Speaker 4: he most likely at times felt maybe he was above
1:09:58
Speaker 4: some of the rules in the law.
1:09:59
Speaker 3: So he speaks to it from an even more informed perspective.
1:10:06
Speaker 3: Financial penalties for people now who are paid to show
1:10:12
Speaker 3: up to practice, they are paid to show up at
1:10:14
Speaker 3: performing games. They are paid, and a lot of them
1:10:17
Speaker 3: very very handsomely to do what they are supposed to do.
1:10:22
Speaker 3: If you color outside the lines, if you don't do
1:10:24
Speaker 3: what you're supposed to do, Dion Sanders is going to
1:10:27
Speaker 3: find you. He's going to hit you in your wallet.
1:10:29
Speaker 3: He's going to try to get you where he thinks
1:10:32
Speaker 3: it will actually matter. It is a departure from what
1:10:37
Speaker 3: we're used to in college football yet again, and it's
1:10:40
Speaker 3: something that will have its legal challenges, but I actually
1:10:43
Speaker 3: love it and I love that it's Dion. The same
1:10:46
Speaker 3: way when we were talking with Ari Tempkin about how
1:10:49
Speaker 3: Dabo Swinney can do and say things that other coaches
1:10:52
Speaker 3: probably can't do or say, Dion is also in that category.
1:10:56
Speaker 3: If you're some crusty old coach that was never a
1:10:59
Speaker 3: professional athlete himself, and you walk up to your star
1:11:03
Speaker 3: wide receiver, your star running back, your star quarterback, and
1:11:07
Speaker 3: you say you were late to practice, where's my five
1:11:11
Speaker 3: hundred dollars? He's gonna look in your face and be like, coach,
1:11:14
Speaker 3: what come on, No, that's the policy, where's my five
1:11:18
Speaker 3: hundred bucks? Or he would say nothing at all, and
1:11:23
Speaker 3: he would try to pawn that off, that responsibility off
1:11:27
Speaker 3: on an underling.
1:11:28
Speaker 2: He would try to make the GM do it.
1:11:30
Speaker 3: He would try to make somebody further down the power
1:11:33
Speaker 3: ladder in the college football program try and get that
1:11:37
Speaker 3: money from you, even if he had established this situation himself.
1:11:41
Speaker 3: Deon Sanders is the dude that will walk up to
1:11:44
Speaker 3: a guy and say, where's my five hundred coach, I
1:11:48
Speaker 3: don't have it? You wrong? We pay you four million
1:11:52
Speaker 3: dollars this year. What do you mean you don't have it?
1:11:54
Speaker 3: Where's my five hundred dollars? You're late to practice. You're
1:11:59
Speaker 3: a professional here. I'm preparing you to be an NFL
1:12:02
Speaker 3: football player. And he has cachet with kids that other
1:12:09
Speaker 3: people don't have, and guys are there to play for
1:12:13
Speaker 3: him because of that, because of.
1:12:17
Speaker 2: The fact that he is unique.
1:12:20
Speaker 4: Isaac Wilson transferred to the University of Colorado from the
1:12:25
Speaker 4: University of Utah. Is Isaac Wilson going to say, oh
1:12:32
Speaker 4: my gosh, mom, dad, agent, look at this new list
1:12:36
Speaker 4: of things that I have to worry about. Or is
1:12:39
Speaker 4: he going to say, huh doesn't apply to me.
1:12:43
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna be late, I'm not gonna know show,
1:12:46
Speaker 3: and I'm not gonna commit any misconduct. Because that's one
1:12:50
Speaker 3: thing that today's culture and today's parenting styles or whatever. Like,
1:12:56
Speaker 3: if you do what you're supposed to do, none of
1:12:59
Speaker 3: this touches you. In fact, I don't know what his
1:13:03
Speaker 3: plans are with this fine money. I imagine it just
1:13:05
Speaker 3: goes back into a like the NFL. When you get
1:13:08
Speaker 3: fined by the NFL, it goes into a charity fund. Right,
1:13:13
Speaker 3: maybe Colorado does the same thing. You know, it's an
1:13:15
Speaker 3: even better idea. If star player no shows a practice
1:13:21
Speaker 3: and his twenty five hundred dollars.
1:13:24
Speaker 4: That fine actually gets paid. Give that to the guys
1:13:28
Speaker 4: who don't mess up. Give that to the guys that
1:13:32
Speaker 4: are on the team who don't have nil deals, who
1:13:34
Speaker 4: don't have revenue sharing deals. Put it in a pool
1:13:38
Speaker 4: for the teammates who are not the ones missing practice,
1:13:43
Speaker 4: missing like and then it incentivizes even further because if
1:13:51
Speaker 4: you do the right way, if you do things the
1:13:52
Speaker 4: right way, you benefit from this new system, and if
1:13:56
Speaker 4: you do things the wrong way, you have to pay
1:13:58
Speaker 4: into it. I don't think it's going to be enforceable,
1:14:02
Speaker 4: if I'm being honest. I love the idea behind it.
1:14:05
Speaker 3: I love that Dion Sanders is that dude is the
1:14:08
Speaker 3: coach that's willing to say no, you are not going
1:14:12
Speaker 3: to screw up repeatedly without it costing you something meaningful.
1:14:16
Speaker 3: If you're at my program, we've had these financial discussions.
1:14:20
Speaker 3: We have made this about money. I have made it
1:14:22
Speaker 3: about money. So on the top end, that's a good
1:14:26
Speaker 3: thing for you. On the bottom end, I'm gonna make
1:14:27
Speaker 3: it a bad thing for you. And by the way,
1:14:31
Speaker 3: when you talk about how much money a lot of
1:14:32
Speaker 3: these young guys are getting, now, these are tiny little
1:14:36
Speaker 3: slaps on the wrist financially. If you have a million
1:14:39
Speaker 3: dollar contract and you're late to practice and you have
1:14:42
Speaker 3: to give up five hundred dollars, it doesn't hurt you.
1:14:48
Speaker 2: But money's the thing you care about.
1:14:50
Speaker 4: And again, I think parents matter a lot in this
1:14:53
Speaker 4: because there's a ton of parents that the kids that
1:14:58
Speaker 4: are in college football right now, in college basketball right now,
1:15:02
Speaker 4: they are the gravy train for the parents. They are
1:15:05
Speaker 4: people supporting their parents.
1:15:13
Speaker 3: Is mom, grandma, dad, uncle, whoever benefits?
1:15:17
Speaker 2: Is are they going to be?
1:15:18
Speaker 6: Like?
1:15:18
Speaker 3: You better get to practice, because if I'm giving five
1:15:21
Speaker 3: hundred dollars back to the program, that's five hundred less
1:15:24
Speaker 3: for me to share with the people around me. If
1:15:26
Speaker 3: I'm missing practice and twenty five hundred dollars goes away,
1:15:29
Speaker 3: and my mom is used to be sending her twenty
1:15:31
Speaker 3: five hundred dollars.
1:15:33
Speaker 2: My mom might be like, honey, you.
1:15:37
Speaker 3: Better get your butt to practice because I need that.
1:15:42
Speaker 3: And Dion knows these things. He knows the stories all
1:15:46
Speaker 3: the way up and down his roster. That's one thing
1:15:48
Speaker 3: you cannot criticize the man for. He is dialed in
1:15:52
Speaker 3: with the players, especially the ones that actually play and
1:15:54
Speaker 3: are factors on the team. He knows the background, He
1:15:57
Speaker 3: knows what their parents need, he knows what their sister needs.
1:16:01
Speaker 3: He knows all these things, and he can use this
1:16:04
Speaker 3: as a way to motivate. It kind of sucks that
1:16:07
Speaker 3: it has to be this way. And if you if
1:16:10
Speaker 3: you have a great culture in your in your program,
1:16:13
Speaker 3: you probably don't need this. But I applaud him for
1:16:17
Speaker 3: acknowledging that I've made my my college football program into
1:16:25
Speaker 3: a mini pro franchise, so I'm going to run it
1:16:27
Speaker 3: this way. We when I think, no matter no matter
1:16:32
Speaker 3: what you what you do besides that to establish a culture,
1:16:37
Speaker 3: I think that this is part of what reinforces that culture, right,
1:16:41
Speaker 3: And I think like I think that Kyle Whittingham. Oh, shoot,
1:16:45
Speaker 3: he and who you shall not be named for twenty years.
1:16:49
Speaker 3: I could see him if he were if he felt
1:16:51
Speaker 3: like he was allowed to, if he felt like if
1:16:54
Speaker 3: he felt like it was a realistic thing to do,
1:16:57
Speaker 3: I could have seen him instituting something like this, Like
1:17:02
Speaker 3: there's certain guys, certain coaches that would want to that
1:17:08
Speaker 3: would want to put their money where their mouth is
1:17:11
Speaker 3: with the kind of accountability they want in their program.
1:17:14
Speaker 3: And I think I think that finding I think finds
1:17:19
Speaker 3: what appeal to those kind of guys. So I think that, yeah,
1:17:24
Speaker 3: this is this is an incredible thing that that Dion
1:17:27
Speaker 3: is trying to institute here. I hope that it it
1:17:32
Speaker 3: survives the legal scrutiny. It's certainly going to it's certainly
1:17:36
Speaker 3: going to get because this is something that is very
1:17:39
Speaker 3: needed in today's college football world. There needs to be
1:17:41
Speaker 3: some kind of check to As much as as you
1:17:46
Speaker 3: and I and many other people are for these players
1:17:51
Speaker 3: finally getting a piece of the pie financially and through
1:17:55
Speaker 3: in kind of an indirect way with an il mostly,
1:17:58
Speaker 3: but however it's happening. It's a good thing for these players,
1:18:03
Speaker 3: but also the power dynamics seem to be a lot
1:18:05
Speaker 3: more even than when they've gotten So this is one
1:18:08
Speaker 3: of those things that a mechanism that Dion is trying
1:18:11
Speaker 3: to institute to help even that out a little bit
1:18:15
Speaker 3: in the in the school, in the coach's favor.
1:18:17
Speaker 4: I wonder because he's he's experienced this like high of
1:18:20
Speaker 4: highs when it comes to recruiting, and also a couple
1:18:23
Speaker 4: other situations where you're just like, Dion, what's what's what
1:18:26
Speaker 4: this class you got coming in?
1:18:28
Speaker 3: Like he's basically said, I don't recruit high school kids,
1:18:31
Speaker 3: I don't go to their homes whatever. So I'm curious
1:18:35
Speaker 3: to see what this does because, like I'll use Jordan
1:18:38
Speaker 3: Seaton as the example, Right, that's a guy who's making
1:18:41
Speaker 3: like two million bucks to play offensive tackle at the
1:18:43
Speaker 3: University of Colorado and now he's in the transfer poorly
1:18:46
Speaker 3: decides to go to LSU.
1:18:49
Speaker 2: Is Lane Kiffen gonna find him? Probably not.
1:18:52
Speaker 4: In fact, I bet Lane Kiffen doesn't make him do
1:18:54
Speaker 4: anything he doesn't want to do. He just feels like
1:18:57
Speaker 4: that permissive type of parent. And maybe if you're a
1:19:01
Speaker 4: Jordan Seaton, you're just like, well, I was gonna go anyway,
1:19:04
Speaker 4: but coach, you're not finding me. I didn't sign anything
1:19:08
Speaker 4: that said that we're not gonna do that. I think
1:19:12
Speaker 4: if you're Dion, you might be okay with that. Just
1:19:14
Speaker 4: be like, fine, you don't want to be treated like
1:19:17
Speaker 4: a big boy, Fine, go play somewhere else. I will
1:19:21
Speaker 4: be all right, we will be all right here at
1:19:23
Speaker 4: the University of Colorado. I'm Deon Sanders. I don't need this.
1:19:27
Speaker 4: I don't need you. I think that he's got that
1:19:30
Speaker 4: going for him.
1:19:31
Speaker 3: And I'm sure there's gonna be a lot of recruits
1:19:34
Speaker 3: that are just like, well, you're offering me a million,
1:19:37
Speaker 3: and Utah's offered me a million, and Utah doesn't find
1:19:41
Speaker 3: me for missing practice. I think Dion is the type
1:19:44
Speaker 3: of dude that'll just be like, okay, go to Utah then,
1:19:48
Speaker 3: because familiar.
1:19:49
Speaker 2: It sounds familiar by the way Utah fans.
1:19:51
Speaker 3: That's the way that that's the way that it's the
1:19:54
Speaker 3: way that Morgan, previous head coach, just done things in
1:19:56
Speaker 3: this short tenure in the Anilier, and that's the way
1:19:59
Speaker 3: that Morgan want to continue to do things, just.
1:20:01
Speaker 2: Like, hey, all right, go. We heard Eric.
1:20:04
Speaker 3: Weddle say that if and when he ever joins the program,
1:20:08
Speaker 3: that's what he wants to do. That's the mindset he
1:20:10
Speaker 3: wants to have. Okay, fine, good luck somewhere else where.
1:20:14
Speaker 3: We'll we'll stick with the guys who want to be here.
1:20:18
Speaker 4: I'm glad you just mentioned Derek Weddle coming up in
1:20:21
Speaker 4: the Daily Dump.
1:20:23
Speaker 3: One of the all time great football players from the
1:20:26
Speaker 3: state of Utah has a son who's also a great
1:20:30
Speaker 3: football player, and that son made a commitment.
1:20:34
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Speaker 3: All right, I gotta apologize on The Sean O'Connell Show.
1:21:10
Speaker 3: Here I purposely misled you. James mentioned Eric Weddle. I
1:21:16
Speaker 3: used the teas one of the all time great football
1:21:19
Speaker 3: players from the state of Utah. Their son has made
1:21:22
Speaker 3: a decision about where they're going to college. Some of
1:21:25
Speaker 3: you might be like, wait, Gage Weddell, he's made a decision.
