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#1756 Taming Your Toxic Load - Dr Marc Cohen · The You Project

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Speaker 1: I'll get a team. It's bloody Harps and Tiff talking over.
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Speaker 2: The top of me.
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Speaker 1: What's you just another day, Just a monday, Just a Monday,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Mark Cowen, who was recently on the show, and
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Speaker 1: you all went, oh god, he's good, get him back.
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Speaker 1: And but of course we're not recording two episodes in
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Speaker 1: one day. We're definitely not doing that because that would
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Speaker 1: be deceptive height tiv.
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Speaker 2: He is good, though, isn't he? He is good?
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Speaker 1: What do you like about him? What do you like
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Speaker 1: about the good doc? While he's sitting in the top
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Speaker 1: left square on my.
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Speaker 3: Screen, I just like how different, you know, like down
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Speaker 3: to earth but smart and I don't know, there's just
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Speaker 3: such breadth to everything that he talks about.
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Speaker 1: He's not too fancy. He's like an academic ug boot.
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Speaker 1: You know, he's just comfortable, the academic ug boot.
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Speaker 2: He's like an academic ugboot. You can just slip into him.
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Speaker 1: It's just bloody comfy and he makes you feel warm.
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Speaker 4: You know.
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Speaker 1: He's familiar and a bit wooly. I'm not sure what
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Speaker 1: that last bit means. I'm not sure that last bit.
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Speaker 1: Good mate, welcome back to the show.
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Speaker 2: How are you? I'm going to use that on my bio.
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Speaker 2: I've been you can just the academic ug boot. That's it.
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Speaker 1: You're welcome as long as you put a tiny little
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Speaker 1: asterisk with a ch next to it. Yeah yeah, copyright mate.
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Speaker 1: Last time you were here I introed you when we
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Speaker 1: spoke about this kind of mission statement that's on your website.
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Speaker 1: I just repeat it, Ibridge advanced science and ancient wisdom
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Speaker 1: and offer simple, practical solutions that help you. And there
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Speaker 1: was five key things. One finder fun to make sense
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Speaker 1: of life. Three master your mind and body for tame
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Speaker 1: your toxic load. I'm interested in that, and five live, happy,
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Speaker 1: healthy and long. So we've done the first two. We're
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Speaker 1: going to lean into the last three. Number three is
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Speaker 1: mastering your mind and body. And of course, for those
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Speaker 1: who didn't hear the first one, have a listen and
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Speaker 1: then come back to this or vice versa. But the
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Speaker 1: doc is not only a medical doctor, but he's also
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Speaker 1: got a PhD in Chinese medicine and engineering electrical and
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Speaker 1: computer systems engineering, so you know, it's a little bit
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Speaker 1: other than that fuck, although I mean really other than that.
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Speaker 4: Nothing. He's a dumb ass, but look he comes cheap,
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Speaker 4: so here he is, So let's talk about See no
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Speaker 4: one else says that to you on a podcast. Bro,
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Speaker 4: Let's talk about number three, which is mastering your mind
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Speaker 4: and body.
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Speaker 5: When I saw mastering, I'm like, he's mastering a good
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Speaker 5: goal or is perhaps coexisting harmoniously with my mind a
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Speaker 5: better goal or a better I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Can we master our mind?
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Speaker 3: I think we can absolutely All right, let me go,
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Speaker 3: I'm pack it well. I think the mind is a
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Speaker 3: great servant but a terrible master. When your mind masters you,
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Speaker 3: then you know, you end up with mental health issues
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Speaker 3: because you can second guess yourself, you overthink.
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Speaker 2: So I think you need to master your mind rather
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Speaker 2: than having your mind control your life.
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Speaker 3: And the same with your body. You need to be
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Speaker 3: the master of your body. And and whether it's how
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Speaker 3: you move or what you eat, or the joy that
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Speaker 3: you get from your body is it's one of the
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Speaker 3: great you know, the great things we do in while
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Speaker 3: we're alive is we have this body and we live
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Speaker 3: in the world. So I think we do need to
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Speaker 3: master our mind and body, and not that we have
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Speaker 3: a mind. We are not our mind. We have a body,
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Speaker 3: we are not our body. So it then gives you
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Speaker 3: this meta level to live through.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this which my listeners hate me talking about metacognition
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Speaker 1: and that better awareness and met it. My PhD is
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Speaker 1: met e perception trying to understand how others see you
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Speaker 1: all that.
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Speaker 2: That's like, the funny thing about.
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Speaker 1: Trying to master your mind is you've kind of got
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Speaker 1: to understand your mind to master it. And then how
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Speaker 1: do you understand your mind when the tool that you're
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Speaker 1: analyzing your mind with is your mind? You know, it's
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Speaker 1: a mind fuck. It's like you're trying to the thing
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Speaker 1: you're trying to understand. You're looking at with the thing
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Speaker 1: that you're trying to understand.
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Speaker 3: So so my approach to that is trying to turn
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Speaker 3: your mind off. And one of the things to both
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Speaker 3: master your mind and body is, and I'll get a
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Speaker 3: bit esoteric and spiritual here, is to really get into
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Speaker 3: stillness by turning your mind off and actively doing nothing.
