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How Children's Books Help Kids Overcome Anxiety (Brave at Home Story) · Adventures in the Heart of Children's Book Authors Podcast

• 4:22
  Steve
• 4:22
  Bradshaw,
• 4:23
  Brave
• 4:23
  at
• 4:23
  Home.
• 4:25
  Thanks,
• 4:25
  Steve,
• 4:25
  for
• 4:26
  appearing
• 4:26
  on
• 4:26
  the
• 4:26
  Adventures
• 4:27
  in
• 4:27
  the
• 4:27
  Heart
• 4:27
  of
• 4:28
  Children's
• 4:28
  Book
• 4:28
  Authors
• 4:29
  podcast.
• 4:30
  My
• 4:30
  pleasure.
• 4:31
  Thanks
• 4:31
  for
• 4:31
  having
• 4:31
  me.
• 4:31
  Steve
• 4:32
  has
• 4:32
  mentioned
• 4:32
  he's
• 4:33
  written
• 4:33
  a
• 4:33
  children's
• 4:34
  book,
• 4:34
  Brave
• 4:35
  at
• 4:35
  Home,
• 4:36
  and
• 4:37
  I
• 4:37
  look
• 4:37
  forward
• 4:37
  to
• 4:37
  our
• 4:38
  conversations.
• 4:38
  You
• 4:38
  know
• 4:39
  what,
• 4:39
  Steve,
• 4:39
  When
• 4:39
  I
• 4:40
  read
• 4:40
  your
• 4:40
  book
• 4:41
  and
• 4:41
  I
• 4:41
  thought,
• 4:41
  wow,
• 4:42
  it's
• 4:42
  a
• 4:43
  compilation
• 4:43
  of
• 4:44
  really
• 4:44
  19
• 4:45
  children's
• 4:45
  stories,
• 4:47
  which
• 4:47
  is
• 4:47
  cool.
• 4:47
  And
• 4:48
  it's
• 4:48
  all
• 4:48
  in
• 4:48
  one
• 4:49
  book.
• 4:49
  And
• 4:49
  when
• 4:49
  I
• 4:49
  looked
• 4:50
  at
• 4:50
  what
• 4:51
  you
• 4:51
  sell
• 4:51
  it
• 4:51
  for
• 4:52
  on
• 4:52
  Amazon,
• 4:52
  I
• 4:53
  thought
• 4:53
  that's
• 4:54
  terrific
• 4:54
  value
• 4:55
  because
• 4:55
  really
• 4:55
  people
• 4:56
  are
• 4:56
  getting
• 4:56
  like
• 4:57
  19
• 4:57
  books
• 4:58
  in
• 4:58
  one.
• 4:59
  So
• 4:59
  hats
• 4:59
  off
• 5:00
  to
• 5:00
  you.
• 5:00
  Thank
• 5:01
  you.
• 5:01
  Thank
• 5:01
  you.
• 5:01
  I
• 5:02
  did
• 5:02
  want
• 5:02
  to
• 5:02
  keep
• 5:02
  the
• 5:03
  chapters
• 5:04
  at
• 5:04
  a
• 5:04
  certain
• 5:04
  level
• 5:06
  experience
• 5:06
  where
• 5:07
  the
• 5:07
  child
• 5:07
  can
• 5:07
  explore
• 5:09
  these
• 5:09
  issues
• 5:10
  that
• 5:10
  are
• 5:10
  developing
• 5:11
  the
• 5:11
  book
• 5:11
  with
• 5:12
  the
• 5:12
  child,
• 5:12
  say
• 5:13
  at
• 5:13
  bedtime
• 5:13
  or
• 5:14
  at
• 5:14
  reading
• 5:14
  hour,
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  something
• 5:15
  that
• 5:16
  they
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  can
• 5:16
  do
• 5:16
  very
• 5:16
  quickly.
• 5:17
  Once
• 5:18
  they've
• 5:18
  read
• 5:18
  the
• 5:18
  whole
• 5:19
  book,
• 5:19
  they
• 5:20
  can
• 5:20
  then
• 5:20
  pick
• 5:20
  out
• 5:21
  individual
• 5:22
  chapters
• 5:23
  which
• 5:23
  kind
• 5:23
  of
• 5:24
  reflects
• 5:24
  where
• 5:25
  that
• 5:25
  day.
• 5:26
  Before
• 5:26
  we
• 5:26
  jump
• 5:26
  into
• 5:27
  any
• 5:27
  more
• 5:27
  details
• 5:28
  about
• 5:28
  your
• 5:28
  book,
• 5:29
  I'm
• 5:29
  curious
• 5:30
  because
• 5:30
  I
• 5:30
  looked
• 5:30
  at
• 5:31
  your
• 5:31
  background
• 5:31
  and
• 5:31
  we'll
• 5:32
  get
• 5:32
  into
• 5:32
  that
• 5:32
  a
• 5:32
  bit
• 5:33
  so
• 5:33
  that
• 5:34
  everybody
• 5:34
  understands
• 5:35
  that.
• 5:35
  So
• 5:36
  tell
• 5:36
  us,
• 5:37
  what
• 5:37
  does
• 5:37
  it
• 5:37
  mean
• 5:37
  to
• 5:38
  you
• 5:38
  to
• 5:38
  be
• 5:38
  a
• 5:38
  children's
• 5:39
  book
• 5:39
  authority?
• 5:41
  I
• 5:41
  thought
• 5:41
  about
• 5:41
  this
• 5:41
  myself
• 5:42
  and
• 5:42
  I
• 5:42
  thought
• 5:42
  about
• 5:42
  how
• 5:43
  I
• 5:43
  was
• 5:44
  steered
• 5:44
  this
• 5:44
  way,
• 5:45
  really,
• 5:46
  after
• 5:47
  your
• 5:47
  listeners
• 5:48
  will
• 5:48
  look
• 5:49
  at
• 5:49
  my
• 5:49
  background
• 5:49
  and
• 5:50
  think,
• 5:50
  how
• 5:50
  the
• 5:50
  heck
• 5:50
  did
• 5:51
  he
• 5:51
  end
• 5:51
  up
• 5:51
  being
• 5:51
  an
• 5:51
  author?
• 5:52
  But
• 5:54
  I've
• 5:54
  always
• 5:55
  had
• 5:55
  an
• 5:56
  interest
• 5:56
  in
• 5:56
  writing,
• 5:57
  but
• 5:57
  it
• 5:57
  was
• 5:58
  never
• 5:58
  something
• 5:58
  which
• 5:59
  developed
• 5:59
  to
• 5:59
  a
• 6:00
  point
• 6:00
  where
• 6:00
  it
• 6:00
  could
• 6:00
  pay
• 6:01
  the
• 6:01
  bills.
• 6:02
  And
• 6:03
  everyone
• 6:03
  has
• 6:04
  these
• 6:04
  moments
• 6:04
  across
• 6:05
  road
• 6:05
  in
• 6:05
  life
• 6:05
  about
• 6:07
  do
• 6:07
  you
• 6:07
  follow
• 6:07
  your
• 6:08
  heart
• 6:08
  or
• 6:08
  your
• 6:09
  head?
• 6:09
  Do
• 6:09
  you
• 6:10
  want
• 6:10
  to
• 6:10
  be
• 6:10
  that
• 6:11
  creative
• 6:11
  frustrated
• 6:13
  person
• 6:13
  or
• 6:14
  do
• 6:14
  you
• 6:14
  want
• 6:14
  to
• 6:14
  be
• 6:14
  someone
• 6:15
  who's
• 6:15
  got
• 6:15
  a
• 6:15
  good
• 6:16
  job
• 6:16
  and
• 6:16
  able
• 6:17
  to
• 6:17
  get
• 6:18
  on
• 6:18
  in
• 6:18
  life?
• 6:19
  Once
• 6:19
  I
• 6:20
  retired
• 6:20
  from
• 6:20
  the
• 6:21
  police
• 6:21
  in
• 6:21
  2022,
• 6:23
  I
• 6:23
  started
• 6:24
  a
• 6:24
  business
• 6:24
  called
• 6:24
  TV
• 6:25
  Cop
• 6:25
  which
• 6:25
  gives
• 6:26
  police
• 6:26
  advice
• 6:26
  to
• 6:27
  TV
• 6:27
  and
• 6:27
  film
• 6:27
  here
• 6:28
  in
• 6:28
  the
• 6:28
  UK.
• 6:29
  And
• 6:29
  I
• 6:29
  was
• 6:30
  part
• 6:31
  of
• 6:31
  that
• 6:31
  work
• 6:31
  is
• 6:31
  dealing
• 6:32
  with
• 6:32
  a
• 6:32
  script
• 6:33
  work,
• 6:33
  although
• 6:34
  it's
• 6:34
  police
• 6:34
  and
• 6:34
  procedural
• 6:35
  stuff,
• 6:36
  got
• 6:36
  my
• 6:36
  juices
• 6:37
  flowing
• 6:37
  really
• 6:38
  in
• 6:38
  relation
• 6:38
  to
• 6:38
  writing
• 6:39
  and
• 6:39
  structure
• 6:40
  and
• 6:41
  narrative
• 6:41
  art
• 6:42
  and
• 6:43
  having
• 6:44
  your
• 6:45
  three
• 6:46
  act
• 6:47
  play
• 6:47
  or
• 6:47
  your
• 6:47
  five
• 6:48
  act
• 6:48
  play
• 6:48
  and
• 6:49
  just
• 6:49
  showing
• 6:49
  it
• 6:49
  on
• 6:50
  TV
• 6:50
  and
• 6:50
  also
• 6:51
  being
• 6:51
  exposed
• 6:51
  to
• 6:52
  some
• 6:53
  really
• 6:53
  good
• 6:54
  writers.
• 6:55
  We're
• 6:55
  talking
• 6:55
  major
• 6:55
  network
• 6:56
  UK
• 6:57
  writers
• 6:58
  here.
• 6:58
  Like
• 6:59
  I
• 6:59
  was
• 6:59
  getting
• 7:00
  more
• 7:00
  and
• 7:00
  more
• 7:00
  experience
• 7:01
  and
• 7:01
  I
• 7:01
  wanted
• 7:01
  to
• 7:02
  express
• 7:02
  myself
• 7:02
  in
• 7:03
  a
• 7:03
  way
• 7:04
  and
• 7:04
  I
• 7:04
  was
• 7:04
  thinking,
• 7:05
  how
• 7:05
  do
• 7:06
  I
• 7:06
  do
• 7:06
  that?
• 7:06
  Now
• 7:06
  I've
• 7:07
  helped
• 7:07
  a
• 7:07
  friend
• 7:08
  with
• 7:08
  the
• 7:08
  police
• 7:08
  procedural
• 7:09
  stuff
• 7:09
  on
• 7:09
  a
• 7:10
  very
• 7:10
  dark
• 7:10
  and
• 7:10
  gritty
• 7:11
  Northern
• 7:12
  England
• 7:13
  crime
• 7:13
  drama
• 7:15
  called
• 7:15
  Mirror
• 7:15
  M
• 7:16
  I
• 7:16
  double
• 7:16
  R
• 7:16
  A
• 7:17
  and
• 7:18
  certainly
• 7:18
  not
• 7:18
  children,
• 7:19
  but
• 7:21
  I
• 7:21
  felt
• 7:22
  that
• 7:22
  after
• 7:22
  that,
• 7:24
  where
• 7:24
  did
• 7:24
  I
• 7:24
  want
• 7:24
  to
• 7:24
  go?
• 7:25
  And
• 7:25
  I
• 7:25
  was
• 7:25
  being
• 7:26
  pulled
• 7:26
  towards
• 7:27
  the
• 7:27
  children's
• 7:28
  aspect
• 7:28
  of
• 7:28
  it.
• 7:29
  And
• 7:29
  that
• 7:30
  really
• 7:30
  comes
• 7:30
  from
• 7:30
  conversations
• 7:31
  I've
• 7:31
  had
• 7:31
  with
• 7:32
  police
• 7:32
  officers
• 7:32
  during
• 7:33
  my
• 7:33
  service
• 7:33
  and
• 7:34
  since
• 7:35
  about
• 7:36
  really
• 7:36
  the
• 7:36
  families
• 7:37
  that
• 7:37
  also
• 7:38
  serve.
• 7:39
  And
• 7:39
  I'm
• 7:39
  not
• 7:39
  just
• 7:39
  talking
• 7:40
  about
• 7:40
  police
• 7:40
  officers,
• 7:40
  I'm
• 7:41
  talking
• 7:41
  about
• 7:41
  anybody
• 7:42
  who's
• 7:43
  involved
• 7:43
  in
• 7:43
  the
• 7:43
  emergency
• 7:44
  services.
• 7:44
  And
• 7:44
  also
• 7:44
  really
• 7:45
  children
• 7:45
  who
• 7:45
  just
• 7:46
  generally
• 7:47
  worry
• 7:47
  about
• 7:47
  their
• 7:47
  parents
• 7:48
  because
• 7:49
  the
• 7:49
  children
• 7:49
  just
• 7:50
  parents
• 7:51
  going
• 7:51
  off
• 7:51
  into
• 7:52
  night
• 7:52
  at
• 7:53
  8,
• 7:53
  9,
• 7:54
  10
• 7:54
  o'
• 7:54
  clock
• 7:54
  at
• 7:54
  night
• 7:55
  and
• 7:55
  wondering
• 7:55
  where
• 7:56
  are
• 7:56
  they
• 7:56
  going
• 7:56
  and
• 7:56
  what
• 7:57
  they
• 7:57
  doing.
• 7:57
  My
• 7:58
  dad
• 7:58
  was
• 7:58
  in
• 7:58
  the
• 7:58
  armed
• 7:59
  forces
• 7:59
  for
• 7:59
  25
• 8:00
  years
• 8:01
  and
• 8:02
  he
• 8:02
  was
• 8:02
  a
• 8:02
  paratrooper.
• 8:04
  My
• 8:04
  brother
• 8:04
  and
• 8:04
  I,
• 8:05
  when
• 8:05
  we
• 8:05
  were
• 8:05
  younger,
• 8:06
  thought
• 8:06
  that
• 8:06
  was
• 8:06
  pretty
• 8:06
  glamorous.
• 8:07
  And
• 8:07
  my
• 8:07
  mom
• 8:08
  used
• 8:08
  to
• 8:08
  make
• 8:08
  parachutes
• 8:09
  out
• 8:09
  of.
• 8:09
  Out
• 8:10
  of
• 8:10
  his
• 8:10
  kerchiefs
• 8:11
  and
• 8:12
  she
• 8:12
  would
• 8:12
  tie
• 8:12
  him
• 8:13
  to
• 8:13
  an
• 8:13
  army
• 8:13
  toy
• 8:14
  and
• 8:14
  then
• 8:14
  we'd
• 8:14
  throw
• 8:14
  it
• 8:14
  off
• 8:15
  our
• 8:15
  bunk
• 8:15
  beds.
• 8:15
  And
• 8:16
  that
• 8:16
  was
• 8:16
  kind
• 8:16
  of.
• 8:17
  And
• 8:17
  so
• 8:17
  that's
• 8:17
  how
• 8:18
  I
• 8:18
  saw
• 8:18
  my
• 8:18
  dad
• 8:19
  for
• 8:19
  years
• 8:19
  until
• 8:20
  I
• 8:20
  understood
• 8:20
  exactly
• 8:21
  what
• 8:22
  he
• 8:22
  did.
• 8:22
  And
• 8:23
  like
• 8:23
  you
• 8:23
  said,
• 8:23
  when
• 8:24
  they
• 8:24
  go
• 8:24
  away
• 8:24
  for
• 8:24
  two
• 8:25
  or
• 8:25
  three
• 8:25
  months,
• 8:26
  you're
• 8:26
  wondering,
• 8:27
  oh,
• 8:27
  are
• 8:27
  they
• 8:27
  ever
• 8:28
  coming
• 8:28
  back?
• 8:28
  And
• 8:29
  so
• 8:29
  thank
• 8:30
  you
• 8:30
  for
• 8:30
  sharing
• 8:31
  that.
• 8:31
  My
• 8:31
  pleasure.
• 8:32
  And
• 8:32
  it
• 8:32
  was
• 8:32
  really
• 8:32
  from
• 8:33
  that
• 8:33
  development
• 8:33
  where
• 8:34
  it
• 8:34
  was,
• 8:35
  I
• 8:35
  just
• 8:35
  think,
• 8:35
  what
• 8:36
  are
• 8:36
  these
• 8:36
  children
• 8:36
  thinking
• 8:37
  and
• 8:37
  feeling?
• 8:37
  And
• 8:38
  after
• 8:38
  doing
• 8:38
  a
• 8:38
  bit
• 8:38
  of
• 8:38
  research
• 8:39
  with
• 8:39
  colleagues
• 8:40
  and
• 8:40
  ex
• 8:40
  colleagues,
• 8:40
  as
• 8:41
  I
• 8:41
  used
• 8:41
  to
• 8:41
  work
• 8:41
  on,
• 8:41
  the
• 8:41
  Armed
• 8:42
  Response
• 8:42
  unit,
• 8:42
  which
• 8:42
  is
• 8:43
  a
• 8:43
  armed
• 8:43
  police
• 8:44
  in
• 8:44
  the
• 8:44
  uk
• 8:44
  is
• 8:45
  completely
• 8:45
  different
• 8:45
  than
• 8:45
  what
• 8:45
  it
• 8:45
  is
• 8:46
  in
• 8:46
  America.
• 8:47
  And
• 8:47
  I'd
• 8:48
  speak
• 8:48
  to
• 8:48
  officers
• 8:48
  and
• 8:48
  they'd
• 8:49
  say,
• 8:49
  I
• 8:49
  try
• 8:49
  and
• 8:49
  explain
• 8:50
  to
• 8:50
  the
• 8:51
  children
• 8:51
  that
• 8:51
  I'm
• 8:51
  going
• 8:51
  to
• 8:51
  be
• 8:52
  okay
• 8:52
  and
• 8:52
  in
• 8:53
  a
• 8:53
  mature
• 8:53
  way.
• 8:53
  But
• 8:54
  there's
• 8:54
  no
• 8:54
  reference
• 8:55
  materials
• 8:55
  to
• 8:55
  just
• 8:56
  making
• 8:56
  it
• 8:56
  up
• 8:56
  as
• 8:56
  they
• 8:56
  go
• 8:56
  along.
• 8:57
  So
• 8:57
  it
• 8:58
  was
• 8:58
  very
• 8:58
  much
• 8:58
  an
• 8:59
  epiphany
• 8:59
  where
• 8:59
  I
• 9:00
  thought
• 9:00
  that's
• 9:01
  where
• 9:01
  I
• 9:01
  need
• 9:01
  to
• 9:01
  go.
• 9:02
  Not
• 9:02
  only
• 9:02
  is
• 9:02
  it
• 9:02
  servicing
• 9:03
  the
• 9:03
  writing
• 9:04
  side
• 9:04
  of
• 9:04
  it,
• 9:04
  which
• 9:04
  I
• 9:04
  wanted
• 9:05
  to
• 9:05
  do,
• 9:05
  but
• 9:06
  it
• 9:06
  also
• 9:06
  allowed
• 9:07
  me
• 9:07
  to
• 9:07
  try
• 9:07
  and
• 9:07
  develop
• 9:08
  my
• 9:09
  experience
• 9:09
  from
• 9:09
  work.
• 9:10
  Like
• 9:10
  we
• 9:10
  were
• 9:10
  talking
• 9:11
  about
• 9:11
  in
• 9:11
  the
• 9:11
  beginning.
• 9:12
  You
• 9:12
  have
• 9:12
  19
• 9:13
  stories
• 9:13
  within
• 9:14
  your
• 9:14
  children's
• 9:15
  book.
• 9:16
  They're
• 9:16
  very
• 9:17
  diverse
• 9:18
  and
• 9:18
  they
• 9:18
  also
• 9:19
  have.
• 9:20
  And
• 9:20
  I
• 9:20
  don't
• 9:20
  want
• 9:20
  to
• 9:20
  give
• 9:21
  anything
• 9:21
  away
• 9:21
  because
• 9:22
  that
• 9:22
  one
• 9:22
  of
• 9:22
  my
• 9:23
  questions
• 9:23
  is
• 9:24
  to
• 9:24
  have
• 9:24
  you
• 9:24
  talk
• 9:25
  about
• 9:25
  inspiration
• 9:26
  behind
• 9:26
  your
• 9:26
  book.
• 9:27
  But
• 9:27
  I
• 9:27
  noticed
• 9:28
  that
• 9:28
  you
• 9:28
  have
• 9:29
  two
• 9:29
  strong
• 9:30
  female
• 9:31
  characters
• 9:32
  in
• 9:32
  your
• 9:32
  book,
• 9:33
  which
• 9:33
  is
• 9:33
  Leo's
• 9:34
  mom
• 9:35
  and
• 9:35
  the
• 9:35
  main
• 9:35
  character
• 9:36
  and
• 9:36
  is
• 9:37
  Nan.
• 9:38
  Talk
• 9:38
  to
• 9:38
  us
• 9:38
  about
• 9:39
  that.
• 9:39
  I
• 9:39
  don't
• 9:39
  want
• 9:40
  to
• 9:40
  get
• 9:40
  into
• 9:40
  the
• 9:40
  character
• 9:41
  development,
• 9:42
  but
• 9:42
  talk
• 9:42
  to
• 9:42
  us
• 9:42
  about
• 9:43
  is
• 9:43
  there
• 9:44
  female
• 9:44
  people
• 9:45
  in
• 9:45
  your
• 9:45
  life
• 9:46
  that
• 9:47
  are
• 9:47
  the
• 9:47
  inspiration
• 9:48
  behind
• 9:48
  the
• 9:49
  book
• 9:49
  or
• 9:50
  you
• 9:50
  Just
• 9:50
  decide
• 9:51
  to
• 9:51
  use
• 9:51
  a
• 9:51
  female
• 9:53
  as
• 9:53
  the
• 9:53
  parent
• 9:54
  rather
• 9:54
  than
• 9:55
  having
• 9:56
  the
• 9:56
  father
• 9:56
  be
• 9:56
  the
• 9:57
  police
• 9:57
  officer.
• 9:58
  The
• 9:59
  two
• 9:59
  elements
• 9:59
  of
• 9:59
  that
• 9:59
  question
• 10:00
  really
• 10:00
  are
• 10:00
  linked
• 10:00
  but
• 10:01
  separate
• 10:01
  in
• 10:01
  many
• 10:01
  ways.
• 10:02
  As
• 10:02
  far
• 10:03
  as
• 10:04
  a
• 10:04
  female
• 10:05
  inspiration,
• 10:07
  my
• 10:07
  own
• 10:07
  mother
• 10:08
  would
• 10:08
  was
• 10:08
  a
• 10:09
  bit
• 10:09
  like
• 10:09
  me,
• 10:09
  really
• 10:10
  was
• 10:10
  write
• 10:11
  the
• 10:11
  odd
• 10:11
  short
• 10:11
  story
• 10:12
  throughout
• 10:13
  her
• 10:13
  life.
• 10:14
  Longhand.
• 10:15
  It's
• 10:15
  only
• 10:15
  recently
• 10:16
  where
• 10:16
  she's
• 10:16
  actually
• 10:16
  published
• 10:17
  her
• 10:17
  first
• 10:17
  book
• 10:18
  at
• 10:18
  the
• 10:18
  age
• 10:19
  of
• 10:19
  81.
• 10:20
  Terrific.
• 10:21
  Fate
• 10:21
  takes
• 10:21
  a
• 10:21
  Hand.
• 10:22
  So
• 10:23
  there
• 10:23
  was
• 10:23
  a
• 10:23
  lot
• 10:23
  that
• 10:24
  was
• 10:24
  real,
• 10:25
  not
• 10:25
  a
• 10:25
  kick
• 10:26
  up
• 10:26
  the
• 10:26
  backside,
• 10:26
  but
• 10:26
  it
• 10:27
  was
• 10:27
  more
• 10:27
  of
• 10:27
  a
• 10:28
  get
• 10:28
  on
• 10:28
  and
• 10:28
  start
• 10:29
  doing
• 10:29
  it
• 10:29
  now,
• 10:30
  Stop
• 10:30
  procrastinating.
• 10:31
  It's
• 10:31
  not
• 10:31
  around
• 10:31
  the
• 10:31
  corner.
• 10:32
  You're
• 10:32
  going
• 10:32
  to
• 10:32
  do
• 10:32
  it
• 10:32
  and
• 10:32
  you're
• 10:32
  going
• 10:32
  to
• 10:33
  do
• 10:33
  it
• 10:33
  today.
