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You're Beautiful | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 43 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica and this is daebak. He Rambles were a couple of
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  friends review, Korean dramas and I am pumped because I have
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  repeat guests with me. I have Jenny back from the porch
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  of playlist. Jenny, how have you?
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  You been, how has been your year?
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  Because it's been about a year since we've last talked on the
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  goblin episode. Yeah, I thoughts wild.
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  Oh my gosh, times flies. Definitely, I think good.
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  We're still reviewing kdramas out here on the photo playlist,
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  but yeah, we're currently watching a couple of non ROM
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  call me. So, I'm waiting for the
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  rom-coms. A hit for the rest of this year,
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  but how have you been doing? I've been doing well, super
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  busy. I had kind of a hectic morning.
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  But I'm glad that I was able to finish the drama that we're
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  going to talk about today, which is your beautiful from 2009.
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  The reason why we're doing you're beautiful and
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  specifically that I requested that you come on this way.
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  This episode with me is because on the goblin review, you said
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  that, your first kdrama was you're beautiful and we had a
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  moment and I was like, wow, so I put that in the back of my mind
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  and I was like, I have to have Jen.
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  Me back if we ever hear beautiful.
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  So it's happening. We're going to talk about it.
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  This is a show for sure. And with without further Ado, I
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  think are just gonna jump into some housekeeping.
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  community. T.
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  And let's go. We're going to talk about your
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  beautiful and I went sideways on this one, I have the Wikipedia
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  synopsis, instead of the Asian Wiki or my drama.
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  Listen Ops is because those were complete trash.
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  I don't even know how they let that on the internet.
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  I was like, what is, how is this even English?
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  So here's the Wikipedia synopsis of the show Coleman yo has lived
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  at an orphanage with her twin brother combing them since
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  childhood after their father died.
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  Years later, mean them becomes a music Idol, and meanwhile lives
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  in a junior, none dorm to fulfill her.
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  She sorry. Marty laughing to fulfill her
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  dream of becoming a nun. One day mean I'm successful
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  successfully auditions for, and Wednesday and entertainment.
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  Vocal auditions to join the musical band and Joe where
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  Angel, however, he must leave for the u.s. in order to correct
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  his botched plastic surgery. Mean times manager approaches me
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  kneel and best for her to pose as mean them for a month until
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  he recovers menial is against it at first, but eventually agrees,
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  as a path to fame, would give the twins an opportunity to find
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  their mother. Thus mean, yup was supposes has
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  her brother and joins the band, an angel.
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  Where she meets its members, the Arrogant Hwang Tae kyung.
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  The gentle conch signal and the bubbly Jeremy.
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  So yeah, this drama is basically.
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  She crossed dresses as her brother, and she's originally, a
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  None. And now she's thrown into the
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  world of Hollywood and K-pop. Quite the show.
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  Like right off the bat, this plot is Buck while this
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  originally aired from October to November 2009, and I just want
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  to pause here and say, like, where were you in 2009, what was
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  happening in your life? Because it's been it's a while
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  back. Okay, 2009, Jenny.
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  And to give context for why this is my first kdrama to was.
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  I was very much into the Kpop world, you know?
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  Like like I wasn't ftisland fan and I was like 'I honky you know
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  freaking puss is of this man on my wall and so I think I'll some
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  like maybe Middle School maybe early High School.
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  I don't even remember. But I just remember being like
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  Oh my gosh, I am in love with you hungie and he's gonna be in
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  something called a kdrama, like what is this?
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  And so literally it was like one of the reasons why I got into it
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  like the cage on the world in general was because I was just
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  so into K-pop. I was just like, you know, to
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  steal my little Middle School thing, listen to my cave off and
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  then just got thrown into this world of romance and I was like,
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  wow, okay, I'm ready for this ride and I've been on this ride
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  for the rest of my life. So fantastic.
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  Yeah, yeah, for me, 2009 was the year I graduated from high
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  school and just to set the scene for people that are like, maybe
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  on the younger side or don't realize what was happening in
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  2009, Barack Obama. Was inaugurated in 2009.
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  What a trip. Yes.
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  Parks and Rec the show. And the TV show Glee made their
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  TV debuts in 2009. Yes.
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  Damn. First year.
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  Yes. Michael Jackson died in 2009.
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  Yes let me see. Taylor Swift was still winning
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  Country Music Awards. Wow, Slumdog Millionaire swept
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  the Oscars that year Heath Ledger with I know and speaking
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  of oscars Heath Ledger wins best supporting actor posthumously
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  for his role as Joker in The Dark Knight.
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  So this is the time period that we're talking about.
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  We still have Harry Potter movies coming out, we still have
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  Twilight Saga, movies coming out in theatres Avatar which just
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  got a sequel not too long ago. The way of water.
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  The first Avatar movie Released an 09.
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  I'm telling you. It is the beginning of things
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  because even Disney acquired Marvel in 2009.
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  This is when you're beautiful comes out, right?
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  This crazy year with all of this stuff happening.
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  And all of these pop culture moments that people seem to
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  forget happened in 09. So long ago, when when you said
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  pandemic in 2009, people thought you meant that H1N1 swine flu
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  Yes, that was the pandemic in 2009.
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  So honestly, it was kind of nice to revisit not just for the
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  Nostalgia the show, but just think back to, where the heck we
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  were, as a society in 2009. Yeah, bring us back, honestly.
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  I miss that era of my life. I was so young, so full of Hope.
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  What a trip. I know, like, even in this show
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  there is like scene. Whether like clubbing and the
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  songs are playing. I was like jamming out.
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  I was like this was so lit the day, right?
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  I loved it. So yeah, what a great time it
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  was a time. So this show is 16 episodes long
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  and it had a director Hong, some chong and the assistant director
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  was Park young-sun and he's directed things like 49 days and
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  Miss Granny which are two more. Or well-known the to me, they're
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  a little more well-known than some of the other work that the
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  assistant director has done, I think, more than anything, the
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  show was written by the Hong sisters, which is Hong da Moon,
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  and hung meet on two sisters who are prolific screenwriters.
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  And we kind of delve deep on there filmography and their
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  screenplays on the Alchemy of souls episodes, which I ended up
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  splitting into two parts, but yeah, that was their most recent
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  thing. Alchemy of souls, how do you
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  feel about Hong sisters, dramas, and they're writing in general?
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  I don't know, I'm a sucker for the Hong sisters, like I I feel
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  like I'm close to a playlist, sometimes they're very critical,
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  things are like, well pothole here like this, that that, but
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  like honestly, if I really just like go back to my roots, like
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  the honk sisters, know how to hit us, what the emotions, what
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  the, you know, the crazy out there storylines and I feel like
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  they do get critiques. A lot because like, sometimes
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  people say they, they reuse plotlines reuse tropes but I'm
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  like, that's just like kdrama. Like, this is what kdramas
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  about, you know, like Alchemy of Souls and then going down like
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  hotel de luna. Also, iconic, current Odyssey
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  iconic. Like so many of these, even
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  from, like, way back in the day, like, sassy girl and 2005.
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  I never even wash that kdrama and I've heard of it, you know,
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  like these are iconic. So I feel that the Hong sisters
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  know what they're doing and no no I love them at the end.
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  Them. Okay.
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  So I'm so glad you say that because we have differing
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  opinions on the Hong sisters. I generally sort of dislike the
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  way that they write things. I think they're good at
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  balancing really melodramatic moments with comedic moments.
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  I think that's what kind of brings people back is that
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  you're not just wallowing, the whole episode.
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  They have these lighter moments punctuated throughout and they
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  are very good at physical comedy writing in some physical
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  Physical comedy for the actors in obviously that's know.
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  You can look at Alchemy of souls, you can look at hotel de
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  luna. Korean Odyssey, it goes way
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  back. That's a little bit of a
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  signature for them and they love fantasy elements and they are
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  sort of foundational. Like, I can't take this away
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  from them, their foundational, 4K drama.
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  And a lot of the tropes that we see, they were pioneering, or
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  they were redefining and in specially in this show.
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  I felt like revisiting it, they tried to subvert.
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  A lot of the tropes like you would be like, oh they're about
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  to kiss and it's like, oh no he moves her face out of the way or
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  so like it's very there subverting a lot of things
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  because the audience already has some expectations, maybe some
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  that the Hong sisters created and some that they're just, you
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  know, like still within the Wheelhouse of kdrama but I
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  thought they was fun to see. But also this I don't feel Feel
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  less the Sara Lee like I'm in love with any case.
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  Any Hong sisters kdrama, if you feel me, like I appreciate what
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  they've done but I'm not like, you know, I'm not waving the
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  Hong sisters flag over here like like a lot of people are and
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  that's fine. Like, everyone can have their
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  own opinion, their own feelings toward things.
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  If you love Alchemy of souls, I'm so happy for you.
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  Like as a matter fact, very happy for you.
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  Great keep it. It's yours for me.
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  Not so much. And that's kind of how I wanted
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  to wrap up the Hong sisters talk because I feel like it's a
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  little touchy after I don't know if you were privy to like all of
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  the Alchemy of souls hate that was around or like the toxicity
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  of some of that fandom. Oh my God.
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  Yeah yeah. So if you didn't like the show
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  then I'm you were definitely privy to some of this.
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  Nonsense online. But you know, everyone has
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  their, their likes and dislikes and if you like honk sisters,
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  dramas, they're not going anywhere, like keep watching.
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  So I kind of think that this 2009 drama might might make some
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  people a little weary of the Hong sisters just because of its
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  age and we have talked about that.
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  So this yes, Yes, so this show Stars POC Shanae as combing, the
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  old / calming, I'm she's playing both roles the Twins and how do
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  you feel about Pacini? Because oh man, so she's so
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  iconic in her and itself, you know, like I feel like she was
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  obviously my first kdrama and then she goes on and I feel like
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  she goes from the very strong like, kdrama female lead when
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  all the rom-coms. Now, I feel like she's delved
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  into this new world, like watching her and call the call.
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  I was like Blown Away by her like, change of, I guess, like
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  Charisma almost like it's just, she's playing such different
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  roles, you know, I think that her crying ability is freaking
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  top-tier. If there's anyone I can count on
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  and Decay Joe industry to be able to shed tears.
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  It is huxton. It like she her Village do.
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  That is like amazing. I'd say, if people haven't seen
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  her in other kdramas, she is very different now than
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  obviously in this kdrama like, just watching her act and this
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  one, it's like, what? The pouty face and kind of the
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  homes. Hopefully, not like, the not
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  like Vibe it just like, it's very different.
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  But overall I mean, I think I appreciate her because she was
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  my first kdrama. Gal.
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  I feel like I tried following her work afterwards just
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  because, you know, you have that special connection with a
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  kdrama, but I would say I definitely think I fell off or
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  train, you know, probably around like a couple of years after
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  this one. Yeah, no issue to her but it's
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  just like but like some of the things got a little repetitive.
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  So I've been churned into other kdrama actresses but so have a
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  special place in my heart for her.
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  That's so nice to hear. I don't think I ever put her
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  necessarily on a pedestal. I will say that I watched this
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  drama. You're beautiful.
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  And I want to say in 2014 so wasn't in 2009, got you.
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  And I think that I was starting to watch a bunch of POC Shanae
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  dramas and it's one. I don't, I mean, I'll say, I'll
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  say my, my first impressions and how I felt in 2014 watching the
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  show, but passionate we mentioned her in her career, on
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  The Heirs episode that was very interesting because if you
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  juxtapose or she feels like Same thing as Lee Min-ho where yeah,
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  she's not gone out of fashion and the way that she acts in the
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  types of roles that she took are out of fashion, right?
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  Like people wouldn't gravitate towards these kind of characters
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  today, and yes, she's gained a lot of Acclaim, but then when
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  you look at some of the stuff that made her famous, you're
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  like, this is not that great, you know, and I feel like this
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  is one of those roles were you. Like, I don't know, I can't tell
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  if it's the Hong sisters influence, or if it's her, and
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  the way that she's Saying, the character that makes me a little
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  bit annoyed and her in The Heirs is the same thing.
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  Like she that character had no personality and in my it
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  probably had nothing to do at all with passion in her
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  performance. It was just what was on this on
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  the paper. But yeah, in this case she is
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  irking me in different ways and again it's probably just what's
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  on the on the paper. What's on the screenplay that
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  she's Little bit childish in the show, she's a little bit
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  bumbling in the show. She's very innocent and dense.
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  And to a point where you're like, okay, this is like too
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  much for one person to be this completely dense and like
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  romantically handicapped at this point.
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  So, this is Parks and yes, this is passionate in this drama and
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  that's a little bit of the That really annoyed me.
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  But like you said, the call, hashtag alive.
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  My annoying, brother. I said this on the air is
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  episode. I think, I like her movie work
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  better than her cage. Rump work.
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  I think that stands up way better over time.
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  Then some of them, especially some of these older kdramas that
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  made her famous. I'm like I can never carry watch
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  that. So yeah, it's for I definitely
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  think. The female lead aesthetic was so
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  cringe back, like, back in the day.
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  Now looking back right? As like we're you know, older
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  we're adults. Now, we've been through whatever
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  our lives and I'm just like, oh my gosh, like that's what like
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  they were trying to portray as like this is what is attractive
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  to met. Just being so quiet used and
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  bumbling and clumsy. And like I don't like I feel
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  like back in the day I also watched a lot of like anime like
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  that kind of stuff too. And I feel like it was a similar
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  messaging back in like the early 2000s like just like clumsy kind
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  of adult Like really naive and like, I don't know, man.
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  Like I feel like the stereotypes, it was just through
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  trying so hard to make us all believe it.
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  And I think I bought it, I don't know, I'll blank age almost for
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  my lack of dating life when I was in Middle School because I
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  was like, yeah, I want to be like really Dulce and clumsy and
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  that's what people think are cute and it's like, no, that's
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  not true. Like you should not be spilling
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  things over yourself, like that is not like a cute little
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  kitten. So I you have.
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  Yeah, you have an absolute point there.
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  I guess we can get a little more into that in a second.
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  After we cover Jang, geun Suk who plays hon take young.
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  He is our male lead. What, how do you feel about this
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  guy? I haven't seen this guy in a hop
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  in it. Yeah, I at the sounds kinda sad,
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  but like I don't think I've seen any other kids drama, but he's
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  in other than this one. I, I just like what I first was
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  introduced his character, I just thought he was so mean and like
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  I feel like he plays it to a tee, you know, just like well
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  this smirk and Like that kind of like this facial expression but
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  I'm happy to hear that he's coming back.
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  I just I never really got into his like his character and his
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  the actor himself but I'm happy to hear that.
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  He's still got it. Yeah so he's got a comeback
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  drama which is airing this year maybe even now it's called the
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  bait, part 1 and 2 and it's just come back down.
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  He hasn't done anything in like five years.
