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- 0:03Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
- 0:06Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
- 0:10Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives of Atlanta, New Jersey,
- 0:13Speaker 1: and my own creation, the Love and Marriage franchise and
- 0:17Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the
- 0:23Speaker 1: Real Housewives franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset. in
- 0:27Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
- 0:31Speaker 1: scripted as well.
- 0:39Speaker 2: Hey, Raindrops.
- 0:41Speaker 1: On today's episode of Reality for the King, Alexis Jansen
- 0:45Speaker 1: and I are back to discuss the season finale.
- 0:50Speaker 2: Of The Real Housewives of Orange County.
- 0:52Speaker 1: Now look, I did not wear a sky top in honor.
- 1:00Speaker 2: See?
- 1:03Speaker 3: Why didn't we do that?
- 1:05Speaker 2: I didn't think about it. I watched the episode.
- 1:08Speaker 1: Before this podcast we're taping.
- 1:12Speaker 2: I was not prepared. That's my excuse.
- 1:15Speaker 3: You're not going to get a SkyTop delivered in five minutes.
- 1:19Speaker 3: You have to call, you know, like some people borrowed
- 1:21Speaker 3: them from Gina Q, like on the cast. So you
- 1:24Speaker 3: would have had to call her and have her hand
- 1:25Speaker 3: deliver one to you.
- 1:28Speaker 2: Do you own any?
- 1:33Speaker 3: I had a very brief. relationship with sky.
- 1:36Speaker 2: Okay. For that brief one.
- 1:38Speaker 3: A brief relationship, because it was like all the girls
- 1:40Speaker 3: were wearing it when I started housewives, but I just,
- 1:43Speaker 3: I got over it really quick. But then, um, I, I,
- 1:47Speaker 3: I do have a sky dress that I ordered recently
- 1:50Speaker 3: that I love. I wore a boat, a boat day,
- 1:52Speaker 3: one of our boat parties, like the opening day at
- 1:54Speaker 3: our yacht club. So, but it was, it was super cute,
- 1:56Speaker 3: but yeah. So sky, I mean, I'm telling you this
- 1:58Speaker 3: many decades later, sky's still going.
- 2:01Speaker 1: It's definitely still going. And listen, it looks good. We
- 2:08Speaker 1: have to get to the finale episode.
- 2:11Speaker 3: You got to turn your computer. Why are you with
- 2:14Speaker 3: a side?
- 2:15Speaker 2: Am I on the side? I'm trying to like angle myself.
- 2:17Speaker 1: Raindrops, if you're listening, I keep telling you guys, subscribe
- 2:20Speaker 1: to the YouTube.
- 2:21Speaker 2: Let me see. That's better.
- 2:22Speaker 3: You were like, I was like seeing half your head.
- 2:23Speaker 2: It was like this. Okay, is this better?
- 2:25Speaker 3: Yeah, that's way better. Okay.
- 2:27Speaker 2: Where are you?
- 2:28Speaker 3: You're not at home.
- 2:29Speaker 2: I'm at my other home. I know.
- 2:32Speaker 3: I know.
- 2:33Speaker 2: Okay.
- 2:33Speaker 3: Then I know. Your other home usually has something on
- 2:36Speaker 3: the wall. So you're doing something.
- 2:39Speaker 2: That's my summer rental.
- 2:41Speaker 3: Oh God.
- 2:41Speaker 2: Oh God.
- 2:42Speaker 3: Can't keep track.
- 2:43Speaker 2: Okay.
- 2:43Speaker 3: Fine. I'm over it.
- 2:48Speaker 2: I'm at home though. Speaking of which, um, wait, I
- 2:53Speaker 2: don't think we talk about this on the show.
- 2:55Speaker 3: It's okay. This is going to be one of my
- 2:56Speaker 3: last times potting in this setting. We can say. We'll
- 2:59Speaker 3: just say that.
- 3:03Speaker 2: It's a good thing.
- 3:04Speaker 3: Life changes. People make moves. People change. You know, I
- 3:09Speaker 3: might be potting from a couch with a bunch of
- 3:11Speaker 3: moving boxes or something in the back like this one day, but,
- 3:14Speaker 3: you know, one of the times in the next three weeks.
