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Episode 82: Continuing to Dissect Obi-Wan and Maul's Messy Relationship and its Dramatic Conclusion in "Rebels" · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  Hello there, it's time for most things Kenobi.
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  I prefer all things Kenobi, but I suppose that's not the Jedi
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  way as long as it's not all things Anakin.
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  Hi everyone, welcome to another episode of most things Kenobi.
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  A podcast about Obi-Wan Kenobi and all things Star Wars.
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  I'm your host Lauren and I'm your host Leanne and this week,
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  we're doing part two of our, OB 1M wall episodes, AB stoked.
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  The fire continues in the dumpster.
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  Yay, it's burning bright. It's burning made the dumpster
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  Fire Light the way for your Jedi.
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  Future illuminate your path with garbage, fire.
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  We are essentially talking about the finale of these two.
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  Yes, we're where do we pick up in the Clone Wars?
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  We're starting with the Lawless. Are we not?
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  Yes, we are. And going all the way through
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  the culmination that occurs in Rebels.
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  Yes. And there's a lot in this there,
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  there. Is a lot and it is all sad.
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  It's all said, it's all really. There's some creepy shit to like
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  the satine's Shrine. We got to talk about.
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  Oh, dude, and I like found some stuff out about that like which
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  probably anybody could have found out but I felt really
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  tearing it up. Well, I have thoughts.
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  I have a lot of thoughts on that Satine.
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  Shrine. Yeah, it's okay, we'll get
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  there. I want to like, jump right into
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  it. We gotta pee.
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  Pace ourselves because these two have a sordid history that we
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  have to comb through here. Yeah, so our last episode took
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  covered Phantom Menace. All the way through Revival,
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  where mole comes back in Obi-Wan and he have a confrontation.
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  So now moving forward. We're going to go from the
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  Lawless basically all the way through Rebels and just kind of
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  discuss their Twisted sorted relationship.
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  Yeah. I mean, I mentioned In episode
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  1. Well, okay, part 1.
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  I should say, yeah, I mentioned it 80 some episodes ago.
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  I know it's our 81st 82nd. What is it?
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  Every second? It's are eighty second episode
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  WTF. We're going to make it to 100.
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  Oh, hell, yes! We are released at least.
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  Yeah. We haven't missed a single week.
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  No, I don't know how I've done it.
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  My God with all the shit that goes on.
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  Jean in our personal lives. Oh, we have stayed committed,
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  folks. Yeah, well I think it's because
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  this is like one of the bright spots that our universe.
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  So it really is. It really is.
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  Thanks to a lot of you listening, honestly, truly yes.
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  Oh my gosh, 100% true. Oh, by the way, this is an
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  Okay. Anyway, we got mall, we got
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  Obi-Wan, we got drama with some about it.
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  Yeah, so the Lawless rips, your heart right out of your chest
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  and then throws it into a fire. Makes you watch your entrails
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  smoldering? I'm just saying descriptive.
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  I just want to note that Lauren is wearing a red and black top,
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  which is extremely appropriate for any conversation that
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  involves mall and I drank Red wine, very close before
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  recording. So I'm definitely ready for
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  death and Marion conversation. Well, maybe it'll help the
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  Lawless be digested slightly better than usually.
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  Usually is. I mean what is there to say
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  about the Lawless Molly is at his Peak?
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  Yeah. He's at his Peak for anger.
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  He's at his Peak for ruthlessness.
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  His revenge is on foot. Old display.
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  He's so giddy about killing somebody who means something to
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  all we want and it's crazy. He's fucking nuts, he's loving
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  every minute of it and he feels like he's sewing control until
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  the very end where he starts to like get very panicked when
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  Palpatine arrives. But yes, I I love To watch.
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  Mall. Think he's got one, finally on
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  Obi-Wan and it just doesn't work.
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  I mean it's a little more effective, it definitely hurt.
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  Obi-Wan, but Obi-Wan is so fucking amazing that he still
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  doesn't give Mall what he's after.
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  Yeah. And never does, that's why he's
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  great. It's so cool too because at the
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  same time while he's being super true to his his ideals, a lot of
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  the cinematography shows. I'm going from right to left.
