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Conservative CIVIL WAR. Who Will Lead MAGA? Ep 07 · The Mark Driscoll Show

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  Well howdy and welcome back to the Mark Driscoll Show.
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  I'm your Co host Landon Chase and we've got another great kick
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  to the hornet's nest. This week the Catholic Church
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  has gone from blessing some Arctic ice to blessing illegal
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  immigration. We bring back Peter the Apostle
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  with AI to ask him what he'd say to America.
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  I give you the secret to purchasing your first home
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  without having $1,000,000 in the bank.
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  And we discussed the ongoing civil war in the conservative
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  movement between Mega and America First.
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  And lastly, we'll read some of the mean comments we've been
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  getting. Shocking.
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  And hopefully you'll have the tissues at ready, because
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  they're brutal. This is an episode you won't
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  want to miss. As pastors, we, the bishops of
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  the United States, are bound to our people by ties of communion
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  and compassion in our Lord Jesus Christ, and we are disturbed
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  when we see among our people a climate of fear and anxiety
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  around questions of profiling and immigration enforcement.
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  We are saddened by the state of contemporary debate and the
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  vilification of immigrants. We are concerned about the
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  conditions in detention centers and the lack of access to
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  pastoral care. Human dignity and national
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  security are not in conflict. Both are possible if people of
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  goodwill work together. We recognize that nations have a
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  responsibility to regulate their borders and establish a just and
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  orderly immigration system. Without such processes,
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  immigrants face a risk of trafficking and other forms of
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  exploitation. To our immigrant brothers and
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  sisters, we stand with you in your suffering.
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  Since when 1 member suffers, all suffer.
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  You are not alone. We oppose the indiscriminate
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  mass deportation of people. We pray for an end to
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  dehumanizing rhetoric and violence, whether directed at
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  immigrants or at. Law enforcement.
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  Wow, these guys just seem really fun.
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  Pastor Mark. Good times.
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  Yeah, really good times anyways. Yeah, the world's getting really
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  weird. It's very, I think the reason we
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  we bring this up today is it's just confusing how soft they are
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  being on things like deportation, immigration, that
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  kind of thing. But they're holding such good
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  and firm stances on LGBTQ marriages for one man, one
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  woman. They're very clear on some
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  things and very murky on others. And then we can get into a
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  minute. But there's also like, they're
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  getting funding from, yeah, from, from groups from the
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  federal government, hundreds of millions of dollars to
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  facilitate housing for immigrants.
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  So yeah, it's just confusing. Yeah.
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  So let me start your really big picture.
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  So there's kind of three major teams within Christianity,
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  Orthodox, Protestant, Catholic, Catholic are brothers and
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  sisters in Christ. We agree on the closed handed
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  issues in the church creed. So we're talking about, you
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  know, church that is part of the capital C Church of Jesus
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  Christ. And, and so it's, it's a
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  discussion and a debate and a dialogue within.
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  And then within the history of Christianity, across Protestant,
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  Orthodox and Catholic, there is something called the two
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  kingdoms. And it's this theology that
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  comes from the Bible. And that is that there is, to
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  quote Augustine, there's the, the, the city of God, the city
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  of man, the Kingdom of God, the Kingdom of man.
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  Jesus talks about this when he's like, well, render unto Caesar
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  what is Caesar's. That's the Kingdom of man render
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  unto God what is God. So that's the Kingdom of God.
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  So you get God in government. And they're they're separate,
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  they're distinct, they're different.
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  And then the question is what role does the church have in
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  regards to the state? And part of the function of the
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  church is to be the conscience and the moral guide for the
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  state. And so, you know, there is a
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  right place for Christians and Christian leaders, denominations
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  to speak into political and cultural issues.
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  That's part of our our responsibility as a Christian.
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  Part of the problem that the Catholic Church has is they are
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  a global movement. And so they don't think in
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  nationalistic terms. Before we get into some of the
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  criticism, let's say what they're doing right.
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  Like you said, they've remained staunchly pro-life, which is
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  awesome. I wish that some bishops would
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  enforce that with, you know, pro murderous, highly progressive
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  political leaders who are still practicing Catholic communion,
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  for example, and should be excommunicated as well.
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  They have held the line generally on issues of gender
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  and mutilation of children. And even this last week, the
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  American bishops came out for the Catholic Church and they
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  declared that there would be no transgender surgeries done in
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  Catholic hospitals or medical facilities.
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  So we say, great, let's let's rejoice, let's honor, let's
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  thank, and let's celebrate and let's congratulate.
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  When it comes to issue of borders, part of the reason that
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  the Catholic Church struggles again is being a global movement
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  with all the nations. They have a hard time thinking
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  in terms of national interest, and when it says that they
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  oppose mass deportation, well, wouldn't it require mass
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  deportation if there was mass invasion?
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  And so if your borders are unsecured and a bunch of people
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  illegally enter into your country, isn't justice telling
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  them that they need to leave or requiring them to leave and then
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  go through the legal process by which to enter?
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  And the lack of borders, they talk about it, but it leads to
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  human trafficking. It leads to, I mean, we've got,
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  I think 300,000 children that are just missing.
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  You've got the abuse of women that are being trafficked as
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  well. And so those who would say that,
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  you know, the poor need to have the eradication of borders,
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  well, then they're also really taken advantage of in a, in a
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  horrifying, disturbing way. Like, we're here in Arizona, and
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  this may be too much, you know, graphic information.
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  But along the southern border during the Biden administration,
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  there were rape trees. And these are trees at the
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  border that are filled with women's undergarments because as
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  men would sexually assault women and children, they would throw
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  their undergarments in the tree as sort of a trophy.
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  It's like, well, how do you call that, you know, love and
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  justice? And how do you call that
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  freedom? It's not, it's, it's it, it's
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  horror, it's terror, It's it's trauma, it's abuse.
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  And so, you know, as as functional men, we've got to say
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  protecting women and children is important.
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  Thereby, you know, an immigration system that puts
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  people in a a fair, expeditious process and keeps them from
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  being trafficked or, you know, brought into country by coyotes
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  is I mean, that's just part of caring for humanity, but within
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  it as well. We can get into the details, but
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  here's what I think is so weird. The Vatican is a country.
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  It has a very secure border, and no one's allowed to immigrate
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  into that country per person. It's, I believe, the richest
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  country on earth. That's crazy.
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  And so Vatican City could really help a lot of the poor if it
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  opened its doors and allowed immigration and spend some money
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  to care for those who are needing to be cared for.
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  Crazy. They believe in walls and doors
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  and. Locks, yeah.
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  So like if you go to the Vatican, you'll be met with
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  walls and doors and soldiers. And if you would like to apply
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  for asylum or citizenship, you can't because it's one country
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  that no one can immigrate into. Just I think it's been, it's a.
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  Fun fact. That's a very fun fact.
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  It's a very fun fact. So they're just, so they're
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  taking in all this money to encourage.
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  I mean, this is almost kind of like propaganda trying to get
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  people within the Catholic Church to encourage immigration.
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  But they are very protective of themselves.
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  But they're great with all these other countries leading the the
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  way. Yeah, Yeah.
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  Well, you know, take the doors off the hinge at Vatican City
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  and, you know, practice what you preach.
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  I love it. And again, like, there's no, I
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  mean, actually, I'm a big fan of legal immigration, bringing in
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  people that are going to add value to the country, that are
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  motivated to work, that are chasing the American dream.
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  And part of what is causing the Catholics to speak out is a lot
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  of people who are, you know, coming into the country, even
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  illegally, they're also Catholic.
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  And what I would say is in a puff piece, PR piece like this,
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  I would say, and for those of you who are Catholic, obey the
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  law, obey the law. Go Romans 13, you know,
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  governing authorities obey the law.
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  So if you're Catholic and you want to enter into a nation,
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  please do so legally by following the laws of that
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  nation. But they never say that.
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  So they don't encourage Catholics to obey the law.
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  They encourage those who are not Catholic to overlook the fact
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  that many who are Catholic did disobey the law.
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  Yeah. And just from a a Bible
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  teaching, stewarding, pastoral perspective, that's not
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  tremendous fidelity. I would tell the people you know
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  who listen to me or in our church, obey the law and only
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  practice civil disobedience if the government is requiring you
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  to do something that is against God or is denying you the
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  opportunity to do something that God commands.
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  God doesn't. God doesn't command people to
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  move to another country. And and it's not forbidden for
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  them to move so long as they undergo the legal process.
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  So this is not civil disobedience.
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  Yeah. So this doesn't measure the
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  biblical, historical, theological criteria for defying
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  the law and the principles laid down in Romans 13.
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  So it would have been helpful if they said obey the law, be a
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  good citizen, get in line, go through the process.
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  Totally. And it is, it is odd to have
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  like they have one spokesperson that leads all the churches like
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  that would be pretty weird. We talked about Big Eva and the
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  American Church like we don't have one person that's speaking
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  for everyone and follow suit this way and feels like if if it
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  was in American Christianity, it would get very corrupt very
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  quickly. Do you believe like the Catholic
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  Church as an organization could be corrupt?