- 3:15Speaker 3: But there you go. It's all good.
- 3:17Speaker 2: It's good.
- 3:18Speaker 1: It's good.
- 3:18Speaker 2: It's good.
- 3:19Speaker 1: Well, listen, what's also going to be good is our
- 3:22Speaker 1: season finale recap celebrating the 20 seasons of Orange County.
- 3:29Speaker 3: And I want to ask, I want to ask one
- 3:31Speaker 3: thing and I can already tell which is, is I
- 3:33Speaker 3: feel it. It's palpable through the laptop.
- 3:37Speaker 2: Lord Jesus.
- 3:38Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, I want to ask you what is,
- 3:40Speaker 3: before we get into it, what is, what is your
- 3:43Speaker 3: rating of the reunion or the, I'm sorry. Oh my gosh.
- 3:46Speaker 3: What is your rating of the finale? One to 10.
- 3:49Speaker 2: Why are you being so messy at the beginning of
- 3:52Speaker 2: our recap?
- 3:53Speaker 3: Because I need to pick up the energy somehow because
- 3:56Speaker 3: I can palpably fill it through my laptop of what
- 3:59Speaker 3: you're feeling right now. So I just want the raindrops
- 4:01Speaker 3: to understand it also.
- 4:06Speaker 2: I'm trying to be a good steward.
- 4:11Speaker 3: Yes, continue.
- 4:13Speaker 2: So look, I got this book. It's called Citizen Camp.
- 4:17Speaker 3: Hold it up hold it up the woman who created
- 4:26Speaker 3: the future okay well.
- 4:27Speaker 1: All right so this is my weekend reading is is
- 4:31Speaker 1: it is the authorized kim kardashian autobiography i.
- 4:35Speaker 3: Gather that okay and what are your thoughts so i
- 4:37Speaker 3: guess this is what you think about the actual finale
- 4:40Speaker 3: because we're talking about kim kardashian and her book instead
- 4:42Speaker 3: so i mean did kim pay you to do a
- 4:45Speaker 3: plug on carlos king what the heck's going on right now.
- 4:48Speaker 2: Oh, my God. She needs to sponsor this episode, actually.
- 4:51Speaker 2: Kim Kardashian, I'm giving you free press. And a bonus.
- 4:57Speaker 3: We will work for Carmella for $ 5, 000 instead of the
- 5:00Speaker 3: $ 15, 000 or $ 20, 000 she was going to pay. But, Kim,
- 5:02Speaker 3: we really could use, you know, a little, give us
- 5:05Speaker 3: a fluff. Give us a little bonus.
- 5:06Speaker 2: Yes.
- 5:07Speaker 3: We plugged you. We're plugging you.
- 5:08Speaker 2: We plugged you, girl. We plugged you. Okay. And I
- 5:10Speaker 2: love a plug.
- 5:12Speaker 3: Wink, wink.
- 5:12Speaker 2: So here we go. One to ten.
- 5:15Speaker 3: One to ten.
- 5:20Speaker 1: A one?
- 5:21Speaker 3: Carlos, they're never going to listen to you again. You
- 5:24Speaker 3: have just exiled every single housewife off of this. You
- 5:29Speaker 3: gave them a one. You could have given.
- 5:32Speaker 2: Them a little. Okay, I'm being silly.
- 5:36Speaker 3: Okay, be real.
- 5:38Speaker 2: A five.
- 5:40Speaker 3: Okay, that's fair.
- 5:43Speaker 2: That's fair.
- 5:44Speaker 3: That's what I would have said. I was going to
- 5:46Speaker 3: do between a five and a six, maybe even a
- 5:48Speaker 3: four and a six.
- 5:49Speaker 1: I was going to say four, but I gave it
- 5:52Speaker 1: a five because.
- 5:53Speaker 2: You're being nice.
- 5:55Speaker 3: Okay, so I was thinking between a four and six.
