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60. When the Heart Leads: Constellations Beyond Method and Into Life with Lucìa Vàzquez · Constellations and all that...

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  Tracy: Kiona and welcome to Constellations and all that.
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  Tracy: I'm your host, Tracy Cartwright, and together we will be exploring the world of family constellations with facilitators for and clients from around the world, looking at different perspectives and experiences in the work, having a cup of tea, and just chatting with some friends around their experiences in constellations.
• 0:18
  Tracy: We'd love for you to join us.
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  Tracy: I hope that you enjoy this series as much as I have loved making it.
• 0:25
  Tracy: Kiata everyone.
• 0:27
  Tracy: I'm so excited to have Lucia on my show today.
• 0:31
  Tracy: So welcome Lucia, all the way from Mexico.
• 0:34
  Tracy: Welcome
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  Lucia: guys.
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  Lucia: Thank you very much, Tracy, for the invitation, uh, with this, uh, technology.
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  Lucia: Now we are close.
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  Lucia: It's good.
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  Lucia: The technology now for that, for the communication.
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  Lucia: It
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  Tracy: is, it's fantastic.
• 0:46
  Tracy: Hey, I'd love for you to introduce yourself.
• 0:48
  Tracy: Um, share your last name 'cause I really was not, it was not sticking in my memory banks and my pronunciation.
• 0:53
  Tracy: I don't want to, to mispronounce it.
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  Tracy: So I'll invite you to share it and a little bit about yourself.
• 0:58
  Lucia: Okay.
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  Lucia: Uh, well, my name is Lucia Vasquez.
• 1:01
  Lucia: I'm from Mexico City.
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  Lucia: Uh, now I'm living in Chiapas, that's a famous state in Mexico because of the Mayan, the Maan culture.
• 1:09
  Lucia: I have my life in two parts.
• 1:12
  Lucia: The first part, I used to work, uh, with administration.
• 1:16
  Lucia: I worked 23 years for administration, and later, uh, I met constellations by, uh, for a personal work.
• 1:24
  Lucia: I was really surprised with the, with the results and with the work and with the, with the field we got in and I decided to change my, my life.
• 1:36
  Lucia: I renounced to, I say goodbye to my job and I started to study full-time Constellation, so it takes me more or less.
• 1:46
  Lucia: Three years, three and a half years, and my teacher invite me to work with him teaching the, the science of constellations.
• 1:55
  Lucia: So it's, uh, in that way I learn a little more after almost 25 years that I have been, uh, working with constellations and learning.
• 2:05
  Lucia: I joined both, both, uh, ways, the administration and the personal, uh, develop of myself.
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  Lucia: It was, uh, funny, but I could make it.
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  Lucia: Because I took a degree with the heart, so to look the constellation through the heart, and they make me join both parts of my life, the administration and constellations.
• 2:30
  Lucia: So that why, that's why I suggest to talk about, to see the constellations through the heart, through the side of the heart, because it's my way.
• 2:40
  Lucia: So
• 2:40
  Tracy: lovely.
• 2:41
  Tracy: Fantastic.
• 2:42
  Tracy: I'd love to hear more about that.
• 2:43
  Tracy: And I just wanna say, I was just doing the maths when you were talking about that and it's like, no way.
• 2:48
  Tracy: That would mean you were, well, potentially late fifties, early sixties.
• 2:52
  Tracy: I would not think that.
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  Lucia: Um, no, I'm 62.
• 2:56
  Tracy: No, I'm 63.
• 2:57
  Tracy: How do you be?
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  Tracy: You don't look 62.
• 2:59
  Lucia: It's because, yes.
• 3:04
  Lucia: Oh, wow.
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  Lucia: I started, uh, when I was 18, so very, very young.
• 3:09
  Tracy: I,
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  Lucia: I used to work and study and I, I decided with constellations when I was more or less my, my coach with constellations.
• 3:19
  Lucia: I was 39.
• 3:21
  Lucia: For a personal work.
• 3:22
  Lucia: Yeah.
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  Lucia: So I love, I love the philosophy and I, when I get, uh, the office the next Monday, I say, my boss, I met philosophy, or I don't know how to to call it fantastic magic and I wanna bring here.
• 3:39
  Lucia: And he said, but how it works, I, and I said, I don't know.
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  Lucia: The only thing I know is that it's magic and it works.
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  Lucia: How, I don't know.
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  Lucia: And I began to, to bring the philosophy to my job and the family.
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  Lucia: Oh, okay.
• 3:55
  Lucia: First, all the workers started to work personal things, no.
• 3:59
  Lucia: Mm-hmm.
• 4:00
  Lucia: With my master and after they were as, um, they had an internal feeling of, of peace and, and a new window in the life that they decided to bring their families.
• 4:13
  Tracy: Beautiful.
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  Lucia: And the environment in the, in my job, change change a lot, a lot.
• 4:19
  Lucia: So it's fun.
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  Lucia: No, it's fun because, uh, I never imagined that it could happen in my job.
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  Lucia: In the 2000 years, this philosophy was not accepted as now.
• 4:32
  Tracy: Yeah.
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  Lucia: You know, the, the companies, they, it was hard that a company accept this philosophy and they accept,
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  Tracy: so you do a lot of this where you are now, you do you now that you've blended the administration and constellations and added your heart magic with it, Hey.
• 4:47
  Lucia: Okay.
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  Lucia: Uh, now, well, in that time I had two feelings.
• 4:52
  Lucia: The first one, my personal feeling that it was magic and I could understand many things that I was leaving and after.
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  Lucia: I thought that if in the company the people work in the place, they, they need to place and match with the company and the productivity could increase and they'll be happy just because the employees were happy.
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  Lucia: So I realized that, and, and in the time, in the time I learned that when the employees are in the, in their place, they produce more than if they are not,
• 5:32
  Tracy: and their place when they're in their place.
• 5:34
  Tracy: Yes, yes, yes.
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  Lucia: So, and it applies with the philosophy, the Japanese philosophy of quality that is called tota.
• 5:42
  Lucia: The tota plan that comes from Japan and all the work we started to work with the quality of the feelings of the people in the job.
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  Lucia: I dunno if, if I explain it well in, in English.
• 5:57
  Tracy: Yeah, I think so.
• 5:58
  Tracy: Yeah.
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  Tracy: Working with the qualities of, of the people in the job.
• 6:00
  Tracy: Absolutely.
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  Tracy: And, and that would be bringing out their better qualities too, wouldn't it?
• 6:04
  Tracy: Like clearing what's blocking them and,
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  Lucia: yes.
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  Tracy: Yeah.
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  Tracy: Fantastic.
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  Lucia: Because if you take your place in your family, it's easier.
• 6:12
  Lucia: You take your place in your job, in your relations, in everywhere.
• 6:17
  Tracy: It's quite often that people, um, may have an issue with their boss that is actually reflecting something in their family system, right?
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  Lucia: Yes.
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  Lucia: So,
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  Tracy: does that make sense?
• 6:24
  Tracy: Yeah,
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  Lucia: yeah.
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  Lucia: Yeah.
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  Tracy: So maybe a parent or, or a sibling?
• 6:28
  Lucia: No.
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  Lucia: Well, I mean, if you take your place in your family, it's easier that you take your place in your job.
• 6:35
  Tracy: Yeah.
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  Lucia: If you take your place in your family, it's easier you take your place in the society on or with any relation because you able to distinguish.
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  Lucia: The, the dingle, the, the relationship you have with each person.
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  Lucia: If it's my parents, if they are my brothers, if they are my companions at, at the job, if they are my friends, if, if they are my husband, my wife, my, which relation I have with.
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  Lucia: So if you are in your place, it's easier.
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  Lucia: And how you can get your place when you are in your heart because your heart have has the ability.
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  Lucia: To put you on side, to put you in the present.
• 7:24
  Lucia: So all the conflicts in life are passed, not present.
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  Lucia: And some of the, the, the memories that you have are not yours.
• 7:33
  Lucia: No.
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  Lucia: Maybe from another person.
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  Lucia: And the feeling, how do you say Tracy, when you past on Yes.
• 7:41
  Lucia: To pass on generation
• 7:43
  Tracy: entangled.
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  Lucia: Yes.
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  Lucia: And it's not yours, but if you're in your place, the feeling is with a person who belongs it.
• 7:53
  Lucia: No.
• 7:54
  Tracy: Yes.
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  Lucia: So the heart, that's what I learned, that the heart gives you the possibility to live in present.
• 8:01
  Tracy: Mm.
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  Lucia: And if you are in the present, the, the, the, the body, the mind is alive and it.
• 8:13
  Tracy: So if you're in the present, your heart, your body is aligned.
• 8:16
  Tracy: Yeah.
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  Tracy: And helps you find your place.
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  Lucia: Yes.
• 8:18
  Tracy: I love that.
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  Tracy: Yes.
• 8:20
  Tracy: So clear and so, so yeah.
• 8:23
  Tracy: On the spot.
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  Tracy: Perfect.
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  Lucia: Yeah.
• 8:26
  Lucia: And uh, another thing I learned is that, uh, the heart, never forget they have all your story, but at the same time.
• 8:36
  Lucia: Because, uh, it's in your body.
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  Lucia: The memories of your ancestors is into, and the, and the heart can help you to define which is yours and which is the others.
• 8:48
  Lucia: It's very power because in the heart, and there are many proofs, is your soul.