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  Yeah, Anything that is big invariably has corruption
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  because it's like that. So I always use the analogy the
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  I love the television show alone, you know, and the goal
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  there. That's like a vacation for you.
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  You're like, Oh my gosh, that's just.
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  I was like one of my 10 items would be a Bible and literally I
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  would just fast for 40 days. I would be good.
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  And so, but in a loan, the goal is always at the beginning, like
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  we need to get a big game kill, go get an elk or something.
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  And then they think, OK, that's it.
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  I've won a loan. If you don't know the show
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  alone, they drop in the middle of nowhere.
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  You get 10 items and you need to get food, water, shelter, fire,
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  and then the last person standing either because they
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  didn't tap out or medically, you know, get pulled out.
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  They went alone and usually it's a big quarter, $1,000,000 payday
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  or what have you. But the problem is if you get
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  the big game hunt, you spend the rest of the show trying to ward
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  off the predators. So you get the elk and then you
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  go to bed and in the middle of the night the fox got in and
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  took a bunch of you out. So the bigger an organization
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  gets, it's how do you keep the predators out?
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  And there's always people that they're crooked and they're
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  crooks. And we see this even in the
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  ministry of Jesus. He's got Judas Iscariot.
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  And so Judas is the the money guy, he's the CFO and he's
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  stealing the whole time. And so if Jesus has somebody
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  who's corrupt in his ministry, there's going to be corruption
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  in any organization. And the more resources you get,
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  the more attempts there will be for corruption to happen.
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  Yeah. So within the Catholic Church, a
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  part of what is happening as well.
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  And I know you've got this in the notes.
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  Maybe you can explain what Megan Bastian?
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  You know, let me just read it to you, she says.
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  Oh, give me a break. The reason US Conference of
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  Catholic Bishops is speaking out against Trump's deportation of
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  illegal immigrants is directly cuts into their own funding.
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  The federal government was paying them hundreds of millions
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  of dollars to facilitate housing for immigrants.
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  Feels a little corrupt. Well, at that point, you're
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  like, hey, you know, we're for this.
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  It's like, but are you getting paid for this?
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  Then you have a conflict of interest.
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  Similarly, I was talking to a pastor, a good man, and a friend
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  of mine in New York. And what happened there is when
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  they had this flood of immigrants, illegal immigrants,
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  the government went to the churches and said we would like
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  to rent your facility to house migrants.
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  So there were lots of churches that rented out to the
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  government to house migrants. But now the churches are no
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  longer holding services. And now the churches are
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  financially dependent on the government.
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  Shockingly, those churches were woke, apostate, liberal, and
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  they are teaching things that are against the Bible and God,
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  and they're for the government because they're hirelings.
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  And so Jesus has nothing good to say about hirelings.
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  And a hireling is somebody who's getting paid, and that
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  compromises their message. And so, you know, when you're
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  getting paid by the government to house illegal immigrants, and
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  then your message is that you are for illegal immigrants, you
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  have to ask yourself, am I now a hireling?
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  Yeah. Would you take that check as a
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  senior pastor? No, yeah, because at the end of
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  the day, I believe that the function of the church is
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  prophetic, that it has to be on the margins.
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  It needs to maintain independence and autonomy so
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  that it can speak with truth and authority.
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  This is why I think, honestly, I think This is why being part of
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  a denomination or a network today is really difficult
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  because if the, if the leadership is not entirely
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  corrupt, but not also entirely pure, it's hard to maintain
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  purity of message when you're under authority that isn't
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  entirely pure, you know, and, and so, and people have become
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  jaded just of, you know, institutions in general.
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  I mean, even just thinking about it right now, it's I, I haven't
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  really spent a lot of time pondering it, but the Catholic
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  Church is massive. I mean, I think they're the
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  biggest landholder. The biggest landholding
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  institution in the world after governments.
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  And part of it is too, that this will sound negative, but these
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  are men who don't have families. They don't have wives, they
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  don't have kids, they don't own homes, they don't pay mortgages,
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  they don't have property taxes, and they don't have heirs.
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  That does affect how you view business.
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  This does affect how you view taxes and real estate costs and
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  investments and the future if you take a vow of celibacy and
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  poverty. And it's like the church owns
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  everything. I live at the church.
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  I have no wife, I have no kids, I pay no mortgage, I don't have
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  an interest rate, I don't have a family to feed and I don't have
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  heirs to consider. That causes you to have leaders
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  that are not necessarily business minded and think like
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  fathers. Even though they're called
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  fathers, they're not really fathers and they don't really
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  think like fathers. Ergo, if you bring 1020 million
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  people into your country illegally in a surge and now
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  they need a place to live, now you're driving housing prices up
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  because it's a supply demand market.
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  Now you are seeing the adjustment in the housing
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  market. And now you're considering what
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  this will do to your children when they get married and they
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  need to get housing. And now you're thinking
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  strategically about the housing market, and you're thinking
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  about interest rates and you're thinking about supply chain and
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  you're thinking about supply and demand.
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  And if you're a single guy, all you're thinking about is I live
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  in a free house. I guess everybody should get a
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  free house. Yeah, yeah.
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  And so this is where the qualifications for a leader in
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  the Bible and I love my Catholic friends and I was raised
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  Catholic and I have no beef with the Catholic Church and I went
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  to Catholic school and I was born in a Catholic hospital.
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  I was baptized in the Catholic Church like my my grandma became
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  a pre Vatican 2 Latin masked nun after my grandfather died.
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  But if you look at the qualifications in this, he says
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  as pastors, First Timothy 3, Titus 1, the qualifications,
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  good husband and father and their qualifications are you're
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  not allowed to be a husband or a father.
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  That does affect how you see certain events and certain
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  things. And it affects the type of men
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  that would sign up for. It and it does affect the kind
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  of men that sign up for it. And so, you know, they're
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  looking at the poor, which the Bible does care about all
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  people, and we should care for Christian brothers and sisters
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  1st. And those who are poor do need
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  to factor in. But those are exhortations to
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  churches, not governments. And the the church needs to be
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  the conscience of the government.
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  But at the end of the day, you can't just quote verses at the
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  government and tell them to do what let's say, for example, the
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  apostle Paul told the church at Corinth.
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  Because again, back to the two kingdoms, there's a difference
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  between government and God, between church and state.
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  Yeah. 100% it's the, the Pope tweeted kind of in response to
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  this. I'm just, we can close it out
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  there on your thoughts there. I urge heads of States and
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  leaders of nations to listen to the cry of the poorest.
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  There can be no peace without justice.
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  The poor remind us of this in many ways, through immigration
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  or through migration, as well as through their cries, which are
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  often stifled by the myth of well-being and progress, which
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  does not take everyone into account.
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  It kind of sounds like socialism, but.
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  It does sound like socialism adjacent, and again, the the
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  goal of a nation is to do best by its citizens.
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  And the best thing to do is to welcome people to join the
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  nation who won, sharing its values and history #2 want to
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  improve it in the present and #3 want to leave it better in the
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  future. And unless you do that, you
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  cease to have a nation. Yeah, it's yeah, it all it all,
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  it all confuses me a lot and feels a little corrupt from just
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  a capitalistic perspective. I'm like if if any of the
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  churches were this big in America, if if the AG church or.
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  Yeah, any of the the big denominations got this big, it'd
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  be like, and you were around this long and you were taking
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  Hi, Grandma. Hey Charlie, how was school
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  today? It was really fun.
• 22:46
  I'm in this crazy shot in. Basketball.
• 22:48
  I don't really care that much about basketball.
• 22:50
  What about the crush? Stop, Grandma.
• 22:53
  Stop. Talking.
• 22:53
  Just tell me one thing. Look.
• 22:55
  Who's going to be a great grandmother?
• 22:56
  Oh, Charlie, congratulations. She says that he's been kicking
• 23:01
  a lot though, so like a little too much.
• 23:04
  Tell her to put her hand on her tummy and hummed him.
• 23:08
  You've loved that. You would have loved this
• 23:12
  moment. You can call anytime.
• 23:21
  OK mom, I just need a quick video.
• 23:22
  Is this like an audition or something?
• 23:25
  No, mom, just. 3 minutes. You need my best site.
• 23:29
  I can play the piano. I am.
• 23:33
  I'm absolutely. I'm your mother, after all.
• 23:36
  So pretty crazy it's a new software, got a lot of negative
• 23:40
  hate online. It's very concerning because
• 23:45
  we'll be able to bring people to like, you're going to pass away
• 23:48
  one day, 30-40, fifty years from now, whatever it is.
• 23:52
  And I could record you and tech is only going to get a lot
• 23:55
  better. And then you could be speaking
• 23:56
  to my son and then his son and giving them wisdom, all kinds of
• 24:01
  things. And there's probably a part that
• 24:02
  sounds like, oh, that that'd be cool.
• 24:04
  But you're adding AI into it. It's not just like Bop sent a
• 24:08
  bunch of videos on to future generations.
• 24:10
  It's a version of Bop influenced by AI in the entire Internet and
• 24:15
  the demonic potentially. Like it's it's not you so it's
• 24:19
  not like a a sweet family memory.