• 10:34
  That's
• 10:34
  what
• 10:34
  kind
• 10:34
  of
• 10:35
  got
• 10:35
  me
• 10:35
  going.
• 10:35
  But
• 10:36
  in
• 10:36
  relation
• 10:36
  to.
• 10:37
  And
• 10:38
  they
• 10:38
  probably
• 10:39
  influenced
• 10:40
  a
• 10:40
  little
• 10:40
  bit
• 10:41
  of
• 10:41
  Leo's
• 10:42
  mum
• 10:42
  and
• 10:43
  Leo's
• 10:43
  grandmother.
• 10:44
  But
• 10:44
  what
• 10:44
  I
• 10:44
  wanted
• 10:45
  to
• 10:45
  show
• 10:45
  is
• 10:46
  that
• 10:47
  sometimes
• 10:49
  families
• 10:49
  are
• 10:50
  not
• 10:50
  the
• 10:50
  hallmark,
• 10:51
  I
• 10:51
  think
• 10:51
  you
• 10:51
  would
• 10:51
  call
• 10:52
  it
• 10:52
  over
• 10:52
  in
• 10:52
  America,
• 10:52
  wouldn't
• 10:53
  you,
• 10:53
  the
• 10:53
  Hallmark
• 10:53
  family
• 10:54
  where
• 10:54
  it's
• 10:54
  everything's
• 10:55
  nice
• 10:55
  and
• 10:55
  rosy.
• 10:56
  Sometimes
• 10:56
  you've
• 10:57
  got
• 10:57
  a
• 10:57
  lone
• 10:57
  parent.
• 10:58
  And
• 10:58
  I
• 10:58
  thought
• 10:58
  to
• 10:58
  really
• 10:59
  breast
• 11:01
  the
• 11:01
  stresses
• 11:01
  and
• 11:02
  strains
• 11:03
  that
• 11:04
  Leo's
• 11:04
  mom
• 11:04
  would
• 11:05
  feel
• 11:05
  because
• 11:06
  I
• 11:06
  want
• 11:06
  the
• 11:06
  parents
• 11:07
  to
• 11:07
  take
• 11:07
  something
• 11:08
  away
• 11:08
  from
• 11:09
  the
• 11:09
  book
• 11:09
  when
• 11:09
  they
• 11:10
  read
• 11:10
  it
• 11:10
  as
• 11:10
  well.
• 11:11
  It's
• 11:12
  not.
• 11:12
  It's
• 11:12
  not
• 11:12
  always
• 11:13
  happily
• 11:13
  ever
• 11:14
  after.
• 11:15
  No,
• 11:16
  exactly.
• 11:16
  And
• 11:16
  I
• 11:17
  want
• 11:17
  some
• 11:17
  of
• 11:17
  the
• 11:17
  things
• 11:18
  to
• 11:18
  not
• 11:19
  necessarily
• 11:19
  be
• 11:20
  picked
• 11:20
  up
• 11:20
  by
• 11:20
  the
• 11:20
  children,
• 11:20
  but
• 11:21
  also
• 11:21
  by
• 11:21
  the
• 11:21
  parents.
• 11:22
  And
• 11:22
  the
• 11:22
  fact
• 11:23
  that
• 11:24
  like
• 11:24
  you,
• 11:24
  I
• 11:24
  don't
• 11:25
  want
• 11:25
  to
• 11:25
  lot
• 11:25
  away
• 11:26
  but
• 11:26
  it's
• 11:26
  very
• 11:26
  important
• 11:27
  to
• 11:27
  me
• 11:27
  to
• 11:28
  include
• 11:28
  part
• 11:29
  of
• 11:29
  the
• 11:29
  story
• 11:30
  where
• 11:30
  you
• 11:31
  showed
• 11:32
  Nan
• 11:33
  looking
• 11:34
  after
• 11:34
  Leo's
• 11:35
  mom
• 11:36
  just
• 11:36
  as
• 11:36
  Leo's
• 11:37
  mom
• 11:37
  looks
• 11:37
  after
• 11:38
  Leo.
• 11:39
  As
• 11:39
  if
• 11:39
  this
• 11:40
  is
• 11:40
  multi
• 11:40
  generational.
• 11:41
  And
• 11:41
  there's
• 11:42
  parts
• 11:42
  of
• 11:42
  the
• 11:42
  stories
• 11:42
  where
• 11:43
  we
• 11:43
  find
• 11:43
  out
• 11:43
  that
• 11:44
  Leo's
• 11:45
  mum
• 11:45
  also
• 11:45
  worried
• 11:46
  when
• 11:46
  she
• 11:46
  was
• 11:46
  a
• 11:46
  child
• 11:47
  because
• 11:47
  her
• 11:47
  father
• 11:48
  was
• 11:48
  a
• 11:48
  train
• 11:48
  driver.
• 11:50
  There's
• 11:50
  certain
• 11:50
  beats
• 11:51
  that
• 11:51
  are
• 11:51
  repeated
• 11:51
  throughout
• 11:52
  through
• 11:52
  the
• 11:52
  generations.
• 11:53
  And
• 11:53
  that's
• 11:54
  what
• 11:54
  I
• 11:54
  really
• 11:54
  wanted
• 11:54
  to
• 11:54
  tease
• 11:55
  out.
• 11:55
  And
• 11:55
  I
• 11:55
  wanted
• 11:56
  to
• 11:56
  see
• 11:57
  how
• 11:57
  pressure
• 11:58
  would
• 11:58
  get
• 11:59
  to
• 11:59
  a
• 12:00
  single
• 12:00
  parent
• 12:01
  and
• 12:01
  not
• 12:01
  like
• 12:01
  everything's
• 12:02
  rosy
• 12:02
  at
• 12:03
  home
• 12:03
  because
• 12:05
  you
• 12:05
  know
• 12:05
  what?
• 12:05
  Sometimes
• 12:06
  it's
• 12:06
  not.
• 12:07
  And
• 12:07
  I
• 12:07
  want
• 12:07
  children
• 12:08
  to
• 12:09
  be
• 12:09
  able
• 12:09
  to
• 12:09
  see
• 12:09
  their
• 12:10
  own
• 12:10
  family
• 12:11
  dynamic
• 12:12
  in
• 12:12
  the
• 12:12
  story.
• 12:13
  That's
• 12:13
  terrific.
• 12:14
  We
• 12:14
  were
• 12:14
  talking
• 12:14
  about
• 12:15
  before
• 12:16
  we
• 12:16
  came
• 12:16
  on
• 12:17
  air
• 12:18
  is
• 12:19
  your
• 12:19
  website
• 12:19
  threw
• 12:20
  me
• 12:20
  off
• 12:20
  a
• 12:20
  bit
• 12:21
  and
• 12:22
  I
• 12:22
  thought,
• 12:22
  okay,
• 12:23
  I
• 12:23
  got
• 12:24
  to
• 12:24
  talk
• 12:24
  to
• 12:24
  Steve
• 12:25
  about
• 12:25
  this
• 12:25
  and
• 12:26
  for
• 12:26
  the
• 12:26
  audience
• 12:26
  you'll
• 12:27
  understand
• 12:27
  why
• 12:28
  because
• 12:28
  we'll
• 12:28
  be
• 12:28
  definitely
• 12:29
  providing
• 12:30
  links
• 12:30
  to
• 12:30
  Steve's
• 12:31
  website.
• 12:32
  Steve,
• 12:33
  two
• 12:33
  things.
• 12:34
  One,
• 12:35
  talk
• 12:35
  to
• 12:35
  us
• 12:36
  about
• 12:36
  your
• 12:37
  website
• 12:37
  and
• 12:38
  then
• 12:38
  I'M
• 12:39
  also
• 12:39
  curious
• 12:40
  on.
• 12:41
  I
• 12:41
  know
• 12:41
  you
• 12:42
  had
• 12:42
  that
• 12:43
  website,
• 12:43
  but
• 12:43
  I
• 12:44
  couldn't
• 12:44
  find
• 12:44
  your
• 12:44
  children's
• 12:45
  book
• 12:45
  on
• 12:46
  the
• 12:46
  website,
• 12:47
  so
• 12:47
  that's
• 12:47
  why
• 12:47
  I
• 12:47
  was
• 12:48
  thrown
• 12:48
  off
• 12:48
  a
• 12:48
  bit.
• 12:49
  Explain
• 12:49
  to
• 12:49
  us
• 12:50
  that
• 12:50
  whole
• 12:50
  dynamic
• 12:51
  and
• 12:51
  it's
• 12:51
  fine
• 12:51
  if
• 12:52
  you
• 12:52
  want
• 12:52
  to
• 12:52
  get
• 12:52
  into
• 12:53
  your
• 12:53
  current
• 12:53
  role
• 12:54
  and
• 12:54
  explain
• 12:54
  that
• 12:55
  through.
• 12:55
  I
• 12:55
  appreciate
• 12:56
  that.
• 12:57
  You're
• 12:57
  absolutely
• 12:57
  right.
• 12:58
  You.
• 12:58
  If
• 12:58
  you
• 12:58
  looked
• 12:59
  at
• 12:59
  tvcops.co.uk.
• 13:01
  you'd
• 13:01
  wonder
• 13:01
  whether
• 13:02
  you
• 13:02
  came
• 13:02
  to
• 13:02
  the
• 13:02
  correct
• 13:03
  place
• 13:03
  for
• 13:03
  a
• 13:03
  children's
• 13:04
  book
• 13:04
  author.
• 13:05
  Because
• 13:06
  like
• 13:06
  I
• 13:06
  said,
• 13:06
  predominantly,
• 13:07
  I
• 13:07
  did
• 13:07
  27
• 13:08
  years
• 13:08
  in
• 13:08
  the
• 13:08
  place
• 13:08
  here
• 13:09
  in
• 13:09
  Lancashire.
• 13:10
  Now,
• 13:11
  my
• 13:11
  career
• 13:12
  was
• 13:13
  within
• 13:13
  the
• 13:13
  armed
• 13:14
  response
• 13:14
  world.
• 13:15
  Armed
• 13:16
  policing
• 13:16
  within
• 13:16
  England
• 13:17
  is
• 13:17
  a
• 13:17
  specialist
• 13:18
  department.
• 13:18
  Not
• 13:18
  all
• 13:18
  officers
• 13:19
  carry
• 13:19
  weapons.
• 13:20
  And
• 13:21
  I
• 13:21
  retired.
• 13:22
  What
• 13:23
  it's
• 13:23
  a
• 13:23
  very
• 13:23
  grand
• 13:24
  title
• 13:24
  of
• 13:24
  the
• 13:25
  Firearms
• 13:25
  Commander,
• 13:26
  where
• 13:26
  it's
• 13:26
  the
• 13:26
  commander
• 13:27
  who
• 13:27
  gives
• 13:27
  the
• 13:27
  instructions
• 13:28
  in
• 13:28
  relation
• 13:28
  to
• 13:29
  the
• 13:29
  deployment
• 13:29
  of
• 13:30
  armed
• 13:30
  officers.
• 13:31
  Very
• 13:31
  serious
• 13:31
  world,
• 13:32
  very
• 13:32
  structured
• 13:33
  world.
• 13:34
  And
• 13:35
  when
• 13:36
  I
• 13:36
  left
• 13:37
  policing,
• 13:37
  because
• 13:38
  I'd
• 13:38
  already
• 13:38
  done
• 13:39
  a
• 13:39
  little
• 13:39
  bit
• 13:39
  of
• 13:39
  acting
• 13:40
  on
• 13:40
  TV
• 13:41
  here
• 13:41
  in
• 13:41
  England,
• 13:42
  I
• 13:42
  noticed
• 13:43
  that
• 13:43
  there
• 13:43
  was
• 13:43
  a
• 13:43
  gap
• 13:44
  between
• 13:46
  the
• 13:46
  police
• 13:47
  advice
• 13:48
  that
• 13:48
  productions,
• 13:49
  TV
• 13:49
  and
• 13:49
  film
• 13:50
  productions
• 13:50
  were
• 13:50
  receiving.
• 13:51
  So
• 13:51
  it
• 13:51
  was
• 13:52
  very
• 13:52
  easy
• 13:52
  to
• 13:52
  step
• 13:53
  into
• 13:53
  that
• 13:53
  world.
• 13:54
  I
• 13:54
  set
• 13:54
  up
• 13:54
  TV
• 13:54
  Cops,
• 13:55
  where
• 13:56
  predominantly
• 13:57
  we
• 13:57
  were
• 13:57
  giving
• 13:58
  police
• 13:58
  advice
• 13:59
  on
• 13:59
  set.
• 14:00
  So
• 14:00
  on
• 14:00
  the
• 14:00
  day
• 14:00
  of
• 14:00
  filming
• 14:01
  we
• 14:01
  would
• 14:01
  be
• 14:01
  there
• 14:02
  and
• 14:02
  we
• 14:02
  would
• 14:02
  help.
• 14:03
  Now
• 14:03
  that
• 14:04
  very
• 14:04
  quickly
• 14:05
  developed
• 14:05
  into
• 14:06
  also
• 14:07
  being
• 14:07
  able
• 14:08
  to
• 14:08
  help
• 14:08
  with
• 14:08
  the
• 14:08
  script
• 14:09
  side
• 14:09
  of
• 14:09
  work,
• 14:09
  like
• 14:10
  I
• 14:10
  said
• 14:10
  previously.
• 14:11
  So
• 14:11
  predominantly
• 14:12
  our
• 14:12
  work,
• 14:13
  I
• 14:13
  would
• 14:13
  say
• 14:13
  90%
• 14:14
  of
• 14:14
  our
• 14:15
  work
• 14:15
  is
• 14:16
  dealing
• 14:16
  with
• 14:16
  giving
• 14:17
  advice
• 14:17
  to
• 14:17
  writers,
• 14:18
  script
• 14:18
  executive,
• 14:19
  production
• 14:20
  companies
• 14:21
  about
• 14:21
  police
• 14:22
  procedural
• 14:22
  stuff
• 14:23
  for
• 14:23
  tv.
• 14:24
  And
• 14:25
  with
• 14:25
  my
• 14:26
  background
• 14:27
  in
• 14:27
  armed
• 14:27
  policing,
• 14:28
  I
• 14:28
  also
• 14:28
  set
• 14:29
  up
• 14:29
  courses
• 14:30
  where
• 14:30
  I
• 14:30
  could
• 14:30
  teach
• 14:31
  actors
• 14:32
  how
• 14:32
  to
• 14:32
  shoot,
• 14:33
  okay,
• 14:33
  to
• 14:33
  look
• 14:34
  like
• 14:35
  they
• 14:35
  knew
• 14:35
  what
• 14:36
  they
• 14:36
  were
• 14:36
  doing
• 14:36
  on
• 14:36
  screen.
• 14:37
  If
• 14:37
  you've
• 14:38
  got
• 14:38
  an
• 14:38
  actor
• 14:38
  who's
• 14:38
  supposed
• 14:38
  to
• 14:39
  be
• 14:39
  an
• 14:39
  ex
• 14:39
  Navy
• 14:39
  Seal,
• 14:41
  they
• 14:41
  need
• 14:41
  to
• 14:41
  be
• 14:42
  able
• 14:42
  to
• 14:42
  look
• 14:42
  like
• 14:42
  they
• 14:42
  can
• 14:43
  shoot
• 14:43
  correctly.
• 14:43
  Sometimes
• 14:44
  you
• 14:44
  wonder
• 14:45
  when
• 14:45
  you
• 14:45
  see
• 14:45
  these
• 14:46
  cops
• 14:46
  and
• 14:46
  robber
• 14:47
  shows
• 14:47
  and
• 14:48
  how
• 14:48
  the
• 14:48
  guy's
• 14:49
  holding
• 14:49
  the
• 14:49
  gun
• 14:50
  and
• 14:50
  you're
• 14:50
  thinking,
• 14:51
  come
• 14:51
  on.
• 14:52
  It
• 14:53
  doesn't
• 14:53
  seem
• 14:53
  to
• 14:53
  make
• 14:54
  any
• 14:54
  sense
• 14:54
  to
• 14:54
  me,
• 14:55
  especially
• 14:55
  when
• 14:55
  they
• 14:56
  hold
• 14:56
  it
• 14:56
  on
• 14:56
  the
• 14:56
  side.
• 14:56
  I'm
• 14:57
  thinking
• 14:57
  there's
• 14:58
  a
• 14:58
  lot
• 14:58
  of
• 14:58
  what.
• 14:58
  We
• 14:58
  do
• 14:59
  which
• 14:59
  we
• 15:00
  have
• 15:00
  to
• 15:00
  suspend
• 15:01
  realism
• 15:02
  because
• 15:03
  cannot
• 15:03
  wait
• 15:04
  six
• 15:04
  weeks
• 15:05
  in
• 15:05
  production
• 15:06
  timeline
• 15:07
  for
• 15:07
  the
• 15:07
  DNA
• 15:07
  results
• 15:08
  to
• 15:08
  return.
• 15:08
  We
• 15:08
  need
• 15:09
  the
• 15:09
  DNA
• 15:09
  results
• 15:09
  at
• 15:10
  the
• 15:10
  end
• 15:10
  of
• 15:10
  episode
• 15:10
  two.
• 15:11
  We
• 15:11
  can't
• 15:12
  carry
• 15:12
  on
• 15:12
  or
• 15:12
  else
• 15:13
  you
• 15:13
  could
• 15:13
  just
• 15:13
  have
• 15:13
  people
• 15:13
  sat
• 15:14
  around
• 15:14
  the
• 15:14
  office
• 15:14
  waiting,
• 15:15
  wouldn't
• 15:15
  you?
• 15:16
  I
• 15:16
  understand.
• 15:17
  We're
• 15:17
  not
• 15:17
  making
• 15:18
  a
• 15:18
  documentary,
• 15:18
  we're
• 15:19
  making
• 15:19
  drama.
• 15:20
  And
• 15:20
  you
• 15:20
  need
• 15:20
  to
• 15:20
  actually
• 15:21
  people
• 15:21
  to
• 15:21
  watch
• 15:22
  it
• 15:22
  or
• 15:22
  else
• 15:22
  you're
• 15:22
  not
• 15:23
  going
• 15:23
  to
• 15:23
  sell
• 15:23
  your
• 15:23
  Advertising
• 15:24
  space.
• 15:24
  Isn't
• 15:25
  that
• 15:25
  the
• 15:25
  truth?
• 15:26
  Exactly.
• 15:27
  But
• 15:28
  you
• 15:28
  do
• 15:28
  notice,
• 15:29
  especially
• 15:30
  with
• 15:30
  my
• 15:30
  background,
• 15:30
  you
• 15:31
  do
• 15:31
  notice
• 15:31
  the
• 15:32
  people
• 15:32
  who
• 15:33
  have
• 15:33
  had
• 15:34
  some
• 15:34
  training
• 15:35
  regarding
• 15:35
  weaponry.
• 15:36
  The
• 15:36
  big
• 15:37
  one
• 15:37
  is
• 15:37
  Keanu
• 15:38
  Reeves.
• 15:38
  He's
• 15:38
  just
• 15:39
  master
• 15:39
  of
• 15:40
  it.
• 15:40
  But
• 15:40
  if
• 15:40
  you
• 15:41
  also
• 15:41
  look
• 15:41
  at
• 15:41
  things
• 15:41
  like
• 15:42
  the
• 15:42
  old
• 15:42
  film
• 15:42
  Heat,
• 15:43
  Val
• 15:43
  Kilmer's
• 15:44
  mag
• 15:44
  changes.
• 15:45
  But
• 15:46
  from
• 15:46
  one
• 15:46
  thing
• 15:47
  I've
• 15:47
  watched
• 15:47
  recently,
• 15:48
  an
• 15:48
  American
• 15:48
  show,
• 15:49
  the
• 15:49
  Night
• 15:50
  Agent
• 15:51
  leading,
• 15:51
  that
• 15:52
  he's
• 15:52
  exceptional
• 15:53
  with
• 15:53
  the
• 15:53
  handgun.
• 15:55
  And
• 15:55
  also
• 15:55
  our
• 15:56
  own
• 15:57
  Marsha
• 15:57
  Thomason,
• 15:58
  who
• 15:58
  has
• 15:58
  appeared
• 15:59
  in
• 15:59
  some
• 16:00
  of
• 16:00
  your
• 16:00
  productions,
• 16:00
  handgun
• 16:01
  skills
• 16:01
  are
• 16:02
  exceptional.
• 16:02
  So
• 16:03
  you
• 16:03
  do
• 16:03
  see
• 16:03
  it.
• 16:04
  That's
• 16:04
  really
• 16:04
  where
• 16:04
  TV
• 16:05
  Cops
• 16:05
  is.
• 16:05
  And
• 16:06
  that
• 16:06
  90%
• 16:07
  of
• 16:07
  our
• 16:07
  business
• 16:07
  is
• 16:09
  with
• 16:09
  production
• 16:10
  executive
• 16:11
  writers,
• 16:12
  whether
• 16:12
  that
• 16:12
  be
• 16:12
  at
• 16:13
  a
• 16:13
  pilot
• 16:13
  stage,
• 16:14
  whether
• 16:14
  that
• 16:14
  be
• 16:15
  pitch
• 16:15
  stage
• 16:16
  or
• 16:16
  anything.
• 16:17
  Because
• 16:17
  it's
• 16:17
  so
• 16:18
  competitive
• 16:18
  at
• 16:18
  the
• 16:18
  moment,
• 16:19
  people
• 16:19
  want
• 16:20
  their
• 16:20
  scripts
• 16:20
  to
• 16:20
  be
• 16:21
  as
• 16:21
  good
• 16:21
  as
• 16:21
  they
• 16:21
  can
• 16:21
  be
• 16:22
  even
• 16:22
  before
• 16:22
  the
• 16:22
  approach
• 16:23
  production
• 16:24
  company.
• 16:24
  So
• 16:25
  yeah,
• 16:25
  that's
• 16:25
  the
• 16:25
  most
• 16:25
  of
• 16:26
  our
• 16:26
  business
• 16:26
  at
• 16:26
  the
• 16:26
  moment.
• 16:27
  Okay.
• 16:27
  And
• 16:28
  so
• 16:28
  the
• 16:29
  website
• 16:29
  itself,
• 16:30
  are
• 16:30
  you
• 16:31
  going
• 16:31
  to.
• 16:32
  Because
• 16:32
  I
• 16:32
  mean
• 16:33
  it's
• 16:33
  dedicated
• 16:33
  to
• 16:34
  service.
• 16:35
  Are
• 16:36
  you
• 16:36
  going
• 16:36
  to
• 16:37
  incorporate
• 16:38
  a
• 16:38
  link
• 16:38
  in
• 16:39
  there?
• 16:39
  Yes.
• 16:39
  To
• 16:40
  Brave
• 16:40
  at
• 16:40
  Home?
• 16:40
  Yes,
• 16:41
  the
• 16:41
  it's
• 16:41
  currently
• 16:43
  under
• 16:43
  construction.
• 16:44
  I
• 16:44
  did
• 16:44
  some
• 16:44
  work
• 16:44
  on
• 16:44
  it
• 16:45
  just
• 16:45
  before
• 16:45
  Christmas.
• 16:46
  So
• 16:46
  you're
• 16:46
  going
• 16:46
  to
• 16:46
  set
• 16:47
  up
• 16:47
  a
• 16:47
  separate
• 16:48
  website
• 16:48
  for
• 16:48
  your
• 16:48
  book.
• 16:50
  It's
• 16:50
  going
• 16:50
  to
• 16:50
  have
• 16:50
  its
• 16:51
  own
• 16:51
  address.
• 16:51
  It's
• 16:52
  going
• 16:52
  to
• 16:52
  be
• 16:52
  part
• 16:52
  of
• 16:52
  the
• 16:52
  TV
• 16:53
  Cops.
• 16:53
  Okay,
• 16:54
  terrific.
• 16:55
  And
• 16:55
  it's
• 16:55
  going
• 16:55
  to
• 16:55
  be
• 16:55
  tvcopts.co.uk/rave
• 16:58
  at
• 16:58
  home.
• 16:59
  And
• 16:59
  that
• 16:59
  should
• 16:59
  be
• 17:00
  live
• 17:00
  in
• 17:00
  the
• 17:00
  next
• 17:00
  week
• 17:00
  or
• 17:01
  so.
