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Tova Noel And The Transcript From Her Congressional Testimony (Part 8) (6/22/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off with a tovin Owell interview with Congress. Question, Okay,
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  some of these other inmates coming and going. At three
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  point fifteen, inmate Fernandez left the shoe for a dry
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  cell NRA. That's forty five minutes before you arrived. Did
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  anybody mention that to you at the time? Answer? No question.
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  And then during your shift there were a few more departures.
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  So somebody named Hemingway departs at six thirty four pm,
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  and then a few minutes later an inmate named Red
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  also leaves. Those are both in your first two to
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  three hours of work. Do you recall anybody mentioning or
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  I guess would you have seen Hemingway or read leave
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  the shoe? Answer? To be honest, I don't recall these
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  two inmates leaving. Question got it? Would that likely be?
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  Would you physically be in the shoe essentially during your
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  entire shift? Answer? I would be in the shoe my
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  entire shift, and I went to the bathroom on ten south.
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  Question understand, and so I guess is it? The likeliest
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  scenario is these guys leave, but you don't necessarily recall
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  sitting here today that happening. Answer correct question, okay. And
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  then at eight twenty one pm, Felix and Williams leave
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  for suicide watch, and you just describe before what suicide
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  watch was. Do you recall those two inmates leaving? Answer?
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  I don't question okay. And around eight thirty am, an
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  inmate named Garcia Penya moved into the shoe. That's the
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  only inmate we're aware of coming into the shoe that day.
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  Do you have any recollection of mister Garcia Pena arriving? Answer,
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  no question, okay. So it ends up being I think
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  a total of six inmates leaving, one arriving that day,
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  you don't really have any recollection gets cut off by
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  noel of any of that. No question, okay. Is it
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  right that as far as you remember, mister Epstein was
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  out of the shoe most of the day with the lawyers.
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  Answer correct question. Okay. So you started your first shift
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  at four pm, and right away it would have been
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  time for the four pm count. Is that right? Answer?
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  Correct question? That count slip I think was signed by
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  yourself and the evening watch officer in charge there was
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  some question about whether or not that count happened. Sitting
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  here today, to the best of your recollection, did you
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  or your colleagues conduct the four pm count? Answer? I
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  didn't conduct the four pm count. Question since there was
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  a total of three of you, do you know whether
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  the other two guards conducted the four pm count? Answer?
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  I don't recall. Question okay, I think your signature was
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  on the four pm count slip though, Is that correct
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  as far as you know? Answer? I think so. Question
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  with respect to mister Epstein's phone call, which we understand
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  to be sometime around seven pm, mister Epstein, this is
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  our best understanding, and then I'll ask you answer okay,
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  question our understanding. Mister Epstein was escorted to the shoe
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  shower area, so that gets cut off by Noel. Correct question,
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  so that he can make a phone call. The phone
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  call was not monitored or recorded, and mister Epstein was
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  left alone for the conversation. Do you have any knowledge
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  of that personally? Answer yes? Question okay, what's your recollection
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  of that? Answer? Mister Epstein came into the shoe with Bullock.
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  Bullock placed him in the shower, plugged in the phone,
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  and gave it to him. He didn't say anything to
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  any of us, and he left. After a long while,
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  he called. I answered the phone, and he said, take
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  the phone from Epstein because his time is up. I
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  went to the shower cell and I told him that
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  his time was up, and I took the phone from
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  mister Epstein. Question and the he is Bullock? Answer Bullock correct, redacted. Okay.
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  Did you would you have been able to overhear any
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  of the conversations from wherever you were sitting at the time?
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  Answer no question. Did you overhear any conversation when you
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  came in to take the phone from Epstein? Answer no question?
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  Did Epstein? Well, let's do this. What did you say
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  to mister Epstein when he entered the shower area. Answer
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  that Bullock told me to take the phone from him
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  because their time was up. And he told me okay,
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  And he told the person by question and that's it
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  as far as you remember. Answer correct. Question. It sounds
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  like Epstein was on a line that's supposed to be
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  for calls with lawyers, which this was not. Were you
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  familiar at the time with how inmate phone calls were
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  normally supposed to work at the MCC Answer not in
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  the shoe, I'm not familiar. Question if you remember, did
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  you have a sense at the time that this was
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  an unusual setup for an inmate's phone call? Answer no question.