• 24:21
  It's So what? What's your impression right off
• 24:23
  the bat? Horrifying, it says at the end
• 24:27
  last forever. And it's like, well, the reason
• 24:30
  there is death is because there is sin, and the only answer to
• 24:37
  death is to trust that Jesus died for our sins so we could
• 24:42
  live. And so this is an attempted
• 24:45
  immortality apart from God, and that is a counterfeit of the
• 24:50
  gospel of Jesus Christ. In addition, what you're dealing
• 24:56
  with is a counterfeit version. What I always say God creates,
• 24:58
  Satan counterfeits. This is not the person.
• 25:01
  This is a counterfeit of the person, and this is a
• 25:04
  counterfeit of the person that has no soul.
• 25:06
  See what makes like you've got a beautiful baby boy.
• 25:11
  He's big boy now too. You know, he calls me Bop and we
• 25:15
  have a relationship because I have a soul and the soul is the
• 25:19
  deepest, truest part of me. And the the Bible says to be
• 25:23
  absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
• 25:26
  So even when my body stops, my soul does not.
• 25:29
  So the soul is the deepest part of me and AI and technology,
• 25:34
  there's no soul. So that leaves a vacuum to be
• 25:38
  filled by the demonic, by the demonic and and, and if I was
• 25:44
  Satan and demons, I'd be like, this is fantastic opportunity
• 25:49
  and just think about. Let me just take this to a
• 25:55
  logical conclusion that is horrifying.
• 25:59
  What about if we bring back dead dictators?
• 26:02
  What if we bring Hitler back? What if we bring back Mussolini?
• 26:07
  What if we bring back Pulpa? What if we bring back dictators?
• 26:11
  And now we are, we're asking them questions, you know, what
• 26:16
  should we do with the Jews? What, what should we do, you
• 26:18
  know, with whatever. And then we're, we're actually
• 26:21
  treating them as if they are alive and we're relating to
• 26:24
  them. What about cult leaders you
• 26:27
  could feed into AI? You know, Marilyn Manson, you
• 26:30
  could feed into AI, whoever, whatever you want.
• 26:33
  And now you're having them function in a demonic,
• 26:37
  counterfeit way like the Antichrist.
• 26:39
  Now let's, let's get even darker as AI goes with robotics.
• 26:45
  Oh gosh, now you've got counterfeit human beings without
• 26:51
  a soul going into a counterfeit body, and now they're walking
• 26:56
  around and you know as well as I do that eventually robotics and
• 27:00
  AI is going to get very lifelike.
• 27:03
  Oh yeah. For sure.
• 27:05
  And now start to think about the perversion in the porn industry
• 27:09
  and the sexualization of all of this.
• 27:12
  You know for a fact right now that if you do this, there's
• 27:16
  going to be some sicko who's turning grandma into a 20 year
• 27:19
  old and then having a porn relationship with his grandma.
• 27:23
  I mean, so technology is neutral.
• 27:26
  The human heart is wicked people and wicked.
• 27:30
  And without a new heart, you know, this is the essence of the
• 27:34
  new covenant. And Jeremiah 31, God gives us a
• 27:37
  new heart and a new nature. If you take technology and just
• 27:40
  plug it into a sinful, depraved human heart, tremendous evil is
• 27:46
  going to be multiplied out of the human heart.
• 27:48
  And And so, yeah, to me, this is horrifying.
• 27:52
  And you know, I don't want your son, you know, who I love with
• 27:58
  my whole heart, to think in any regards that we still have a
• 28:04
  relationship when I'm gone. I want him as God intends.
• 28:10
  And I hope to live a very long time and be at his wedding and
• 28:13
  meet his kids and be great grandpa and all of that.
• 28:17
  But when the day comes that my life ends, you know, your
• 28:21
  beautiful son needs to go into a grief process.
• 28:24
  He needs to understand the gospel and that the soul is with
• 28:28
  the Lord. And he needs to then not learn
• 28:32
  to talk to his phone. He needs to learn to talk to our
• 28:35
  God. He needs to not, you know, have
• 28:39
  a conversation with BOP. He needs to meet with the Holy
• 28:42
  Spirit and study the Word of God and he needs to take the
• 28:47
  responsibility of being a leader for the next generation.
• 28:51
  As I pass on and eventually you pass on like he's the next man
• 28:55
  up. Our hope and goal is to prepare
• 28:58
  him to, you know, you're the father, you're in first position
• 29:01
  and I'm grandfather. I want to support that.
• 29:03
  Get him ready to be a husband and a father and then a
• 29:06
  grandfather and a leader. And our goal is not for him to
• 29:10
  continually come back to us, but to go forward and to lead and to
• 29:15
  have his own conscience, his own convictions, have his own
• 29:18
  sensitivity to the Holy Spirit, his own knowledge of the
• 29:21
  Scriptures. And for him to undergo the grief
• 29:25
  process when there is death and, and, and all of this really it,
• 29:30
  it may seem short term like it is helpful long term.
• 29:34
  What we're doing here we are, we're running massive
• 29:39
  psychological, spiritual experiments on people with no
• 29:43
  idea of the outcome. And it's not going to be good.
• 29:46
  And all of the reports that we've seen about the more time
• 29:50
  people spend on a screen, the worse their mental health.
• 29:54
  In addition to put a Pagan spin on this.
• 29:57
  So their entire religions that they worship their ancestors,
• 30:01
  Confucianism, Buddhism, a lot of the Eastern religions worship
• 30:04
  their ancestors and even sometimes in Native Americanism,
• 30:07
  they'll worship their ancestors. This is why if you go on to a
• 30:11
  Native American Indian Reservation, you're like, why
• 30:13
  does it look like a third world? Because they, they, they honor
• 30:17
  their ancestors by living like their ancestors.
• 30:20
  So there's no progress. In addition, sometimes when they
• 30:23
  go into a sweat lodge or they'll take peyote, or they'll have a
• 30:28
  dance, they're trying to awaken the dead spirits of relatives.
• 30:31
  Or even when they're doing dances and they'll take the
• 30:35
  sticks and they'll bang on the ground, they're literally trying
• 30:38
  to conjure up the souls of dead relatives from the grave.
• 30:45
  It's called necromancy. You can look it up for yourself.
• 30:49
  Necromancy is consulting with the dead.
• 30:53
  It's witchcraft, it's paganism, it's divination.
• 30:57
  It's forbidden throughout the Old Testament, and this is
• 31:01
  digital divination. This is digital necromancy.
• 31:05
  This is digital demonism. It was a capital offense.
• 31:09
  You were to be stoned to death if you partake to this in any
• 31:14
  way in Leviticus and and it's like, oh.
• 31:18
  It was a problem. Yeah, but it's sweet because my
• 31:21
  son can be connected to dead grandma.
• 31:23
  And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 31:25
  This leads to a lot of other things.
• 31:27
  And it it begs the question, like it, it does feel like this
• 31:30
  is going to get out of control. And I mean, I bet in my lifetime
• 31:33
  there'll be a time where I have to decide, am I going to die?
• 31:37
  And that's a question that probably no other generation has
• 31:40
  ever had had to ask them to this.
• 31:42
  But I'm sure technology be in a place where they can take
• 31:46
  whatever is in me and put it in a robot and I can keep living.
• 31:50
  But are we supposed to? And I think we'll have to answer
• 31:52
  some of those questions as technology is quickly
• 31:56
  exponentially growing. What is the church's role in all
• 32:00
  this? Should the church have a role in
• 32:02
  this? Should government have a role in
• 32:03
  this to put some brakes on this? Yeah.
• 32:06
  And I think, and I'll answer that, but I think even just
• 32:08
  think of it practically, like think of all the very, if this,
• 32:12
  you know, if this does become popular, the incredibly intimate
• 32:17
  personal life details that are living in some server or some
• 32:23
  algorithm somewhere for who knows what.
• 32:27
  I mean, that's terrifying. That's terrifying.
• 32:33
  So yes, I think the church, as these new technologies emerge,
• 32:37
  needs to be the conscience of culture, saying let's consider
• 32:40
  the sinfulness of the human heart, Let's consider the the
• 32:44
  the evil of the demonic, and let's consider the downside, you
• 32:49
  know, which is some of what we're trying to do here.
• 32:51
  In addition, yeah, I think there is a real major requirement of
• 32:57
  government to step in and to not just allow technology to
• 33:04
  manipulate emotions and to monetize, you know, the painful
• 33:11
  loss of loved ones. Because at the end of the day,
• 33:16
  to to use dead grandma to monetize grief and loss and to
• 33:23
  violate privacy with minors. I mean, because again, what
• 33:30
  we're seeing here is we're seeing even in the ad we're
• 33:33
  seeing, we're seeing minors. And you're, you're giving a
• 33:38
  minor a relationship with someone, but it's not someone,
• 33:42
  it's a company. It's a company that can say
• 33:44
  whatever they want and indoctrinate your child in any
• 33:47
  way that they want through grandma.
• 33:50
  So imagine this. Imagine like TikTok with your
• 33:55
  grandma's face on it, the level of influence that that could
• 34:00
  have. I mean we've.