• 8:54
  Tracy: Mm-hmm.
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  Lucia: And your soul contains levels.
• 8:58
  Lucia: Levels, okay.
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  Lucia: And at the same time is the light that gives you the possibility to breathe and be alive.
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  Tracy: The light?
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  Lucia: Yes.
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  Tracy: Yeah,
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  Lucia: the light of the life.
• 9:09
  Tracy: The light of life absolutely.
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  Lucia: Is the part of our body that contains your.
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  Lucia: Your life, your story, and your divinity.
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  Tracy: Your heart.
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  Lucia: Your heart.
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  Tracy: Your heart contains your light, your story, and your divinity.
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  Lucia: When we are, allow your heart or our hearts, uh, to help us.
• 9:30
  Lucia: The che cons.
• 9:33
  Tracy: Mm, alchemy beautiful.
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  Tracy: Yeah, can I can feel that and allow it to come.
• 9:38
  Lucia: Yes.
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  Lucia: So there is a phrase, easy phrase to give your heart permission.
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  Lucia: My heart, love, heart.
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  Lucia: Uh, you contains my story and my divinity.
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  Lucia: Please help me with this and trust.
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  Tracy: So my heart, my loving heart, you contain my story and my divinity.
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  Tracy: Please help me with this.
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  Tracy: Is that correct?
• 9:59
  Lucia: Yes.
• 10:00
  Tracy: Beautiful.
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  Lucia: And your heart talks to you through
• 10:04
  Tracy: the beats.
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  Tracy: Through the beats.
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  Tracy: Yeah.
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  Tracy: So,
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  Lucia: exactly.
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  Tracy: So if someone's heart is skipping a beat.
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  Lucia: Yes.
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  Tracy: Or out of rhythm or
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  Lucia: fast like a melody like, but in this permission,
• 10:14
  Tracy: yeah.
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  Tracy: Do you have an example of someone who may be, maybe their heart is not beating properly?
• 10:20
  Tracy: Have you ever worked with someone with that?
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  Tracy: And then what comes from that?
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  Lucia: Yes.
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  Lucia: Uh, for example, the people who has a ache, a heartache,
• 10:30
  Tracy: heartache,
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  Lucia: for example, the people that suffers heartaches or, uh, um, how do I say, when the body's not working properly, health, something related with the health.
• 10:41
  Tracy: So
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  Lucia: it's because they are not in the present.
• 10:44
  Lucia: Okay.
• 10:45
  Lucia: Yeah, usually,
• 10:45
  Tracy: yeah.
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  Lucia: It's because, uh, the heart is closed to the relation.
• 10:50
  Lucia: Yeah.
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  Lucia: It's because the heart has no permission to love.
• 10:54
  Lucia: If we starts, uh, giving permission to our heart of loving and accepting, the heart accepts.
• 11:02
  Lucia: For example, in a, in a workshop, maybe the mind of a person analyze the situation, or maybe because they.
• 11:12
  Lucia: The soul is in the childhood,
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  Tracy: stuck in the, uh, in their, in their wound from being a child.
• 11:19
  Lucia: Yes.
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  Lucia: It's not easy to work with that the, with that person because it's in the child.
• 11:23
  Lucia: Mm-hmm.
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  Lucia: The heart gives you the possibility to reconci, reconcili, um,
• 11:32
  Tracy: reconciliate
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  Lucia: reconciliate from heart to heart.
• 11:36
  Lucia: Let's think about a person who was, that the parents hit, hit him or abused.
• 11:42
  Lucia: Yes.
• 11:43
  Tracy: Someone who was abused.
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  Tracy: Yeah.
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  Lucia: Yes.
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  Lucia: And at the same time, the, the, the parents abandoned left, left
• 11:50
  Tracy: abandoned.
• 11:51
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 11:51
  Tracy: Yes.
• 11:52
  Lucia: Okay.
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  Lucia: And, and the mind says, it's not possible for me understand that, um, my parents, uh, left me and at the same time, uh, hitting me all the time so they didn't bring food and the, the prime necessities I needed to cover.
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  Lucia: And it's hard.
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  Lucia: It's hard because the body, the body has memories and.
• 12:17
  Lucia: They work?
• 12:17
  Lucia: No, they work they mind at the same time, but the heart knows that sometimes the soul needs that environment to develop abilities, possibilities, and tools that we, we need in the future.
• 12:36
  Lucia: Resources.
• 12:37
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 12:37
  Lucia: Yeah,
• 12:38
  Tracy: yeah.
• 12:39
  Tracy: So, and painful resources, but resources.
• 12:41
  Tracy: Yeah.
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  Tracy: When we can work through them.
• 12:42
  Tracy: Yeah.
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  Lucia: Okay.
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  Lucia: So.
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  Lucia: Then just the heart understands what your soul needs to resolve or restore.
• 12:52
  Lucia: You need to restore, or what ability you need to develop.
• 12:55
  Lucia: Mm-hmm.
• 12:56
  Tracy: Yeah.
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  Lucia: So the heart knows the, the different levels of your consciousness.
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  Lucia: Just the heart and the reconciliation is easier when, for example, in a workshop, you bring the heart of the father and you bring the father.
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  Lucia: The, the client and you put them together and they talk with the melody of the, without bring my, my dictionary without, without intervention of.
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  Lucia: Thinking or thoughts without the intervention of emotions?
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  Lucia: Just the bits.
• 13:35
  Lucia: Just the bits.
• 13:36
  Tracy: And is, is that in a symbiosis or are you, are they touching each other's hearts or It's the energy that's flowing between,
• 13:43
  Lucia: for example, one rep, one person represents the father's heart.
• 13:48
  Lucia: Mm-hmm.
• 13:48
  Lucia: And one person represents the the son heart.
• 13:51
  Lucia: And you can see how the hearts, they get close and they embrace with love.
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  Lucia: And the bad is maybe not.
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  Lucia: Because it's the mind or the emotions.
• 14:01
  Lucia: And the result is when the hearts after hear each other, the beats and the real necessities to have that parents and to have that son, then the bodies starts to, to be closer, closer, closer.
• 14:17
  Lucia: And in a workshop you can see that, uh, the body and the heart put together.
• 14:24
  Lucia: Embrace, we mix both the movement of the constellation and the movement of the heart.
• 14:30
  Lucia: But this is
• 14:30
  Tracy: great.
• 14:31
  Lucia: We love that.
• 14:32
  Lucia: It's lovely.
• 14:32
  Lucia: Lovely.
• 14:33
  Tracy: Wow.
• 14:33
  Tracy: And who was your first teacher?
• 14:36
  Lucia: Uh, Sam.
• 14:37
  Lucia: Do you remember?
• 14:38
  Tracy: Ah, right, yes.
• 14:39
  Tracy: Oh, wow.
• 14:39
  Tracy: I
• 14:39
  Lucia: learned with Sam.
• 14:40
  Tracy: He's very, very amazing gentleman.
• 14:42
  Lucia: Yes, he has the, well, the most important things I learned with him is.
• 14:50
  Lucia: That the constellation are in the heart first and the second that constellations is a way of living.
• 14:59
  Lucia: It's a path to walk and to find the essential of each person you starts with you.
• 15:06
  Lucia: No, it's remember the essential part that you has.
• 15:12
  Lucia: Forget.
• 15:13
  Tracy: Yes.
• 15:14
  Lucia: Constellation, if you work with this site, uh, with the heart is to to, to get back the essential part of you and Constellation is the path.
• 15:26
  Lucia: Is the path.
• 15:27
  Tracy: It's, it's an, it's an ancient wisdom, I believe.
• 15:30
  Lucia: Yes.
• 15:31
  Tracy: Absolutely.
• 15:32
  Tracy: I'll way back to you.
• 15:33
  Lucia: It's a path that could be open.
• 15:37
  Lucia: All the different beliefs.
• 15:39
  Lucia: All all the cultures.
• 15:41
  Tracy: Yes,
• 15:41
  Lucia: all religions because accept all religions.
• 15:44
  Lucia: So, but, but you have to, to put.
• 15:49
  Lucia: Your heart, the force.
• 15:51
  Tracy: Can you
• 15:51
  Lucia: explain that?
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  Lucia: Your heart, your heart will guide you.
• 15:53
  Lucia: Your
• 15:53
  Tracy: heart
• 15:54
  Lucia: will guide you.
• 15:54
  Lucia: You don't have to be, uh, equal or, or do the same that the others.
• 15:59
  Lucia: No.
• 15:59
  Lucia: Your heart will tell you how to do.
• 16:02
  Lucia: How you do.
• 16:03
  Tracy: Yes.
• 16:04
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 16:04
  Lucia: And, and will tell you the time too at the same time.
• 16:08
  Lucia: And the biggest, biggest thing is I have learned is that.
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  Lucia: The heart contains the spirit, the love of the spirit, or the spirit love and this love.
• 16:22
  Lucia: Never judge.
• 16:24
  Lucia: Judge.
• 16:24
  Tracy: I said, when you say the heart of the spirit, are we talking the spirit of the divine or our own spirit?
• 16:30
  Lucia: The biggest Spirit.
• 16:31
  Lucia: The great spirit.
• 16:32
  Lucia: The spirit that embrace all of us.
• 16:34
  Tracy: Right.
• 16:35
  Tracy: Great.
• 16:36
  Tracy: I was a little bit like.