1:21:28
Speaker 2: No, he has not.
1:21:32
Speaker 4: The player I was alluding to I was referring to
1:21:35
Speaker 4: with that poorly crafted or perhaps masterfully crafted teas depending
1:21:39
Speaker 4: on your lens is uh Sam Nata, the son of
1:21:44
Speaker 4: Haloti Nata, who is an Olympus linebacker right now, held
1:21:50
Speaker 4: offers from Utah BYU, I shouldn't say held holds offers
1:21:55
Speaker 4: from Utah BYU, Michigan, Nebraska, and most pointedly, most importantly,
1:22:02
Speaker 4: the University of Oregon. He has committed as of this
1:22:08
Speaker 4: past weekend, to follow in his father's footsteps and be
1:22:11
Speaker 4: an Oregon duck. Dan Lanning is very serious about making
1:22:17
Speaker 4: sure that he stays connected with the legacies. He's done
1:22:20
Speaker 4: a really good job of establishing connections with guys that
1:22:24
Speaker 4: obviously played at Oregon long before he was. I mean,
1:22:28
Speaker 4: Alothi's older than Dan Lanning, so Dan could not have
1:22:33
Speaker 4: been a coach at Oregon. Dan was in high school
1:22:36
Speaker 4: when Helothi was playing at Oregon. But Sam Nata is
1:22:41
Speaker 4: going to go play his college football at the University
1:22:44
Speaker 4: of Oregon, at least that's how it looks for now.
1:22:47
Speaker 4: He is a class of twenty twenty seven graduates, so
1:22:51
Speaker 4: a lot of time. But he's shutting down the recruitment
1:22:55
Speaker 4: at least as much as he can with the positive
1:22:58
Speaker 4: commitment to the University of Oregon. I say this in
1:23:02
Speaker 4: the most respectful manner possible. He is right now only
1:23:05
Speaker 4: rated as a three star. Being a three star recruit
1:23:08
Speaker 4: is still pretty darn impressive. I say only rated as
1:23:11
Speaker 4: a three star because all of these people that were
1:23:15
Speaker 4: in on him Oregon BYU cal Michigan, Nebraska, Purdue, Utah,
1:23:19
Speaker 4: Boise State, Oregon State. These are people that acknowledge the potential,
1:23:25
Speaker 4: the upside. He's a rising junior, right, So this is
1:23:29
Speaker 4: this is a dude who everyone looks at his dad
1:23:35
Speaker 4: and sees it this kid, at what are you? Sixteen
1:23:38
Speaker 4: years old?
1:23:38
Speaker 3: At this point, at sixteen years old, is six three
1:23:42
Speaker 3: and two hundred and fifteen pounds and is like, yeah,
1:23:45
Speaker 3: let's get him an offer early. He is going to
1:23:47
Speaker 3: be also having an offer and a commitment to Oregon
1:23:52
Speaker 3: the way that these recruiting services work. By the time
1:23:55
Speaker 3: it's all said and done, if he stays healthy and
1:23:57
Speaker 3: he plays as well as we know, he's probably capable
1:23:59
Speaker 3: of playing he's going to be a four star, maybe
1:24:01
Speaker 3: even a five star by the time he's out of
1:24:03
Speaker 3: high school, because if you're a three star as a
1:24:05
Speaker 3: stinking sophomore, I guess you would. No, he's a junior, right,
1:24:12
Speaker 3: he just finishes finish his junior year. Or is he
1:24:15
Speaker 3: going into it?
1:24:16
Speaker 5: Yeah?
1:24:16
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, he's he's a class of twenty seven. So
1:24:19
Speaker 4: if he was a class of twenty six, you'll be
1:24:21
Speaker 4: a senior right now, right, So he's a junior.
1:24:23
Speaker 2: He's a junior, going to be a senior next Yeah.
1:24:25
Speaker 3: So if you're sixteen, seventeen years old and you're already
1:24:28
Speaker 3: you know, on this path, this offer helps you, and
1:24:32
Speaker 3: now everyone paying close attention because you're an Oregon commit
1:24:37
Speaker 3: also helps you.
1:24:38
Speaker 4: So congratulations to Sam and to the whole family. That's uh,
1:24:43
Speaker 4: that's a really cool deal. Did they Hello?
1:24:45
Speaker 3: Ti and I graduated the same year high school, and
1:24:47
Speaker 3: he's got a kid headed off to college.
1:24:48
Speaker 2: My oldest is six.
1:24:50
Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh, he got started a little earlier than you
1:24:53
Speaker 3: did with the family. So where where are they located
1:24:58
Speaker 3: in the state?
1:24:58
Speaker 2: Are they? U? Tuck? He goes to Olympus.
1:25:01
Speaker 3: They live in whatever that Mill Creek Mill Creek area Okay,
1:25:06
Speaker 3: that's awesome. And of course we'd rather we'd rather have
1:25:10
Speaker 3: the guy stick go to one of the in state schools,
1:25:13
Speaker 3: particularly here in the Home of the Utes, go to
1:25:14
Speaker 3: go to Utah.
1:25:16
Speaker 2: But you gotta you.
1:25:18
Speaker 3: Gotta acknowledge Oregon's Organ's the legacy school there. Dan Lanning
1:25:22
Speaker 3: is that kind of recruiter even if he wasn't a
1:25:26
Speaker 3: legacy kid. That's a hard that's that's hard to turn
1:25:28
Speaker 3: down Dan Lanning and Oregon so good.
1:25:32
Speaker 2: Good for him.
1:25:33
Speaker 3: And also, like you say, only a three star, it's
1:25:36
Speaker 3: also you say, it's okay to say it that way
1:25:39
Speaker 3: because Oregon doesn't really recruit three stars. This is so
1:25:44
Speaker 3: this is cool that Dan Lanning is, like, is able
1:25:46
Speaker 3: to acknowledge among all those other big name schools that
1:25:50
Speaker 3: you mentioned, was able to acknowledge. Hey, this kid comes
1:25:54
Speaker 3: from great stock. This is Helodi Nada's kid. He's a
1:25:58
Speaker 3: legacy I don't care how many stars he has. We
1:26:02
Speaker 3: see his potential. We want him. We want him at
1:26:04
Speaker 3: a at a big time program like Oregon.
1:26:07
Speaker 4: If you want him, if you want Sam and Uh
1:26:11
Speaker 4: I think they have three boys if I'm not mistaken.
1:26:14
Speaker 4: If you want yeah, if you want Hallo Tis kids.
1:26:19
Speaker 4: It might be one of those situations where you're just like,
1:26:25
Speaker 4: I loved it. Do you want to be an assistant
1:26:28
Speaker 4: D line coach here?
1:26:30
Speaker 2: Morgan? Come on? Now?
1:26:31
Speaker 3: Would that be Would that be something you'd be interested in?
1:26:34
Speaker 3: It's not like he doesn't have the expertise. Do you
1:26:37
Speaker 3: want to work with Luther Ellis? He's a borderline Hall
1:26:39
Speaker 3: of NFL Hall of Famer, Right, you could, You could
1:26:43
Speaker 3: if you wanted to be like, hey.
1:26:46
Speaker 2: You interested.
1:26:49
Speaker 3: I'm not advocating that you should do that for every
1:26:51
Speaker 3: recruit or every kid, but it's one of those ways.
1:26:53
Speaker 3: Because Hallo t is an Oregon duck man, he's like
1:26:57
Speaker 3: a like, he's a through and through.
1:26:58
Speaker 2: He had a lot of success there.
1:27:01
Speaker 3: You're not gonna get If his kids have offers to Oregon,
1:27:03
Speaker 3: they're probably going to Oregon.
1:27:05
Speaker 2: But if you really wanted.
1:27:08
Speaker 4: Him to stay in state, you might want to utilize
1:27:12
Speaker 4: that method to maybe like, hey, Eric Carrer, all right, be.
1:27:17
Speaker 2: Like, hey, you want to be by d lie coach?
1:27:20
Speaker 2: I don't think.
1:27:21
Speaker 3: That was l Yeah, that might not not even that
1:27:24
Speaker 3: would probably bring bring the no kids to play FCS ball,
1:27:27
Speaker 3: all right? You you mentioned this in your in your
1:27:31
Speaker 3: sports update developments of the Bill's coaching shirts. Philip Rivers
1:27:35
Speaker 3: has withdrawn his name from the Bill's coaching search.
1:27:38
Speaker 4: You know what I think you know what I think
1:27:40
Speaker 4: Philip Rivers was doing. I think he was throwing his
1:27:44
Speaker 4: name in the hat. He knew full well, I'm not
1:27:48
Speaker 4: getting this job. I'm not getting any job like this
1:27:51
Speaker 4: right now. I am just putting myself on the NFL radar.
1:27:55
Speaker 4: Philip Rivers is a really, really smart guy.
1:27:58
Speaker 3: I think that was the full intent of him, his agent,
1:28:00
Speaker 3: his wife, everyone that was just like, you know what,
1:28:03
Speaker 3: all ten of his kids.
1:28:05
Speaker 2: Now is not the time for us.
1:28:07
Speaker 3: I don't want this job right now, but I'm gonna
1:28:09
Speaker 3: plant these seeds.
1:28:11
Speaker 2: I'm gonna plant these seats in.
1:28:13
Speaker 3: Three or four years. In two or three years. People
1:28:17
Speaker 3: have already heard my name. It's inception. That's what he
1:28:21
Speaker 3: was doing. H it's cold inception. Yeah, absolutely, Dad, gummt.
1:28:26
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put myself in the running for this.
1:28:28
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:28:28
Speaker 3: And maybe is it possible, Yeah, it is. He just
1:28:32
Speaker 3: did it to all of us. Yeah, Philip Rivers, head
1:28:34
Speaker 3: coach NFL. I did not have that thought ever. I
1:28:38
Speaker 3: can promise you this. Never before until I saw this
1:28:41
Speaker 3: headline about him interviewing for the Bill's job. Philip Rivers
1:28:45
Speaker 3: just pulled a full Leonardo DiCaprio on all of us.
1:28:49
Speaker 3: Inception absolutely by the way, rewatched it after you told
1:28:53
Speaker 3: me the thing about the totem huh total. I had
1:28:57
Speaker 3: not noticed that before. No wedding ring. Wedding ring is
1:29:01
Speaker 3: the tote that. Anyway, I remembered what my uh, what
1:29:05
Speaker 3: my like. I feel like I was the only one
1:29:07
Speaker 3: to had this theory that Cobb was that they were
1:29:10
Speaker 3: trying to incept Sido was trying to perform inception on Cobb. Oh,
1:29:18
Speaker 3: great movie. That was my theory. But I saw no
1:29:21
Speaker 3: one else with that theory. So like, it's probably not right,
1:29:24
Speaker 3: but anyway, not the only update on the Bills head coaching.
1:29:29
Speaker 2: There was so much.
1:29:30
Speaker 4: Grant Yudinsky, the Jags offensive coordinator, has withdrawn his name
1:29:35
Speaker 4: from the Browns head coaching search. This one's actually fun,
1:29:38
Speaker 4: and he's going to interview for the Bills and he
1:29:41
Speaker 4: got an he got a new contract with the Jags.
1:29:43
Speaker 4: So here's what so let me just because I think
1:29:46
Speaker 4: it's hilarious from Brown's perspective. So he's in there, he's
1:29:50
Speaker 4: interviewing for the Browns, job.
1:29:54
Speaker 2: He goes. He goes back to Jacksonville.
1:29:56
Speaker 3: And says, if you give me any kind of rays,
1:30:02
Speaker 3: I'll stay in Jacksonville. That's how much I don't want
1:30:04
Speaker 3: to be in Cleveland. They give him a bit, they
1:30:08
Speaker 3: give him a raise, and then he said, but then
1:30:11
Speaker 3: the Bills call him in this time it sounds like
1:30:14
Speaker 3: and they're like, hey, we'd like to interview you, and
1:30:16
Speaker 3: he says, okay, I can still get this deal right.
1:30:19
Speaker 3: They're like, yeah, as long as you're not hired as
1:30:21
Speaker 3: the Bill's head coach, you this deal is yours if
1:30:24
Speaker 3: you come back to Jacksonville. So he says, Cleveland, you stink.
1:30:31
Speaker 3: I would rather stay in Jacksonville and be the OC.
1:30:35
Speaker 3: But hey, the Bills have called me too, and I'm
1:30:37
Speaker 3: interviewing for them, so I obviously I'll take that job.
1:30:41
Speaker 3: I mean, it's hilarious from the Browns perspective and sad
1:30:45
Speaker 3: if you're a Browns fan. Of course, Mike McDaniel, we
1:30:49
Speaker 3: already talked about this one. He's already been officially hired
1:30:53
Speaker 3: as the offensive coordinator under Jim Harbaugh for the Chargers,
1:30:57
Speaker 3: but he too interviewing for the Bill's head coach. So
1:31:00
Speaker 3: here's the update on that The reason why I put
1:31:02
Speaker 3: this down. He was not he was not officially I
1:31:05
Speaker 3: learned he was not officially hired as the Chargers OC.
1:31:09
Speaker 3: He was like, they agreed to a deal, so they
1:31:11
Speaker 3: announced it, okay, but then he was in it. He interviewed,
1:31:15
Speaker 3: did an interview with with Buffalo after that, and now
1:31:19
Speaker 3: the Charger.
1:31:20
Speaker 2: The update today is the Chargers have made.
1:31:21
Speaker 3: It official, so he must he must have been told
1:31:25
Speaker 3: by Buffalo, hey, we like you, but we don't we're
1:31:28
Speaker 3: not going to hire you. So he's now signed on
1:31:30
Speaker 3: the dotted line. As the update, he is going to
1:31:32
Speaker 3: be the charge Jim harbaughz OC.