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Speaker 3: And you might you might think you're doing nothing. People,
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Speaker 3: what do you do on the weekend? I did nothing
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Speaker 3: on the couch watching epix? But doing nothing is actually
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Speaker 3: a spiritual indebt of it. And you might think you're
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Speaker 3: doing nothing, but there's always less you can do. Wow,
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Speaker 3: if you look at these ancient practices. I mean the
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Speaker 3: practice of yoga was I mean yoga physical arsenal, you know,
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Speaker 3: yoga postures was really to cret a comfortable seat so
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Speaker 3: then you could meditate. And when you meditate, the aim
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Speaker 3: of meditation is to turn your mind off, so you're.
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Speaker 2: Actually not thinking. It's from that position of not.
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Speaker 3: Thinking and not and being comfortable still that you get
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Speaker 3: the greatest movement and activity. And that's also in a
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Speaker 3: lot of Eastern philosophies, whether it's martial arts, but also
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Speaker 3: in juggling in ballet, you get the greatest movement from
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Speaker 3: the stillest point. So your physical center of gravity is
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Speaker 3: just below your navel. They call it the dunti en
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Speaker 3: naval and the pubic bone.
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Speaker 2: And that's the point where if you shove a spear
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Speaker 2: through someone, they'll spin.
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Speaker 3: Or if you know, that's the point where a ballerina
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Speaker 3: will get held up, or an acrobat will spin around,
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Speaker 3: or a juggling point still so they can juggle all
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Speaker 3: the things in the air. That's the point where a
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Speaker 3: martial artist will move from to kick and punch and
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Speaker 3: be active. So have the greatest still point. It gives
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Speaker 3: you the ability to have the greatest resilience and the
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Speaker 3: greatest flexibility of movement.
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Speaker 2: So cultivating a still point, and that's.
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Speaker 3: Both in mind and body, that gives you that meta cognition,
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Speaker 3: that meta analysis of you know, when I'm in movement,
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Speaker 3: where am I moving from?
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Speaker 2: You know? Who are you when you're totally still?
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Speaker 3: And there's a lot of ways to get to that
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Speaker 3: still point, and I find that the best way to
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Speaker 3: get to the still point is actually through activity and
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Speaker 3: then come back to stillness. And again, I mean yoga
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Speaker 3: is a great example where you'll do a yoga class
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Speaker 3: and you'll stretch one way, you'll stretch the other way,
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Speaker 3: and then at the end of the class you'll do
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Speaker 3: a shavasena, the relaxation, the corpse pose, and you can
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Speaker 3: go into really deep stillness because you've exercised. If you
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Speaker 3: just went to the start of the class and did
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Speaker 3: that corpse pose and tried to still, you wouldn't get
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Speaker 3: that same stillness. So it's by having getting that activity
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Speaker 3: out of the way and go into the extremes of activity.
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Speaker 3: And again, and yoga you've got to be you don't
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Speaker 3: just stretch, you go to the extreme point of that stretch,
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Speaker 3: to the point where if you go a bit further,
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Speaker 3: you're going to hurt yourself. You have to stop yourself
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Speaker 3: and know what is your limit, and that physical limit.
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Speaker 3: Then once you know the edge, then you can find
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Speaker 3: the middle. And that that works with physical exertion, works
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Speaker 3: with hot and cold. You know, you go to a
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Speaker 3: saud in a nice ba. If you get to the
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Speaker 3: point where you're either so hot or so cold, you think, hey,
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Speaker 3: you know, I need to get out. Yes, and after
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Speaker 3: you've done that, and I see a lot of practices
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Speaker 3: don't talk about this, and I'm one of the ones
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Speaker 3: always emphasized you need to rest afterwards after you've done cold,
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Speaker 3: you know, and just doing hot or just doing cold
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Speaker 3: isn't as good as doing both. So do hot and
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Speaker 3: then cold. But then you rest, and because you've done
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Speaker 3: the hot and cold, your body can come back into homeostasis.
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Speaker 3: You know, that's a biological principle. Homeostasis is when you
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Speaker 3: know you have a constant internal environment where you can
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Speaker 3: have stillness in the midst of environmental activity and uncertainty.
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Speaker 2: So cultivating that helps you master your mind and body.
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Speaker 2: And there's a lot of ways.
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Speaker 3: You can master being still, but it's really setting aside
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Speaker 3: time to.
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Speaker 2: Actively do nothing.
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Speaker 3: And I find so many people in the modern world,
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Speaker 3: you know, they're always doing something. And now we've got
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Speaker 3: phones and people just doom scroll on their phones if
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Speaker 3: they're people don't be bored. When I was a kid,
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Speaker 3: you know, in the sixties and seventies, you know, there
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Speaker 3: were times when we were just bored and we just
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Speaker 3: had to be with ourselves, you know, looking up at
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Speaker 3: the sky and watching the clouds or whatever it was.
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Speaker 3: But cultivating that stillness is actually a really high level
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Speaker 3: of mastery, and that's confirmed in all my research into
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Speaker 3: ancient you know, meditation traditions and spiritual traditions and martial
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Speaker 3: arts traditions. Of cultivating that stillness gives you that mastery
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Speaker 3: of the both mind and body.
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Speaker 1: It's like being busy as a badge of honor these days,
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Speaker 1: you know, the busy badge.
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Speaker 2: How are you busy? What's going on? Busy?