• 17:01
  Just
• 17:02
  tweaking
• 17:02
  the
• 17:02
  last
• 17:02
  little
• 17:03
  part
• 17:03
  of
• 17:03
  it.
• 17:04
  Yes.
• 17:04
  Because
• 17:05
  every
• 17:05
  day
• 17:05
  I
• 17:06
  seem
• 17:06
  to
• 17:06
  be
• 17:06
  adding
• 17:06
  another
• 17:08
  copy
• 17:08
  and
• 17:08
  paste
• 17:08
  from
• 17:09
  a
• 17:09
  review
• 17:09
  that
• 17:09
  I've
• 17:10
  received.
• 17:11
  They
• 17:11
  want
• 17:11
  to
• 17:11
  get
• 17:11
  all
• 17:12
  the
• 17:12
  reviews
• 17:12
  on.
• 17:12
  But
• 17:13
  yeah,
• 17:13
  it
• 17:13
  explains
• 17:14
  about
• 17:14
  Leo's
• 17:15
  journey,
• 17:15
  explains
• 17:15
  about
• 17:16
  moment,
• 17:16
  it
• 17:16
  explains
• 17:16
  about
• 17:17
  projects
• 17:17
  coming
• 17:18
  up
• 17:18
  as
• 17:18
  well.
• 17:19
  Okay.
• 17:19
  And
• 17:19
  I
• 17:20
  noticed
• 17:20
  that
• 17:20
  when
• 17:21
  I
• 17:21
  went
• 17:21
  to
• 17:21
  Amazon,
• 17:22
  you
• 17:22
  have
• 17:22
  a
• 17:22
  paperback
• 17:24
  and
• 17:24
  you
• 17:25
  have
• 17:25
  a
• 17:25
  hard
• 17:26
  copy
• 17:26
  version.
• 17:28
  Yes.
• 17:28
  But
• 17:28
  I
• 17:28
  noticed
• 17:29
  you
• 17:29
  don't
• 17:29
  have
• 17:29
  an
• 17:29
  ebook
• 17:30
  and
• 17:30
  I
• 17:30
  really
• 17:31
  thought
• 17:31
  this
• 17:31
  would
• 17:31
  be
• 17:32
  one
• 17:32
  that
• 17:33
  really
• 17:33
  translates
• 17:34
  well
• 17:34
  into
• 17:35
  an
• 17:35
  ebook
• 17:35
  for
• 17:36
  format.
• 17:37
  Do
• 17:37
  you
• 17:37
  have
• 17:37
  plans
• 17:38
  for
• 17:38
  an
• 17:38
  ebook?
• 17:39
  I
• 17:39
  wanted
• 17:40
  to
• 17:40
  allow
• 17:40
  the
• 17:40
  paperback
• 17:41
  and
• 17:41
  hardbacks
• 17:42
  to
• 17:42
  breathe
• 17:42
  a
• 17:42
  little
• 17:42
  bit
• 17:43
  because
• 17:44
  what
• 17:44
  I've
• 17:44
  actually
• 17:46
  received
• 17:46
  a
• 17:46
  lot
• 17:46
  of
• 17:46
  feedback
• 17:47
  for
• 17:47
  and
• 17:48
  one
• 17:49
  of
• 17:49
  the
• 17:49
  things,
• 17:49
  when
• 17:50
  I
• 17:50
  was
• 17:50
  doing
• 17:50
  the
• 17:50
  initial
• 17:51
  research,
• 17:52
  they
• 17:52
  wanted
• 17:52
  a
• 17:52
  physical
• 17:53
  book
• 17:54
  so
• 17:54
  they
• 17:54
  could
• 17:55
  sit
• 17:55
  down
• 17:55
  with
• 17:55
  their
• 17:56
  children.
• 17:56
  Yes,
• 17:57
  but
• 17:57
  also
• 17:58
  the
• 17:59
  hardback,
• 18:00
  both
• 18:01
  of
• 18:01
  them
• 18:01
  really.
• 18:01
  But
• 18:01
  the
• 18:01
  hardback
• 18:02
  they
• 18:02
  wanted
• 18:03
  to
• 18:03
  be
• 18:03
  able
• 18:03
  to.
• 18:03
  They
• 18:04
  could
• 18:04
  read
• 18:04
  it
• 18:04
  to
• 18:04
  the
• 18:04
  child,
• 18:05
  have
• 18:05
  a
• 18:05
  discussion
• 18:06
  with
• 18:07
  their
• 18:07
  child
• 18:08
  and
• 18:08
  then
• 18:09
  all
• 18:09
  children
• 18:10
  do.
• 18:10
  They'll
• 18:10
  ruminate
• 18:11
  over
• 18:11
  it,
• 18:11
  they'll
• 18:12
  have
• 18:12
  a
• 18:12
  good
• 18:12
  thing.
• 18:13
  And
• 18:13
  then
• 18:13
  I
• 18:13
  want
• 18:13
  it
• 18:13
  to
• 18:14
  be
• 18:14
  on
• 18:14
  the
• 18:14
  bookshelf
• 18:15
  so
• 18:15
  they
• 18:15
  can
• 18:15
  go
• 18:15
  back,
• 18:16
  pull
• 18:16
  it
• 18:16
  out
• 18:17
  and
• 18:17
  just,
• 18:18
  even
• 18:18
  if
• 18:18
  they
• 18:18
  just
• 18:18
  want
• 18:19
  to
• 18:19
  look
• 18:19
  at
• 18:20
  Bramley
• 18:20
  on
• 18:20
  one
• 18:21
  of
• 18:21
  the
• 18:21
  chapters,
• 18:21
  Leo's
• 18:22
  the
• 18:22
  Fox,
• 18:23
  just
• 18:23
  I
• 18:24
  want
• 18:24
  it
• 18:24
  to
• 18:24
  be
• 18:25
  tangible.
• 18:25
  I
• 18:26
  want
• 18:26
  for
• 18:26
  them
• 18:26
  to
• 18:26
  be
• 18:26
  able
• 18:26
  to
• 18:27
  pick
• 18:27
  it
• 18:27
  up
• 18:27
  and
• 18:28
  read
• 18:28
  it.
• 18:28
  But
• 18:29
  yeah,
• 18:29
  I'm
• 18:29
  getting
• 18:29
  to
• 18:29
  the
• 18:29
  point
• 18:30
  now
• 18:30
  where
• 18:30
  I
• 18:30
  think
• 18:31
  perhaps
• 18:31
  an
• 18:31
  ebook
• 18:32
  might
• 18:32
  be
• 18:33
  appropriate,
• 18:35
  especially
• 18:35
  over
• 18:35
  the
• 18:35
  winter
• 18:36
  months
• 18:36
  and
• 18:36
  over
• 18:37
  Christmas.
• 18:37
  I
• 18:37
  wanted
• 18:38
  to
• 18:38
  really
• 18:38
  focus
• 18:39
  on
• 18:39
  the
• 18:39
  tangible
• 18:40
  item
• 18:40
  and
• 18:41
  that's
• 18:41
  a
• 18:41
  great
• 18:41
  strategy.
• 18:42
  A
• 18:42
  lot
• 18:42
  of
• 18:43
  my
• 18:43
  guests
• 18:43
  have
• 18:43
  told
• 18:44
  me
• 18:44
  what
• 18:45
  they
• 18:45
  find
• 18:45
  is
• 18:46
  they
• 18:46
  generally
• 18:47
  use
• 18:47
  their
• 18:48
  ebook
• 18:49
  as
• 18:50
  one
• 18:50
  of
• 18:50
  the
• 18:50
  ways
• 18:50
  to
• 18:51
  market
• 18:51
  their
• 18:51
  books.
• 18:52
  So
• 18:53
  as
• 18:53
  a
• 18:53
  promotional
• 18:54
  item.
• 18:54
  And
• 18:55
  they
• 18:55
  also
• 18:55
  find,
• 18:56
  and
• 18:56
  we're
• 18:56
  finding
• 18:57
  this
• 18:57
  too,
• 18:58
  is
• 18:58
  that
• 18:59
  people,
• 19:00
  they'll
• 19:00
  purchase
• 19:00
  the
• 19:01
  ebook
• 19:02
  but
• 19:02
  they
• 19:02
  end
• 19:03
  up
• 19:03
  going
• 19:03
  and
• 19:03
  also
• 19:04
  purchasing
• 19:05
  the
• 19:05
  hard
• 19:05
  copy.
• 19:06
  So
• 19:06
  it's
• 19:07
  quite
• 19:07
  interesting.
• 19:07
  And
• 19:08
  I
• 19:08
  just,
• 19:08
  maybe
• 19:08
  it's
• 19:09
  because
• 19:09
  people
• 19:09
  have
• 19:10
  iPads
• 19:10
  and
• 19:11
  Kindles
• 19:11
  and
• 19:11
  all
• 19:12
  that
• 19:12
  nowadays,
• 19:13
  but
• 19:14
  children
• 19:14
  like
• 19:14
  to
• 19:15
  be
• 19:15
  able
• 19:16
  to
• 19:16
  pick
• 19:16
  up
• 19:17
  their
• 19:17
  book
• 19:17
  up
• 19:17
  and
• 19:18
  flip
• 19:18
  through
• 19:18
  it
• 19:18
  and
• 19:19
  read
• 19:19
  it.
• 19:19
  Yes.
• 19:20
  And
• 19:20
  there's
• 19:20
  elements
• 19:21
  to
• 19:21
  the
• 19:22
  of
• 19:22
  the
• 19:22
  book
• 19:23
  where
• 19:23
  it's
• 19:23
  inviting
• 19:25
  some
• 19:25
  interaction
• 19:26
  from
• 19:26
  the
• 19:26
  child
• 19:27
  as
• 19:27
  well
• 19:27
  and
• 19:27
  asking
• 19:28
  them
• 19:28
  questions
• 19:29
  of
• 19:29
  what
• 19:30
  some
• 19:30
  blank
• 19:30
  space
• 19:31
  where
• 19:31
  they
• 19:32
  wanted
• 19:32
  it
• 19:32
  to
• 19:32
  be
• 19:32
  as
• 19:33
  interactive
• 19:33
  as
• 19:33
  possible,
• 19:33
  but
• 19:34
  make
• 19:34
  a
• 19:34
  very
• 19:34
  valid
• 19:35
  point
• 19:35
  about
• 19:35
  the
• 19:35
  ebook.
• 19:36
  And
• 19:36
  it's
• 19:36
  certainly
• 19:37
  something
• 19:37
  which
• 19:37
  we
• 19:37
  will
• 19:38
  move
• 19:38
  on
• 19:38
  to
• 19:39
  in
• 19:39
  the
• 19:39
  coming
• 19:40
  months.
• 19:40
  You
• 19:40
  know
• 19:41
  what,
• 19:41
  Steve?
• 19:41
  Even
• 19:41
  like
• 19:42
  with
• 19:42
  us,
• 19:42
  we're
• 19:43
  trying
• 19:43
  to
• 19:43
  encourage
• 19:44
  our
• 19:45
  young
• 19:45
  readers
• 19:45
  to
• 19:46
  be
• 19:46
  storytellers
• 19:47
  themselves.
• 19:48
  So
• 19:48
  we
• 19:48
  actually
• 19:50
  have
• 19:50
  added
• 19:50
  pages
• 19:51
  for
• 19:51
  someone
• 19:51
  to
• 19:52
  write
• 19:52
  their
• 19:52
  own
• 19:52
  story
• 19:53
  and
• 19:53
  then
• 19:53
  we've
• 19:54
  even
• 19:54
  added
• 19:55
  frames
• 19:55
  that
• 19:56
  are
• 19:56
  made
• 19:56
  of
• 19:56
  railway
• 19:57
  tracks
• 19:58
  where
• 19:58
  they
• 19:58
  can
• 19:59
  draw
• 19:59
  their
• 19:59
  stories.
• 20:00
  Fantastic.
• 20:01
  Yeah,
• 20:01
  those
• 20:02
  kinds
• 20:02
  of
• 20:02
  things.
• 20:02
  And
• 20:03
  it's
• 20:03
  nice
• 20:04
  to
• 20:04
  have
• 20:04
  that
• 20:04
  interaction.
• 20:06
  Yes.
• 20:07
  So
• 20:08
  I
• 20:08
  want
• 20:08
  to
• 20:08
  talk
• 20:08
  to
• 20:08
  you
• 20:08
  about
• 20:09
  your
• 20:09
  publishing
• 20:10
  approach
• 20:11
  because
• 20:11
  there's
• 20:12
  generally
• 20:12
  three
• 20:12
  ways
• 20:13
  to
• 20:13
  publish.
• 20:13
  One
• 20:14
  is
• 20:14
  to
• 20:14
  be
• 20:14
  an
• 20:14
  independent
• 20:15
  publisher
• 20:16
  where
• 20:16
  you
• 20:16
  do
• 20:17
  all
• 20:17
  the
• 20:17
  work,
• 20:17
  you
• 20:18
  publish
• 20:18
  the
• 20:18
  book.
• 20:19
  There's
• 20:19
  the
• 20:19
  self
• 20:20
  published
• 20:20
  hybrid
• 20:21
  version
• 20:21
  where
• 20:22
  you
• 20:23
  hire
• 20:23
  a
• 20:24
  company
• 20:25
  but
• 20:25
  you
• 20:25
  direct
• 20:26
  them.
• 20:26
  And
• 20:27
  then
• 20:27
  there's
• 20:27
  the
• 20:27
  traditional
• 20:28
  publisher
• 20:29
  who
• 20:29
  takes
• 20:30
  all
• 20:30
  the
• 20:30
  rights
• 20:30
  to
• 20:31
  your
• 20:31
  book
• 20:31
  and
• 20:31
  sends
• 20:31
  you
• 20:32
  a
• 20:32
  couple
• 20:32
  of
• 20:32
  bucks
• 20:33
  and
• 20:33
  you
• 20:33
  don't
• 20:34
  get
• 20:34
  to
• 20:34
  keep
• 20:34
  any
• 20:34
  of
• 20:34
  your
• 20:35
  rights.
• 20:35
  So
• 20:36
  I'm
• 20:36
  just
• 20:36
  curious
• 20:37
  on,
• 20:37
  can
• 20:37
  you
• 20:37
  explain
• 20:38
  to
• 20:38
  us
• 20:38
  your
• 20:39
  publishing
• 20:40
  approach?
• 20:41
  Yes.
• 20:42
  I
• 20:43
  wanted
• 20:43
  this
• 20:43
  one
• 20:44
  really
• 20:44
  to
• 20:44
  be
• 20:44
  me
• 20:45
  self
• 20:45
  published
• 20:46
  because
• 20:46
  then
• 20:46
  I
• 20:47
  had
• 20:47
  complete
• 20:48
  control.
• 20:50
  So
• 20:50
  when
• 20:50
  you
• 20:50
  say
• 20:50
  self
• 20:51
  published,
• 20:51
  you
• 20:51
  mean
• 20:52
  independently
• 20:52
  published
• 20:53
  or
• 20:53
  okay,
• 20:54
  you
• 20:54
  did
• 20:54
  all
• 20:54
  the
• 20:55
  work?
• 20:55
  I
• 20:56
  did
• 20:56
  all
• 20:56
  the
• 20:56
  work,
• 20:56
  yes.
• 20:57
  In
• 20:57
  many
• 20:57
  respects
• 20:58
  it
• 20:58
  obviously
• 20:58
  stands
• 20:59
  alone
• 20:59
  on
• 20:59
  its
• 20:59
  own.
• 21:00
  But
• 21:00
  also
• 21:01
  I
• 21:01
  wanted
• 21:02
  a
• 21:02
  proof
• 21:02
  of
• 21:03
  concept
• 21:03
  really
• 21:04
  to
• 21:05
  approach
• 21:06
  welfare,
• 21:07
  emergency
• 21:08
  service,
• 21:08
  welfare
• 21:09
  institutions,
• 21:10
  both
• 21:11
  businesses
• 21:11
  and
• 21:11
  charities.
• 21:13
  And
• 21:14
  it's
• 21:14
  a
• 21:14
  lot
• 21:14
  easier
• 21:15
  to
• 21:15
  actually
• 21:15
  go
• 21:16
  to
• 21:16
  them
• 21:16
  with
• 21:16
  a
• 21:17
  book
• 21:18
  than
• 21:18
  it
• 21:18
  is
• 21:18
  with
• 21:18
  an
• 21:19
  outline
• 21:19
  or
• 21:19
  an
• 21:19
  idea.
• 21:20
  Yes,
• 21:21
  absolutely.
• 21:21
  This
• 21:22
  is
• 21:22
  what
• 21:22
  I've
• 21:22
  done.
• 21:23
  This
• 21:23
  is
• 21:23
  what
• 21:23
  I'm
• 21:24
  thinking
• 21:24
  of
• 21:24
  in
• 21:24
  the
• 21:24
  future.
• 21:25
  Are
• 21:26
  you
• 21:26
  interested?
• 21:26
  Because
• 21:27
  I
• 21:27
  really
• 21:27
  do
• 21:28
  think
• 21:28
  it's
• 21:28
  something
• 21:29
  because
• 21:29
  we've
• 21:29
  got
• 21:30
  many
• 21:30
  charities
• 21:31
  in
• 21:31
  the
• 21:31
  UK
• 21:31
  and
• 21:32
  I'm
• 21:32
  sure
• 21:32
  the
• 21:32
  similar
• 21:33
  guarding
• 21:35
  people
• 21:35
  who
• 21:36
  want
• 21:36
  to
• 21:36
  look
• 21:37
  after
• 21:37
  the
• 21:37
  mental
• 21:38
  well
• 21:38
  being,
• 21:39
  the
• 21:39
  welfare
• 21:40
  side,
• 21:40
  absolutely.
• 21:41
  Not
• 21:41
  just
• 21:41
  police
• 21:42
  officers,
• 21:42
  paramedics,
• 21:43
  doctors,
• 21:44
  but
• 21:44
  I've
• 21:44
  also
• 21:45
  included
• 21:45
  those
• 21:46
  organizations
• 21:47
  on
• 21:47
  board
• 21:47
  and
• 21:48
  to
• 21:48
  drive
• 21:49
  not
• 21:49
  only
• 21:49
  this.
• 21:50
  You
• 21:50
  know,
• 21:51
  it's
• 21:51
  interesting
• 21:51
  because
• 21:52
  I'm
• 21:52
  seeing
• 21:52
  more
• 21:53
  and
• 21:53
  more
• 21:53
  of
• 21:53
  that
• 21:53
  with
• 21:54
  children's
• 21:54
  books.
• 21:55
  A
• 21:55
  lot
• 21:55
  of
• 21:56
  times
• 21:56
  there's
• 21:56
  such
• 21:57
  a
• 21:57
  diversity
• 21:57
  of
• 21:58
  books
• 21:58
  now
• 21:59
  on
• 21:59
  the
• 21:59
  subjects
• 22:00
  around
• 22:00
  children.
• 22:01
  So
• 22:02
  it's,
• 22:02
  it's
• 22:02
  interesting.
• 22:03
  I
• 22:03
  just
• 22:03
  had
• 22:04
  a
• 22:04
  gal
• 22:05
  from
• 22:05
  Buffalo,
• 22:05
  New
• 22:05
  York.
• 22:06
  She
• 22:06
  reached
• 22:06
  out
• 22:07
  to
• 22:07
  me.
• 22:07
  She
• 22:08
  actually
• 22:08
  purchased
• 22:09
  a
• 22:09
  couple
• 22:09
  of
• 22:09
  books
• 22:09
  and
• 22:10
  a
• 22:10
  plushie
• 22:11
  and
• 22:11
  they're
• 22:12
  using
• 22:12
  it
• 22:12
  to
• 22:13
  fundraise
• 22:14
  kids
• 22:14
  for
• 22:14
  cancer.
• 22:15
  Those
• 22:15
  type
• 22:16
  of
• 22:16
  things
• 22:16
  are
• 22:16
  going
• 22:16
  on
• 22:16
  all
• 22:17
  the
• 22:17
  time.
• 22:17
  I
• 22:17
  was
• 22:17
  going
• 22:18
  to
• 22:18
  say.
• 22:18
  Also,
• 22:19
  by
• 22:19
  publishing
• 22:19
  it
• 22:20
  myself,
• 22:20
  I
• 22:20
  control
• 22:21
  over
• 22:21
  the
• 22:21
  price.
• 22:22
  It
• 22:22
  is
• 22:22
  a
• 22:22
  color
• 22:24
  book
• 22:24
  and
• 22:25
  that
• 22:26
  normally
• 22:26
  sends
• 22:27
  the
• 22:27
  price
• 22:28
  way
• 22:28
  up.
• 22:29
  So
• 22:29
  I
• 22:29
  wanted
• 22:29
  to
• 22:29
  keep
• 22:30
  it.
• 22:30
  I
• 22:30
  wanted
• 22:31
  to
• 22:31
  keep
• 22:31
  it
• 22:31
  under
• 22:31
  $10
• 22:32
  US
• 22:33
  right,
• 22:33
  paperback.
• 22:34
  When
• 22:34
  it
• 22:35
  came
• 22:35
  to
• 22:35
  publishing
• 22:36
  your
• 22:36
  children's
• 22:37
  book,
• 22:37
  what
• 22:37
  do
• 22:37
  you
• 22:38
  think?
• 22:38
  What
• 22:38
  was
• 22:38
  your
• 22:38
  biggest
• 22:39
  challenge
• 22:40
  or
• 22:40
  obstacle
• 22:41
  or
• 22:41
  frustration?
• 22:43
  Frustration
• 22:44
  was
• 22:44
  getting
• 22:45
  the
• 22:45
  Kindle
• 22:45
  direct,
• 22:46
  okay,
• 22:47
  getting
• 22:47
  the
• 22:47
  COVID
• 22:47
  to
• 22:48
  fit
• 22:48
  on
• 22:48
  the
• 22:48
  template
• 22:49
  okay.
• 22:50
  But
• 22:50
  not
• 22:51
  really
• 22:51
  frustration.
• 22:52
  But
• 22:53
  the
• 22:53
  thing
• 22:53
  that
• 22:54
  I
• 22:55
  had
• 22:55
  to
• 22:55
  make
• 22:55
  myself
• 22:56
  do
• 22:56
  is
• 22:57
  to
• 22:57
  say
• 22:57
  no
• 22:58
  more
• 22:58
  edit,
• 22:59
  no
• 22:59
  more
• 22:59
  tweaks,
• 23:01
  press,
• 23:01
  publish.
• 23:01
  Don't
• 23:02
  wait
• 23:02
  till
• 23:02
  tomorrow,
• 23:03
  don't
• 23:03
  do
• 23:04
  it
• 23:04
  tomorrow,
• 23:04
  because
• 23:04
  tomorrow
• 23:05
  you'll
• 23:05
  have
• 23:05
  another
• 23:05
  read
• 23:06
  and
• 23:06
  you'll
• 23:07
  end
• 23:07
  a
• 23:07
  comma
• 23:07
  somewhere.
• 23:08
  The
• 23:08
  beautiful
• 23:09
  thing
• 23:09
  about
• 23:09
  being
• 23:09
  an
• 23:09
  independent
• 23:10
  children's
• 23:11
  book
• 23:11
  author,
• 23:12
  or
• 23:12
  even
• 23:12
  a
• 23:13
  self
• 23:13
  published
• 23:14
  hybrid
• 23:14
  children's
• 23:15
  book
• 23:15
  author
• 23:16
  is
• 23:16
  that
• 23:17
  you
• 23:18
  can
• 23:18
  go
• 23:19
  in
• 23:19
  and
• 23:19
  make
• 23:20
  changes.
• 23:20
  My
• 23:21
  mantra
• 23:21
  has
• 23:21
  changed
• 23:22
  over
• 23:22
  the
• 23:22
  last
• 23:23
  few
• 23:23
  years.
• 23:24
  My
• 23:24
  mantra
• 23:25
  now
• 23:25
  is
• 23:25
  done
• 23:26
  is
• 23:26
  better
• 23:27
  than
• 23:27
  perfect.
• 23:28
  So
• 23:29
  important
• 23:29
  to
• 23:29
  understand
• 23:30
  that.
• 23:30
  Just
• 23:31
  get
• 23:31
  your
• 23:31
  book
• 23:32
  done.
• 23:32
  To
• 23:33
  Steve's
• 23:33
  point,
• 23:34
  you
• 23:34
  gotta
• 23:35
  hit
• 23:35
  print.