• 16:37
  Tracy: I wonder which spirit she's talking about because people have different interpretations of, of that, of the spirit of, well, I talk about spirit all the time and it's often the field talking to me.
• 16:47
  Tracy: You know, because there are the ancestors and the guides and the angels and the divine, and some people are only referring to the great spirit.
• 16:55
  Tracy: They're all, you know, God or whatever you wanna call it.
• 16:59
  Tracy: So yeah.
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  Tracy: Great.
• 17:01
  Tracy: Great for that.
• 17:01
  Tracy: Thank you.
• 17:02
  Tracy: I know that Family Constellations is, um, is, is quite well known in Mexico.
• 17:07
  Tracy: Mexico, um, but do you come across people that don't know about it?
• 17:12
  Lucia: Yes, I'm surprised of that.
• 17:15
  Tracy: And if, and if you do, how do you explain it?
• 17:17
  Tracy: How do you explain what you do?
• 17:18
  Lucia: Okay, I explain that it's like, um, radiography, when you, uh, radiography you understand it sounds radiography when you take a picture of, uh, of your body and you can see just the, the, the bones.
• 17:35
  Lucia: It's with x-rays.
• 17:36
  Tracy: Oh, photography.
• 17:37
  Lucia: Photography.
• 17:38
  Lucia: But, but not photography.
• 17:39
  Lucia: It's uh, when you take a photography to the body and you can see the bone's internal body.
• 17:46
  Tracy: Oh, yes, yes.
• 17:47
  Tracy: An x-ray.
• 17:47
  Tracy: Yes, you were, you were right.
• 17:49
  Tracy: Okay.
• 17:49
  Tracy: Yeah.
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  Lucia: Okay.
• 17:51
  Lucia: Of your soul.
• 17:51
  Tracy: Yes.
• 17:52
  Lucia: So, and we can see what is, what your soul needs.
• 17:57
  Tracy: I love it.
• 17:57
  Tracy: What a great description.
• 17:59
  Tracy: And that's the first time I've ever heard it described anywhere near that way.
• 18:02
  Tracy: It's great.
• 18:03
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 18:04
  Lucia: So how do you say in English radiograph, uh
• 18:07
  Tracy: oh, we will call it a, a photograph as photography, right?
• 18:10
  Tracy: Or an X-ray?
• 18:11
  Lucia: Yes, x-ray.
• 18:12
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 18:12
  Lucia: Okay.
• 18:13
  Lucia: When you take that photograph with x-ray, you can see your soul and maybe sometimes the people, the, the customers arrive and they say, I would like to do that, but.
• 18:30
  Lucia: If he takes or she takes a good picture of the soul, could, could realize that we need first another little piece.
• 18:40
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 18:41
  Lucia: No, because sometimes we ask for something that is.
• 18:45
  Lucia: After, after do something.
• 18:47
  Lucia: Did I explain?
• 18:49
  Lucia: Yes.
• 18:49
  Lucia: Like, uh,
• 18:50
  Tracy: yeah.
• 18:50
  Tracy: You're kind of asking for something, but actually there's another step in between that needs to be seen first.
• 18:56
  Lucia: Yes.
• 18:57
  Tracy: Something else?
• 18:58
  Lucia: Yeah.
• 18:58
  Lucia: Lemme bring a little, just, um, a little, my dictionary because I want to use this, this work.
• 19:04
  Tracy: Okay, good.
• 19:04
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 19:05
  Tracy: Very good.
• 19:06
  Lucia: The heart is like, like this, this, this place, this game is, uh, I'm gonna ask Puzzle game.
• 19:14
  Lucia: The heart is like a puzzle game.
• 19:16
  Tracy: A a puzzle.
• 19:17
  Tracy: Yes.
• 19:18
  Lucia: Yeah.
• 19:18
  Lucia: And it contains different pieces, so mm-hmm.
• 19:21
  Lucia: Sometimes when you take a, a picture with X-ray to the consultant or the customer, you can see that they need.
• 19:31
  Lucia: Peace before, no.
• 19:33
  Tracy: Mm-hmm.
• 19:33
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 19:33
  Lucia: And you can get it if you work with the heart.
• 19:37
  Tracy: Mm.
• 19:38
  Lucia: You know the level?
• 19:39
  Tracy: Yes.
• 19:40
  Tracy: Yes.
• 19:40
  Tracy: Because
• 19:41
  Lucia: the heart talks.
• 19:42
  Tracy: The heart talks.
• 19:43
  Lucia: And the representative who's representing the heart of the customer can, can say you what it needs.
• 19:50
  Tracy: Mm, beautiful.
• 19:52
  Tracy: Beautiful.
• 19:53
  Tracy: When you are, when you are working with, um, people in business, like in your administration, you work with the heart there, obviously, I mean, some people take constellations for business and, hold on, let me just clarify what I'm asking here.
• 20:08
  Tracy: So you're not doing organizational constellations.
• 20:11
  Lucia: Yes.
• 20:12
  Tracy: You are.
• 20:13
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 20:13
  Tracy: So how does that connect in, how would you bring in the heart into that?
• 20:18
  Tracy: Because it's, that's a real thinking sort of being, right?
• 20:22
  Tracy: And you wanna come down to the heart,
• 20:24
  Lucia: for example, in a company.
• 20:25
  Tracy: Mm-hmm.
• 20:25
  Lucia: In business.
• 20:26
  Lucia: In business.
• 20:26
  Lucia: In
• 20:27
  Tracy: a business.
• 20:27
  Lucia: And explain that everything has a deliberation.
• 20:32
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 20:33
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 20:33
  Lucia: And at the same time, the company contains a soul.
• 20:37
  Tracy: Mm. Okay.
• 20:38
  Tracy: Right.
• 20:38
  Lucia: Each company contains a, and each department.
• 20:42
  Lucia: At the same time is another sold many solds in the company.
• 20:47
  Lucia: Mm-hmm.
• 20:48
  Lucia: The sales sold, the commercial sold.
• 20:51
  Lucia: The production sold.
• 20:52
  Lucia: Okay.
• 20:53
  Lucia: Mm-hmm.
• 20:53
  Lucia: Mm-hmm.
• 20:53
  Lucia: So they have to work together.
• 20:56
  Lucia: To give to the customer the best result or the product they need.
• 21:00
  Lucia: And at the same time, I work with the soul of the customer or the client to know exactly what they need, because sometimes they said we need, but it's not really what the customer needs.
• 21:13
  Lucia: So I try to give a training to the company first to give the opportunity or to read their customers first.
• 21:24
  Lucia: To give the best option.
• 21:25
  Lucia: I, I mean, in sales, for example?
• 21:28
  Lucia: No, if it's just internal because they don't have a good communication.
• 21:33
  Lucia: I put the differents in the company and they connect, and at the same time, I used the orders of business at the same time, both things.
• 21:44
  Tracy: Okay.
• 21:45
  Lucia: So.
• 21:47
  Lucia: And there is, uh, an order too.
• 21:50
  Tracy: Yes.
• 21:50
  Tracy: That, that tweaks my curiosity.
• 21:52
  Tracy: I haven't heard that terminology before.
• 21:54
  Tracy: The orders of business.
• 21:55
  Lucia: Yes, because it's different.
• 21:57
  Lucia: Tracy, in the family, all the parts are included and we are not able to say goodbye any, any member of the family.
• 22:05
  Lucia: But in the business we can say goodbye some members because the, the propo, the, the purpose of a company is make money.
• 22:16
  Lucia: If someone of the employees is not working with the company to make money and it's just, uh, sat down, we can say goodbye.
• 22:25
  Lucia: But there are ways, you know, to say goodbye.
• 22:27
  Tracy: Yes.
• 22:27
  Tracy: So yes.
• 22:28
  Lucia: Okay, but we can say goodbye and and bring another person.
• 22:32
  Lucia: It's different in the family.
• 22:34
  Lucia: No.
• 22:34
  Lucia: In the family, we cannot, uh, exchange members of the family.
• 22:38
  Lucia: All are included.
• 22:40
  Tracy: But does a, does a residue of that person that was in the company stay there or, or is it that just acknowledging that they were part of that for that period of time?
• 22:49
  Lucia: Okay.
• 22:49
  Lucia: In the, in the company is the main reason of a company usually is make money.
• 22:55
  Lucia: Mm-hmm.
• 22:55
  Lucia: And they have priority on their, uh, okay.
• 22:59
  Lucia: The person who makes more, much money.
• 23:03
  Lucia: Has the priority.
• 23:04
  Lucia: Okay.
• 23:04
  Lucia: But at the same time, if we are, uh, looking for the organ grammar, OrganiGram,
• 23:10
  Tracy: oh, so it would be a genogram for a family, but it would be an organizational,
• 23:14
  Lucia: an organization.
• 23:16
  Lucia: There is a, um,
• 23:17
  Tracy: hierarchy,
• 23:18
  Lucia: organic grammar.
• 23:19
  Lucia: How do you call it?
• 23:20
  Lucia: Organ.
• 23:21
  Lucia: Lemme see.
• 23:22
  Tracy: Like a hierarchy.
• 23:23
  Tracy: Like a, a place of, um, an order.
• 23:26
  Tracy: Is that what you mean?
• 23:27
  Lucia: Yes.
• 23:28
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 23:29
  Lucia: Like a about the elevens?
• 23:31
  Tracy: Yes.
• 23:32
  Tracy: So like a genogram, but an organizational agram.