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  Which is an indication of going against the status quo.
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  So he's breaking his because a lot of times Obi-Wan is very
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  centered in the frame in the actual I cinematography and is
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  often facing to the right and in a lot of this episode he's
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  facing left or moving left. A lot of times and there's even
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  the moment which the teen hugs him, and she pushes him from
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  left back to the right to like we trusting establish him in.
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  His, you know, the the positive moving in the right direction
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  and a lot of that comes from like an in college.
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  They kind of taught us that in our Western culture we read from
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  left to right. We're on the right side of the
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  street it's like it's programmed into our brain, but going with
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  the flow with the traffic is on the right and going against
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  traffic, you're moving against it on the left.
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  So it's kind of this interesting choice in cinematography to show
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  that Obi-Wan's go. Rogue a bit in this episode.
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  I didn't know any of that. I'm sitting here.
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  Amazed, by all of it. Well, he, there's even a moment
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  where when he's seeing the call from stettin.
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  Hmm. And Yoda is facing right
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  ki-adi-mundi is facing right? Obi-Wan is facing left.
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  He's going opposite direction from the other Jedi and it's he
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  literally turns from right to left as he's making the decision
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  to go. Go after City and even though
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  I've been told not to. Yeah.
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  You're right. So it's it's really deliberately
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  showing that he's doing that but the thing I think is so cool is
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  he's going against all of that. But in this episode he is more a
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  Jedi than ever before. Yeah, I mean it really
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  solidifies it at a pretty hefty cost.
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  But if there was ever a doubt that Obi-Wan was a good man, you
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  know, the erased by his display of control in this.
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  And it's funny to look at the Is of control malls is so
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  superficial and fake. You know, he's risen to the
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  throne and Mandalore, it's fake control over something.
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  He never learned, and he's appearing in control of
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  Obi-Wan's Fate by doing what he does to Satine, and that's fake.
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  Because Obi-Wan doesn't give it to him.
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  And meanwhile, Obi-Wan is the real version of control.
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  He's emotionally under control for, as devastating as the Ian
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  is, he's in control of his actions.
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  He goes right into battle. After all this lest.
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  We forget that. He just has to shelve it and
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  move on rather fucking quickly. And it's a real, it's a contrast
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  between the two very deep control, centered, sure of
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  himself on Obi-Wan side. And then this, like, Almost, I
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  don't know. Flamboyant display of control
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  that is so surface level with Mall.
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  Yeah, yeah I mean it's it's really interesting because
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  there's that moment, right? Where he has that, pretty famous
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  line about how you should have chosen the dark side.
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  He says the ACT 220 b 1. And your emotions betray you and
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  everyone's response is, you can kill me but you can never
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  destroy me, right? And I love that I do too,
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  because it's like death is not a punishment to him know, which is
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  sick because well, never intended to kill him.
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  He's actually going to kill the person, he loves.
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  And everyone's kind of, like not caught on to that quite yet, but
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  it's a little hard. To accept even in the moment.
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  Yeah, for sure. And he says, it takes strength
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  to resist the dark side. Only the weak.
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  Embrace it. Yeah.
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  Those who oppose it are more powerful than you'll ever be,
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  and I just love that moment so much.
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  It hurts a little because goddamnit Anakin come on, but
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  it's it's literally what he's saying in that moment is
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  essentially what Luke displays in Return of the Jedi.
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  It's So good. It's Obi-Wan was the perfect
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  Mentor for him? I think, you know, for for as
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  little as they had together, it really left an imprint on him
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  but it's the old thing of, you know, a king or an emperor or
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  some kind of tyrant can take away, your land, can take away,
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  your family can take away, can destroy everything around you
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  but they can't take away your thoughts and your inner strength
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  or anything that makes you, you, you know what I mean?
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  They can try but it's up to the cell Oath to not.
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  Let that be destroyed. That's where they don't have
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  control. And that's essentially what
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  we're seeing with mall and Obi-Wan, and I fucking love it.
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  It's so good. Yeah, I love it too.