- 5:57Speaker 3: And the reason I say that is because there were
- 5:59Speaker 3: elements of it that I really loved. And I did
- 6:01Speaker 3: get teary-eyed because if you think about when Vicky got teary-eyed,
- 6:04Speaker 3: the two decades of people's lives being on television, it
- 6:08Speaker 3: started a national phenomenon. So it's like, I just, there's some...
- 6:14Speaker 3: you know, there's some feels that happen, but, um, so
- 6:17Speaker 3: I was going to give it between a four and
- 6:18Speaker 3: a six.
- 6:19Speaker 2: Well, let's, how about we start this podcast with the
- 6:22Speaker 2: good stuff. So I would like to hear from you. Beautiful.
- 6:26Speaker 1: Number one, before we get into what you loved, um,
- 6:30Speaker 1: that made you teary eyed. Um, why weren't you at
- 6:35Speaker 1: the finale wearing a sky top?
- 6:40Speaker 3: Well, it would have been hard to put on a
- 6:42Speaker 3: sky top, but I would have done it. I would
- 6:43Speaker 3: have taken one for the team. But I think I'm
- 6:46Speaker 3: very good friends with Vicky and Tamara. And I think
- 6:49Speaker 3: everybody knew what happened at the last appearance that I
- 6:53Speaker 3: made on the show and I, for the season. And
- 6:57Speaker 3: I think it was just, it just didn't feel like,
- 6:59Speaker 3: like honestly, Carlos, what, how would that have gone? How
- 7:03Speaker 3: would that, I don't know. I mean, it would have
- 7:05Speaker 3: brought more ratings probably, but at the same time, it's like,
- 7:08Speaker 3: cause everyone wanted to see the basket case Alexis again.
- 7:10Speaker 3: But at the same time, like where I, I, I
- 7:13Speaker 3: don't even know if I would have said yes, if they,
- 7:15Speaker 3: if either one of them would have called me and asked,
- 7:17Speaker 3: I don't think I would have said yes, just because
- 7:19Speaker 3: of how uncomfortable I was and how I was put
- 7:23Speaker 3: in the spotlight when I didn't even want to mic
- 7:25Speaker 3: up at the last filming. So there you go. But
- 7:30Speaker 3: I thought I see the things I loved about it
- 7:33Speaker 3: was the nostalgia that they brought back. I thought the
- 7:35Speaker 3: sky tops were brilliant. I did love some of the scenes,
- 7:38Speaker 3: but as we go through, You'll see, because we need
- 7:41Speaker 3: to talk about the scenes, I know. But you'll see
- 7:43Speaker 3: why I was. It's a four here, and then it
- 7:46Speaker 3: can go into a six here.
- 7:48Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What?
- 7:53Speaker 3: What?
- 7:55Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just start. No, what?
- 7:57Speaker 3: No, what was that?
- 7:59Speaker 2: I don't want to give my overall view until the end.
- 8:03Speaker 2: I think that's fair.
- 8:04Speaker 1: I gave it a five. So at least the Raindrops
- 8:07Speaker 1: know that you and I both agree.
- 8:08Speaker 2: It was a five.
- 8:09Speaker 1: And now we're going to recap the scenes. And I
- 8:12Speaker 1: think in the end, we can talk about overall thoughts
- 8:15Speaker 1: on it.
- 8:15Speaker 2: I will say this, though. I was shocked that we
- 8:21Speaker 2: didn't get a reunion trailer.
- 8:24Speaker 3: I saw it.
- 8:25Speaker 1: Wait.
- 8:26Speaker 3: So on Peacock, they don't show it. I watch, see,
- 8:28Speaker 3: I watched the Peacock version because it's also an extended version.
- 8:31Speaker 3: Did you know that there's more shown on the version
- 8:35Speaker 3: than on the cable TV? So I watched the Peacock
- 8:38Speaker 3: version and there's a trailer and I wish that you
- 8:41Speaker 3: would have seen it. Carlos, I heard that the reunion
- 8:43Speaker 3: was a snooze fest, but they made the trailer look good, babe.
- 8:47Speaker 3: We might be disappointed, but. Because they showed all the
- 8:49Speaker 3: good scenes on the trailer, but the trailer looked good.