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Speaker 1: Everyone's busy. It's like that's like scoring social branding points.
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Speaker 1: And if it's you don't want to say what are
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Speaker 1: you up to? Nothing? Because that's bad. You can't say nothing,
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Speaker 1: because that's that's a negative.
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Speaker 3: I like to you to extremes. I like to be
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Speaker 3: I mean, I love to be busy. I want to
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Speaker 3: be fully engaged and use my whole capacity. So you know,
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Speaker 3: we talked, I mean last time, we talked about having
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Speaker 3: a capacity that matches or having a challenge that matches
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Speaker 3: your capacity. That means if you're actually trying to deal
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Speaker 3: with everything, but alternating that.
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Speaker 2: With being just totally in the moment and doing nothing.
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Speaker 2: I think last time I also talked about what we're
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Speaker 2: talking about, being preser but also the future. Happened to
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Speaker 2: be content but also not happy, you know, trying to
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Speaker 2: change things. And it's this dialectic, this dilemma of being
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Speaker 2: really busy at times but also having other times when
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Speaker 2: you can just absolutely do nothing. And when I say
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Speaker 2: doing nothing, there's not just lying on the.
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Speaker 3: Couch just you know, yeah, it's like how little can
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Speaker 3: you do?
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Speaker 2: And going into that.
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Speaker 3: And there are practices, whether it's breathing practices or doing
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Speaker 3: hot and cold or yoga, where you can actually reduce
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Speaker 3: your heart rate, you can reduce your respiratory rate, you
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Speaker 3: can turn off your monkey mind, so you can actually
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Speaker 3: really get into physiologically doing nothing as well as mentally
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Speaker 3: and in terms of activity. And that's actually a really
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Speaker 3: deep practice and the more you can master that that,
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Speaker 3: the more you can actually do when you're busy, and
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Speaker 3: the more productive you're going to be when you're busy.
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Speaker 1: A friend of mine told me years ago, Doc, maybe
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Speaker 1: twenty years ago, twenty five, Tiff, could you do me
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Speaker 1: a favor and find out when the Power of Now
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Speaker 1: came out? I think it was maybe mid to late
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Speaker 1: nineties to read the Power of Now by Khattai, which
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Speaker 1: of course you know. And I remember I read about
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Speaker 1: five to ten pages. I'm like, this is fucking mumbo jumbo.
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Speaker 1: This is such bullshit, pseudo whatever, spiritual psycho babble. And
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Speaker 1: I put it away and I came back to it
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Speaker 1: about five years later, I don't know significant time later,
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Speaker 1: and I just picked it up again because so many
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Speaker 1: people had said, oh it's incredible. I'm like, I don't
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Speaker 1: give it another go. And I started reading it. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, this is brilliant. How long has this
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Speaker 1: been around? And it was funny, the same guy reading
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Speaker 1: the same words. But I was something had shifted in
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Speaker 1: me and the thing that didn't make any sense made
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Speaker 1: all the sense. So got an answer TIF ninety ninety seven,
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Speaker 1: ninety seven, Yeah, Yeah, yeah, so that's what's that twenty
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Speaker 1: seven years ago. But that idea, thank you, that idea
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Speaker 1: of like being the observer of your thoughts, like, you know,
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Speaker 1: the awareness of everything I'm not you know that I'm
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Speaker 1: like what what? Well, if I'm not my thoughts, who
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Speaker 1: is or what is the observer? Like what is the observer?
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Speaker 1: Where the fuck's he? Or is it a he? Maybe
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Speaker 1: it's not a he. Maybe it's just awareness.
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Speaker 3: Well, you can't actually be totally in the moment and
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Speaker 3: be thinking. Thinking is in the past or the future.
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Speaker 2: I've got a I've spent thirty eight years writing my
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Speaker 2: first poem I ever wrote.
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Speaker 3: It took thirty eight years to write and with a
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Speaker 3: very dense poem about Chinese cosmology, Western physics, thermodynamics, mindfulness.
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Speaker 3: And it's now a children's book called Bing and Bang Begin.
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Speaker 3: But there's a lining there. It goes through nothing, everything, something,
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Speaker 3: anything and thing, king and thinking.
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Speaker 2: There's a few lines there but says.
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Speaker 3: Thinking can never know, can actually never be in the now,
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Speaker 3: to just be in the moment.
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Speaker 2: Thinking doesn't know how over the past and the future.
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Speaker 3: Thinking has free reign, but the present is not part
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Speaker 3: of thinking's domain. Wow dilemma because when you're in the present,
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Speaker 3: you're not thinking. You're either in the moment or you're
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Speaker 3: active at doing nothing. And it's when you're thinking, it's
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Speaker 3: either you're thinking about something that's happened or something that
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Speaker 3: will happen. And this is this dilemma we keep on
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Speaker 3: coming back to, where how can we be fully present
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Speaker 3: in the moment but still have ambitions for the future
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Speaker 3: and still beforeward thinking. And I think totally he really
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Speaker 3: made ancient philosophy popular by bringing people back into the
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Speaker 3: moment because our society goes through this pendulum swing of
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Speaker 3: we have to be busy, we have to be engaged,
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Speaker 3: and that's that's how we rate ourselves of how busy
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Speaker 3: are we have, which money we're making, how much activity,
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Speaker 3: and what have we accomplished and not realizing that by
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Speaker 3: actively doing nothing and accomplishing nothing in that moment is
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Speaker 3: a great accomplishment.
