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- 0:00Speaker 1: I am all in.
- 0:03Speaker 2: Again! More, more, more. I want to kiss you more.
- 0:07Speaker 3: More, more, more.
- 0:09Speaker 2: I want to kiss you more.
- 0:17Speaker 3: I Am All In Town Meeting with Suzanne French and
- 0:21Speaker 3: Tara Sood.
- 0:22Speaker 1: An iHeartRadio podcast.
- 0:24Speaker 3: Hi guys, welcome back to another episode of I Am
- 0:26Speaker 3: All In Town Meeting with myself, Tara and Suzanne.
- 0:29Speaker 1: Hello!
- 0:29Speaker 2: Hello!
- 0:30Speaker 3: Hello. Today we're talking about Season 5, Episode 6, Norman Mailer,
- 0:34Speaker 3: I Am Pregnant, which aired on October 26, 2004.
- 0:39Speaker 2: Yes. It's a good episode.
- 0:42Speaker 1: It was good.
- 0:43Speaker 2: The beginning of the Life and Death Brigade.
- 0:45Speaker 1: Yes, the very, very beginning of it. The one thing
- 0:48Speaker 1: I'm just going to call out right away, two things.
- 0:50Speaker 3: One is we got a clown pillow at the very beginning.
- 0:52Speaker 2: Yeah, total like full frontal of a clown pillow.
- 0:56Speaker 1: Full frontal.
- 0:59Speaker 3: And then I was really paying attention to set design
- 1:02Speaker 3: this episode.
- 1:03Speaker 1: There was just a lot of crap. In Rory's room,
- 1:10Speaker 1: her dorm room, there's like 18 cups just like in
- 1:13Speaker 1: front of her, like coffee cups.
- 1:15Speaker 2: Yes, I marked that too.
- 1:17Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like, maybe not 18. I think there was
- 1:19Speaker 1: like 10, but still.
- 1:21Speaker 3: And then the guy who she was interviewing in his
- 1:23Speaker 3: dorm room, the music.
- 1:25Speaker 1: Guy, also had a bunch of water bottles in the back,
- 1:29Speaker 1: like just empty.
- 1:31Speaker 3: And then obviously Christopher's house was just a mess. And
- 1:34Speaker 3: so my first thought was the set designer, Must have
- 1:38Speaker 3: just gotten any crap he could have thrown into these rooms.
- 1:43Speaker 2: Yes.
- 1:43Speaker 1: Yeah. There's a lot of stuff.
- 1:45Speaker 2: There was also like a random set of bongos in
- 1:49Speaker 2: the newsroom at the newspaper. Okay.
- 1:52Speaker 1: That I did not see.
- 1:53Speaker 2: On the file cabinet. Yeah. It was like when they,
- 1:56Speaker 2: when it was when Logan came in and he was,
- 1:58Speaker 2: he sat down in that chair. It was like on
- 2:00Speaker 2: the file cabinet behind him.
- 2:02Speaker 3: Funny.
- 2:03Speaker 1: I did. I do love the banter with, with Logan though.
- 2:06Speaker 2: Yeah, it was good. I'm not committed to any of
- 2:12Speaker 2: Rory's boyfriends, but I thought Logan was good in this episode.
- 2:17Speaker 2: And obviously the one following is a big Logan episode.
- 2:21Speaker 2: But yeah, these were good.
- 2:23Speaker 3: You know, there's this thing that's been going around on
- 2:26Speaker 3: social media that the older you are, like now as
- 2:30Speaker 3: an adult, you realize you're more of a Logan girl. Oh.
- 2:36Speaker 1: And I think I'm leaning that way.
- 2:40Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 2:43Speaker 1: But anyway. Yeah.
- 2:44Speaker 2: I mean, our perspectives change as we get older, right?
- 2:47Speaker 2: Like I've read so many times people are like, oh
- 2:50Speaker 2: my gosh, I loved Rory when I was a teenager.