1:31:34
Speaker 2: For the Chargers. All right, I like it. Yeah.
1:31:36
Speaker 4: Mike McDaniel is hilarious, by the way. I don't I
1:31:38
Speaker 4: didn't like him.
1:31:39
Speaker 3: As a Cuban drug lord head coach in Miami, but
1:31:44
Speaker 3: I like him. He's a funny dude who I think
1:31:48
Speaker 3: is one of those coaches who's best suited as a
1:31:51
Speaker 3: play caller.
1:31:52
Speaker 2: So I have sorry with the Browns.
1:31:56
Speaker 3: I think I saw Jim Schwartz and Todd Munkin are
1:31:59
Speaker 3: the probably the two biggest names still in the running.
1:32:03
Speaker 3: Are they Are they gonna get? I'm just waiting for
1:32:07
Speaker 3: them to withdraw from the coaching search like this is.
1:32:10
Speaker 3: It seems like no one and for good reason, by
1:32:13
Speaker 3: the way, no one wants this Browns job at all.
1:32:16
Speaker 3: There was that, uh, there was the list put out
1:32:19
Speaker 3: refreshed this weekend of all the teams, all the NFL teams,
1:32:23
Speaker 3: a list how many times they've made it to the
1:32:25
Speaker 3: Super Bowl or whatever.
1:32:27
Speaker 2: Browns zero, Lions zero. Are they the only two?
1:32:34
Speaker 3: No, there's four, but the other two were expansion teams.
1:32:37
Speaker 3: Oh right, Yeah, they've been around forever. I mean the
1:32:40
Speaker 3: Browns technically you want to be technical about it, they've
1:32:43
Speaker 3: been around since ninety nine. But they they had one
1:32:45
Speaker 3: year without being a franchise and they had, you know,
1:32:48
Speaker 3: around forever before that. So yeah, it's sad. Sad to
1:32:52
Speaker 3: be a Browns fan. Sad to be the Browns as usual.
1:32:56
Speaker 3: The Houston Texans, the Jacksonville Jaguars, they've never been, but
1:33:02
Speaker 3: they haven't been around nearly as long. The Cleveland Browns
1:33:05
Speaker 3: and the Detroit Lions, never having made an appearance in
1:33:09
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. The New England Patriots are on trip
1:33:12
Speaker 3: number eleven to the Super Bowl. And by the way,
1:33:17
Speaker 3: it that's come so fast that they are, that they're
1:33:20
Speaker 3: the franchise with the most Super Bowl appearances because the
1:33:24
Speaker 3: Patriots were a sad franchise like pre Bill Parcells and
1:33:28
Speaker 3: Drew Bledsoeira and mid nineties, they were one of the
1:33:32
Speaker 3: sad franchise in the NFL.
1:33:34
Speaker 2: And it's only been.
1:33:37
Speaker 3: It's been thirty years since that point and they've they've
1:33:40
Speaker 3: gone to eleven. It's been, you know, twenty years since
1:33:43
Speaker 3: they won their first Super Bowl, twenty five years since
1:33:45
Speaker 3: one of those first Super Bowl they've now they're way
1:33:48
Speaker 3: more than the way more Super Bowl appearances than the Steelers,
1:33:51
Speaker 3: for example, we recognize as like the standard.
1:33:54
Speaker 2: It's crazy. So I guess uh, I guess you're.
1:34:00
Speaker 3: There's some hope for you, Yeah, Browns fans, because at
1:34:02
Speaker 3: one point this was the Patriots another they're standing on top.
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Speaker 2: really good player when he's healthy.
1:34:54
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean when he's healthy, he's the leading tackler
1:34:57
Speaker 3: for a national championship runner up. He was an All
1:35:01
Speaker 3: Big Ten linebacker playing for Rutgers. Okay, Rutgers as a
1:35:06
Speaker 3: program stinks. This guy who's made his college commitment and
1:35:11
Speaker 3: his freshman year was twenty nineteen.
1:35:15
Speaker 2: He played in the nineteen season.
1:35:16
Speaker 4: He kept getting hurt, then he would play all conference,
1:35:19
Speaker 4: then he would get hurt.
1:35:20
Speaker 2: So COVID year in there too.
1:35:22
Speaker 4: COVID year's in there, so he gets the automatic extra
1:35:25
Speaker 4: year there. He is now heading into season number eight,
1:35:28
Speaker 4: and guess what Miami has cornered the market on this?
1:35:31
Speaker 3: All right, Miami. We talked about how Indiana was such
1:35:36
Speaker 3: an old team, a quote unquote old team because they
1:35:39
Speaker 3: had all these upperclassmen. This guy going back to Miami
1:35:44
Speaker 3: for year number eight. They have the record. Cam McCormick,
1:35:49
Speaker 3: remember him, played tight end at Oregon, then transferred to Miami.
1:35:52
Speaker 2: He played nine seasons.
1:35:54
Speaker 4: He's got the record by himself nine seasons and now
1:35:58
Speaker 4: number two in college foot will belong to this Mohammed Torre,
1:36:02
Speaker 4: who's also a Miami Hurricane.
1:36:04
Speaker 3: Carson Beck was in his sixth year right as quarterback,
1:36:08
Speaker 3: or maybe he was fifth year, like they we it's funny.
1:36:12
Speaker 3: The national perspective on Indiana was, man, that's weird. These
1:36:17
Speaker 3: guys are so old. When the team they were playing,
1:36:20
Speaker 3: it's arguably just as old if you if you're if
1:36:25
Speaker 3: you're in college for eight years and you leave playing
1:36:29
Speaker 3: eight seasons of college football and you don't have at
1:36:31
Speaker 3: least your masters, if not your doctorate, you've really wasted
1:36:35
Speaker 3: your time.
1:36:36
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:36:37
Speaker 3: Now, I don't know what Rutgers is like academically. Miami
1:36:41
Speaker 3: for non athletes is a really tough school. It's a
1:36:44
Speaker 3: very good academic institution. So maybe that's why Carson Beck
1:36:49
Speaker 3: was not working on a master's and doctorate and was just.
1:36:52
Speaker 2: Not going to class.
1:36:53
Speaker 3: I just I still can't believe he was dumb enough
1:36:55
Speaker 3: to say that in an interview. That was really dumb.
1:36:58
Speaker 3: This is really dumb. Fun fact a local connection. Did
1:37:02
Speaker 3: you know that we have had a local athlete who
1:37:05
Speaker 3: competed for eight years collegiately, not named Cam Rising.
1:37:14
Speaker 2: Cam did seven? Right, it's seven years.
1:37:18
Speaker 3: Summer Alan Weaber State cross country was eight years of
1:37:23
Speaker 3: eligibility at Weaver State.
1:37:24
Speaker 2: Wow, isn't that wild? Weaber State? Great? Great? Great? We
1:37:28
Speaker 2: got to get summer Allan on and be like doctor,
1:37:32
Speaker 2: what are your degrees? Doctor Allen? Please?
1:37:36
Speaker 3: Or just play the Tommy Boys. Sound a lot of
1:37:38
Speaker 3: people go to college for seven years? Yeah, that's uh,
1:37:43
Speaker 3: and Cam Cam got close with seven. But he's similar
1:37:47
Speaker 3: to similar to Tory. That's why I asked, like injury
1:37:51
Speaker 3: riddle career because you because if you if you're injured
1:37:54
Speaker 3: a lot, you can and you played in twenty twenty,
1:37:58
Speaker 3: you can get to six seven eight years?
1:38:01
Speaker 2: Pretty oh yeah, easily normal is five. Add in the
1:38:04
Speaker 2: COVID year, you're gonna get six. Yeah. Right, it's a
1:38:07
Speaker 2: medical red shirt. Medical red shirt.
1:38:09
Speaker 3: You're at seven and then if you get hurt again,
1:38:11
Speaker 3: you can get another hardship and you could be an
1:38:13
Speaker 3: eight before.
1:38:14
Speaker 2: You know it.
1:38:14
Speaker 3: It's not it's it's not as hard for the for
1:38:18
Speaker 3: that era of player to get to eight years of
1:38:21
Speaker 3: playing college athletics. Nine sounds impossible. I can't believe McCormick
1:38:26
Speaker 3: got to nine. That's wow.
1:38:29
Speaker 4: Well, now I'm really curious to see how much more
1:38:32
Speaker 4: common things like this become, because if I'm getting like, now, right,
1:38:37
Speaker 4: there's four you get, you get four games where you
1:38:39
Speaker 4: can use your regular red shirt, right, and there's apparently
1:38:44
Speaker 4: some movement in the college football coaching circles they want
1:38:48
Speaker 4: to increase that to nine games.
1:38:50
Speaker 2: Goodness, so you get a full season.
1:38:53
Speaker 3: Basically, what that's that's not a red shirt at that point,
1:38:57
Speaker 3: like four, I was like, yes, that makes sense.
1:39:00
Speaker 2: They get to you get to see what what you
1:39:02
Speaker 2: have in the.
1:39:03
Speaker 3: Player making five to play five like it's like nine, Like,
1:39:07
Speaker 3: that's not a red shirt, guys, I'm sorry if you're
1:39:10
Speaker 3: gonna do If you're gonna do that, you might as
1:39:12
Speaker 3: well just grant people five years of eligibility and get
1:39:14
Speaker 3: rid of red shirts completely. You could only have medical
1:39:17
Speaker 3: red shirts, no more gray shirting. It's just you got
1:39:20
Speaker 3: five years, all right, just beat be done with five
1:39:23
Speaker 3: and you get longer. We know that there's players players
1:39:28
Speaker 3: trying to get five for five. Anyway, That's the Daily Dump,
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1:39:44
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1:39:49
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1:39:51
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Speaker 1: You attuned to the Sean O'Connell's from the Murdoch Chevrolet
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Speaker 1: studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety one.
1:40:05
Speaker 7: AM all right, new name you gotta get to know
1:40:18
Speaker 7: Utah football fans.
1:40:19
Speaker 3: It is Joe Dorazzio or maybe it's d Orazio.
1:40:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, I never know what the Italian apostrophe, you know
1:40:31
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about? Yeah, the comments to the top.
1:40:34
Speaker 4: Yeah, obviously I have an apostrophe in my last name,
1:40:39
Speaker 4: O'Connell when it's Dorazzio, like it's Italian name, right, you're
1:40:46
Speaker 4: supposed to say di Razzio?
1:40:48
Speaker 2: Are you supposed to say Dorazzio.
1:40:50
Speaker 3: When it's like a shout out to Utah women's volleyball program.
1:40:54
Speaker 3: The new new head coach taken over for bethleneer Alex
1:40:57
Speaker 3: d Rico. Yeah, same way, d apostrophe and it's Erico Rico. Yeah,
1:41:04
Speaker 3: so maybe it's Dazio.
1:41:05
Speaker 2: But are we are we anglicizing that or is it
1:41:08
Speaker 2: supposed to be the icle?
1:41:10
Speaker 3: Did I say my bad? Did I say out Rico?
1:41:13
Speaker 3: It's Alsa di Rico? In any case, Joe Dorazio or
1:41:17
Speaker 3: di Erasio.
1:41:18
Speaker 2: We will get that from him.
1:41:19
Speaker 4: Officially, the new GM at Utah football reported on by
1:41:26
Speaker 4: multiple sources. Now, I have officially texted an interview request
1:41:30
Speaker 4: and have not been responded to yet, So maybe they're
1:41:33
Speaker 4: waiting for this thing to be you know, ink dry
1:41:35
Speaker 4: on paper kind of a thing.
1:41:36
Speaker 2: That really interesting background.
1:41:39
Speaker 3: He spent last year as the director of football Strategy
1:41:43
Speaker 3: at USC. It's his only season at USC. He was
1:41:49
Speaker 3: a quality controlled by quality control coach at Baylor in
1:41:53
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. He spent five seasons in the IVY
1:41:57
Speaker 3: League at Columbia. He was the running backs coach and
1:42:02
Speaker 3: the director of learning and team development there, and was
1:42:05
Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator at Columbia in twenty twenty three.
1:42:10
Speaker 2: Okay, so quality control coach, what does that entail?
1:42:15
Speaker 4: Equality control coach is effectively an assistant to an assistant.
1:42:19
Speaker 4: It's just a name that they put on NFL rosters
1:42:23
Speaker 4: and now college staffs that because there's just no limit
1:42:26
Speaker 4: to how many coaches you can have. There's limits to
1:42:28
Speaker 4: how many assistant official assistant position coaches you can have,
1:42:32
Speaker 4: but you could just hire as many people as you want, right,
1:42:34
Speaker 4: So quality control assistant is like, you're you're not a GA,
1:42:41
Speaker 4: You're not an assistant coach, not an analyst, You're you
1:42:45
Speaker 4: basically are an analyst. You're you're paid in that weird
1:42:47
Speaker 4: middle ground. Gotchas as an assistant coach.
1:42:50
Speaker 3: So he was the quality control and assistant wide receivers
1:42:55
Speaker 3: coach for the Philadelphia Eagles in twenty sixteen, in twenty seventeen,
1:43:00
Speaker 3: right before their Super Bowl victory, and he also spent
1:43:06
Speaker 3: time twenty thirteen twenty fifteen as a special assistant to
1:43:10
Speaker 3: Andy Reid with the Kansas City Chiefs.
1:43:14
Speaker 2: For a really good resume, he.
1:43:16
Speaker 3: Coached tight ends at the University of Chicago in twenty eleven.