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Speaker 2: M Yes, and.
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Speaker 1: Back to just quickly met a cognition is like starting
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Speaker 1: to become aware of your own thoughts and then getting
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Speaker 1: curious about your thoughts. Why do I think that, Why
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Speaker 1: is that that thing happened? And my story about the
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Speaker 1: thing is this? Where did that story about that thing
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Speaker 1: come from? And does that serve me or sabotage me.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's when you start healing back the layers of
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Speaker 2: who you are. One of the things actually that really
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Speaker 2: changed the trajectory of my life.
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Speaker 3: I was in thirty medicine ninety eighty four, I think
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Speaker 3: yea eighty four. I was in thirty medicine and we
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Speaker 3: had this lecture on primal therapy, which is when you
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Speaker 3: do a regression back to birth and you realize all
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Speaker 3: the you know, the birth trauma that you have and
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Speaker 3: for most people of earth.
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Speaker 2: Is traumatic, but how that actually affects your life?
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Speaker 3: And I came up with a model then, and actually
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Speaker 3: it was because of doing that that I did an
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Speaker 3: honest degree and that honestly we end up doing Chinese medicine,
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Speaker 3: and that set of a whole trajectory. But the idea
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Speaker 3: that when we have situations we can't deal with, especially
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Speaker 3: as an infant or as a child, that sort of
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Speaker 3: ossifies part of our sort of closes a system, and
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Speaker 3: we do that to protect ourselves, but then that closed
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Speaker 3: system dominates our thinking for the rest of our life
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Speaker 3: unless we unpack it. And that's when when you do
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Speaker 3: this metacognition, you're saying why do I think that? And
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Speaker 3: then you go back to a past trauma or a
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Speaker 3: past event that actually set your thinking in stone. And
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Speaker 3: when you can unpack that, you become more flexible and
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Speaker 3: it opens up unconscious. You can make unconscious processes more conscious.
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Speaker 3: That then gives you greater flexibility, because when you're dominated
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Speaker 3: by unconscious processes, you're rigid and you think you don't
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Speaker 3: have control over what's going on because it's not conscious.
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Speaker 3: So it's a process of I'm healing me young and
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Speaker 3: going back to why you're thinking that, what happened in
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Speaker 3: my life that made me do that.
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Speaker 2: And unpacking that with patience.
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Speaker 3: Often you'll talk to patients about when did you stop
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Speaker 3: enjoying life or what traumas did you have, and then
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Speaker 3: you can analyze that and realize that traumatic event really
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Speaker 3: set the whole trajectory that ended up as a physical illness.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really powerful. That metacognition is actually a really
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Speaker 2: powerful process.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very high level self awareness, you know, self reflection,
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Speaker 1: self awareness. All right, So we're not going to get
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Speaker 1: through all three, but that's all right. So last time
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Speaker 1: we did find the fun and make sense of life.
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Speaker 1: Today we're going to do, which we're just mastering your
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Speaker 1: mind and body. Let's talk about tame your toxic gload.
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Speaker 1: So what do you referring to when you say, I'm
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Speaker 1: sure it's not one thing, but many things.
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Speaker 2: What is toxic load?
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Speaker 3: So we have exposed to so much toxicity in the
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Speaker 3: I mean our body makes toxins, I mean metabolic waste
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Speaker 3: products and they have to excrete. So a lot of
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Speaker 3: our organs, you know, liver and kidneys and sweat, and
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Speaker 3: you know, we excreet toxicity. But there's and I break
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Speaker 3: everything to five and we can talk about that. But
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of toxicity we're exposed to with different
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Speaker 3: types of toxicity.
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Speaker 2: So that's a lot.
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Speaker 3: There's a lot of chemical toxicity, and that's in our
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Speaker 3: air and our water and our food, you know, in
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Speaker 3: our environment everywhere. There's electromagnetic radiation, there's biological toxicity mold
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Speaker 3: and all those sort of things.
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Speaker 2: There are different types of toxicity. Then there's the dose,
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Speaker 2: like how much do you get?
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Speaker 3: And in the last probably fifteen years, we've learnt a
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Speaker 3: lot about endocrine disruptors and how you can have very
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Speaker 3: small doses have.
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Speaker 2: Very large effects.
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Speaker 6: Live shalats, yeah, thalates and the whole range of endochondras
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Speaker 6: suffers a pfas and all the perfluorinated compounds and brominated
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Speaker 6: compounds and all the xeno estrogens, so you know, very
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Speaker 6: very small doses and even heavy metal with mercury and
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Speaker 6: things like that, a very small dose on lead can
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Speaker 6: have a very very big effect.
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Speaker 3: The type of toxicity, the dose, the timing of when
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Speaker 3: you're exposed. If you're exposed as an infant or a fetuses,
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Speaker 3: has a much more long lasting effect than if you're
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Speaker 3: exposed as an adult.
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Speaker 2: Then you have the combination, you know, the cocktails.
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Speaker 3: Because they when they look at toxicity in the lab,
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Speaker 3: they look at one chemical at a time. They don't
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Speaker 3: look at the chemical cocktails that we're exposed to. And
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Speaker 3: everyone has a unique exposure history based on where you're
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Speaker 3: born and what you eat, and you know who you
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Speaker 3: are and the environment where you live.