- 2:52Speaker 2: And now I identify with Lorelai more. Like people, we
- 2:55Speaker 2: just get older and we have different opinions.
- 2:58Speaker 3: I always was into the bad boys, which makes sense
- 3:04Speaker 3: why I was a Jess girl.
- 3:05Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 3:06Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, I still think, especially in shows,
- 3:09Speaker 1: I'm like, hmm, I still like that one. But I
- 3:12Speaker 1: don't know. It's... Also, I'm just talking about future Logan because,
- 3:17Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen it. But, like, the more I
- 3:19Speaker 1: think about it before I even watch, I'm like, yeah,
- 3:22Speaker 1: I get it. I get it.
- 3:23Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I don't really... I don't know. I don't
- 3:27Speaker 2: like Logan later. But right now, I can totally see.
- 3:33Speaker 1: He's charming.
- 3:35Speaker 2: Exactly.
- 3:35Speaker 1: And you know, I kind of forgot that there's the
- 3:39Speaker 1: Dean-Logan overlap.
- 3:42Speaker 2: Yes.
- 3:43Speaker 3: So when you compare it, you're like, oh, come on, Rory.
- 3:45Speaker 2: Right?
- 3:47Speaker 1: You cannot be leaning towards Dean in this moment. I'm
- 3:50Speaker 1: so sorry.
- 3:50Speaker 2: Yeah, and they even literally went out of their way
- 3:54Speaker 2: to make Dean look... Like with the whole trucker thing
- 3:59Speaker 2: at the market and he's got like a cowboy hat
- 4:02Speaker 2: on or something. They literally are trying to separate him
- 4:07Speaker 2: out from Logan. Like they're trying to really draw that contrast.
- 4:10Speaker 2: Just like they did with Dean and Jess back in
- 4:13Speaker 2: the day. Like they had to define that contrast.
- 4:16Speaker 3: I wish there was more of an explanation of the
- 4:18Speaker 3: cowboy hat. Except for the fact that there's now a
- 4:20Speaker 3: rack of cowboy hats being sold at Dozie's Market.
- 4:23Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 4:23Speaker 2: Yeah. Did you notice in the background there was, I
- 4:26Speaker 2: don't know if it was like, I can't remember if
- 4:28Speaker 2: it was just a poster or a blackboard or something,
- 4:31Speaker 2: but it said Trucker's Rule in the background.
- 4:35Speaker 1: I didn't see. I was paying attention to the really
- 4:38Speaker 1: fake hot dogs, though.
- 4:39Speaker 2: The fake hot dogs and the Slurpees and the nachos
- 4:43Speaker 2: with the weird cheese.
- 4:45Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Nachos did sound good, though. When I saw it,
- 4:50Speaker 1: I was like, you know what? Nachos do sound good
- 4:52Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, but you're right. They are very, like...
- 4:56Speaker 1: It kind of sucks for Dean's character. It's, like, degrading
- 5:01Speaker 1: him a bit.
- 5:02Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, they really went out of their way
- 5:05Speaker 2: to intentionally make him, like, this country bumpkin. And it gets...
- 5:10Speaker 2: It's gonna get worse in a couple episodes. I know,
- 5:13Speaker 2: I know. When he doesn't, like, read her article or whatever,
- 5:16Speaker 2: and he, like, gives the impression that, you know, he's
- 5:19Speaker 2: just too stupid to read it. I don't know. I
- 5:21Speaker 2: think they really... They really did. That's how he came across.
- 5:28Speaker 2: And I'm not saying he is stupid. I'm just saying
- 5:30Speaker 2: that's how he came across. And when you compare it
- 5:32Speaker 2: to when we met him in the pilot and he
- 5:34Speaker 2: didn't like the leather jacket and.
- 5:35Speaker 1: Reading a book, right.
- 5:37Speaker 2: He's reading a book and he's just in from Chicago
- 5:39Speaker 2: and they're talking about, you know, Rosemary's baby and stuff.
- 5:42Speaker 2: It's just completely, completely changed.