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  So this is a big deal and I think, for me, I watched him in
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  this and I watched him in like a couple like a couple of the
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  things. I think, Marry Me Marry in 2010
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  and love rain out. Have you seen love rain?
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  I haven't no getting. So here's the plot of Love Rain
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  really fast. Okay, so we're talking in the
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  70s, a couple, which he plays the, the male lead in the 70s
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  and what's her name. The one that can't act from
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  Girls Generation Yoona. Oh okay, so it's him and Yuna in
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  the 1970s they fall in love through circumstances.
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  That's like The One That Got Away now, in the present day,
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  their children fall in love with each other.
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  They're playing the children now and it's this whole thing of
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  like, will they won't they get together and act on their
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  feelings because their parents have reconnected in the present
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  day and it's like taboo because they could be step sing siblings
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  this way. Yes.
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  Yes, yes. So that is the plot of Lorraine
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  and I was like, this is very Melody.
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  I remember vividly watching this and thinking this is super
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  melodramatic and I don't really get what the issue is.
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  They're not related like any blood at all and it was
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  frustrating and really weird. And so that was the end of me
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  watching. Duncan sock on in anything.
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  Oh man! Yes.
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  So when I was looking up dramas that he'd been in, I'd be like
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  okay Bellamy Royal Gambler, some stuff.
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  Up until 20 to 2018 and now his comeback drama.
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  And I thought let me just look at the comeback drama.
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  If you scroll down to the next page in the dock guys.
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  Hello. I've literally I thought this
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  day I was like, hold on hold on. Maybe the fact that I didn't
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  watch pretty much any of his work had to do with I just
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  didn't find him that attractive which is really, really shallow
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  of a thing to say but I just have to say like some people
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  have types and some actors just work for some people and some
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  factors. I just don't and he was one of
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  those people that never had an appeal for me.
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  And then I saw this, these screens stills of his latest
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  drama, that's coming out this year and I was like, hold on,
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  maybe he just needs a jab. It and has some facial hair and
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  I was like, I was like I'm a changed woman.
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  Do I need to watch this drama called The Bait?
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  So, yeah, I am intrigued these photos are definitely selling
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  me. So maybe you and I can talk
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  about. Okay.
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  I'm down, I'm down because when I literally was like, hold on,
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  oh no. I'm in it because he just looks
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  like an Amman, you know, like maybe it was just, he was to
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  clean shaven and he just looked a little glossy and they gave
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  him these crazy outfits. I mean, talk about the crazy
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  outfits in, just your beautiful this show.
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  I mean, how can I mean? He's like a freakin citizen of
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  the All here in Hunger Games versus like a real honest-to-god
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  person. So you know seeing him in this
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  getup I think he's playing a detective in this new show,
• 22:07
  that's coming out this year in 2023.
• 22:09
  And I was like, hey I have I'd like to have a word because I'm
• 22:14
  sorry, I apologize for the way that I've treated you all these
• 22:18
  years anyway. So that's the man that's our
• 22:20
  male lead in the show and then we'll round it out with two
• 22:23
  people who I'm sure you're familiar with.
• 22:25
  We have a donkey AKA Jeremy and the show and he's from FT
• 22:30
  Island. Yes.
• 22:33
  And yeah. And we have Jung Yong hwa as she
• 22:36
  knew from CNBLUE, which seeing him on screen again, I was like
• 22:43
  Whiplash, like what year is it? It's been a minute.
• 22:47
  How do you feel about these guys?
• 22:49
  And what are some of the mother, or some of the other kdramas
• 22:53
  that you've seen them in? Besides, were beautiful?
• 22:56
  Yeah. You know, it's kind of Funny.
• 22:58
  So like to, you know, give the context again.
• 23:00
  I feel like FT Island was like doing their thing and then
• 23:03
  CNBLUE is kind of like new boy band of the era.
• 23:07
  A so it was kind of like a I don't know like it was a good
• 23:10
  mix of both of them coming together in a kdrama.
• 23:13
  So I was like 4 ft Island. Fans aka me at the time it was
• 23:18
  kind of like oh my gosh, new boy fan and then you get introduced
• 23:22
  to Jung yonghwa and you're like, okay, I'm on board.
• 23:26
  Look at what a music. Let's let's go.
• 23:27
  Now, so both of them. Absolutely.
• 23:29
  Love them. I, you know, I think both of
• 23:33
  them are my favorites in their respective bands as well.
• 23:36
  Like I think they're both great and they're both super talented.
• 23:38
  And I think the fact that they were band members in this show,
• 23:42
  it was just like everything you want it.
• 23:44
  Like it was like a friend thing. You know, that I just like got
• 23:46
  written up by itself is so great, but I will say, I
• 23:50
  actually did it fall out. You hungie as much as for the
• 23:52
  rest of his like kdrama stuff so like, yeah, I've seen too much
• 23:56
  of his His roles. I think I've seen Korean Odyssey
• 23:59
  but that was kind of it but I think you hot.
• 24:03
  Like I started watching his kdramas a lot more after this.
• 24:07
  So, heart strings, which came out with Park, seen a kind of
• 24:11
  was like the second lead love line that should have happened.
• 24:14
  So I definitely watch that right after and then like, yeah, I
• 24:18
  think recently he did sell your haunted house that like, kind of
• 24:21
  like one in a little bit, but there was also just like cooking
• 24:25
  movie that he was in. It's like a Chinese cooking.
• 24:28
  Quickly. So familiar.
• 24:29
  Yeah, I like I don't know, like if you go on YouTube and it's
• 24:32
  always like a popular clip because he's plays, like does
• 24:35
  really amazing chef and he does all these crazy chef things and
• 24:38
  like it's actually really, really fun.
• 24:40
  I if I find the name I'll tell you and week.
• 24:43
  Okay later but also a hilarious movie with him in it.
• 24:48
  But yeah I feel like both of them.
• 24:49
  This was like the biggest K job I've seen with both of them and
• 24:52
  then from there it was kind of like, you know, small things
• 24:56
  here and there. Yeah, so I really liked both of
• 25:01
  them in 2014 more than I did coming back to it.
• 25:05
  Especially dong Jung yonghwa, I thought he was a little bit, not
• 25:11
  a little bit, he was stiff like as a board.
• 25:14
  Yeah. In this in this show, but him
• 25:17
  and heartstrings is a, I mean, he's still pretty stoic, but a
• 25:20
  little looser and I think, I stopped watching him and stuff
• 25:26
  after marry him. If you dare, I If you seen that
• 25:29
  show, okay, it's one of the worst kdramas I've ever seen in
• 25:32
  my life. Really, in my life.
• 25:34
  It was terrible. It was terrible.
• 25:36
  Don't watch that show. So if it will actually watch it,
• 25:41
  and let me know if you agree that it's terrible.
• 25:44
  It was just horrendous, horrendous lie, written and it
• 25:48
  starred the female lead for rum princess hours.
• 25:53
  I forget her name, so familiar. Yeah.
• 25:57
  But she but she was a big name and then I was like, oh my God,
• 26:00
  it's her and this guy and I watched it bad for young key.
• 26:06
  I watched him in Bride of the century, which was one of those
• 26:08
  where he was playing like a chaebol and then he was going to
• 26:11
  marry this girl. But then something happened and
• 26:14
  they had to get a doppelganger to marry him instead.
• 26:18
  And the doppelganger was of course, super sweet, and he fell
• 26:22
  in love with her instead of like the real girl.
• 26:25
  So that's why it's called like bright as under.
• 26:27
  Anyway So love that Joe. I thought it was good and then
• 26:30
  modern farmer. I think he was also playing some
• 26:34
  like a Kpop idol and then it goes to the countryside.
• 26:37
  For some reason I didn't finish out when I dropped it, it was
• 26:40
  like really boring and I wasn't in the mood for it, but that's
• 26:43
  pretty much it for for these two.
• 26:46
  And I feel bad that again. I haven't really watched some of
• 26:49
  their other stuff. I've heard great things about
• 26:51
  sell your haunted house and I've had not finished a Korean
• 26:57
  Odyssey. Which is another Hong sisters
• 26:58
  drama. I think I dropped that one.
• 27:01
  And like, episode 5 or 6. I was like, hmm.
• 27:04
  No, yeah I think I couldn't get behind usagi.
• 27:08
  He was like really mean. I was like, that seems to be a
• 27:11
  common thing in the sisters never really really mean male
• 27:17
  lead and she just Falls for him anyway.
• 27:20
  And I was over it. So I thought he was just cruel.
• 27:23
  So I didn't finish that one anyway.
• 27:26
  All this to say we're The end of this, this intro bit.
• 27:31
  Please tell me. What did you do in returning to
• 27:34
  this 2009? Show your first kdrama ever.
• 27:38
  What did you think? What did you think of your
• 27:40
  beautiful? Yeah man.
• 27:43
  It's I totally agree that the timing is so important to
• 27:47
  understand because if I were to like write this assuming this is
• 27:53
  come out in 2023, it would be a very different score than
• 27:57
  whatever. Add it back in 2009 you know.
• 27:59
  There are so many things that were like more acceptable like
• 28:02
  so many more tropes and like I guess the general Vibe of
• 28:06
  kdramas was just so different back then but I do think just
• 28:11
  because of how ridiculous the show is and like even back then
• 28:16
  it wasn't a very serious kdrama and I feel like I'll like
• 28:19
  looking back like you don't have to try to think about it in a
• 28:21
  serious way. I still think it was very
• 28:23
  enjoyable, like I overall enjoyed watching it there is
• 28:27
  moments. Like got me laughing like out
• 28:29
  loud. Given the fact that there's
• 28:32
  still so many things, I was like, are we really doing this?
• 28:35
  Like, but like, at the same time, it was still really fun.
• 28:37
  So I'm really happy that you brought up this review and I
• 28:41
  think it was a great time to like, revisit such an old
• 28:44
  kdrama, and talk about it with you.
• 28:48
  Thank you for for being game to return to it.
• 28:51
  I know that if someone asked me to watch my first kdrama, again,
• 28:55
  I'd probably be like, I don't know.
• 28:56
  Are you sure that you You want to watch that Caterham so but
• 29:00
  this one happens to be quite iconic.
• 29:02
  It did it didn't do well at first like on broadcast and had
• 29:07
  mediocre ratings but then it gained a cult following when
• 29:10
  people started watching the drama online and I was like oh
• 29:13
  I'm one of these people that got the export of this drama and you
• 29:18
  know had it not been put online and people started raving about
• 29:24
  it we probably would just never return to it and wouldn't think
• 29:27
  anything. Of it.
• 29:28
  So it's pretty interesting to think of it, that way, it
• 29:32
  contributes to like the Holly wave, you know what I'm saying?
• 29:36
  For for me, I watch it in 2014, and I remember being in my first
• 29:40
  apartment and watching this at night and just, I remember being
• 29:44
  confused. You see how my eyebrows are
• 29:46
  furrowed right now? Like, I was watching it like
• 29:48
  that the whole time because I was like, do I love it?
• 29:51
  Or do I hate it? I can't tell.
• 29:53
  It's very old and even in C14. I thought it looked pretty
• 29:59
  pretty old and dated, of course, the production value is in high
• 30:02
  like most kdramas have a high production value today.
• 30:05
  It's a totally different time period.
• 30:07
  And again, I think I was a little more forgiving in 2014
• 30:09
  where I was like, you know it is what it is.
• 30:12
  Like it's a product of its time and these tropes are very are
• 30:16
  familiar for me so it's fine. I can dig my myself into it a
• 30:21
  bit but I do remember laughing at the first episode with You
• 30:27
  need a as a known and I was like, what is going on?
• 30:32
  It's going on, it's so wild. So I think I ended up liking it
• 30:38
  and I think I appreciated it more than anything.
• 30:40
  When I finished it in 2014 on re-watch.
• 30:45
  I was very, how do I put it? It was difficult for me to watch
• 30:50
  it and finish it and for some reason I was it was putting me
• 30:54
  to sleep. Oh, sometimes he's older.
• 30:57
  Kdramas when I returned to them. Like, I'm falling.
• 31:00
  I'm following he, he ha ha. And then I fall asleep, but and
• 31:04
  I'm like, how did I get here? I was fully awake a second ago
• 31:08
  and there's something about it. Maybe it's just comforting that
• 31:11
  I know what's gonna happen in a general sense.
• 31:13
  So I don't got to be, you know, reading everything so intently.
• 31:17
  But yeah. Maybe that's a positive, that
• 31:20
  it's sort of a shut your brain off and watch kind of show which
• 31:24
  a lot of older kdramas are there very long.
• 31:28
  Very light on plot. We said this about The Heirs
• 31:30
  thing, to The Heirs episode, where we were like, what exactly
• 31:34
  is the plot. Like, I don't think there is one
• 31:36
  because it's just kids that hate each other and are rich and they
• 31:39
  throw them together in school and like very my note things are
• 31:44
  happening to them and in this case it feels very similar in
• 31:48
  that. It's malt.
• 31:49
  Not giant, big set pieces and all of this Mayhem happening, a
• 31:56
  lot of Moving pieces, it's not like the glory and it's not
• 32:01
  like, you know, Little Women and all these trendy kdramas that
• 32:04
  are coming out in recent years where you're like, this is a
• 32:07
  plot. Yeah.
• 32:09
  This is not a plot. So I think is again, I was
• 32:16
  struck with this balance of like it's making me laugh.
• 32:18
  But I what cost, you know, and really annoyed with the male
• 32:24
  lead and the female lead pack shinae Just not aged well at
• 32:31
  all. What were some of the things I'm
• 32:33
  curious to know like that struck you as being woefully outdated
• 32:37
  more than other things. Like let's just set aside the
• 32:40
  fact that it's not filmed particularly well.
• 32:42
  They're their wardrobe is pretty heinous and the hair is a whole
• 32:50
  other discussion. What were some of the other
• 32:53
  things that you felt were really outdated?
• 32:56
  Yeah, I would say, Nowadays, like there's a lot more
• 33:00
  character that people put in. So they're kdrama people like
• 33:04
  it's like, you know, the story, The multi-dimensional Character.
• 33:08
  I feel like it's helped more. I don't people just pour about
• 33:11
  more emphasis in that these days.
• 33:13
  And I feel like the characters in this show are very, very
• 33:16
  one-dimensional. Like, you know, even like the
• 33:18
  second lead. Love lines like nowadays, you
• 33:21
  know, there's such strong compelling reasons for the
• 33:24
  second leads to have, you know, such a strong attraction.
• 33:28
  Towards the female lead in this one.
• 33:29
  It was like very minimal. It was like, they like you
• 33:33
  period. And so I feel like there's just
• 33:36
  a lot less flushing out that happened in this cage, AMA,
• 33:40
  compared to things now. And I definitely think like,
• 33:44
  just the the way that the male lead treats the female lead, I
• 33:48
  also feel like that whole dynamic is very outdated as
• 33:51
  well. Like it's funny because like
• 33:53
  friend and I kind of watched for his episodes and vitals like
• 33:56
  looking back. This is so bad.