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Speaker 2: So that that mixture has an effect. And there's there's
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Speaker 2: something from nothing effect.
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Speaker 3: You can get two chemicals and individually they don't do
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Speaker 3: any any damage, but when you put them together they
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Speaker 3: actually do damage.
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Speaker 2: That's the something from nothing effect. And then finally there's luck.
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Speaker 3: And the luck of who are your parents, and what
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Speaker 3: are your genetics and where born and where do you
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Speaker 3: live and where have you traveled in your life because
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Speaker 3: there's environmental disasters and you know, industrial accidents and even
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Speaker 3: natural you know, toxic from you know, readular's radioactive elements
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Speaker 3: in the well in your water well or arsenic or
19:29
Speaker 3: whatever in the natural environment and the industry that you're
19:33
Speaker 3: living around all have into play into our toxic exposure.
19:39
Speaker 3: So you know, it's the type, the dose, the timing,
19:42
Speaker 3: the mixture and luck impact on our life. And that
19:47
Speaker 3: toxic load that we build up over our life has
19:50
Speaker 3: a huge influence on what disease we're going to get,
19:55
Speaker 3: how healthy we are, our capacity to enjoy life, and
20:01
Speaker 3: how long we're going to live.
20:03
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of things we can do to
20:04
Speaker 2: reduce those things.
20:06
Speaker 3: Through being conscious of our choices of you know, what
20:09
Speaker 3: we're going to eat. And I've done research. Two thousand
20:14
Speaker 3: and eight, I think we publish a study that showed
20:16
Speaker 3: just one week of eighty percent organic food will reduce
20:20
Speaker 3: your pesticide load by ninety percent.
20:23
Speaker 2: Wow.
20:23
Speaker 3: And that was all phosphate pesticides. And that's again of
20:26
Speaker 3: phosphate pesticides with a newer nobly. They're neurotoxins are based
20:30
Speaker 3: on nerve gas, but they replace the organo chlorine pesticides,
20:35
Speaker 3: which are that soluble.
20:36
Speaker 2: They're really hard to get rid of. But they're goano
20:39
Speaker 2: phosphate pesticides.
20:39
Speaker 3: They're more toxic, but they're water soluble, so eventually you
20:43
Speaker 3: pee them out. So if you struck put them in
20:45
Speaker 3: your body, after a week, ninety percent of them are gone.
20:50
Speaker 3: So that so there are ukn make choices to reduce
20:53
Speaker 3: your your toxic load and enhance excretion, so you drinking
20:59
Speaker 3: good water and sweating and using your body and having
21:06
Speaker 3: herbs that will stimulate your liver and your kidneys to
21:08
Speaker 3: excrete things.
21:09
Speaker 2: So there's a lot we can do to reduce that
21:11
Speaker 2: toxic load.
21:12
Speaker 3: And we talked about having those unconscious processes conscious and
21:17
Speaker 3: then you actually get more flexibility in your life when
21:19
Speaker 3: you reduce the toxicity in your body and your toxic load,
21:23
Speaker 3: your physiological unconscious activity becomes more responsive, so your mitochondria
21:30
Speaker 3: work better, you have more energy.
21:32
Speaker 2: You actually you get more enjoyment from life, and your.
21:36
Speaker 3: Pain levels go down, your disease levels go down, inflammation
21:39
Speaker 3: goes down.
21:40
Speaker 2: So toxicity is a major influence.
21:43
Speaker 3: And when I did a deep dive, and I've got
21:47
Speaker 3: lectures on this, and it's really depressing when you start
21:51
Speaker 3: researching it. It's really like I got depressed for quite
21:55
Speaker 3: a few years because I went I really researched all
21:58
Speaker 3: those different elements and you realize the ocean, I mean,
22:01
Speaker 3: some fascinating stuff.
22:02
Speaker 2: So there was one study they did on.
22:06
Speaker 3: Whale ear wax. So apparently whales have ears and they
22:10
Speaker 3: don't clean them. So after you know, whale come with
22:14
Speaker 3: eighty years and they end up with the big long
22:16
Speaker 3: candle of wax in their ears. And that wax is
22:19
Speaker 3: like tree rings because it gets laid down each year,
22:22
Speaker 3: and wax is by substance, so whatever's toxicity in the ocean,
22:25
Speaker 3: it gets laid down.
22:26
Speaker 2: So they can look at the history of the.
22:27
Speaker 3: Toxicity of the oceans because whales travel over vast areas
22:32
Speaker 3: of ocean, and they can see that the level of toxicity.
22:35
Speaker 3: And what they notice is that a whale, just like
22:38
Speaker 3: a human infant, will get a big dose of toxicity
22:40
Speaker 3: as an infant when they're breastfeeding, because when you breastfeed,
22:44
Speaker 3: you're actually getting the concentrated toxicity, if that's soluble toxicity
22:48
Speaker 3: from your mother.
22:49
Speaker 2: Into the infant, and then it continues.
22:52
Speaker 3: Then you get exposed through the environment, and they show
22:55
Speaker 3: that the oceans have become much more toxic over the
22:57
Speaker 3: last eighty years, and this whale ear wax is one
23:02
Speaker 3: of the measures they can actually look look at that.