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  And I wrote to you, when I was writing notes for this, like, I
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  don't know. What was it two weeks ago, even
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  when we were first talking about doing this episode.
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  And I like made myself cry a little bit because I was, I was
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  thinking about it. And what I said in the the last
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  episode I think if Obi-Wan had fought mall and sauvage he would
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  have actually won this time. Yeah yeah yes.
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  And this is the first time he chooses not to fight and it's
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  because the teen is literally being choked to death and says,
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  don't listen to him like she would rather die.
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  Then watch the man. She loves give up, who he is to
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  save her. That's how good that's sad.
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  It's I mean that's that's honor for both of them on like a level
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  that is very rare in our real lives.
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  You know. I think even texted you, I'd be
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  like no, save me bitch likes, don't let me down.
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  It wouldn't have worked. I think this was the best
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  outcome, even as terrible as it is, it had to happen this way.
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  There's, there's Things that have to happen.
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  Yeah. In order for an outcome to play
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  out as terrible as that is I mean we see it time and time
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  again in literature especially in the great stories of our
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  time. For sure, has to the loss, has
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  to happen in order for things to play out for the bed.
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  I mean nothing comes at no cost, right?
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  And imagine at least it's heartbreaking, is it is that op1
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  loses Satine mall would have succeeded if Obi-Wan had lost
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  himself? Yeah.
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  And even though he lost a woman he loved mall.
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  Still was ultimately unsuccessful.
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  Successful because ob1 remained true to his own ideals.
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  Like you could say it was the Jedi and maybe he was just like
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  holding on to his Jedi ideals but ultimately, it's just like
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  who he is as a man. So I just I find it very
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  heartbreaking but it's also the kind of thing where you don't
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  really meet people like that in real life, that often it's a
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  really special thing. So I think it's pretty cool that
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  They didn't give the audience the short-term satisfaction.
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  I don't know. Ultimately is probably more
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  powerful in the long run. Well, we end up seeing it.
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  He never loses himself Obi-Wan, and it brings us to Rebels.
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  You know, a lot goes on between the Lawless and Rebels.
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  A lot a lot mall is chilling, being creepy, hanging out in the
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  death row. What is it?
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  The moraband like basement. Yeah, he's just hanging out with
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  crime, syndicates and being CD and living his best life as
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  Mall. Still hooked on Obi-Wan still
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  still looking for that Obi-Wan hit.
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  Yeah, I mean, you know what he, what he does in season 7 that
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  whole elaborate plan on Mandalore was to trap Obi-Wan.
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  I was together. Yes and they said isoka and he
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  was so pissed. I do love how he calls her lady
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  Tao know though. That is so great.
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  Right. Who else does that?
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  I love it. I think it's great.
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  It's kind of a it's like a Backhanded form of respect.
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  I think he does respect her. Yeah, I think so.
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  I mean they're dual is fabulous. Yeah so good from a cinematic
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  point of view from a just action.
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  Awesome to watch for my character development.
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  From the words they speak to each other.
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  We could go on for days on season 7 and Ahsoka and malls,
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  you know, reunions. But when the whole thing with
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  Anakin is revealed and, you know, they say, Zoom in on
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  ahsoka's eyes and you know all this stuff and that whole thing
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  but then he gets taken away and what what what did they put him
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  in? It's like one of those weird
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  boxes that have like the Jedi Vault.
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  Yeah, well I don't like that at all.
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  Makes me uncomfortable, it's so fucked up.
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  It's so reminiscent to of certain like medieval torture
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  devices. That's like the things that had
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  spikes that went inward. Yes exactly.
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  Little Car Fergus that. Yes, but all of it.
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  First thing I thought of when I saw it so far.
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  Let's talk about the Satine Shrine.
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  Please, because sleaze mall is a straight-up serial killer, he
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  had serial killer Tendencies and this this fucking Shrine shows
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  it. Yeah, it's you know how, you
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  know, how some serial killers? Take mementos.
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  Mmm. That's what malls Shrine is to
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  me. Yeah, it has that feel.