• 23:34
  Tracy: Okay.
• 23:34
  Tracy: Or gram, we'll make that word up, shall we?
• 23:36
  Tracy: Okay.
• 23:37
  Lucia: Uh, but this is one part.
• 23:40
  Tracy: Okay.
• 23:41
  Lucia: Uhhuh.
• 23:42
  Lucia: Okay.
• 23:42
  Lucia: The, the organogram is one part and who make much or more money is another part of the, of the orders of business conservation.
• 23:51
  Lucia: Okay.
• 23:53
  Lucia: So sometimes maybe there is an employee that has a lot of time, 20 years in the company and getting a new, new employee, but, and they, and, and this new begins to make more money than the other and it moves.
• 24:10
  Lucia: It moves, the new one gets more, more importance than the other.
• 24:15
  Tracy: Okay.
• 24:16
  Lucia: If the family is different,
• 24:17
  Tracy: so does that not put the other one out of order?
• 24:19
  Lucia: There are two orders.
• 24:21
  Lucia: The business,
• 24:22
  Tracy: right?
• 24:23
  Tracy: Yes.
• 24:23
  Tracy: Okay.
• 24:23
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 24:24
  Lucia: One because of the OrganiGram and the other, because of the production of the person,
• 24:31
  Tracy: right?
• 24:32
  Tracy: So one way they've come in and in the order and, um, their place in the.
• 24:36
  Tracy: Organization and the structure.
• 24:38
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 24:38
  Tracy: And then the other and their production and what they're bringing.
• 24:41
  Tracy: Bringing to the team, to the organization.
• 24:44
  Lucia: Okay.
• 24:44
  Lucia: Alright.
• 24:45
  Lucia: 'cause money in the company is the law.
• 24:48
  Tracy: So curious because I've been talking with about people.
• 24:51
  Tracy: About money with people and, and, and some people have, can have different, um, opinions on that.
• 24:55
  Tracy: So in an organization, money is love.
• 24:58
  Tracy: So how do you see that resonating in family systems with love and money?
• 25:02
  Lucia: No, in a family, love is love.
• 25:04
  Tracy: If someone had a blockage to money in a family system, is there a theme that comes through with that?
• 25:09
  Tracy: With love,
• 25:10
  Lucia: you mean a family business?
• 25:13
  Tracy: No, just a fa just a person and the family and they have a blockage to money.
• 25:17
  Lucia: Okay.
• 25:18
  Lucia: Sometimes the money in the family recompense or, or, um, let me, lemme find the word in English and, and not, uh,
• 25:27
  Tracy: recompense.
• 25:28
  Tracy: That would make sense.
• 25:29
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 25:29
  Lucia: Ent.
• 25:30
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 25:30
  Lucia: Okay.
• 25:31
  Lucia: Recompense ens, the thousands with money, for example, the father, they have, the father have to travel a lot.
• 25:39
  Lucia: The
• 25:39
  Tracy: father has to travel.
• 25:40
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 25:41
  Lucia: Yeah.
• 25:42
  Lucia: And he compares the family with gifts, with good schools, with cars.
• 25:48
  Tracy: Oh, he compensates?
• 25:49
  Tracy: Yes.
• 25:49
  Lucia: Yeah.
• 25:50
  Lucia: So the money works to compensate the time the father is out.
• 25:56
  Tracy: Yes.
• 25:57
  Tracy: Right.
• 25:57
  Lucia: Okay.
• 25:57
  Tracy: Mm-hmm.
• 25:58
  Lucia: Okay.
• 25:59
  Lucia: Is to, that's the, the, the, for example, when in a family, the father died.
• 26:06
  Lucia: And the mother, uh, has to, to pay the, the maintenance of five.
• 26:11
  Lucia: Mm-hmm.
• 26:11
  Lucia: Five child.
• 26:12
  Tracy: So the father dies and the mother has to pay for the children.
• 26:15
  Tracy: Yes.
• 26:16
  Lucia: Yes.
• 26:16
  Lucia: And the youngest of the brothers makes more money than the oldest?
• 26:21
  Tracy: Yes.
• 26:22
  Lucia: And, and he helps all the brothers.
• 26:25
  Lucia: Okay.
• 26:25
  Lucia: Okay.
• 26:26
  Lucia: The money helps.
• 26:28
  Lucia: To the order, the place for a while.
• 26:31
  Tracy: So the money that was given to the eldest helps for a while?
• 26:34
  Tracy: Yes.
• 26:35
  Lucia: To to be in another place.
• 26:37
  Lucia: Mm-hmm.
• 26:38
  Lucia: To be in another place.
• 26:40
  Lucia: Okay.
• 26:40
  Lucia: The younger, uh, should receive from the order.
• 26:43
  Tracy: Yes.
• 26:44
  Tracy: Because the orders have
• 26:45
  Lucia: flowed.
• 26:45
  Lucia: Right.
• 26:45
  Lucia: And it change.
• 26:46
  Lucia: It change because of the money.
• 26:48
  Tracy: So instead of
• 26:48
  Lucia: the young makes more money and helps all the brothers.
• 26:51
  Lucia: Yeah.
• 26:53
  Lucia: And with the money.
• 26:55
  Lucia: The younger pays for the new place he has in the family because to give money to the brothers or to all the system gives the, the youngest power over the others.
• 27:09
  Lucia: Okay.
• 27:09
  Tracy: Is that right?
• 27:11
  Tracy: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:11
  Tracy: I'm following you.
• 27:12
  Tracy: Yes.
• 27:12
  Lucia: Okay.
• 27:13
  Lucia: So, uh, with the money he pays the, the place.
• 27:18
  Lucia: Okay.
• 27:18
  Lucia: With the helping, uh, the young, the younger is making for the others gives the youngest power, more power over all of them.
• 27:28
  Lucia: All of all of the family.
• 27:30
  Tracy: Mm-hmm.
• 27:32
  Lucia: Okay.
• 27:32
  Lucia: So the money helps.
• 27:32
  Lucia: The money helps.
• 27:34
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 27:34
  Tracy: That's an interesting one.
• 27:35
  Tracy: 'cause it feels, it still feels for me, I don't quite understand.
• 27:38
  Tracy: That feels like there's a little bit of out of orderness, even though.
• 27:43
  Tracy: The money has helped.
• 27:44
  Tracy: Do you see that often do like how does that sit in a family system?
• 27:47
  Lucia: Usually it's common in the family, in the family business when the company,
• 27:53
  Tracy: right, the
• 27:53
  Lucia: family you can see frequently.
• 27:56
  Tracy: Okay.
• 27:56
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 27:57
  Tracy: And I guess also the, the youngest often sees a lot from the olders and elders in things that are passed down.
• 28:03
  Tracy: Right.
• 28:03
  Tracy: Maybe older siblings passed down things and give them back.
• 28:06
  Tracy: Because generally the youngest would give to the parents too, wouldn't they?
• 28:10
  Tracy: That's seen.
• 28:11
  Tracy: Often seen in family systems where the youngest, 'cause they've received so much from down through the system.
• 28:17
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 28:17
  Tracy: Yes.
• 28:17
  Tracy: Okay.
• 28:18
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 28:18
  Tracy: Now that's sitting better now that I retained or received that little bit of information.
• 28:22
  Tracy: Thank you.
• 28:23
  Tracy: Thank you.
• 28:23
  Tracy: Okay.
• 28:24
  Lucia: Uh, I think, well, I need a translator because that's what they need.
• 28:28
  Lucia: Oh,
• 28:29
  Tracy: you're doing a really good job.
• 28:30
  Tracy: Really good job.
• 28:30
  Tracy: I'm repeating some of the words so that it's clearer for others to understand a little bit of, um, your beautiful accent.
• 28:37
  Lucia: Um, this I, I'll go back to the heart.
• 28:41
  Lucia: With the recent example, when the youngest is making money for all the family to help all the family, the oldest of the family, they feel not so nice.
• 28:52
  Lucia: Not so nice,
• 28:53
  Tracy: but outta balance.
• 28:54
  Lucia: Yeah.
• 28:54
  Lucia: Yeah.
• 28:54
  Lucia: Because how the youngest is giving to the oldest and.
• 28:59
  Lucia: The reconciliation and the understanding could be positive
• 29:04
  Tracy: through the heart.
• 29:04
  Tracy: Yes.
• 29:04
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 29:05
  Lucia: Yeah.
• 29:05
  Lucia: Because sometimes there is no money to pay that, uh, that, uh, place to pay that level.
• 29:11
  Lucia: So
• 29:12
  Tracy: yeah,
• 29:12
  Lucia: sometimes when the hearts put together and they have a communication, the oldest could understand that is the mission of this, of, of, of his brother, the youngest brother, to help.
• 29:27
  Lucia: Because we don't know what the soul needs needs to restore in this life.
• 29:33
  Lucia: Just the heart knows.
• 29:34
  Lucia: So the
• 29:35
  Tracy: heart is so wise, isn't it?
• 29:37
  Lucia: Yes.
• 29:37
  Lucia: And in this communication, heart with heart, with the beats of one brother and the other could understand without mind and without emotions, the mission of each other.
• 29:49
  Tracy: Mm. Yeah.
• 29:51
  Lucia: No.
• 29:51
  Tracy: And, and, and I guess in that, in that understanding of each other's missions and there's an understand, there's a, um, an acceptance maybe or a yes.
