Latest / Admonition Podcast / 1 Timothy 3 (Lesson 13) - Aaron Cozort - 05-11-2025
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- 0:00Take your Bibles, if you will, and open them to 1 Timothy.
- 0:02All right, let's begin with a word of prayer.
- 0:06Our gracious Lord and Father of all mankind, we come before you grateful for the day that you've granted to us and the blessings that you offer us each and every day.
- 0:16Thankful for the energy and the abilities that we have to assemble together, to encourage one another, to provoke one another, to love and good works, to focus on your word and
- 0:27understanding your will for our lives and for mankind.
- 0:31And we also pray for those who are unable to be with us because of illness or injury or difficulties.
- 0:40We pray that you be with them and pray that they will be able to fully recover back to their desired health.
- 0:47We pray for those who have lost loved ones in recent days.
- 0:51We pray that you give them comfort and strength through the difficult days ahead.
- 0:56We also pray for those who uh are traveling, those who are abroad, and those who are serving as missionaries throughout this world.
- 1:05We pray that they might be faithful to you, that they might have open doors of opportunity, and they might grow strong in all of the areas where they work.
- 1:17Lord, we pray that you will be with us as we go throughout the remainder of this uh day.
- 1:23We pray that we might say those things which are right in accordance with your will, that we might be encouraged by your word.
- 1:31All this we pray and ask in Jesus' amen.
- 1:37First Peter chapter, or sorry, First Timothy chapter three, uh as Paul is writing about the qualifications of elders, he is writing to a congregation or an individual.
- 1:57An individual, who is he writing to?
- 2:00Timothy, okay.
- 2:03What was Timothy supposed to do with this information?
- 2:09Okay, two areas and both of them covered uh in the answers.
- 2:16One is he was supposed to pass it on.
- 2:18It was Paul instructing a teacher what to teach.
- 2:24But additionally, what did Paul send Timothy and Titus to do as he was traveling through different regions when he would send them back to a congregation?
- 2:40All right?
- 2:41They were to educate, they were to teach, and they were to find and appoint elders within those congregations.
- 2:49So when you write something to a congregation, the congregation's supposed to learn from it, they're supposed to apply it themselves.
- 3:00Paul didn't write this to a congregation.
- 3:03He wrote it to someone who was then charged with the responsibility of implementing it.
- 3:10He was giving him his marching orders.
- 3:13This is what you're looking for.
- 3:16This is who you are to appoint.
- 3:19This is the type of individual that you are to find to be put in that role of being an elder.
- 3:30And uh Timothy had a direct responsibility in this regard because it was tasked to him, it was tasked to Titus.
- 3:40And by the way, where's the other list of qualifications for elders?
- 3:45In the book of Titus.
- 3:47Both of these individuals, Paul has sent with a responsibility and a mission to ordain elders in all these congregations, and they're both given a list that is basically an
- 3:59identical list.
- 4:03Some things we learn from that.
- 4:05Does the culture of the church or the culture that the church comes out of dictate the qualifications for the elders?
- 4:17Do the qualifications change based upon whether it's a small congregation or a large congregation?
- 4:25No.
- 4:27Do the qualifications change because the congregation says we don't think that those qualifications are going to work here?
- 4:37No.
- 4:40Paul didn't say when you get to Ephesus,
- 4:44You've a big congregation, you've got a lot of people, you've got some really good strong Jewish influence in Ephesus uh from Christians, so here's your qualifications for Ephesus.
- 5:00Macedonia is going to kind of be a different situation.
- 5:03We've got a lot of poor people there, and so over here in Ephesus, I want you to make sure we've got some good business people.
- 5:13Over there in Macedonia, you're going to have a bunch of slaves.
- 5:15So you're just going to have to deal with what you...
- 5:18No.
- 5:20Paul's instructions for Macedonia are the same as Paul's instructions for Ephesus are the same as Paul's instructions for everywhere else.
- 5:28When you go over to the book of Corinthians, and you look there in 1 Corinthians chapter 16, ah you find there the instructions that Paul gives to Corinth for how the collection
- 5:41for the saints is supposed to occur.
- 5:43And interestingly, he says, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, so also do ye.
- 5:52What's that mean?
- 5:54It means Paul's instructions were the same for them.
- 5:57that they were for the churches of Galatia.
- 6:00That the instructions, the commands don't change based upon where you are.
- 6:05That God's pattern and God's expectations and God's qualifications are the same no matter where you are.