- 5:45Speaker 3: It makes you think that like, sometimes I wonder if
- 5:48Speaker 3: writers think that we're dumb. And I don't say that
- 5:52Speaker 3: in a mean way, but like, that's the common thing
- 5:55Speaker 3: about Dean is we're always like, what happened? Because he
- 5:58Speaker 3: was so like intelligent and like read books in the beginning.
- 6:02Speaker 3: And then we were made to think that he doesn't
- 6:04Speaker 3: read books and just reads books.
- 6:06Speaker 1: Right.
- 6:07Speaker 2: And yeah, I think sometimes it's out of necessity. Like
- 6:12Speaker 2: if an actor leaves or, you know, something, then you
- 6:16Speaker 2: have to rework your storylines and maybe that involves changing
- 6:19Speaker 2: the character. you know like I've talked about a million
- 6:22Speaker 2: times and I won't rehash it with Zach like you
- 6:26Speaker 2: know the same they did the same thing because the
- 6:28Speaker 2: you know Dave Rogalski left the show and I couldn't
- 6:33Speaker 2: think of his name so then they had to kind
- 6:35Speaker 2: of shuffle around and find Lane a new love interest
- 6:38Speaker 2: so I don't know that it's necessarily intentional it's just
- 6:42Speaker 2: like they have to just get a plot out there
- 6:45Speaker 2: for the season and sometimes that I don't know it's
- 6:48Speaker 2: probably both yeah.
- 6:51Speaker 1: Poor Dean. I know.
- 6:53Speaker 2: Poor Dean. Sort of. I mean, he cheated on his wife,
- 6:56Speaker 2: so not that poor Dean.
- 6:58Speaker 3: That's a good point. Speaking of not feeling bad for people,
- 7:03Speaker 3: who do you think I'm about to bring up?
- 7:06Speaker 2: Let me guess. Christopher?
- 7:10Speaker 1: Yep.
- 7:10Speaker 3: I forgot that this is when he calls because we
- 7:13Speaker 3: hadn't seen him in so long.
- 7:15Speaker 2: We haven't seen him in like a year. He's been
- 7:17Speaker 2: gone for a whole season. It was blissful.
- 7:22Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, no, here we go again. I think that, like,
- 7:25Speaker 3: the comparison, underlying comparison of, like, raising a child by yourself,
- 7:33Speaker 3: when he's like, how am I going to do this?
- 7:35Speaker 1: It's like, well, you just got to figure it out. Right.
- 7:37Speaker 2: When you have no choice, you just deal with it.
- 7:40Speaker 1: And also, a little bit of karma, right? Like, he
- 7:45Speaker 1: left Lorelai and Rory, and now karma, and now he's
- 7:49Speaker 1: having to raise. But, you know, The one thing I
- 7:53Speaker 1: do have to give him credit for is he didn't
- 7:57Speaker 1: leave Gigi.
- 7:59Speaker 2: Yes, that's true.
- 8:01Speaker 1: For now.
- 8:02Speaker 2: Yeah, but he left Lorelai and Rory a second time
- 8:07Speaker 2: to be with Sherry and Gigi.
- 8:09Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think also like, and I'm not trying
- 8:12Speaker 3: to defend him in any way, but I think it's
- 8:14Speaker 3: also with age and realizing that he's screwed up with
- 8:17Speaker 3: missing out on his kid's life the first time that
- 8:20Speaker 3: he's trying to fix it this time.
- 8:22Speaker 1: So I give him a.
- 8:23Speaker 3: Little bit of credit because because Sherry also just like dips.
- 8:27Speaker 1: What are you going to do? Leave the kid with
- 8:29Speaker 1: a baby? You can't do that.
- 8:31Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, but he does admit that she did
- 8:35Speaker 2: that because he was working all the time and he
- 8:37Speaker 2: said he doesn't even know Gigi.
- 8:39Speaker 1: So, yeah, he had no choice. Yeah.