• 30:00
  Lucia: The
• 30:00
  Tracy: acceptance.
• 30:00
  Tracy: Same.
• 30:01
  Tracy: The bigger picture of it here.
• 30:02
  Lucia: They accept, I accept your mission.
• 30:05
  Lucia: I accept my mission, and I respect, and the, and the respect comes because they have respect.
• 30:10
  Tracy: Mm. I have to say that you would be the perfect person to be teaching this because when I met you, your heart was just so big and so shining.
• 30:18
  Tracy: It was like, and you radiated within the room.
• 30:20
  Tracy: So perfect person to be teaching this.
• 30:23
  Lucia: Oh, thank you.
• 30:24
  Tracy: How was, um, the conference for you?
• 30:26
  Tracy: So you and I met at the ISCA conference in Merida, and there was quite a number of us.
• 30:32
  Tracy: There's, I think 150 all up.
• 30:34
  Lucia: Yes.
• 30:34
  Tracy: Something like that.
• 30:34
  Lucia: I, my conference was the first day and it was about constellations with the MA legacy through the hard side, you know.
• 30:44
  Lucia: So in, in the conference, in my conference with, uh, bathrooms or forms, with the mail calendar, the constellation can see very easy where is the heart of the customer.
• 30:59
  Lucia: Wow.
• 31:00
  Lucia: Okay.
• 31:01
  Lucia: We have 20 different, uh, maps or drawings like Mandela.
• 31:06
  Lucia: Mm-hmm.
• 31:08
  Lucia: Different meanings, the 20 mandala, and we put the oracle of a person with this mandala according with the date of birth, and they go.
• 31:19
  Lucia: To see where is the heart stop?
• 31:22
  Lucia: Where the heart stop.
• 31:23
  Tracy: Wow.
• 31:23
  Lucia: Where they live.
• 31:24
  Lucia: A little piece of, of their hearts.
• 31:26
  Lucia: Sometimes we live a little piece of our heart in a situation or in a bad, in a relation.
• 31:33
  Lucia: Okay, so
• 31:35
  Tracy: sorry.
• 31:35
  Tracy: So let me get this understanding.
• 31:36
  Tracy: So you have 20 different mandala.
• 31:39
  Lucia: Yes.
• 31:39
  Tracy: And each one pertaining to a part of the mine calendar.
• 31:43
  Lucia: Yes.
• 31:43
  Lucia: They have meanings, different meanings.
• 31:45
  Lucia: And, uh, your Oracle has five of these, 20 mandalas, five of, no.
• 31:53
  Tracy: Okay.
• 31:53
  Lucia: You have like Oracle, north, south, east, west, and Centra.
• 31:58
  Lucia: Right?
• 31:58
  Tracy: Yep.
• 31:59
  Tracy: You,
• 31:59
  Lucia: you have five of these, 20, you put your Oracle and at the same time you walk to see where your heart is.
• 32:07
  Tracy: Nice.
• 32:08
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 32:08
  Tracy: And
• 32:10
  Lucia: you make a movement and stand on the next level to feel.
• 32:16
  Lucia: The new aspect you need to work.
• 32:18
  Tracy: Okay.
• 32:19
  Lucia: And because they have meanings, because they have meanings, you can give the, the right word, uh, easily to the customer because you can see, you have to work with, uh, your health.
• 32:31
  Lucia: You have to work with your thoughts.
• 32:33
  Lucia: You have to work with your communication.
• 32:36
  Lucia: You should, when you don't have, excuse me, if I just have you should,
• 32:41
  Tracy: you could.
• 32:41
  Tracy: It could.
• 32:43
  Lucia: Yeah, it's one of the most beautiful interviews I have.
• 32:49
  Lucia: I feel li Limited because of the language, but in other occasion I'm gonna invite you to explain with, with the drawings and everything and we can share because it's really, really lovely.
• 33:02
  Lucia: I think so too.
• 33:03
  Lucia: We can make a point directly for that and we can walk with on screen with an scale.
• 33:09
  Lucia: Ah, you have, you have the mandala.
• 33:10
  Lucia: I was
• 33:10
  Tracy: gonna say, is this here?
• 33:11
  Lucia: Yes.
• 33:12
  Lucia: These are the 20 mandalas.
• 33:15
  Lucia: And then the numbers, it has 30 numbers, 20 numbers there.
• 33:20
  Lucia: The Mayan numbers, the, the Mayans are one of the most, uh, perfect, uh, calendars.
• 33:28
  Lucia: So with precision, with precis
• 33:30
  Tracy: precision,
• 33:31
  Lucia: okay, so each, each drawing have a different meaning.
• 33:36
  Tracy: So if you know your numbers like I did, my mind kept, I know.
• 33:39
  Tracy: So I'm a one.
• 33:40
  Lucia: Okay?
• 33:41
  Lucia: Okay.
• 33:41
  Lucia: The first one, this is the first one.
• 33:44
  Lucia: This is called drag, and it works for the beginnings.
• 33:47
  Lucia: All the beginnings.
• 33:48
  Lucia: The second one is for communication and it's called the, the third one is the mystery of life and the intuition.
• 33:58
  Lucia: The next is the.
• 34:01
  Lucia: Is our thought.
• 34:03
  Lucia: And at the same time, our sexuality, the union of the Sperma and the the, the yellow one.
• 34:11
  Lucia: The yellow one.
• 34:12
  Lucia: Oh no, the that one.
• 34:14
  Lucia: It's like the next is the knowledges.
• 34:20
  Lucia: All the knowledge.
• 34:20
  Tracy: Knowledge, yep.
• 34:21
  Tracy: Okay.
• 34:24
  Lucia: Yes.
• 34:24
  Lucia: Okay.
• 34:24
  Lucia: Okay.
• 34:25
  Lucia: Okay.
• 34:25
  Lucia: The next is the jinjiang, the life and the death
• 34:29
  Tracy: Yin Yang.
• 34:30
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 34:30
  Lucia: Women and, and, and, and men.
• 34:33
  Lucia: Okay.
• 34:34
  Lucia: Is and is the opportunity.
• 34:35
  Lucia: The next one is the, the health Concrete is, uh, when you get the things, when you hold the things.
• 34:43
  Lucia: Okay.
• 34:44
  Lucia: The black one.
• 34:45
  Lucia: Okay.
• 34:45
  Lucia: The jello is the construction and destruction.
• 34:48
  Lucia: Construction and destruction.
• 34:49
  Lucia: And the creativity.
• 34:50
  Lucia: And at the same time, is the art, dancing, singing that one,
• 34:55
  Tracy: right?
• 34:55
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 34:56
  Lucia: And the next is the purification is the water Is life.
• 35:00
  Lucia: Okay.
• 35:01
  Lucia: And is the connection with, with the violia.
• 35:07
  Tracy: Galactic stuff.
• 35:08
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 35:08
  Tracy: Right.
• 35:08
  Lucia: Yeah.
• 35:09
  Lucia: Yep.
• 35:09
  Lucia: The next one is the second aspect of the humans.
• 35:14
  Lucia: That is, uh, the loyalty.
• 35:18
  Lucia: Loyalty.
• 35:18
  Lucia: Loyalty.
• 35:19
  Lucia: Yeah.
• 35:20
  Lucia: Loyalty yourself and is to love yourself.
• 35:23
  Lucia: You have to love yourself.
• 35:24
  Tracy: You do have to, yes.
• 35:25
  Lucia: Okay.
• 35:26
  Lucia: The next is the, is the, the child, but the child address.
• 35:31
  Lucia: Is that the child is the, is the play when you take everything, not so serious when you
• 35:38
  Tracy: Yeah, so they, so they're healthy in a child.
• 35:40
  Lucia: Yeah.
• 35:41
  Lucia: Yeah.
• 35:41
  Lucia: But there, there are numbers.
• 35:43
  Lucia: No, there are numbers.
• 35:43
  Lucia: Sometimes, uh, sometimes you have a, as a goal, you have to learn to be, to be happy.
• 35:51
  Lucia: Uh, sometimes it's your purpose.
• 35:52
  Lucia: Sometimes you are happy and you put it to the service.
• 35:54
  Lucia: It depends on the number.
• 35:56
  Lucia: Okay.
• 35:56
  Lucia: This is another way.
• 35:57
  Lucia: Okay.
• 35:58
  Lucia: The next one is the wisdom.
• 36:00
  Tracy: Wisdom, yeah.
• 36:01
  Lucia: Okay.
• 36:01
  Lucia: Okay.
• 36:02
  Lucia: Uh, everything you have live mm-hmm.
• 36:04
  Lucia: You have, uh, your
• 36:05
  Tracy: knowledge, your wisdom
• 36:06
  Lucia: you have done in life.
• 36:08
  Lucia: Okay?
• 36:08
  Lucia: Yeah.
• 36:09
  Lucia: Uh, the next one is a connection with heaven and Earth.
• 36:13
  Tracy: Ah, yeah.
• 36:14
  Tracy: Connection above and below.
• 36:15
  Lucia: Yeah.
• 36:16
  Lucia: And at the same time is when you realize that you have just here in the, in the earth, that you are a divine person that is making a trip here in the, in the earth.
• 36:28
  Lucia: That's the meaning.
• 36:29
  Tracy: Mm-hmm.
• 36:30
  Lucia: The next is the mago.
• 36:33
  Lucia: Invite you to leave the present and it invites you for meditation too and to be receptive, to be open to receive.