1:43:20
Speaker 3: He was a twenty twelve graduate assistant at the University
1:43:24
Speaker 3: of Utah. That's where he met Morgan Scalley. That's where
1:43:27
Speaker 3: his only connection to this Utah program is. And he
1:43:30
Speaker 3: was a Penn University of Pennsylvania student athlete. He graduated
1:43:35
Speaker 3: in twenty eleven. He was a starter on the Penn
1:43:39
Speaker 3: football offensive line, three year starter, two time All IVY
1:43:43
Speaker 3: League selection, and a senior year captain. So this is
1:43:47
Speaker 3: a football dude who is now going to be your
1:43:50
Speaker 3: new GM. By the way, he helped the Quakers of
1:43:57
Speaker 3: Penn to back to back IVY League championships in twan
1:44:00
Speaker 3: nine in twenty ten, So.
1:44:02
Speaker 2: Let's put some respect on his name.
1:44:04
Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, managing an IVY League class load and
1:44:09
Speaker 3: being an all conference football player.
1:44:12
Speaker 2: I get it.
1:44:12
Speaker 3: It's not as sexy as being in the Pac twelve
1:44:15
Speaker 3: or as a big deal of being in the Big
1:44:17
Speaker 3: twelve or the SEC or the ACC or the Big
1:44:19
Speaker 3: ten or whatever.
1:44:20
Speaker 2: But like I put a lot of respect on any football.
1:44:25
Speaker 4: Player at any level who's performing at the top of
1:44:28
Speaker 4: their league. When the competition in front of you is
1:44:30
Speaker 4: not as good as you, you're a good football player.
1:44:34
Speaker 4: So and Penn is not one of those programs that
1:44:38
Speaker 4: not that, not that I pay that close attention Ivy
1:44:40
Speaker 4: League football. But you hear Yale and Harvard winning most years,
1:44:45
Speaker 4: you don't hear Penn most years.
1:44:47
Speaker 3: So that's at least not that in this modern era.
1:44:51
Speaker 3: So that's that's something to do with Penn.
1:44:54
Speaker 2: I would think.
1:44:55
Speaker 3: So this is a guy I gave you his full
1:44:58
Speaker 3: resume because we're going to get to know him, We're
1:45:01
Speaker 3: going to get to figure out what his strategy is. Obviously,
1:45:04
Speaker 3: his strategy has to reflect Morgan's strategy. I think your
1:45:08
Speaker 3: GM's got to be somebody who's charismatic on both fronts
1:45:11
Speaker 3: because you have to deal with agents and players, but
1:45:13
Speaker 3: you also have to deal with the sources of this money.
1:45:16
Speaker 2: Right there are going to be.
1:45:18
Speaker 3: In Utah's case, most contracts are done through the revenue
1:45:23
Speaker 3: sharing thing. Right from what I've been told, Utah has
1:45:27
Speaker 3: got your full revenue share, which I think is twenty
1:45:31
Speaker 3: three million dollars coming up for next year. Twenty three
1:45:35
Speaker 3: million dollars and probably another four or five million on
1:45:38
Speaker 3: top of that.
1:45:39
Speaker 2: That's true. Nil, that's true.
1:45:40
Speaker 4: Like donor donation, it's something like a you know, car
1:45:46
Speaker 4: dealership getting involved, et cetera, et cetera. So let's say
1:45:51
Speaker 4: you have this, you know, we'll we'll call it a
1:45:53
Speaker 4: twenty five just to be around twenty five million dollar
1:45:56
Speaker 4: roster salary cap. You've got to help your head coach navigate.
1:46:00
Speaker 4: You got a guy with an Ivy League education, who
1:46:02
Speaker 4: has NFL experience, who was just at Baylor and at
1:46:06
Speaker 4: USC and those are places that are both on different
1:46:09
Speaker 4: ends of that nil spectrum. So this is a guy who's, uh,
1:46:13
Speaker 4: you know, he's got some experience, and he has at
1:46:17
Speaker 4: least a little familiarity with Salt Lake City because he
1:46:19
Speaker 4: spent a year here as a grand assistant.
1:46:22
Speaker 3: I like it until I have a reason not to.
1:46:24
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you this is cool now. Brian Bleckin,
1:46:30
Speaker 3: excuse me, Bobby Bleckin. Brian Blecken was the player. Bobby
1:46:33
Speaker 3: Bleckin the brother who has been on the personnel staff
1:46:37
Speaker 3: for the University of Utah and was their GM. Sounds
1:46:40
Speaker 3: like he's headed to Michigan, which was I think anticipated
1:46:45
Speaker 3: by a lot of people. The interesting thing about the
1:46:48
Speaker 3: timing here is like when you have to fill out
1:46:53
Speaker 3: the roster for the University of Utah before the transfer
1:46:58
Speaker 3: portal closes, and you know that you're probably not going
1:47:03
Speaker 3: to be staying here.
1:47:05
Speaker 2: How do you do that job?
1:47:09
Speaker 4: That's another reason why the college football calendar really needs
1:47:14
Speaker 4: to be addressed. I think personnel changes need to happen,
1:47:20
Speaker 4: and personnel of player personnel changes and coaching personnel changes
1:47:25
Speaker 4: need to happen as close to one another as possible.
1:47:29
Speaker 3: There's not really a window a limitation on college coaching
1:47:34
Speaker 3: hires from a legal paperwork standpoint, but certainly from a
1:47:38
Speaker 3: practical standpoint. If you're moving on from your old coach,
1:47:41
Speaker 3: you got to have your new coach in by you
1:47:43
Speaker 3: know whatever, two weeks later. You want the player personnel
1:47:47
Speaker 3: and the coaching personnel to be concurrent with one another
1:47:50
Speaker 3: so that you don't have this because if you're Bobby
1:47:54
Speaker 3: Black and much like the you know, old miss coaches
1:47:57
Speaker 3: in the semi final, you're just like, well, I think
1:47:59
Speaker 3: I'm going to end up there, but I got to
1:48:01
Speaker 3: do a really good job here while I'm here. And
1:48:04
Speaker 3: I'm sure he did his darnest. It seems like this
1:48:07
Speaker 3: was kind of an emotional thing for him. He sent
1:48:09
Speaker 3: out like an apology tweet, which we could have done better.
1:48:12
Speaker 3: I don't think any apologies necessary. I think that given
1:48:15
Speaker 3: the landscape of college football, he and his staff did
1:48:19
Speaker 3: a pretty remarkable job with what utaugh Football's roster looked
1:48:23
Speaker 3: like this past year. So nothing to hang your head
1:48:26
Speaker 3: about if you had if you were any part of
1:48:31
Speaker 3: building that offensive line, bringing in the quarterback, the quarterbacks,
1:48:37
Speaker 3: the future of this running back room, et cetera, et cetera.
1:48:40
Speaker 3: If you want to apologize for something, apologize for this
1:48:44
Speaker 3: coaching staff never being able to figure out wide receivers. Yeah,
1:48:48
Speaker 3: that's not on you, Black, and thank you for your service.
1:48:52
Speaker 3: Enjoy your time in ann Arbor. I was gonna say
1:48:55
Speaker 3: real quick that I think it's they did the best
1:48:59
Speaker 3: they could with the time of this.
1:49:00
Speaker 2: It seems like.
1:49:03
Speaker 3: You would think that Morgan Morgan, then the former head coach,
1:49:07
Speaker 3: knew that there was going to be a change here.
1:49:09
Speaker 2: He's going to go to he was gonna go to
1:49:12
Speaker 2: the former head coach's new program.
1:49:14
Speaker 3: Right, But given that they waited until the second the
1:49:21
Speaker 3: last transfer portal window for the National Championship teams National
1:49:25
Speaker 3: champion the game, the teams that played in the National
1:49:28
Speaker 3: Championship Game ended before he moves on, before Black and
1:49:32
Speaker 3: moves on, before the new guy comes in. I think
1:49:37
Speaker 3: they did the best they could to make that transition
1:49:42
Speaker 3: as smooth as it could be for both schools. So
1:49:44
Speaker 3: all things considered, seems like they did they did okay
1:49:48
Speaker 3: with that timing. But yeah, it doesn't take anything away
1:49:52
Speaker 3: from the idea that the calendar needs to be fixed
1:49:55
Speaker 3: right now because this is too much upheaval to have
1:49:58
Speaker 3: to figure out and someone being in between having to
1:50:03
Speaker 3: focus on doing a great job.
1:50:05
Speaker 2: I mean, let you're not.
1:50:06
Speaker 3: Gonna do as good a job in that case, no
1:50:08
Speaker 3: matter how much you're how how well you're trying to
1:50:11
Speaker 3: navigate that and how much integrity you have, you're just not.
1:50:14
Speaker 3: Your focus is split like that, things are gonna slip.
1:50:17
Speaker 3: So yeah, calendar needs to be fixed. Also, looks like
1:50:23
Speaker 3: Reggie done moving on from this Utah football program as well.
1:50:27
Speaker 3: He's been in the player experience role whatever that means,
1:50:32
Speaker 3: basically part of this personnel department. Reggie, by the way,
1:50:36
Speaker 3: a listener to the show shout out, shout out to Reggie.
1:50:41
Speaker 4: We'll miss you, dude, great player in the in the
1:50:44
Speaker 4: in the program and now you know has been a
1:50:46
Speaker 4: part of the program. And I genuinely there's no tongue
1:50:49
Speaker 4: in cheek here, genuinely wish all these guys' success at
1:50:52
Speaker 4: the next stop, wherever that is, Michigan or elsewhere. Yeah,
1:50:55
Speaker 4: like you just it's easy when you get your fandom
1:50:58
Speaker 4: involved to forget that this is like a human thing.
1:51:01
Speaker 4: It's not ever easy to uproot even yourself. If you
1:51:03
Speaker 4: have a family, it gets that much tougher. And the
1:51:07
Speaker 4: college sports world, there is no such thing.
1:51:10
Speaker 2: As job security.
1:51:12
Speaker 3: So putting food on your table, roof over your head
1:51:16
Speaker 3: and hopefully having some success, like I root for it
1:51:19
Speaker 3: all for every one of these guys.
1:51:20
Speaker 2: When we should. If you're a if you're a Utah.
1:51:24
Speaker 3: Fan, if you're a utilum, and this program, these athletic programs,
1:51:29
Speaker 3: particularly football, mean that much to you, you should be
1:51:33
Speaker 3: wishing your fellow utilum's all the best wherever they end up. Right,
1:51:39
Speaker 3: that's good for your program to say, hey, yeah, that
1:51:42
Speaker 3: guy is doing this at this place, NFL, different program, whatever,
1:51:47
Speaker 3: because that builds up your program, even if it's not
1:51:50
Speaker 3: at still at your school. Right, So shout out to
1:51:53
Speaker 3: Reggie done. We're gonna have to now that he's not
1:51:56
Speaker 3: with the university, We're gonna have to get him on
1:51:58
Speaker 3: the show at some point talk about his career and
1:52:01
Speaker 3: what he's got going next.
1:52:02
Speaker 4: Possibly, All right, if you are a little bit sick
1:52:06
Speaker 4: of all of these things, the timeline, the transfer portals,
1:52:10
Speaker 4: the tampering, the nil stuff, I've got a real treat
1:52:14
Speaker 4: for you. Next, we have sound of Dabo Swinney pulling receipts,
1:52:21
Speaker 4: naming names, time stamp and chances are you might if
1:52:24
Speaker 4: you're a hardcore fan, you may have heard this rant already.
1:52:27
Speaker 4: We're gonna give it to you in its entirety. Dabo Swinny,
1:52:31
Speaker 4: Clemson head coach. He found himself in the crosshairs or
1:52:36
Speaker 4: one of his players in the crosshairs of the old
1:52:38
Speaker 4: miss recruiting machine and nil machine and offer machine and
1:52:41
Speaker 4: tampering machine. And he took exception to it. And we
1:52:45
Speaker 4: have not seen a coach do this before. He got
1:52:48
Speaker 4: in front of a microphone and he played tattletale.
1:52:53
Speaker 3: I'm here for it. We'll play the sound for you.
1:52:55
Speaker 3: Next we'll talk about what it means for college football.
1:52:57
Speaker 3: It's the Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN seven m.
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1:53:16
Speaker 5: A f am.
1:53:22
Speaker 3: Oh, Dabo, You're a gift that keeps on given. Dabo Sweeney,
1:53:26
Speaker 3: the Clemson football head coach, took exception to ole Miss
1:53:33
Speaker 3: tampering with the player who Clemson had already gotten in
1:53:36
Speaker 3: the transfer portal. He was one of the top freshman
1:53:39
Speaker 3: defenders in all of college football this past year playing
1:53:43
Speaker 3: linebacker at Cal. Clemson secured the commitment, brought him to
1:53:48
Speaker 3: South Carolina, had him in class. Luke Fernelli ends up, well,
1:53:54
Speaker 3: I'll let Dabbo tell you. Here's the timeline he's pulling receipts.
1:53:58
Speaker 8: The agent, Ron Williams, calls Jordan Sorels, and during that conversation,
1:54:03
Speaker 8: Ryan conveys that ole Miss has been coming hard.
1:54:07
Speaker 6: After Luke Sorels confirmed, he went.
1:54:12
Speaker 8: With the agent, he said, are you talking about the
1:54:14
Speaker 8: same Luke that's been enrolled, that's enrolled at Clemson, that's
1:54:17
Speaker 8: been in class, that's moved here, that simon Clemson, And
1:54:22
Speaker 8: the agent assured him, yes, the same one. But he
1:54:26
Speaker 8: also assured Jordan Sorels that Luke had no intention of
1:54:31
Speaker 8: leaving Clemson, but just.
1:54:32
Speaker 6: Thought y'all should be in the loop and check up
1:54:34
Speaker 6: on him. Tomorrow.