- 8:43Speaker 2: So he was kind of. again going down that absent
- 8:47Speaker 2: father path until sherry decided she was gonna beat him
- 8:50Speaker 2: to it and she left and then he had to
- 8:52Speaker 2: step up yeah.
- 8:53Speaker 1: But this part moving forward he at least is.
- 8:56Speaker 2: He leans into it for sure yeah i was about.
- 8:58Speaker 3: To say trying and that was too nice of a
- 9:00Speaker 3: word leaning into it but i did what i was
- 9:07Speaker 3: annoyed that he called lorelei and then yeah i.
- 9:10Speaker 1: Was really proud of rory at the end Yeah, I know.
- 9:13Speaker 2: Some people don't like that, but sometimes Rory butts into
- 9:19Speaker 2: other people's business more than she should. And I think
- 9:23Speaker 2: there's an aspect of that here, but I'm glad she
- 9:26Speaker 2: did because she wants her mom to be happy and
- 9:30Speaker 2: she wants her dad to just stop being a jerk
- 9:34Speaker 2: and leaving over and over and over again.
- 9:37Speaker 1: I don't blame her this time for butting in.
- 9:40Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I was proud of her for like
- 9:43Speaker 2: speaking up and, you know, defending her mom.
- 9:46Speaker 1: Which, by the way, is so funny that both Emily
- 9:49Speaker 1: and Richard weren't there this week.
- 9:52Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
- 9:52Speaker 1: And they just showed up to the house. Yeah. And
- 9:55Speaker 1: got the phone book to order food.
- 9:57Speaker 2: Which is funny because why wouldn't they have? canceled friday
- 10:00Speaker 2: night dinner if they both knew they weren't going to
- 10:04Speaker 2: be there i.
- 10:04Speaker 3: I wonder if i was thinking the same thing i
- 10:06Speaker 3: wonder if one thought the other was going to be.
- 10:08Speaker 2: There oh maybe yes.
- 10:10Speaker 1: Because they're not talking right now yeah yeah that could
- 10:13Speaker 1: be it.
- 10:23Speaker 2: So one thing I noticed, and maybe this is intentional
- 10:29Speaker 2: because maybe she's just somebody that lives in Stars Hollow,
- 10:31Speaker 2: but the business consultant that told Suki she had to
- 10:37Speaker 2: drop lunch, that's the same actress as the woman that
- 10:43Speaker 2: was breastfeeding at Luke's.
- 10:45Speaker 1: Oh, that was a while ago.
- 10:46Speaker 2: That was a while ago.
- 10:47Speaker 3: Okay.
- 10:48Speaker 2: You could think of it two ways. Either it's just
- 10:50Speaker 2: another situation where they reuse an actor in multiple roles
- 10:54Speaker 2: because they did that constantly.
- 10:55Speaker 1: Or that was just her job.
- 10:56Speaker 2: Or that was just her job, right. She was just
- 10:58Speaker 2: a citizen in Stars Hollow who was breastfeeding in the
- 11:01Speaker 2: diner and also is a business consultant.
- 11:03Speaker 1: Speaking of the diner, Kirk in the wiener costume.
- 11:09Speaker 2: Yes.
- 11:10Speaker 1: I also like how Suki's like, don't worry, I paid
- 11:12Speaker 1: with them out of my own pocket. I'm like, this
- 11:14Speaker 1: doesn't make it any better.
- 11:16Speaker 2: Right. Yeah. Suki was annoying in this episode. I guess
- 11:21Speaker 2: we're supposed to think she was annoying because she was
- 11:23Speaker 2: pregnant and hormonal. Yeah.
- 11:24Speaker 3: I mean, she was annoying to me, but still entertaining.
- 11:28Speaker 3: She didn't completely derail me.
- 11:31Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
- 11:32Speaker 2: I mean, she was still funny. She just annoyed me
- 11:35Speaker 2: when they had the conversation about dropping lunch and she
- 11:38Speaker 2: was upset. And then later on when Lorelai walks in
- 11:43Speaker 2: and she's like, what is all this food here for?