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  And if you don't know what we're talking about, we're talking
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  about the Glimpse that we see in rebels of like the Satine, what
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  is it stained glass? Or art piece, or something from
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  Mandalore? Yeah, it's a calloused, art.
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  It looks like it was painted by Picasso.
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  Yes. And he's got like odds and ends
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  the darksaber. Some, some pieces of other
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  things. He's collected over time, but
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  the picture or the art, Of Satine has a scratch across her
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  neck and a scratch across her eyes.
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  Yes, that is very interesting to me.
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  Yes, it's very fucking creepy. I feel like we've seen it in
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  movies, you know, where you see a serial killer with the picture
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  with the eyes, scratched out, especially yeah.
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  And the eyes have always been an indication of death right there.
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  Even in like the book Something Wicked.
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  This Way Comes one of the witches eyes sewn shut in a
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  cross which is an indication of Death.
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  So it's interesting to me because he he already killed
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  her. Like she's already dead and he's
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  still, it's kind of like, inflicting violence on the image
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  of her still. Yeah.
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  What he's doing is taking away her life in the eyes and taking
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  away her voice in the neck. Hmm, and that's essentially what
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  he did. He silenced her and he got rid
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  of her. And why does he hate her so
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  much? Is it because She.
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  Well, first of all she was a pacifist.
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  So she stood it basically against everything that he
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  believed in, and the Sith code for that matter and pieces.
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  Alai, bitch, literally wall is probably scratching out her eyes
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  st. Peter's Fly piece of that
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  eyepieces hot. But at the same time she was
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  also like the biggest connection to Obi-Wan and the fact that he
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  fucking failed even trying to kill her.
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  Yeah. So how I see it?
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  Okay. In the back.
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  Ground when mall first leads Ezra into this back room in here
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  and the death of Eric castle. Yeah.
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  The word on the wall room in blood red his Kenobi.
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  Yeah in Mandalorian. Yeah.
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  It's the Mandalorian. Alphabet and it says Kenobi and
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  there's all these like look like they're Written in Blood like
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  maps and manifestos. Whatever the fuck you want to
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  say like all Under the name. So it's almost like the
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  violence. He attacks on the portrait is
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  like, he kills the teen again. Yeah.
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  Her Toby one, even though it's not even there.
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  It's like it's like he's acting it out again.
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  Even just by himself because he can't do it.
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  He cannot put his ob1 enough in person you know like he didn't
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  make hope he wouldn't crack. He wasn't successful.
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  So he's just keeps replaying the scenario.
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  I just are Hurts so good and so fucking creepy.
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  Did you also notice that satine's theme plays when they
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  show the portrait? Yeah.
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  Like God damn it just keep layering it on its so twisted
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  and menacing and then they throw in her theme to.
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  I it's a little nugget that they added in Rebels that they didn't
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  need to, but it adds to the absolute insanity and Obsession
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  that mall has. Yeah, because he's been doing
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  all this crazy shit with Ezra and it's been dragging out over
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  Seasons, it right away and even like back-to-back episodes.
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  They Were like sprinkled throughout the season for a
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  couple of seasons. If Ezra had even fucking picked
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  up on any of this, he would have liked.
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  Hello, knock knock. Is anyone there?
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  No, he's a, I know. He's a fucking kid.
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  But like, come on. Oh my God.
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  Yeah, look around. Read the room as well.
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  Literally, it's on to the wall. Like you happened upon a
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  mysterious stranger on moraband. Like don't trust them.
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  No, no pretty straightforward. I would say.
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  I have thoughts. I mean, he's going to these
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  insane extents? Right to trick Ezra because it's
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  probably kind of entertaining and to especially get get the
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  better of Canaan. Not cuz he has anything personal
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  against Canaan but because it's probably fun to fuck with
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  Canaan. Oh yeah.
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  You can fuck with a Jedi's gonna do it.
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  Yeah. And he's he's saying to Ezra the
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  four episodes, right? That like we have the same goal
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  in mind like we're gonna I hate the Sith.
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  Also, I have my reasons for wanting revenge on the Sith.
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  He's doing all this fucking shit so he can get the to holocron so
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  he can find out where Obi-Wan is living.