- 6:15So if you go to Africa and you start doing work in Africa,
- 6:24and you start evangelizing in Africa, and you start teaching people in certain countries in Africa, and you come across the problem of you've got some really morally conscious
- 6:41men, you've got some individuals in the congregation who you are thinking, you know what, these people have, uh
- 6:52they have a real opportunity to become elders.
- 6:58But you just got there.
- 6:59You've only met them.
- 7:02You're there for a little bit of time.
- 7:03You're there for a month.
- 7:05I think there's a month.
- 7:07And then you find out that there's one of them that has three wives.
- 7:15In Africa, the problem isn't marriage, divorce, and remarriage.
- 7:20It's one man has three wives, or five.
- 7:25Just same Old Testament problem the Jews had.
- 7:30So do the qualifications change because you're in Africa?
- 7:34No.
- 7:35Do the qualifications change because you're in America and the scriptures say the husband of one wife and yet this person's been married and divorced and remarried and divorced and
- 7:47remarried?
- 7:49No.
- 7:51Well, what about
- 7:54If in Africa they have a lot of children, but maybe only two or three of them are faithful.
- 8:04I mean, got seven kids, two or three are faithful, isn't that a good enough ratio?
- 8:1040%.
- 8:10How about in America?
- 8:11Well, they only had one kid and he kind of went off the rails.
- 8:17You see, the culture doesn't matter.
- 8:22The qualifications are the qualifications.
- 8:26It doesn't matter what part of the world you implement it.
- 8:29And part of the reason why that is so important as we understand and structure our thinking around Scripture is that God created and handed off through the apostles and the
- 8:43prophets of the first century a structure, a framework that worked.
- 8:52everywhere.
- 8:54If one day Elon Musk and all of his great visionary thought, maybe, maybe not, ends up with a whole colony of people on Mars.
- 9:08Are the qualifications for elders in a church on Mars going to be different than the qualifications for elders in the church in America?
- 9:15No.
- 9:17They're going have some different gravity to deal with.
- 9:21but they aren't going to be anything other than people.
- 9:27When we come to a mindset, and this is, here's where I wanted us to frame ourselves in this discussion.
- 9:36When we come to a mindset that says, I know that's what it says, but that doesn't work here.
- 9:48We have said that God wasn't wise enough.
- 9:56God didn't know humanity well enough.
- 10:00God wasn't forward-thinking enough.
- 10:05God was not able to push through man's particular first century problems enough.
- 10:17to hand out a standard that would work 2,000 years later or 4,000 years later or on another planet or amongst a people in Africa versus a people in America versus a people in
- 10:33Israel versus a people in Rome.
- 10:37All we've said by saying, I know that's what it says, but it won't work here, is that we don't trust God.
- 10:45That's it.
- 10:48That's all we've admitted, is that God was insufficient for the task.
- 10:54But we, in all of our wisdom,
- 10:59in all of our foresight and all of our knowledge and all of our vast experience have a better idea.
- 11:07Turn to Proverbs chapter three before we get into the text of First Timothy three.
- 11:12Proverbs chapter three.
- 11:23Beginning in verse five, trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding.
- 11:37In all of your ways, acknowledge him and he shall direct your paths.
- 11:47Do not be wise.
- 11:51in your own eyes, fear the Lord and depart from evil.
- 11:58It will be health to your flesh and strength to your bones." The Proverbs writer may not have always lived out that admonition, but as given by God through inspiration, it was
- 12:17accurate.
- 12:20And God makes it clear, if you think, if you imagine, if you dwell on the possibility for a moment that you know better than me, you're a fool.
- 12:36And too often we have congregations where the people who are deciding who should be elders are fools.
- 12:56Exactly.
- 12:58My thoughts are not your thoughts, my ways are not your ways, says the Lord.
- 13:01You know, Paul will point that out to the church at Corinth where he emphasizes that it's not many wise men who obey the gospel.
- 13:15You say, wait a minute, these are the smartest among us, these are the most intellectual among us, these are the people who have devoted their lives to studying and understanding
- 13:24philosophy in the world and all the things around us.
- 13:27And Paul says, yeah, and they won't humble themselves and submit to God.
- 13:33Why?
- 13:34Because they're wise in their own eyes.
- 13:40All right, 1 Timothy chapter three.
- 13:45Verse five, for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?
- 13:54Not a novice, as Paul continues with the qualifications.
- 13:58Not a novice, what is a novice?
- 14:03A rookie, an unskilled individual.
- 14:07Okay, the context here is their knowledge of the word of God.