1:54:36
Speaker 8: So Thursday, January fifteenth, at eleven forty five am, just
1:54:40
Speaker 8: this past whatever Thursday, Jordan came to me and he
1:54:45
Speaker 8: told me about the conversation that he had the night
1:54:47
Speaker 8: before with the agent at nine to forty nine. And
1:54:50
Speaker 8: so I told Sorels. I directed, Sorels, how you reach out?
1:54:53
Speaker 6: Don't know?
1:54:54
Speaker 8: I said, who's their GM? He said, his name is
1:54:56
Speaker 8: Austin Thomas. I said, well, you reach out to their GM.
1:54:59
Speaker 8: He said he knows him. And I said, listen, this
1:55:02
Speaker 8: guy has been a head.
1:55:02
Speaker 6: Coach for four weeks.
1:55:05
Speaker 8: I said, you reach out to the GM. I'm going
1:55:10
Speaker 8: to give him some grace and you let him know
1:55:13
Speaker 8: that we know what's going on, all right, and if
1:55:18
Speaker 8: he doesn't cease communication, I'm going to turn him in.
1:55:21
Speaker 8: And so I really thought that would be the end
1:55:23
Speaker 8: of it, but it wasn't. So so after that, that
1:55:27
Speaker 8: was eleven forty five. At twelve ten, Jordan communicated to
1:55:33
Speaker 8: Austin Thomas via text because he was unable to reach
1:55:36
Speaker 8: him on the phone, and just a few minutes later,
1:55:39
Speaker 8: at twelve fourteen, they.
1:55:41
Speaker 6: Both connected on the phone.
1:55:43
Speaker 8: They old missed GM Austin Thomas, and Jordan reiterated our
1:55:47
Speaker 8: stance one more time. The GM assured Jordan that he
1:55:53
Speaker 8: had communicated to the agent that he wanted no part
1:55:56
Speaker 8: of this and that his relationship with Jordan was more
1:55:59
Speaker 8: important to him than Luke Farelli.
1:56:02
Speaker 6: But that Pete Golding just does what he does quote unquote.
1:56:10
Speaker 8: So at one point thirty Sorels met with Luke face
1:56:14
Speaker 8: to face in his office and Luke communicated to Jordan
1:56:20
Speaker 8: and to Ben Boulware that Pete texted him on Wednesday
1:56:23
Speaker 8: morning the head coach at ole Miss when he was
1:56:27
Speaker 8: in his eight am class, and he said the text
1:56:31
Speaker 8: message said I know you're signed, what's the buyout? And
1:56:37
Speaker 8: they also Luke said that Coach Golding also also texted
1:56:42
Speaker 8: him a picture of a one million dollar contract. He
1:56:50
Speaker 8: also Luke also mentioned to Jordan and the Ben that
1:56:57
Speaker 8: Coach Golding had had Trinidad Shamblis call him from his
1:57:01
Speaker 8: phone and that Coach Golding was there continuing to talk
1:57:06
Speaker 8: on his phone to push him to re enter the
1:57:08
Speaker 8: transfer portal.
1:57:11
Speaker 6: He also said that Jackson Dark had reached.
1:57:14
Speaker 8: Out and called him, But Luke again assured Jordan that
1:57:18
Speaker 8: he had no intention of leaving, and Jordan kept me
1:57:24
Speaker 8: in the loop and told me the same thing. So
1:57:26
Speaker 8: we had a staff meeting on Friday morning, January sixteenth,
1:57:31
Speaker 8: the last day of the portal. At eleven twenty, Luke
1:57:35
Speaker 8: called Ben Bolware and told him that Mississippi had reached
1:57:39
Speaker 8: out again, even though I had kind of let them
1:57:43
Speaker 8: know the day before, had reached out again, and they
1:57:46
Speaker 8: had not only reached out, but they had upped and
1:57:49
Speaker 8: doubled their offer. But Luke told Ben, hey, it's all
1:57:53
Speaker 8: We're good, and so Luke Ben told Luke to come
1:57:58
Speaker 8: to the office and see Sorrels and Coach Sweeney and
1:58:01
Speaker 8: let him know everything is okay. So when that call,
1:58:05
Speaker 8: when that was over, then then texted Jordan Sorels and
1:58:10
Speaker 8: he let him know that Old miss had raised its
1:58:13
Speaker 8: offer to two years, two million, and again that he
1:58:18
Speaker 8: had told Luke.
1:58:18
Speaker 6: To come over and see us and let us know
1:58:20
Speaker 6: that everything is good.
1:58:22
Speaker 8: So at eleven fifty seven, so eleven twenty, Luke called
1:58:26
Speaker 8: Ben eleven twenty two.
1:58:27
Speaker 6: He texted Jordan this.
1:58:29
Speaker 8: At eleven fifty seven, Sorels spoke with the agent Ryan
1:58:32
Speaker 8: Williams about the situation.
1:58:34
Speaker 6: Once again. He confirmed, he confirmed.
1:58:38
Speaker 8: The agent confirmed that head coach Pete Golding had continued
1:58:41
Speaker 8: to communicate with Luke and had raised the offer once again.
1:58:46
Speaker 8: Jordan asked to have Luke to give us the text
1:58:49
Speaker 8: messages that he had received from Coach Golding, but the
1:58:54
Speaker 8: agent was hesitant to do that because he didn't want
1:58:57
Speaker 8: to burn any bridges with old Miss, as you never.
1:58:59
Speaker 6: Know what will happen down the road.
1:59:02
Speaker 8: However, the agent communicated that if we were to add
1:59:08
Speaker 8: a second year at a million dollars to the already
1:59:11
Speaker 8: agreed upon deal with Luke, then they would gladly give
1:59:16
Speaker 8: us whatever we need in order to turn Ole Miss, in.
1:59:22
Speaker 6: Which Jordan appropriately said, no, we're not doing that.
1:59:27
Speaker 8: He also communicated that Ole Miss assistant director of Player Personnel.
1:59:32
Speaker 8: I guess it's Jay, It's Jai cho U da Roy shortery.
1:59:37
Speaker 8: I'm not sure, but the direct assistant director of Player
1:59:40
Speaker 8: of Personnel was pushing to set up a zoom call
1:59:43
Speaker 8: with them to discuss the details of their contract offer.
1:59:50
Speaker 8: So that was eleven fifty seven talking to the agent.
1:59:53
Speaker 8: At twelve thirty, Seorls met Luke out in the parking
1:59:58
Speaker 8: lot outside our all facility and Luke communicated that he
2:00:03
Speaker 8: was coming to assure him and Coach Sweeney that he
2:00:06
Speaker 8: wasn't going anywhere.
2:00:09
Speaker 6: I was not in the building.
2:00:11
Speaker 8: Jordan called me to let me know what Luke said
2:00:15
Speaker 8: and for me to reach out to him. I called
2:00:18
Speaker 8: Luke and didn't get an answer. I'm back at work.
2:00:23
Speaker 8: I'm in my office. Everything's good. Four fourteen, Jordan Sorels
2:00:30
Speaker 8: comes to see me. He had gotten a call from
2:00:34
Speaker 8: compliance telling him that Luke is in our compliance office
2:00:39
Speaker 8: trying to request to re enter the transfer portal, so
2:00:43
Speaker 8: Jordan let me know.
2:00:44
Speaker 6: He let Tom Allen know called Luke. No answer.
2:00:47
Speaker 8: At four nineteen, Jordan called the agent Ryan Williams again
2:00:51
Speaker 8: to alert him that Luke had requested to enter the portal.
2:00:54
Speaker 8: He responded via text to let him know that he
2:00:57
Speaker 8: was flying. Sorels text, Luke just reached out to our
2:01:02
Speaker 8: compliance and requested to go in the portal.
2:01:04
Speaker 6: What the heck is going on? The AEGIS response.
2:01:08
Speaker 8: Was, oh bleep, let me try and find out at
2:01:13
Speaker 8: four forty. At four forty, Sorels and Coach Allen arrived
2:01:20
Speaker 8: at Luke's apartment. Luke was in the day driveway when
2:01:23
Speaker 8: they got there. His immediate response was I'm going to
2:01:27
Speaker 8: old miss. Coach Allen and Jordan spent some time talking
2:01:31
Speaker 8: to him, and when they departed he just said, hey,
2:01:33
Speaker 8: I need to clear it, need to clear my head.
2:01:36
Speaker 8: At five point thirty nine, Jordan spoke with the old
2:01:39
Speaker 8: miss GM Austin Thomas again to let.
2:01:41
Speaker 6: Him know that we knew all that was going on
2:01:44
Speaker 6: and that we were going to.
2:01:45
Speaker 8: Pursue all options to hold them accountable for tampering.
2:01:50
Speaker 6: And then at seven twenty.
2:01:51
Speaker 8: After a phone call with Tom Allen and Benbo where
2:01:53
Speaker 8: Luke affirmed his planning to enter the transfer portal, and
2:01:56
Speaker 8: then he called me and told me the same thing.
2:01:59
Speaker 8: Once I got word of all this at four point
2:02:02
Speaker 8: fifteen that he was in going over there trying to
2:02:04
Speaker 8: go in the portal, I immediately called R. A. D.
2:02:07
Speaker 6: Graham Neph.
2:02:08
Speaker 8: I also called Commissioner Phillips. He also called the SEC
2:02:15
Speaker 8: Commissioner and others. So you know, this is obviously a
2:02:20
Speaker 8: crazy time. We turned everything in to the NCAA.
2:02:29
Speaker 4: We could keep going with the sound, but that is
2:02:31
Speaker 4: Dabbo pulling his receipts time stamping, telling you exactly how
2:02:35
Speaker 4: this process went. And this, by the way, does not
2:02:39
Speaker 4: work out well for him. He doesn't get to keep
2:02:41
Speaker 4: his player.
2:02:42
Speaker 3: He's talking about this because his guy, Luke Farelli, who
2:02:46
Speaker 3: he stole from Cal is now leaving for Old Miss.
2:02:55
Speaker 3: This is a linebacker who I'm trying to look up
2:02:59
Speaker 3: his stats. Luke Farelli was again one of the better
2:03:05
Speaker 3: freshman defenders in all of college football this year.
2:03:08
Speaker 2: But this is not a quarterback. This is a guy
2:03:16
Speaker 2: who I don't know.
2:03:18
Speaker 3: I have a hard time officially thirty eight solo tackles,
2:03:22
Speaker 3: one sack, one interception. Ole Miss is giving a two
2:03:27
Speaker 3: million dollar commitment to a guy with thirty eight tackles,
2:03:31
Speaker 3: one sack, and one interception. This is not a QB.
2:03:35
Speaker 3: This is not a receiver who scored you fifteen touchdowns.
2:03:38
Speaker 3: This is not a running back who gave you a
2:03:39
Speaker 3: thousand yards. Is he a good football player? Absolutely, it's
2:03:43
Speaker 3: his upside. I mean, he's got NFL potential. How bad
2:03:50
Speaker 3: is it? How crazy is it for the guys playing
2:03:53
Speaker 3: higher value position?
2:03:54
Speaker 2: Remember linebacker?
2:03:55
Speaker 3: When we looked at that list from the Athletic the
2:03:57
Speaker 3: average price of how much it costs linebackers on like
2:04:00
Speaker 3: the low end From a positional standpoint, it's quarterbacks tackles.
2:04:05
Speaker 3: It's just like it is in the NFL and Dabbo
2:04:08
Speaker 3: playing tattletale and whistleblower here is kind of hilarious, but
2:04:14
Speaker 3: it's also I think somewhat important. One of the comments
2:04:21
Speaker 3: that we didn't give you in the sound that I
2:04:23
Speaker 3: think is an important one.
2:04:25
Speaker 4: This is not about a linebacker at Clemson. Dabo Swiney said,
2:04:30
Speaker 4: I don't want anyone on our team that doesn't want
2:04:31
Speaker 4: to be here. But it's about the next kit and
2:04:33
Speaker 4: the next kit and the message that's being sent with
2:04:36
Speaker 4: blatant tampering being allowed to happen without consequences. This isn't
2:04:40
Speaker 4: about our program. It's about college football. There's a lot
2:04:44
Speaker 4: of Utah fans who have a real bad, bad, bad
2:04:47
Speaker 4: taste right now about tampering or perceived tampering with recruits
2:04:51
Speaker 4: that we're in this exact situation, well not this exact situation,
2:04:55
Speaker 4: but a similar situation. Luke Frelli played a season at
2:04:59
Speaker 4: col so Lesimoa had not yet played anything at the
2:05:03
Speaker 4: University of Utah. But like this kid was at Clemson
2:05:07
Speaker 4: on campus in an apartment, driving a car, all of
2:05:12
Speaker 4: which are paid for by the university. Then old Miss
2:05:16
Speaker 4: calls eleventh hours just like, hey man, we got money
2:05:18
Speaker 4: for you if you were paying attention to dabble in
2:05:21
Speaker 4: that timeline, this kid wanted to stay loyal to Clemson.
2:05:26
Speaker 4: He was telling the player personnel manager at Clemson, Hey,
2:05:30
Speaker 4: they're messing with me.
2:05:31
Speaker 2: Hey, they're calling me. The agent.
2:05:34
Speaker 4: This kid's agent was like, yeah, he's got no intention
2:05:38
Speaker 4: of leaving, but every man has a price, me and
2:05:42
Speaker 4: you included. Old Miss came and said, all right, fine,
2:05:46
Speaker 4: never mind the million dollar offer. How about two million dollars?
2:05:50
Speaker 4: And then that's when the tone changed for Farelli and
2:05:53
Speaker 4: his agent. His agent goes back to Clemson and says,
2:05:57
Speaker 4: if you want the proof of all this this message
2:06:00
Speaker 4: than is tampering, give us another year at another million dollars.