• 33:57
  Bad because I feel like it's hot a whole era of Korean men that
• 34:00
  like you can just be really mean to the girl.
• 34:02
  You like and those people like you and it doesn't matter, it
• 34:05
  doesn't matter. And I'm like yeah that's so
• 34:07
  true. Like I don't really feel like
• 34:09
  that still exists and kdrama land like you know a little bit
• 34:12
  right? Just because it's still kind of
• 34:14
  fun. The enemies to Lover's type of.
• 34:16
  Yeah. But it's not just so blatantly
• 34:20
  mean and like it's just it's like a different level and they
• 34:23
  definitely give more back story for all of that versus in this
• 34:26
  one. I feel like it was just They
• 34:28
  struck a chord for like, oh this is how it's gonna be and then
• 34:31
  that was it. And they was just like groveling
• 34:34
  and angst to get away from that for the rest of the show.
• 34:37
  Absolutely. You have such a, you've touched
• 34:41
  on some really great things that I'm sure we can go into a little
• 34:44
  more detail in the spoiler section but absolutely the lack
• 34:48
  of character development is ridiculous in this show.
• 34:51
  Yeah, you're just kind of presented with these people.
• 34:54
  They have really one-dimensional personalities.
• 34:57
  Jeremy is This bubbly a Kyo like dude who love has loves a his
• 35:03
  dog Angelina Jolie and that's pretty much all there is to it.
• 35:07
  And each one has their own separate personality and it does
• 35:11
  feel like if you gave it a lot of credit you would think oh,
• 35:15
  they're making fun of the sort of roles in K-pop groups where
• 35:22
  they're like, oh this is the leader.
• 35:23
  This is so and so this is the Magna, this is, you know, all of
• 35:27
  Of these different where they try and make them super distinct
• 35:31
  personality wise, especially when they go on like talk shows
• 35:34
  and variety shows and they're like well this one's always got
• 35:37
  something crazy to say like this one's always the Loose Cannon.
• 35:39
  This was always very serious, you know.
• 35:42
  It's like It's a little bit much.
• 35:48
  I hear you. I honestly I don't think I can
• 35:51
  give them that much credit for it though.
• 35:54
  For some of these really OneNote characters.
• 35:57
  And the whole thing of like the male lead has to be mean and
• 36:03
  she's gonna fall for him anyway. I can't get behind that nowadays
• 36:08
  and that was something that really bothered me on this
• 36:11
  re-watch as well. Yeah, I know and I honestly will
• 36:17
  get into Some more details in a second.
• 36:20
  I do have a couple of fun facts for you the which I thought we
• 36:23
  should share. So did you notice everyone's
• 36:26
  driving an Audi in the show? That's true.
• 36:30
  That's true. I thought it was funny, so I
• 36:34
  looked it up several car companies offered to have their
• 36:37
  cars used in the drama, including, you know, the German
• 36:40
  automaker Audi. They introduced their Audi S4 on
• 36:44
  the miniseries and I thought this was a little bit odd
• 36:47
  because Is the only other time where I'm like, wow Audi's was
• 36:52
  in Iron Man. And this is literally the year
• 36:55
  after Iron Man like was in theater.
• 36:59
  So I was like, okay not long after Audi kind of made a global
• 37:03
  Resurgence with the Audi product placement.
• 37:06
  In the Iron Man movie. So it kind of like track but I
• 37:09
  was like wow I've never seen an Audi in another cage.
• 37:13
  Rama it felt a little out of place.
• 37:15
  I don't know. Yeah, that's true.
• 37:17
  Now that you mention it. I do.
• 37:18
  Yeah. I feel like they're I mean, I
• 37:20
  don't know. They always do the car product
• 37:21
  placements and these cake, right?
• 37:23
  I'm not a big car person. So I'm like, I'm just like, oh,
• 37:26
  that's a cool car and then just focus on something, that's a
• 37:29
  cool car. No.
• 37:30
  Usually I feel like I'm the same way but then sometimes if I see
• 37:34
  something that looks unusual in Korea like obviously if it's a
• 37:38
  him that I am like okay yeah that's a Korean car or something
• 37:42
  to that effect but an Audi I was like Audi thanks.
• 37:47
  So that Was a little bit attention, it caught my
• 37:50
  attention. Let's talk about the OST and the
• 37:53
  music in the show because this is a big part of This show and
• 37:59
  this era of kdrama where you had these musical kdramas like, Shut
• 38:04
  Up Flower Boy Band and this one, and oh my God, what was the
• 38:11
  band? The Other Dream High was another
• 38:13
  one. There was so many, like, musical
• 38:15
  kdramas back in the day that spoofed the Kpop industry.
• 38:20
  And for this one, I was like, I think I like the songs.
• 38:26
  Did you did you feel the same way?
• 38:28
  Oh my gosh. I think I would listen to this
• 38:31
  OST, like casually like many years honestly.
• 38:35
  After I want to skate Jam of that was just like on my, I
• 38:39
  don't know, iPod Shuffle or whatever.
• 38:40
  It looks like, I love this OST, I assume just because they were
• 38:48
  like, this is the heir of kdramas were like, any moment
• 38:50
  has a nose T associated with it, you know like you know exactly
• 38:53
  how to feel in that moment based off what songs.
• 38:55
  He's playing so like yep, it was so overdone but I still think it
• 39:00
  was like it was still so good like it wasn't like overplayed.
• 39:04
  I was just like I was feeling it, I love the OST.
• 39:06
  I think like a lots of Sun. So promise that's the one with a
• 39:11
  hoagie and you ha. I was like that was my freaking
• 39:14
  jam. It was like the perfect combo of
• 39:16
  FT Island CNBLUE. You know, it's such a good song
• 39:20
  and then obviously the more emotional ones like without
• 39:24
  words and I love darling. The lyrics obviously reflect
• 39:28
  the, you know, the main leads feelings and oh my God, it was
• 39:31
  so, it was so well done. I'm just I'm such a sucker for
• 39:35
  these like old school like music heavy kdramas.
• 39:38
  I feel like they're just, I don't know.
• 39:40
  They have a special place in my heart so I absolutely love those
• 39:43
  too. Yeah.
• 39:44
  I think they kind of fell by the wayside and now they're making a
• 39:47
  comeback and there's way more now than like, you know, ever
• 39:51
  before I feel like I was the one that I watched it.
• 39:55
  I was like, oh, This isn't so bad and then I looked online.
• 39:57
  Everyone hated it. Only if it's imitation.
• 39:59
  Have you seen that one with the sf9 guys?
• 40:03
  And the guy from you case? No I don't think.
• 40:06
  Okay it's got like modern-day not modern day but like
• 40:10
  present-day K-pop stars in it and I thought it was pretty good
• 40:15
  and then everyone was like this one sucked and I was like oh
• 40:18
  sorry I liked it whoops yeah whoops anyway so that one came
• 40:23
  to mind but there's more there's even more The concert footage in
• 40:28
  the show, they actually performed a mini concert and
• 40:32
  about 25,000 fans showed up, dude, I know and they performed
• 40:38
  promise and still Duncan suck, also, saying goodbye and what
• 40:42
  should I do? And then pakshi naysaying her
• 40:45
  characters theme song. Lovely day.
• 40:47
  So that's where you got all of that footage that's like,
• 40:49
  interspersed throughout. And, oh, we're going to do
• 40:51
  another showcase and like this, they pull from this same concert
• 40:55
  that the I did. Yeah.
• 40:57
  So I found that really, really fun and interesting that they
• 41:01
  actually did have all of these people and I don't know.
• 41:05
  I like when they do this, it works every time for me where
• 41:08
  they have like a bunch of people at a real venue and they're
• 41:12
  singing the songs and they're actually performing and it feels
• 41:15
  very believable. And some credit lends, some
• 41:19
  credibility to the show. So I was like when they do that
• 41:22
  like the movie A Star is Born. Does that too like they
• 41:24
  commandeered some Music thankful for.
• 41:28
  Yeah, festivals and shows and then they played like music from
• 41:31
  the movie. And I think I just recently,
• 41:34
  found out for that one. They didn't end up like
• 41:37
  broadcasting, the song people, just were reacting to silence
• 41:41
  because he didn't want the songs to get out in the public and
• 41:44
  have it be circulating online before the movie came out.
• 41:46
  So I was like, well, that's even more awkward.
• 41:49
  And people were still vibin and they were like, oh my God, it's
• 41:52
  Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga. So I don't think that's what
• 41:55
  Happened here. I think it was just, you know,
• 41:58
  they were actually playing live and of course, two out of the
• 42:01
  three. Angel members are real
• 42:03
  musicians, so it helps it helps for sure.
• 42:07
  And I think it actually added for the, the scenes that they
• 42:10
  did show like at the very, I don't want to say too many
• 42:13
  spoilers but then like, you know, there is a slum scenes or
• 42:17
  at least. Yeah, door.
• 42:18
  I was like, yeah, important that, everyone's reactions are
• 42:21
  genuine, and I was like, I was so happy that they had a real
• 42:24
  audience because it made me I feel like this is real, you
• 42:26
  know, these people actually care about the artists and it just
• 42:30
  adds to the story line. Absolutely.
• 42:33
  So I think that it's high time that we get into the spoilers
• 42:36
  section. So if you don't care at all
• 42:39
  about spoilers, keep listening, or if you want to watch the show
• 42:43
  and then come back, you can do that too.
• 42:45
  But we'll be back right after this.
• 42:54
  You want to come in, all right. So, we talked a lot about the
• 42:57
  music, the OSD, the cast house, some of the tropes and some of
• 43:01
  the porch rails were really dated.
• 43:03
  But now we're in the spoiler section and so, anything goes
• 43:07
  Jenny, did you have a space where you wanted to start here
• 43:12
  or I think? Maybe because you mentioned the
• 43:16
  second male lead and we didn't cover that so much in the
• 43:19
  non-spoiler section. Let's talk about the other Angel
• 43:23
  member. She knew and Jeremy and how big
• 43:25
  Also, just magically fall in love with boxing and sounds
• 43:31
  good. So I will say that the second
• 43:35
  leads for so I feel like this is a one of those K.
• 43:38
  Jamas. So we actually had to Second
• 43:40
  leads, not just the one Association who he was, I was
• 43:44
  like really on his train and like I don't give him the fact
• 43:48
  that like it was really random the way he started loving her
• 43:51
  and everything but like you know when I first watched it I was
• 43:54
  like completely sold it. In the second time around, I was
• 43:57
  like, okay, fine. I like I'll buy it and I thought
• 43:59
  that his little date where he's like kind of behind her in
• 44:02
  myeongdong the whole time. You know seeing her that may
• 44:06
  scream sounds like I freaking love you sinner.
• 44:09
  But after that this was so downhill because man's was like
• 44:15
  talking in riddles, he was like oh this is one girl that I have
• 44:19
  feelings for and she doesn't know and this girl and I'm like
• 44:23
  I was like so frustrating I know.
• 44:25
  Please just give it to her straight, dude.
• 44:28
  What are you doing? And then like you know he would
• 44:30
  get upset because she would like blow her off because she would
• 44:32
  have no idea what the context was and then he would just be
• 44:35
  all like pouty by himself and I'd be like Andrew please likely
• 44:40
  do something. This is getting so frustrated.
• 44:43
  The I think I want to root for you.
• 44:44
  You're obviously you know a nice guy as opposed to the mainland
• 44:48
  who's just like super mean to her at.
• 44:51
  Like I just I wanted to root for him but you know it's especially
• 44:54
  the second time. Watching it.
• 44:56
  I was like at a certain point. I was like dude you dug your own
• 44:59
  grave? Like you're just gonna have to
• 45:00
  deal with this. Like she's not gonna go for you,
• 45:02
  you're just not communicating and like the reasons tree like
• 45:06
  not communicating, just don't make enough sense.
• 45:08
  So I'm sorry buddy. The math isn't math and for
• 45:12
  seeing though because like my man's blue like a 30-point lead,
• 45:17
  he knew she was a girl before. Take you on did.
• 45:20
  Yeah. And he was very sweet and looked
• 45:23
  out for her. He had this amazing young The
• 45:26
  like you said, where he's falling behind her and like
• 45:29
  calling her and saying, like, oh, what do you want for
• 45:31
  dessert? And it's like it's super cute
• 45:34
  and he just decides to project his feelings onto her and
• 45:40
  convinced himself, that she will be receptive to his feelings.
• 45:44
  And never actually confesses and never gives her a chance to, to
• 45:51
  reciprocity or reject him or anything.
• 45:53
  It's always like in The Ether. And he's miscommunicating.
• 45:57
  He's speaking in riddles like you said like what the what the
• 45:59
  hell is the yoda-like thing that he's doing here?
• 46:03
  Yeah. It's very frustrating to watch
• 46:05
  him get jealous. When it can actually be fixed.
• 46:10
  Like he can fix the situation quite easily and he's so
• 46:14
  confusing. I just don't like how he was.
• 46:16
  Like, yeah. I have a he like insinuated that
• 46:22
  he had a girlfriend and then oh, And apologize to my girlfriend
• 46:29
  for The Making Believe making everyone believe that you're my
• 46:33
  girlfriend had to do this like down and dirty.
• 46:35
  When you just almost got found out in the Press convert, it was
• 46:39
  like this whole thing and yeah, he gets upset with her when she
• 46:42
  stands him up and he does he's like was going to stand her in
• 46:46
  front of a mirror and be like the woman that I was like what
• 46:51
  the hell is this? It is so she is so stupid.
• 46:55
  --Pid guid, right? Mmm-hmm.
• 46:58
  Why would he do this? When he, he knows her.
• 47:01
  He knows that she's clumsy. He knows is, she's dense.
• 47:03
  He knows, she's innocent. She's really unexperienced,
• 47:08
  right? Not just in life, but in
• 47:11
  Romance, especially so like what makes him think that he can like
• 47:14
  start getting cute with it? Yeah.
• 47:16
  And she would read it. It doesn't make sense.
• 47:19
  It's like, he blew it. He absolutely blew it, not that
• 47:23
  she would have gone with him and, you know, he Would have
• 47:26
  worked out. He was very firmly.
• 47:28
  The second male lead, and he didn't necessarily pose any
• 47:30
  threat to, like the mail. The main couple, but absolutely
• 47:35
  frustrating to watch him. On the other hand, Jeremy is a
• 47:39
  delight. I love this character.
• 47:43
  I think he's adorable and in some ways he's like a better
• 47:47
  match for at least, he matches her energy, I would say, because
• 47:53
  he's again, very simple, he's very Be kind and childlike, as
• 47:58
  well likes to have a good time, always throwing congratulation
• 48:02
  parties for everybody. He's so cute and the dog, I
• 48:06
  mean, how can you say no to the dog, Angelina Angie?