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  Yeah. Yeah, I mean, its peak
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  Obsession, I don't even have another word for it.
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  It's just, it is on another level.
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  It's good PC. I Makes so many noises.
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  They don't have anything to say. It's just an annoys Fest.
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  The, the reason these two deserve two episodes worth of
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  discussion, is because Of the insane length that you just
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  described that mall, goes through for one person.
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  It is the hyper Focus that Palpatine has for the entire
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  galaxy boiled into one person. It's like and we'll get to
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  Palpatine has Connection in all of this because he's the reason
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  that Obi-Wan and mall are similar.
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  He's their Link in similarity because he actually was
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  manipulating both of them. Yeah, yeah, on separate ends.
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  Yeah. Again, he's Palpatine is in the
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  back room. His own back room with his own
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  Shrine. Yes.
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  Sir. Connecting dots and wires and
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  strings to all the different ways that he can manipulate
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  everyone and keep his story straight.
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  It's fucking crazy when I was re watching the episode with the
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  shrine, I was thinking about how you're saying that it's always
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  sunny. Reference with the like map with
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  all the. It's like this is literally what
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  ball is doing and literally with one person.
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  He's that he's the serial killer that has like news clippings of
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  like Obi-Wan is like the FBI agent.
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  Who knows him so well, that the Wright brothers fixated on him.
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  Yeah, no one else can apprehend this serial killer.
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  Except the man who knows him best?
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  I mean, it's it's a really good if you were to change the song
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  and make it real life. Like alternate universe stuff.
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  Hmm. This would be a really good
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  Crime Story. It would you can just repurpose
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  the plot into like a modern-day crime would be amazing.
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  Honestly, I would read that. Maybe I'll write it.
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  I'm sitting here considering it like do it.
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  Oh my gosh. You should.
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  I love like FBI crime. Murder mystery shit.
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  So yeah I know an odd amount about serial killers.
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  Yes, I think that's just like a thing.
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  It, have you seen that Saturday Night Live?
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  Oh, I have. Yeah, the commercial about how
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  women like their husbands or their out for the night and
• 23:58
  women and hit the like, what are you gonna do?
• 24:00
  Oh, just gonna hang out and like what they're really doing is
• 24:03
  drinking wine and watching my order for yes that's me.
• 24:07
  That's me, that's me. I just like how the mind works
• 24:12
  that's why I'm all is so interesting to me because he has
• 24:15
  the mind of someone. Yeah.
• 24:18
  That is on par with some of the most notorious killers in our
• 24:22
  history. He's yeah, he's got that
• 24:25
  Sinister, really smart, really covers his tracks noses, his
• 24:32
  subject knows how to re very Charming.
• 24:37
  Yeah, he's got that sociopathic. Mmm.
• 24:41
  You know, can bend anyone to get what he needs to make this
• 24:44
  happen except except Obi-Wan. Yeah, I Loved how he talked to
• 24:49
  Canaan, right? Right, though.
• 24:53
  So interesting because at moments, you just don't know if
• 24:57
  you should trust him and it's my no more than ever and Rebels,
• 25:01
  like, especially when Ezra has the holocron yeah.
• 25:06
  And while says jump, trust me and Ezra jumps and more catches
• 25:12
  the holocron and not Ezra, and he's pulling up by the holocron.
• 25:16
  And you're like, is he gonna kill them?
• 25:18
  It and they give them like a look in his eye for a minute and
• 25:21
  then he changes his mind and saves the boy as well as I
• 25:25
  usually saves the boys because he can still use them.
• 25:28
  Exactly out of pity. Still useful.
• 25:30
  Exactly all the way up through. Okay, so let me ask you this,
• 25:34
  speaking of Ezra and his usefulness, hmm.
• 25:37
  How do you feel about as for being in the Twin Suns episode,
• 25:41
  I don't like it. I don't think he has any reason
• 25:43
  to be there. I don't.
• 25:45
  Yeah, he should have been discarded out of the store.
• 25:48
  Three prior to this. This doesn't have anything to do
• 25:50
  with him. He was a means to an end for
• 25:52
  mall, but he didn't need to meet Obi-Wan.