23:06
Speaker 2: That's buddy, that's incredible.
23:07
Speaker 1: Well all right, what about what about It's going to
23:13
Speaker 1: sound weird, but toxic people or toxic workplaces or like,
23:18
Speaker 1: I feel like being around some people is bad for
23:22
Speaker 1: your health, not not just mentally but also physically.
23:28
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
23:28
Speaker 3: I mean there's that sort of truism in popular culture
23:31
Speaker 3: saying you are the average of the five people you
23:33
Speaker 3: spend most time with.
23:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's true.
23:36
Speaker 3: You can actually if you're around toxic people, negative people,
23:40
Speaker 3: and you know you know who they are in your life,
23:43
Speaker 3: they actually have a huge impact on you. So surrounding
23:47
Speaker 3: yourself by positive people, people who are on the same
23:51
Speaker 3: wavelength of you, people that make you feel good. And
23:53
Speaker 3: again it's my focus on focusing on fun. You want
23:56
Speaker 3: to be around people who you enjoy being around, who
23:59
Speaker 3: you laugh with, you can who you learn with, you
24:01
Speaker 3: can share with, and who you don't have to put
24:03
Speaker 3: up a front and be someone else. With you, so
24:06
Speaker 3: you can be your totally natural self. And if you're
24:10
Speaker 3: a lot of people in their work environments, they can't
24:12
Speaker 3: be their natural self. Yeah, they have to put on
24:15
Speaker 3: a work suit and I work face and be around
24:18
Speaker 3: toxic people and often in toxic industries as well, doing
24:22
Speaker 3: jobs that they don't it's not about their passion. It's
24:25
Speaker 3: just about getting a paycheck. And even that's toxic. Just
24:29
Speaker 3: working in a dead end job or a job that's
24:32
Speaker 3: not aligned with who you.
24:35
Speaker 2: Are, that in itself is toxic. And being around people
24:38
Speaker 2: who are toxic to you.
24:41
Speaker 3: Has an impact not just on your enjoyment of life,
24:43
Speaker 3: but your physical health, your mental health, and your longevity.
24:47
Speaker 2: Yeah.
24:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, And conversely, tif dogs and cats are therapeutic, aren't
24:52
Speaker 1: they They're healing.
24:55
Speaker 3: Because you don't have to have to be anyone else
24:57
Speaker 3: with your dog. You just be yourself and your dog
25:00
Speaker 3: will love you for who you are and the best
25:03
Speaker 3: and yeah, you can ensure you. Dogs make you happy
25:06
Speaker 3: and and I mean there's all the touch and the
25:08
Speaker 3: you know, the tactile sensation and that.
25:12
Speaker 2: Positive regard that you get from the dog and the
25:14
Speaker 2: fact that you have to.
25:18
Speaker 3: Look after them and be of service and being of
25:22
Speaker 3: service is actually a great positive action in the world
25:25
Speaker 3: because it gives you purpose.
25:27
Speaker 2: So looking for animals there one hundred percent.
25:31
Speaker 1: I feel like just like being around some people is
25:35
Speaker 1: literally I mean, there's there's been research showing that like
25:39
Speaker 1: being around some people can suppress your immune system like
25:44
Speaker 1: like yeah, because you know, and increase corters old and
25:48
Speaker 1: adrenaline and sympathetic nervous system action and all that stuff.
25:52
Speaker 2: What about.
25:55
Speaker 1: Stimulants and booze and drugs in general, Like.
25:58
Speaker 2: What what's your mean?
26:01
Speaker 1: I know that's a very vast playing field and there's
26:05
Speaker 1: a million different drugs, and what do you tell people?
26:08
Speaker 1: Because we live in a culture that is pretty heavily
26:15
Speaker 1: I was going to say, focused on, not focused on,
26:18
Speaker 1: but connected to booze. Like we're coming up to Christmas
26:22
Speaker 1: as we record this, there's going to be a lot
26:24
Speaker 1: of booze going on at most Christmas lunches and dinners.
26:29
Speaker 3: Civilization has been built on sugar, caffeine, alcohol, right the drink, I.
26:36
Speaker 2: Mean, tobacco as well, and other things.
26:39
Speaker 3: And if you look at the whole history of civilization,
26:41
Speaker 3: it was all about the spice trade and getting drugs
26:45
Speaker 3: and opium and tea. I mean, tea and caffeine. At
26:48
Speaker 3: the whole East India Tea Company, it's all about tea
26:51
Speaker 3: and it's all about drugs. Drugs are essential part of
26:55
Speaker 3: who we are as humans. Yeah, but I think the
26:58
Speaker 3: way that our culture has developedn't Isn't that actually healthy?
27:02
Speaker 3: And you look because and you look at that, I mean,
27:04
Speaker 3: most people aren't healthy. We have the huge range of
27:06
Speaker 3: chronic disease. Sixty percent of the population have chronic disease.
27:10
Speaker 3: And you know, sugar, alcohol, and caffeine drive society. So
27:15
Speaker 3: we have a caffeine in the morning to hype us up.
27:17
Speaker 3: We have sugar to keep us active during the day,
27:20
Speaker 3: and we have alcohol in the evening to calm us down.
27:22
Speaker 3: And when you have it like that, it's actually not
27:24
Speaker 3: healthy at all. And I'm a big fan of me.