2:06:04
Speaker 4: Make it a two year contract. And Dabo's guy knows
2:06:09
Speaker 4: Dabo and says, no, we're not doing that. Now, you
2:06:14
Speaker 4: got to fill in your own blanks here. So the
2:06:16
Speaker 4: agent who's doing that and communicating says, oh, they're not
2:06:19
Speaker 4: going to give you a second year. They're not going
2:06:21
Speaker 4: to give you another million dollars. Ole Miss has offered that.
2:06:27
Speaker 4: Now you're the player and the agent and you're having
2:06:29
Speaker 4: a conversation. I guess they don't value as much as
2:06:31
Speaker 4: old Miss does. Going old Miss then, and that's what.
2:06:34
Speaker 2: He decides to do. I mean, Dabo's time stamping.
2:06:39
Speaker 3: He's got guys chasing this kid around town, going over
2:06:42
Speaker 3: to his house. He's sitting in the driveway in his car,
2:06:45
Speaker 3: and they're like, where are you going?
2:06:46
Speaker 2: I'm going to Old.
2:06:47
Speaker 3: Miss That's drama over a freshman linebacker. Whatever tales are
2:06:55
Speaker 3: told about this, Darien Mens's situation, the duke quarterback that
2:06:58
Speaker 3: Miami apparently wants. I believe him now because this is
2:07:01
Speaker 3: over a linebacker with thirty eight tackles. This is not
2:07:04
Speaker 3: over a quarterback with ten thousand career passing yards. You
2:07:10
Speaker 3: got two coaches or two staff members literally physically trying
2:07:14
Speaker 3: to chase this kid down and track him down while
2:07:17
Speaker 3: he's fielding phone calls, talking to his agent, probably talking
2:07:20
Speaker 3: to his parents, probably talking to his girlfriend, talking to
2:07:22
Speaker 3: his best friend at Pete Golding, who dabbo astutely points
2:07:25
Speaker 3: out has been in the job for four weeks, is like, yeah, dude,
2:07:30
Speaker 3: we're just gonna play dirty because we gotta win. An
2:07:32
Speaker 3: Old Miss local connection in there too. Jackson Dart called
2:07:37
Speaker 3: this kid. What is Jackson Dart gonna say? Hey, you'd
2:07:42
Speaker 3: rather be at Old Missed than Clemson. Hey, I'm the
2:07:46
Speaker 3: Giants starting quarterback. I'm dating an influencer. Now, the same
2:07:49
Speaker 3: thing could happen for you. I mean what, yeah, because
2:07:52
Speaker 3: we're gonna pretend that you're a quarterback, a star quarterback.
2:07:55
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. Here's the thing.
2:07:57
Speaker 3: If if you're offering me two million dollars, the phone
2:08:01
Speaker 3: call from the celebrity that you know means absolutely nothing
2:08:04
Speaker 3: to me. Like, I'm sorry, who's who's your favorite celebrity?
2:08:12
Speaker 3: Denzel Washington's my favorite actor? Okay they have if Oregon
2:08:17
Speaker 3: has Denzel Washington called me? Hey, man, you should really
2:08:22
Speaker 3: come to Oregon. I like, Denzel, Yeah, I love your movies.
2:08:24
Speaker 3: They already offered me two billion bucks.
2:08:25
Speaker 2: That's enough. I don't. It's great to talk to you,
2:08:28
Speaker 2: but you're not the reason I'm coming.
2:08:30
Speaker 3: It's like, it's like the All the Knicks failed attempts
2:08:35
Speaker 3: at at luring big time stars and free agency Lebron James,
2:08:41
Speaker 3: especially the all the cele the the tape that they
2:08:45
Speaker 3: made all the Knicks fans, celebrities that are like.
2:08:49
Speaker 2: Oh, you would be a legend at the garden. Man.
2:08:52
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, I know.
2:08:55
Speaker 3: And also, by the way, I have your phone number,
2:08:58
Speaker 3: Like I don't know what is what does that do
2:09:02
Speaker 3: for Lebron James? You know, like, here's the tough part,
2:09:06
Speaker 3: and this is Darren our resident byu fan points this out.
2:09:09
Speaker 3: We all, the NCAA is not going to do anything
2:09:11
Speaker 3: because they have a spine made out of linguini. You
2:09:14
Speaker 3: know why the ncble A is not gonna do anything
2:09:16
Speaker 3: about this? Why Dabo's just gonna be the old man
2:09:19
Speaker 3: shaking his fist at the clouds here. It's one of
2:09:23
Speaker 3: the rare things we're not I'm not even gonna blame
2:09:25
Speaker 3: the NCAA for.
2:09:26
Speaker 2: Do you know why this is happening?
2:09:28
Speaker 4: Because other coaches, other coaches are too guilty of tampering
2:09:34
Speaker 4: to want to call out tampering and to want to
2:09:36
Speaker 4: have other people be penalized for tampering.
2:09:38
Speaker 3: And Dabo is such a wild card that he just
2:09:41
Speaker 3: he doesn't like he He probably he and his staff
2:09:45
Speaker 3: are probably doing things that are not strictly within the
2:09:48
Speaker 3: rules because everyone is, and he just doesn't care. He's like,
2:09:52
Speaker 3: I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna take the moral high ground
2:09:55
Speaker 3: even if I don't have no reason. I have no
2:09:57
Speaker 3: reason to like. I mean, let's Clemson was getting Luke
2:10:02
Speaker 3: Farelli out of the transfer portal. You think that there
2:10:04
Speaker 3: was not any tampering when he decided to put his
2:10:08
Speaker 3: name in the transfer port I guess maybe that's possible.
2:10:11
Speaker 2: Like Dabo, what have you believe?
2:10:13
Speaker 3: He follows everything, every rule that's ever written, and and
2:10:19
Speaker 3: that his program is the moral authority on everything. And
2:10:23
Speaker 3: we all know that that's not true because we because
2:10:26
Speaker 3: everyone breaks the rules at some point intentionally unintentionally, and
2:10:30
Speaker 3: Dabbo and his staff are certainly intentionally breaking some rules.
2:10:34
Speaker 3: And Okay, so Dabo is fifty six years old, he's
2:10:37
Speaker 3: already won national championships, he's already made one hundred million
2:10:41
Speaker 3: dollars as a coach. His stance on these things is
2:10:45
Speaker 3: going to be different than like, I think, Dan Lanning
2:10:48
Speaker 3: is a good coach and a good dude from what
2:10:50
Speaker 3: I can tell. But Dan Lanning ain't calling this out
2:10:53
Speaker 3: if USC steals a recruit from them, because he's like, uh,
2:10:58
Speaker 3: we live in a glasshouse. We're not gonna throw any stones.
2:11:02
Speaker 4: That's the really unfortunate thing about this is I think
2:11:05
Speaker 4: that fans listen to this and they say, hell yeah, Dabbo,
2:11:12
Speaker 4: pull out your receipts, demand accountability. Tampering is bad and
2:11:19
Speaker 4: I think the coaches, who are more victimized by the
2:11:22
Speaker 4: tampering obviously than the fans are. I think the coaches go, yeah,
2:11:28
Speaker 4: I mean, in principle, we like what Dabo's saying, but
2:11:32
Speaker 4: in reality, if none of us are tampering with one another,
2:11:37
Speaker 4: we could take this moral high ground.
2:11:39
Speaker 2: The problem is.
2:11:41
Speaker 3: We've all decided it's the Tour de France thing again, right,
2:11:46
Speaker 3: everyone in college football and college basketball, and college softball
2:11:50
Speaker 3: and probably gymnastics and who knows what else. Everyone has
2:11:54
Speaker 3: kind of decided that, like, the morality of this thing
2:11:58
Speaker 3: is a distant tenth place to the money involved, to
2:12:04
Speaker 3: the contracts, to the victories that I think I could
2:12:07
Speaker 3: get with this person, to the nil deals the fans support.
2:12:11
Speaker 3: It's like doing it the right way everyone agrees would
2:12:16
Speaker 3: be better, but there are very few programs that are
2:12:20
Speaker 3: willing to risk trying to do it only the right
2:12:23
Speaker 3: way and risk losing right Because imagine, all right, I
2:12:29
Speaker 3: know that most of you out there listening right now
2:12:31
Speaker 3: are Utah football fans or your BYU football fans. Right,
2:12:35
Speaker 3: Imagine that your head coach, your GM, your whatever person
2:12:41
Speaker 3: of any your athletic director, anyone with any influence the
2:12:44
Speaker 3: head of your collective, your nil manager, whatever. Imagine that
2:12:48
Speaker 3: all of those people sit at the King Arthur's round
2:12:52
Speaker 3: table and they say, we are not going to tamper.
2:12:54
Speaker 3: It's an absolute zero sum game for us. We're not
2:12:57
Speaker 3: doing it. No tampering allowed. You will not talk, to
2:13:01
Speaker 3: interfere with, encourage anybody who signed with another program.
2:13:05
Speaker 2: Right now.
2:13:06
Speaker 3: None of it's going to happen in my program. And
2:13:08
Speaker 3: that is a hard line rule, all the way up
2:13:11
Speaker 3: and down my head coach, my GM, my athletic director,
2:13:15
Speaker 3: all the way down to the lowliest of the graduate assistance.
2:13:20
Speaker 3: Imagine you actually put that into practice in your program.
2:13:24
Speaker 2: You have the moral high ground.
2:13:26
Speaker 3: What else does it get you besides that, though, because
2:13:30
Speaker 3: I don't think it makes you. I don't think you
2:13:34
Speaker 3: can exist on a level playing field if that's your stance.
2:13:39
Speaker 3: I wish it weren't the case. I wish I was
2:13:41
Speaker 3: wrong about that. I don't think Morgan Scally is tampering
2:13:46
Speaker 3: with anybody. I think that people close to Utah Football,
2:13:52
Speaker 3: with his knowledge or without, are probably doing so.
2:13:55
Speaker 2: I don't think Kalani Satake is tampering with anybody.
2:14:00
Speaker 3: I have on pretty good authority that there are people
2:14:03
Speaker 3: close to that program, boosters whatever, who tamper fairly aggressively
2:14:08
Speaker 3: in favor of BYU football, right, and BYU.
2:14:13
Speaker 2: I'm not calling you out.
2:14:14
Speaker 3: You want to know why, because that's the world we
2:14:17
Speaker 3: live in, and it's that Tour de France thing. Like
2:14:20
Speaker 3: I said, do I want to be the only person
2:14:23
Speaker 3: in that peloton that don't that doesn't take EPO? Do
2:14:28
Speaker 3: I want to be the only person competing there who's
2:14:31
Speaker 3: totally clean, who's actually not taken any performance enhancing supplements
2:14:36
Speaker 3: at least And the answer is, you probably don't get
2:14:39
Speaker 3: to stay there if you're not doing it.
2:14:42
Speaker 4: It's a total conundrum. It sucks for everyone.
2:14:46
Speaker 3: And I love that Daboswiney called it out like you said, James,
2:14:50
Speaker 3: even with probably full knowledge of the fact that his
2:14:54
Speaker 3: books have some secrets in him too, there's skeletons in
2:14:58
Speaker 3: that closet. But he is just the guy who's just say,
2:15:00
Speaker 3: all right, it's gotten too bad and it's hurting me now,
2:15:03
Speaker 3: so I need to call it out.
2:15:04
Speaker 2: And most fans are like, yes, yes, yes, fix it.
2:15:08
Speaker 3: And I think most of the people, the powers that be,
2:15:12
Speaker 3: the influential coaches in college football are gonna be like
2:15:15
Speaker 3: don't try to fix it. Don't try to fix it,
2:15:17
Speaker 3: because we're never gonna be able to stop, and all
2:15:20
Speaker 3: of us might be out of jobs.
2:15:23
Speaker 4: I mean, at some at some point, this is what
2:15:26
Speaker 4: we did with the nil stuff, right. College football was
2:15:31
Speaker 4: forced to look at the fact that, hey, you know,
2:15:35
Speaker 4: the SEC they keep winning, all these national championships, all
2:15:39
Speaker 4: these guys in the South keep winning.
2:15:43
Speaker 2: We need to level this playing field a little bit.
2:15:45
Speaker 3: And everyone just kind of bit the bullet and said, fine,
2:15:47
Speaker 3: we'll all pay players now. All of us are gonna
2:15:50
Speaker 3: pay players now. And what has it done. It has
2:15:53
Speaker 3: leveled the playing field. There are now teams that didn't
2:15:56
Speaker 3: used to be in this conversation that are in this conversation.
2:15:59
Speaker 3: And I'm not just talking about the national championship conversation.
2:16:02
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the fact that like Vanderbilt was in
2:16:06
Speaker 3: college football playoff discussion this year, and.
2:16:08
Speaker 2: BYU and Utah were right there, and like.
2:16:12
Speaker 3: It did in some ways stop the the scales from
2:16:16
Speaker 3: tipping so aggressively towards the South. But now that there's
2:16:20
Speaker 3: people in the South who don't like the way that
2:16:22
Speaker 3: it's going, it's really funny to see the reaction, and
2:16:25
Speaker 3: it is and I was gonna say it's perfect segue.
2:16:29
Speaker 3: Nick Saban sounds the way that Dabosini Davos Twinny sounds
2:16:33
Speaker 3: about this stuff. When Nick Saban now he's conveniently enough
2:16:37
Speaker 3: he's retired, so he's he can feel like he can
2:16:40
Speaker 3: say whatever he wants, more than more so than he
2:16:42
Speaker 3: did when he was at Alabama head coach, when he
2:16:44
Speaker 3: really probably felt like he could say whatever he wanted too.