• 36:41
  Lucia: The next one is the eagle, is to be objective, to look without emotions.
• 36:48
  Lucia: Without emotions.
• 36:49
  Lucia: Okay.
• 36:50
  Lucia: The next one, the yellow one, is the connection with the, the divine intelligence.
• 36:56
  Tracy: Ah, yes.
• 36:56
  Lucia: Okay.
• 36:57
  Lucia: The next one is, uh, the earth.
• 37:00
  Lucia: The earth is the symbol.
• 37:02
  Lucia: The earth receives the message from, from the divine and gives to the people in the earth and what the earth needs.
• 37:11
  Lucia: She gives the, the message to the divine.
• 37:14
  Lucia: It's the connection divine on earth.
• 37:16
  Tracy: Beautiful.
• 37:16
  Lucia: The next one is the order.
• 37:18
  Lucia: And is the true, is the true, the divine True.
• 37:21
  Lucia: But at the same time is the order
• 37:23
  Tracy: okay?
• 37:23
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 37:24
  Lucia: Okay.
• 37:24
  Lucia: And at the same time is the mirror that showed you, uh, in the others your true.
• 37:30
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 37:31
  Tracy: You can see that, how that would work.
• 37:32
  Tracy: In this one, it's very much a mirror.
• 37:33
  Lucia: Okay.
• 37:34
  Lucia: The next one is, um, it's like, um, the, when, when it's going rain, there is the storm.
• 37:41
  Lucia: Makes a noise.
• 37:42
  Lucia: How do you call it?
• 37:43
  Tracy: Thunder, thunder.
• 37:45
  Lucia: Thunder.
• 37:45
  Lucia: It's the thunder.
• 37:46
  Lucia: It's like a thunder that, that makes the, the things happen more easily.
• 37:53
  Tracy: Okay.
• 37:53
  Lucia: They push for the things happen.
• 37:55
  Lucia: Mm-hmm.
• 37:55
  Lucia: The thunder makes or push.
• 37:57
  Tracy: Well, it's clearing, isn't it?
• 37:58
  Tracy: That thunder?
• 37:59
  Tracy: Sound and lightning.
• 38:00
  Tracy: It's all like, it's clearing.
• 38:02
  Tracy: So clearing, yeah.
• 38:02
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 38:03
  Lucia: Catalyzer.
• 38:04
  Lucia: It's like a catalyzer,
• 38:05
  Tracy: yeah.
• 38:05
  Tracy: Catalyst.
• 38:06
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 38:06
  Lucia: Okay.
• 38:06
  Lucia: Okay.
• 38:07
  Lucia: The next one is the sun is the thing.
• 38:10
  Lucia: Condition analog.
• 38:12
  Lucia: I love because I talk sun.
• 38:13
  Lucia: Okay.
• 38:13
  Tracy: And unconditional love.
• 38:14
  Tracy: That's beautiful.
• 38:15
  Tracy: So for those who, uh, who are listening, if you jump onto YouTube, you'll get to see this.
• 38:20
  Tracy: Yes.
• 38:20
  Tracy: Rewind this a little bit and you'll get to see the whole calendar that what, um, Lucy is talking about.
• 38:25
  Tracy: And I'll see if I can
• 38:26
  Lucia: This the four colors you mean?
• 38:28
  Tracy: Oh yeah.
• 38:28
  Tracy: I'm just sort of showing it as much as I can before it disappears.
• 38:31
  Lucia: Okay.
• 38:31
  Lucia: Because
• 38:31
  Tracy: my screen
• 38:32
  Lucia: there is, there is a, a, the center is a of life.
• 38:35
  Lucia: And the meaning is that we have different ways to live the life.
• 38:40
  Lucia: That's the meaning.
• 38:41
  Tracy: So the spiral in
• 38:42
  Lucia: the center
• 38:42
  Tracy: is the, sorry.
• 38:43
  Tracy: The spiral in the center is the meaning of life and the different ways in which we live
• 38:46
  Lucia: life.
• 38:46
  Lucia: The center, the in, the circle, in the center, okay.
• 38:49
  Lucia: And the colors that are around the red is the, is the power.
• 38:54
  Lucia: Uh, the yellow is the light, the black is the mystery.
• 38:59
  Lucia: And the white is, uh, is the the truth.
• 39:03
  Tracy: Beautiful.
• 39:04
  Lucia: Okay.
• 39:05
  Lucia: And the numbers, there are 20 numbers.
• 39:08
  Lucia: Mm-hmm.
• 39:08
  Lucia: 1, 2, 3 on the, until 20.
• 39:11
  Tracy: Wow.
• 39:11
  Tracy: This, you could just do so much with that, can't you?
• 39:13
  Tracy: Like,
• 39:14
  Lucia: okay.
• 39:14
  Lucia: You can sit in the middle.
• 39:16
  Lucia: Yeah.
• 39:16
  Lucia: And you can feel that all the power of the calendar goes from the button, goes to and connects with the, with the Kevin.
• 39:25
  Lucia: I've
• 39:26
  Tracy: got it.
• 39:26
  Lucia: I'm just
• 39:27
  Tracy: beautiful.
• 39:28
  Lucia: What, who?
• 39:29
  Tracy: I'm just got it sitting on my belly right now.
• 39:30
  Lucia: Yeah, yeah.
• 39:31
  Lucia: Okay, okay.
• 39:32
  Lucia: Okay.
• 39:32
  Lucia: But it's good because your belly in, in the, the stomach is the connection with life.
• 39:38
  Lucia: So, so, um, put the intention and it works because the mandala, when you drop the
• 39:46
  Tracy: mandala Yeah.
• 39:46
  Lucia: Uh, you brings the energy of the power of the mandala.
• 39:53
  Lucia: So today we are living, uh, the mandala of the water that is purification and the connection with the.
• 40:01
  Lucia: That is the model of our, uh, our solar system, Theia, but is the good connection.
• 40:08
  Lucia: And the connection is and
• 40:10
  Tracy: oh, the amygdala.
• 40:12
  Tracy: Are you saying the amygdala or the, this is the,
• 40:13
  Lucia: no, no, no, no.
• 40:16
  Lucia: And let see.
• 40:18
  Tracy: Lost in translation here folks.
• 40:19
  Tracy: How grateful are we for ai?
• 40:21
  Tracy: To help us be able to communicate.
• 40:26
  Tracy: Oh, the Milky Way, right?
• 40:28
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 40:28
  Lucia: The Today is the way to connect with the Milky Way.
• 40:31
  Tracy: Oh,
• 40:31
  Lucia: for purification.
• 40:33
  Tracy: Wow.
• 40:34
  Tracy: I just look, 'cause I go outside at night, I take my dog out to go to the bathroom on the grass and I stand there and I look at the Milky Way.
• 40:41
  Lucia: Oh.
• 40:42
  Tracy: Um, I always, whenever I, whenever I see it, it's like, oh, the connection.
• 40:46
  Tracy: It's just like pouring through me.
• 40:48
  Tracy: So that makes absolute sense.
• 40:50
  Tracy: Yes.
• 40:50
  Lucia: The, the thing is, uh, when I met you by the interview that Sergio made us, I felt the power.
• 40:59
  Lucia: And I said I would like to, to meet that woman.
• 41:03
  Lucia: No, I told you.
• 41:04
  Lucia: I told you friend.
• 41:05
  Tracy: I remember you telling me.
• 41:06
  Lucia: Yeah.
• 41:07
  Lucia: I'm sure.
• 41:08
  Lucia: I'm sure that the connection you have with the nature will give you the opportunity that the mandalas talk to you.
• 41:17
  Tracy: Mm.
• 41:18
  Lucia: The you need no, if you draw the, the.
• 41:23
  Lucia: And color.
• 41:24
  Lucia: It's important.
• 41:25
  Lucia: The color, for example, today, the, the, the one that is red?
• 41:30
  Lucia: No, no.
• 41:30
  Lucia: Uh, the nine one, you know, which is the first one?
• 41:33
  Lucia: The nine one is today This
• 41:35
  Tracy: one.
• 41:35
  Tracy: Go on.
• 41:36
  Lucia: This is the one.
• 41:37
  Lucia: So count nine.
• 41:38
  Lucia: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 9. The 9 1
• 41:41
  Tracy: 5
• 41:42
  Lucia: is for today.
• 41:43
  Tracy: Books
• 41:44
  Lucia: seven,
• 41:44
  Tracy: eight.
• 41:45
  Lucia: The red, the red one.
• 41:46
  Lucia: The red.
• 41:46
  Lucia: No, no, no.
• 41:47
  Lucia: Before, before this.
• 41:49
  Lucia: The red one before air.
• 41:50
  Lucia: We are leaving today.
• 41:51
  Lucia: That one.
• 41:52
  Lucia: Okay.
• 41:53
  Lucia: The Galaxy one that's, that's called uh, galaxy Moon.
• 41:57
  Tracy: Ah,
• 41:58
  Lucia: moon.
• 41:59
  Tracy: Oh, it's, it's a, um, it's a new moon today.
• 42:02
  Lucia: Uh, I dunno, moon, but I think we're, we're, um, the Gregorian with the Maia, it's uh, aligned this year.
• 42:10
  Lucia: I dunno why, but is aligned.
• 42:13
  Tracy: Is your heritage Mayan?
• 42:15
  Tracy: So I know that I met some people in Mexico who would say.