• 23:36
  And
• 23:36
  then
• 23:36
  if
• 23:36
  you
• 23:37
  need
• 23:37
  to
• 23:37
  make
• 23:37
  changes,
• 23:38
  you
• 23:39
  can
• 23:39
  make
• 23:39
  those
• 23:39
  changes.
• 23:40
  Because
• 23:40
  it's
• 23:40
  not
• 23:41
  like
• 23:41
  you're
• 23:41
  printing
• 23:43
  10,000
• 23:43
  or
• 23:44
  20,000
• 23:44
  copies
• 23:45
  a
• 23:45
  lot
• 23:45
  of
• 23:46
  times
• 23:46
  it's
• 23:46
  just
• 23:46
  print
• 23:46
  on
• 23:47
  demand.
• 23:48
  And
• 23:48
  if
• 23:48
  you're
• 23:48
  selling
• 23:49
  through
• 23:49
  Amazon,
• 23:50
  you
• 23:50
  just
• 23:50
  have
• 23:51
  to
• 23:51
  update
• 23:51
  your
• 23:51
  files.
• 23:52
  And
• 23:53
  you're
• 23:53
  right,
• 23:54
  because
• 23:54
  if
• 23:54
  you
• 23:54
  make
• 23:54
  it
• 23:55
  perfect,
• 23:55
  you're
• 23:55
  never
• 23:56
  Going
• 23:56
  to
• 23:56
  publish
• 23:56
  it.
• 23:56
  It'll
• 23:57
  never
• 23:57
  be
• 23:57
  perfect.
• 23:58
  I'm
• 23:58
  also
• 23:59
  curious
• 23:59
  about
• 24:00
  the
• 24:00
  illustrations
• 24:01
  in
• 24:02
  your
• 24:02
  book.
• 24:02
  I
• 24:02
  know
• 24:02
  it's
• 24:03
  not
• 24:04
  a
• 24:04
  traditional
• 24:05
  children's
• 24:05
  picture
• 24:06
  book,
• 24:06
  but
• 24:06
  you've
• 24:06
  got
• 24:07
  some
• 24:07
  great
• 24:07
  illustrations
• 24:08
  in
• 24:08
  the
• 24:09
  book.
• 24:09
  So
• 24:10
  talk
• 24:10
  to
• 24:10
  us
• 24:10
  about.
• 24:11
  Did
• 24:11
  you
• 24:11
  hire
• 24:12
  an
• 24:12
  illustrator?
• 24:13
  And
• 24:13
  if
• 24:13
  you
• 24:13
  did,
• 24:14
  who
• 24:14
  was
• 24:15
  that
• 24:15
  illustrator
• 24:15
  and
• 24:16
  how
• 24:16
  did
• 24:16
  you
• 24:16
  to
• 24:17
  come
• 24:17
  upon
• 24:17
  them?
• 24:18
  I'll
• 24:19
  talk
• 24:19
  about
• 24:19
  the
• 24:19
  illustration
• 24:20
  developed
• 24:20
  initially.
• 24:21
  There
• 24:21
  was
• 24:21
  a
• 24:21
  good
• 24:21
  friend
• 24:22
  of
• 24:22
  mine,
• 24:22
  again
• 24:22
  the
• 24:22
  author,
• 24:23
  who
• 24:23
  helped
• 24:23
  him
• 24:23
  on
• 24:24
  his
• 24:24
  book
• 24:24
  Mirror
• 24:25
  M
• 24:25
  I
• 24:25
  Double
• 24:25
  R
• 24:25
  A.
• 24:26
  He
• 24:28
  really
• 24:28
  had
• 24:28
  a
• 24:28
  strong
• 24:29
  opinion
• 24:29
  about
• 24:30
  making
• 24:30
  the
• 24:31
  illustrations
• 24:32
  to
• 24:32
  be
• 24:32
  colored
• 24:32
  in
• 24:33
  by
• 24:33
  the
• 24:33
  children.
• 24:34
  He
• 24:34
  wanted
• 24:35
  it
• 24:35
  to
• 24:35
  be
• 24:35
  like
• 24:35
  a
• 24:35
  coloring
• 24:36
  book
• 24:36
  side
• 24:36
  of
• 24:37
  it,
• 24:37
  because
• 24:37
  I'd.
• 24:37
  Also.
• 24:37
  Because
• 24:38
  I'd
• 24:38
  expressed
• 24:38
  the
• 24:38
  interest
• 24:39
  in
• 24:39
  making
• 24:40
  it
• 24:40
  as
• 24:40
  interactive
• 24:40
  as
• 24:41
  possible,
• 24:41
  I
• 24:42
  had
• 24:42
  to
• 24:42
  wear
• 24:42
  that
• 24:42
  up
• 24:42
  for
• 24:43
  quite
• 24:43
  a
• 24:43
  long
• 24:43
  time
• 24:43
  and
• 24:44
  decided
• 24:44
  to
• 24:44
  now
• 24:45
  go
• 24:45
  with
• 24:45
  the
• 24:45
  illustration
• 24:46
  to
• 24:46
  be
• 24:47
  more
• 24:47
  impactful
• 24:48
  and
• 24:48
  I
• 24:48
  think
• 24:48
  it
• 24:49
  would
• 24:49
  really
• 24:49
  sink
• 24:49
  the
• 24:50
  messages
• 24:50
  in.
• 24:51
  And
• 24:52
  the
• 24:52
  illustrations
• 24:53
  are
• 24:53
  AI?
• 24:55
  Oh,
• 24:56
  yeah,
• 24:57
  the
• 24:57
  illustrations
• 24:58
  are
• 24:58
  AI.
• 24:59
  But
• 25:00
  not
• 25:00
  easy.
• 25:01
  The
• 25:02
  amount
• 25:02
  of
• 25:02
  tweaks
• 25:03
  and
• 25:03
  the
• 25:03
  prompts
• 25:03
  and
• 25:04
  stuff
• 25:04
  that
• 25:05
  you
• 25:05
  have
• 25:05
  to
• 25:05
  do
• 25:06
  and
• 25:06
  to
• 25:06
  find
• 25:07
  that
• 25:07
  style
• 25:09
  and
• 25:09
  try
• 25:10
  to
• 25:10
  be
• 25:11
  consistent.
• 25:11
  Because
• 25:12
  that's
• 25:12
  one
• 25:12
  thing
• 25:12
  I
• 25:12
  noticed
• 25:13
  is
• 25:13
  all
• 25:13
  of
• 25:14
  the
• 25:15
  illustrations
• 25:16
  were
• 25:16
  consistent.
• 25:18
  Yes.
• 25:18
  And
• 25:19
  that
• 25:19
  takes
• 25:19
  a
• 25:19
  little
• 25:20
  bit
• 25:20
  of
• 25:20
  developing
• 25:21
  because
• 25:22
  you
• 25:22
  have
• 25:22
  to
• 25:22
  keep
• 25:23
  feeding
• 25:23
  in
• 25:24
  like
• 25:24
  a
• 25:24
  master
• 25:25
  image.
• 25:26
  So
• 25:26
  I've
• 25:26
  got
• 25:26
  a
• 25:27
  master
• 25:27
  image
• 25:27
  of
• 25:28
  Mum,
• 25:29
  Leo
• 25:30
  and
• 25:30
  all
• 25:30
  the
• 25:30
  children
• 25:31
  and
• 25:31
  that's
• 25:31
  what
• 25:31
  actually
• 25:32
  developed.
• 25:32
  One
• 25:32
  of
• 25:33
  the
• 25:33
  very
• 25:33
  first
• 25:33
  pictures
• 25:33
  I
• 25:34
  had
• 25:35
  was
• 25:35
  near
• 25:36
  the
• 25:36
  book.
• 25:36
  It's
• 25:36
  like
• 25:36
  a
• 25:36
  family
• 25:37
  portrait
• 25:37
  picture
• 25:38
  of
• 25:39
  all
• 25:39
  the
• 25:39
  characters
• 25:39
  in
• 25:40
  the
• 25:40
  book
• 25:40
  altogether.
• 25:41
  And
• 25:41
  that's
• 25:42
  really
• 25:42
  an
• 25:42
  amalgamation
• 25:43
  of
• 25:43
  all
• 25:44
  the
• 25:45
  master
• 25:46
  images
• 25:46
  that
• 25:47
  I
• 25:47
  used
• 25:48
  for
• 25:48
  it.
• 25:49
  And,
• 25:50
  yeah,
• 25:50
  it
• 25:50
  took
• 25:51
  a
• 25:51
  long
• 25:52
  time
• 25:53
  to
• 25:53
  try
• 25:53
  and
• 25:53
  get
• 25:53
  it
• 25:54
  just
• 25:54
  where
• 25:54
  I
• 25:55
  wanted
• 25:55
  it.
• 25:56
  But,
• 25:56
  yeah,
• 25:57
  they
• 25:57
  were
• 25:57
  all
• 25:58
  AI.
• 25:58
  Just
• 25:59
  so
• 25:59
  you
• 25:59
  know,
• 25:59
  you've
• 25:59
  got
• 26:00
  a
• 26:00
  lot
• 26:00
  of
• 26:00
  great
• 26:00
  illustrators
• 26:01
  in
• 26:01
  your
• 26:02
  country.
• 26:03
  Yes.
• 26:03
  Yeah.
• 26:04
  Because
• 26:04
  our
• 26:04
  illustrator,
• 26:05
  Simon
• 26:06
  Goodway,
• 26:06
  who
• 26:06
  did
• 26:07
  both
• 26:07
  of
• 26:07
  our
• 26:07
  books,
• 26:08
  is
• 26:08
  from
• 26:08
  the
• 26:09
  uk.
• 26:10
  Oh,
• 26:10
  fantastic.
• 26:11
  Yeah.
• 26:11
  You
• 26:11
  have
• 26:11
  to
• 26:11
  send
• 26:12
  me
• 26:12
  the
• 26:12
  details.
• 26:13
  Yeah.
• 26:13
  And
• 26:14
  he's
• 26:14
  such
• 26:14
  a
• 26:14
  great
• 26:15
  guy
• 26:15
  and
• 26:16
  actually
• 26:17
  he's.
• 26:17
  He's
• 26:18
  never
• 26:18
  been
• 26:18
  to
• 26:18
  the
• 26:18
  Rocky
• 26:19
  Mountains,
• 26:19
  but.
• 26:20
  Because
• 26:20
  all
• 26:20
  of
• 26:20
  our
• 26:20
  stories
• 26:21
  take
• 26:21
  place
• 26:21
  in
• 26:21
  the
• 26:22
  Rocky
• 26:22
  Mountains.
• 26:23
  But
• 26:23
  I
• 26:23
  just
• 26:23
  sent
• 26:24
  him
• 26:24
  pictures
• 26:24
  of
• 26:24
  what
• 26:25
  we
• 26:25
  were
• 26:25
  trying
• 26:25
  to
• 26:25
  convey
• 26:26
  and
• 26:27
  he
• 26:27
  did
• 26:27
  a
• 26:28
  phenomenal
• 26:28
  job.
• 26:29
  I
• 26:29
  also
• 26:29
  want
• 26:29
  to
• 26:30
  talk
• 26:30
  to
• 26:30
  you
• 26:30
  a
• 26:30
  bit
• 26:31
  about.
• 26:31
  We
• 26:32
  talked
• 26:32
  about
• 26:32
  your
• 26:33
  website
• 26:33
  and
• 26:33
  how
• 26:34
  you're
• 26:34
  developing
• 26:35
  that
• 26:35
  and
• 26:35
  how
• 26:35
  you're
• 26:35
  going
• 26:35
  to
• 26:36
  build
• 26:36
  in
• 26:36
  a
• 26:37
  link
• 26:37
  to
• 26:37
  Brave
• 26:38
  At
• 26:38
  Home.
• 26:38
  But
• 26:39
  I'm
• 26:39
  also
• 26:39
  curious
• 26:40
  about
• 26:41
  how
• 26:42
  are
• 26:42
  you
• 26:42
  going
• 26:42
  to
• 26:43
  start
• 26:43
  building
• 26:44
  out
• 26:44
  your
• 26:44
  social
• 26:45
  media
• 26:46
  around
• 26:47
  Brave
• 26:47
  At
• 26:47
  Home
• 26:47
  also.
• 26:49
  It's
• 26:49
  a
• 26:49
  hard
• 26:50
  one,
• 26:50
  really,
• 26:50
  because
• 26:51
  it
• 26:51
  was
• 26:51
  a
• 26:51
  question
• 26:52
  of
• 26:52
  do
• 26:52
  I
• 26:52
  start
• 26:53
  from
• 26:53
  scratch
• 26:53
  with
• 26:54
  the
• 26:54
  Brave
• 26:54
  At
• 26:55
  Home
• 26:56
  profiles.
• 26:57
  I
• 26:57
  felt
• 26:58
  I
• 26:58
  have
• 26:58
  enough
• 26:58
  profiles
• 26:59
  as
• 26:59
  it
• 26:59
  is.
• 27:00
  I'm
• 27:00
  my
• 27:00
  own
• 27:01
  Bradshaw.
• 27:02
  Side
• 27:03
  of
• 27:03
  me
• 27:04
  is
• 27:04
  called
• 27:05
  Noah
• 27:05
  Bird.
• 27:06
  N
• 27:07
  O
• 27:07
  A
• 27:07
  H
• 27:07
  B
• 27:08
  U
• 27:08
  R
• 27:08
  D
• 27:09
  and
• 27:09
  then
• 27:10
  I
• 27:10
  have
• 27:10
  the
• 27:10
  TV
• 27:10
  Cops
• 27:11
  profile
• 27:12
  as
• 27:12
  well.
• 27:12
  And
• 27:13
  I
• 27:13
  was
• 27:14
  really
• 27:16
  torn
• 27:16
  about
• 27:17
  setting
• 27:17
  up
• 27:17
  a
• 27:18
  Brave
• 27:18
  at
• 27:19
  Home
• 27:19
  or.
• 27:20
  Because
• 27:20
  I
• 27:20
  could
• 27:20
  see
• 27:21
  it
• 27:21
  being
• 27:21
  more
• 27:21
  than
• 27:22
  just
• 27:22
  the
• 27:22
  one
• 27:22
  book,
• 27:23
  see
• 27:23
  it
• 27:23
  being
• 27:24
  a
• 27:24
  series
• 27:24
  of
• 27:25
  books,
• 27:26
  different
• 27:26
  themes,
• 27:28
  but
• 27:28
  with
• 27:29
  some
• 27:29
  consistency
• 27:30
  through
• 27:30
  it.
• 27:31
  And
• 27:31
  I
• 27:31
  thought,
• 27:31
  what
• 27:32
  do
• 27:32
  I
• 27:32
  do
• 27:32
  then?
• 27:32
  Do
• 27:32
  I
• 27:33
  set
• 27:33
  up
• 27:33
  another
• 27:34
  profile
• 27:35
  with
• 27:35
  another
• 27:35
  book?
• 27:36
  So
• 27:36
  I
• 27:36
  made
• 27:37
  a
• 27:37
  decision
• 27:37
  to
• 27:37
  keep
• 27:38
  under
• 27:38
  the
• 27:38
  heading
• 27:39
  of
• 27:39
  TV
• 27:39
  Cops.
• 27:39
  I
• 27:40
  know
• 27:40
  it
• 27:40
  doesn't
• 27:40
  really
• 27:41
  reflect
• 27:41
  it.
• 27:42
  By
• 27:43
  keeping
• 27:43
  it
• 27:43
  under
• 27:43
  the
• 27:43
  TV
• 27:44
  Cops
• 27:44
  banner,
• 27:44
  it
• 27:45
  adds
• 27:45
  that
• 27:45
  emergency
• 27:46
  service
• 27:47
  credibility.
• 27:48
  Yes.
• 27:49
  Because
• 27:49
  if
• 27:49
  anyone's
• 27:50
  pointing
• 27:50
  towards
• 27:51
  Brave
• 27:52
  at
• 27:52
  Home
• 27:53
  now,
• 27:53
  if
• 27:53
  it
• 27:54
  was
• 27:54
  me
• 27:54
  and
• 27:54
  I
• 27:55
  didn't
• 27:55
  know
• 27:56
  the
• 27:56
  author,
• 27:57
  first
• 27:57
  question
• 27:57
  I
• 27:58
  would
• 27:58
  ask
• 27:58
  is,
• 27:58
  what's
• 27:59
  this
• 27:59
  person's
• 27:59
  credibility
• 28:00
  in
• 28:00
  being
• 28:00
  able
• 28:00
  to
• 28:01
  tell
• 28:01
  you
• 28:01
  what
• 28:01
  it's
• 28:01
  like
• 28:02
  to
• 28:02
  work
• 28:02
  or
• 28:03
  have
• 28:03
  family
• 28:04
  who
• 28:05
  worry
• 28:05
  about
• 28:05
  you
• 28:05
  when
• 28:06
  you
• 28:06
  go
• 28:06
  out,
• 28:06
  work
• 28:07
  in
• 28:07
  emergency
• 28:07
  services?
• 28:08
  So
• 28:08
  you
• 28:09
  will
• 28:09
  get
• 28:09
  that
• 28:09
  credibility
• 28:10
  straight
• 28:10
  away
• 28:10
  by
• 28:10
  looking
• 28:11
  at
• 28:11
  the
• 28:11
  website
• 28:12
  as
• 28:12
  it
• 28:12
  details
• 28:12
  my
• 28:13
  history,
• 28:13
  et
• 28:13
  cetera.
• 28:14
  So
• 28:14
  I
• 28:14
  wanted
• 28:15
  it
• 28:15
  to
• 28:15
  be.
• 28:16
  Although,
• 28:17
  like
• 28:17
  you
• 28:17
  said
• 28:17
  before,
• 28:18
  you
• 28:18
  wouldn't
• 28:18
  naturally
• 28:18
  think
• 28:20
  an
• 28:20
  armed
• 28:21
  officer
• 28:22
  would
• 28:22
  then
• 28:22
  move
• 28:22
  on
• 28:23
  to
• 28:23
  children's
• 28:23
  books,
• 28:24
  but
• 28:24
  I
• 28:24
  wanted
• 28:26
  the
• 28:26
  whole
• 28:27
  experience
• 28:28
  and
• 28:28
  the
• 28:28
  whole
• 28:29
  credibility
• 28:29
  of
• 28:30
  TV
• 28:30
  Cops
• 28:31
  to
• 28:31
  support.
• 28:32
  It's
• 28:32
  interesting
• 28:33
  you
• 28:33
  should
• 28:33
  say
• 28:33
  that,
• 28:33
  Steve,
• 28:34
  because
• 28:34
  I've
• 28:34
  had
• 28:35
  such
• 28:35
  a
• 28:35
  diverse
• 28:37
  amount
• 28:37
  of
• 28:37
  children's
• 28:38
  book
• 28:38
  authors
• 28:38
  on
• 28:39
  our
• 28:39
  show,
• 28:40
  and
• 28:40
  I'm
• 28:41
  talking.
• 28:41
  If
• 28:42
  you.
• 28:42
  If
• 28:42
  I
• 28:42
  think
• 28:43
  you're
• 28:43
  the
• 28:43
  75th
• 28:44
  Children's
• 28:44
  Book
• 28:45
  Authority
• 28:45
  that
• 28:45
  I've
• 28:46
  interviewed.
• 28:46
  But
• 28:46
  the
• 28:47
  backgrounds.
• 28:48
  There's
• 28:48
  a
• 28:48
  lot
• 28:48
  of
• 28:48
  people
• 28:49
  that
• 28:49
  come
• 28:49
  on
• 28:49
  the
• 28:50
  show
• 28:50
  that
• 28:50
  have
• 28:51
  come
• 28:51
  from
• 28:52
  children's
• 28:53
  teaching
• 28:53
  backgrounds,
• 28:54
  but
• 28:55
  I've
• 28:55
  had
• 28:56
  a
• 28:56
  mother,
• 28:57
  Cody
• 28:57
  Bogart,
• 28:57
  on
• 28:58
  episode
• 28:58
  35,
• 28:59
  who
• 28:59
  was
• 28:59
  also
• 29:00
  a
• 29:00
  helicopter
• 29:01
  pilot.
• 29:02
  And.
• 29:03
  Yeah.
• 29:03
  And
• 29:03
  she's
• 29:04
  written
• 29:04
  a
• 29:04
  series
• 29:05
  of
• 29:05
  books
• 29:05
  called.
• 29:06
  It's
• 29:06
  called
• 29:06
  Hilo
• 29:07
  Girls,
• 29:08
  and
• 29:09
  it
• 29:09
  shows
• 29:11
  women
• 29:11
  who
• 29:12
  are
• 29:12
  helicopter
• 29:12
  pilots,
• 29:13
  pilots
• 29:13
  in
• 29:14
  so
• 29:14
  many
• 29:14
  diverse
• 29:15
  roles
• 29:16
  as
• 29:16
  a
• 29:16
  helicopter
• 29:17
  pilot.
• 29:17
  So
• 29:18
  whether
• 29:18
  it's
• 29:18
  in
• 29:19
  combat,
• 29:19
  whether
• 29:20
  it's
• 29:20
  medical,
• 29:21
  whether
• 29:21
  it's
• 29:21
  agricultural,
• 29:23
  it's
• 29:23
  quite
• 29:23
  diverse.
• 29:24
  And
• 29:24
  so
• 29:25
  to
• 29:25
  your
• 29:26
  point,
• 29:26
  is
• 29:27
  you
• 29:27
  capturing
• 29:28
  the
• 29:28
  brave
• 29:28
  at
• 29:28
  home
• 29:29
  and
• 29:29
  keeping
• 29:29
  that
• 29:29
  banner
• 29:30
  within.
• 29:31
  You're
• 29:31
  building
• 29:31
  a
• 29:32
  brand
• 29:32
  and
• 29:32
  keeping
• 29:33
  it
• 29:33
  within
• 29:33
  your.
• 29:34
  The
• 29:35
  role
• 29:35
  of
• 29:35
  what
• 29:35
  you're
• 29:36
  doing.
• 29:37
  Yeah.
• 29:37
  Fits
• 29:38
  within
• 29:38
  the
• 29:38
  wheelhouse,
• 29:39
  I
• 29:39
  think,
• 29:39
  of
• 29:39
  TV
• 29:40
  Cops,
• 29:40
  but
• 29:41
  it's
• 29:41
  not
• 29:41
  something
• 29:42
  you
• 29:42
  would
• 29:42
  naturally
• 29:43
  think
• 29:43
  would
• 29:43
  be
• 29:44
  a
• 29:44
  development
• 29:44
  from
• 29:45
  Tabs.
• 29:46
  And
• 29:46
  I
• 29:47
  Think
• 29:47
  where
• 29:47
  I
• 29:47
  want
• 29:47
  to
• 29:48
  go
• 29:48
  with
• 29:48
  it
• 29:48
  with
• 29:48
  the
• 29:49
  support
• 29:49
  services
• 29:50
  and
• 29:50
  the
• 29:50
  welfare
• 29:51
  organizations.
• 29:52
  I
• 29:53
  think
• 29:53
  it
• 29:53
  supports
• 29:54
  them
• 29:55
  with
• 29:55
  the.
• 29:55
  Background
• 29:56
  in
• 29:56
  terms
• 29:56
  of
• 29:57
  motivation.
• 29:58
  I
• 29:58
  know
• 29:58
  you
• 29:59
  talked
• 29:59
  a
• 29:59
  bit
• 29:59
  about
• 29:59
  your
• 30:00
  mother
• 30:00
  and
• 30:00
  it's
• 30:01
  phenomenal
• 30:01
  that
• 30:02
  she's
• 30:02
  written
• 30:02
  her
• 30:02
  first
• 30:03
  book
• 30:03
  at
• 30:03
  81.
• 30:04
  I
• 30:04
  just
• 30:05
  had
• 30:05
  Anne
• 30:05
  Gorsch,
• 30:06
  episode
• 30:06
  66.
• 30:08
  She's
• 30:08
  93
• 30:10
  or
• 30:10
  94,
• 30:11
  and
• 30:12
  she
• 30:12
  had
• 30:12
  written
• 30:13
  her
• 30:13
  first
• 30:13
  children's
• 30:14
  book.
• 30:14
  You
• 30:14
  know
• 30:14
  what,
• 30:15
  it's
• 30:16
  just
• 30:16
  incredible.