- 14:14time as a Christian, their experience within the body of Christ.
- 14:20Paul is making it clear you're not going to take someone who's been a Christian for a year, whose only prior background was as a pagan, believing in Greek mythology, and you're
- 14:36not going to take that individual after a year and make him an elder.
- 14:41You're certainly not going to take an 18-year-old or a 16-year-old, Mormons, and make him an elder.
- 14:52There's no such thing as an 18-year-old elder.
- 14:56There might be an 18-year-old fool, but not an elder.
- 15:02Paul says this individual must be not a novice, therefore what must they be?
- 15:13seasoned, experienced, skilled, masterful in their knowledge of the Word of God.
- 15:21Mature.
- 15:23It doesn't mean that this individual can't have things they don't know.
- 15:29It doesn't mean they can't have books of the Bible that they're not as knowledgeable about those books as maybe some others.
- 15:36It doesn't mean that they couldn't possibly have some holes in their Old Testament understanding and some really good qualifications in their New Testament understanding.
- 15:47But it does mean they can't have spent, oh, maybe about 100 or 150 hours with the Word of God in total in their life.
- 15:59You know, in business, we know a number of things.
- 16:02As we're educating people, we know somebody who spent 10 hours with something has been introduced to it.
- 16:08Somebody who spent 100 hours with something has started to understand it.
- 16:14Someone who spent 1,000 hours with something now has gotten below the surface.
- 16:21And someone who spent 10,000 hours with something has generally become a master of the subject.
- 16:31Paul says you can't have the novice be an elder.
- 16:36Why can a novice not be an elder?
- 16:38Is Paul just thinking that, you know what, if he starts off as a novice, he'll never develop?
- 16:44Is it a doubt in the person's ability to develop or is it something else?
- 16:51Okay, knowledge, why does knowledge matter as an elder?
- 17:00Alright, direction, he may not know the right direction, he may not know how to make the right choice, what else?
- 17:08Gay pride.
- 17:09I heard something else.
- 17:13Okay, leadership ability, so as you are trained in the Word of God, you are better able to lead people in the Word of God.
- 17:23If you're a novice, you may be lifted up with pride and think, well, look at me, I've been given the role of an elder.
- 17:31Stretch your stuff and be a peacock, it's got feathers everywhere.
- 17:35Hey, look at me, I'm an elder.
- 17:38Because you're not.
- 17:40knowledgeable and wise and experienced enough to realize that humility is one of the core tenets of an elder.
- 17:54he is leading and so if he is not knowledgeable the word
- 17:57he could lead some people straight to hell by the decisions that he makes, whether he uh has a wrong stance on marriage, divorce, remarriage, whether he, uh a wide variety of
- 18:08things.
- 18:09So if he is not knowledgeable, he could very well, it turns into the situation of the blind leading the blind and they both fall into the ditch.
- 18:16So anybody who's got much experience in groups has observed this before.
- 18:24You get in a group of people in a work scenario or a school scenario or some social scenario and someone is put in charge.
- 18:34Why are they put in charge?
- 18:35Because somebody has to be in charge and they decide, well, everybody likes so and so, they're in charge.
- 18:42So and so doesn't include what they're doing.
- 18:46but they're popular, how likely are they to be successful at what they're doing?
- 18:54Not very, unless the task is menial in its importance.
- 19:03When you're dealing with an elder and their role, their role is to shepherd the flock, their role is to lead the flock, their role is to tend for and take care of the flock.
- 19:20You know, there are some things in the medical world where I don't mind somebody who just got out of school who has no real practical experience working on.
- 19:29uh
- 19:31There's a reason why they take the students and they put them in the hospital and they do their rounds and they're supervised, but they're, you know what, I can set a broken bone,
- 19:41right?
- 19:43Somebody who's a novice can set a broken bone.
- 19:46They can give an IV.
- 19:47They can do, but brain surgery is probably not the thing that you want the first year graduate doing.
- 19:58Let alone soul surgery.
- 20:01Elders are going to deal with problems in the congregation that take great care, knowledge, and experience and more than one of them, more than one elder to resolve.
- 20:20And if you've got one who's experienced and one who's a novice but is very popular,
- 20:29You can quite often have the novice leading the congregation down the wrong path and destroying individuals unintentionally because of their ignorance and their lack of wisdom
- 20:45and their lack of understanding.
- 20:49and Hebrews five dealt with not specifically to elders but to Christians because he talked about the time when these individuals should have been teachers yet they needed somebody
- 20:58to teach them again.