• 25:55
  Yeah. He was there and then he wasn't
• 25:58
  Obi-Wan sent him on his way. And I don't see the the walking
• 26:02
  through the desert and passing out and he awakes with Obi-Wan,
• 26:06
  it's just like, it's so unnecessary.
• 26:09
  It feels really forced. Yeah, it didn't.
• 26:12
  Maybe they were trying to bridge the gap but I don't think it was
• 26:17
  necessary. They could have They were using
• 26:19
  as is like a means to manipulate Obi-Wan's compassion.
• 26:25
  Yeah, well they couldn't use anybody to do that.
• 26:27
  You could have used any one literally and not and the tusken
• 26:31
  Raiders and all the all this stuff.
• 26:34
  It's just yeah. And then Ezra goes back to the
• 26:38
  rebel base and says I shouldn't have lived.
• 26:41
  This is my home, this is my family, it's like, yeah, because
• 26:43
  this was an unnecessary plot Divergence that went nowhere.
• 26:48
  Yeah, see. We're not we're not afraid to
• 26:49
  criticize Dave filoni and team. Yeah, I know.
• 26:54
  Rebels is very, very popular, and we probably got have the
• 26:57
  popular opinion on this, but I never liked this story.
• 27:03
  The twin Suns episode, I don't like it except the part between
• 27:08
  mall and ob1 and seeing how they both are this point.
• 27:13
  I loved the famous Kenobi. Scream!
• 27:16
  Yes! Well, I that that lives.
• 27:18
  For me, thank you, right Sam, Witwer forever for doing that.
• 27:23
  I don't like every vein and is never stopping that thing has
• 27:28
  been used and reused, and I will always approve of it any time.
• 27:31
  Anyone has something to say about Kenobi, that that gift is
• 27:34
  used so good. Oh my God.
• 27:40
  Maybe I'll add the sound bite in here just like it's do it.
• 27:44
  It's so short I can use it. It's so So, epic Kenobi. so twin
• 27:55
  Sons, I we've discussed the duel before and it is A lot of people
• 28:01
  had thoughts that that's it. No, that was it.
• 28:06
  It was well done in my opinion, especially if you've watched
• 28:10
  them through their entire cycle. And you see that epic fucking
• 28:16
  crazy long duel and Phantom Menace, that goes off for 45
• 28:20
  minutes and then the duels that they have in Clone Wars are yes,
• 28:26
  longer. If you're an intelligent
• 28:30
  swordsman, you're learning from each encounter.
• 28:34
  Correct. A so by the time 0, b, 1 is in
• 28:37
  the desert, the Kenobi Series has already happened by twin
• 28:41
  Sons, mmm-hmm he's already fought Vader, right?
• 28:47
  So if he has that strength, which I know didn't exist when
• 28:51
  they wrote Rebels, but let's look at it with the full
• 28:54
  perspective, right? Yeah.
• 28:57
  Mall is nothing. Compared to what he's already
• 29:00
  dealt with, and he's seen it before, mall is so predictable.
• 29:05
  He's been down this path a thousand times at this point
• 29:08
  with this individual and it's, it's nothing to Obi-Wan.
• 29:14
  You said yeah it's just Molly's nothing three strikes and he's
• 29:18
  down that's it, right? And real swordplay swordplay but
• 29:23
  like swordsmanship isn't that about having a long extended
• 29:28
  dual real swordsmanship is Quick.
• 29:34
  Yeah, get it over with. Look at an example Raji right.
• 29:39
  They have a series of cuts where it's like the first is the blade
• 29:43
  comes out. The second is the blade either.
• 29:45
  Severs the neck or the inside of your thigh.
• 29:49
  Yep. And then they kill you.
• 29:50
  It's the three-step process. Yeah.
• 29:53
  So it's about efficiency and and Obi-Wan has something to protect
• 30:01
  that is more more important than anything before and Mall knows
• 30:06
  it. And Mall says it and I do like
• 30:07
  that moment where they just time is up malls.
• 30:12
  Only got a few things to say and he chooses to ask the question,
• 30:17
  are you here to protect the chosen one or whatever?