• 48:11
  So when, when Jeremy finds out that she actually likes, pick
• 48:16
  Young, It's a huge blow for him and he rides his bus, which I
• 48:22
  love the bus thing that he introduced to her.
• 48:25
  Because she was having, she had a whole.
• 48:27
  I forget which emotional Outburst breakdown that she had,
• 48:32
  but he was like, look, why don't you come on this bus with me and
• 48:36
  he introduces her to his bus, which is an empty bus line?
• 48:41
  Then takes about an hour to go, it's full circuit, the full
• 48:45
  route. And in that hour, he can cry.
• 48:47
  And he can have this privacy alone time for him to sort out
• 48:51
  his feelings. And by the time he gets off the
• 48:52
  bus, an hour later, everything sorted and he's back to normal
• 48:55
  like quote-unquote normal and it's just this this Sanctuary
• 49:01
  for him and he introduces her to this.
• 49:03
  It's a great moment when he does that but then when he finds out
• 49:06
  that she's she's dating the other member he goes on the city
• 49:10
  bus again. And I love that like full circle
• 49:13
  moment was, like, why are you on my bus?
• 49:15
  This is my bus. I had like, told you about it.
• 49:17
  Why can't you leave me alone? And she just sits there, there's
• 49:20
  not much the function, it does in that moment, but he does a
• 49:23
  really nice. Have a really nice moment here.
• 49:26
  It's a really nice performance where he is distraught, he's
• 49:30
  crying. He does does the broadcast on
• 49:33
  the phone and sings. This children's song, it's very
• 49:36
  touching and you feel for the guy.
• 49:38
  Yeah, you know, I okay, let me talk about Jeremy Kyle.
• 49:42
  Okay. I freaking love Jeremy.
• 49:45
  I think from the moment that he Fell in love with me.
• 49:49
  Me know, right. And she's just like struggling
• 49:51
  because he's like I this is a man and I'm in love with a man,
• 49:55
  I guess I'm gay now. Like he's in a state like
• 49:58
  struggling with that the entire like 10 episodes where he's just
• 50:01
  like, you know what, like I guess if I love him, then I do
• 50:05
  like, he's just like needs of makes peace with it finds out.
• 50:08
  He's a girl and he's like so happy.
• 50:10
  He's like, oh my gosh. Like I I don't have to worry
• 50:12
  about my sexuality. Like, this is a normal romance
• 50:15
  for me now, like so happy. And then the city bus scene or
• 50:19
  man's breaks down. I remember, I was like watching
• 50:23
  this at night in 2009 and I was like, sobbing in front of my
• 50:28
  desk because I was watching online and I was like, I don't
• 50:30
  know. So young at the time, right?
• 50:32
  And I was like, legitimately crying so hard at that scene
• 50:37
  with Jeremy in the bus because I felt for Jeremy more than I did
• 50:42
  for shenmue for this entire, like series.
• 50:44
  Like, I felt like Jeremy deserved just as much Does the
• 50:48
  second male lead as soon as you did and he was like always so
• 50:51
  respectful and but also was like very communicative about his
• 50:55
  emotions and I was just like and then when he did his breakdown
• 50:59
  from such a happy character to that, I was like I was
• 51:02
  distraught as a child watching this show and like, even
• 51:05
  re-watching it like I was like, how is it getting emotional?
• 51:08
  So like I love to Jeremy as a. Secondly.
• 51:12
  Like the whole thing was written really well for him.
• 51:15
  Yeah, I agree completely. And you touched on something
• 51:18
  that I forgot to bring up in the non spoilery section, but holy
• 51:20
  hell. So let's talk about the queer
• 51:23
  coding. And the fact that these gender
• 51:25
  benders from back in the day, we're like, the precursor to the
• 51:29
  BL dramas that we have prevalent today, which are really great.
• 51:34
  And I can't wait to dive deep on some of those.
• 51:36
  But like, honestly, the fact that Jeremy's questioning his
• 51:40
  sexuality throughout much of the first half of the show is like a
• 51:43
  huge deal and he just comes to terms.
• 51:47
  He I guess I just like me. No, I mean yeah.
• 51:50
  And that's all there was to it. Like, he's very, I mean, he's
• 51:53
  asking some big questions here. None of the other guys having to
• 51:57
  are having to deal with this and he's like one step ahead.
• 52:00
  Like, do I like, guys now, yeah, he's very scared about his
• 52:06
  growing feelings toward mean them and when he finds out that
• 52:09
  she's a girl who's very relieved because it just kind of confirms
• 52:13
  that he's not, he's not gay but honestly, Lee.
• 52:18
  It could, he was in that direction anyway.
• 52:20
  Like, he was like, I like this person as a person.
• 52:24
  Yeah, period. So it's really refreshing
• 52:27
  refreshing. Pretty Progressive.
• 52:29
  And again, a lot of these gender Benders have this element to
• 52:32
  them like coffee prince, and Secret Garden.
• 52:34
  And the swaps and things that people, I think the other one To
• 52:39
  the Beautiful You, which is the sports romance where she got
• 52:42
  like a ghost and takes her brother's spot in a sports
• 52:45
  college. I think they In Vibe you saying?
• 52:48
  Yeah, and again, I'm not knocking the whole she's going
• 52:53
  masquerading as her brother because this is Tale As Old As
• 52:56
  Time. Okay?
• 52:56
  Shakespeare did it Twelfth Night?
• 52:58
  All right, it's old everyone does especially with the twins
• 53:03
  thing. That's yes, straight Twelfth
• 53:05
  Night, right? Hmm.
• 53:08
  I think that it's fun to go back and think, like, what were, what
• 53:13
  were people thinking, how are people may be feeling about this
• 53:17
  back? In the day and I think more than
• 53:18
  anything. It's a way to get some
• 53:22
  Progressive forward-thinking in a pill that people can swallow.
• 53:27
  Because this is Jeremy, is a very fun, charismatic character,
• 53:31
  and he's sitting here like dealing with his feelings and
• 53:34
  it's comical, like people just laugh at it.
• 53:37
  But in the back of their minds, I mean they have to be wondering
• 53:40
  like, oh my God. Like is he, who knows?
• 53:43
  Yeah, so it's very interesting and I don't know if you Had any
• 53:47
  thoughts about some of these storylines?
• 53:51
  That now we don't we don't really have any more because we
• 53:55
  just go straight to the source which is, you know, be Ells and
• 53:58
  girl loves stories as well. Yeah, no, I think it's super
• 54:02
  important that they did that because like, I don't know, like
• 54:05
  I've never had to go through that myself, right?
• 54:07
  But I'm sure it is one of those moments where you're like, hmm,
• 54:09
  like you start questioning yourself and it is like a
• 54:11
  struggle that you have to go through delay, come to terms
• 54:14
  with it, but I totally agree with Jeremy's character where he
• 54:17
  was Like I think they painted him as such like a not like it
• 54:22
  just like as such a like a happy positive person that it was like
• 54:26
  he just was able to reach that conclusion.
• 54:29
  And you know, along the way they obviously painted a lot of more
• 54:32
  like comical kind of like scenario driven things just to
• 54:35
  make it more lighthearted. But like at the end of the day
• 54:38
  like when he is on the bus the first time with me Nam and he's
• 54:41
  like for this hour, I will just like you and he like comes to
• 54:46
  that conclusion and like States it I was like that's a big
• 54:49
  that's a big step, you know? Like for justice guy that like
• 54:52
  come to conclusion to so II do agree like I think it's really
• 54:56
  important that they they kind of like touched on some of these
• 55:00
  like transitioning moments back then.
• 55:04
  And yeah I'm sure like will see some of that you know, in
• 55:07
  today's world as well. But it was.
• 55:09
  Yeah, it was cute. The way that they had framed it
• 55:11
  in this kdrama. Mmm.
• 55:13
  Absolutely. I feel like just last word on it
• 55:16
  I just Eel-like and nowadays, we'd rather not that we'd
• 55:20
  rather, but the stories are a little more serious in nature
• 55:23
  and they're not like rom-com esque, and so light.
• 55:27
  And fluffy like, consider either one class which has a trans
• 55:32
  character in it and that was not played for Laughs that much in
• 55:37
  that show at all. It was very much, a serious
• 55:40
  social commentary on Korea and, you know, the state of the lgbtq
• 55:45
  community. So it was It's so interesting to
• 55:49
  see how just like a few years later, we're getting these kind
• 55:52
  of Stories versus Jeremy and his struggle in the first 10
• 55:55
  episodes paired with all of the other hijinks that happens with
• 55:59
  these characters. You have this one light cute
• 56:01
  character, people love him as it is and he's got this little
• 56:05
  struggle, what he's doing with which is actually pretty
• 56:08
  important for sure. So I like that.
• 56:11
  I think lossing I want to say on the second leads is I will say I
• 56:15
  was really disappointed that the And that we didn't get like our
• 56:18
  Union between mean, mm. You know mean yo and the second
• 56:22
  leaves like it was literally I mean the last episode was
• 56:26
  basically everyone telling take him like Hey figure it out buddy
• 56:31
  like you gotta just put your pride aside and get it right but
• 56:35
  at the very end like we get like the big Grand gesture between
• 56:38
  the main love line. But then like there's I feel
• 56:40
  like there's a lot of friendships along the way
• 56:42
  between mean um and the second two guys and it just stopped
• 56:45
  that like we never really saw All that part of it.
• 56:48
  And I was like, oh, I would have loved to just see them all
• 56:50
  actually still be friends because they spent a lot of time
• 56:53
  together and sure there was like these romantic feelings, but I
• 56:56
  still feel like there was a lot of friendship things.
• 56:58
  I was going on to. So I wish that I had gotten
• 57:00
  that. At the end, you make an
• 57:02
  excellent point that the ending doesn't really bother with
• 57:05
  wrapping up her friendship with the other Angel members, this
• 57:10
  other lie to others, secondary leads and it's a bit of a shame
• 57:15
  because it's not It isn't just about the romance like you said,
• 57:19
  it is about the friendship that you forged with them and how
• 57:21
  they came to truly care for her. We do get like, even in other,
• 57:26
  like Boys Over Flowers, we get an ending with all ff4, and come
• 57:31
  Dundee. And it's like, okay, we have
• 57:33
  like, we know what happens to all of them.
• 57:35
  We know that how her relationship is with all the
• 57:37
  members still. Yeah.
• 57:40
  And we don't get this kind of moment with her and the boys, we
• 57:44
  just got it with her and Young. Yeah, which is a bit.
• 57:49
  I mean Yeah, it's a quibble but I agree with it completely.
• 57:57
  Let's talk about the male lead. So we already said that.
• 58:01
  He's like mean, he's a prickly personality and she is very
• 58:07
  childlike as we said before. And what is this?
• 58:12
  Like, I, we talked about this briefly in the mr.
• 58:16
  Sunshine episode, where, what does it say that?
• 58:20
  Is it Is it subscribing to some sort of like Purity Concept in
• 58:24
  the Korean Society, where you have these very childlike egg
• 58:30
  yolk inexperienced, obviously virginal female leads, and then
• 58:36
  you have these really mean, grumpy, male leads and they do
• 58:41
  everything wrong, they make every mistake, they say, all the
• 58:44
  wrong words that they still end up together.
• 58:46
  So, I don't know, I think it's the same thing like mr.
• 58:52
  Sunshine's way more recent, but you know, that was also with the
• 58:56
  added bonus of, he's much older than her.
• 58:58
  There's a giant age Gap and the female lead is much younger.
• 59:03
  She's in her 20s. So, I don't know.
• 59:07
  In this case, they take it a step further because she's a nun
• 59:11
  and like training to be a nun. And it's very much the sound of
• 59:14
  music all over again or she's catching feelings.
• 59:17
  You don't know what to do. She's scared and she's doing all
• 59:21
  these really crazy, ridiculous things.
• 59:23
  She's doing the pig face being, I was over it.
• 59:27
  I was over at the second time she did I was like, where does
• 59:30
  this is too much every time I cute anymore, lat, I'm sorry.
• 59:38
  I think like I don't know, this is like a common Trope.
• 59:40
  I socially that was like bigger. I think before like back then
• 59:45
  with like yeah your kdramas I will say they always try to
• 59:48
  redeem the male lead in some way and sometimes they succeed but
• 59:53
  like most of the time. They don't like, right?
• 59:56
  Like I'm sorry taking. I'm like sorry, you have really
• 59:59
  bad mommy issues. Like she seems like a really
• 1:00:02
  terrible person but like yeah, it also doesn't justify like
• 1:00:06
  one. Thing happening in your past for
• 1:00:08
  you to be just an asshole for the rest of your life, you know.
• 1:00:10
  Like that's like I just feel like they always try to do that
• 1:00:14
  with the male leads and like I don't know, probably when I was
• 1:00:17
  younger when I was sort of watching this, I bought it.
• 1:00:19
  I was like, yeah, you know, sad boy, sad, boys can do bad things
• 1:00:22
  but like now that I'm older, it's like no, like you got it.
• 1:00:25
  Like if you have problems go find help.
• 1:00:28
  Like, don't take it out on this innocent female who's just
• 1:00:31
  trying to be nice to you. And like, yeah, something that's
• 1:00:33
  like frustrating is like, you know, Miss always.
• 1:00:36
  So nice and even when she does the nicest things, I feel like
• 1:00:39
  taking is like really rude about it, like, there is a scene
• 1:00:42
  where, like, on his birthday, you know, he's like he has this
• 1:00:44
  whole confrontation with the mom.
• 1:00:46
  The mom forgets his birthday. So he goes back to the recording
• 1:00:48
  studio and he's like really sad. She sees it and she's literally
• 1:00:52
  like running to the convenience store trying to like buy him
• 1:00:54
  water, replace the life and do like the nicest things for this
• 1:00:58
  guy and literally he confronts her and he's like like did you
• 1:01:02
  cause another problem again or at least know something along
• 1:01:04
  those lines. And I was like, yeah.
• 1:01:06
  Like really, you know, just like be nice and they try to show the
• 1:01:10
  kind side of him and I get that, that's what the drama writers.
• 1:01:14
  And, you know, they tried to make it seem like he's a nice
• 1:01:17
  guy with a bad boy like outside, but like, sometimes it just
• 1:01:21
  doesn't fly after like that many episodes, you know.
• 1:01:24
  And like, I don't know, going back, like, like, I feel like
• 1:01:28
  the rough, like exterior. Like, sometimes you just need to
• 1:01:31
  drop that earlier on and not on the very last episode for us at
• 1:01:35
  them be like, okay, We're like rooting for the couple so I
• 1:01:38
  don't know. That was always like a weird
• 1:01:40
  part like even when the first watch it, so now, like
• 1:01:42
  re-watching, I feel like the main lead.