2:16:49
Speaker 3: He's saying like Dabo is sounding like like Nick Saban,
2:16:55
Speaker 3: Nicks Nick saying, well, no one would go to the
2:16:58
Speaker 3: no one go from the South, would ever go north
2:17:01
Speaker 3: without paying him. So Nil has helped, has helped the
2:17:05
Speaker 3: Big Ten for that reason. It's like and like Nick
2:17:10
Speaker 3: would say something like Davo has said, well fully well,
2:17:15
Speaker 3: full well knowing that pre Nil era, his program was
2:17:18
Speaker 3: paying players, like it's he's I'm glad you brought up
2:17:23
Speaker 3: Davo's resume. Is the reason why he feels like he
2:17:26
Speaker 3: can talk this way because we saw Nick Saban talking
2:17:29
Speaker 3: this way even when he was nowhere near clean.
2:17:31
Speaker 4: And by the way, Nick Saban, like Shane Gillis, one
2:17:34
Speaker 4: of my favorite comedians. Shane Gillis was on the game
2:17:37
Speaker 4: day set for a Notre Dame game last season or whatever,
2:17:40
Speaker 4: and he was cracking jokes to Nick Saban's face about
2:17:43
Speaker 4: the fact that Alabama paid players. Yeah, and Nick Saban
2:17:46
Speaker 4: got real up at arms about it, like, didn't laugh
2:17:50
Speaker 4: it off, wasn't cool about it, and everyone just like,
2:17:53
Speaker 4: come on, man, now it's Nick Saban, and everyone has
2:17:56
Speaker 4: an immense amount of respect for him, which they should.
2:17:58
Speaker 3: He's one of the greatest coaches, if not the greatest
2:18:01
Speaker 3: coach in.
2:18:01
Speaker 2: History college football. But there wasn't enough pushback.
2:18:06
Speaker 3: Like, are you really pretending that there were not paid
2:18:08
Speaker 3: players on your Alabama rosters?
2:18:10
Speaker 2: Are you really not like you're really gonna pretend that's
2:18:14
Speaker 2: not the case.
2:18:14
Speaker 3: You can't be hurt by it anymore. Coach, you're not coaching.
2:18:17
Speaker 3: You can you can you can laugh at the jet least. Yeah,
2:18:21
Speaker 3: you don't have to admit that it. You don't have
2:18:23
Speaker 3: to say, yeah, that happened, but you can at least
2:18:26
Speaker 3: have some fun with with a comedian who's cracking jokes
2:18:30
Speaker 3: at your expense, like that's that's what comedians do.
2:18:33
Speaker 2: No it.
2:18:34
Speaker 3: The other the other thing about it is there's no
2:18:36
Speaker 3: reason for us to have less respect for Nick Saban.
2:18:40
Speaker 3: There's no reason to have less respect for Davi with Swiney,
2:18:42
Speaker 3: no reason to have less respect for your favorite football
2:18:46
Speaker 3: coach if you know that someone in the program who's
2:18:52
Speaker 3: under their supervision is breaking rules, like that's just that's
2:18:57
Speaker 3: the game.
2:19:00
Speaker 2: All right, We're way over time. We got to take
2:19:03
Speaker 2: a break.
2:19:03
Speaker 3: Here.
2:19:06
Speaker 4: Did the Broncos fall victim to hashtag analytics? We'll discuss
2:19:10
Speaker 4: on the other side.
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Speaker 3: It's ESPN seven hundred ninety two NFM.
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Speaker 1: You were listening to the Sean O'Connell Show from the
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Speaker 1: Murdoch Hyundai studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety two
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Speaker 1: to one, A.
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Speaker 9: F am analytics baby, I put.
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Speaker 2: A poll question off. I want you to go respond.
2:19:46
Speaker 3: The fourth and one at your opponents fifteen.
2:19:52
Speaker 2: You're up seven zero. It's only the second quarter.
2:19:56
Speaker 3: But you probably even with your film study, not knowing
2:19:59
Speaker 3: that the bad web was going to settle in, maybe not.
2:20:02
Speaker 4: As aggressively as it eventually did. But do you take
2:20:06
Speaker 4: the points to kick the field goal? Or do you
2:20:09
Speaker 4: go for it with a run play like Sean Payton
2:20:12
Speaker 4: or initially planned on doing, or do you.
2:20:14
Speaker 2: Go for it with your backup quarterback rolling out to
2:20:17
Speaker 2: pass hashtag analytics. This is purely a Broncos question.
2:20:25
Speaker 3: It is in no way related to the Holy War
2:20:28
Speaker 3: or the field goal or not field goal decisions that
2:20:31
Speaker 3: were made in that game.
2:20:32
Speaker 2: If you're making connections to that, that's you making connections.
2:20:35
Speaker 2: That's all you.
2:20:36
Speaker 4: That's not me suggesting that that's you. No, the Denver
2:20:40
Speaker 4: Broncos could have kicked the field goal to.
2:20:42
Speaker 3: Go up ten zero. I understand the desire to go
2:20:45
Speaker 3: up fourteen zero, obviously.
2:20:48
Speaker 4: But you're you're in a fourth and one situation against
2:20:51
Speaker 4: a team you have a hard time blocking with your
2:20:55
Speaker 4: backup quarterback.
2:20:56
Speaker 2: Who we talked about it last week.
2:20:59
Speaker 3: Nobody ever gave the fact that you were dealing with
2:21:03
Speaker 3: with Jared's Didham enough credit.
2:21:06
Speaker 4: Everyone lived in denial. Everyone was living in denial. Did
2:21:09
Speaker 4: he play well?
2:21:10
Speaker 2: Yeah? Was he as good as bo Nicks would have been?
2:21:13
Speaker 3: No, that forty fifty yard pass he had on the
2:21:17
Speaker 3: second drive of the game, I'm like, okay, not bad
2:21:19
Speaker 3: for your second past second depleted passed since January four. Yeah,
2:21:27
Speaker 3: he did play better than I expected him to. But
2:21:30
Speaker 3: I here they picked the Sean Payton, Jared'stidham? Whoever was that?
2:21:37
Speaker 3: That is at fault for audibling out of the run play,
2:21:43
Speaker 3: they picked the worst of the three of the three
2:21:45
Speaker 3: options to have him roll out and pass one yard,
2:21:49
Speaker 3: hand the ball off. If you're gonna go for it,
2:21:52
Speaker 3: I don't mind them going for it in that situation
2:21:55
Speaker 3: because we see that all the time in the NFL.
2:21:58
Speaker 3: It's only one yard. It's not like it was fourth
2:22:00
Speaker 3: and six. They're like, we wouldn't touchdown or bus this drive.
2:22:04
Speaker 3: It's not a fourth and four even is fourth and one.
2:22:07
Speaker 3: Just don't do a pass play there. By the way,
2:22:10
Speaker 3: if you are in the NFL and you're in a
2:22:14
Speaker 3: fourth and short situation and you do not have some
2:22:19
Speaker 3: bastardized version of the tush push to try to run yourself,
2:22:23
Speaker 3: that's a failure by you as a staff. The tush
2:22:28
Speaker 3: push has worked so well for everyone who's tried it,
2:22:31
Speaker 3: and even for the teams that have copied it poorly,
2:22:35
Speaker 3: it's usually good enough for like a half yard to
2:22:37
Speaker 3: a yard.
2:22:39
Speaker 2: And Stidham is one of those.
2:22:41
Speaker 3: He's a big, strong dude, tall strong quarterbacks that you
2:22:45
Speaker 3: could have him just reach his whole body out there
2:22:48
Speaker 3: and get a yard.
2:22:49
Speaker 4: I guess what, Sean Payton, Because you're smarter than all
2:22:51
Speaker 4: of us line up and make it look like you're
2:22:54
Speaker 4: doing the tush push, so everyone does that defensive pincher
2:22:57
Speaker 4: movement to try to stop the middle of the scrum
2:23:00
Speaker 4: and then rolled him out, or then just have him
2:23:03
Speaker 4: do what Justin Herbert does where all quarterbacks sneak. No,
2:23:07
Speaker 4: I'm going off tackle instead. I'm finding like the path
2:23:10
Speaker 4: of least resistance. That with Josh Allen too.
2:23:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the They just chose the worst of the
2:23:17
Speaker 3: three options.
2:23:17
Speaker 2: I don't mind the idea.
2:23:19
Speaker 3: If if you're a take the points guy in this poll,
2:23:23
Speaker 3: I don't mind that. I think either it's either that
2:23:28
Speaker 3: decision or run the ball. You don't you don't roll
2:23:32
Speaker 3: out and do a pass play in that situation where
2:23:34
Speaker 3: you only have one yard to get and you have
2:23:36
Speaker 3: your backup quarterback who hasn't thrown a pass, not hasn't
2:23:39
Speaker 3: completed a pass, hasn't thrown a pass in two seasons.
2:23:43
Speaker 3: Until that came, he had thrown what was that eight
2:23:47
Speaker 3: passes in eight to ten passes into his into his
2:23:50
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five season, after not throwing a single one
2:23:54
Speaker 3: in two years.
2:23:55
Speaker 2: Look, run the ball.
2:23:56
Speaker 3: It's you absolutely if you have bo Nicks there or
2:24:00
Speaker 3: you have Josh Allen.
2:24:02
Speaker 4: There, you have Lamar Jackson. There, you have Jalen Hurts.
2:24:04
Speaker 4: There you have somebody who's a regular, full time starter
2:24:08
Speaker 4: with some athleticism.
2:24:10
Speaker 2: The high percentage.
2:24:11
Speaker 3: Play is to give your quarterback options, right, Sure, Jared
2:24:16
Speaker 3: Stidham is athletic, and I'm sure he's as highly thought
2:24:19
Speaker 3: of as a backup quarterback can be thought of.
2:24:22
Speaker 2: He's paid like that.
2:24:25
Speaker 4: You outsmarted yourself, Sean Payton, and that sucks for everyone
2:24:30
Speaker 4: who was wanting to see Denver move on to a
2:24:33
Speaker 4: Super Bowl, including Garrett Bowles. You're Walter Payton, Man of
2:24:36
Speaker 4: the Year who now is never going to get to
2:24:38
Speaker 4: a Super Bowl.
2:24:40
Speaker 3: Oh you don't think You don't think the Broncos are
2:24:42
Speaker 3: going to be back with Nope, They're gonna stink next year.
2:24:45
Speaker 3: All right, Broncos hater coming out again. Weirdly, you were
2:24:51
Speaker 3: one of the people that really wanted, well not really wanted,
2:24:54
Speaker 3: but wanted to see the Broncos.
2:24:56
Speaker 4: I didn't want to see the Broncos, Yeah I want
2:24:58
Speaker 4: I wanted to see the Broncos win that game because
2:25:00
Speaker 4: it's a lesser of evils, not as intolerable as the Patriots.
2:25:05
Speaker 4: I have dear friends who care about the Broncos. There's
2:25:08
Speaker 4: a lot of utes on the Broncos. The Patriots there's
2:25:12
Speaker 4: not as many.
2:25:13
Speaker 3: It's interesting where we found where you in particular found
2:25:17
Speaker 3: yourself with the NFT Championship game because both rivals, right,
2:25:21
Speaker 3: but the Seahawks are the bigger of the rival. And
2:25:25
Speaker 3: you have friends like Eric Weddle, who good.
2:25:28
Speaker 2: Things happened for people. I know what they're like.
2:25:30
Speaker 4: Bobby Wagner played for the Rams and had a good
2:25:33
Speaker 4: time there. Eric Weddle obviously won a Super Bowl there.
2:25:36
Speaker 2: Wagner Seahawks legend too though. Yeah, but he was like
2:25:42
Speaker 2: a mercenary for the Rams. Yeah, yeah, you know.
2:25:47
Speaker 3: By the way, Bobby Wagner is somewhat quietly on his
2:25:53
Speaker 3: way to being the best player ever to have played
2:25:57
Speaker 3: at one of the in state universities, best NFL player,
2:26:02
Speaker 3: Like he's putting himself in the conversation with Merlin Olsen,
2:26:08
Speaker 3: he was an All pro again.
2:26:10
Speaker 2: It's so good man. He is so good.
2:26:12
Speaker 3: And even though even though he watches movies on airplanes
2:26:17
Speaker 3: without sound, peeking over, sneakily peeking over the person next
2:26:21
Speaker 3: to him, je all because all because he didn't want
2:26:26
Speaker 3: to ask the flight attendant for headphones. He didn't know
2:26:29
Speaker 3: if he didn't know if he could they they had
2:26:32
Speaker 3: already asked. I didn't know. I I thought it was
2:26:34
Speaker 3: too late. Yes, they're there to help you. Check out
2:26:37
Speaker 3: that video. By the way, Bobby Wagner watching The Martian.
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Speaker 2: We talked about this.
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Speaker 4: It was not really a sporting event, but it was
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Speaker 4: solo climb of the Taipei one oh one tower, and
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Speaker 4: it's reported he made how much money to do that?
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Speaker 2: Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred.
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Speaker 4: To risk his life climbing for your entertainment with no ropes,
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Speaker 4: harnesses or safety equipment at all except for the chalk
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Speaker 4: bag hanging off his belt, and he made how much money?
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Speaker 4: According to what we talked about earlier in the reports
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Speaker 4: eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred. Spence
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Speaker 10: I love how Alex said he would have done it
2:28:44
Speaker 10: for free. Did you like he talked about the negotiations.
2:28:47
Speaker 10: He's like, I didn't really, I would have just done it,
2:28:50
Speaker 10: And Netflix was going to get somebody else to do
2:28:53
Speaker 10: it because he's not the you know he's but he's
2:28:56
Speaker 10: like the most well known guy, which is why they
2:28:57
Speaker 10: wanted him.
2:28:58
Speaker 2: To do it.