• 42:18
  Tracy: That they didn't have Mayan heritage?
• 42:20
  Lucia: Ah, yes.
• 42:20
  Lucia: If we have still Mayans in Mexico you mean?
• 42:23
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 42:23
  Lucia: Yes.
• 42:24
  Tracy: But I'm asking are you personally Lucia?
• 42:25
  Tracy: Uh, what is your heritage?
• 42:27
  Lucia: No, I am from Mexico City.
• 42:29
  Lucia: I am, uh, I think I'm mixed from Spain and Mexico.
• 42:32
  Lucia: The
• 42:33
  Tracy: metic is.
• 42:34
  Tracy: Okay.
• 42:34
  Tracy: So when you say, I'm just trying to understand this, so Mexicans are not Mayan
• 42:38
  Lucia: Mayan?
• 42:39
  Tracy: Or is that something different?
• 42:40
  Lucia: Well, I have my story when I started learning Constellation one day.
• 42:46
  Lucia: I. To learn telepathy and I look for telepathy, no.
• 42:52
  Lucia: Mm-hmm.
• 42:53
  Lucia: I look for telepathy and my, my teacher answer, and she was the owner of, of, of, uh, bookstore.
• 43:02
  Lucia: And they print books too.
• 43:03
  Lucia: And she used to make the calendar too.
• 43:06
  Lucia: She was the, the first one in Mexico who used to make the calendar.
• 43:10
  Lucia: And she answered and she said, Lucia, the only thing you need is to be a line, a line.
• 43:16
  Lucia: And you can get it with Imagine Calendar.
• 43:19
  Lucia: And I said, uh, and where I can study with me, she said, with me.
• 43:24
  Lucia: And I started, but, uh, it was too much constellations with, uh, with, with the Imagine Calendar.
• 43:31
  Lucia: And in the time I realized that the Imagine Calendar means.
• 43:36
  Lucia: My father, father, and the constellation means my mother.
• 43:39
  Tracy: So like mine, calendar means your father.
• 43:42
  Lucia: Yeah.
• 43:42
  Lucia: And the means your mother, the have to make with my father.
• 43:45
  Lucia: And the, and the constellations means the work I have to make with my mother, you know?
• 43:51
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 43:51
  Lucia: My mother and with all my, my ancestors.
• 43:54
  Lucia: So, because when I born my, my grandmother sent the, the birth, my birth.
• 44:02
  Lucia: And it was my, my.
• 44:05
  Lucia: Grand grandmother, my mother, my grandmother, and my grand grandmother.
• 44:11
  Lucia: And so, uh, it was too strong for me.
• 44:15
  Lucia: It, it doesn't give the opportunity to, to accept the, the, the, the man.
• 44:20
  Lucia: No, they are, they were too, too.
• 44:22
  Tracy: All the strong woman around you.
• 44:24
  Lucia: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 44:25
  Lucia: Sure.
• 44:26
  Lucia: So when there were many legends.
• 44:29
  Lucia: That, uh, people said about my father because my parents divorced, so I I, I met my father once or two times in my life.
• 44:39
  Lucia: So when I studied the maja, I realized that the stories people talk about my father were according with the mission he had in life.
• 44:50
  Lucia: That's why I love, and that's why.
• 44:53
  Lucia: To put together for me is very important because I put together my parents in my heart.
• 44:58
  Tracy: I love that.
• 44:59
  Tracy: I love that.
• 45:00
  Tracy: That's so cool.
• 45:01
  Tracy: So cool.
• 45:01
  Tracy: So that's, so you could do so much with this, right?
• 45:04
  Tracy: There
• 45:04
  Lucia: is so much you can do.
• 45:05
  Lucia: Yeah, we can do, we can make a lot of, I, I, I develop, uh, um, method, methodology to consulate with the, with the, with the, and I think I am the only one in.
• 45:18
  Lucia: They were making this.
• 45:19
  Lucia: It's good.
• 45:20
  Tracy: Fantastic.
• 45:20
  Lucia: Fantastic.
• 45:21
  Lucia: Yeah.
• 45:21
  Lucia: I used to work with children in the past, and when I ask them, I, I give them all the drawings, the 20 drawings, and I ask, connect with your heart.
• 45:32
  Lucia: Let's read.
• 45:33
  Lucia: They breathe, and after I said, choose your, your drawing.
• 45:37
  Lucia: They choose the drawing.
• 45:38
  Lucia: Exactly.
• 45:40
  Lucia: They belong.
• 45:41
  Tracy: Mm, yeah.
• 45:42
  Lucia: The, the, the children, they, they connect very easy with the admire.
• 45:47
  Lucia: So later there are, there are 20, lemme tell you that there are 20 solar energies that are in the map.
• 45:54
  Lucia: You show me.
• 45:55
  Lucia: But there are 13 energy, lunar, lunar, moon, moon, uh, energies that are in the, in the, in the body, in the articulations, in the boat,
• 46:05
  Tracy: and joints.
• 46:06
  Lucia: Okay.
• 46:07
  Lucia: In the unions of your body, your, your, uh, knees,
• 46:10
  Tracy: your wrists, your elbows, your shot.
• 46:12
  Lucia: Yeah, yeah, sure.
• 46:13
  Lucia: So there.
• 46:15
  Lucia: So each one represents something.
• 46:18
  Lucia: So for example, the, the, the beginning is on, on the ankle where your feet finish.
• 46:25
  Lucia: Ankle, yeah,
• 46:26
  Tracy: ankle on the, on the ankle of your foot.
• 46:27
  Lucia: Yeah.
• 46:28
  Lucia: Yeah, yeah.
• 46:28
  Lucia: So it's the beginning.
• 46:30
  Lucia: So it has a meaning.
• 46:31
  Lucia: And later the knee.
• 46:33
  Lucia: The knees.
• 46:34
  Lucia: The knee.
• 46:34
  Tracy: Mm-hmm.
• 46:35
  Lucia: Knees.
• 46:35
  Lucia: So in the second, uh, yes.
• 46:37
  Lucia: And the
• 46:39
  Tracy: groin.
• 46:39
  Lucia: Yeah, groin.
• 46:40
  Lucia: The third, fourth
• 46:42
  Tracy: wrist.
• 46:44
  Tracy: Elbow six is the shoulder.
• 46:45
  Tracy: Seven is the head,
• 46:47
  Lucia: yeah.
• 46:47
  Lucia: 7, 8, 9.
• 46:51
  Tracy: Oh yeah.
• 46:51
  Lucia: So going
• 46:51
  Tracy: down the other side of the
• 46:52
  Lucia: body.
• 46:52
  Lucia: So
• 46:53
  Tracy: yeah,
• 46:53
  Lucia: the other knee.
• 46:54
  Lucia: And you finish with that.
• 46:56
  Lucia: So,
• 46:56
  Tracy: so, so hold on to the first one.
• 46:58
  Tracy: Is it the left or the right side
• 46:59
  Lucia: To the right
• 47:01
  Tracy: is the first one.
• 47:02
  Tracy: From the right up to the head and then back down to the left, right?
• 47:05
  Lucia: Yeah, yeah, sure.
• 47:06
  Tracy: Okay.
• 47:06
  Tracy: So
• 47:07
  Lucia: it's, uh, you can read it and if you, if you have a notice that your knee is, uh, the right one is, uh, not so good is because you have to work with the.
• 47:21
  Lucia: Ego.
• 47:21
  Lucia: Ego.
• 47:21
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 47:22
  Lucia: With ego.
• 47:22
  Lucia: With ego.
• 47:23
  Lucia: No, for example.
• 47:24
  Lucia: And the other one is because you are giving too much.
• 47:28
  Lucia: The
• 47:28
  Tracy: one is giving too much.
• 47:29
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 47:29
  Tracy: Right.
• 47:29
  Tracy: Lemme just write this down here.
• 47:31
  Tracy: I'm gonna take notes from you.
• 47:32
  Tracy: Someone I know very, uh, very closely has a lot of knee problems, so I'm just gonna see which, uh, knee is bothering them.
• 47:38
  Lucia: I have, uh, one of the translators in the, in the, she offered me to translate my.
• 47:49
  Lucia: Yeah, my workshop.
• 47:50
  Lucia: And she said, Lucia, I would like to translate that also, please, uh, ask me.
• 47:55
  Lucia: So maybe one day, if you like, we can add here for translation.
• 48:00
  Lucia: She's really, really nice.
• 48:02
  Lucia: I don't know if you remember is, uh, she translate.
• 48:07
  Lucia: She lives in
• 48:08
  Tracy: Kapa.
• 48:08
  Lucia: Is
• 48:08
  Tracy: it,
• 48:08
  Lucia: uh,
• 48:09
  Tracy: Brittany.
• 48:09
  Tracy: Brittany,
• 48:10
  Lucia: yeah.
• 48:10
  Lucia: Yeah, sure.
• 48:11
  Tracy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 48:12
  Tracy: Beautiful.
• 48:12
  Lucia: She's really, really nice.
• 48:14
  Lucia: And, and we match.
• 48:16
  Lucia: And she said, Lucy, I offered you to translate your, your, your workshops online without problem.
• 48:23
  Lucia: So
• 48:23
  Tracy: Fantastic.
• 48:24
  Tracy: So you run workshops online?
• 48:26
  Lucia: Yeah.
• 48:26
  Lucia: And I, I want to offer my.