27:28
Speaker 3: And I'm not anti alcohol or you know, caffe I
27:31
Speaker 3: mean personally, I don't drink coffee. I just don't need
27:34
Speaker 3: the stimulation. I hype enough as it is. I have
27:38
Speaker 3: alcohol rarely, certainly not every day, maybe once a week
27:43
Speaker 3: I have a drink. But I'm certainly not against alcohol,
27:46
Speaker 3: but I'm not a big proponent of.
27:48
Speaker 2: It and sugar. I don't have refined sugar in my life.
27:53
Speaker 2: But I love you know, I love sweet things.
27:55
Speaker 3: But in Chinese medicine you say you want to balance sweet, salty, spicy, sour,
27:59
Speaker 3: and bitter, So how do you balance those tastes in
28:03
Speaker 3: your life? And so having sweets important, but you want
28:06
Speaker 3: to balance with and most people actually don't have enough
28:08
Speaker 3: bitter in their life.
28:10
Speaker 2: And if you don't have enough bitter, you'll crave sweets.
28:13
Speaker 3: And a lot of people get there bitter from coffee
28:16
Speaker 3: and chocolate, not from herbs.
28:19
Speaker 2: So a lot of people they.
28:20
Speaker 3: Think they love coffee, and I mean they do love
28:22
Speaker 3: coffee and chocolate, and you do sweeten them, but they're
28:26
Speaker 3: actually craving the bitters. And if you have enough bitter,
28:29
Speaker 3: you actually reduce your sweet craving. So there's some elements there.
28:33
Speaker 3: But coming into the holidays, yeah, I mean alcohol is
28:36
Speaker 3: a it's alcohol is directly toxic to every organ in
28:40
Speaker 3: your body. As a medical student, came up a mnemonic
28:43
Speaker 3: for alcoholic liver disease, and m the moonic was basically
28:46
Speaker 3: the whole alphabet. Every letter of the alphabet is one
28:49
Speaker 3: of the signs and symptoms of alcoholic liver disease.
28:51
Speaker 2: So it's directly every organ in your body.
28:55
Speaker 3: And that's not to say that you should never have it,
28:58
Speaker 3: but to have a society that's based on it, like
29:01
Speaker 3: you know in Australia, like any local town has a
29:04
Speaker 3: pub and maybe you know it's something else that the
29:07
Speaker 3: pubs like the center of the of the town and
29:09
Speaker 3: of our civilization has been built on this.
29:14
Speaker 2: Depressant. Yea depressant, and that's that's played out. I'm used to.
29:20
Speaker 2: I don't know the latest STATFU.
29:21
Speaker 3: When I was in working in the hospitals used to
29:23
Speaker 3: say forty percent of all hospital emissions were alcohol related.
29:26
Speaker 2: Wow, it might be more than that now and.
29:28
Speaker 3: That includes you know the pfos. What they could used
29:31
Speaker 3: to do a PFO was piston fell over, you know
29:33
Speaker 3: in the emergency department. That's a PFO piston fell over
29:39
Speaker 3: on a Saturday night. But you know, whether it's some
29:41
Speaker 3: car accidents, alcoholic liver disease, obesity, you know, all the
29:45
Speaker 3: all the sequeally of alcohol is really dominating our health system.
29:51
Speaker 3: So alcohol can be it can be great, but it's
29:55
Speaker 3: not something to have to overdo.
29:58
Speaker 2: But but it's part of it our culture. I mean,
30:01
Speaker 2: as a.
30:01
Speaker 3: Doctor, I still do a little bit about doing that
30:04
Speaker 3: three hours a week in medical practice, and I prescribe
30:06
Speaker 3: medical cannabis and that can be again everybody, but can
30:10
Speaker 3: be a game change for the people, certainly for sleep
30:13
Speaker 3: and inflammation and pain, and there are certain conditions that
30:16
Speaker 3: it can be grateful getting off everybody. But I'm not
30:19
Speaker 3: against drugs, but I do think there is a you
30:24
Speaker 3: need to use them very consciously and not as a habit.
30:28
Speaker 3: As a habit. If you're if you're habitually using stimulants
30:33
Speaker 3: or depressants, then you're really got a question.
30:36
Speaker 2: You know, how do I have? Who am I? And
30:39
Speaker 2: how can I find stillness and happiness without that?
30:43
Speaker 3: If you depend on drugs for your your mental health
30:47
Speaker 3: and well being, then we actually in trouble.
30:50
Speaker 1: So if it's just dount of interest, because I've never
30:52
Speaker 1: had any drugs and I've never been drunk, so I'm
30:55
Speaker 1: the world's most boring man.
30:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never had go through life not being dream
31:00
Speaker 2: that's that's no.
31:01
Speaker 1: I've never had a glass of beer, never been drunk,
31:03
Speaker 1: never been high. So CB d oil is that's am
31:10
Speaker 1: I right saying that's the non psychoactive THHC is the
31:13
Speaker 1: psychoactive bit and CB so cb D oil doesn't get
31:17
Speaker 1: you high.
31:18
Speaker 2: What is it is? It mainly for inflammation reduction, or.