- 8:52Speaker 3: I'm just being, I'm objective. When we podcast, we have
- 8:55Speaker 3: to be objective. And I'm being objective. The trailer for
- 8:59Speaker 3: the first reunion looked good.
- 9:02Speaker 2: Why? Tamara jumps in the pool.
- 9:04Speaker 3: So they make the grotto. It's Vicky's backyard that they
- 9:06Speaker 3: bring for the setting. Tamara jumps in the pool naked
- 9:10Speaker 3: at the end of it. And they show it. Tamara jumps,
- 9:12Speaker 3: takes her gown off. And jumps in the pool naked
- 9:15Speaker 3: at the end of the... So Tammy Sue brings it
- 9:18Speaker 3: every time, Carlos.
- 9:19Speaker 2: First of all, Jamie, why... Okay.
- 9:25Speaker 1: Why weren't they promoting the trailer online?
- 9:31Speaker 2: I'm so... That's a good point, though.
- 9:34Speaker 3: That's a good point because they always at least have
- 9:35Speaker 3: it online and you get little snippets of it.
- 9:38Speaker 2: Oh, he just.
- 9:39Speaker 3: Jamie just sent it, Carlos. If you want to take
- 9:42Speaker 3: a brief... I'll do it at the end.
- 9:45Speaker 1: But yeah, that's a little weird. And why isn't it
- 9:50Speaker 1: on BravoTV.com?
- 9:54Speaker 3: I don't know. It was on Peacock. Unless I dreamt
- 9:57Speaker 3: this last night in my sleep and made a mistake.
- 9:59Speaker 1: No.
- 10:00Speaker 2: I see it. So it's definitely up there. Okay.
- 10:02Speaker 1: So first of all, I want to give condolences to
- 10:06Speaker 1: Shanna Bedore.
- 10:08Speaker 2: In the finale scene, she and.
- 10:12Speaker 1: The girls talked about their dog Archie. and what's going
- 10:16Speaker 1: on with him. So I just wanted to start the
- 10:18Speaker 1: episode by saying, you know, my condolences goes to Shannon
- 10:21Speaker 1: and her girls when it comes to Archie as a
- 10:25Speaker 1: doggy daddy myself. I can't imagine what they're going through.
- 10:31Speaker 1: So I just wanted to start off by saying that.
- 10:33Speaker 3: Agreed. And it's, it's, I mean, you can't not have
- 10:36Speaker 3: a heart for that because they are, dogs are your,
- 10:39Speaker 3: if you're a dog or I know cats are too,
- 10:41Speaker 3: I'm just not a cat lover, but like whatever, your
- 10:44Speaker 3: pet becomes your family. They are your emotional support. They
- 10:48Speaker 3: are your fun. They are the energy when you walk
- 10:50Speaker 3: in the house. And then all of a sudden that
- 10:52Speaker 3: energy's not there. It's like, no, it's, I.
- 10:54Speaker 2: It's tough. It's tough. It's tough.
- 10:58Speaker 3: You know, Carlos, I'm placing Biscuit in a new home.
- 11:00Speaker 3: So he's a golden. She can have him.
- 11:01Speaker 2: Oh.
- 11:05Speaker 3: Yeah, you can add another golden to her. See, pay
- 11:08Speaker 3: it forward. He's actually at a staycation right now with
- 11:11Speaker 3: another family that wants him, but we, it's just too much.
- 11:13Speaker 3: I can't, there's so much right now. And my kids
- 11:16Speaker 3: that are, we're just, but he's an amazing dog and
- 11:20Speaker 3: he can hold his water. He literally only pees twice
- 11:22Speaker 3: a day. Like he does not even need to go
- 11:24Speaker 3: four times a day like everyone else.
- 11:27Speaker 2: Dog ever. Look at you, you have such a good heart.
- 11:29Speaker 2: That's why I love you so much.
- 11:32Speaker 3: Well, it's not a really good heart when I have
- 11:33Speaker 3: to home another dog. I mean, I'm sad.
- 11:35Speaker 2: I'm just saying, it's just, you know.