• 34:01
  Already said you're tying together all the memories of a
• 34:03
  lifetime. And then she passes.
• 34:05
  And if your Grandpa George was giving you wisdom, but you
• 34:08
  wouldn't have understood that as a boy who lost at 10, you lose
• 34:12
  grandpa. And then at 12, you're allowed
• 34:14
  to still talk to Grandpa and he's sharing wisdom.
• 34:17
  That sounds like him. It's out of his voice.
• 34:19
  That's confusing. Well, and it, it absolutely
• 34:21
  blurs the line or removes the line between real life and
• 34:26
  fantasy life. And do we want to normalize,
• 34:30
  especially for children, not knowing that, that digital life
• 34:35
  is fantasy and that's different than physical life, which is
• 34:39
  reality. Now what you're doing, you're,
• 34:41
  you're creating a mental health break in a child.
• 34:45
  And, and you're right. I mean, I talk about it all the
• 34:47
  time. My grandpa George died when I
• 34:48
  was 10. You know the story.
• 34:49
  And I, I loved him. I mean, I adored my grandpa.
• 34:52
  He, we were super close. I'll, I'll never forget the day
• 34:55
  that he died. It was devastating, but he died.
• 35:00
  He died and I can't wait to see him in heaven.
• 35:04
  I, I can't wait to introduce him to, you know, my grandkids and,
• 35:10
  and I'm, I love my grandpa. I miss him all the time, but he
• 35:14
  died and he's in the presence of God.
• 35:18
  And the storyline of the Bible is death and resurrection.
• 35:21
  That's what we're about. It's not death and then
• 35:25
  counterfeit resurrection through technology, artificial
• 35:29
  intelligence, platform monetization and, you know,
• 35:35
  demonic necromancy. I mean, to me, this is this is
• 35:39
  not just a bad idea, like it's an assault on the gospel of
• 35:43
  Jesus Christ. Yeah, yeah, I totally agree.
• 35:46
  And we see it spiraling with AI as in general, there was just a
• 35:50
  a family that was suing an AI company because their son was
• 35:54
  using it almost like a therapist and he had suicidal thoughts and
• 35:58
  was talking about it with the AI therapist.
• 36:01
  And AI had no brakes on him killing himself.
• 36:04
  And it there's no friction to it.
• 36:06
  It was just like, yeah, that's probably the logical conclusion.
• 36:09
  And then the son killed himself. And then they find all these
• 36:12
  chats where it was like, oh, my gosh, there was no flag that
• 36:15
  they're not AI is not a mandatory reporter like we are
• 36:18
  as pastors. And so it's pretty, pretty wild
• 36:21
  what we're headed into. So thank.
• 36:23
  Thank you for addressing the topic.
• 36:24
  And so our next one, can young people buy homes?
• 36:28
  So this was a fun one last. Week I'll set you up.
• 36:30
  So here's here's where we put the hose on the hornet's nest.
• 36:35
  Apparently. So the Trump administration is
• 36:38
  floating the concept of a 50 year mortgage.
• 36:41
  And so we we talked about that for young home buyers as the
• 36:45
  market right now, it's hard to enter into for a young home
• 36:48
  buyer with interest rates being high.
• 36:50
  Lots of people freaked out and, and have all kinds of negative
• 36:55
  opinions. So I'm going to ask you because
• 36:56
  you're young, you like finances and economics and you're a
• 37:00
  realtor. And so is home ownership
• 37:05
  something that young people should aspire to?
• 37:08
  Is it a pipe dream unless you're a really high net worth earner?
• 37:12
  And is it OK or is it even aspirational if there is
• 37:18
  something like a 50 year product in the market to get started to
• 37:22
  enter into the market? Yeah, yeah.
• 37:25
  Thank you. Yeah, I'd love to answer it.
• 37:28
  And it was interesting to see the Internet get so angry about
• 37:31
  this. The verse that every Karen
• 37:34
  wanted to use was the rich rule over the poor, and the borrower
• 37:38
  is a slave to the lender. That's not true in the Christian
• 37:42
  context that we are living in today.
• 37:45
  It was under Mosaic law back then, if you defaulted on a
• 37:50
  loan, you were literally a slave.
• 37:52
  We are not literally slaves to a mortgage company.
• 37:55
  We can default on a loan and we got a big credit score hit and
• 38:00
  that's it. And we can't buy a home for 10
• 38:02
  years. That stinks, but it is not
• 38:05
  slavery. So everyone that's using that
• 38:07
  verse to say A50 year mortgage is ungodly, that it doesn't
• 38:11
  work, it's totally out of. Common.
• 38:12
  Well that would mean a 30 year is slave to the lender or a five
• 38:16
  year ARM is still slave to the lender.
• 38:18
  I don't know how what the difference for people with 30 to
• 38:21
  50, but apparently 50 is ungodly, but 30 is the the walk
• 38:26
  of light and then 15 years Dave Ramsey's.
• 38:30
  I mean it's a path to heaven. And I got attacked by a Dave
• 38:32
  Ramsey guy. Well and if you can do 15 year?
• 38:35
  It's awesome. Praise God.
• 38:36
  And if you could make additional payments toward your principal?
• 38:40
  I, I love it and I think it's my frustration with anyone that's
• 38:44
  attacking a longer mortgage is you are very privileged.
• 38:49
  The person that's willing to attack it and say a 15 year is
• 38:52
  what you should do and that's all you should do.
• 38:53
  Well, you're going to price a young person out of the market
• 38:56
  for 10 or 15 years while they wait and save and try to have
• 38:59
  enough money to do that. The reality is inflation sucks.
• 39:02
  Homes got out of control on pricing, and we want to get
• 39:05
  young people in the market. The average person holds a
• 39:08
  mortgage for six to 10 years. You're only paying interest on
• 39:11
  that. No matter what you refinance the
• 39:13
  mortgage, the interest rates get better over 10 years, you get
• 39:16
  equity in the house, you cash that out, you there's tons of
• 39:19
  things that happen, but you need to be able to get into the
• 39:22
  market and this next generation isn't going to be able to with
• 39:25
  what home prices are doing. So if you're 25, nearly married,
• 39:29
  and you get a 50 year mortgage is is your recommendation take
• 39:33
  50 years to pay it off? No, no, I I don't think you
• 39:37
  should sit in a 50 year mortgage.
• 39:38
  I think that's stupid, but it's a tool.
• 39:40
  So it's like I look at mortgages not as an A godly and ungodly
• 39:45
  thing. It's just a tool.
• 39:46
  Just as much as a gun is not godly or ungodly.
• 39:48
  It can be used ungodly and a mortgage can be ungodly.
• 39:52
  But you should jump into that mortgage, get into the market
• 39:57
  and then as finances increase as the life changes, you don't make
• 40:01
  the same amount of money at 21 then that you do at 31 unless
• 40:05
  you're. Kind of a loser, but if you're
• 40:07
  able to buy a house and you're willing to take that step
• 40:09
  forward, you've got initiative. You're a young man that's trying
• 40:12
  to build something, so you're going to get promoted in your
• 40:14
  job. Having that responsibility,
• 40:17
  having that load is really helpful.
• 40:19
  One question we got was if you were a young couple, you're
• 40:22
  making combined $60,000 and you had no savings, what would I do?
• 40:27
  I would buy a house and invest regularly.
• 40:30
  If you bought an average house like 300,000 three, $100,000 on
• 40:34
  a 50 year mortgage, you can afford that and you invest at
• 40:37
  $200 a month, you'd be 65. If you did nothing else for
• 40:41
  investments, $200 a month and you paid your mortgage every
• 40:44
  month, you'd be 65 and have over $3.5 million in equity and in
• 40:49
  stocks. That's incredible.
• 40:50
  And at 85, you'd have almost $20 million.
• 40:53
  The reason not everyone has $20 million is they don't get
• 40:55
  started. If you get started young, that's
• 40:57
  the hack. If you get started in the early
• 40:59
  20s. So to me, if a 50 year mortgage
• 41:02
  means you can get started, do it.
• 41:05
  Do it and get started. Don't put yourself in an
• 41:06
  impossible situation. Don't sign up for an adjustable
• 41:09
  mortgage where all of a sudden you're going to lose your house
• 41:11
  in 10, in five years, 10 years. But if you can make the payment
• 41:15
  and it's affordable, get started and refinance when possible,
• 41:19
  especially as your income goes up and you can.
• 41:21
  I love a 15 year mortgage. I love A5 year mortgage.
• 41:24
  I would love to not have a mortgage.
• 41:25
  But there isn't there isn't moral virtue or godliness
• 41:28
  attached to a length of time. And I think my frustration with
• 41:32
  the church as a whole and the people that give advice on
• 41:35
  finances is they they put moral virtue and your faith attached
• 41:40
  to a mortgage or money mentality, which we should talk
• 41:44
  about money a lot more in the church.
• 41:46
  We were talking about this right before Jesus said more about
• 41:49
  money in possessions than anything else.
• 41:52
  Why do you think that is? Stewardship and, and, and
• 41:55
  usually it's in the parables in relation to the Kingdom.