• 1:01:44
  A couple romance was always like a little bit like hard to
• 1:01:47
  swallow because of how quickly he can be.
• 1:01:51
  Yeah, he's super unpleasant. He's rude.
• 1:01:54
  He's constantly making wig out like he's always like, why is he
• 1:01:58
  always doing that face? The pouty face, the angry pouty
• 1:02:01
  face. He's not nice.
• 1:02:05
  And there's no reason for her to to like him to fall for him,
• 1:02:11
  he's male again, I think that The the the fact that it's
• 1:02:17
  written by a woman is really annoying to me to women, right?
• 1:02:21
  Is that you, you, they perpetuating this, this Trope,
• 1:02:25
  this this cliche that she's just going to fall for him, no matter
• 1:02:27
  what. And I don't see why I don't
• 1:02:32
  really care about his mommy issues.
• 1:02:35
  And the entire backstory, the fact that the Hong sisters tried
• 1:02:38
  to get us to believe that maybe they were siblings, and would
• 1:02:43
  dick you'll get out. Out with that nonsense, which we
• 1:02:47
  again we had way more of that back in the day was like, oh
• 1:02:50
  they kind of fall for each other.
• 1:02:51
  Then it's like, hold the phone. They might be siblings.
• 1:02:55
  I don't understand why they need to do this to us emotionally.
• 1:02:59
  Like now, I just feel achy about it, flaky behind offices.
• 1:03:03
  And I'm like, I don't need to feel this way like so I'll try
• 1:03:06
  to make them related. I hated that.
• 1:03:09
  I still do gross. I hate it.
• 1:03:13
  Yeah, so things like that. And then it just got even more
• 1:03:16
  complicated. The backstory.
• 1:03:19
  I don't care. So, his stress, the fact that he
• 1:03:23
  can't work out. His trauma is very frustrating
• 1:03:26
  to me because it's not like she doesn't have trauma, she has
• 1:03:30
  trauma, but she's not a dick. So I don't get why it's okay for
• 1:03:36
  him and not, okay, for her. Something else that made me
• 1:03:39
  upset was that she was, I don't know what the word is, but she
• 1:03:43
  was always putting herself down. And she was like, oh yeah, I
• 1:03:47
  won't be a bother. Don't worry, I'll stay away from
• 1:03:49
  you. I'm not going to cause any
• 1:03:50
  issues. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
• 1:03:53
  And he was very arrogant and prideful and wouldn't apologize
• 1:03:58
  when he knew he did something wrong or said something mean and
• 1:04:02
  it was just him doing very tiny gestures to try and make up for
• 1:04:07
  it or show the audience that he cares.
• 1:04:09
  And again it's not enough, it's really toxic and I don't like
• 1:04:15
  Like how she is constantly trying to make up for wrongs
• 1:04:19
  that she didn't do? And yes, yes she's clumsy but
• 1:04:24
  like if you spill a glass of water, like there's nothing like
• 1:04:27
  what what else you want to do? She's gonna clean it up and say,
• 1:04:30
  sorry. And that's fine.
• 1:04:31
  Yeah, but it was on an endless loop throughout the show and,
• 1:04:37
  you know, I just, I think we challenge shows more than then
• 1:04:42
  this now, right? We don't kind of let this be the
• 1:04:47
  end-all be-all of a show. And again, that's the problem.
• 1:04:51
  L'm I guess what the show is that there's not much plot and
• 1:04:54
  this is like the conflict. Is them just having these little
• 1:04:58
  little arguments and little things and she's constantly
• 1:05:02
  losing things and finding things like the hair clip thing.
• 1:05:06
  I got the hair clip like third time or whatever.
• 1:05:10
  She loses that hair clip. I was like girl just throw it
• 1:05:12
  away. Oh my God.
• 1:05:15
  We are over there clip now you know, like and I totally agree
• 1:05:19
  with you where it's like I feel like She has a lot of like,
• 1:05:23
  self-esteem issues, right? And I'm sure it's just she has
• 1:05:25
  like a pretty rough pass so like maybe that's what feeds into it
• 1:05:29
  but like it does suck that. He never really brings her up,
• 1:05:32
  you know? It's just like I agree nowadays
• 1:05:35
  like we challenged these things a lot more waddling like
• 1:05:38
  probably back then when we watch it was like fine.
• 1:05:40
  This was just normal like you did think about it.
• 1:05:42
  But yeah like dude looking at this a second time it's like
• 1:05:46
  just because you make your really cute stuffed doll with
• 1:05:49
  like like a pig nose on a rabbit.
• 1:05:51
  Stuff like that doesn't mean that you're actually being kind
• 1:05:54
  to hurt, you know. It's like we, as viewers can see
• 1:05:58
  you care. But like, you need to be better
• 1:06:00
  about communicating that because this is not the right way to
• 1:06:03
  handle relationship. So I totally get you.
• 1:06:06
  Like they, she is very down on herself and like everyone around
• 1:06:11
  her. Praise on that.
• 1:06:12
  And it's just, it's not a, its it is pretty toxic, like, even
• 1:06:16
  like the code Uncle good, people like the manager guy, you know,
• 1:06:20
  he's like you That to his Advantage.
• 1:06:23
  I mean, obviously the actress. Hey, she's like, you know, she's
• 1:06:28
  just freaking pokin holes all up in her self-esteem and we can
• 1:06:31
  get into them later. But like yeah, I just it sucks
• 1:06:34
  that even the main Loveline, the male lead just doesn't seem to
• 1:06:39
  really help her self-esteem and lift her up.
• 1:06:42
  It's just, you know, all this back-and-forth of like favors
• 1:06:45
  and, you know, that kind of stuff, which is not the best way
• 1:06:48
  to start a relationship, but I guess it worked for them.
• 1:06:51
  So, yeah, speaking of their relationship.
• 1:06:54
  What did you think of the overuse of the star analogy?
• 1:06:59
  Oh, my gosh. Robbed.
• 1:07:00
  Our okay. Are you gonna hate me for this?
• 1:07:02
  But I kind of loved it. Oh my God, it's so cheesy.
• 1:07:07
  But it was perfect for that time, you know, like I hated it,
• 1:07:11
  but I loved it. You know what I mean?
• 1:07:13
  It was like so over you. Is, it was so like gross, at a
• 1:07:17
  certain point we were like really, like I can't see you in
• 1:07:20
  the dark. I can see you in the light.
• 1:07:21
  Like, all of those. It's so overdone, but I don't
• 1:07:25
  know, man, 09 kdramas, like these overuse tropes.
• 1:07:29
  Like I kind of the cheesy side of me is like, oh, I love it.
• 1:07:34
  We gooey like just like let's let's love each other.
• 1:07:37
  Like we're stars and the star necklace and you're my star,
• 1:07:40
  your mind. Oh God, I kind of loved it.
• 1:07:44
  I'm sorry. I think I loved it when they
• 1:07:46
  first did it, which I think was an episode 7.
• 1:07:49
  They get lost in the woods. Woods.
• 1:07:52
  Yeah, something at night is night blindness, which Allah I
• 1:07:55
  guess yelling weakness. Yeah, one weakness.
• 1:07:57
  He has night blindness and he can only see the moon.
• 1:08:02
  She calls the moon, a star, and then he corrects her, which is
• 1:08:06
  like, again, like to shut up. Like, it's don't have to
• 1:08:09
  correct. Every time she says something
• 1:08:10
  slightly wrong. She says, even if the moon is
• 1:08:13
  not a star, the Moon is useful. Mmm.
• 1:08:16
  She ends up saying that I'm like the moon that's just clinging to
• 1:08:19
  you. Who is like the And he says, the
• 1:08:23
  moon isn't useless, no matter how many other stars are are at
• 1:08:26
  night. All I can see is the moon, which
• 1:08:28
  is like, it's very Swoon worthy. Basically saying, all I see is
• 1:08:34
  you, hmm. Which is fine.
• 1:08:36
  Then they beat a frickin dead horse.
• 1:08:40
  Yeah, with this star analogy over and over and over, and
• 1:08:44
  over. Oh I can't see my star.
• 1:08:46
  Oh I'm unable to see my star right now.
• 1:08:49
  Oh my star shining so bright and like shut.
• 1:08:52
  Oh my God. I hated it because they just
• 1:08:55
  they did they overdid it? Like to be quite honest with
• 1:08:58
  you, if they had just referred to it one or two more times at
• 1:09:02
  really good points throughout the rest of the show, I would
• 1:09:04
  been totally fine with it, but the fact that the get, it was
• 1:09:06
  like every episode, she's referring to him as a star, he's
• 1:09:10
  referring to her as the star, the moon, the sun, whatever, and
• 1:09:13
  I could not deal with it. I was very I mean, maybe I'm
• 1:09:20
  just colder now than I was in 2014 but I was like, oh my God
• 1:09:24
  so much I get, you know, like I totally understand where you're
• 1:09:27
  coming from. Uh, agreed.
• 1:09:29
  That it was 100% over adopt, but I feel like the o9k JAMA things
• 1:09:34
  are just over done from the acting to the osts to these
• 1:09:38
  cheesy tropes. Like everything is so
• 1:09:40
  over-the-top over Don and that's not like, I'm not gave it a
• 1:09:44
  certain charm and I feel like I totally understand now you're
• 1:09:48
  like, oh my God. So much, but I think in that
• 1:09:51
  time it was, it was okay. And that was like, you know,
• 1:09:55
  part of the reason why people love the K jobs because it was
• 1:09:58
  so much, it was just so right at the top.
• 1:10:01
  So I don't know. I feel like it's a, you know,
• 1:10:04
  it's relative now to like look at these things.
• 1:10:09
  Speaking of relative, let's talk about his mom because she's
• 1:10:13
  definitely a billion of the show.
• 1:10:16
  And What the hell is going on with her?
• 1:10:21
  I just thought I haven't seen it.
• 1:10:23
  So that's the same mom from the airs.
• 1:10:26
  Okay. Okay.
• 1:10:28
  And it was like, she's actually the worst mom ever.
• 1:10:35
  She abandons. Her child, I've really kind of
• 1:10:39
  lows, her son and was obsessed with this song, writer who she
• 1:10:46
  sang his song once and now she's Kind of on the downhill trend
• 1:10:52
  for popularity and she wants to redo the song.
• 1:10:55
  She's trying to like pigeonhole her son into producing the song
• 1:10:58
  and like I do not give a shit and then at the end she we find
• 1:11:07
  out. She's completely delusional
• 1:11:09
  because she stole the song bought the song from under
• 1:11:13
  menials mom and who's an up-and-coming singer and the
• 1:11:17
  recorded the song believed her. Her own bullshit, that the song
• 1:11:22
  was written for her. The, the songwriter menials dad
• 1:11:25
  wanted to get back with her. And it's like what?
• 1:11:28
  Yeah, is this? Yeah, really messy.
• 1:11:32
  It's really messy. I genuinely just disliked her
• 1:11:36
  character from the beginning to the end.
• 1:11:38
  Like she had no Redemption Arc like none of her reasonings.
• 1:11:42
  Made me feel bad for her like just not.
• 1:11:45
  She was. So she's just such a villain.
• 1:11:47
  And like, to be honest, I didn't know.
• 1:11:49
  Why her storyline kept coming up?
• 1:11:52
  Like literally I would be like all on the in gel train you
• 1:11:55
  know, blah blah blah. And then we go to like the mom
• 1:11:57
  and I feel like like why are we here?
• 1:11:59
  Why are we talking about hard to Mom and the aunt at some to in a
• 1:12:02
  room together? It just gives me so much
• 1:12:04
  anxiety. Like I do not want to see on the
• 1:12:06
  video on the screen right now. Like give me back my my people,
• 1:12:10
  you know and so I just didn't know where they were going to do
• 1:12:14
  what Their storyline. I guess at the very end, you
• 1:12:16
  know, her whole situation with Minami.
• 1:12:19
  Is Dad and I all that. Like, that was what broke the
• 1:12:22
  main couple up. So I was like, okay, I guess
• 1:12:24
  that's why she was a focus even at all for this show.
• 1:12:30
  But yeah, I totally agree with you.
• 1:12:31
  I was like, I do not care about all of your just delusional love
• 1:12:35
  things in your head. Like you're a terrible person
• 1:12:38
  for abandon your son in the hospital.
• 1:12:40
  You're a terrible person for like stealing music and like,
• 1:12:43
  you know, trying to tell yourself that it was for you.
• 1:12:45
  And like all of her scenes were just such a downer.
• 1:12:48
  So you just, yeah. Thinking and sad and
• 1:12:51
  manipulating people like the entire time and I was like, girl
• 1:12:55
  get off screen like I do not care about get off the screen.
• 1:12:59
  Yeah she was super self-destructive a terrible mom
• 1:13:03
  and I okay so here's the thing, I don't mind when moms are
• 1:13:08
  flawed, people are human, that's fine.
• 1:13:10
  This lady didn't even try. Okay.
• 1:13:12
  Yeah. Just tear did not even try and
• 1:13:15
  the flashback that taking only has as a child like he was
• 1:13:18
  eating with his mom. Out in a restaurant and she's
• 1:13:21
  like don't make trouble for me and makes him eat shellfish
• 1:13:26
  shrimp and he she doesn't remember the, he's severely
• 1:13:29
  allergic so he just Downs the shrimp anyway, trying to not
• 1:13:33
  make make waves, and he starts like having an allergic reaction
• 1:13:37
  starts coughing and like Breathing heavily and she's just
• 1:13:40
  like don't make trouble for me. Go to the bathroom quietly and
• 1:13:42
  he has like I don't even know what he did to end the the
• 1:13:47
  attack that he was having but this Flash Maxine was like very
• 1:13:51
  telling and super heartbreaking and yeah, obviously he'd have
• 1:13:56
  trauma. Yes, he has abandonment issues.
• 1:13:58
  Yes, he has mommy issues as a result of this terrible woman.
• 1:14:02
  But like do I really feel for her at any point?
• 1:14:06
  No. Do I feel for the aunt?
• 1:14:08
  At any point mean yells Aunt, who comes to live with the boys
• 1:14:12
  and then leaves and tries to get the money out of the royalties
• 1:14:16
  for the song that they're reading, shut up.
• 1:14:19
  Yup. I don't care grade, a grade.
• 1:14:22
  Okay, so let's start talking about hey who I think is a
• 1:14:27
  actress and she starts causing a lot of issues and trouble.
• 1:14:31
  She thinks she's a second, female lead.
• 1:14:33
  She's not like okay yeah. At home girls also.
• 1:14:38
  So delusional. And she's just like mean for no
• 1:14:41
  reason. And like I hate that she was a
• 1:14:45
  villain because I feel like mean, mm or me know She should
• 1:14:49
  not have given this random lady. So much power over her or it
• 1:14:54
  just is causing all these problems.