- 11:37Speaker 3: But I'm willing to, you know, if she's lonely and
- 11:40Speaker 3: needs another one for companion for Troy, Biscuit's available.
- 11:44Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, no, that's so sweet.
- 11:46Speaker 3: DM me, Shannon.
- 11:46Speaker 2: That's sweet. I love you.
- 11:48Speaker 3: Wait, you're blocked. You can't DM me. Nevermind.
- 11:50Speaker 2: DM Carlos and he'll let me know. Okay.
- 11:56Speaker 1: So shifting gears, Heather's mom, Carol says, came to visit.
- 12:03Speaker 1: We now learn that Carol lives in Los Angeles. She
- 12:06Speaker 1: moved to Los Angeles, but that Heather's son feels like
- 12:11Speaker 1: now that grandma lives here, she doesn't come over to
- 12:16Speaker 1: visit at all. And when Heather talked about that, she
- 12:21Speaker 1: mentioned how she told her mom, like, even when it
- 12:24Speaker 1: comes to her kid, he will just love to get
- 12:28Speaker 1: a handwritten note from his grandmother.
- 12:31Speaker 2: And how she would never do it.
- 12:34Speaker 1: And this is tough because I don't like to go
- 12:43Speaker 1: there when it comes to like the parents. But yeah,
- 12:49Speaker 1: Heather's mom, beautiful woman, right? She rubs me the wrong way,
- 12:57Speaker 1: if I'm being completely honest. And I'll list, this is
- 13:01Speaker 1: my opinion based on what Heather has said about her mother.
- 13:05Speaker 2: And I'm basing this off of what Heather said.
- 13:09Speaker 1: To know my grandmothers, I had my biological, well, no,
- 13:19Speaker 1: it's paternal grandmother, maternal grandmother. And I had a step-grandmother
- 13:22Speaker 1: because my granddad got remarried. And I'll say to you like,
- 13:27Speaker 1: gifts galore, like whatever you want, like how most grandmas are.
- 13:32Speaker 1: And to know that her mother could not even write
- 13:36Speaker 1: a handwritten note to her grandson upon request, I just
- 13:42Speaker 1: felt like, well, that's a messed.
- 13:44Speaker 2: Up thing to do. And then when you.
- 13:46Speaker 1: Saw Heather try to talk to her about like, you know, listen,
- 13:51Speaker 1: dad died and I want to make sure you and
- 13:54Speaker 1: I pretty much have a relationship. And Her mother just
- 13:58Speaker 1: seemed so dismissive towards her.
- 14:00Speaker 2: And I just.
- 14:02Speaker 1: It just left a really bad taste in my mouth
- 14:04Speaker 1: when it comes to Heather's mom. Like, I don't want
- 14:06Speaker 1: to see her on my TV screen.
- 14:08Speaker 2: Oh, gosh.
- 14:09Speaker 1: Oh, geez.
- 14:09Speaker 3: That... Oh, that.
- 14:10Speaker 2: The thing is... Look, I don't want to do this.
- 14:14Speaker 1: I have a job to do and I don't want
- 14:16Speaker 1: to I don't want to see her to talk about her.
- 14:19Speaker 3: Right.
- 14:20Speaker 1: Like people think I may be tough on Heather. But
- 14:23Speaker 1: one thing I will say, seeing who Heather's mom is,
- 14:27Speaker 1: and I've said this before, but I do have a
- 14:30Speaker 1: greater understanding about Heather's personality because Heather is cold.
- 14:37Speaker 2: She's ice cold.