• 41:57
  And so it's, if you're a citizen of the Kingdom, you need to be a
• 42:00
  good steward for your king. It's Christian living. 100% and
• 42:04
  it seems like pastors probably talk the least about money in
• 42:07
  possessions unless they're asking for tithe.
• 42:09
  And you want people to be good stewards and give to your
• 42:12
  church, but you're not teaching them how to be good stewards in
• 42:14
  their life. We're doing a huge disservice to
• 42:17
  young people because we're not teaching them how to get into
• 42:19
  their first house, how to start investing, what is compound
• 42:22
  interest, what what are the ways a young person can steward?
• 42:25
  And a lot of it is just getting started.
• 42:27
  They just need to do something and add responsibility, add a
• 42:30
  load to their life and they will be a lot more productive
• 42:34
  throughout their life. You add a, you add a mortgage
• 42:36
  and some kids, you're going to become a good man because it's a
• 42:40
  lot of responsibility and God will bless that.
• 42:43
  Well, and in that too that if I was going to speak out on
• 42:45
  something, it would be car loans.
• 42:47
  Oh, 100%. So it's young people that, you
• 42:50
  know, are renting a home and they go then take out a, a, a
• 42:55
  seemingly large automotive loan that has a high interest.
• 43:02
  If you hold a car for six years, it depreciates.
• 43:05
  If you hold a home for six years, unless something really
• 43:08
  goes wrong in the market, it appreciates.
• 43:11
  And so nobody's freaking out saying don't.
• 43:14
  Well, maybe some are, but you know, don't take out that
• 43:17
  automotive loan. And like, if you're just looking
• 43:19
  at it from an investment wealth building strategy, you know, it
• 43:23
  really is the automotive loan that is the foolish investment.
• 43:27
  Yeah, I'm, I am not. Yeah, 100%.
• 43:29
  And that's, I think that's where the Internet gets confused.
• 43:32
  I'm not pro credit cards, I'm not pro auto loans.
• 43:35
  I'm not pro that kind of debt, but debt that can be used as a
• 43:38
  tool to build wealth, which is a home that's huge and that's
• 43:42
  awesome. And it's an amazing system we
• 43:45
  have, and I'm grateful for it. And the banks, yeah, things like
• 43:49
  08 have happened. There was a ton of Corrections
• 43:52
  that happened after 08. So you can't just tell them,
• 43:54
  hey, I make 600 grand. You can do that with a car.
• 43:57
  I could go walk into the Ferrari dealership right now and say I
• 43:59
  make $600,000, please give me a car, and they wouldn't check my
• 44:03
  income. That's what happened in 08.
• 44:06
  So there's a, there's a big talk about a huge automotive crash
• 44:08
  coming because of that because people are allowed to buy
• 44:11
  whatever and they don't have to prove income.
• 44:13
  There's tons of protections around the housing market.
• 44:15
  Houses are a great asset. They've appreciated 4% every
• 44:19
  year for the last 100 years. That's a really good thing for a
• 44:22
  young person to get in and buy and just hold and you don't.
• 44:26
  You can buy a starter home and living that the rest of your
• 44:28
  life and that's great. It'll be worth quite a bit of
• 44:30
  money because it'll keep up with inflation where your cash in
• 44:33
  your bank or your car will not. So yeah, I, I think I get really
• 44:38
  frustrated with this. The Christian old boomer that's
• 44:42
  like, no kids, you can't have any debt.
• 44:44
  Nope. Absolutely.
• 44:45
  It's evil. It's it's not.
• 44:48
  It's not evil. It's a tool.
• 44:50
  And if you're if the church would teach young people how to
• 44:53
  use that tool, it would lead towards a lot of wealth and a
• 44:56
  lot of building of a legacy, because it's pretty hard to
• 44:59
  build a legacy in this day and age with how finances are.
• 45:02
  The boomers messed it up for all of us, and now we have to live
• 45:05
  in it and we need to learn how to live in it.
• 45:07
  So I would say too, as a dad, you know, coaching younger
• 45:12
  generation, if, if plan A is just rent until you can afford
• 45:18
  20% down, you're probably going to be quite a few years.
• 45:24
  And heaven forbid if you and, or your spouse have got college
• 45:29
  loans. And then throw in any credit
• 45:32
  card debt and any card debt. What I always told our kids was,
• 45:35
  you know, it's like digging a hole.
• 45:37
  Credit card debt, college debt, card debt.
• 45:39
  Well, now you're 3 rows and you got to work 3 levels to get to
• 45:43
  0. So avoid that.
• 45:46
  If what a lot of couples do, they'll get married and they'll
• 45:49
  go buy a condo or a town home or a starter home thinking we'll
• 45:52
  live there for a few years and then we'll upgrade.
• 45:55
  Well, then the problem becomes when you sell that you've got to
• 45:58
  give, you know, let's say 6% to the Realtors that are involved.
• 46:02
  Maybe you've got some improvements to do, you got some
• 46:04
  staging to do and and so you're going to lose some there and
• 46:09
  then you've got to reset. Now you got to go get a new
• 46:11
  loan. There's going to be some fees
• 46:13
  associated with your loan. There's going to be an appraisal
• 46:16
  associated with your loan. In something like the 50 year,
• 46:20
  you could think, well, we're going to get a home that's a 50
• 46:24
  year and we're not going to have to sell and move and sell and
• 46:28
  move and sell and move. We'll refinance to a 30, then
• 46:32
  we'll refinance to a 15, then we'll refinance to A10.
• 46:36
  And as our income increases, we're going to stay in our home.
• 46:40
  We're going to save the realtor fees.
• 46:42
  We're going to save all of these expenses.
• 46:44
  We're going to save the moving fees and the refurnishing of the
• 46:48
  new home fees. And we're just going to stay
• 46:50
  here. Now we're going to start with a
• 46:51
  50 year note, but we'll be paid off in 20 years.
• 46:55
  And if that 50 year gets you in and gets you started, it's the
• 46:59
  first domino. And if you're wise, you could
• 47:02
  play that to a really great outcome.
• 47:04
  You totally could. And I think that's the teaching
• 47:06
  that's missing right now for young people.
• 47:08
  It just feels impossible. So a lot of them are just giving
• 47:10
  up. Ashley and I are second home.
• 47:14
  We we push that line for sure on it was a house that was bigger
• 47:18
  than we should have bought at that stage of our life.
• 47:21
  We didn't have kids yet. It was a lot of property and it
• 47:24
  was like, OK, this is going to stretch us.
• 47:27
  And what we did was we rented out the house and bought a tiny
• 47:30
  house and lived on the property. And it was a huge sacrifice.
• 47:33
  I, I lived in 240 square feet and it's a, it was a fun
• 47:37
  adventure for us. And we'll have that story to
• 47:39
  tell. For years.
• 47:40
  I drove a truck in with no AC in the desert in Arizona during the
• 47:43
  summer. And we lived in the tiny house.
• 47:45
  And those are some of my favorite memories.
• 47:47
  And I did that because all our wise counsel talked about a
• 47:49
  season in their life where they made a massive sacrifice.
• 47:53
  And so we're like, let's do that.
• 47:55
  And so we made a massive sacrifice and bought a house
• 47:58
  that we could be in for the rest of our life.
• 48:00
  And I'm so grateful we did that. But it was a lot of sacrifice.
• 48:04
  And that 50 year mortgage might just be the sacrifice somebody
• 48:07
  has to make. I'm paying extra interest right
• 48:09
  now, but I'm gaining equity. OK, I can refinance now.
• 48:12
  Interest rates came down all right, again, again.
• 48:15
  And that's how you build a legacy is a lot of sacrifice and
• 48:19
  being intentional. And young couples need to get on
• 48:21
  the same page about a vision for their life, a financial plan,
• 48:24
  and then live into it now. And yeah, be careful who you're
• 48:28
  listening to on financial wisdom and knowledge and make sure you
• 48:32
  actually understand what the Bible says about money because
• 48:35
  Jesus talked about it plenty. So you can go to him first and
• 48:39
  figure out your views on finances.
• 48:40
  Yeah, that would say too. For those who are first time
• 48:42
  home buyers, there are special products in the market that are
• 48:45
  only available the first time home buyers.
• 48:48
  And so like if you can get a home on a first time home buyer
• 48:51
  program, you're going to usually get a better interest rate,
• 48:53
  lower down payment. And if you can get that going
• 48:56
  and you know, at least at least you're getting started.
• 48:59
  The other thing I would say in conclusion, and and I do love
• 49:02
  Dave Ramsey. He's been good to me over the
• 49:04
  years. I haven't seen him in a while,
• 49:05
  but you know, I've been in his office.
• 49:06
  He's always been good to me. But at the end of the day, for
• 49:10
  those who are older and we're in the parental or grandparent
• 49:14
  position, my encouragement would be get as much of your kids
• 49:18
  inheritance to them as early as possible.
• 49:22
  You know, like I'm, I'm 55, you know, let's say, you know, say
• 49:26
  somebody retires at 65. Well, you know, a young couple.