• 30:19
  His phrasing is and yeah Obi-Wan's like yeah and it makes
• 30:25
  it clear. At that point you can take
• 30:28
  absolutely anyone at this point away from Obi-Wan but you won't
• 30:30
  take that child. No yeah.
• 30:33
  He's the hope. The hope he is Future and and
• 30:37
  Mall says, so at least, he will avenge both of us because fuckin
• 30:40
  Palpatine is the reason these two motherfuckers came together
• 30:43
  in the first place. And why all this manipulation
• 30:47
  all this loss? All this Revenge building up on
• 30:49
  malls part, you know, his abandonment and is he being used
• 30:53
  and then even sauvage being used and discarded and all of this.
• 30:58
  It's Palpatine and Luke's going to take care of it.
• 31:02
  Luke and Leia But, you know, at this point.
• 31:06
  Yeah. Is it really is a beautiful
• 31:10
  combination because mall is peaceful at this point.
• 31:13
  He needed Obi-Wan to kill him to relieve him of this fucking
• 31:18
  suffering. Yeah, yes.
• 31:20
  And this was the only way it had to happen and for op1 to have
• 31:25
  that compassion at the end. Well, for a man who took his
• 31:30
  mentor, his love, his hole. Whole like life and turned it on
• 31:36
  its head for him, to still be able to find compassion and
• 31:39
  maybe he wouldn't have gotten there.
• 31:41
  If he hadn't have had the experience that happened in the
• 31:44
  Kenobi Series. So, very true, very true.
• 31:47
  That changed his perspective on everything.
• 31:49
  Yeah. And when you tie, all all of
• 31:53
  Obi-Wan's stories together, they actually fit very nicely.
• 31:57
  You know, they really are complementary, even though they
• 32:00
  were written way out of order. Right.
• 32:03
  And I think they've done a nice job of putting everything in in
• 32:08
  a perspective that makes sense for him.
• 32:10
  For the most part, I do want to say that Obi-Wan's compassion,
• 32:16
  that is displayed at the end there, the way he cradles them,
• 32:19
  the way he closes his eyes, he builds him a pyre, it's this
• 32:22
  whole thing, and there's this weird understanding that, I
• 32:26
  think Obi-Wan came to find that. There's pity he actually had
• 32:29
  pity I think from all because, You look at someone and the
• 32:35
  amount of hate they Harbor. They're not happy.
• 32:40
  Yeah, he saw Anakin literally take the form of Darth Vader.
• 32:45
  And how? What anger and hate did to him.
• 32:48
  Literally changed his best friend, his brother into
• 32:51
  something. Unrecognizable not just in like
• 32:55
  visually, but like, emotionally, totally changed individual, and
• 33:01
  he sees what hate. Can do.
• 33:04
  And that you would pity anyone that has that much hate in
• 33:07
  their, in their heart, wasn't by choice, was it by upbringing,
• 33:13
  You could argue any of this. But that you always choose in
• 33:15
  the end how to act, but the the amount of hate that one Harbors.
• 33:22
  It's just, it's unnatural and I think Obi-Wan new it and the
• 33:27
  pity he had, you know, this was a lost soul.
• 33:31
  From start to finish, despite all the things that he took from
• 33:34
  Obi-Wan. You found it in his heart to be
• 33:37
  like, you know what? This this, this individual this
• 33:42
  Add. All of this hate and lost his
• 33:46
  life for it, like, literally lost his life.
• 33:49
  He could have turned it around. Yeah.
• 33:51
  And you already watched Anakin lose his life to this hate.
• 33:55
  Yeah. I would have compassion to
• 33:57
  because who the fuck would want that for anybody?
• 33:59
  Yeah that's a really beautiful perspective to draw honestly.
• 34:03
  It's such a, it's such an interesting cycle and it's a
• 34:07
  full complete cycle. And I do feel sorry for Mall,
• 34:12
  you know it's potential wasted total waste.
• 34:16
  Yeah, and I feel bad for anyone who's just discarded.