• 30:17
  And
• 30:17
  she
• 30:17
  came
• 30:17
  from
• 30:18
  a
• 30:18
  children's
• 30:19
  entertainment
• 30:20
  background
• 30:20
  on
• 30:20
  television
• 30:22
  and
• 30:23
  just
• 30:23
  later
• 30:23
  in
• 30:24
  years
• 30:24
  decided,
• 30:25
  you
• 30:25
  know
• 30:25
  what,
• 30:25
  she'd
• 30:26
  been
• 30:26
  around
• 30:26
  children
• 30:26
  for
• 30:27
  so
• 30:27
  long
• 30:27
  that
• 30:27
  she
• 30:28
  wanted
• 30:28
  to
• 30:28
  write
• 30:28
  a
• 30:29
  children's
• 30:29
  book.
• 30:29
  Pretty
• 30:30
  incredible.
• 30:30
  To
• 30:31
  that
• 30:31
  point.
• 30:31
  I've
• 30:31
  got
• 30:32
  a
• 30:32
  good
• 30:32
  friend
• 30:32
  called
• 30:32
  Sarah
• 30:33
  Carville,
• 30:33
  who
• 30:34
  is
• 30:35
  the
• 30:35
  creator
• 30:36
  and
• 30:36
  writer
• 30:36
  of
• 30:37
  a
• 30:37
  UK
• 30:38
  show
• 30:38
  called
• 30:39
  the
• 30:39
  Bay.
• 30:39
  It
• 30:40
  does
• 30:40
  come
• 30:40
  over
• 30:40
  to
• 30:41
  the
• 30:41
  U.S.
• 30:41
  i
• 30:42
  think
• 30:42
  on
• 30:42
  Brit
• 30:42
  Box.
• 30:43
  Okay.
• 30:44
  And
• 30:44
  he
• 30:45
  always
• 30:46
  says,
• 30:47
  just
• 30:47
  get
• 30:48
  it
• 30:48
  out,
• 30:48
  get
• 30:49
  it
• 30:49
  down.
• 30:50
  Draft
• 30:50
  number
• 30:50
  one.
• 30:51
  It
• 30:51
  might
• 30:52
  not
• 30:52
  be
• 30:52
  pretty,
• 30:53
  it
• 30:53
  might
• 30:53
  not
• 30:53
  be
• 30:53
  good.
• 30:54
  Get
• 30:55
  it
• 30:55
  on
• 30:55
  paper,
• 30:56
  get
• 30:56
  it
• 30:57
  out
• 30:57
  there.
• 30:57
  That's
• 30:58
  what
• 30:58
  starts
• 30:58
  people
• 30:58
  from
• 30:59
  being.
• 30:59
  I
• 30:59
  think
• 31:00
  I've
• 31:00
  got
• 31:00
  a
• 31:00
  book
• 31:00
  in
• 31:00
  me
• 31:00
  too.
• 31:02
  Just
• 31:02
  write
• 31:02
  it.
• 31:03
  I
• 31:03
  was
• 31:04
  thinking
• 31:04
  about
• 31:05
  your
• 31:05
  mom,
• 31:05
  but
• 31:05
  I'm
• 31:06
  curious,
• 31:07
  is
• 31:07
  there
• 31:08
  a
• 31:08
  specific
• 31:09
  person
• 31:10
  or
• 31:10
  event
• 31:11
  that
• 31:11
  finally.
• 31:12
  And
• 31:13
  maybe
• 31:13
  this
• 31:13
  is
• 31:13
  the
• 31:14
  person
• 31:14
  you
• 31:14
  just
• 31:14
  mentioned
• 31:15
  that
• 31:15
  finally
• 31:15
  said,
• 31:16
  you
• 31:16
  know
• 31:16
  what,
• 31:16
  Steve,
• 31:16
  come
• 31:17
  on,
• 31:17
  you
• 31:17
  got
• 31:18
  this
• 31:18
  great
• 31:19
  children's
• 31:19
  book
• 31:20
  idea.
• 31:20
  You
• 31:21
  got
• 31:21
  to
• 31:21
  get
• 31:21
  at
• 31:21
  it.
• 31:22
  Tell
• 31:22
  us
• 31:22
  about
• 31:22
  that.
• 31:23
  No,
• 31:24
  because
• 31:24
  A
• 31:24
  funny
• 31:25
  story,
• 31:25
  I,
• 31:27
  although
• 31:27
  I'd
• 31:27
  had
• 31:27
  some
• 31:28
  conversations
• 31:28
  with
• 31:29
  ex
• 31:29
  colleagues
• 31:30
  about
• 31:31
  their
• 31:31
  children
• 31:32
  were
• 31:32
  feeling
• 31:32
  and
• 31:33
  any
• 31:33
  issues
• 31:33
  that
• 31:33
  they
• 31:34
  had,
• 31:35
  I
• 31:35
  was
• 31:35
  quite
• 31:37
  reserved
• 31:38
  in
• 31:39
  saying
• 31:39
  what
• 31:39
  I
• 31:39
  was
• 31:39
  going
• 31:39
  to
• 31:40
  do
• 31:41
  quite
• 31:41
  a
• 31:41
  long
• 31:41
  time
• 31:42
  because
• 31:43
  I'd
• 31:44
  have
• 31:44
  to
• 31:44
  do
• 31:44
  it
• 31:44
  then,
• 31:44
  wouldn't
• 31:45
  I?
• 31:45
  I
• 31:46
  told
• 31:46
  everybody
• 31:46
  what
• 31:46
  I
• 31:46
  was
• 31:47
  going
• 31:47
  to
• 31:47
  do.
• 31:47
  I'd
• 31:47
  have
• 31:47
  to.
• 31:47
  I'd
• 31:48
  have
• 31:48
  to
• 31:48
  do
• 31:48
  it.
• 31:48
  And
• 31:48
  I
• 31:48
  wanted
• 31:48
  to
• 31:49
  be
• 31:49
  absolutely
• 31:49
  sure.
• 31:50
  I
• 31:50
  had
• 31:50
  a
• 31:50
  book,
• 31:51
  had
• 31:52
  something
• 31:52
  I'd
• 31:52
  be
• 31:52
  happy
• 31:53
  with.
• 31:53
  I
• 31:53
  the
• 31:53
  content
• 31:54
  and
• 31:54
  I'd
• 31:55
  be
• 31:55
  able
• 31:55
  to
• 31:55
  write
• 31:55
  it.
• 31:56
  So
• 31:57
  although,
• 31:59
  yes,
• 31:59
  there
• 32:00
  are
• 32:00
  some
• 32:00
  very
• 32:00
  key
• 32:01
  people
• 32:02
  who
• 32:02
  have
• 32:03
  given
• 32:03
  me
• 32:03
  the
• 32:03
  inspiration
• 32:04
  to
• 32:04
  just
• 32:05
  do
• 32:05
  it.
• 32:05
  One
• 32:06
  of
• 32:06
  them
• 32:06
  being
• 32:06
  the
• 32:07
  gentleman
• 32:07
  I
• 32:07
  mentioned,
• 32:07
  Derek
• 32:08
  Carville,
• 32:09
  who,
• 32:10
  although
• 32:10
  I
• 32:10
  never
• 32:11
  told
• 32:11
  him
• 32:11
  what
• 32:12
  I
• 32:12
  was
• 32:12
  thinking
• 32:12
  of
• 32:13
  doing,
• 32:13
  listening
• 32:14
  to
• 32:14
  him
• 32:14
  speak,
• 32:15
  listening
• 32:15
  to
• 32:16
  him
• 32:16
  give
• 32:16
  lectures,
• 32:18
  it
• 32:18
  was
• 32:18
  the
• 32:18
  kick
• 32:19
  up
• 32:19
  the
• 32:20
  rear
• 32:21
  that
• 32:21
  I
• 32:22
  needed
• 32:22
  without
• 32:22
  him
• 32:23
  knowing
• 32:23
  that
• 32:23
  he
• 32:23
  was
• 32:23
  kicking
• 32:24
  me
• 32:24
  up
• 32:24
  the
• 32:24
  rear.
• 32:25
  And
• 32:25
  a
• 32:26
  funny
• 32:26
  story,
• 32:26
  my.
• 32:27
  My
• 32:28
  partner,
• 32:28
  Janet.
• 32:29
  No,
• 32:30
  I
• 32:30
  was
• 32:30
  writing
• 32:31
  this
• 32:31
  book
• 32:32
  until
• 32:32
  I
• 32:33
  was
• 32:33
  on
• 32:33
  draft
• 32:34
  5
• 32:34
  or
• 32:34
  6
• 32:35
  when
• 32:35
  I
• 32:35
  asked
• 32:35
  her
• 32:36
  to
• 32:36
  read
• 32:36
  it.
• 32:36
  Wow.
• 32:37
  And
• 32:38
  she
• 32:38
  had
• 32:38
  absolutely
• 32:39
  no
• 32:39
  idea
• 32:40
  that
• 32:40
  I'd
• 32:40
  been
• 32:41
  writing
• 32:41
  it
• 32:41
  because
• 32:41
  I
• 32:43
  seemed.
• 32:43
  Were
• 32:44
  you
• 32:44
  hiding
• 32:44
  in
• 32:44
  the
• 32:44
  closet
• 32:45
  or
• 32:45
  what
• 32:45
  were
• 32:45
  you.
• 32:45
  Where
• 32:46
  were
• 32:46
  you
• 32:46
  writing
• 32:46
  it?
• 32:46
  Did
• 32:47
  you
• 32:47
  go
• 32:47
  to
• 32:48
  the
• 32:48
  local
• 32:48
  coffee
• 32:49
  shop
• 32:49
  or
• 32:49
  what?
• 32:50
  No,
• 32:50
  not
• 32:51
  quite.
• 32:51
  Because
• 32:52
  Janet's.
• 32:52
  I'm
• 32:53
  a
• 32:53
  bit
• 32:53
  of
• 32:53
  a
• 32:53
  night
• 32:53
  owl
• 32:53
  and
• 32:54
  Janet
• 32:54
  goes
• 32:54
  to
• 32:54
  bed
• 32:54
  quite
• 32:55
  early,
• 32:55
  so
• 32:55
  I
• 32:56
  always
• 32:56
  had
• 32:56
  two
• 32:56
  or
• 32:56
  three
• 32:56
  hours
• 32:57
  in
• 32:57
  the
• 32:57
  evening,
• 32:58
  I
• 32:58
  think,
• 32:59
  you
• 32:59
  know,
• 32:59
  just
• 32:59
  developing
• 33:00
  and
• 33:00
  just
• 33:00
  writing
• 33:00
  and
• 33:01
  just
• 33:01
  thinking
• 33:01
  about
• 33:01
  a
• 33:01
  few
• 33:02
  ideas.
• 33:02
  When
• 33:03
  I
• 33:03
  asked
• 33:03
  her
• 33:03
  to
• 33:03
  read
• 33:03
  the
• 33:03
  book,
• 33:04
  she
• 33:04
  was
• 33:04
  a
• 33:05
  little
• 33:05
  bit
• 33:05
  taken
• 33:05
  aback.
• 33:06
  I
• 33:07
  told
• 33:07
  nobody.
• 33:08
  Good
• 33:09
  for
• 33:09
  you.
• 33:09
  Tell
• 33:09
  us
• 33:09
  about
• 33:11
  the
• 33:11
  character
• 33:12
  development,
• 33:12
  because
• 33:13
  we've
• 33:13
  been
• 33:13
  talking
• 33:13
  about
• 33:14
  your
• 33:14
  main
• 33:15
  character,
• 33:15
  Leo.
• 33:16
  Also,
• 33:17
  I
• 33:17
  want
• 33:17
  to
• 33:18
  talk
• 33:18
  more
• 33:18
  about
• 33:19
  your
• 33:19
  fox
• 33:20
  Bramley,
• 33:21
  and
• 33:21
  a
• 33:22
  little
• 33:22
  bit
• 33:22
  about
• 33:23
  the
• 33:23
  mom
• 33:24
  in
• 33:24
  the
• 33:24
  story
• 33:25
  and
• 33:25
  the
• 33:25
  nan
• 33:26
  in
• 33:26
  the
• 33:26
  story.
• 33:26
  Start
• 33:27
  with
• 33:27
  Leo
• 33:27
  first.
• 33:29
  Okay,
• 33:29
  Leo.
• 33:29
  First
• 33:30
  of
• 33:30
  all,
• 33:30
  I
• 33:30
  needed
• 33:30
  to
• 33:31
  pin
• 33:31
  an
• 33:31
  age
• 33:32
  to
• 33:32
  him,
• 33:33
  and
• 33:33
  I
• 33:33
  wanted
• 33:34
  it
• 33:34
  to
• 33:34
  reflect
• 33:34
  the
• 33:34
  readers
• 33:35
  between
• 33:36
  6
• 33:36
  and
• 33:36
  10
• 33:36
  years
• 33:36
  of
• 33:37
  age.
• 33:38
  I
• 33:38
  think
• 33:38
  Leo
• 33:39
  sits
• 33:39
  somewhere
• 33:39
  around
• 33:40
  8,
• 33:40
  9,
• 33:41
  10
• 33:41
  years
• 33:41
  of
• 33:42
  age.
• 33:43
  But
• 33:43
  I
• 33:43
  wanted
• 33:43
  it
• 33:44
  to
• 33:44
  be,
• 33:45
  if
• 33:45
  you're
• 33:45
  a
• 33:46
  child
• 33:46
  between
• 33:46
  6,
• 33:47
  10,
• 33:48
  you
• 33:48
  are
• 33:48
  the
• 33:48
  same
• 33:48
  age
• 33:49
  as
• 33:49
  Leo.
• 33:49
  I
• 33:49
  want
• 33:49
  you
• 33:50
  to
• 33:50
  think
• 33:50
  you're
• 33:51
  the
• 33:51
  same
• 33:51
  age
• 33:51
  as
• 33:51
  Leo.
• 33:52
  And
• 33:53
  the
• 33:53
  name
• 33:53
  Leo.
• 33:54
  This
• 33:55
  is
• 33:55
  a
• 33:55
  really
• 33:56
  odd
• 33:56
  story.
• 33:56
  I
• 33:56
  was
• 33:56
  thinking
• 33:57
  about
• 33:57
  what
• 33:57
  now,
• 33:57
  I
• 33:58
  wanted
• 33:58
  an
• 33:58
  easy
• 33:58
  name.
• 33:59
  I
• 33:59
  wanted
• 33:59
  a
• 34:00
  short
• 34:00
  name.
• 34:01
  And
• 34:01
  I'm
• 34:02
  a
• 34:02
  massive
• 34:03
  fan
• 34:03
  of
• 34:03
  the
• 34:03
  West
• 34:04
  Wing.
• 34:05
  Okay.
• 34:06
  For
• 34:06
  no
• 34:06
  reason
• 34:07
  whatsoever,
• 34:08
  I
• 34:08
  just
• 34:08
  like
• 34:09
  John
• 34:09
  Spencer's
• 34:10
  character,
• 34:10
  Leo
• 34:11
  McGarry.
• 34:12
  So
• 34:12
  I
• 34:12
  just
• 34:12
  named
• 34:12
  him
• 34:13
  Leo
• 34:13
  because
• 34:15
  great
• 34:15
  father
• 34:15
  of
• 34:15
  the
• 34:16
  West
• 34:16
  Wing.
• 34:16
  And
• 34:16
  it
• 34:17
  just
• 34:17
  kind
• 34:17
  of
• 34:17
  really
• 34:18
  just
• 34:18
  fit.
• 34:18
  It
• 34:19
  fit
• 34:19
  his
• 34:20
  story
• 34:21
  because
• 34:21
  it
• 34:21
  was
• 34:21
  a
• 34:22
  short
• 34:22
  name.
• 34:22
  It's
• 34:23
  not
• 34:23
  a
• 34:23
  very
• 34:23
  common
• 34:24
  name
• 34:24
  here
• 34:24
  in
• 34:24
  the
• 34:25
  uk,
• 34:25
  but
• 34:25
  it's
• 34:25
  not
• 34:25
  an
• 34:26
  uncommon
• 34:27
  name.
• 34:27
  Right.
• 34:28
  What
• 34:28
  I
• 34:28
  mean.
• 34:28
  And
• 34:29
  it's
• 34:29
  a
• 34:29
  strong
• 34:29
  name.
• 34:30
  When
• 34:30
  I
• 34:30
  first
• 34:31
  read
• 34:31
  Leo.
• 34:32
  Now,
• 34:32
  again,
• 34:33
  I'm
• 34:33
  just
• 34:33
  thinking
• 34:33
  of
• 34:34
  my
• 34:34
  own
• 34:34
  experience,
• 34:34
  but
• 34:35
  I
• 34:35
  thought
• 34:35
  of
• 34:35
  Leo
• 34:36
  the
• 34:36
  Lion,
• 34:37
  and
• 34:37
  I
• 34:37
  guess
• 34:38
  maybe
• 34:38
  that's
• 34:38
  why
• 34:39
  I
• 34:39
  think
• 34:39
  it's
• 34:39
  such
• 34:39
  a
• 34:40
  strong
• 34:40
  name.
• 34:40
  Yeah.
• 34:41
  You're
• 34:41
  not
• 34:41
  the
• 34:42
  first
• 34:42
  person
• 34:42
  to
• 34:43
  ask
• 34:43
  me
• 34:43
  if
• 34:44
  it
• 34:44
  has
• 34:44
  any
• 34:44
  reference
• 34:45
  to
• 34:45
  Leo
• 34:45
  the
• 34:45
  Lion
• 34:46
  and
• 34:46
  the
• 34:46
  courage.
• 34:46
  The
• 34:47
  aspect
• 34:47
  of
• 34:48
  that.
• 34:48
  But
• 34:48
  no.
• 34:49
  Okay,
• 34:50
  I'll
• 34:50
  quite
• 34:50
  happily
• 34:51
  let
• 34:51
  you
• 34:51
  take
• 34:51
  that.
• 34:52
  But
• 34:52
  you
• 34:52
  know
• 34:52
  what?
• 34:52
  At
• 34:53
  least
• 34:53
  you
• 34:53
  get
• 34:53
  the
• 34:53
  benefit
• 34:54
  of
• 34:54
  that.
• 34:55
  And
• 34:55
  to.
• 34:55
  For
• 34:56
  listeners,
• 34:56
  especially
• 34:57
  aspiring
• 34:58
  children's
• 34:58
  book
• 34:58
  authors,
• 34:59
  is
• 35:00
  sometimes
• 35:00
  it's
• 35:01
  as
• 35:01
  simple
• 35:02
  as
• 35:02
  what's
• 35:02
  Steve's
• 35:03
  talking
• 35:03
  about?
• 35:04
  He
• 35:04
  just
• 35:04
  liked
• 35:04
  the
• 35:05
  name.
• 35:05
  And
• 35:05
  sometimes
• 35:06
  it's.
• 35:07
  I'm
• 35:07
  interpreting
• 35:08
  it.
• 35:08
  It's
• 35:09
  like
• 35:09
  Leo
• 35:09
  the
• 35:09
  Lion.
• 35:10
  So
• 35:10
  it's
• 35:10
  a
• 35:10
  strong
• 35:11
  name
• 35:11
  and
• 35:12
  has
• 35:12
  a
• 35:12
  lot
• 35:12
  of
• 35:13
  positive
• 35:14
  attributes
• 35:14
  behind
• 35:15
  the
• 35:15
  name.
• 35:15
  You
• 35:15
  can
• 35:15
  think
• 35:16
  about
• 35:16
  it
• 35:16
  in
• 35:17
  both
• 35:17
  ways.
• 35:18
  It
• 35:18
  doesn't
• 35:18
  have
• 35:18
  to
• 35:18
  be
• 35:19
  just
• 35:19
  one
• 35:19
  way.
• 35:20
  Exactly.
• 35:21
  Exactly.
• 35:22
  So
• 35:23
  Leo,
• 35:24
  very
• 35:25
  quickly.
• 35:25
  And
• 35:25
  originally
• 35:26
  I
• 35:26
  had
• 35:26
  Leo's
• 35:28
  teddy,
• 35:28
  if
• 35:28
  you
• 35:28
  will.
• 35:29
  Is
• 35:29
  that
• 35:29
  what
• 35:29
  you
• 35:30
  call
• 35:30
  them?
• 35:30
  Teddy's
• 35:30
  in
• 35:30
  America?
• 35:31
  Yeah,
• 35:31
  you
• 35:31
  bet.
• 35:32
  Bramley.
• 35:33
  I
• 35:34
  originally
• 35:34
  had
• 35:34
  him
• 35:34
  very
• 35:35
  early
• 35:35
  on.
• 35:36
  Chapter
• 35:37
  one,
• 35:37
  chapter
• 35:38
  two,
• 35:39
  but
• 35:39
  it
• 35:40
  was
• 35:40
  too
• 35:40
  much
• 35:40
  all
• 35:40
  at
• 35:41
  once.
• 35:41
  I
• 35:41
  wanted
• 35:41
  it
• 35:42
  to
• 35:42
  develop
• 35:42
  a
• 35:42
  little
• 35:43
  bit
• 35:43
  and
• 35:43
  I
• 35:43
  wanted
• 35:44
  him
• 35:45
  to
• 35:45
  really
• 35:45
  come
• 35:46
  into
• 35:47
  play
• 35:48
  later
• 35:49
  on
• 35:49
  when
• 35:49
  he
• 35:49
  was.
• 35:50
  When
• 35:51
  the
• 35:51
  girl
• 35:52
  loses
• 35:52
  her
• 35:53
  bunny.
• 35:53
  Again,
• 35:54
  Bramley's
• 35:55
  name.
• 35:55
  I
• 35:55
  was
• 35:55
  thinking
• 35:56
  of
• 35:56
  a
• 35:56
  name
• 35:56
  for
• 35:57
  him
• 35:57
  and
• 35:57
  I
• 35:57
  was
• 35:57
  thinking.
• 35:57
  Wanted
• 35:58
  to
• 35:58
  be
• 35:58
  really
• 35:58
  recognizable.
• 35:59
  Really.
• 36:00
  That
• 36:00
  was
• 36:00
  it.
• 36:01
  And
• 36:01
  it
• 36:01
  just
• 36:02
  came
• 36:02
  from
• 36:02
  the
• 36:02
  apples
• 36:05
  and
• 36:05
  that
• 36:06
  was
• 36:06
  it.
• 36:06
  And
• 36:06
  it
• 36:06
  was
• 36:07
  just
• 36:07
  something
• 36:07
  I'd
• 36:07
  heard
• 36:07
  somebody
• 36:08
  say
• 36:09
  and
• 36:10
  I
• 36:10
  was
• 36:10
  thinking
• 36:11
  Bramley.
• 36:11
  That
• 36:12
  sounds
• 36:12
  nice.
• 36:12
  Yeah.
• 36:13
  First,
• 36:13
  a
• 36:14
  friend
• 36:14
  of
• 36:14
  mine
• 36:14
  named
• 36:14
  her
• 36:15
  daughter
• 36:15
  Bromley.
• 36:17
  But
• 36:18
  Bramley,
• 36:18
  like
• 36:18
  you
• 36:19
  said,
• 36:19
  you
• 36:19
  don't
• 36:19
  hear
• 36:20
  very
• 36:20
  often.
• 36:20
  But
• 36:21
  again,
• 36:21
  it's
• 36:21
  a
• 36:22
  fun,
• 36:23
  you
• 36:23
  know,
• 36:23
  know
• 36:23
  you
• 36:23
  got
• 36:23
  a
• 36:24
  fun
• 36:24
  character,
• 36:25
  has
• 36:25
  a
• 36:25
  fun
• 36:25
  name.
• 36:26
  Even
• 36:26
  though
• 36:26
  we're
• 36:27
  recording
• 36:27
  this
• 36:27
  in
• 36:28
  video,
• 36:28
  I
• 36:29
  only
• 36:29
  sent
• 36:29
  it
• 36:30
  out
• 36:30
  in
• 36:30
  audio.
• 36:30
  But
• 36:31
  Steve's
• 36:32
  got
• 36:32
  such
• 36:33
  a
• 36:33
  cute
• 36:34
  fox
• 36:35
  as
• 36:35
  a
• 36:35
  character
• 36:36
  and
• 36:37
  Leo's
• 36:37
  plushie
• 36:38
  and
• 36:39
  it's
• 36:39
  just
• 36:39
  fantastic.
• 36:40
  So
• 36:40
  the
• 36:41
  name
• 36:41
  fits
• 36:41
  the
• 36:41
  fox.
• 36:43
  It
• 36:43
  doesn't.
• 36:43
  It.
• 36:44
  It
• 36:44
  does.