• 49:31
  That's when you need help, like when you're buying your first
• 49:34
  home, you're going down to 1 income, you're having your first
• 49:37
  kid. That's where you need help to
• 49:40
  get into your first house and to get going.
• 49:42
  And so I just would encourage older generations, have your
• 49:46
  kids learn about money, wealth, possession, stewardship, and
• 49:50
  then get as much of their inheritance to them as quickly
• 49:53
  as possible. And you mentioned the boomers,
• 49:55
  and I guess this will be the sideswipe.
• 49:58
  It's disgusting. It's disgusting that
• 50:00
  statistically they're moving away from their kids and
• 50:02
  grandkids rather than helping. They're avoiding.
• 50:07
  And they're spending a lot of money and inordinate amount of
• 50:10
  money historically on travel and leisure and trips and
• 50:14
  recreation. And it's like, you know, what is
• 50:17
  more fun than going to Belize is watching your grandchild grow up
• 50:22
  in a home that their parents own.
• 50:25
  Totally. That is, there is more joy in
• 50:28
  helping that happen. The going to Belize snorkeling
• 50:32
  and putting it on Instagram for all of your Boomer friends who
• 50:36
  are making bad decisions just like you.
• 50:39
  I love it. I love it.
• 50:40
  And I think you're totally right and you guys live into that.
• 50:43
  And as as you were saying that, it just made me think all these
• 50:46
  boomers and we're complaining about the amount of interest
• 50:50
  people are going to pay on these loans.
• 50:52
  OK, instead of complaining, do what you just said.
• 50:54
  For every 10 grand you give your kids, it's saving them $20,000
• 50:59
  in interest over the time of the loan.
• 51:00
  So your 10 grand is like 30 grand.
• 51:03
  Every time you give that to your kids, so you give 50 grand, it's
• 51:06
  like saving them over $120,000 in interest.
• 51:10
  That's huge because of how loans work.
• 51:13
  So you will multiply your money by giving it to your kids
• 51:16
  sooner. So I love it.
• 51:17
  I think we can leave it right there.
• 51:18
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  Now, as a Bible teacher, I will tell you that Jesus talks about
• 51:38
  money, wealth, possessions, and stewardship about 25% of the
• 51:42
  time, more than any other subject that he speaks on.
• 51:46
  And so God is the owner and we are the manager of all of our
• 51:50
  wealth and possessions. Therefore, we need to be
• 51:53
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• 51:57
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  or Mega. So there is a civil war between
• 52:46
  Mega the people deeply rooted in Donald Trump's leadership.
• 52:50
  That's the probusiness immigration approaches including
• 52:53
  H1B visas and legal high skilled immigration along with generous
• 52:58
  support for global allies like Israel.
• 53:00
  And then now there's a movement coming out that we would have
• 53:03
  said a year ago is the same thing America First, Trump would
• 53:06
  have said America First a year ago.
• 53:08
  But America First is a lot more nationalist, strict on
• 53:12
  immigration across the board, just really caring about the
• 53:17
  interest of what's happening in this country, not trying to have
• 53:21
  global aid going out to all these other places, but caring
• 53:24
  about the people in our country. So we wanted to throw to a clip
• 53:28
  of as somebody we we think does a great job online, Matt Walsh,
• 53:33
  as he talks about this, what we want is for someone to
• 53:37
  unashamedly and single mindedly advocate for Americans and
• 53:40
  Americans only. We want someone to say, you
• 53:43
  know, the only thing I care about is helping Americans.
• 53:45
  The only people I care about in the world are Americans.
• 53:47
  And we don't want to just hear that, but we want to see the
• 53:49
  action taken as well. And I've seen some people on
• 53:51
  social media say, hey, it's America first, but not America
• 53:54
  only. I disagree.
• 53:57
  I think it is America only. It's like I said months ago, I
• 54:00
  consider myself an American chauvinist, America first,
• 54:03
  America only, an American chauvinist.
• 54:04
  I don't care about. This is the only thing I care
• 54:06
  about. America should be the only thing
• 54:08
  you care about, especially as a leader of the country.
• 54:10
  I don't disagree. It is a little privilege.
• 54:12
  Now that we have Trump, somebody that's like got the whole world
• 54:16
  in check, suddenly we were not a year ago that every other
• 54:19
  country was walking all over us. There is a little bit of
• 54:25
  privilege that comes when you have a president like Trump in
• 54:27
  place that is leading the charge and got the whole country kind
• 54:30
  of in order in the whole world a little bit in order where people
• 54:33
  listen to him, he can tweet something and everyone backs
• 54:35
  down. So it's like, OK, we have a
• 54:37
  strong dad now. So now there's like infighting.
• 54:40
  So I I'm not pushing one way or another on this.
• 54:43
  Would love to get your thoughts but it's there's a civil war
• 54:46
  starting to happen within the Republican group.
• 54:49
  Yeah. And this is what happens when
• 54:50
  you're winning. When you're losing, you band
• 54:54
  together. And that's why even now, on the
• 54:57
  progressive side, you've got Democrats that know that
• 55:02
  socialism is wrong, but don't say anything when there's
• 55:05
  democratic socialist running for office because they're holding
• 55:09
  together. Because when you're losing and
• 55:11
  you're in the minority, you're like, we've got to hang
• 55:13
  together. When you start to get tribalism
• 55:17
  and a little bit of infighting, that just means that you're
• 55:20
  winning. And so this is what happens for
• 55:23
  the winners. From a Bible teaching pastoral
• 55:27
  perspective, think of it kind of on a continuum.
• 55:32
  My left hand, globalism. Globalism is you shouldn't have
• 55:38
  borders, that people should be able to come and go in and out
• 55:42
  of nations as they choose. This would include radical
• 55:47
  environmentalists, and they'd be saying we've got to save the
• 55:51
  planet. So we need to pull together
• 55:53
  with, you know, the Paris Accords and all kinds of, you
• 55:56
  know, issues regarding the environment.
• 55:59
  These would be the people that are advocating for, you know,
• 56:03
  universal language. They're advocating for universal
• 56:06
  currency. Maybe the place that globalism
• 56:10
  has the highest probability of really taking effect is like the
• 56:14
  World Health Organization. And so, you know, when the
• 56:17
  pandemic hit that we know know was largely the scam Demick it
• 56:21
  was, you know, to save the world from this plague, we need to
• 56:24
  give up all of our national sovereignty and rights for this
• 56:27
  good of the global citizenry. So that's globalism.
• 56:31
  Over on the far right would be isolationism, and that is that
• 56:38
  our nation kind of has nothing to do with other nations.
• 56:42
  North Korea would be an example of this.
• 56:44
  It's called the hermit Kingdom for a reason.
• 56:47
  I mean, they don't get news about the world except for from
• 56:51
  their country. The people never leave their
• 56:53
  country. Like we travel the world.
• 56:54
  Like if you're in North Korea, you're going to live and die in
• 56:57
  North Korea. You're never stepping out of
• 56:59
  North Korea. You're never hearing anything
• 57:02
  that's not in Korean, and you're never going to get anything that
• 57:05
  isn't approved by the North Korean government.
• 57:07
  That's isolation. So kind of on the the far births
• 57:10
  is globalism and isolationism. In the middle is nationalism.
• 57:18
  And so in the middle is we are not fully isolated, but we're
• 57:24
  committed to our people first and foremost.
• 57:28
  And my reading of the Bible is that it is nationalistic.
• 57:35
  The Bible names nations, just to state the obvious.
• 57:39
  The Bible also states national boundaries.
• 57:42
  This is always the case with the nation of Israel and when
• 57:45
  they're invaded by other nations.
• 57:47
  This is the whole book of judges.
• 57:49
  This is the whole book of Daniel that the nation is invaded and
• 57:54
  like in Judges, it has wars to secure its borders.
• 57:58
  In the book of Daniel, it's invaded and they're taken
• 58:01
  captive into Babylon and it's a sin and it's an evil.
• 58:04
  And so there are nations and those nations do have boundaries
• 58:08
  and there are wars that sometimes God even not only
• 58:12
  endorses, but he commands for nations to rise up against other
• 58:16
  nations to protect their borders.
• 58:18
  So just from a, a very, you know, high level view of the
• 58:21
  Bible, it's about nationalism. The first attempt at globalism,
• 58:27
  I thought this before, is back in Genesis.
• 58:29
  I'm going to like Genesis 1011. You're looking at Babel, the
• 58:34
  tower of Babel. It's modern day Iraq.
• 58:37
  It was ancient Babylon. And they tried to do globalism,
• 58:41
  one language, one people group, heaven on earth without God.
• 58:45
  God scattered the people into nations and he confused their
• 58:49
  languages. God said no to globalism,
• 58:52
  depending upon how you read the Bible.
• 58:55
  At the end, Satan says yes to globalism, that the Antichrist
• 59:01
  would love it if there was complete organizational,
• 59:06
  linguistic, economic, even spiritual uniformity among the
• 59:11
  nations, because then one person needs to rule the earth, and
• 59:15
  that gives rise potentially to the Antichrist.