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  It didn't look out of the ordinary to you. Answer no,
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  because the jacks don't work, so you have to put
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  them where the jack is working. But I learned that
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  after it was unmonitored. As far as what's monitored and
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  what's not monitored, I don't know. Question do you recalling
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  your time in the shoe seeing Bullock or anybody at
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  Bullock's level, I guess anybody from mcc staff putting an
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  inmate in that shower area for a phone call? Answer yes,
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  question okay. Can you estimate, maybe roughly how many times?
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  Answer I can't. Maybe two question And if you can recall,
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  would that have occurred with an inmate other than Epstein?
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  Answer yes, question okay, So it did not strike you
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  as something unprecedented that you had never seen before. Answer
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  no question. You also mentioned to the IG that you've
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  fed Epstein dinner sometime after his phone call, after he
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  went back to his cell. Is that right? Answer correct?
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  Question Do you recall roughly what a time that would
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  have been answer, I don't have a time. Question would
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  it have been before or after the ten pm count? Answer?
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  It would have been before question okay? And roughly what
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  time would he have gone back to his cell from
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  the phone call? I guess seven fifteen or seven thirty?
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  Answer or about eight after eight? Question? Got it? Okay?
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  Answer because after the phone was taken from him, he
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  wasn't moved right away. He was left in the in
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  there in the shower because you can't move an inmate
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  when order leads are out, because they can't cross each other.
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  So he wasn't moved right away. He was left in there,
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  and then I went to the bathroom, and when I
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  came back, he was moved. He was in his cell.
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  Question could you estimate, to the best of your recollection,
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  how long you would have been left in the shower
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  area after the phone was taken from him? Answer about
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  ten minutes. Question And it sounds like there were order
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  leads out and about doing work at the time. Answer correct.
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  Question Was this normal that the order leads sort of
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  every night in the shoe would be out doing work
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  or did that change from day to day? Answer? It
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  would change? Question okay, just on the particular day they
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  were out. Answer correct question. Okay. With respect to feeding
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  mister Epstein, dinner, was that at the same time that
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  you've fed everybody in the Shoe? Answer no question, okay,
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  it was specifically mister Epstein. Answer correct. Question Was that
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  just because that's when he got back from the phone call?
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  Answer because feeding would have been at four when I
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  come onto my shift. Where everybody eats from downstairs, Epstein
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  doesn't eat from downstairs. He eats what we called common
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  fare because he's kosher. Question got it? So he's getting
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  food from a different source because of a kosher restriction. Answer? Yeah,
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  So the inmates get like like prepared cook food, he's
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  like a prepackaged like you warm it in the microwave
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  and you give it to him. Question and would he
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  typically have his dinner? What time does everybody else have dinner?
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  Answer at four after four? Question okay, and his would
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  typically be later because he's not getting back from the
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  conference room. Answer correct question. Can you recall other inmates
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  that got their meals from a similar kind of prepackaged arrangement,
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  whether it's kosher or some other restriction? Was that common
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  or uncommon? Answer? In the Shoe nobody else had that
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  only Epstein that I can recall. And what can you
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  recall about your interaction if there was one with Epstein
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  when you brought him as dinner, did he say anything
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  to you? Answer? No, there's a food slot in the door.
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  So Davis put the food in the microwave. And then
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  Davis had the grill key. So he opened the grill
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  and I like, open the food slot, and I gave
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  it to him and he took it and he said
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  thank you, and I closed the food slot back. Question?
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  Got it? So two people traveled to bring a meal
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  to a cell? Answer? Right? Because every time it's always
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  going to be two in the shoe because somebody has
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  to open the grill. Question. So is it right that
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  anytime a guard goes into a tear in the shoe
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  there have to be two guards? Answer supposed to question
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  supposed to be answer? Correct question? Okay, all right, I
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  know I mentioned the one inmate that arrived into the shoe.