- 20:59And in chapter five verse 13 he said for everyone that uses milk is unskillful in the word of righteousness for he is a babe.
- 21:05And I think that is the point that Paul is making when he's talking about not being a novice.
- 21:10Why?
- 21:11Because the person who's still on the milk of the word is unskillful in handling righteousness.
- 21:17Absolutely.
- 21:18And I do think it's also
- 21:19interesting that there's not a time given for this novice versus not a novice.
- 21:26You could have somebody who has been a Christian for fewer years and be more mature and more skillful than somebody who's been a Christian their entire life and has never grown
- 21:35past the milk of the word.
- 21:37Correct.
- 21:37And so, know, as what Eddie's pointing out is accurate, you know, as the Hebrew writer demonstrates in Hebrews chapter 5, here were individuals who should have moved past the
- 21:49milk of the word.
- 21:50They had been Christians long enough.
- 21:52And by the way, the Hebrew writer is writing to a Jewish background of Christians.
- 22:00These are Jews who were Christians considering going back to the old law, which means they were raised up under the Old Testament scriptures, they were raised up in the synagogue.
- 22:08It's not that they weren't aware of the scriptures, it's that they had never bothered to use them and they had never bothered to mature.
- 22:18So you could have someone who becomes a Christian and five, six years later, because of their focus on developing themselves and growing themselves and because perhaps their
- 22:32mindset and their attention to morality and character all of their lives, you could have an individual
- 22:41who's prepared to be an elder within less than a decade of becoming a Christian.
- 22:46And yet here are these Jews who've been sitting over here, they've been Christians for 20 years.
- 22:49Well, wait a minute, why is he an elder?
- 22:52I've been a Christian for 20 years.
- 22:54I should be an elder.
- 22:57Paul says, you're not skillful in the word.
- 23:01You don't know how to use it because you've never bothered to try.
- 23:06You've never held yourself accountable for doing so.
- 23:19Absolutely, absolutely.
- 23:21uh More than a few platoons of soldiers have found that out in history.
- 23:28Now he says, not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride, he fall into the same condemnation as the devil.
- 23:43Paul gives a warning here, and that is that with authority and responsibility comes temptation as to how you use the authority and the responsibility.
- 24:00And so he warns that this not a novice is because there's danger involved in being an elder.
- 24:12There's danger involved in having authority because you could become lifted up with pride thinking you are something important, that you are something of great value, that you are
- 24:29something to be observed and followed.
- 24:34What did Paul tell the elders in the church at Ephesus would be a problem for the church at Ephesus?
- 24:43In Acts chapter 20.
- 24:46that some from among their own selves would seek to draw away people after themselves.
- 24:57Paul says you in Ephesus are going to have problem with this.
- 25:04He warns them, this is coming for you.
- 25:07And they as elders in Ephesus needed to be ready for it.
- 25:12They needed to be watchful not just for the wolves outside the flock, but the wolves inside the eldership.
- 25:24He says, moreover, he must have a good testimony among those who are outside.
- 25:35As Paul gives the qualifications for elders, Paul,
- 25:40rounds it out in this section with this individual's reputation outside of the church matters too.
- 25:51They have to be an individual who has a good reputation outside the body of Christ.
- 25:59Why is that?
- 26:09Okay?
- 26:09His influence amongst the community, amongst those who are outside of the body of Christ, is going to matter about the effectiveness of the church.
- 26:19What else?
- 26:21Okay.
- 26:22One of the biggest problems that Jesus dealt with among the religious leaders in Israel was that the Israelites were blind to their hypocrisy and everybody on the outside could
- 26:35tell.
- 26:39Pilate was not ignorant of the hypocrisy of the Jewish leadership.
- 26:46But the Jews were.
- 26:49They had blinded themselves to the lifestyle and the actions of their leaders.
- 26:57While those on the outside are going, really?
- 27:03Pilate goes, I find no justification, no fault with this man.
- 27:10And the Jewish leadership cried in response, crucify him.
- 27:20when Paul is on trial.
- 27:25They try and bring individuals to bring testimony against Paul that was false testimony.
- 27:33When Jesus was on trial, they go through the list of witnesses finding two people who would lie the same way.
- 27:47Do you think that the individuals who were of such upstanding moral character as to be interviewed as witnesses against Jesus were in any confusion about the moral character of
- 28:08the people interviewing them?
- 28:13You see, those who are on the outside, those who freely admit that they don't live to that moral standard also are sometimes the best judges of character when it comes to those who
- 28:31are on the inside.