- 11:46Speaker 2: Like we have to drop.
- 11:47Speaker 1: That's the part that she was like, what, what.
- 11:50Speaker 2: Are you talking about? Who decided that?
- 11:51Speaker 1: Like you were there.
- 11:53Speaker 2: I mean, just like you're intentionally acting like you don't
- 11:56Speaker 2: know anything about it because you don't want to deal
- 11:59Speaker 2: with it. And you don't, I don't know. I guess
- 12:03Speaker 2: we're just supposed to chalk that up to pregnancy, I guess,
- 12:05Speaker 2: but I don't know. I was a little annoyed by that.
- 12:08Speaker 1: Well, because the first time that she found out she
- 12:11Speaker 1: was pregnant was during the kid's birthday party when she
- 12:13Speaker 1: was making crazy decisions about the kid's food, right?
- 12:19Speaker 2: No, that's not when she found out. She was already, like,
- 12:23Speaker 2: pretty well into the pregnancy. She found out when they
- 12:27Speaker 2: were at the Independence Inn and the food didn't taste right.
- 12:30Speaker 1: That's what it was. Yeah. But she was acting weird. Yes.
- 12:33Speaker 2: Yes.
- 12:34Speaker 1: So I think that's kind of the... Wait, so what
- 12:37Speaker 1: was the thing at the birthday? Oh, no. She just
- 12:39Speaker 1: thought she can't be a mom because she didn't know
- 12:40Speaker 1: how to feed kids. Exactly.
- 12:42Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 12:42Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think it's just kind of like her
- 12:44Speaker 1: being weird is the sign that she's pregnant, which is.
- 12:48Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 12:49Speaker 3: Okay.
- 12:49Speaker 1: Whatever.
- 12:50Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it's kind of a stereotype, but whatever. Yeah.
- 12:55Speaker 1: Well, I didn't have anything else this episode. Did you?
- 12:58Speaker 2: So I have some minor things. Okay. So I always...
- 13:02Speaker 2: I try to pay attention to the music because it
- 13:05Speaker 2: seems like, I don't know if it was Dan Palladino
- 13:07Speaker 2: that was making those choices, but I always have like
- 13:09Speaker 2: a similar kind of taste in music for the most part.
- 13:12Speaker 2: So something funny when Rory was in the guy's apartment,
- 13:16Speaker 2: the downloading guy.
- 13:17Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 13:18Speaker 2: He made a comment about downloading the new Interpol. And
- 13:22Speaker 2: I had to go back and look because that was
- 13:26Speaker 2: so at that time when this episode aired, which we
- 13:30Speaker 2: said was October of 2004. Interpol had just released an album, like,
- 13:34Speaker 2: in September of 24, and a song from that album
- 13:39Speaker 2: was in the episode where Jackson was, the election episode, like,
- 13:45Speaker 2: episode four, I think it was.
- 13:47Speaker 1: Hmm.
- 13:48Speaker 2: So I just thought that was a funny little connection
- 13:50Speaker 2: because there was a song that played when they were
- 13:52Speaker 2: in Lane's apartment and the girls were there and they
- 13:55Speaker 2: were drinking the beer. And that's when Lane told.
- 13:57Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. That's two episodes ago.
- 13:59Speaker 2: Yeah. So the song that was playing in the background.
- 14:02Speaker 1: Is it from this album?
- 14:03Speaker 2: It's from that album.
- 14:05Speaker 3: Oh, it had to be. I wonder, Jackie, can you
- 14:08Speaker 3: look it up? I wonder if they were assigned to
- 14:09Speaker 3: Warner Brothers Music.
- 14:11Speaker 2: Oh, maybe. Because that episode would have aired before the
- 14:15Speaker 2: album even came out.
- 14:17Speaker 3: That's why I think it was a it's called a
- 14:21Speaker 3: sync when they do that like they basically place the
- 14:24Speaker 3: song in there on purpose yeah I could totally see
- 14:27Speaker 3: that if they were signed to Warner Music that would
- 14:29Speaker 3: make so much sense but that's a really oh it's
- 14:33Speaker 3: Capital okay well then never mind Capital's under Universal Music
- 14:36Speaker 3: yeah or maybe like.