• 59:18
  Paul calls him the man of lawlessness because if the whole
• 59:21
  world comes together under the globalist agenda, the question
• 59:23
  is, well, who's the boss? Yeah.
• 59:25
  Well, if I'm Satan, I'm like, I want that to be my guy 'cause
• 59:28
  now I I can rule the whole world through one guy, as opposed to a
• 59:31
  bunch of nations where I got to get a whole bunch of people to
• 59:34
  be under my jurisdiction if I want to run.
• 59:36
  So God's answer is not globalism, it's nationalism.
• 59:41
  So. So then the question is, does
• 59:44
  our nationalism move more toward globalism or does it more move
• 59:48
  toward isolationism? Again, trying to explain this in
• 59:51
  big categories, isolationism, globalism, nationalism, those
• 59:55
  who are more America first, they're saying let's do
• 1:00:00
  nationalism, America first. But there are times that we need
• 1:00:03
  to send foreign aid to help allies.
• 1:00:06
  There are times that we need to get involved in foreign wars
• 1:00:09
  because of allies. It's like if you help us today,
• 1:00:13
  rather we'll help you today, you'll help us tomorrow, or we
• 1:00:16
  have a common enemy. So like Iran just keeps being
• 1:00:20
  determined to be a nuclear nation and they're constantly
• 1:00:23
  screaming death to Israel. Death.
• 1:00:25
  To America. Well, then they'd be like, well,
• 1:00:27
  then let's help the nation of Israel fight Iran, because if
• 1:00:32
  Iran defeats Israel, they've already told us they're coming
• 1:00:34
  for us next. So I'd rather shoot him at the
• 1:00:37
  neighbor's house than at my house.
• 1:00:39
  Isolationism is let's not send any money internationally and
• 1:00:44
  not engage in any military conflict globally.
• 1:00:48
  You do you and we do we. The the problem becomes when you
• 1:00:52
  have international trade. That's what I was going to say.
• 1:00:55
  Like I think people are oversimplifying Trump's
• 1:00:57
  position. So you you talk about you would
• 1:01:00
  never like become a senior pastor of a church or take a
• 1:01:05
  building or anything if if you need to come under a new board.
• 1:01:09
  The problem with the presidency and how we run our government is
• 1:01:12
  every four years it trades out. And so you're inheriting
• 1:01:16
  decades, centuries of decisions that you didn't make.
• 1:01:19
  And accords and agreements and. It's a House of Cards with all
• 1:01:23
  these relationships, allies, and oh so Yep, we should be
• 1:01:26
  nationalist America first. Let's just pull out of
• 1:01:28
  everything. Let's just do our thing.
• 1:01:29
  Well, you could start World War three easily.
• 1:01:33
  You could cripple a nation easily.
• 1:01:35
  It's not like we're going to just doge all the nations.
• 1:01:38
  They're pretty complex relationships, right?
• 1:01:41
  Yeah, well, this is what this is.
• 1:01:44
  Is this this is this is a group of people And I, I actually
• 1:01:48
  appreciate Matt Walsh quite a bit.
• 1:01:50
  This is a group of people who are just sick of globalism.
• 1:01:54
  Totally. And what they're saying is, at
• 1:01:56
  least for a while, let's just do a hard fast.
• 1:02:00
  No more money. I love it.
• 1:02:01
  No more warriors sent overseas. So true or false, Trump could
• 1:02:05
  100% agree with that and can't do it yet.
• 1:02:08
  And and what I would say is if you're talking about a version
• 1:02:13
  of isolationism for a season and then a return to America first,
• 1:02:20
  not America only I could buy into that because like the
• 1:02:24
  questions, I, I mean just practically that many are having
• 1:02:27
  is like, why do we keep sending money to Ukraine with nothing in
• 1:02:30
  return? Totally.
• 1:02:32
  Like, can we get minerals? Can we get something?
• 1:02:35
  I mean, you're just sending money like Afghanistan.
• 1:02:39
  Like, why were we in Afghanistan?
• 1:02:42
  And then the way we left Afghanistan is repugnant to
• 1:02:46
  every veteran who is served, especially those who've given
• 1:02:50
  their lives. We're in Iraq.
• 1:02:51
  Like, why were we in Iraq? We don't need to be in Iraq.
• 1:02:55
  Like we need to secure Iraq. Why do we need to secure Iraq?
• 1:02:58
  When I was when I was 18, I got a call from a military recruiter
• 1:03:02
  and he was like, you want to join Bola?
• 1:03:04
  He's making his pitch. And I was like, if you can tell
• 1:03:06
  us, tell me why we're in Afghanistan right now.
• 1:03:09
  Clearly I will join today. And he's like, Oh, I've never
• 1:03:12
  really been asked that. I, I guess.
• 1:03:14
  And he like rallies. I, I don't know, dude, I don't
• 1:03:16
  get paid enough to know that. And I was like, well, I'm not
• 1:03:19
  joining a war if you can't tell me what we're doing.
• 1:03:23
  And Trump inherited a lot of things.
• 1:03:24
  I, I think it's a, it's pretty hard because you can't plan for
• 1:03:27
  decades. You can't plan a king would plan
• 1:03:29
  for centuries. And we there's all these no
• 1:03:32
  kings protests and everything there is.
• 1:03:34
  I'm not advocating for a kingship, but there is a there's
• 1:03:37
  a benefit when you're planning for decades and centuries, when
• 1:03:41
  you're. This is why we're having a
• 1:03:43
  problem with China and Russia, because you know, if you're
• 1:03:48
  Putin, you're like, I'm just going to wait four years totally
• 1:03:52
  and see who the next guy. I just need a week.
• 1:03:54
  Yeah, I need a Kamala Harris. So.
• 1:03:55
  You know, part of part of America we're, you know, every
• 1:03:58
  four years we're having an election, which means the first
• 1:04:02
  year you're getting your cabinet and your team up to speed.
• 1:04:06
  The last year or two you're running your campaign, which
• 1:04:09
  means you get a year or two of actually governing.
• 1:04:12
  And if they exert enough law, fair, they can just Stonewall
• 1:04:17
  you and it's over. And that's American gridlock and
• 1:04:21
  expense. And so, you know, like China, I
• 1:04:24
  mean, they're thinking generationally and you know, if
• 1:04:28
  you get to be a leader who gets a 30-40, fifty year run, you're
• 1:04:33
  in a much stronger, better position.
• 1:04:34
  And so I'm not saying that our form of government is wrong, but
• 1:04:38
  every form of government has its downside and liability.
• 1:04:43
  And so, you know, for the America only people that are
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  leaning more toward isolationism than just pure nationalism.
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  I, I get it. It's like somebody who's obese
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  and it's saying you don't need to change your diet.
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  You need to go on a 20 day fast. Yeah, I agree.
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  You need to fast for 20 days and then set your new diet.
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  They're looking at the globalist agenda, the money, the wars, the
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  the loss of life, and just saying, you know what, let's
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  just go cold Turkey and then let's reset if that's the case.
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  But total nationalism, that is hard.
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  Isolationism is not sustainable in a global economic and
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  political environment because eventually their problems do
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  become your problems. I totally agree.
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  Thank you for that, Pastor Mark and I, I do think that the
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  problem is fairly complex and we want to simplify it, and it's
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  easy to do that behind a microphone.
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  So thank you for trying to explain the nuances and
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  complexity of it. Yeah, and and again, the these
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  two teams, they're both nationalist, but one is pulling
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  more toward isolationism. 1 is still leaving open some options
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  for globalism. But what we're talking about is
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  like right, right and left, right And you know, that's what
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  we're talking about. And just tend generally to like,
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  as we get into politics and stuff, not to be defensive, but
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  like some people have wondered, like, you know, if I change my
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  position. So when I first got saved, I was
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  very, very politically read and interested.
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  And the guy that informed me a lot was a guy named Pat
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  Buchanan. You probably wouldn't even know
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  who he is. He ran for president and he ran
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  on nationalism and America first.
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  And so I really liked him, and he influenced me quite a bit.
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  And this has been my position since my conversion at age 19 in
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  college. I've been a nationalist and a
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  patriot. And that was the conclusion I
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  came to 36 years ago. And so it's just interesting.
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  It's taken 36 years for it actually to become, you know,
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  the elected majority. And so I've been waiting a long
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  time. And it would just be nice if you
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  know, whether you're a little to the right or a little to the
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  left, if you are a nationalist, that we don't shoot each other
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  because that's what those who are fully isolationist and fully
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  globalist would want. They'd like us to empty out the
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  center so that we only had one of the IT was either North
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  Korea, you know, or open borders Bidenism.
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  And, and the truth is, we don't want to live in either of those
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  Americas. No.
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  And I, I think I appreciate RFKS example.
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  He was running for president. He had a lot of great views,
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  some bad ones, but he was able to throw in with Trump and be a
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  supporter of Trump because he could live out God's calling for
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  his life in a different way than he thought.
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  But he could do it alongside a guy that seemed like it was
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  going to win. And so it's kind of like, can we
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  do a lot more good by not critiquing each other and trying
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  to live in it, into it together and try to make changes over
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  time? Or do we want to just have a lot
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  of infighting? And when you read X right now
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  and you go on Twitter, it is wild.