31:21
Speaker 3: It's for lots of things. You can think of it
31:25
Speaker 3: as like really good fish oil. Like it's an oil
31:28
Speaker 3: that I mean, you have an endocannabinoid system in your
31:31
Speaker 3: body and the oil matches that, so we actually have
31:35
Speaker 3: a system in our body that is receptive to that.
31:38
Speaker 3: So it can help with inflammation, it helps with mood stabilization,
31:41
Speaker 3: it can help, it helps with so many things. Again,
31:44
Speaker 3: it's not for everybody. But it doesn't get you high.
31:47
Speaker 3: You won't you don't get stoned off CBB right. And
31:51
Speaker 3: it's funny because in Australia and I just got back
31:54
Speaker 3: from Europe, and in Europe and England and in Americas
31:57
Speaker 3: and three times in America this year, you can buy
32:00
Speaker 3: it over the counter, and there's all these health products
32:04
Speaker 3: and supplements and even topical skincare that have CBD in it.
32:08
Speaker 3: In Australia it's only on prescription, so as a doctor
32:12
Speaker 3: I can prescribe it. You can't go to the health
32:15
Speaker 3: is stored by CBD products, whereas you can in a
32:18
Speaker 3: lot of the world. So it's really funny how drugs
32:22
Speaker 3: are regulated in different societies and how those societies adapt
32:26
Speaker 3: to that. But you can go to any bottle shop
32:30
Speaker 3: and buy as much alcohol as you want, which alcohol
32:33
Speaker 3: is psychoactive. You know, you being is a psychoactive state.
32:40
Speaker 2: So yeah, so CBD is. There's always no downsides to it.
32:47
Speaker 3: You can't overdose, it doesn't have serious side effects, it
32:50
Speaker 3: doesn't really interact with other drugs, and it can have
32:54
Speaker 3: a great benefit, but it's restricted in terms of you
32:58
Speaker 3: need a doctor to prescribe, and there are different doses,
33:02
Speaker 3: and there's different formats and now there's you know you
33:05
Speaker 3: can there's inhalers, there's vabes, there's oils, there's gummies, there's
33:08
Speaker 3: all these different dosage forms.
33:10
Speaker 2: There's topical patches and things, and it can.
33:13
Speaker 3: Be a game changer for a lot of people, but
33:15
Speaker 3: the bureaucracy makes it hard to access at the moment.
33:20
Speaker 2: So weird, so so weird.
33:22
Speaker 1: I'd love to do I'd love to do a show
33:24
Speaker 1: one day where we talk about all the the drugs
33:28
Speaker 1: or substances or treatments that you think should be legal
33:32
Speaker 1: that aren't and why. Anyway, Hey mate, it's always good
33:37
Speaker 1: chatting to you. I appreciate you tell people how to
33:40
Speaker 1: find you and follow you and connect with you if
33:44
Speaker 1: if you're interested.
33:45
Speaker 2: Yeah.
33:46
Speaker 3: So I have a website Doctor mark dot com, Dr
33:51
Speaker 3: M A r C dot Co.
33:52
Speaker 2: I'm actively a little bit on Facebook and LinkedIn.
33:55
Speaker 3: I have a company, Extremely Alive, which makes probiotic kombucha
33:59
Speaker 3: vinegar and herbs and Manuka honey. And one of the
34:03
Speaker 3: things I do with my products, like I have all
34:05
Speaker 3: these products, but I actually teach people to make themselves.
34:07
Speaker 3: And maybe we can talk about that another time where
34:09
Speaker 3: you where you know. I love making really high quality products,
34:13
Speaker 3: but I don't want to have them every exclusive. As
34:15
Speaker 3: you know, there's a lot of wellness very inaccessible to people.
34:18
Speaker 3: So I'll always have a product ruck and I'll teach
34:21
Speaker 3: you how to make it yourself at home for free.
34:23
Speaker 2: Wow. Fan of empowering to their own horrible business man? Yeah,
34:29
Speaker 2: well again kidding. I'm only kidding. I mean, I'm not.
34:33
Speaker 2: I've never been focused on business.
34:35
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm I do businesses because I have a
34:38
Speaker 3: water filtered business because I just wanted people to have
34:40
Speaker 3: good water. And I created this kombuchi company each USA
34:43
Speaker 3: Vinegars because I wanted to make the world's best drink
34:46
Speaker 3: for myself and I had a friend who had an
34:48
Speaker 3: incredible kobucia company that I did research on and showed
34:51
Speaker 3: we did the first ever clinical.
34:53
Speaker 2: Trial of kombucha.
34:54
Speaker 3: Wow, so extremely A live is our is our brand
34:58
Speaker 3: where we've just started off. We've just created ox Wolves,
35:00
Speaker 3: which are kimbucha, vinegar, honey, manuka honey and herbs and
35:06
Speaker 3: we've just launched in But again, we'll teach people to
35:08
Speaker 3: make it themselves.
35:09
Speaker 2: This is ancient medicine.
35:11
Speaker 3: It's not difficult, but a lot of that knowledge has
35:16
Speaker 3: been lost. So I'm about empowering people to do good stuff.
35:19
Speaker 3: So yeah, find me on my website, reach out. I'm
35:23
Speaker 3: happy to converse with people.
35:26
Speaker 1: They will say goodbye here, but as always, mate, brilliant,
35:28
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, appreciate your time, my pleasure.
35:31
Speaker 2: Great Thanks