• 34:21
  Yeah. What they do after that is on
• 34:24
  them, that's their choice. But we've seen Ventress
• 34:29
  discarded. We've seen Ahsoka discarded.
• 34:34
  Yeah. You know, in a way and anyone
• 34:37
  who's ever had that happen that Talking Cuts deep, right?
• 34:42
  Yeah, and man, I I feel bad for mall but every choice he made
• 34:48
  after being discarded was on him.
• 34:51
  Absolutely. Yeah.
• 34:53
  Yeah. Because at that point he was
• 34:55
  free of Sidious is manipulation and those.
• 34:57
  Yeah, he choices. He was making.
• 34:59
  He lived in Anger to sustain himself.
• 35:02
  That was his, he could have just, you know, died in Star
• 35:09
  Wars Not have that but no not allowed.
• 35:13
  And I would like to ask Mall as he's in Obi-Wan's arms.
• 35:16
  I would like to have asked him. All is peace like a lie because
• 35:21
  you finally found it. Yeah, I hope so.
• 35:24
  Like you hope that even in that last moment he does seem to find
• 35:29
  some sort of resolution. I hope so because every living
• 35:33
  being deserves that imagine, you know, you burned your whole life
• 35:38
  and have nothing and then you go into death.
• 35:40
  With nothing and that's really sorry.
• 35:42
  Did you say burn your life to see a sunrise?
• 35:44
  You'll never have to for a sunrise, you'll never see ya.
• 35:48
  I guess I'm just stealing and are quotes from the for the rest
• 35:53
  of my life now that shit's burned into my memory so that's
• 35:56
  not going anywhere. Same goddamn, it is it good, we
• 36:01
  love you. Star Wars, even if you are
• 36:03
  painful, rest in peace, small, bye.
• 36:11
  Could you go back to our listener question?
• 36:20
  This week is how would you rate the twin Suns episode and the
• 36:25
  Dual specifically between Obi-Wan and Mall?
• 36:28
  Did you love it? Did it leave you wanting more?
• 36:31
  Was it perfect? How do you rate this episode?
• 36:37
  And we'll be running social media polls to follow.
• 36:40
  This up with so yes, let us know.
• 36:46
  Okay. Next week we are getting back
• 36:48
  into analyzing Clone Wars episodes and we're gonna keep
• 36:51
  the Twisted going with The kadavo Arc.
• 36:56
  We are going to Deep dive into this one because it's good and
• 36:59
  we've talked about it before but we're going to get real deep
• 37:02
  into these epic. Yes.
• 37:03
  And we're going to do them in installment.
• 37:05
  So join us back here. We're going to cut a Vo.
• 37:12
  Last week, we talked about the Obi-Wan and Mall in the earlier
• 37:16
  part of their Glides. So hmm, what was it Phantom?
• 37:21
  Menace through Revival and one of our listeners, Kenobi wolf
• 37:26
  sent us this comment. Hi Kenobi wolf.
• 37:30
  Sorry. He said I think they both have a
• 37:35
  Relentless passion or a Relentless determination.
• 37:38
  It's applied very Differently Kenobi is selfless and he
• 37:41
  applies that to helping others and all the pain.
• 37:44
  He absorbs, he has his moments but he doesn't get off course,
• 37:48
  whereas mall, I think the same is true for mall.
• 37:51
  After he comes back from the trash file, he is Relentless,
• 37:55
  and he sticks with it, but he causes pain.
• 37:57
  Whereas Obi-Wan absorbs, the pain.
• 38:00
  Yes, that's excellent. Kenobi wolf.
• 38:03
  You always have really good Insight, really good comments
• 38:06
  and that that does not disappoint this one.
• 38:08
  No. He's cracked Obi-Wan absorbs, it
• 38:12
  and makes himself better because of it.
• 38:15
  Yeah. And Mall shows how being to
• 38:19
  single-minded actually kind of destroys you?
• 38:23
  Yeah, yeah, excellent comment. I thought that was a great
• 38:27
  Insight. Thank you so much for such.
• 38:30
  A, an awesome comment. As usual, as usual, wolf, as per
• 38:38
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• 38:39
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• 38:42
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• 38:45
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• 39:19
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