• 1:14:56
  And at the end of the day, I feel like hey did not like
• 1:15:00
  suffer as much as I thought she would.
• 1:15:02
  She's like my friends with fucking Mi Nam now.
• 1:15:05
  And I'm like, what? Like this is.
• 1:15:07
  So okay, sorry to me like oh not her thing.
• 1:15:10
  Just really irked me know. It hurts me too because she's
• 1:15:14
  smart. Mhm.
• 1:15:16
  She's very quick intelligent. She's intuitive Of and she
• 1:15:19
  figures everything out really early and she's manipulative,
• 1:15:23
  but like, you got to give her props because she's getting info
• 1:15:27
  where other people were, like, the weren't gonna give her
• 1:15:30
  anything. And she was pretending to know
• 1:15:33
  the secret, and then she figures it out honestly, very admirable
• 1:15:37
  qualities. Like in a in any person like
• 1:15:39
  she's very resourceful. She uses her powers for evil and
• 1:15:43
  she's constantly bullying mean yo.
• 1:15:46
  Yeah, and manipulating her and menials like She has no powers.
• 1:15:51
  She has no, no way to retaliate or, you know, out think like,
• 1:15:58
  hey e. So it's very frustrating to
• 1:16:00
  watch her because she's, it's like a cat playing with a mouse,
• 1:16:02
  you're like, okay, the mouse is never going to give away here.
• 1:16:05
  Yeah, for sure. And I just feel like so much of
• 1:16:08
  the plot moving forward is driven by just how mean Hayes
• 1:16:12
  and I just don't love that. Like, like I think we touched on
• 1:16:15
  this earlier, what the character development, right?
• 1:16:17
  But like, people are making decisions.
• 1:16:19
  Because they're getting different or becoming better as
• 1:16:22
  characters. They're making decisions because
• 1:16:24
  some really mean actress, lady is forcing you to do certain
• 1:16:28
  things. And I just right, I hated that
• 1:16:31
  she was just this overused plot device like over and over and
• 1:16:35
  over again. Like the reason why the boys
• 1:16:36
  find out that means a girl. Like that's because of hey you
• 1:16:40
  know and like every single step of the way it's just hanging in
• 1:16:43
  the background being like you let me make this happen and like
• 1:16:46
  she even when she dumped water on me now.
• 1:16:49
  The state Kerry moment. Oh my gosh.
• 1:16:52
  I just that whole thing. I was just like, why is he
• 1:16:55
  behind all of this? Like, I just really, really
• 1:16:58
  disliked her as a villain and like, I totally give it to her,
• 1:17:02
  though. You're totally right.
• 1:17:03
  Where she is smart and resourceful.
• 1:17:05
  And she's like, the only person that is not who's, like,
• 1:17:08
  figuring things out. But, like, yeah, just
• 1:17:11
  frustrating that she's just such a one-dimensional villain, we
• 1:17:14
  don't even get a reason. Why, like, I don't even know why
• 1:17:18
  she really I came into the picture of than the fact that
• 1:17:21
  like she just didn't like, how take him like treated her maybe
• 1:17:24
  and then suddenly fell in love with him to like it was know
• 1:17:28
  what I thought that was funny, was that she believed her own
• 1:17:32
  hype like they were like, they say, we're a great couple of.
• 1:17:36
  Yeah. So like we should be a great
• 1:17:38
  couple and I'm like, lady. What are you doing?
• 1:17:42
  Like, she's believing the headlines and her own hype which
• 1:17:45
  is rather stupid like in the grand scheme of things like we
• 1:17:49
  Just like iping of her, her intelligence and like she's over
• 1:17:54
  here, just kind of like, I have this great guy and you're like,
• 1:17:59
  no, like it's a fake relationship, fake, fake dating
• 1:18:03
  Trope. And yeah, she's believing that
• 1:18:06
  she can make a real and it's quite sad to see her just sort
• 1:18:12
  of banging her head against the wall and torture menial.
• 1:18:16
  And sorter the guys torture Tick Young.
• 1:18:19
  Because Tekken clearly like wants nothing to do with her and
• 1:18:25
  she like, she's inviting herself over and having them make her
• 1:18:29
  lunch and, you know, different photo shoots.
• 1:18:33
  She invites herself on things and they're like, what do you
• 1:18:36
  what it actually. What are you doing?
• 1:18:38
  Yeah, it's pathetic. She's pathetic.
• 1:18:43
  Like ultimately, I just couldn't, I can't stand when
• 1:18:47
  they just, I can see her doing it a couple times.
• 1:18:49
  Is it was throughout like the show.
• 1:18:51
  She didn't learn any lessons, she didn't have any sort of
• 1:18:54
  Reckoning at the end. She I think proof of her.
• 1:18:59
  Redemptive Arc is a, she doesn't tell the reporter, the truth and
• 1:19:05
  say, yeah, mean yo is mean, mm? Yeah.
• 1:19:09
  She's playing her brother. Which I guess it's like the bare
• 1:19:14
  minimum, right? Like don't say anything but then
• 1:19:16
  she sort of gives it away as well when she like, pretends to
• 1:19:19
  faint and the reporters. Like, just not, if you think
• 1:19:23
  that I'm like, oh my God, so she sort of gives it away and then
• 1:19:28
  she tries to warn them. So I thought that was her
• 1:19:31
  Redemptive Arc. That was pretty much it for her.
• 1:19:35
  And then me now, I'm the real me Nam has a crush on her.
• 1:19:39
  Evidently my gosh. I was so frustrated.
• 1:19:42
  Stated I was like, okay first of all they connect with your
• 1:19:44
  sister, or maybe just download about how terrible this lady is
• 1:19:47
  before. You're even like, I don't know,
• 1:19:49
  like buddy-buddy with her like, oh, so bizarre.
• 1:19:52
  I just, yeah, you know, II something else that was really
• 1:19:57
  bothersome to me, is the fact that the twins do not in any
• 1:20:01
  way, shape, or form seem like, siblings to me, they don't know
• 1:20:05
  anything about each other. She had no clue at all.
• 1:20:09
  That her brother was trying to be a KPop star.
• 1:20:12
  Trying to get into this company and was like, she had no idea.
• 1:20:18
  Yeah. And then vice versa when the guy
• 1:20:21
  comes back. Her brother comes back of
• 1:20:23
  evidently. They have no, no conversation,
• 1:20:27
  no contact, she's missing in action.
• 1:20:29
  The boys don't know where she is.
• 1:20:31
  The brother doesn't give a shit. Evidently, yeah.
• 1:20:34
  I'm like, what kind of family is this?
• 1:20:37
  They're all they have, they have nobody else.
• 1:20:40
  No other family. The aunt sucks.
• 1:20:42
  It's and that's it. They don't have Mom.
• 1:20:43
  They don't have a dad, they grew up in an orphanage.
• 1:20:45
  I don't understand this relationship, so I don't know if
• 1:20:50
  you had any feelings for that. I have a little sister and I'm
• 1:20:53
  like we're constantly texting like, hey, I'm at Publix.
• 1:20:57
  Do you need anything? Like, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:20:59
  Know, for sure. It's just there's so much, like,
• 1:21:03
  like I think at the very beginning, they tried to
• 1:21:05
  establish the Minami, no relationship.
• 1:21:07
  Like they were both on the Carousel and the kids were all
• 1:21:10
  bullying them. And then they were like, you
• 1:21:13
  know, me now, like I'll find her parents or something like that
• 1:21:16
  and I was like, okay so they have relationship and then from
• 1:21:18
  there on it was just like absolutely nothing about radios,
• 1:21:22
  brotherly relationship. Like also like, yeah, I get
• 1:21:25
  that, he's in the US and C's recovering from surgery, but
• 1:21:27
  like, would you guys not like message each other?
• 1:21:30
  Like, yes, you not have phones. Like, maybe talk, like, have a
• 1:21:33
  heart to heart to be like, you know, this is tough for me.
• 1:21:36
  Like, do you really want this, like something to give us
• 1:21:39
  something for that relationship? And it was just like, Like
• 1:21:42
  nothing. And I honestly, I will say when
• 1:21:44
  I watch the show, like, I took it at face value the first time
• 1:21:47
  around because I was like, hey, you know, it's just such an
• 1:21:49
  afterthought and it's like, you're just so focused on
• 1:21:52
  menials life and inside of angel that you're not even thinking
• 1:21:55
  about what the real mean on this doing, right?
• 1:21:57
  But like now the second time watching it, it's just so
• 1:22:01
  bizarre. So, sleep with the ending where
• 1:22:03
  you're just like, but like the brothers getting, with the
• 1:22:06
  person who's so mean to Sister the whole time, like it's like
• 1:22:09
  what? Yes, like this is relationship.
• 1:22:12
  Could have easily been solved when menial was like, Hey, that
• 1:22:16
  bitch was a bitch to me. Yeah, Peter thanks.
• 1:22:18
  Don't even look at her. Yeah, one sentence.
• 1:22:22
  I'll be like, oh, really weird? Okay, never mind.
• 1:22:26
  That's all it takes. She doesn't have to even go into
• 1:22:29
  detail and be like she did x y z to me.
• 1:22:31
  She threw some water on me. She stole my hair clips you
• 1:22:34
  live. Uh, no.
• 1:22:35
  She doesn't need to go and see even that much detail.
• 1:22:37
  Yeah. She just needs to be like stay
• 1:22:39
  away from that hope and that's it.
• 1:22:40
  Like, I would have been Enough. I would have been.
• 1:22:43
  Okay. Yeah.
• 1:22:45
  So weird and plus like I feel like with me not like the real
• 1:22:49
  mean on, we never really get much of like how he integrated
• 1:22:52
  into the groove because I bet that was so freaking weird for
• 1:22:55
  him to write because it's like yeah he went from having mean
• 1:22:59
  you know, like pretending to be him now actually having the real
• 1:23:03
  guy and it would have been like I would have thought there would
• 1:23:06
  have been some fun moments there, probably could have been
• 1:23:09
  like, you know, like it Grecian and like, are they friends like
• 1:23:14
  that? They get along at the end, we
• 1:23:16
  like, how did that all go but like nothing.
• 1:23:18
  Nothing there, it's missing content.
• 1:23:21
  You know what I'm saying? Like, how is it 16 episodes?
• 1:23:24
  And then they get to the end. You're like, but wait, what
• 1:23:26
  happened to, like how did we get here?
• 1:23:29
  And it could have been a neat as easy as now they have mean, um,
• 1:23:33
  the real guy and the three of them are trying to like, suss
• 1:23:36
  him out and they offer him water, hot tea, or juice all
• 1:23:40
  over again, the same thing that they did to me.
• 1:23:42
  Neil and he chooses soda or said, like something off a wall,
• 1:23:46
  not even an option. He's not even picking sides
• 1:23:49
  between the three guys and they're like, oh, that alone
• 1:23:53
  would lend a lot of like, filling the gaps.
• 1:23:58
  You know, what I'm saying? Between?
• 1:24:00
  Okay, mean, you left to find herself, figure out her feelings
• 1:24:05
  heal, whatever. Mmm.
• 1:24:06
  And now they have a brand new member that they have to
• 1:24:09
  establish rapport with. Like how do we get to the end of
• 1:24:14
  the show so it's not done well back then.
• 1:24:21
  Also, I feel like the end episode was never really a big
• 1:24:25
  Focus, you know, like a boy, this is common for a lot of
• 1:24:28
  older cage on this or it's like, the inkstand all that is like
• 1:24:32
  the big focus and then to the end, it's kind of like, okay,
• 1:24:35
  we're writing everyone off like put a bow on it, tied up, like,
• 1:24:38
  send it out, you know, that's it.
• 1:24:39
  And I feel like nowadays, it's actually like I don't like we're
• 1:24:42
  super critical that on post a playlist, but I feel like I'm
• 1:24:45
  sure you are as well, your cage on reviews, but like the ending
• 1:24:48
  is so important because that's like the last impression your
• 1:24:51
  left. Yeah.
• 1:24:51
  When you watch a kdrama and I feel like with your beautiful
• 1:24:54
  like I, you know, first time watching I loved it and then the
• 1:24:58
  ending even then felt like really sudden for me I was like,
• 1:25:01
  oh okay I guess it's just done now and I feel like nowadays
• 1:25:05
  there's a lot more emphasis on that versus back then.
• 1:25:07
  Like that was almost normal like people didn't like she wasn't
• 1:25:11
  due back. Badly because the ending was
• 1:25:13
  bad. You know, great observation
• 1:25:15
  that's a fantastic observation. There was more about the journey
• 1:25:17
  than the destination and I want the wedding, I want this, I want
• 1:25:21
  that and it's like you know back back then that wasn't a focus.
• 1:25:26
  They weren't people are already going to show.
• 1:25:29
  If the ratings were high, people were already going to show up
• 1:25:32
  for the finale. They didn't need to do anything
• 1:25:33
  special, to Foster more word of mouth or, you know, get people
• 1:25:39
  in other in dollars an international audience.
• 1:25:41
  There was I'm really an international audience outside
• 1:25:44
  of East Asia in 2009. So you know what I'm saying?
• 1:25:49
  Like there's been thinking about different things now in
• 1:25:51
  different audiences and you're absolutely right.
• 1:25:54
  That like the closing episode wasn't wasn't a thing.
• 1:25:58
  Yeah, I also feel like now because like back then like, you
• 1:26:01
  know, you watch this on TV or, you know, as they came out first
• 1:26:05
  right now it's like, you know, streaming culture like that's
• 1:26:07
  where everyone watches kdramas outside of, you know, Korea.
• 1:26:11
  You know, everyone Is it on a streaming platform?
• 1:26:13
  And like re-watch ability is something I feel like people do
• 1:26:16
  think about now Morris? Yeah, maybe than before, because
• 1:26:19
  before I was like, it's on TV. It's done, you know, the ratings
• 1:26:22
  are good, okay? Like period end of story versus
• 1:26:25
  now it's like can we keep people like you know interested in
• 1:26:29
  these shows coming up to multiple Seasons now to like
• 1:26:32
  it's like a different Focus so I don't know different different
• 1:26:35
  like things that people care about these days.
• 1:26:39
  Yeah can we sell it overseas can.
• 1:26:41
  Go on Netflix, and it go here. And that's, I don't know if I
• 1:26:47
  necessarily agree with that either, but there is like a
• 1:26:50
  point to be made. Like this is they were focused
• 1:26:53
  on different things back then. And this was largely for the
• 1:26:57
  Korean audience, and I maybe like the Korean audience, just
• 1:27:00
  didn't like, they were like, I just want them to get back
• 1:27:02
  together and that's that. Yeah, not that.
• 1:27:04
  It has to be this, like, Grand gesture and have all of these
• 1:27:09
  points and needed to be checked off at the end.