• 48:28
  Lucia: My work.
• 48:29
  Lucia: Okay.
• 48:29
  Lucia: Because
• 48:29
  Tracy: let me know.
• 48:30
  Tracy: Um, I think, what's the time there now?
• 48:32
  Lucia: It's 12.
• 48:32
  Lucia: I could like to to start on February, but I could like to share with the Manion.
• 48:36
  Lucia: With the manion, but it, it takes a a, a period because first we have to learn.
• 48:43
  Lucia: And memorize.
• 48:44
  Lucia: And after, uh, we have to, to match with our parents, for example, with the, with the young people.
• 48:52
  Lucia: With the, a. Adolescents.
• 48:53
  Lucia: Adolescents,
• 48:53
  Tracy: yep.
• 48:54
  Lucia: Yeah.
• 48:55
  Lucia: Uh, it's, it's easy to work with, with the, with the mags because.
• 49:00
  Lucia: They learn what their parents give them because we can match and make a, um, so smart to, plus we lost the energy of our parents with ours.
• 49:12
  Lucia: For example, if I plus my mother energy with mine, she gives me the to of the vision.
• 49:19
  Lucia: If I applause my, my energy with my father, he gives me the opportunity to learn.
• 49:27
  Lucia: So the, the, the guys learn what their parents, they are giving you.
• 49:33
  Lucia: They are giving them, they are giving them, and they, they get a complication.
• 49:38
  Lucia: So they respect the parents and they, they respect themselves.
• 49:42
  Lucia: Absolutely.
• 49:43
  Lucia: Work with the young people.
• 49:44
  Lucia: With young people and, and children's.
• 49:46
  Lucia: It's very, very good.
• 49:48
  Lucia: Oh, with me, I love my father.
• 49:50
  Lucia: After, uh, I forget all the stories that people talk about my.
• 49:55
  Lucia: My father after Reef, what was his mission in life?
• 50:00
  Tracy: That's, I love that.
• 50:01
  Tracy: That's so great.
• 50:02
  Tracy: And I think how many lives, I mean, how many young ones could potentially find a new way forward taking the strength from that, right.
• 50:09
  Tracy: The gifts from the appearance in the, in that way.
• 50:11
  Tracy: How beautiful.
• 50:12
  Lucia: And at the same time, uh, you can find your place in the cosmos.
• 50:17
  Lucia: Mm-hmm.
• 50:17
  Lucia: For example, I am in the Saudis, no, uh, that's my place.
• 50:21
  Lucia: The Saudis.
• 50:23
  Lucia: Cosmos, but maybe next year.
• 50:25
  Lucia: I am in the northeast and I, I have to move for Hawaii.
• 50:30
  Lucia: If, if it's possible to make movements, helps a lot, but the, the Maya tells you exactly what to do.
• 50:38
  Lucia: For example, now I'm, I'm working with the hand.
• 50:40
  Lucia: With the hand.
• 50:42
  Lucia: So I have to, to, to take care of the health.
• 50:46
  Lucia: No.
• 50:47
  Tracy: Mm-hmm.
• 50:48
  Lucia: And all around me, um, in my family, there are many cases of health and I try to give the, the, the words.
• 50:56
  Lucia: I try to give something and at the same time to concrete.
• 51:00
  Lucia: And this year I, I wrote my book.
• 51:03
  Lucia: So,
• 51:03
  Tracy: oh, yes.
• 51:04
  Tracy: Tell us about the book.
• 51:05
  Tracy: Is
• 51:05
  Lucia: it in English?
• 51:06
  Lucia: No, I'm, I'm, I'm starting, um, wait, wait.
• 51:09
  Lucia: But this in, it's in, in, in Amazon.
• 51:12
  Lucia: I'm looking to, to find a way for a translation.
• 51:15
  Lucia: Mm-hmm.
• 51:15
  Lucia: Now with the artificial intelligence, we'll get a lot of, uh, tools to make things.
• 51:21
  Tracy: Yeah, yeah.
• 51:22
  Tracy: Absolutely.
• 51:22
  Tracy: Absolutely.
• 51:23
  Tracy: Wow.
• 51:23
  Tracy: Look at the time.
• 51:23
  Tracy: It's 1212 on my screen.
• 51:25
  Tracy: What a magical time.
• 51:27
  Tracy: Uh, we've been, we've been chatting for.
• 51:29
  Tracy: For quite some time and we could chat for so much longer 'cause we've got so much to talk about.
• 51:33
  Tracy: But, um, I think I can, I got
• 51:34
  Lucia: many questions from you too.
• 51:36
  Lucia: Maybe
• 51:36
  Tracy: we'll do another one.
• 51:37
  Tracy: I'll have to have another conversation.
• 51:38
  Tracy: But I would love to, um, we're gonna share the links for people to find you and please do share with me when you decide when your workshops are gonna be and, and maybe if they align for people in here in New Zealand and Australia.
• 51:53
  Tracy: Australia's about two to three hours behind New Zealand.
• 51:56
  Tracy: I think Mexico is five hours behind us, but a day as well, or are you five hours in front of us.
• 52:02
  Tracy: What's the time now for you?
• 52:04
  Lucia: Uh, is it, uh, now is five 30.
• 52:06
  Tracy: Okay, so you're five hours ahead of us, but you're a day behind us.
• 52:09
  Tracy: That makes sense.
• 52:11
  Lucia: We can find the moment, I think.
• 52:14
  Lucia: I think.
• 52:15
  Lucia: So, um, I trust, I'm really happy to, to be in Merida and to meet so interesting and lovely people with different, different ways of working.
• 52:27
  Lucia: With the same, uh, basis of constellation or we have the same basis, but uh, different ways to transmit and at the same time, very rich, the opportunity because the people were, uh, hum, hum, not, not proud, the opposite of.
• 52:45
  Lucia: Humble.
• 52:45
  Lucia: They were very humble and a lot of generosity.
• 52:49
  Lucia: Generous.
• 52:50
  Lucia: And generous.
• 52:51
  Lucia: They give a lot, so I'm happy.
• 52:53
  Lucia: I'm pretty happy.
• 52:54
  Tracy: Yeah, me too.
• 52:55
  Tracy: It was, it was, I felt like, uh, a really big shift when I went to Mexico.
• 52:58
  Tracy: I felt that, I felt really at home there.
• 53:03
  Tracy: Yeah, maybe need to look into the IC records there or, or just acknowledge that there is a part of me that has a home in Mexico and maybe a past life or some other time maybe.
• 53:12
  Tracy: Sure.
• 53:12
  Tracy: Somewhere.
• 53:12
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 53:13
  Tracy: And I don't, I've traveled a lot and I don't feel that.
• 53:15
  Tracy: In every country.
• 53:16
  Tracy: I've felt that there.
• 53:18
  Tracy: And I felt that in Sweden up through and, and through Scandinavia.
• 53:21
  Tracy: Um, and, and I have, I have actually done my DNA and it, and it shows very large chunk of Scandinavian, which we had no verbal history of that.
• 53:29
  Tracy: So that was a, um, a surprise as well as the, um, I would've told you I was English and Irish and Scottish, but, and they were there too.
• 53:36
  Tracy: But there's this really big chunk of Scandinavians.
• 53:38
  Tracy: But, so there's places that I've been to that I feel really, really at home and, but not many A is one of them.
• 53:45
  Tracy: Uh, Scandinavia and Mexico would be the places that I could truly say that I feel that.
• 53:50
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 53:50
  Tracy: So who knows?
• 53:52
  Tracy: Who knows?
• 53:53
  Tracy: Mm. Maybe it's a hard time.
• 53:55
  Tracy: Um,
• 53:55
  Lucia: Tracy, uh, it was for me a very short time because it's easy to talk with you.
• 54:01
  Tracy: It is, it's so easy to talk with you.
• 54:03
  Tracy: Yes.
• 54:03
  Lucia: No, I
• 54:04
  Tracy: is is there any, is there anything else that you, is there anything else that you wanna share with the listeners and the viewers before we sign off?
• 54:11
  Lucia: The thing I would like to share everybody in the world is that.
• 54:15
  Lucia: We give permission to our heart to be our guide and trust how our heart is talking.
• 54:23
  Lucia: And at the same time, uh, try to talk with the others from the heart without, uh, choice, criticize
• 54:32
  Tracy: without criticism, judgment,
• 54:34
  Lucia: without judgment.
• 54:35
  Lucia: So we all belong to the same.
• 54:39
  Lucia: And we are here for an experience and let's try to enjoy the experience.
• 54:44
  Lucia: Everything is okay because everything, uh, teach you something, but when we talk from the heart, it's here.
• 54:53
  Tracy: Mm, it is so, it's so beautiful.
• 54:56
  Tracy: Thank you.
• 54:57
  Lucia: Thank you.
• 54:57
  Lucia: Thank you very much.
• 54:58
  Tracy: Thank you for your time.
• 54:59
  Tracy: Thank you for your beautiful words, and um, for the listeners and the viewers, I hope you received this magic from Lucia and you really feel that in your heart.
• 55:08
  Tracy: She's such a beautiful soul and has so much wisdom and love to share.
• 55:12
  Tracy: Thank you for listening.
• 55:13
  Lucia: Thank you.
• 55:14
  Tracy: Thank you for listening.
• 55:16
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• 55:18
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• 55:22
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• 55:32
  Tracy: So until next time, be kind to yourself and have fun doing it.