- 28:34So if you have a man in a community and inside the church he seems to be a great upstanding individual, he always is helpful, he's conscious of others, he's mindful of
- 28:47things, he's very focused on the scriptures, it just so happens that during the week he launders money for people.
- 28:59Maybe his reputation on the outside needs to be considered before he's appointed as an elder.
- 29:06Maybe when they come to his store, you know, buy a gallon of gas, but they only get nine-tenths of a gallon of gas.
- 29:18Maybe he has a reputation that every time he gives someone a quote, the quote is one thing, and then when he charges them, it's something else.
- 29:30Maybe what he says in his classroom is not what he says in Bible study.
- 29:41You know, all of these things matter.
- 29:43And so it is on the required obligation of the church that if someone's name is being put forward as an elder, that they go talk to the people he knows who are not in the church.
- 29:58Because his reputation must be that on the outside that he must have a good testimony among those who are outside.
- 30:10Not just people feel good about him.
- 30:14Like Joe, he's a good old boy.
- 30:17Right, you're going put that down in words and you're going to let us know exactly what you think his character is.
- 30:27See, he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil twice in the last two verses the devil's been brought up.
- 30:38Why is that?
- 30:47Alright, so warning, just pause for a moment, get off the subject of elders and let's get on the subject of the devil.
- 30:55What do we know about Satan?
- 31:00Alright, he seeks those who he can devour.
- 31:05Jesus calls Him a liar from the beginning.
- 31:09Jesus calls Him a murderer from the beginning.
- 31:17What else do we know?
- 31:21Do any followers?
- 31:25Are they all human?
- 31:27No.
- 31:29There are other angels, there are other spiritual beings who followed after Satan in his rebellion against the Lord.
- 31:41He is an individual who in some scenario, by the way, uh there's a passage that uses the term Lucifer in the Old Testament, which a lot of individuals think has to do with Satan
- 31:54and his fall.
- 31:55doesn't, it has to do with Babylon and Nebuchadnezzar.
- 31:58So put that aside for a minute.
- 32:00But there's enough evidence in scripture to point to the fact that Satan had some form of leadership
- 32:11Position.
- 32:14and as a result of his pride, as a result of his willingness to rebel against God, he not only rebelled, but others rebelled with him.
- 32:24When Jesus describes hell and its purpose, who did he say hell was prepared for?
- 32:31The devil and his angels.
- 32:39Twice Paul gives a warning, you be careful who you put in the role of an elder.
- 32:47You be sure they're not a novice, and you look at the reputation outside.
- 32:56because they're susceptible.
- 33:01Does that mean there could ever be a situation where an elder has to be removed from an eldership because he has become not just susceptible, but guilty?
- 33:14Yes.
- 33:17All right, so we're gonna introduce a judgment issue here.
- 33:24You have an elder who's serving in an eldership who's now unqualified to be an elder.
- 33:28How do you get him out?
- 33:33Okay?
- 33:35So, first thing to recognize, there is no such thing as an elder holding the role of the eldership.
- 33:45All right?
- 33:49There's never a time in all of scripture where elders are spoken of in the singular sense unless an individual like John who was an elder is being discussed.
- 34:02uh Someone could be talked about in a singular sense as having that position.
- 34:08Peter who is an elder is discussed in that sense, but a congregation's elders are always spoken of in the plural.
- 34:18You go to the beginning of the book of Philippians, you go to the beginning of book of Galatians, you go to the beginning of many other books.
- 34:24Paul begins writing to the elders and the deacons and the Christians or the bishops and the deacons and the Christians who are at a particular location.
- 34:37It's always a plurality.
- 34:40If you have a man who is serving as an elder and the other elders come to the realization that this man is not qualified to be an elder.
- 34:48They have a responsibility to remove him from the eldership.
- 34:57But what if they won't?
- 35:02Say again.
- 35:04All right, then none of them are qualified.
- 35:06That's accurate.
- 35:12By the way, I'm not looking for a book chapter verse answer for this because by the way, there are some issues where we don't always have a clear delineated set of steps.
- 35:24But let's examine one.
- 35:26Turn if you will.
- 35:33to third John.
- 35:51Someone tell me how this book begins.
- 35:56The Elder.
- 35:59John opens this letter.
- 36:03by describing himself as the elder.
- 36:09The elder to the beloved Gaius whom I love in the truth.
- 36:14And he's going to write a number of things, go down to verse five.