• 1:27:11
  Like we feel today. You know, speaking on that, I
• 1:27:17
  feel like I didn't remember the ending as much as I remembered
• 1:27:20
  other things in the show. Yeah, you know, like the
• 1:27:24
  performances, like some of the photo shoots?
• 1:27:27
  I remembered. I remembered the final episode,
• 1:27:31
  I think where she again, they're like, oh mean Times missing he's
• 1:27:37
  in whatever City it's not going to make it back the company.
• 1:27:41
  President wants demands to see him because he's good feeling
• 1:27:45
  some type of way. He's very suspicious that
• 1:27:47
  they're pulling a fast, one on him or something.
• 1:27:49
  So we need you to be mean, I'm again, and I'm like oh I
• 1:27:53
  remember this whole thing, she gets drunk and pick young
• 1:27:56
  recognizes her and takes her home and it's like I remember
• 1:28:00
  that scene. I remember her like slumping
• 1:28:02
  over on his lap and he's like he like realizes oh it's my God.
• 1:28:06
  Oh my God, she was missing all the stock.
• 1:28:11
  All that stuff. I remember her seeing Mother
• 1:28:15
  Superior. Carrier a bunch and like
• 1:28:19
  watching she kept praying to Mother Superior and I'm like,
• 1:28:21
  but that's. Is that even a thing?
• 1:28:24
  I don't know. I'm not Catholic.
• 1:28:26
  So I was like, that seems a little wrong, isn't it?
• 1:28:29
  But like, Mary not Brothers. Why is she praying to the Mother
• 1:28:33
  Superior? I feel like she was, like,
• 1:28:35
  trying to talk to the Mother Superior like as in like, give
• 1:28:39
  me advice, you know, yes. You know what I mean?
• 1:28:41
  It's kind of like, yeah. I don't know.
• 1:28:43
  I guess Mother Superior is kind of like her mom.
• 1:28:45
  This is Tuition, because she is. Yeah.
• 1:28:47
  Is like there and agree. Like there were definitely
• 1:28:51
  things that stood out more so than the very end.
• 1:28:54
  And I think it's just for me, is more the comedy scenes that
• 1:28:58
  really, really made this show. Great for me, like the random,
• 1:29:02
  like, remake to stay did so much like the side side scenes, you
• 1:29:08
  know, that explain it while. But like, for example, every
• 1:29:11
  time Jeremy likes his imagination runs wild.
• 1:29:14
  I think it's so funny. The Watch the actors like act,
• 1:29:17
  so like dramatically and you know, for the sake of his
• 1:29:21
  imagination or they'd also did a bunch of like parodies to which
• 1:29:24
  I think. Yeah, it's a time, it was so
• 1:29:27
  fun. I feel like around that era
• 1:29:29
  parodies are such a big thing. Like just everyone was doing
• 1:29:33
  parodies of famous movies. Famous scenes, famous
• 1:29:36
  commercials even, you know, they integrated a lot of those into
• 1:29:40
  the cage. I was like, I actually remember
• 1:29:42
  a lot of those parodies more so than like some of the drama
• 1:29:45
  scenes. Is there are just like shots so
• 1:29:47
  funny in a way and I love my agree.
• 1:29:50
  I agree. And that was some of the best
• 1:29:51
  stuff was the comedy bits and the parodies the spoofs.
• 1:29:55
  The fact that I mentioned this earlier about the Hong sister,
• 1:29:59
  sort of subverting expectations and tropes.
• 1:30:03
  I think an episode when she gets drunk and you think that she
• 1:30:07
  fought, she falls on Tick Young and you think that they kiss,
• 1:30:10
  they didn't she vomited in my God.
• 1:30:13
  So that's like a subversion, right?
• 1:30:15
  You think? They had the, you know, smash
• 1:30:18
  lips together and they're embarrassed, because of that.
• 1:30:20
  No, she's mortified because she vomited in his mouth.
• 1:30:23
  So that's like, a subversion of the Trope.
• 1:30:26
  I like, she goes into, they go into the, the showers on the
• 1:30:31
  second floor of the building at some point, and she just
• 1:30:34
  finished up a shower, but she sees them naked and they cover
• 1:30:39
  the modesty clouds with people. So, yeah.
• 1:30:45
  And she envisions them as like little cherubs and then they
• 1:30:48
  turn into like children and that helps her, like, get out of the
• 1:30:52
  situation. She's just like, taking herself
• 1:30:54
  out of it. Mentally.
• 1:30:56
  Let me see. They lock up in one of these.
• 1:31:00
  Like, I don't know how to describe it, but you, you're
• 1:31:02
  talking about it where they have like, an imaginary scenario and
• 1:31:07
  they film it, and it's a parody. And they did a parody of old
• 1:31:10
  boy, okay? Cause the, do you remember Are
• 1:31:16
  you really so so funny. I totally that one really stood
• 1:31:21
  out to me too. Yeah wait dumpling scene is I
• 1:31:25
  call? Yes I think oh my God.
• 1:31:31
  She gets stuck on the top of a moving truck at one point.
• 1:31:38
  Yeah. Then she like tosses the phone
• 1:31:40
  or something and it lands on top of the truck.
• 1:31:41
  She goes to get it and passes it back to take you on and The
• 1:31:46
  truck starts moving and she's like, tolling on he doesn't
• 1:31:49
  notice. And that's like really funny.
• 1:31:52
  Got it slapstick, right? Slapstick, comedy, that kind of
• 1:31:56
  stuff. We don't get like.
• 1:31:58
  That feels very old school, kdrama to have like, a screwball
• 1:32:03
  comedy. Yeah, yes.
• 1:32:04
  There's hijinks and kdramas all the time especially with a light
• 1:32:09
  rom-coms, but this type of like outrageous outlandish stuff.
• 1:32:15
  Meaning is, is really kind of old school and it's nice to see
• 1:32:21
  a nice to return to. So, yeah, I miss it, like,
• 1:32:24
  honestly, like when I was younger, I feel like that's what
• 1:32:27
  I loved about these like rom-coms, because the comedy was
• 1:32:30
  so, like, out there in a dumb way, but it just made me really
• 1:32:34
  laugh. And now like, I don't know, even
• 1:32:37
  the rom-coms like I feel like there's not too many crazy
• 1:32:40
  comedy moments like, yeah, and it's like, I kind of miss it
• 1:32:44
  because I made things. Feel unserious and versus know,
• 1:32:47
  it's like, everything is so serious.
• 1:32:49
  And the little bits of Comedy. Like, don't like, like, don't
• 1:32:53
  like, I don't know. Like over.
• 1:32:55
  Yeah. But it wasn't bored.
• 1:32:56
  Am I looking for? Like it doesn't like they're a
• 1:32:58
  little more highbrow. Yeah, more highbrow forces, this
• 1:33:01
  is lowbrow. She what was it?
• 1:33:04
  One time she goes, she's are sleeping in the same room and
• 1:33:08
  she, the manager gives her a taser gun just like he tries
• 1:33:12
  anything. If he looks at you a certain way
• 1:33:15
  just like, Him. Yeah, so she manages to tase
• 1:33:19
  herself. Oh girl and collapses on top of
• 1:33:23
  him and they like she sleeps on top of him, the rest of the
• 1:33:27
  night, but the fact that she manages to tase herself and said
• 1:33:31
  is like you would never see that in the kdrama made in 2023 or
• 1:33:36
  recently. So, yeah, it's it's a lot.
• 1:33:40
  It's so much but it's what makes these dramas?
• 1:33:45
  Good. And I feel like, going back to
• 1:33:47
  the characters to it's like if the main female lead was not so
• 1:33:51
  clumsy and just like, oftentimes frustrating to watch.
• 1:33:54
  Like, I've like, they couldn't get away with some of these
• 1:33:57
  really dumb kind of Comedy moments.
• 1:33:59
  Like yeah, we're like the going on a moving car.
• 1:34:02
  Like those things wouldn't have stuck because like you'd been
• 1:34:04
  like why would a normal person have done something like that
• 1:34:07
  but because she's the way she is and this character like it does
• 1:34:11
  help lend to that comedy aspect. Yeah.
• 1:34:15
  So Some other comedy that it sort of delves into comedy, but
• 1:34:20
  it's the portrayal of like the K Idol industry in general because
• 1:34:24
  I feel like they're, they're definitely talking about
• 1:34:29
  specific like it's a specific culture that they're talking
• 1:34:33
  about in the show and this was 2009.
• 1:34:35
  I don't feel like much has really changed.
• 1:34:38
  Don't I'm saying, yeah, I totally agree.
• 1:34:41
  I mean, they touch on it a lot and I guess, like, in this show,
• 1:34:44
  Angel is kind of like a more Lished group now.
• 1:34:46
  So, they're not like, kind of the rookie.
• 1:34:48
  Like, they're like, big and Korea, right?
• 1:34:50
  And so they talked about a lot of things they have to do is
• 1:34:52
  work. He's like the really dumb
• 1:34:54
  reality TV shows that they had to do.
• 1:34:56
  And like, yes, you know, the radish eating scene with the
• 1:34:59
  most ridiculous but like, I don't know, I just think is
• 1:35:03
  interesting, especially the second time watching this where
• 1:35:05
  I caught a lot of those moments where it says, you know, the
• 1:35:08
  first time I feel like it kind of went over my head but I was
• 1:35:11
  like well, you know, they are really talking about the things
• 1:35:13
  that these Idol trainees have to do.
• 1:35:16
  In order to promote their group and artists like make it big in
• 1:35:19
  this world. And plus, I feel like some of
• 1:35:22
  the things that they mentioned that were kind of just in
• 1:35:24
  passing. Just felt really like
• 1:35:26
  exploitative in a way like it was like the whole sticker
• 1:35:30
  thing. I don't know if you remember,
• 1:35:31
  but it was like, they go into a shop on taking one's birthday
• 1:35:34
  and they're like, oh there's stickers and like the group had
• 1:35:37
  like no idea that that was a thing and I was like they're
• 1:35:41
  like this is literally your image, you know?
• 1:35:43
  Like it's just kind of like subtly in the back.
• 1:35:45
  Ground at that. It was like oh they're just kind
• 1:35:47
  of taking advantage of your idol image and like you don't really
• 1:35:50
  know what is being passed around to the fans and to everyone.
• 1:35:54
  Yeah. And now you've been like, the
• 1:35:56
  whole reason why, I mean, you have to step in, to pretend to
• 1:35:59
  be mean on was because the manager told me time to get eye
• 1:36:02
  surgery and I was, oh, yeah. Like I was like, okay.
• 1:36:06
  Like we just really brushed over that right?
• 1:36:08
  Because it's like, oh yeah, right fun, but like now watching
• 1:36:11
  the kennels like do this kind of stuff like I get it.
• 1:36:15
  This tree and maybe that's what people have to go through, but
• 1:36:18
  it's like, man, like you have to get surgery just to do it like
• 1:36:22
  that. I don't know, just doesn't sit
• 1:36:24
  right with me the second time watching it and I feel like it
• 1:36:27
  was just so different back. Then that I didn't even think
• 1:36:29
  about it. But now I'm like man that's not
• 1:36:31
  cool. Absolutely and they play for
• 1:36:34
  Laughs because the managers like I just told him to get a little
• 1:36:37
  work done before he signed the contract.
• 1:36:40
  Yeah. Now he's sleeping like this and
• 1:36:42
  he doesn't look like he crosses his eyes and I'm like, what kind
• 1:36:45
  Kind of syrup. Where did they take?
• 1:36:47
  It was just a back-alley plastic surgery that they had because
• 1:36:50
  Korea's like the plastic surgery, capital of the world,
• 1:36:53
  so it makes no sense that his surgery was botched to that
• 1:36:56
  effect. And then he had to go to the us
• 1:36:58
  so that I could fix it and he can recover weird.
• 1:37:01
  I was like none of this makes any sense.
• 1:37:03
  But yeah. Absolutely.
• 1:37:05
  The underlying like thesis is that they all have to change and
• 1:37:11
  get plastic surgery to look a certain way to appeal to a
• 1:37:14
  certain audience. And that's just normal.
• 1:37:18
  That's not asking a lot of these people that's just bare minimum
• 1:37:22
  is that they need to look their best.
• 1:37:24
  They need to have the double eyelid surgery.
• 1:37:27
  They need to have fun nose job. They need to have their face
• 1:37:31
  shave in. They need to, you know, work out
• 1:37:34
  and look good. And it's like very Problematic.
• 1:37:39
  Yes, even though like it's a cycle and we feed into it and
• 1:37:43
  whatever and talking about, we like fans in general, the fans
• 1:37:47
  that are camped out outside the company at all hours.
• 1:37:51
  I was very, I remember watching in 2014 and thinking, what are
• 1:37:54
  they doing? I don't understand why, they're
• 1:37:57
  just outside all the time. Are these students like I had
• 1:38:00
  all these questions? Now, I understand that this is a
• 1:38:03
  take on like the SAS saying fans who are constantly following
• 1:38:08
  around. Round.
• 1:38:09
  Yeah, their Idols to the detriment and like secure
• 1:38:13
  security Hazard of their favorite Idols.
• 1:38:17
  So it's very problematic and the way that like the media is
• 1:38:22
  portrayed as well is very toxic and weird and the paparazzi is
• 1:38:27
  it's not just like the paparazzi's following them
• 1:38:30
  around. It's like they're writing
• 1:38:32
  incendiary like gossip about them and it's affecting their
• 1:38:37
  lives. Their careers.
• 1:38:38
  And they have to Blink play along and the fake dating thing.
• 1:38:42
  And yeah, I mean, all of it is not wrong.
• 1:38:46
  Look, they're still not. It's not an accurate to to have
• 1:38:51
  all of these things going on in the periphery Four Angels.
• 1:38:55
  So it's sad. Yeah, it really is and like even
• 1:38:59
  the fan thing, you know, I would have loved to see the fandom
• 1:39:02
  been more toxic almost. Like if we could have invited
• 1:39:06
  them to be more of the villain roles I Feel like that could
• 1:39:09
  have been a really fun as well. Because like, I don't know,
• 1:39:11
  like, I've heard news articles of just like, really bad crazy
• 1:39:15
  fans out there. Yeah, we're doing, like, just
• 1:39:18
  dangerous stuff. Like, I don't know, like, I
• 1:39:20
  don't want to get into specific examples, but like even recently
• 1:39:24
  like I didn't, there was like an article that came out about BTS
• 1:39:27
  member Jin. He's like in the Army and then
• 1:39:29
  like nurse like and the Army left her post, like give him a
• 1:39:33
  vaccine. Like that kind of stuff.
• 1:39:35
  It's like insane, you know. Yeah.
• 1:39:37
  Like it's like These hands are at even know, she's like a fan
• 1:39:40
  or if she's just like somebody who wanted to get involved.
• 1:39:42
  But anyways, go back to this kdrama, it would have been fun
• 1:39:45
  to see some of those like Angel fans like really get involved
• 1:39:49
  and like make things messy from Members.