• 36:44
  But
• 36:45
  once
• 36:45
  I
• 36:45
  allowed
• 36:45
  it
• 36:46
  to
• 36:46
  ferment
• 36:46
  a
• 36:46
  little
• 36:47
  bit
• 36:47
  in
• 36:47
  my
• 36:47
  brain,
• 36:47
  I
• 36:47
  thought
• 36:48
  that's
• 36:48
  it,
• 36:48
  that's
• 36:49
  his
• 36:49
  name.
• 36:49
  And
• 36:50
  the
• 36:50
  other
• 36:50
  thing
• 36:50
  about
• 36:50
  Bramley,
• 36:51
  I
• 36:52
  didn't
• 36:52
  want
• 36:52
  him
• 36:52
  to
• 36:52
  be
• 36:54
  like
• 36:54
  a
• 36:54
  tall,
• 36:55
  a
• 36:55
  Toy
• 36:55
  Story
• 36:56
  character.
• 36:56
  I
• 36:56
  didn't
• 36:56
  want
• 36:56
  him
• 36:56
  to
• 36:57
  come
• 36:57
  alive
• 36:58
  when
• 37:00
  there
• 37:00
  was
• 37:00
  just
• 37:01
  him
• 37:01
  and
• 37:01
  Leo.
• 37:02
  But
• 37:02
  I
• 37:02
  wanted
• 37:03
  the
• 37:03
  bid
• 37:03
  to
• 37:03
  be
• 37:04
  some
• 37:04
  kind
• 37:04
  of.
• 37:06
  Leo
• 37:08
  knows
• 37:08
  he
• 37:08
  has
• 37:09
  a
• 37:09
  personality
• 37:09
  like
• 37:10
  everybody
• 37:10
  does
• 37:10
  with
• 37:10
  the
• 37:11
  Teddy,
• 37:11
  I
• 37:11
  suppose.
• 37:12
  Absolutely
• 37:13
  are.
• 37:13
  Like
• 37:14
  I
• 37:14
  said,
• 37:14
  our
• 37:14
  Caboose
• 37:15
  has
• 37:16
  lots
• 37:16
  of
• 37:16
  personality.
• 37:17
  And
• 37:18
  so
• 37:19
  for
• 37:19
  sure.
• 37:20
  Yeah.
• 37:21
  And
• 37:21
  I
• 37:21
  wanted
• 37:22
  it
• 37:22
  to
• 37:22
  be.
• 37:23
  I
• 37:23
  wanted
• 37:23
  Bramley
• 37:24
  to
• 37:24
  be
• 37:25
  his
• 37:25
  extension
• 37:26
  of
• 37:26
  his
• 37:26
  bravery.
• 37:27
  So
• 37:28
  when
• 37:28
  you
• 37:28
  see
• 37:29
  Bramley
• 37:29
  turn
• 37:29
  into
• 37:30
  Super
• 37:30
  Bramley,
• 37:32
  that's
• 37:32
  when
• 37:33
  Leo
• 37:34
  is
• 37:35
  really
• 37:36
  manifesting
• 37:37
  his
• 37:37
  desired
• 37:38
  action,
• 37:39
  when
• 37:39
  he's
• 37:39
  feeling.
• 37:40
  Fearing
• 37:40
  his
• 37:40
  most
• 37:41
  vulnerable.
• 37:42
  But
• 37:42
  I
• 37:42
  wanted
• 37:43
  adults
• 37:43
  to
• 37:43
  pick
• 37:43
  up
• 37:43
  on
• 37:43
  that.
• 37:44
  We
• 37:44
  don't
• 37:44
  necessarily
• 37:45
  say
• 37:45
  that
• 37:46
  in
• 37:46
  the
• 37:46
  book,
• 37:47
  but
• 37:47
  yes,
• 37:48
  when
• 37:48
  you
• 37:48
  see
• 37:48
  Super
• 37:49
  Bramley,
• 37:49
  it's
• 37:49
  because
• 37:50
  Leo
• 37:51
  needs
• 37:51
  Bramley
• 37:51
  to
• 37:52
  be
• 37:52
  brave
• 37:52
  for
• 37:52
  him.
• 37:52
  When
• 37:53
  we
• 37:53
  develop
• 37:53
  Caboose,
• 37:55
  Caboose
• 37:55
  is
• 37:56
  actually
• 37:56
  a
• 37:57
  female,
• 37:57
  not
• 37:57
  a
• 37:58
  male.
• 37:58
  And
• 37:59
  Caboose
• 38:00
  is
• 38:00
  spelled
• 38:00
  with
• 38:00
  a
• 38:01
  K,
• 38:01
  not
• 38:02
  a
• 38:02
  C.
• 38:03
  And
• 38:03
  that's
• 38:03
  because
• 38:04
  my
• 38:04
  oldest
• 38:05
  granddaughter
• 38:05
  is
• 38:06
  a
• 38:06
  co
• 38:06
  author
• 38:06
  of
• 38:07
  our
• 38:07
  first
• 38:07
  book
• 38:07
  and
• 38:08
  a
• 38:08
  co
• 38:08
  author
• 38:08
  of.
• 38:09
  Of
• 38:09
  our
• 38:09
  second
• 38:09
  book.
• 38:10
  And
• 38:10
  her
• 38:10
  name
• 38:11
  is
• 38:11
  Kira,
• 38:12
  which
• 38:12
  starts
• 38:12
  with
• 38:12
  a
• 38:13
  K.
• 38:14
  So
• 38:14
  Caboose
• 38:15
  and
• 38:15
  Kira.
• 38:16
  Caboose
• 38:16
  has
• 38:17
  taken
• 38:17
  on
• 38:17
  Kira's
• 38:19
  attributes
• 38:19
  and.
• 38:20
  Personality
• 38:21
  and
• 38:22
  they'll
• 38:22
  always
• 38:22
  be
• 38:22
  that
• 38:23
  association
• 38:23
  now.
• 38:24
  Absolutely.
• 38:25
  There's
• 38:25
  no.
• 38:25
  No
• 38:26
  question.
• 38:26
  No
• 38:26
  question.
• 38:27
  The
• 38:27
  thing
• 38:27
  I
• 38:27
  loved
• 38:28
  about
• 38:28
  your
• 38:28
  book,
• 38:28
  because
• 38:29
  it
• 38:29
  has
• 38:29
  those
• 38:30
  19
• 38:30
  chapters,
• 38:32
  is
• 38:33
  there's
• 38:34
  an
• 38:34
  interconnection
• 38:35
  of
• 38:35
  all
• 38:35
  your
• 38:35
  stories.
• 38:37
  But
• 38:37
  they
• 38:37
  could
• 38:37
  be
• 38:37
  standalone
• 38:39
  books.
• 38:40
  You
• 38:41
  could
• 38:41
  have
• 38:41
  taken
• 38:41
  each
• 38:42
  chapter
• 38:43
  and
• 38:43
  created
• 38:43
  a
• 38:44
  children's
• 38:44
  picture
• 38:45
  book
• 38:45
  from
• 38:45
  each
• 38:46
  chapter.
• 38:47
  If
• 38:47
  you
• 38:47
  can
• 38:47
  talk
• 38:47
  to
• 38:48
  us
• 38:48
  about
• 38:48
  how
• 38:48
  you
• 38:49
  tie
• 38:49
  that
• 38:49
  all
• 38:49
  together
• 38:51
  into
• 38:51
  this
• 38:51
  one
• 38:51
  book.
• 38:52
  The
• 38:53
  theme,
• 38:54
  the
• 38:54
  overarching
• 38:55
  theme
• 38:55
  is
• 38:55
  Leo's
• 38:56
  journey,
• 38:57
  if
• 38:57
  you
• 38:57
  will,
• 38:57
  from
• 38:58
  hearing
• 38:58
  those
• 38:58
  sirens
• 38:59
  in
• 39:00
  chapter
• 39:00
  one
• 39:01
  to.
• 39:03
  With
• 39:03
  some
• 39:03
  gentle
• 39:04
  encouragement
• 39:05
  from
• 39:05
  school,
• 39:06
  from
• 39:06
  Nam,
• 39:07
  from
• 39:07
  Mum,
• 39:08
  from
• 39:08
  his
• 39:08
  friends,
• 39:10
  even
• 39:10
  his
• 39:10
  silly
• 39:11
  friends,
• 39:11
  he
• 39:12
  gets
• 39:12
  to
• 39:12
  the
• 39:12
  point
• 39:13
  where
• 39:14
  he's
• 39:14
  better
• 39:15
  informed,
• 39:16
  really.
• 39:17
  If
• 39:17
  you
• 39:17
  see
• 39:17
  the
• 39:17
  journey
• 39:18
  from
• 39:18
  chapter
• 39:18
  one,
• 39:19
  Leo
• 39:19
  doesn't
• 39:20
  really
• 39:20
  have
• 39:21
  any
• 39:22
  information
• 39:22
  or
• 39:22
  any
• 39:23
  reasonable
• 39:24
  cognitive
• 39:25
  understanding
• 39:27
  of
• 39:27
  what
• 39:27
  his
• 39:28
  mum
• 39:28
  does.
• 39:29
  So
• 39:29
  he
• 39:29
  just
• 39:30
  fills
• 39:30
  that
• 39:30
  vacuum
• 39:31
  with
• 39:31
  worry.
• 39:31
  He
• 39:31
  doesn't
• 39:31
  really
• 39:32
  know
• 39:32
  what
• 39:32
  blue
• 39:32
  light,
• 39:33
  a
• 39:33
  blue
• 39:33
  light
• 39:34
  run
• 39:34
  is
• 39:34
  that
• 39:35
  we
• 39:35
  call.
• 39:36
  He
• 39:36
  just
• 39:36
  hears
• 39:37
  it
• 39:37
  and
• 39:37
  thinks,
• 39:37
  oh,
• 39:37
  someone's
• 39:38
  in
• 39:38
  danger.
• 39:39
  And
• 39:39
  from
• 39:39
  speaking
• 39:40
  to
• 39:40
  his
• 39:40
  mum.
• 39:41
  And
• 39:41
  things
• 39:41
  go
• 39:42
  on
• 39:42
  in
• 39:42
  the
• 39:42
  background,
• 39:43
  like,
• 39:43
  obviously,
• 39:44
  Mum's
• 39:44
  had
• 39:44
  a
• 39:44
  word
• 39:44
  with
• 39:45
  Nan,
• 39:45
  Mum's
• 39:46
  had
• 39:46
  a
• 39:46
  word
• 39:46
  with
• 39:47
  the
• 39:47
  teacher.
• 39:48
  We
• 39:48
  get
• 39:49
  these
• 39:49
  different
• 39:49
  ways
• 39:50
  of
• 39:50
  him
• 39:50
  dealing
• 39:51
  with
• 39:51
  it.
• 39:51
  One
• 39:51
  is
• 39:52
  acknowledging
• 39:53
  his
• 39:54
  worries
• 39:55
  and
• 39:55
  that's
• 39:55
  very
• 39:56
  early
• 39:56
  doors
• 39:56
  when
• 39:57
  we
• 39:57
  look
• 39:57
  at
• 39:57
  the
• 39:58
  worry
• 39:58
  jar
• 39:59
  and
• 39:59
  his
• 39:59
  ability
• 40:00
  to
• 40:00
  articulate
• 40:01
  it
• 40:01
  and
• 40:02
  Mum
• 40:03
  saying
• 40:03
  to
• 40:04
  him
• 40:05
  or
• 40:05
  suggesting
• 40:06
  to
• 40:06
  him
• 40:06
  he
• 40:07
  should
• 40:07
  be
• 40:07
  able
• 40:07
  to
• 40:08
  draw
• 40:09
  what
• 40:09
  he's
• 40:09
  thinking
• 40:10
  about
• 40:10
  or
• 40:10
  write
• 40:11
  what
• 40:11
  he's
• 40:11
  thinking
• 40:12
  about.
• 40:12
  So
• 40:13
  he
• 40:13
  does
• 40:13
  that
• 40:13
  naturally
• 40:14
  and
• 40:14
  he
• 40:15
  develops
• 40:15
  that
• 40:15
  skill
• 40:16
  right
• 40:17
  the
• 40:17
  way
• 40:17
  through.
• 40:17
  So
• 40:18
  it
• 40:18
  shows
• 40:18
  how
• 40:19
  he
• 40:19
  is
• 40:20
  understanding
• 40:21
  his
• 40:21
  fear.
• 40:22
  Yes,
• 40:23
  probably
• 40:23
  in
• 40:24
  a
• 40:24
  child
• 40:24
  way.
• 40:24
  I'm
• 40:25
  articulating
• 40:25
  this
• 40:26
  really,
• 40:26
  from
• 40:26
  an
• 40:26
  adult
• 40:27
  perspective,
• 40:27
  from
• 40:28
  a
• 40:28
  child
• 40:28
  way
• 40:29
  he's
• 40:29
  acknowledging
• 40:30
  and
• 40:30
  articulating.
• 40:31
  He's
• 40:31
  then
• 40:31
  speaking
• 40:32
  to
• 40:32
  people
• 40:32
  about
• 40:32
  it,
• 40:33
  then
• 40:33
  he's
• 40:34
  wanting
• 40:34
  to
• 40:34
  find
• 40:34
  out
• 40:34
  more
• 40:35
  about
• 40:35
  what
• 40:35
  Mum
• 40:36
  does
• 40:36
  because
• 40:37
  he
• 40:37
  just
• 40:37
  drops
• 40:37
  in
• 40:37
  odd
• 40:38
  questions
• 40:38
  to
• 40:38
  Mum
• 40:38
  about
• 40:39
  what
• 40:39
  do
• 40:39
  you
• 40:39
  do?
• 40:39
  And
• 40:40
  do
• 40:40
  the
• 40:40
  sirens
• 40:41
  mean
• 40:41
  that
• 40:41
  you're
• 40:41
  Someone's
• 40:42
  in
• 40:42
  danger?
• 40:43
  And
• 40:43
  Mum
• 40:44
  says,
• 40:44
  no,
• 40:44
  it
• 40:44
  means
• 40:44
  that
• 40:44
  we're
• 40:45
  going
• 40:45
  to
• 40:45
  help
• 40:45
  Yvonne.
• 40:46
  What
• 40:46
  those
• 40:46
  blue
• 40:47
  lights
• 40:47
  mean
• 40:47
  and
• 40:47
  therefore
• 40:48
  what
• 40:48
  Mum
• 40:48
  does.
• 40:49
  And
• 40:50
  that
• 40:50
  even
• 40:50
  to
• 40:50
  the
• 40:50
  point
• 40:50
  of
• 40:51
  Mum's
• 40:52
  not
• 40:52
  always
• 40:52
  driving
• 40:53
  the
• 40:53
  car
• 40:54
  with
• 40:54
  the
• 40:54
  blue
• 40:54
  lights
• 40:54
  on,
• 40:54
  she
• 40:55
  does
• 40:55
  other
• 40:55
  things
• 40:55
  as
• 40:56
  well.
• 40:56
  And
• 40:56
  it
• 40:56
  culminates
• 40:58
  nearly
• 40:58
  towards
• 40:59
  the
• 40:59
  end,
• 40:59
  the
• 40:59
  last
• 40:59
  few
• 41:00
  chapters,
• 41:00
  where
• 41:00
  she
• 41:00
  actually
• 41:01
  goes,
• 41:02
  mom,
• 41:02
  realizing
• 41:03
  all
• 41:03
  this,
• 41:05
  takes
• 41:05
  Leo
• 41:06
  to
• 41:06
  the
• 41:06
  police
• 41:07
  station.
• 41:07
  So
• 41:08
  he
• 41:08
  gets
• 41:08
  to
• 41:08
  see
• 41:09
  going
• 41:10
  on
• 41:10
  what
• 41:10
  people
• 41:10
  are
• 41:11
  doing.
• 41:11
  And
• 41:11
  then
• 41:11
  he
• 41:11
  meets
• 41:12
  the
• 41:12
  police
• 41:12
  dogs
• 41:13
  and
• 41:13
  he
• 41:13
  is.
• 41:13
  And
• 41:14
  he
• 41:14
  looks
• 41:14
  around
• 41:14
  the
• 41:15
  station
• 41:15
  and
• 41:15
  he's.
• 41:16
  And
• 41:16
  he
• 41:16
  just.
• 41:17
  It's
• 41:17
  not
• 41:17
  a
• 41:17
  magical
• 41:18
  world
• 41:18
  anymore,
• 41:18
  a
• 41:19
  magical
• 41:19
  unknown
• 41:19
  world.
• 41:20
  It's
• 41:21
  just
• 41:21
  like
• 41:21
  any
• 41:21
  other
• 41:22
  world.
• 41:23
  There's
• 41:23
  cold
• 41:23
  cups
• 41:24
  of
• 41:24
  coffee
• 41:24
  on
• 41:24
  the
• 41:24
  table,
• 41:25
  half
• 41:25
  eaten
• 41:26
  cake.
• 41:27
  Just
• 41:27
  he
• 41:28
  puts
• 41:28
  it
• 41:28
  into
• 41:28
  perspective.
• 41:29
  And
• 41:29
  then
• 41:30
  by
• 41:30
  developing
• 41:31
  those
• 41:32
  feelings
• 41:32
  with
• 41:32
  his
• 41:32
  mother,
• 41:33
  he's
• 41:34
  able
• 41:34
  to,
• 41:34
  I
• 41:34
  won't
• 41:34
  say
• 41:35
  completely
• 41:36
  get
• 41:37
  over
• 41:37
  them
• 41:37
  because
• 41:37
  it's
• 41:38
  not
• 41:38
  something
• 41:38
  to
• 41:38
  get
• 41:38
  over.
• 41:39
  But
• 41:39
  he's
• 41:39
  in
• 41:39
  a
• 41:39
  better
• 41:40
  position
• 41:40
  where
• 41:40
  he
• 41:41
  can.
• 41:41
  And
• 41:41
  that's
• 41:41
  where
• 41:42
  the
• 41:42
  final
• 41:42
  chapter,
• 41:43
  being
• 41:43
  brave
• 41:44
  at
• 41:44
  home,
• 41:45
  is
• 41:45
  in
• 41:45
  a
• 41:46
  more
• 41:46
  contented
• 41:46
  state.
• 41:46
  And
• 41:47
  it
• 41:47
  just.
• 41:47
  He
• 41:48
  sat
• 41:48
  on
• 41:48
  the
• 41:48
  sofa
• 41:49
  with
• 41:49
  his
• 41:49
  mom
• 41:49
  and
• 41:49
  nobody
• 41:50
  saying
• 41:50
  anything
• 41:51
  because
• 41:51
  he's
• 41:52
  content.
• 41:52
  And
• 41:53
  that's
• 41:53
  the
• 41:53
  journey
• 41:53
  where
• 41:53
  we
• 41:54
  wanted
• 41:54
  to
• 41:54
  take
• 41:54
  Leah.
• 41:55
  And
• 41:55
  I
• 41:55
  love
• 41:56
  how
• 41:56
  you,
• 41:56
  like
• 41:57
  you
• 41:57
  said
• 41:57
  at
• 41:57
  the
• 41:57
  back
• 41:58
  of
• 41:58
  the
• 41:58
  book,
• 41:58
  you've
• 41:59
  created
• 41:59
  some,
• 42:00
  I
• 42:00
  don't
• 42:00
  want
• 42:00
  to
• 42:01
  call
• 42:01
  it
• 42:01
  a
• 42:01
  lesson
• 42:01
  plan,
• 42:02
  but
• 42:02
  some
• 42:03
  central
• 42:03
  teaching.
• 42:04
  So
• 42:04
  just
• 42:04
  talk
• 42:05
  to
• 42:05
  us
• 42:05
  a
• 42:05
  little
• 42:05
  bit
• 42:06
  about
• 42:06
  that.
• 42:06
  And
• 42:07
  why
• 42:07
  did
• 42:07
  you
• 42:07
  think
• 42:07
  it
• 42:08
  was
• 42:08
  important
• 42:08
  to
• 42:09
  do
• 42:09
  that
• 42:09
  at
• 42:09
  the
• 42:09
  end
• 42:09
  of
• 42:10
  your
• 42:10
  book?
• 42:11
  When
• 42:11
  I
• 42:12
  was
• 42:12
  storyboarding
• 42:13
  the
• 42:14
  book,
• 42:14
  when
• 42:15
  I
• 42:15
  was
• 42:15
  thinking
• 42:16
  about
• 42:16
  its
• 42:17
  arc
• 42:17
  and
• 42:17
  the
• 42:17
  structure
• 42:18
  and
• 42:18
  the
• 42:18
  points,
• 42:18
  I
• 42:18
  wanted
• 42:19
  to
• 42:19
  get
• 42:19
  into
• 42:19
  it.
• 42:20
  It
• 42:20
  originally
• 42:21
  was
• 42:21
  like
• 42:21
  30
• 42:21
  chapters
• 42:23
  and
• 42:23
  I
• 42:23
  got
• 42:23
  it
• 42:23
  down
• 42:24
  to
• 42:25
  where
• 42:25
  it
• 42:25
  is
• 42:26
  today
• 42:27
  just
• 42:27
  by
• 42:27
  focusing
• 42:28
  in
• 42:28
  on
• 42:28
  that
• 42:29
  I
• 42:29
  wanted
• 42:29
  to
• 42:29
  deliver
• 42:30
  okay.
• 42:31
  And
• 42:31
  I
• 42:31
  ended
• 42:31
  up
• 42:31
  making
• 42:32
  a
• 42:32
  note
• 42:32
  just
• 42:32
  like
• 42:33
  those
• 42:33
  Bramley
• 42:33
  tips
• 42:34
  back.
• 42:35
  I
• 42:35
  ended
• 42:36
  up
• 42:36
  making
• 42:36
  a
• 42:36
  list
• 42:37
  because
• 42:37
  they
• 42:37
  were
• 42:38
  the
• 42:38
  points
• 42:38
  we
• 42:38
  wanted
• 42:38
  to
• 42:39
  hear.
• 42:39
  And
• 42:39
  then
• 42:39
  I
• 42:39
  thought
• 42:39
  to
• 42:40
  myself,
• 42:40
  I
• 42:40
  kept
• 42:40
  referring
• 42:41
  back
• 42:41
  to
• 42:41
  them
• 42:41
  as
• 42:42
  we
• 42:42
  were
• 42:42
  going
• 42:42
  through
• 42:42
  the
• 42:42
  book.
• 42:43
  I
• 42:43
  kept
• 42:44
  referencing
• 42:44
  the
• 42:45
  list
• 42:45
  that
• 42:45
  I'd
• 42:45
  made.
• 42:46
  So
• 42:46
  I'm
• 42:46
  thinking
• 42:47
  to
• 42:47
  myself,
• 42:48
  if
• 42:48
  this
• 42:48
  is
• 42:48
  a
• 42:48
  small
• 42:49
  child
• 42:49
  who's
• 42:49
  reading
• 42:50
  this
• 42:50
  book
• 42:51
  and
• 42:51
  they
• 42:52
  get
• 42:52
  to
• 42:52
  the
• 42:52
  end,
• 42:53
  okay,
• 42:53
  I
• 42:53
  just
• 42:54
  need
• 42:54
  them,
• 42:54
  if
• 42:54
  you
• 42:55
  will.
• 42:55
  I
• 42:55
  want
• 42:55
  the
• 42:56
  messages.
• 42:56
  I
• 42:56
  want
• 42:57
  to.
• 42:58
  Yeah,
• 42:58
  I
• 42:58
  remember
• 42:59
  that
• 42:59
  Bramley
• 42:59
  did
• 42:59
  that.
• 43:00
  I
• 43:00
  remember
• 43:00
  what
• 43:00
  he
• 43:01
  did
• 43:01
  then.
• 43:01
  So
• 43:02
  they
• 43:02
  just
• 43:02
  got
• 43:02
  a
• 43:02
  reference
• 43:03
  of
• 43:04
  really
• 43:04
  details
• 43:05
  the
• 43:05
  journey
• 43:06
  that
• 43:07
  Leo's
• 43:07
  been
• 43:07
  on
• 43:08
  and
• 43:09
  the
• 43:09
  understanding
• 43:10
  that
• 43:10
  Leo
• 43:11
  has.
• 43:12
  It's
• 43:12
  all
• 43:12
  about
• 43:14
  expressing
• 43:14
  yourself.
• 43:15
  Don't
• 43:16
  not
• 43:16
  being
• 43:17
  frightened
• 43:17
  to
• 43:17
  express
• 43:18
  yourself.