2:28:59
Speaker 10: He got up to the top, he looks around, he's
2:29:01
Speaker 10: like sick guys that have that ability. It is wild.
2:29:06
Speaker 10: I mean you and I were talking about this last week.
2:29:07
Speaker 10: If you are a healthy male over the age of
2:29:11
Speaker 10: forty and you actually make a decent living, don't even
2:29:13
Speaker 10: get on a ladder climbed up a tower, let alone
2:29:16
Speaker 10: climbing up a tower. Yeah. Should I film? I told
2:29:19
Speaker 10: you I've been approached with an offer. Yes, maybe we
2:29:23
Speaker 10: could open up to the phone lines. We will not
2:29:25
Speaker 10: do that. Pitbull as your reference is coming. Yeah, our
2:29:29
Speaker 10: good buddy, Trent, good guy to know. My guy has
2:29:32
Speaker 10: put it out there for me to film a video
2:29:34
Speaker 10: for social media addressed as pit Bull to promote the
2:29:37
Speaker 10: pit Bull Show.
2:29:38
Speaker 2: Should I do that? Absolutely?
2:29:40
Speaker 10: Yes, I feel like I should not. I have to
2:29:42
Speaker 10: put on like the bald cap cap yeah the whole time,
2:29:46
Speaker 10: Yes you should. I feel like you're being a bad
2:29:47
Speaker 10: friend and giving me bad advice.
2:29:49
Speaker 3: Oh I'm not spence as long as you say playoffs
2:29:53
Speaker 3: over and over again in the pit bull voice.
2:29:56
Speaker 2: Yes, do it.
2:29:57
Speaker 10: James is trolling me now because he knows that's where
2:30:00
Speaker 10: the pitbull annoyance started.
2:30:03
Speaker 2: NBA Playoffs. I don't know if you remember this. It
2:30:05
Speaker 2: was like, I don't know, five or six years ago.
2:30:07
Speaker 10: He and Kesha, who also is no talent all you know,
2:30:11
Speaker 10: all the things they did that playoff song, and I
2:30:14
Speaker 10: think it was for ESPN, and that was when the
2:30:18
Speaker 10: Jazz were good. So I'm aggressively watching playoff basketball every
2:30:22
Speaker 10: night and at every commercial break I had to listen
2:30:25
Speaker 10: to that little playoffs.
2:30:27
Speaker 2: Oh playoffs, baby.
2:30:29
Speaker 6: I hate.
2:30:29
Speaker 10: That's that's where my pit bull disdaining began and it
2:30:32
Speaker 10: continues to this day.
2:30:33
Speaker 4: Yet and still you should dress up as pitbull. Film
2:30:38
Speaker 4: the thing, take a photo, put it on your tender
2:30:42
Speaker 4: profile or whatever's out there.
2:30:44
Speaker 2: Does that still work? I have no idea. Well, we
2:30:48
Speaker 2: have to look. Before the show. I didn't know Tinder
2:30:50
Speaker 2: was still out there.
2:30:50
Speaker 3: I assume that it's one of those things like Craigslist
2:30:55
Speaker 3: that'll just never die.
2:30:57
Speaker 2: I'll I'll do some recon research.
2:30:59
Speaker 10: I'll let you know I'm in that space.
2:31:01
Speaker 2: I don't know.
2:31:01
Speaker 10: Well, for Trent, I might Trent. Trent's a guy we
2:31:05
Speaker 10: all want on our side, any good people.
2:31:09
Speaker 3: I know you're excited about Seahawks Pats well as a
2:31:14
Speaker 3: Jets fan, like it's kind of Sophie's choice, but it's
2:31:17
Speaker 3: not because I'm anybody anybody outside of the Pats.
2:31:21
Speaker 2: The Sam Darnold story is very cool.
2:31:23
Speaker 10: Yeah, and Sam is the only quarterback the Jets have
2:31:25
Speaker 10: drafted in the past forever that actually thought had something.
2:31:30
Speaker 10: So I'll be pulling for Seattle, but grudgingly I like
2:31:34
Speaker 10: the city. I like Seattle far more than I like Boston,
2:31:37
Speaker 10: and quite frankly, anybody besides you do, I cannot and
2:31:41
Speaker 10: I'm not prepared, by the way for another generation of
2:31:44
Speaker 10: the Patriots being awesome, because they're about to be for
2:31:47
Speaker 10: a long time. Drake May is awesome for Abel's a
2:31:50
Speaker 10: great coach. And there are four teams in the NFL
2:31:53
Speaker 10: that have never been in the Super Bowl. This is
2:31:55
Speaker 10: Robert Kraft's eleven eleventh, and hopefully for him, he'll have
2:31:59
Speaker 10: a happy end. This time, there's eleven the super Bowl
2:32:02
Speaker 10: and they win. You know, four teams have never been
2:32:06
Speaker 10: to a super Bowl, Robert Kraft eleven. Yeah, And I'm
2:32:09
Speaker 10: not prepared for another fifteen year run where they have
2:32:12
Speaker 10: something to say about the super Bowl every year, because
2:32:13
Speaker 10: I think that's what we're about to embark upon.
2:32:15
Speaker 2: I don't like that. I don't like that anymore than
2:32:18
Speaker 2: you like it.
2:32:18
Speaker 3: I don't like that the super Bowl window appears to
2:32:21
Speaker 3: have shut on my San Francisco forty nine ers.
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Speaker 4: Whoa really, what makes you think it's still open? Trent
2:32:28
Speaker 4: Williams is aging Christian McCaffrey.
2:32:33
Speaker 3: The wheels fall off of running backs earlier than everyone else,
2:32:36
Speaker 3: so at some point.
2:32:37
Speaker 2: You think it's shut.
2:32:38
Speaker 4: Well, I think that they were propping it open with
2:32:41
Speaker 4: like some little sticks of bamboo this year, and I
2:32:44
Speaker 4: think that not making it. You know, the injuries piling up.
2:32:48
Speaker 4: If they move the practice facility, maybe we'll talk.
2:32:52
Speaker 10: That that's the thing. That's that's okay, that's the issue. Then, okay.
2:32:56
Speaker 10: I'm a fan of the New York Jets, Sean, so
2:32:58
Speaker 10: you can calm down there.
2:33:00
Speaker 3: I would much rather be a Niners fan than a
2:33:02
Speaker 3: Jets fan. I'm gonna I'm putting out a pole question
2:33:05
Speaker 3: because you just mentioned the cities themselves, not the teams.
2:33:11
Speaker 3: Which is a cooler city, Seattle or Boston. I want
2:33:13
Speaker 3: to see what the Salt Lake response to that is.
2:33:17
Speaker 10: Well, it's Seattle by far. Boston good not great city.
2:33:21
Speaker 2: I've been.
2:33:22
Speaker 10: We lived in Belmont when I was a kid. My
2:33:24
Speaker 10: brother and sister and law I lived there for a decade.
2:33:26
Speaker 10: You can find a lot of good food in Boston.
2:33:29
Speaker 10: You know, there's some really cool places to shop in
2:33:32
Speaker 10: some historic spots as well. Like if you've never been
2:33:34
Speaker 10: to Boston, you should go to Boston. Seattle is way
2:33:37
Speaker 10: better city than Boston. In one man's opinion over here.
2:33:41
Speaker 4: I think that Seattle from a just like a city
2:33:44
Speaker 4: to visit standpoint, I think that Seattle has leap frog
2:33:47
Speaker 4: San Francisco. For me, San Francisco grew up growing up
2:33:51
Speaker 4: that that's the goat. The Bay Area in general is
2:33:55
Speaker 4: America's greatest metropolis.
2:33:57
Speaker 10: Always had great experiences there. Yeah, been in a while though.
2:34:00
Speaker 2: But it's a little bit like the San Francisco now.
2:34:03
Speaker 10: Is Liken't I haven't been in like a decade, but
2:34:06
Speaker 10: every time I've been in San Francisco or the Bay Area,
2:34:08
Speaker 10: I very much enjoyed it. But I've always loved Seattle.
2:34:11
Speaker 10: I haven't been in a while, but I've always had
2:34:13
Speaker 10: a good time up there. And again, just the Patriots man.
2:34:17
Speaker 10: Boston as a city does not deserve the run of
2:34:20
Speaker 10: success it's had with its sports teams.
2:34:23
Speaker 3: One fun experience you can have if you ever do
2:34:26
Speaker 3: make it to Boston. I don't know, I don't remember
2:34:28
Speaker 3: what they call their subway. I'm sure it has its
2:34:31
Speaker 3: own You need the tea, so what it's called the tea.
2:34:36
Speaker 3: Just get on there and ride around and listen to
2:34:39
Speaker 3: people talking in movie character accents.
2:34:42
Speaker 10: See but it's the worst accent, the Boston accent. No way, dude,
2:34:47
Speaker 10: burst in the Boston accent. Go to your car, go
2:34:52
Speaker 10: pocke your car.
2:34:54
Speaker 2: I don't think that's very accurate. It's there, It's extremely accurate.
2:34:58
Speaker 10: The Boston accent is the The Boston accent is the
2:35:01
Speaker 10: worst accent in the world, not the country, the world.
2:35:05
Speaker 4: The first time I fought in Boston for the UFC,
2:35:08
Speaker 4: I was like our hotel was far away from from
2:35:12
Speaker 4: the TD Garden and I have a thing where I
2:35:14
Speaker 4: want to go see the place anyway.
2:35:17
Speaker 2: Tell you as you should. I hoped. I hopped on
2:35:19
Speaker 2: the tea. Thank you, James hopped on the tea.
2:35:22
Speaker 3: I got on and I was riding it into the
2:35:24
Speaker 3: city in order to do my walk around of the gardens. Yeah,
2:35:29
Speaker 3: and I just happened to be sitting in the same
2:35:33
Speaker 3: subway car as a couple of guys that were from Quincy,
2:35:37
Speaker 3: and they would talk about and it was the funniest thing.
2:35:39
Speaker 3: It was like I was looking around to see if
2:35:41
Speaker 3: I was being punked. They were talking about somebody on
2:35:43
Speaker 3: parole and getting off parole, and I was like, this
2:35:46
Speaker 3: is amazing. Yeah, I just dropped myself into a scene
2:35:50
Speaker 3: from that Mickey Ward movie The Fighter.
2:35:52
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:35:52
Speaker 10: And when when it's like two Bostonians, they lean into it,
2:35:55
Speaker 10: so it's even more accentuated, you know what I mean.
2:35:58
Speaker 10: It's just look, obviously, I'm a New York sports fan,
2:36:02
Speaker 10: and I'm biased towards New York City, and Boston will
2:36:05
Speaker 10: never be the city that New York is. But New
2:36:07
Speaker 10: York sports teams have not nearly achieved what Boston sports
2:36:12
Speaker 10: teams happen a long long time, and it makes me upset.
2:36:15
Speaker 10: But you're a Niners fan. Who I mean again Sophie's choice,
2:36:18
Speaker 10: But who you're going with?
2:36:19
Speaker 4: I literally don't know because I cannot stand the idea
2:36:24
Speaker 4: of Seattle winning another one.
2:36:25
Speaker 2: I do like the redemption arc for Sam Darnold.
2:36:29
Speaker 4: I like the idea of Connor O'Toole, who had a
2:36:32
Speaker 4: rough college go at the University of Utah, getting a
2:36:34
Speaker 4: Super Bowl ring Rashid Shiheed, the Weaver.
2:36:36
Speaker 2: State guy who's had such an incredible year.
2:36:39
Speaker 4: I like the idea of them winning a championship, but
2:36:41
Speaker 4: I don't want Seattle to get one.
2:36:43
Speaker 2: What is uh?
2:36:45
Speaker 10: There's a BYU defensive lineman who plays for New England, right,
2:36:48
Speaker 10: Kiris Tongue.
2:36:49
Speaker 2: Isn't Kiros Tongue on the Patriots roster? I don't is?
2:36:52
Speaker 10: Is he the only local tie on the Patriots roster?
2:36:56
Speaker 10: And I'm quite sure he is still on the team.
2:37:00
Speaker 10: But I guess as far as region's going again, I
2:37:03
Speaker 10: just I will never cheer for the Patriots to win anything.
2:37:06
Speaker 10: Christian Ellis Christian Elis, of course did not play at
2:37:09
Speaker 10: the University of Utah, but is Jonah's brother and Luther's
2:37:14
Speaker 10: kid is on the Patriots, so he's kind of a
2:37:16
Speaker 10: loose local connection.
2:37:17
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:37:17
Speaker 10: The more difficult thing now is I do find this
2:37:20
Speaker 10: version of the Patriots much more likable that like Belichick,
2:37:26
Speaker 10: he was impossible the stomach. Brady, for all of his greatness,
2:37:29
Speaker 10: was a goob and is still a goop. You can
2:37:31
Speaker 10: tell me Tom Brady like, tell me Tom Brady is great.
2:37:34
Speaker 2: That's fine.
2:37:35
Speaker 10: Don't tell me he's cool. I will can see that
2:37:37
Speaker 10: Tom Brady is awesome, but don't try to tell me
2:37:39
Speaker 10: he's cool. It was so easy to dislike the Patriots
2:37:42
Speaker 10: with Belichick and Brady. It's really hard to dislike Mike
2:37:45
Speaker 10: Vrabel awesome coach. Seems like Drake may is great. Like
2:37:49
Speaker 10: this is a much more likable version of the Patriots
2:37:51
Speaker 10: than the Brady Belichick version.
2:37:52
Speaker 4: I'm glad we came to the conclusion that I don't
2:37:56
Speaker 4: really even want to root for anyone to win the
2:37:58
Speaker 4: Super Bowl. Well, stay tuned for the Drive and Spence
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Speaker 4: check its. Thanks for listening to The Sean O'Connell Show.
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