• 1:39:51
  You know, they could have been a more fun villain than just kind
• 1:39:54
  of reusing. Hey, for everything, at least in
• 1:39:57
  the beginning, like, that would have been a cool angle.
• 1:39:59
  You know. Absolutely.
• 1:40:00
  Because there's endless horror stories that are true about
• 1:40:05
  these terrible. Like I can't even call them fans
• 1:40:08
  like there. They're just, they're not fans
• 1:40:10
  at that point. Yeah.
• 1:40:12
  Yeah. And the BTS thing, I think, what
• 1:40:14
  was it? A train operator or some
• 1:40:19
  somebody employed by the train company was giving out.
• 1:40:21
  Oh, yeah. When RM was taking the train and
• 1:40:26
  would tell their friends like, which seat he was in so that
• 1:40:29
  they could sit next to him or close to him.
• 1:40:32
  And Jungkook just said something to them about, like, stop
• 1:40:36
  sending me food because they His address and kept sending him
• 1:40:40
  food. Yeah.
• 1:40:41
  And he's like, what the can eat it.
• 1:40:44
  And I like it. Yeah.
• 1:40:45
  Like you can't eat stuff like that.
• 1:40:46
  Like, you don't know what they put into that food, you know?
• 1:40:49
  Yeah. Oh yeah.
• 1:40:50
  I don't know. There's like I've seen a lot of
• 1:40:52
  just like rumors about that specific K.
• 1:40:57
  That girl who likes sent him the food.
• 1:40:58
  Like she's like, kind of crazy. Like she's right.
• 1:41:01
  Like this isn't okay. Yeah it's insane.
• 1:41:04
  And I think that would have been fun to explore it, you know?
• 1:41:07
  And this cage. Yeah.
• 1:41:08
  Context, is he had all the characters ready, but like right
• 1:41:11
  at do too many bad things other than just like, you know, quote
• 1:41:14
  unquote defend their oppas, one like bad things happen, but
• 1:41:17
  like, it would have been fun to see like some of the crazier
• 1:41:20
  sides of those fans, that it would have been interesting.
• 1:41:22
  Absolutely. So one of the last things that I
• 1:41:25
  have in my notes has to do with this cliche that is in kdrama
• 1:41:31
  and sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't.
• 1:41:33
  I don't think it worked here. So in episode 15, they break up.
• 1:41:37
  Yes, right. She'll eat.
• 1:41:40
  She was like planning to leave after the Japan trip and pick
• 1:41:44
  him. Didn't know.
• 1:41:45
  And then he goes to see her back in Japan.
• 1:41:48
  Like he just makes that trip like two or three times I don't
• 1:41:50
  even know. Just make it happen.
• 1:41:52
  Yeah, but he is like he's very sad.
• 1:41:57
  The whole scene is very angsty and to me I don't even get why
• 1:42:01
  she has to leave this. In this case, it really it
• 1:42:06
  didn't make much sense to me. It's not that.
• 1:42:10
  The usual case is all. They have to realize their
• 1:42:13
  feelings to get back together. They know their feelings.
• 1:42:17
  They know that they like each other.
• 1:42:19
  It's just that she needs time to heal and that he's been very
• 1:42:25
  selfish and the birth Secrets. Got all intertwined.
• 1:42:30
  Yeah, her mom. His mom is terrible.
• 1:42:32
  She hates his mom. Yeah, she's very emotional and
• 1:42:36
  take young. Just needs to respect her pain
• 1:42:40
  as she gets through this. Hmm.
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  And I don't like this sins of the father shit where they
• 1:42:49
  didn't make the same exact mistakes as their parents did
• 1:42:51
  but they have to deal with the Fallout of the first Generations
• 1:42:55
  trauma. So essentially generational
• 1:42:58
  trauma in a kdrama sense and I just don't I don't Stand by
• 1:43:04
  that. Like, in the writing of it I
• 1:43:06
  just was like I don't I don't get it.
• 1:43:08
  Like she doesn't need to disappear, she could just be
• 1:43:11
  like, look, I'm gonna go to Fiji for I don't know how long I'll
• 1:43:16
  let you know when I get back. Yeah.
• 1:43:18
  It doesn't need to be this whole like mysterious thing and like
• 1:43:22
  the whole like you see him grabbing her hand.
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  Great. Okay.
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  Yeah. Like what did you do?
• 1:43:32
  How do you feel? About that sort of thing
• 1:43:34
  happening in the very last episodes.
• 1:43:37
  Usually of a kdrama as I think this one was like yeah I knowing
• 1:43:42
  I think but it should have happened earlier if it was gonna
• 1:43:45
  happen. I also like it's tough because
• 1:43:50
  it's like, I understand. Like the generational trauma is
• 1:43:53
  weighing down on both of these characters, but neither of them
• 1:43:56
  really changed for the better because of it also.
• 1:44:01
  And so it was like they broke up but then He's still a same way
• 1:44:04
  towards her and then she still sees the world the same way.
• 1:44:07
  So it's like, I don't know what this did for both of them as
• 1:44:11
  people. It's like, you know, you always
• 1:44:12
  hear about, like, you know, there's like reality TV shows
• 1:44:15
  where it's like, oh, this ex-couple, are they going to get
• 1:44:17
  back together? And then, you know, the
• 1:44:19
  commentary is always like, well, if neither of them changed like,
• 1:44:23
  what is the point of them getting back together and I feel
• 1:44:25
  like it was similar for this or it's like they couldn't get over
• 1:44:29
  there, both both of their internal issues with their
• 1:44:31
  families, but I feel like even tour The end that's so didn't
• 1:44:34
  really happen. Like when you land the mom had
• 1:44:36
  like, a heart-to-heart where she was like, you know, be nice to
• 1:44:39
  your son. But like I'll tell ya like I
• 1:44:42
  don't feel like it really did too much for them as people, so
• 1:44:48
  it was like, okay, but I understand for the sake of the
• 1:44:50
  plot, they needed that break, but I think it would have
• 1:44:53
  benefited happening earlier and then really kind of like delved
• 1:44:57
  into how they healed and how they overcame this trauma, you
• 1:45:01
  know, even together, you know after doing It separately and
• 1:45:04
  kind of figuring out together that would have been nice, but
• 1:45:07
  it just felt like a plot device in this situation.
• 1:45:09
  Also, as a means to bring in the mom and her whole sad story this
• 1:45:14
  whole time. So like I'm like, I get it.
• 1:45:16
  But yeah, I totally agree with you were.
• 1:45:19
  I don't think it really works out well, for this drama, like
• 1:45:22
  things didn't really add up and like, even at the very end, she
• 1:45:25
  still goes like, Africa. Something like well, he was
• 1:45:28
  like, I'm still going to be like So yeah, places and again, like
• 1:45:37
  I don't again this hasn't improved much.
• 1:45:40
  I don't think in kdramas but she's like I'm going to Africa
• 1:45:42
  and it's like Africa is a continent.
• 1:45:44
  Oh my gosh. We're in Africa.
• 1:45:46
  Are you going? You know?
• 1:45:48
  Yes, very true. I feel like so many k jobless.
• 1:45:51
  That's like such a big thing, right?
• 1:45:53
  Like are you going to Botswana Nigeria stuff?
• 1:45:58
  Like where girl? She's like I'm going Africa.
• 1:46:02
  It's like okay. Okay, all right for sure.
• 1:46:06
  Oh man, also the star necklace. What do you think?
• 1:46:08
  What was it with the mid 2000s? Late 2000s, and the frickin star
• 1:46:14
  necklace? Because I do remember there
• 1:46:15
  being a star necklace in Boys Over Flowers as well.
• 1:46:19
  And I was like it was that just like a thing back then that they
• 1:46:23
  were constantly invoking. The stars and Celestial things.
• 1:46:26
  And then, yeah. They get a necklace.
• 1:46:29
  Yeah, and now it does star necklace.
• 1:46:31
  I totally agree. It's Always popping up Stars was
• 1:46:34
  like the thing, you know, like thing all types of stars, but
• 1:46:37
  metaphorical stars real star. It's okay.
• 1:46:40
  My love from another star, like it's all but honestly, I kind
• 1:46:46
  of, I still love it. I don't know those like, she's
• 1:46:48
  you metaphor is, I'm a sucker for so I can't even complain.
• 1:46:51
  All right, all right. All right, fair enough?
• 1:46:54
  Yeah, I think I've come to the end of my notes.
• 1:46:57
  The only notes that I have are just like wardrobe because at
• 1:47:01
  one point she's wearing The double Polo.
• 1:47:04
  A polo shirt inside of another polo with the popped collar?
• 1:47:08
  Do you remember that? Stabbed like the alternating
• 1:47:10
  Polo colors and that they were wearing two shirts?
• 1:47:14
  Look, I thought they looked great back in 09 and I was like
• 1:47:18
  that, those like those outfits. I was like, yes, what the motto
• 1:47:23
  she was wearing, like the plaid pants again, red plaid pants
• 1:47:27
  with the leather jacket and everything so just like gets
• 1:47:31
  high. Cool and the hair and the makeup
• 1:47:36
  to the amount of black eyeliner they put on take young.
• 1:47:40
  I was like damn damn oh yeah, look my hair evolution as well
• 1:47:46
  that was great to see and I think the only outfit that
• 1:47:50
  really bothered me was every time they put him in something
• 1:47:53
  that was almost off the shoulder like, tickle.
• 1:47:55
  Oh yeah. It looked very feminine and then
• 1:47:58
  they kept doing. I think it was only two times
• 1:48:01
  but I was like that's enough. He had a blouse.
• 1:48:04
  It was a blouse that swooped down in the front.
• 1:48:08
  Hmm. I bet it was like, you remember
• 1:48:10
  these? It looks like a frickin curtain
• 1:48:13
  on him. I was like he's wearing a
• 1:48:15
  curtain and then they change. They did another one.
• 1:48:18
  It was like a first, he had a gray and then the flag, but then
• 1:48:21
  it was black and then there was like, a red one.
• 1:48:23
  I was like, it's never ending. Yeah.
• 1:48:26
  So that stuff made me laugh as well.
• 1:48:28
  It was just very comical to return to that someone commented
• 1:48:31
  on a tick tock that I did about it.
• 1:48:33
  And Instead, he looks so good, wearing that kind of stuff as a
• 1:48:36
  model. And I was like, okay, just
• 1:48:40
  because it's on the runway doesn't mean that it should be
• 1:48:45
  on a Kpop started in a kdrama. So, yeah, it had a lot of fun
• 1:48:51
  with that. It was fun though, you know this
• 1:48:54
  is like the part of like the old kdramas and I'm like I love it
• 1:48:57
  because watching it you're just like it, brings you back to a
• 1:48:59
  time where that was that was cool.
• 1:49:02
  Like people are that and it was like house shit and hair, the
• 1:49:06
  hair styles and everyone had to you're like dude, that guy was
• 1:49:09
  cool back in 09. He was styling, this was
• 1:49:14
  fashion. Yeah.
• 1:49:15
  Okay, yeah. It had a lot of fun with it.
• 1:49:19
  Ultimately, you know, it take what we say with a grain of
• 1:49:23
  salt. You can watch this for yourself,
• 1:49:25
  it is available on Viki. If you want to watch, you are
• 1:49:28
  beautiful and let us know what you think about it.
• 1:49:32
  If you agree with our assessment, if you're kind of
• 1:49:34
  like I can't get into it. That's fine.
• 1:49:37
  That's fine. It's not every kdramas for
• 1:49:39
  everyone and the older ones do you have a lot of merits,
• 1:49:42
  they're very nostalgic for us and for other viewers and
• 1:49:46
  sometimes if you just didn't live through that era, there's
• 1:49:48
  no way that you could do. We're gonna release.
• 1:49:50
  This is some of the things. So yeah.
• 1:49:53
  But II, think I encourage people to watch older kdramas.
• 1:49:56
  I just see for yourself. Yeah, honestly, I feel like
• 1:50:00
  you're beautiful feels like a Kpop fan fit come to life, you
• 1:50:04
  know? Like that's what it is.
• 1:50:05
  Yeah. It's like if you have a little
• 1:50:08
  bit of the delusional, Kpop fan in, you, you will eat this up
• 1:50:11
  because you're like it, that could be me, you know?
• 1:50:14
  I could be an innocent girl, where all three of like, my
• 1:50:18
  favorite band peppers are. Level 3, you know, like I feel
• 1:50:21
  like that is audience and like I don't know if they did ever do a
• 1:50:25
  remake and like know, kind of fix some of these nitpicky
• 1:50:29
  things that we have, I would watch that in a heartbeat.
• 1:50:32
  So you're absolutely right because sometimes I miss one
• 1:50:35
  like plots go off-roading. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:50:38
  Like this thing starts on your life.
• 1:50:41
  This is ludicrous but I'm bored. I'm here, I'm sitting here, I'm
• 1:50:47
  ready. Yeah, and there's really
• 1:50:49
  enchanting about watching something that you just have to
• 1:50:52
  suspend your disbelief over. Yes, we have a ton of nitpicky
• 1:50:56
  things. Yes, we can't get over some
• 1:50:57
  things, but ultimately, it's it made us laugh.
• 1:51:01
  It entertained us. And it's just like watching like
• 1:51:04
  a freaking Fast and Furious movie.
• 1:51:06
  It's like, you're not in it for the, for the realism.
• 1:51:10
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:51:15
  Thank You Jennie. So much for coming on the
• 1:51:17
  podcast for talking at length, about your beautiful year.
• 1:51:19
  First key drama ever, I really appreciate you coming back on
• 1:51:23
  the goblin episode is actually like doing done really well.
• 1:51:27
  I think it's like the second most popular episode on the box.
• 1:51:31
  So, yeah, I'm hoping that people will enjoy this one too and get
• 1:51:36
  a lot of good. A lot out of it because we, we
• 1:51:39
  did. We did just in case.
• 1:51:42
  People don't know about Porsha. Where can people find you
• 1:51:44
  online? Yeah, so we are opposed to a
• 1:51:46
  playlist. We review kdramas, we're on
• 1:51:49
  basically all of your podcasts platforms.
• 1:51:51
  So Spotify and Google podcast, Apple podcasts, Etc.
• 1:51:55
  So if you want to follow us on our social media, we do have
• 1:51:58
  Twitter Tick, Tock Facebook, as well as Instagram and our
• 1:52:01
  handles just at poach a playlist and then yeah if you want to
• 1:52:05
  check out our episodes, we do release some every week and we
• 1:52:08
  try to keep up to date with the newest released kdramas.
• 1:52:12
  So we do put out an episode every week for those, so come
• 1:52:15
  check us out. Nice.
• 1:52:17
  I love Pooja playlist. And well, that's it.
• 1:52:20
  That's been our show. I'm Jessica.
• 1:52:22
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