• 43:19
  Talk
• 43:19
  to
• 43:19
  your
• 43:20
  friends,
• 43:20
  talk
• 43:21
  to
• 43:21
  your
• 43:21
  family.
• 43:22
  And
• 43:22
  also
• 43:24
  you
• 43:24
  are
• 43:24
  going
• 43:24
  to
• 43:25
  be
• 43:25
  scared.
• 43:26
  You
• 43:26
  are
• 43:26
  going
• 43:26
  to
• 43:26
  be
• 43:27
  scared
• 43:27
  about
• 43:27
  your
• 43:27
  parent
• 43:28
  going
• 43:28
  off
• 43:28
  to
• 43:28
  be
• 43:29
  a
• 43:29
  firefighter
• 43:29
  or
• 43:29
  police
• 43:30
  officer
• 43:30
  or
• 43:30
  whatever,
• 43:31
  but
• 43:32
  doesn't
• 43:32
  mean
• 43:32
  that
• 43:32
  you
• 43:33
  don't
• 43:33
  love
• 43:33
  them
• 43:34
  and
• 43:35
  they
• 43:35
  don't
• 43:35
  love
• 43:35
  you
• 43:36
  doing
• 43:36
  something
• 43:37
  else.
• 43:38
  So
• 43:39
  you
• 43:39
  might
• 43:40
  worry,
• 43:40
  you
• 43:40
  might
• 43:41
  be
• 43:41
  sat
• 43:41
  at
• 43:41
  home
• 43:41
  still
• 43:42
  worrying.
• 43:42
  But
• 43:43
  it's
• 43:43
  okay
• 43:44
  to
• 43:44
  also
• 43:45
  be
• 43:45
  a
• 43:45
  child,
• 43:46
  do
• 43:46
  the
• 43:47
  other
• 43:47
  things
• 43:47
  that
• 43:47
  you're
• 43:48
  allowed
• 43:48
  to
• 43:48
  do.
• 43:48
  You
• 43:49
  can
• 43:49
  laugh,
• 43:49
  smile,
• 43:50
  read,
• 43:51
  play,
• 43:52
  whatever
• 43:52
  you
• 43:53
  need
• 43:53
  to
• 43:53
  do
• 43:53
  whilst
• 43:54
  missing
• 43:54
  mum
• 43:55
  or
• 43:55
  dad
• 43:55
  or
• 43:56
  Nan
• 43:56
  or
• 43:56
  uncle,
• 43:57
  whoever
• 43:58
  it
• 43:58
  May
• 43:58
  be
• 43:58
  for
• 43:59
  sure.
• 43:59
  And
• 44:00
  it
• 44:00
  was
• 44:00
  just
• 44:01
  to
• 44:01
  really
• 44:02
  list
• 44:02
  the.
• 44:03
  It's
• 44:04
  like
• 44:04
  a
• 44:04
  lesson
• 44:04
  plan.
• 44:05
  You
• 44:05
  have
• 44:05
  your
• 44:05
  learning
• 44:06
  objectives
• 44:06
  and
• 44:07
  a
• 44:07
  lesson
• 44:07
  plan,
• 44:07
  don't
• 44:08
  you?
• 44:08
  The
• 44:08
  points
• 44:08
  you
• 44:09
  want
• 44:09
  to
• 44:09
  hit.
• 44:09
  So
• 44:10
  really
• 44:10
  the
• 44:11
  child
• 44:11
  is
• 44:11
  getting
• 44:11
  to
• 44:11
  the
• 44:11
  end
• 44:11
  of
• 44:12
  the
• 44:12
  book
• 44:12
  and
• 44:12
  going,
• 44:13
  this
• 44:13
  is
• 44:13
  what
• 44:14
  I've
• 44:14
  learned.
• 44:14
  But
• 44:15
  it's
• 44:15
  Bramley
• 44:15
  that's
• 44:15
  telling
• 44:16
  you,
• 44:16
  that's
• 44:16
  terrific.
• 44:18
  I
• 44:18
  know
• 44:18
  you
• 44:19
  talked
• 44:19
  about
• 44:20
  your
• 44:20
  friend
• 44:20
  who
• 44:21
  said,
• 44:22
  just
• 44:22
  write,
• 44:24
  which
• 44:24
  is
• 44:25
  phenomenal.
• 44:25
  I'm
• 44:26
  curious
• 44:26
  about
• 44:26
  your
• 44:27
  writing
• 44:27
  process.
• 44:28
  Did
• 44:28
  that
• 44:29
  in
• 44:29
  any
• 44:29
  way
• 44:30
  influence
• 44:31
  you
• 44:31
  or
• 44:31
  what
• 44:31
  does
• 44:32
  your
• 44:32
  writing
• 44:32
  process
• 44:33
  look
• 44:33
  like
• 44:34
  when
• 44:34
  we're
• 44:34
  talking
• 44:35
  aspiring
• 44:36
  children's
• 44:36
  book
• 44:36
  authors?
• 44:38
  I
• 44:38
  have
• 44:38
  no
• 44:38
  formal
• 44:39
  qualifications
• 44:40
  in
• 44:40
  writing,
• 44:40
  so
• 44:41
  I've
• 44:41
  never
• 44:41
  been
• 44:41
  to
• 44:42
  a.
• 44:43
  A
• 44:43
  writing
• 44:44
  class,
• 44:44
  a
• 44:45
  creative
• 44:45
  writing
• 44:46
  class,
• 44:46
  or
• 44:46
  even
• 44:46
  a
• 44:46
  screenwriters
• 44:47
  class
• 44:47
  class
• 44:47
  or
• 44:47
  anything
• 44:48
  like
• 44:48
  that.
• 44:49
  I've
• 44:49
  never
• 44:49
  been
• 44:50
  taught
• 44:51
  the
• 44:51
  acceptable
• 44:52
  way
• 44:53
  of
• 44:53
  getting
• 44:53
  this
• 44:54
  done.
• 44:54
  What
• 44:55
  I
• 44:55
  am
• 44:55
  exposed
• 44:56
  to
• 44:56
  is
• 44:57
  people
• 44:57
  storyboarding
• 44:59
  TV
• 45:00
  arcs,
• 45:01
  right?
• 45:02
  Because
• 45:03
  if
• 45:03
  you
• 45:03
  think,
• 45:04
  although
• 45:05
  I've
• 45:05
  got
• 45:05
  20
• 45:06
  episodes,
• 45:06
  if
• 45:06
  you
• 45:07
  will,
• 45:07
  20
• 45:07
  short
• 45:08
  episodes,
• 45:09
  normally
• 45:10
  you
• 45:10
  would
• 45:10
  get
• 45:10
  six
• 45:10
  to
• 45:10
  eight
• 45:11
  episodes,
• 45:11
  TV
• 45:12
  series.
• 45:13
  So
• 45:13
  I
• 45:13
  can
• 45:13
  see
• 45:14
  how
• 45:14
  those
• 45:14
  develops.
• 45:15
  Where
• 45:15
  do
• 45:15
  we
• 45:15
  want
• 45:16
  to
• 45:16
  be
• 45:16
  at
• 45:16
  the
• 45:16
  end
• 45:16
  of
• 45:16
  episode
• 45:17
  one?
• 45:17
  Where
• 45:18
  do
• 45:18
  we
• 45:18
  want
• 45:18
  the
• 45:18
  cliffhanger
• 45:19
  to
• 45:19
  be
• 45:19
  at
• 45:19
  the
• 45:19
  end
• 45:19
  of
• 45:20
  episode
• 45:20
  three?
• 45:21
  So
• 45:21
  I
• 45:22
  see
• 45:22
  a
• 45:23
  lot
• 45:23
  of
• 45:23
  exceptionally
• 45:24
  good
• 45:25
  writers
• 45:26
  create
• 45:27
  timelines,
• 45:28
  create
• 45:30
  storyboards.
• 45:31
  Okay,
• 45:31
  we're
• 45:32
  talking
• 45:32
  20,
• 45:32
  30
• 45:33
  page
• 45:33
  documents
• 45:34
  here.
• 45:34
  Yes.
• 45:35
  For
• 45:35
  six,
• 45:35
  one
• 45:36
  hour
• 45:36
  program.
• 45:37
  So
• 45:37
  I
• 45:37
  can
• 45:37
  see
• 45:38
  just
• 45:38
  by
• 45:38
  taking
• 45:40
  that.
• 45:41
  I
• 45:41
  know
• 45:41
  it's
• 45:41
  screenwriting
• 45:42
  the
• 45:42
  same
• 45:43
  as
• 45:43
  writing
• 45:43
  the
• 45:43
  children's
• 45:44
  book,
• 45:44
  but
• 45:45
  that
• 45:45
  was
• 45:45
  the
• 45:45
  experience
• 45:46
  I
• 45:46
  had.
• 45:46
  So
• 45:46
  I
• 45:47
  just
• 45:47
  applied
• 45:47
  it
• 45:47
  and
• 45:48
  I
• 45:48
  thought
• 45:48
  to
• 45:48
  myself,
• 45:49
  right,
• 45:49
  like
• 45:50
  I
• 45:50
  say,
• 45:50
  I
• 45:50
  was
• 45:50
  originally
• 45:51
  at
• 45:51
  30
• 45:51
  chapters.
• 45:52
  Where
• 45:52
  do
• 45:53
  I
• 45:53
  want
• 45:53
  to
• 45:53
  be?
• 45:53
  How
• 45:54
  do
• 45:54
  I
• 45:54
  get
• 45:54
  there
• 45:54
  without
• 45:55
  it
• 45:55
  being
• 45:56
  pedestrian,
• 45:56
  without
• 45:57
  it
• 45:57
  being
• 45:57
  laborious
• 45:58
  or.
• 45:58
  I
• 45:58
  don't
• 45:58
  want
• 45:58
  to
• 45:58
  skip
• 45:59
  over
• 45:59
  points.
• 45:59
  So
• 46:00
  it
• 46:00
  ended
• 46:01
  up
• 46:01
  being
• 46:02
  to
• 46:02
  a
• 46:02
  point
• 46:03
  of
• 46:03
  chapter
• 46:04
  one,
• 46:05
  start
• 46:06
  lesson,
• 46:07
  lesson
• 46:07
  learned,
• 46:08
  end
• 46:10
  start,
• 46:10
  lesson
• 46:11
  learned.
• 46:11
  And
• 46:12
  it
• 46:12
  developed
• 46:12
  from
• 46:13
  that,
• 46:13
  really
• 46:13
  into
• 46:14
  a
• 46:14
  couple
• 46:14
  of
• 46:14
  paragraphs
• 46:15
  about
• 46:15
  how
• 46:16
  am
• 46:16
  I
• 46:16
  going
• 46:16
  to
• 46:16
  get
• 46:16
  there
• 46:17
  and
• 46:17
  then
• 46:17
  just
• 46:17
  script
• 46:17
  it
• 46:18
  out?
• 46:18
  So
• 46:18
  I
• 46:18
  didn't
• 46:18
  actually
• 46:19
  write
• 46:19
  it,
• 46:20
  if
• 46:21
  you
• 46:21
  will,
• 46:21
  until
• 46:22
  I
• 46:23
  knew
• 46:23
  exactly
• 46:23
  every
• 46:24
  scene,
• 46:25
  because
• 46:26
  in
• 46:26
  my
• 46:26
  brain
• 46:26
  it
• 46:26
  was
• 46:27
  like
• 46:27
  scenes
• 46:28
  of
• 46:28
  a
• 46:28
  TV
• 46:28
  program.
• 46:29
  I
• 46:29
  knew
• 46:29
  every
• 46:29
  little
• 46:30
  scene
• 46:30
  that
• 46:30
  was
• 46:31
  to
• 46:31
  play
• 46:31
  us
• 46:32
  to
• 46:32
  the
• 46:32
  end.
• 46:33
  That's
• 46:33
  what
• 46:33
  I
• 46:33
  find
• 46:34
  with
• 46:34
  a
• 46:34
  lot
• 46:34
  of
• 46:34
  the
• 46:35
  children's
• 46:35
  book
• 46:35
  authors
• 46:36
  I
• 46:36
  talk
• 46:36
  to
• 46:37
  now.
• 46:37
  They
• 46:37
  haven't.
• 46:38
  Most
• 46:39
  of
• 46:39
  them
• 46:39
  write
• 46:39
  a
• 46:40
  single
• 46:40
  story
• 46:41
  book,
• 46:42
  children's
• 46:43
  book,
• 46:43
  heavily
• 46:44
  illustrated,
• 46:45
  but
• 46:45
  they
• 46:45
  always
• 46:46
  have
• 46:47
  more
• 46:47
  books
• 46:48
  in
• 46:48
  mind.
• 46:50
  And
• 46:50
  a
• 46:50
  lot
• 46:51
  of
• 46:51
  times
• 46:51
  it's
• 46:51
  in
• 46:51
  a
• 46:52
  series.
• 46:52
  Ours
• 46:52
  with
• 46:53
  my
• 46:53
  five
• 46:53
  grandchildren,
• 46:54
  we've
• 46:55
  written
• 46:55
  38
• 46:56
  stories
• 46:56
  in
• 46:57
  our
• 46:57
  books.
• 46:57
  Wow.
• 46:58
  Now,
• 46:58
  of
• 46:59
  course,
• 46:59
  the
• 46:59
  cost
• 46:59
  of
• 47:00
  bringing
• 47:00
  them
• 47:01
  to
• 47:01
  print
• 47:02
  because
• 47:02
  we're
• 47:02
  not
• 47:02
  the
• 47:03
  illustrator.
• 47:04
  It'll
• 47:04
  take
• 47:05
  a
• 47:05
  while
• 47:05
  before
• 47:05
  we
• 47:05
  get
• 47:06
  all
• 47:06
  38
• 47:06
  of
• 47:07
  them
• 47:07
  to
• 47:07
  life.
• 47:07
  But
• 47:08
  one
• 47:08
  thing
• 47:08
  I
• 47:08
  did
• 47:09
  do
• 47:09
  is
• 47:09
  I
• 47:09
  got
• 47:09
  about
• 47:10
  half
• 47:10
  of
• 47:11
  them
• 47:11
  recorded
• 47:12
  by
• 47:12
  my
• 47:12
  grandchildren
• 47:13
  where
• 47:14
  they
• 47:14
  actually
• 47:14
  have
• 47:15
  done
• 47:15
  the
• 47:15
  audiobook.
• 47:16
  Fantastic.
• 47:17
  Yeah.
• 47:18
  So
• 47:18
  it's
• 47:18
  fun.
• 47:19
  But
• 47:19
  like
• 47:19
  you
• 47:19
  said,
• 47:20
  it's
• 47:20
  interesting
• 47:21
  how
• 47:22
  you
• 47:22
  lay
• 47:23
  out.
• 47:24
  You
• 47:24
  could
• 47:24
  just
• 47:25
  doodle
• 47:26
  on
• 47:26
  a
• 47:26
  piece
• 47:26
  of
• 47:27
  paper.
• 47:28
  That's
• 47:28
  why
• 47:28
  we
• 47:28
  have
• 47:28
  the
• 47:29
  pages
• 47:29
  for
• 47:30
  writing
• 47:30
  and
• 47:31
  drawing
• 47:31
  at
• 47:31
  the
• 47:31
  back
• 47:32
  of
• 47:32
  each
• 47:32
  of
• 47:32
  our
• 47:32
  books,
• 47:33
  because
• 47:33
  we
• 47:33
  want
• 47:33
  to
• 47:33
  encourage
• 47:34
  children
• 47:35
  to
• 47:35
  do
• 47:35
  that.
• 47:36
  So
• 47:36
  I
• 47:36
  appreciate
• 47:36
  you
• 47:37
  sharing
• 47:37
  that.
• 47:37
  I'm
• 47:38
  curious
• 47:38
  about
• 47:39
  when
• 47:39
  you
• 47:39
  started
• 47:40
  this
• 47:40
  whole
• 47:40
  thing
• 47:41
  about
• 47:41
  being
• 47:41
  a
• 47:42
  children's
• 47:42
  book
• 47:42
  author,
• 47:43
  especially
• 47:44
  with
• 47:44
  your
• 47:44
  background.
• 47:46
  How
• 47:46
  did
• 47:46
  you
• 47:46
  envision
• 47:47
  success?
• 47:48
  What
• 47:48
  did
• 47:49
  success
• 47:49
  look
• 47:50
  like?
• 47:50
  And
• 47:50
  then
• 47:50
  what
• 47:50
  does
• 47:50
  it
• 47:51
  look
• 47:51
  to
• 47:51
  you
• 47:51
  now
• 47:52
  as
• 47:52
  a
• 47:52
  children's
• 47:53
  book
• 47:53
  author?
• 47:53
  First
• 47:53
  of
• 47:54
  all,
• 47:54
  it's
• 47:54
  certainly
• 47:54
  not
• 47:55
  monetary
• 47:55
  because
• 47:56
  kept
• 47:57
  the
• 47:57
  price
• 47:58
  really
• 47:58
  low
• 47:59
  to
• 47:59
  the
• 47:59
  books.
• 47:59
  I
• 47:59
  wanted
• 48:00
  to
• 48:02
  those
• 48:02
  families
• 48:03
  of
• 48:03
  the
• 48:03
  stories
• 48:04
  feedback,
• 48:04
  the
• 48:04
  reviews.
• 48:06
  In
• 48:06
  fact,
• 48:06
  I
• 48:06
  put
• 48:07
  one
• 48:07
  of
• 48:07
  them
• 48:07
  on
• 48:07
  the
• 48:07
  back
• 48:07
  of
• 48:07
  the
• 48:07
  book
• 48:08
  because
• 48:08
  somebody
• 48:09
  had
• 48:09
  an
• 48:09
  early
• 48:09
  draft,
• 48:10
  some
• 48:10
  feedback,
• 48:11
  and
• 48:11
  I
• 48:11
  put
• 48:11
  it
• 48:11
  on
• 48:12
  the
• 48:12
  back
• 48:12
  of
• 48:12
  the
• 48:12
  book
• 48:12
  for
• 48:12
  when
• 48:12
  I
• 48:12
  actually
• 48:13
  finally
• 48:13
  published
• 48:13
  it.
• 48:13
  And
• 48:14
  it
• 48:14
  was
• 48:14
  like,
• 48:15
  I
• 48:15
  wish
• 48:15
  I'd
• 48:15
  had
• 48:15
  this.
• 48:16
  I
• 48:16
  was
• 48:17
  worried
• 48:17
  about
• 48:17
  my.
• 48:18
  And
• 48:18
  it's
• 48:18
  just.
• 48:18
  It
• 48:18
  might
• 48:19
  seem
• 48:19
  like
• 48:19
  a
• 48:19
  very
• 48:20
  political
• 48:21
  answer,
• 48:21
  but
• 48:22
  just
• 48:22
  getting
• 48:23
  the
• 48:23
  message
• 48:23
  out
• 48:23
  there,
• 48:24
  really
• 48:24
  getting
• 48:24
  it,
• 48:25
  getting
• 48:25
  it
• 48:25
  there.
• 48:25
  And
• 48:26
  in
• 48:26
  many
• 48:26
  ways,
• 48:28
  the
• 48:28
  success
• 48:28
  really
• 48:29
  was
• 48:31
  first
• 48:31
  one
• 48:31
  of
• 48:32
  these.
• 48:33
  Yeah.
• 48:33
  Arriving
• 48:34
  at
• 48:34
  my
• 48:34
  house
• 48:35
  is
• 48:36
  an
• 48:36
  author
• 48:36
  copy.
• 48:37
  Right.
• 48:37
  Going.
• 48:38
  I'm
• 48:38
  gonna.
• 48:39
  Because
• 48:39
  I've
• 48:40
  dropped
• 48:40
  off
• 48:40
  loads
• 48:41
  at
• 48:42
  libraries
• 48:42
  and
• 48:43
  places
• 48:43
  in
• 48:44
  cafes
• 48:44
  and
• 48:45
  I
• 48:45
  don't
• 48:45
  even
• 48:45
  have
• 48:45
  this
• 48:45
  in
• 48:45
  America,
• 48:46
  but
• 48:47
  cafe
• 48:47
  seemed
• 48:47
  to
• 48:47
  have
• 48:48
  a
• 48:48
  children's
• 48:48
  book
• 48:48
  corner.
• 48:49
  Just
• 48:50
  adding
• 48:50
  them
• 48:51
  into
• 48:51
  cafes
• 48:52
  or
• 48:52
  local
• 48:53
  mom
• 48:53
  and
• 48:53
  pop
• 48:54
  kind
• 48:54
  of
• 48:54
  coffee
• 48:54
  shops.
• 48:55
  We
• 48:55
  have
• 48:55
  right
• 48:56
  now
• 48:56
  where
• 48:56
  I
• 48:56
  live,
• 48:57
  just
• 48:57
  flipping
• 48:58
  one
• 48:58
  on
• 48:58
  the
• 48:58
  bookshelf.
• 48:59
  That's
• 48:59
  it.
• 48:59
  Because
• 49:00
  I
• 49:01
  just
• 49:01
  want
• 49:01
  to
• 49:02
  get
• 49:02
  it
• 49:02
  out
• 49:02
  there.
• 49:02
  That's
• 49:03
  fantastic.
• 49:05
  I
• 49:05
  love
• 49:05
  it.
• 49:06
  Advice
• 49:06
  for
• 49:07
  aspiring
• 49:09
  children,
• 49:10
  children's
• 49:11
  book
• 49:11
  authors.
• 49:11
  What
• 49:12
  kind
• 49:12
  of
• 49:12
  advice
• 49:12
  would
• 49:13
  you
• 49:13
  give
• 49:13
  someone
• 49:14
  starting
• 49:14
  out?
• 49:15
  The
• 49:16
  biggest
• 49:16
  advice
• 49:16
  would
• 49:17
  really
• 49:17
  be
• 49:17
  bring
• 49:17
  other
• 49:18
  people's
• 49:18
  advice
• 49:19
  to
• 49:19
  me.
• 49:19
  In
• 49:20
  any
• 49:20
  kind
• 49:20
  of
• 49:20
  writing
• 49:21
  one
• 49:21
  book.
• 49:22
  Just
• 49:22
  keep
• 49:22
  going.
• 49:23
  Just
• 49:23
  keep
• 49:24
  writing.
• 49:24
  Just.
• 49:24
  You
• 49:25
  might
• 49:25
  be
• 49:25
  writing
• 49:25
  and
• 49:25
  thinking,
• 49:26
  this
• 49:26
  isn't
• 49:26
  right.
• 49:27
  Just
• 49:27
  keep
• 49:28
  going.
• 49:28
  Because
• 49:29
  you
• 49:29
  can
• 49:29
  edit.
• 49:30
  You
• 49:30
  can't
• 49:31
  edit
• 49:31
  about
• 49:31
  a
• 49:31
  blank
• 49:32
  page.
• 49:32
  What
• 49:33
  keeps
• 49:33
  you
• 49:33
  going
• 49:34
  as
• 49:34
  a
• 49:34
  children's
• 49:35
  book
• 49:35
  author?
• 49:36
  I
• 49:37
  think
• 49:37
  not
• 49:38
  feeling
• 49:39
  a.
• 49:39
  Any
• 49:39
  pressure
• 49:41
  to
• 49:41
  do
• 49:41
  it
• 49:42
  because
• 49:43
  I
• 49:43
  look
• 49:43
  forward.
• 49:44
  Do
• 49:45
  it
• 49:45
  because
• 49:47
  you
• 49:47
  feel
• 49:47
  a
• 49:47
  release
• 49:48
  from.
• 49:49
  Don't
• 49:50
  see
• 49:50
  it
• 49:50
  as
• 49:50
  a
• 49:50
  Chore.
• 49:52
  And
• 49:53
  I'm
• 49:53
  not
• 49:53
  ashamed
• 49:54
  to
• 49:54
  say
• 49:54
  that
• 49:54
  there's
• 49:55
  parts
• 49:55
  of
• 49:55
  this
• 49:55
  book
• 49:55
  I
• 49:56
  was
• 49:56
  writing
• 49:56
  and
• 49:57
  I
• 49:57
  was
• 49:58
  tearful
• 49:59
  because
• 49:59
  of
• 50:00
  the
• 50:00
  things
• 50:00
  that
• 50:00
  I
• 50:00
  was
• 50:00
  writing
• 50:01
  and
• 50:01
  still
• 50:01
  whenever
• 50:02
  I
• 50:02
  read
• 50:02
  it
• 50:02
  and
• 50:02
  I
• 50:02
  come
• 50:03
  up
• 50:03
  to
• 50:03
  certain
• 50:03
  point
• 50:04
  still
• 50:04
  make
• 50:05
  me
• 50:05
  emotional
• 50:05
  and
• 50:05
  it's
• 50:06
  a
• 50:06
  matter
• 50:06
  of
• 50:07
  just
• 50:08
  words
• 50:08
  on
• 50:08
  a
• 50:08
  page.