• 1:07:50
  Christians are fighting with Christians, Republicans are
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  fighting with Republicans, and the liberals are just nowhere.
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  So it is a very interesting day and age we're in right now.
• 1:07:58
  I think everyone's just like, let's just let them self
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  destruct. And I think we are a little bit.
• 1:08:02
  And Speaking of self destructing, we're going to read
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  some of the fun comments from last week.
• 1:08:06
  We're getting comments for our show.
• 1:08:07
  Yes, that's fun. That means people are tuning in.
• 1:08:10
  Yeah, I mean fun facts for you the Mark Driscoll show last week
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  reached over 300,000 people, which is awesome.
• 1:08:16
  We just started this a few weeks ago so it's wow very
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  encouraging. So going to read this comment,
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  let. Me tell you why you got to read
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  the comments, because I don't pay any attention to the
• 1:08:26
  comments unless you pull them up on the.
• 1:08:29
  Like they got a big font for you too?
• 1:08:30
  If you're trying to hurt my feelings, let me just tell you
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  this not going to happen. Yep, fair enough.
• 1:08:36
  All right, so. This is from Jonna.
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  Jonna, Sweden, Thank you for your time and effort in writing
• 1:08:44
  this comment. Candace Owens has rightfully
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  become the spokesperson of Charlie Kirk's legacy.
• 1:08:49
  Only she cares about what happened to him and you need to
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  back off the sinister smear attack against her.
• 1:08:58
  Jonah, I am so sorry. That will happen immediately, of
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  course. I mean, this is what's so weird,
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  like Jonah says, and this is what's so weird.
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  Do we really think that the only person who cares what happened
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  to Charlie Kirk is Candace Owen? It it might be his daughter.
• 1:09:22
  His kids might care. His wife might care, His dear
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  friend Andrew COVID might care. His good friend, the vice
• 1:09:30
  president might care. His other good friend the
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  president might care. And I would just submit to you
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  that any of these people have access to better data than
• 1:09:40
  Candace Owen. And if Erica Kirk says I've seen
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  the data and I think they have the shooter, I'm going with the
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  not crazy widow for sure, who's a great woman.
• 1:09:50
  Great woman. And yeah, you don't want to
• 1:09:53
  violate that relationship at all, but you guys are behind the
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  scenes and you do care about that family, and they are good
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  family. I care.
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  Yeah. Charlie was my friend.
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  I'm not saying I'm, you know, at the top of the bingo card or
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  anything, but like, I love Charlie, I miss Charlie, I enjoy
• 1:10:09
  Charlie, I care. Yeah, he's hanging with Jesus.
• 1:10:12
  You'll see him again. I know, but he misses his
• 1:10:14
  family. He does miss his family.
• 1:10:16
  I know that. All right, here's a fun one for
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  you. Israel got Mark.
• 1:10:21
  Make sure those seven K checks don't bounce.
• 1:10:25
  Well, I'm happy to report they don't.
• 1:10:29
  Israel's always good for their checks.
• 1:10:31
  I mean, you know, I, it doesn't matter what Nick Fuentes says,
• 1:10:34
  they they are good for their money.
• 1:10:40
  You know, it's just so silly because as soon as you say
• 1:10:44
  something they don't like, it just seems like they accuse you
• 1:10:48
  in a conspiratorial way of being bought.
• 1:10:52
  So Israel bought you? Like I've checked my mailbox.
• 1:10:56
  The country just. Just bought me and I'll tell you
• 1:10:58
  this, it's going to take more than 7 grand.
• 1:11:02
  It's going to take more because 7 grand.
• 1:11:04
  I got like my 6th grand kid on the way.
• 1:11:07
  This would barely knockout Christmas.
• 1:11:10
  So if you're going to give me, you got to give me more than
• 1:11:13
  that. But here's what's weird, This is
• 1:11:17
  This is why we've architected things the way they are.
• 1:11:21
  I don't take any money from book sales.
• 1:11:23
  I don't take money from platform monetization.
• 1:11:26
  I don't take any money from product sales.
• 1:11:29
  And, and at the end of the day, I just want to get Bible
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  teaching out. And I've come to my conclusions
• 1:11:38
  by going through books of the Bible verse by verse for 30
• 1:11:43
  years while faithful to my wife. And so unlike some who are new
• 1:11:51
  to content providing or the Internet, I've been doing this a
• 1:11:55
  very long time. And I have intentionally
• 1:11:58
  structured my life so I can have as much freedom as possible to
• 1:12:02
  say exactly what I believe is true based upon my teaching of
• 1:12:06
  God's Word. I think I I preached or taught
• 1:12:09
  through 40 of the 66 books of the Bible.
• 1:12:12
  And so, yeah, I mean, you can accuse me of whatever you want.
• 1:12:16
  The truth is I'm just a Bible teacher trying to get as much
• 1:12:20
  helpful, practical Bible teaching out as I can.
• 1:12:24
  And I have structured things in such a way that whether they do
• 1:12:29
  well or poor, I don't profit. Either way, it doesn't benefit
• 1:12:34
  me. Yep, and I run the business so I
• 1:12:36
  know that to be a fact. Really quick question for you
• 1:12:40
  and I didn't prep you for this one.
• 1:12:41
  So a lot of these women and people that are angry about the
• 1:12:44
  Candace thing and specifically things that have been said on
• 1:12:48
  the show that are mad at you unfollowing, unsubscribing,
• 1:12:52
  whatever over the Candace thing. It's like she has a cult
• 1:12:55
  following. What would you tell them?
• 1:12:58
  I would say #1 I understand why people are prone to lean into
• 1:13:06
  conspiracy theories. I, I am sympathetic to that with
• 1:13:09
  a whole Russiagate thing with Trump.
• 1:13:11
  You're like, this is wild. Like it was all a mirage in the
• 1:13:15
  desert. That's wild.
• 1:13:17
  The COVID, you know, I mean, we didn't close the church and
• 1:13:20
  didn't do anything. But like, they're like, yeah, 6
• 1:13:23
  feet. We kind of just like, you know,
• 1:13:25
  made that up in masks. We're not sure.
• 1:13:27
  And it was just, you know, certain categories of people
• 1:13:30
  were at risk. We should have let the 20 year
• 1:13:32
  olds go to work. You're like, OK, so we shut down
• 1:13:34
  the planet. And the information was
• 1:13:36
  misinformation and disinformation.
• 1:13:39
  With BLM, Black Lives Matter, you know, you realize, OK, this
• 1:13:43
  actually wasn't about, like, having concern for certain
• 1:13:49
  members of our community. This was a social Marxist
• 1:13:54
  attempt to weaponize a social media flashpoint with the death
• 1:13:59
  of George Floyd and bad actors monetize that into cultural and
• 1:14:04
  financial gain. The number of times and the
• 1:14:08
  number of ways that we've been absolutely freaking lied to is
• 1:14:13
  shocking. 100%. And, and I will say this, I've
• 1:14:17
  been lied about you a bit. I had a ear.
• 1:14:22
  I won't talk about it, but I have been.
• 1:14:24
  And so I, I'm sympathetic to those who are prone to our
• 1:14:28
  conspiracy theories, but you've got to be careful because if you
• 1:14:32
  live on the Internet too much and you become so jaded that you
• 1:14:36
  think that everything is a conspiracy theory, you stop
• 1:14:40
  being a healthy, functional human being.
• 1:14:43
  And then you start assuming that everyone who disagrees with you
• 1:14:46
  is part of the conspiracy. Yep, as soon as that happens you
• 1:14:50
  become a very strange, lonely person.
• 1:14:56
  And the older you get the more isolated and odd you become.
• 1:15:01
  And so you know, at the end of the day, I am absolutely to the
• 1:15:06
  death all in loyal to Jesus Christ.
• 1:15:10
  My commitment and loyalty to everyone else is in pencil, and
• 1:15:15
  if you grab a sharpie and write anybody's name other than Jesus,
• 1:15:19
  I think you've made a fatal error.
• 1:15:21
  You, you've made that clear over the last couple years.
• 1:15:23
  There was a men's event. You did that.
• 1:15:24
  Just you were very loyal to Jesus.
• 1:15:26
  I'll, I'll say that you're, you're heavily involved.
• 1:15:30
  I won't overstate your relationship with with people
• 1:15:32
  involved in the situation. Candace is less involved than
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  you. I would, I would imagine.
• 1:15:37
  I mean, she's not talking to anyone really at turning point.
• 1:15:41
  Is there any hint of conspiracy there?
• 1:15:44
  I I'm not going to divulge see as a pastor, I have certain
• 1:15:49
  relationships with certain people and my hope her and goal
• 1:15:53
  is to love them, serve them, be safe for them and that value for
• 1:15:59
  them. But I will say this, if somebody
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  was on a platform and they're not on the platform and somebody
• 1:16:06
  was close and now they're not close, there's a reason.
• 1:16:11
  We'll just leave it at that. Perfect, perfect.
• 1:16:13
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• 1:16:16
  Show. If you have feedback, feel free
• 1:16:18
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