- 36:18Beloved, you do faithfully whatever you do for the brethren and for strangers who have borne witness of your love before the church.
- 36:28If you send them forward on their journey in a manner worthy of God, you will do well.
- 36:33because they went forth for His namesake taking nothing from the Gentiles.
- 36:39John is writing to these Christians in the first century and he's saying when you receive those who are going out doing missionary work and going out and reaching those who are
- 36:52lost and they come to you, you send them on.
- 36:57You make sure that they're taken care of and you make sure their work continues.
- 37:02because they're going out asking for nothing from the Gentiles, meaning they're probably Jews going out trying to take the gospel of the Gentiles and they're not asking them
- 37:12anything from those who they're teaching using basically Paul's methods of only asking for help from those who are already Christians.
- 37:21But he says, we therefore ought to receive such that we may become fellow workers for the truth.
- 37:27I wrote to the church.
- 37:30but diatrophes who loves to have the preeminence among them does not receive us.
- 37:37Therefore, if I come, I will call to mind his deeds, which he does, prating about us, or against us with malicious words, and not content with that, he himself does not receive
- 37:50the brethren and forbids those who wish to, putting them out of the church.
- 37:56Beloved, do not imitate what is evil, but do what is good.
- 38:02He who does good is of God, but he who does evil has not seen God." Now there's a little phrase in there.
- 38:14He says, if I come, I will call to mind his deeds.
- 38:23What is John saying?
- 38:32He says, if he's still in this role when I get there, he won't be in this role when I leave.
- 38:45Meaning that John is handing the authority to remove diatrophies over, he's handing the authority over to who?
- 38:56The congregation.
- 38:59Can the congregation remove an unfaithful, unqualified elder from being an elder?
- 39:07Yes, they can.
- 39:11And they must.
- 39:15Alright, now we have a problem.
- 39:17uh
- 39:22By the way, one of the reasons for all the qualifications and all the warnings in the qualifications is because there's no such thing as an easy way to get out an unqualified
- 39:37elder.
- 39:40The best, I'm gonna use one of the director of the School of Preaching where we attended back when we were there, Wesley Simons, he did a lesson one time on the best time to get a
- 39:50divorce.
- 39:52When is the best time to get a divorce?
- 39:56Before you're married.
- 39:58Do not marry someone who you shouldn't be married to because that's the only time you can get out without a problem is by not marrying them to begin with.
- 40:11When you install an elder who is not qualified to have that role, you are asking for a problem.
- 40:22When you have an elder who is installed as an elder and then after some period of time departs from that faithfulness that is required and those qualifications for being an
- 40:36elder, you are going to have a problem.
- 40:42And one of the biggest issues you have when you're trying to pull the weeds out of the flower bed.
- 40:54is that you can easily destroy what?
- 40:58Some of the flowers along the way.
- 41:01By the way, Jesus taught that over in the parable of the tares, because as the wheat begins to grow up out of the field, the workers in the field come to uh the owner and
- 41:17says, we found tares.
- 41:19The enemy has come in the night and he's sowed tares, because we didn't sow them.
- 41:22I mean, we sowed wheat.
- 41:24But now it's apparent that there's tares in the midst.
- 41:29And Jesus, through the parables, there's a period of time where you have to let the tares show and come to harvest, where you can discern the difference.
- 41:40Because the thing is, with tares and wheat, is they're in the growth state until they're in the fruit-bearing state.
- 41:47You can't always tell the difference.
- 41:52And so Jesus says, gotta let him grow.
- 41:54Now, that has a different application than an elder.
- 41:58He's not saying let an elder continue in the eldership, but I'm saying here's an illustration of someone who appears to be one thing early on, and it's only as the fruit
- 42:08starts being born you find out he's somebody else.
- 42:11Was there one more comment?
- 42:15seeing things in my years in different congregations, Matthew 18 is a helpful place to go when you have a situation with an eldership where you start on the small scale, the
- 42:25principle of starting small in an effort to handle it.
- 42:28You don't go from zero to catastrophic and cause a scene either.
- 42:32There are some very good biblical principles in how we handle situations with people who are no longer qualified that can help keep a congregation from splitting or from souls
- 42:44being lost along the way.
- 42:46There are a number of uh passages and a number of things that we can gain and we'll examine some of those as we go through our discussion about what can be done when you have
- 42:58someone in an eldership who is no longer qualified.
- 43:01And we'll have some discussion on that before we're finished, but for today, we are dismissed.
- 43:05Thank you for your attention.