• 50:09
  If
• 50:09
  it
• 50:09
  can
• 50:09
  have
• 50:09
  that
• 50:10
  sort
• 50:10
  of
• 50:10
  effect
• 50:11
  on
• 50:11
  other
• 50:11
  people,
• 50:11
  it's
• 50:12
  just
• 50:12
  mind
• 50:12
  blowing.
• 50:13
  It's
• 50:13
  so
• 50:13
  true
• 50:13
  because
• 50:15
  I
• 50:15
  had
• 50:15
  mentioned
• 50:15
  we've
• 50:16
  written
• 50:16
  38
• 50:17
  stories
• 50:18
  with
• 50:18
  my
• 50:18
  grandchildren.
• 50:19
  What's
• 50:19
  incredible
• 50:20
  about
• 50:20
  that
• 50:21
  is
• 50:21
  they're
• 50:21
  all
• 50:21
  based
• 50:22
  on
• 50:22
  a
• 50:22
  nugget
• 50:23
  of
• 50:23
  truth.
• 50:24
  They
• 50:24
  really
• 50:25
  happened.
• 50:25
  The
• 50:26
  only
• 50:26
  difference
• 50:26
  is,
• 50:27
  of
• 50:27
  course
• 50:28
  we're
• 50:28
  now
• 50:29
  all
• 50:29
  animals
• 50:30
  in
• 50:31
  our
• 50:31
  stories,
• 50:32
  but
• 50:32
  they
• 50:32
  all
• 50:33
  happened
• 50:34
  like
• 50:34
  the.
• 50:34
  We
• 50:34
  have
• 50:35
  one
• 50:35
  called
• 50:35
  Hijinks
• 50:36
  at
• 50:36
  the
• 50:36
  Big
• 50:36
  Head
• 50:37
  Folk
• 50:37
  Music
• 50:37
  Festival
• 50:38
  that
• 50:38
  was
• 50:39
  really
• 50:39
  a
• 50:39
  true
• 50:39
  story
• 50:40
  based
• 50:40
  on
• 50:40
  a
• 50:41
  full
• 50:41
  day
• 50:41
  of
• 50:42
  fun
• 50:42
  and
• 50:42
  excitement
• 50:43
  and
• 50:44
  we
• 50:44
  were
• 50:45
  able
• 50:45
  to
• 50:45
  turn
• 50:45
  it
• 50:46
  into
• 50:46
  a
• 50:46
  story.
• 50:46
  You're
• 50:47
  immortalizes
• 50:48
  you,
• 50:48
  doesn't
• 50:48
  it?
• 50:49
  It
• 50:49
  does.
• 50:50
  Like
• 50:50
  you
• 50:50
  said,
• 50:51
  when
• 50:51
  you.
• 50:51
  When
• 50:52
  I
• 50:52
  read
• 50:52
  it
• 50:52
  with
• 50:52
  my
• 50:53
  grandchildren
• 50:53
  or
• 50:53
  I
• 50:53
  read
• 50:54
  it
• 50:54
  to
• 50:54
  with
• 50:54
  other
• 50:54
  children,
• 50:55
  you
• 50:56
  do,
• 50:56
  like
• 50:56
  you
• 50:56
  said,
• 50:57
  you
• 50:57
  get
• 50:57
  emotional
• 50:58
  about
• 50:58
  it
• 50:58
  because
• 51:00
  you
• 51:00
  just
• 51:00
  have
• 51:01
  this
• 51:01
  contact
• 51:01
  with
• 51:02
  your
• 51:02
  words
• 51:03
  and.
• 51:04
  It'S
• 51:05
  your
• 51:05
  grandchildren
• 51:06
  reading
• 51:06
  it
• 51:06
  to
• 51:07
  their
• 51:07
  children
• 51:08
  in
• 51:08
  the
• 51:09
  future.
• 51:09
  Yeah.
• 51:10
  That
• 51:10
  must
• 51:10
  be
• 51:10
  one
• 51:10
  of
• 51:10
  the
• 51:10
  parts.
• 51:11
  Where
• 51:11
  you
• 51:11
  just
• 51:11
  think,
• 51:13
  I
• 51:13
  hope
• 51:13
  I'm
• 51:14
  around
• 51:14
  for
• 51:14
  that.
• 51:15
  Yeah,
• 51:16
  of
• 51:16
  course.
• 51:17
  But
• 51:17
  I
• 51:17
  don't
• 51:18
  think.
• 51:18
  I
• 51:18
  don't
• 51:18
  think
• 51:18
  at
• 51:19
  half
• 51:19
  past
• 51:19
  six
• 51:19
  in
• 51:19
  the
• 51:19
  evening
• 51:20
  is
• 51:20
  necessarily
• 51:20
  going
• 51:21
  to
• 51:21
  be
• 51:21
  sat
• 51:21
  there
• 51:21
  in
• 51:21
  the
• 51:21
  bedroom.
• 51:23
  Encouragement
• 51:24
  for
• 51:24
  readers.
• 51:25
  Steve,
• 51:26
  tell
• 51:26
  us
• 51:26
  why
• 51:27
  children's
• 51:28
  book
• 51:28
  readers
• 51:28
  should
• 51:28
  purchase
• 51:29
  your
• 51:29
  book.
• 51:30
  It
• 51:30
  is
• 51:31
  pitched
• 51:31
  towards
• 51:32
  the
• 51:32
  children
• 51:33
  of
• 51:33
  emergency
• 51:33
  service
• 51:34
  families.
• 51:35
  I've
• 51:35
  had
• 51:35
  so
• 51:35
  much
• 51:35
  feedback
• 51:36
  to
• 51:36
  say,
• 51:37
  I
• 51:37
  don't
• 51:37
  know
• 51:37
  if
• 51:37
  it's
• 51:37
  me
• 51:38
  because
• 51:38
  I'm
• 51:38
  getting
• 51:38
  older
• 51:39
  or
• 51:40
  the
• 51:40
  stresses
• 51:41
  and
• 51:41
  strains
• 51:41
  on
• 51:41
  children
• 51:41
  nowadays.
• 51:42
  And
• 51:43
  it's
• 51:43
  easy
• 51:43
  to
• 51:44
  reference
• 51:44
  things
• 51:44
  like
• 51:44
  social
• 51:45
  media.
• 51:46
  I
• 51:46
  don't
• 51:46
  know.
• 51:46
  When
• 51:47
  I
• 51:47
  was
• 51:47
  growing
• 51:47
  up
• 51:47
  in
• 51:47
  the
• 51:48
  late
• 51:48
  70s,
• 51:48
  I
• 51:48
  didn't
• 51:49
  really
• 51:49
  have
• 51:49
  that
• 51:49
  many
• 51:50
  worries,
• 51:50
  I
• 51:50
  would
• 51:51
  think,
• 51:51
  looking
• 51:52
  back.
• 51:53
  But
• 51:54
  children
• 51:55
  these
• 51:56
  days
• 51:56
  have
• 51:57
  so
• 51:58
  much
• 51:58
  to
• 51:58
  work.
• 51:58
  Pressure
• 51:59
  on
• 51:59
  them
• 51:59
  to
• 51:59
  grow
• 51:59
  up
• 52:00
  too
• 52:00
  quickly
• 52:01
  is
• 52:01
  coming
• 52:01
  at
• 52:01
  them
• 52:02
  from
• 52:02
  all
• 52:02
  sides.
• 52:03
  Right.
• 52:03
  External
• 52:04
  pressures,
• 52:04
  pressures
• 52:05
  that
• 52:05
  not
• 52:05
  necessarily
• 52:06
  that
• 52:07
  family
• 52:07
  members
• 52:08
  or
• 52:08
  fully
• 52:09
  protect
• 52:09
  a
• 52:09
  child
• 52:09
  from.
• 52:10
  So
• 52:11
  what
• 52:12
  we're
• 52:12
  trying
• 52:12
  to
• 52:12
  do,
• 52:13
  what
• 52:14
  the
• 52:14
  story
• 52:15
  will
• 52:16
  give
• 52:17
  you
• 52:17
  a
• 52:17
  tool
• 52:18
  to
• 52:18
  be
• 52:18
  able
• 52:18
  to
• 52:18
  do,
• 52:18
  is
• 52:19
  to
• 52:19
  discuss
• 52:20
  ways
• 52:21
  to
• 52:21
  cope
• 52:21
  and
• 52:21
  articulate
• 52:23
  worries
• 52:23
  of
• 52:23
  that
• 52:24
  child
• 52:24
  without
• 52:24
  it
• 52:25
  seeming
• 52:25
  like
• 52:26
  it's
• 52:27
  going
• 52:27
  to
• 52:27
  be
• 52:27
  a
• 52:27
  lecture,
• 52:28
  like
• 52:28
  it's
• 52:28
  a
• 52:28
  deliberate
• 52:29
  sit
• 52:29
  down
• 52:30
  and
• 52:30
  we're
• 52:30
  going
• 52:31
  to
• 52:31
  discuss
• 52:31
  this.
• 52:33
  Something
• 52:33
  itself
• 52:33
  to
• 52:34
  worry
• 52:34
  about.
• 52:34
  It's
• 52:35
  in
• 52:35
  a
• 52:35
  story,
• 52:36
  I
• 52:37
  think
• 52:37
  will
• 52:37
  give
• 52:38
  children
• 52:38
  the
• 52:39
  tools
• 52:39
  or
• 52:39
  give
• 52:40
  you
• 52:40
  the
• 52:40
  ability
• 52:40
  to
• 52:41
  discuss
• 52:41
  those
• 52:42
  tools
• 52:43
  with
• 52:43
  a
• 52:43
  child.
• 52:44
  But
• 52:44
  it
• 52:44
  also
• 52:45
  allows
• 52:45
  them
• 52:46
  to
• 52:46
  pick
• 52:47
  best
• 52:47
  tool
• 52:47
  for
• 52:47
  them.
• 52:48
  Leo
• 52:49
  does
• 52:49
  quite
• 52:49
  a
• 52:49
  lot
• 52:49
  just
• 52:50
  drawing.
• 52:51
  He
• 52:51
  writes
• 52:51
  in
• 52:52
  the
• 52:52
  diary.
• 52:53
  He
• 52:53
  does,
• 52:53
  he
• 52:54
  draws
• 52:54
  pictures,
• 52:55
  he
• 52:55
  talks
• 52:55
  to
• 52:55
  his
• 52:56
  friends,
• 52:56
  talks
• 52:56
  to
• 52:56
  his
• 52:57
  nan,
• 52:57
  talks
• 52:57
  to
• 52:57
  his
• 52:58
  mom,
• 52:58
  talks
• 52:59
  to
• 52:59
  his
• 52:59
  teacher.
• 52:59
  He
• 52:59
  does
• 53:00
  array
• 53:00
  of
• 53:01
  things.
• 53:01
  But
• 53:01
  if
• 53:02
  a
• 53:02
  child
• 53:02
  is
• 53:02
  more
• 53:02
  comfortable
• 53:02
  just
• 53:03
  one
• 53:03
  of
• 53:03
  those
• 53:03
  things,
• 53:04
  two
• 53:04
  of
• 53:04
  those
• 53:04
  things,
• 53:05
  it
• 53:05
  just
• 53:05
  shows
• 53:05
  that
• 53:05
  it's
• 53:06
  okay
• 53:07
  to
• 53:07
  do
• 53:07
  that.
• 53:08
  Absolutely.
• 53:08
  And
• 53:09
  parents
• 53:10
  or
• 53:10
  the
• 53:10
  family
• 53:10
  members
• 53:10
  can
• 53:11
  just
• 53:12
  talk.
• 53:13
  Just
• 53:13
  read
• 53:13
  the
• 53:13
  book
• 53:14
  in
• 53:14
  as
• 53:15
  if
• 53:15
  it's
• 53:15
  not
• 53:15
  a
• 53:16
  lesson.
• 53:16
  I'm
• 53:16
  not
• 53:16
  gonna.
• 53:17
  Now
• 53:17
  we're
• 53:17
  going
• 53:17
  to
• 53:17
  sit
• 53:18
  down.
• 53:18
  I'm
• 53:18
  going
• 53:18
  to
• 53:18
  give
• 53:18
  you
• 53:18
  a
• 53:19
  lesson
• 53:19
  on
• 53:19
  resilience.
• 53:19
  It's
• 53:20
  not
• 53:20
  that
• 53:20
  it's
• 53:20
  just
• 53:20
  children's
• 53:21
  book.
• 53:21
  We'll
• 53:21
  just
• 53:22
  get
• 53:22
  the
• 53:22
  child
• 53:22
  think
• 53:23
  and
• 53:23
  to
• 53:23
  themselves
• 53:25
  that,
• 53:25
  you
• 53:25
  know,
• 53:26
  what
• 53:26
  I'm
• 53:26
  thinking
• 53:27
  is
• 53:27
  normal.
• 53:29
  Actually
• 53:29
  there's
• 53:29
  a
• 53:29
  ways
• 53:30
  for
• 53:30
  me
• 53:30
  to
• 53:30
  deal
• 53:31
  with
• 53:31
  this
• 53:31
  without
• 53:32
  going
• 53:32
  and
• 53:33
  expressing
• 53:33
  it
• 53:34
  out
• 53:34
  loud.
• 53:35
  Can
• 53:35
  actually
• 53:36
  find
• 53:36
  my
• 53:36
  own
• 53:36
  path.
• 53:37
  Absolutely.
• 53:38
  And
• 53:38
  people
• 53:38
  don't
• 53:39
  give
• 53:39
  children
• 53:39
  enough
• 53:40
  credit
• 53:41
  for
• 53:41
  the
• 53:41
  intelligence
• 53:42
  that
• 53:43
  they
• 53:43
  possess
• 53:43
  because
• 53:44
  I
• 53:44
  know
• 53:44
  that
• 53:45
  through
• 53:45
  my
• 53:46
  five
• 53:46
  grandchildren
• 53:47
  and
• 53:47
  how
• 53:48
  we've
• 53:48
  written
• 53:48
  stories
• 53:49
  together
• 53:49
  and
• 53:50
  recorded
• 53:50
  stories
• 53:51
  together
• 53:51
  is
• 53:51
  that
• 53:52
  they
• 53:52
  have
• 53:52
  a
• 53:53
  deeper.
• 53:54
  You
• 53:54
  know
• 53:54
  what
• 53:54
  it's
• 53:55
  just
• 53:55
  like
• 53:55
  having
• 53:55
  a
• 53:56
  little
• 53:56
  adult.
• 53:57
  And,
• 53:58
  and
• 53:59
  that's
• 53:59
  what
• 53:59
  I
• 53:59
  think
• 54:00
  people
• 54:00
  have
• 54:00
  to
• 54:00
  think
• 54:00
  about
• 54:01
  is
• 54:01
  that
• 54:02
  they
• 54:02
  can
• 54:02
  actually
• 54:03
  understand
• 54:04
  much
• 54:04
  of
• 54:05
  what
• 54:05
  you're
• 54:05
  talking
• 54:05
  about.
• 54:07
  Yeah.
• 54:07
  Give
• 54:07
  them
• 54:07
  the
• 54:08
  tools,
• 54:09
  give
• 54:09
  them
• 54:09
  a
• 54:09
  menu
• 54:10
  of
• 54:10
  options.
• 54:11
  They'll
• 54:12
  pick
• 54:12
  one.
• 54:12
  I
• 54:12
  couldn't
• 54:13
  agree
• 54:13
  with
• 54:13
  you
• 54:13
  more.
• 54:14
  I
• 54:14
  appreciate
• 54:14
  that.
• 54:15
  So,
• 54:16
  final
• 54:16
  thoughts.
• 54:17
  Steve,
• 54:17
  is
• 54:17
  there
• 54:17
  anything
• 54:19
  that
• 54:19
  you
• 54:20
  said,
• 54:20
  Gee,
• 54:20
  I
• 54:20
  wish
• 54:21
  Rick
• 54:21
  would
• 54:21
  ask
• 54:21
  me
• 54:22
  that
• 54:22
  question.
• 54:22
  Is
• 54:23
  there
• 54:23
  something
• 54:23
  that
• 54:23
  you'd
• 54:24
  like
• 54:24
  to
• 54:24
  share
• 54:24
  that
• 54:24
  maybe
• 54:25
  I
• 54:25
  didn't
• 54:25
  ask?
• 54:26
  No,
• 54:26
  not
• 54:27
  really.
• 54:27
  I
• 54:27
  think
• 54:27
  we
• 54:27
  spoke
• 54:28
  it
• 54:28
  all.
• 54:28
  But
• 54:29
  one
• 54:30
  of
• 54:30
  the
• 54:30
  things,
• 54:30
  I
• 54:31
  think
• 54:31
  I
• 54:31
  touched
• 54:31
  on
• 54:31
  it
• 54:32
  very
• 54:32
  briefly
• 54:32
  early
• 54:33
  on,
• 54:33
  but
• 54:33
  I
• 54:33
  wanted
• 54:34
  to
• 54:34
  make
• 54:34
  a
• 54:34
  point
• 54:35
  of
• 54:35
  including
• 54:35
  it
• 54:35
  but
• 54:36
  not
• 54:36
  hitting
• 54:36
  the
• 54:37
  reader
• 54:37
  over
• 54:37
  the
• 54:37
  head
• 54:37
  with.
• 54:38
  It's
• 54:38
  not
• 54:38
  just
• 54:38
  children
• 54:39
  that
• 54:40
  sometimes
• 54:40
  need
• 54:41
  that
• 54:42
  help,
• 54:43
  need
• 54:43
  a
• 54:44
  way
• 54:44
  of
• 54:44
  being
• 54:44
  able
• 54:45
  to
• 54:45
  express
• 54:45
  themselves.
• 54:47
  And
• 54:47
  I'm
• 54:47
  not
• 54:47
  just
• 54:47
  talking
• 54:48
  about
• 54:48
  teenagers,
• 54:48
  young
• 54:48
  adults.
• 54:49
  And
• 54:49
  we
• 54:49
  all
• 54:49
  know
• 54:50
  that
• 54:50
  the
• 54:50
  issues
• 54:51
  across
• 54:51
  the
• 54:51
  board
• 54:52
  we
• 54:52
  have
• 54:52
  with
• 54:52
  young
• 54:53
  adults,
• 54:54
  the
• 54:54
  way
• 54:54
  that
• 54:54
  they
• 54:55
  feel
• 54:55
  and
• 54:55
  their
• 54:55
  well
• 54:55
  being.
• 54:56
  It's
• 54:56
  interesting
• 54:56
  you
• 54:56
  should
• 54:57
  say
• 54:57
  that
• 54:57
  too,
• 54:58
  Steve,
• 54:58
  because
• 54:58
  I've
• 54:58
  had
• 54:59
  several
• 54:59
  children's
• 55:00
  book
• 55:00
  authors
• 55:01
  tell
• 55:01
  me
• 55:01
  that
• 55:02
  after
• 55:02
  a
• 55:03
  book
• 55:03
  reading
• 55:03
  they've
• 55:04
  had
• 55:04
  adults
• 55:05
  come
• 55:05
  up
• 55:05
  to
• 55:05
  them
• 55:05
  and
• 55:06
  say,
• 55:06
  you
• 55:06
  know
• 55:06
  what?
• 55:07
  I
• 55:07
  see
• 55:08
  myself
• 55:08
  in
• 55:08
  that
• 55:09
  book.
• 55:09
  That's
• 55:09
  me.
• 55:10
  And,
• 55:11
  and
• 55:11
  it's
• 55:12
  an
• 55:12
  adult
• 55:12
  seeing
• 55:12
  themselves
• 55:13
  in
• 55:13
  a
• 55:14
  children's
• 55:14
  book.
• 55:15
  I
• 55:15
  couldn't
• 55:16
  agree
• 55:16
  with
• 55:16
  you
• 55:16
  more
• 55:16
  that
• 55:17
  people
• 55:18
  can
• 55:18
  actually
• 55:20
  pick
• 55:21
  up
• 55:21
  on
• 55:21
  the
• 55:21
  message
• 55:22
  and
• 55:22
  feel
• 55:22
  like
• 55:22
  it
• 55:23
  was
• 55:23
  their
• 55:24
  story.
• 55:25
  I
• 55:25
  wanted
• 55:25
  children
• 55:26
  to
• 55:26
  look
• 55:27
  at
• 55:27
  Leo
• 55:28
  as
• 55:28
  themselves.
• 55:29
  I
• 55:29
  wanted
• 55:29
  them
• 55:29
  to
• 55:29
  see
• 55:30
  themselves
• 55:31
  in
• 55:31
  Leo.
• 55:32
  I
• 55:33
  also
• 55:33
  wanted
• 55:33
  the
• 55:33
  parents
• 55:34
  to
• 55:34
  see
• 55:34
  themselves
• 55:35
  in
• 55:35
  Mum
• 55:36
  and
• 55:36
  Nan.
• 55:37
  I
• 55:37
  think
• 55:37
  there's
• 55:38
  one
• 55:38
  part
• 55:38
  of
• 55:38
  it
• 55:39
  where,
• 55:39
  and
• 55:40
  it
• 55:40
  made
• 55:40
  me
• 55:40
  laugh
• 55:40
  when
• 55:40
  I
• 55:40
  wrote
• 55:41
  it
• 55:41
  and
• 55:41
  I
• 55:41
  kept
• 55:41
  it
• 55:42
  right
• 55:42
  for
• 55:42
  the
• 55:43
  early
• 55:43
  draft
• 55:44
  where
• 55:44
  Nan
• 55:45
  says
• 55:45
  to
• 55:46
  Mum,
• 55:46
  come
• 55:46
  in,
• 55:46
  sit
• 55:47
  down,
• 55:47
  looks
• 55:47
  like
• 55:47
  Wil
• 55:48
  has
• 55:48
  landed
• 55:48
  on
• 55:49
  you
• 55:49
  overnight.
• 55:51
  That
• 55:51
  phrase,
• 55:51
  because
• 55:53
  it
• 55:53
  was
• 55:53
  really
• 55:53
  something
• 55:54
  for
• 55:54
  the
• 55:54
  parents
• 55:54
  to
• 55:55
  say.
• 55:55
  Sometimes
• 55:56
  as
• 55:56
  a
• 55:56
  parent,
• 55:57
  when
• 55:57
  you're
• 55:57
  juggling
• 55:58
  work,
• 55:58
  life,
• 55:59
  home,
• 56:00
  etc.
• 56:01
  Especially
• 56:01
  as
• 56:01
  a
• 56:02
  single
• 56:02
  parent,
• 56:03
  might
• 56:04
  be
• 56:04
  just
• 56:05
  times
• 56:05
  where
• 56:05
  the
• 56:05
  world
• 56:05
  has
• 56:06
  just
• 56:06
  sat
• 56:06
  on
• 56:06
  you
• 56:06
  overnight
• 56:07
  and
• 56:08
  you
• 56:09
  can
• 56:09
  see
• 56:09
  yourself
• 56:09
  in
• 56:10
  Mum
• 56:11
  and
• 56:11
  then
• 56:11
  Nan
• 56:12
  can
• 56:12
  see
• 56:13
  themselves
• 56:14
  helping
• 56:15
  Mum.
• 56:15
  I
• 56:16
  think
• 56:16
  there's
• 56:16
  a
• 56:16
  story
• 56:16
  for
• 56:17
  everybody.
• 56:19
  Steve,
• 56:19
  thank
• 56:19
  you
• 56:20
  so
• 56:20
  much
• 56:20
  for
• 56:20
  being
• 56:20
  a
• 56:21
  guest
• 56:21
  on
• 56:21
  the
• 56:22
  Adventures
• 56:22
  in
• 56:22
  the
• 56:22
  Heart
• 56:23
  of
• 56:23
  Children's
• 56:23
  Book
• 56:23
  Authors
• 56:24
  Podcast.
• 56:25
  Your
• 56:25
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• 56:26
  of
• 56:26
  time,
• 56:26
  your
• 56:27
  insights
• 56:27
  will
• 56:27
  significantly
• 56:28
  benefit
• 56:29
  aspiring
• 56:30
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