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  Garcia Penya. I think you said it, but you have
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  no recollection or knowledge of him as an inmate or
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  as a rival. Is that correct? Answer? Correct question? Okay?
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  And we found a document somewhere that suggested is transfer
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  into the shoe had to do with a tobacco related infraction.
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  Would that be something that you had seen before, the
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  type of thing that would land an inmate in the shoe?
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  Answer correct question. This is to be the best of
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  your memory. Were any of the cells in the shoe?
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  How about just an Eltier if you can recall empty
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  that night or in the whole shoe? Did every cell
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  have at least one inmate in it? Answer to the
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  best of my recollection, I think everybody had one except Epstein. Question.
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  Can you say that one more time for me? Answer
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  to the best of my recollection, I think everybody had
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  one except Epstein question, meaning every buddy had a cell
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  mate Answer correct question. So the best of your recollection,
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  Epstein was the only person alone in his cell in
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  the entire shoe that night. Answer to the best of
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  my recollection. Yes, question, And you have no recollection of
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  any of your colleagues or yourself having any kind of conversation,
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  because that would look even more out of the ordinary,
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  that there's only one inmate alone and it's Epstein. There
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  was no conversation about that. Answer No, If it wasn't
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  Epstein and it was another inmate alone, it's not uncommon though,
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  if they're alone, because people leave all the time to
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  go to general pop or if people get released, so
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  the one inmate is not like suspicious, Like if I
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  saw one person in a cell and it just happened
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  to be him, but it wouldn't have raised suspicion. Just
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  to be clear and question, and I'm just thinking out loud,
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  but if six people left the shoe that day, is
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  it possible that not every cell had because you would
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  never have a cell with three inmates in the shoe? Right, answer, right, question,
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  So it is a pop that there may have been
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  some other cells somewhere in the shoe gets cut off
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  by Tovin Noel. Probably they didn't have one, but I
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  can't recall who or if at this present time. Question
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  I understand with respect to the ten PM count, there's
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  some question in the IG report about the extent to
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  which you or your colleagues conducted that count. We know
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  that there were movements around the time, and some debate
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  about whether that is officially part of the count or not. Answer,
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  uh huh. Question from your point of view sitting here today,
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  did you conduct that ten pm count? Answer from my
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  point of view sitting here today, I conducted the ten
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  pm count improperly because it was done by myself. Question
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  what do you recall? Can you describe your recollection of
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  conducting that ten pm count for us? What do you
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  remember about what you did and around when you did it? Answer?
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  I entered every tier and counted the inmates. Epstein doesn't
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  sleep on his bed. He sleeps on the floor. He
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  puts the mattress on the floor. So when you're conducting account,
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  you look in the window of each tier and you count.
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  And I went up and down every tier, and I
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  counted by myself. Question and did you fill out account slip? Answer? Yeah, question,
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  and there was some mention in the IG report that
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  all may have occurred, you know, around ten thirty, after
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  the official account had been cleared the ten pm count
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  by control. Is that possible from your point of view?
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  Answer about the count slip question, Yeah, that your counting
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  may have occurred maybe around ten thirty when the control
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  Central Control had already cleared the paperwork. Answer, oh, that,
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  I don't know. Noelle. Just to clarify, the starting count
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  time is ten, but you're not. It's an institutional count.
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  So on the other units, they're waiting for internal to
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  come and count with them, So the count would never
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  be cleared like directly at ten, because you're going through
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  the whole building, going to each unit for everybody to count,
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  and you're waiting on them. So the count the count
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  time is that ten, but you're not necessarily so you're
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  in the vicinity of after ten counting. It could be
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  ten to fifteen, it could be ten thirty, and then
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  after the whole building has counted, then they would have
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  to clear the count. I don't know anything about them
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  clearing the count before I counted. All right, folks, we're
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  gonna wrap up this episode right here, and in the
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  next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up
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