- 14:37Speaker 2: Dan knew them personally or something it.
- 14:39Speaker 3: Could have been some connection or like I don't know
- 14:42Speaker 3: maybe they were trying to really promote this album but
- 14:47Speaker 3: yeah it could be The thing is, it could be
- 14:49Speaker 3: a sync from another label.
- 14:50Speaker 1: So anyway.
- 14:50Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. So it's a good song if anybody feels
- 14:53Speaker 2: like going back to listen to it. It's called Slow Hand,
- 14:57Speaker 2: I think. I forget where. I wrote it down somewhere.
- 15:00Speaker 2: But Slow Hand or Slow Hands, something like that. But anyways,
- 15:03Speaker 2: the Interpol album is called Antics. And then, okay, go
- 15:09Speaker 2: back and watch the scene at Yale where– Rory is
- 15:15Speaker 2: telling Doyle about the Life and Death Brigade, how she
- 15:18Speaker 2: saw the girl in the bathroom. Because I swear, if
- 15:21Speaker 2: you watch her lips when she says in Omnia Paratus,
- 15:25Speaker 2: she says something else. I swear her lips.
- 15:28Speaker 1: Are saying something else. What's it called? Like ADR when
- 15:31Speaker 1: they do pick up?
- 15:32Speaker 2: You can tell it was like that it's looped. Yeah.
- 15:38Speaker 2: And I don't know what she, like you can see
- 15:40Speaker 2: in Omnia, those look fine. But when she says Paratus,
- 15:43Speaker 2: her lips are saying something else. I don't know what
- 15:46Speaker 2: they were saying. Maybe she like mispronounced the word or
- 15:48Speaker 2: something and had to go back.
- 15:50Speaker 1: Probably.
- 15:51Speaker 2: I don't know. But that caught my eye. And then
- 15:54Speaker 2: the only other thing, this was super minor, just one
- 15:56Speaker 2: of those little prop placement things. So when they were
- 16:00Speaker 2: in Emily's driveway, Lorelai left her coffee cup on the
- 16:04Speaker 2: hood of the Jeep. And then in different angles, the
- 16:11Speaker 2: coffee cup moved to different places. So it's just one
- 16:14Speaker 2: of those.
- 16:15Speaker 1: So many coffee cups. I couldn't keep track this episode.
- 16:17Speaker 1: I know.
- 16:18Speaker 2: There were a lot. All of them paper, mostly.
- 16:21Speaker 1: All of them paper, yeah. Especially the ones in Rory's room.
- 16:25Speaker 2: Yeah. But yeah, just one of those funny little things. Yeah.
- 16:29Speaker 1: It was a good episode, though.
- 16:30Speaker 2: It was a great episode. I like the Life and
- 16:32Speaker 2: Death Brigade stuff.
- 16:33Speaker 1: Me too.
- 16:35Speaker 2: Yeah. It's just a good... It's good for setting us
- 16:39Speaker 2: up for the next episode.
- 16:40Speaker 1: Which I watched. So I'm just going to be really
- 16:42Speaker 1: excited to talk about.
- 16:43Speaker 2: It next week. Yeah. So the upcoming episode is like
- 16:49Speaker 2: one of the biggest ones in the whole series, I think.
- 16:51Speaker 2: Like a lot of people, that's their favorite episode.
- 16:53Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 16:54Speaker 3: All right.
- 16:54Speaker 1: Well, next week, we're going to be talking about it.
- 16:56Speaker 3: Season five, episode seven, You Jump, I Jump Jack, which
- 16:59Speaker 3: aired November 2nd, 2004. We will see you next week.
- 17:03Speaker 2: Meeting adjourned.
- 17:04Speaker 1: Bye. Hey everybody, don't forget, follow us on Instagram at
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