- 14:39Speaker 3: And she thinks, but she thinks she's so warm and
- 14:41Speaker 3: fuzzy because she said it several times. She's like, mom,
- 14:43Speaker 3: I'm an emotional person. I'm just, she's not, to me,
- 14:46Speaker 3: it's not that she's emotional where she's like, you know,
- 14:49Speaker 3: you're right. She, she has a, a, a, a little
- 14:53Speaker 3: bit of like of a wall. I feel like she
- 14:54Speaker 3: always has a wall up that you can't just get through. Um,
- 14:58Speaker 3: but I feel like you do see it. That's it's
- 15:00Speaker 3: from her mom. I mean, she is, she is the
- 15:02Speaker 3: product of her environment of being raised and she's probably,
- 15:06Speaker 3: you know, in Heather's defense, she probably has broken down
- 15:08Speaker 3: a little bit of that, you know, like, like what
- 15:12Speaker 3: her mom bled to her. Heather did soften it a
- 15:15Speaker 3: little bit to bleed to her kids, but her kids
- 15:17Speaker 3: would probably still say she's hard compared to, you know, like,
- 15:21Speaker 3: I don't know. I just, the whole thing makes me
- 15:23Speaker 3: so sad though, because it's like when you lose one parent,
- 15:26Speaker 3: like she lost her dad and that was an emotional
- 15:28Speaker 3: scene last year when they, she spread her ashes. And
- 15:31Speaker 3: then you think, you know, mom's going to go sometime
- 15:34Speaker 3: soon too, like in the next couple decades, you know,
- 15:37Speaker 3: like you're at that end of the second part of
- 15:39Speaker 3: their life. I just, I wish that like Heather was
- 15:42Speaker 3: sitting there asking her mom, like, can we open up here?
- 15:45Speaker 3: Can we, can we go a little deeper? And her
- 15:48Speaker 3: mom still was kind of like making jokes about it
- 15:50Speaker 3: and like not, and she's like, I am emotional. I
- 15:53Speaker 3: just don't show it, do it in front of you, Heather.
- 15:55Speaker 1: You know?
- 15:55Speaker 3: So that's, that's the reality of what Heather grew up with.
- 15:59Speaker 3: And I think it was very real for Heather to
- 16:01Speaker 3: even show that or even to be showcasing her mom
- 16:03Speaker 3: at all. In my opinion, I'm like, you know, that
- 16:06Speaker 3: shows that Heather's trying to grow a little bit and
- 16:08Speaker 3: be a little bit more vulnerable because her mom was
- 16:11Speaker 3: right when she said, you can't, you have a hard
- 16:12Speaker 3: time making fun of yourself and like laughing at yourself,
- 16:15Speaker 3: which I think you really have to do in life,
- 16:17Speaker 3: you know, and like, just realize that you're not perfect
- 16:19Speaker 3: and things aren't perfect and things are going to look
- 16:21Speaker 3: bad and you can't let people know that things are bad.
- 16:23Speaker 3: But I, I feel like her mom has done a
- 16:25Speaker 3: lot of, you know, putting up a certain appearance, um, and, and,
- 16:31Speaker 3: But don't we all? I mean, if we really think
- 16:33Speaker 3: about it, like anyone's Instagram is not really their real life.
- 16:36Speaker 3: They look like they're frolicking in the fields and everything's great.
- 16:38Speaker 3: And they've got all their kids and all their kids
- 16:40Speaker 3: are fine. And nobody has a mess on them. And
- 16:41Speaker 3: they're all beautiful and great and not mad or upset.
- 16:45Speaker 3: When behind the scenes, it took 25 shots because they're
- 16:48Speaker 3: all crying, pulling hair, like needing a snack. Like, you know,
- 16:51Speaker 3: the reality is not real on Instagram. But it makes
- 16:55Speaker 3: me sad to think that Heather's mom did that their
- 16:58Speaker 3: whole life, which is what I kind of got from
- 16:59Speaker 3: that scene.
- 17:00Speaker 2: Yes.
- 17:01Speaker 3: Yes.
- 17:02Speaker 2: Yes.
- 17:03Speaker 1: And that's why I think in Heather's defense, she thinks
- 17:08Speaker 1: she's warm and fuzzy compared to her mother.
- 17:11Speaker 3: That's exactly what I was trying to say. One billion percent.
- 17:14Speaker 3: So she did, you know, like you got to break
- 17:16Speaker 3: the cycle. Someone has to break the cycle in the family.
- 17:19Speaker 3: So now hopefully Heather broke it enough that now her
- 17:21Speaker 3: children can really, really, really break it with their kids.
- 17:24Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? Like the appearance that everything's
- 17:28Speaker 3: so great all the time.
- 17:29Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree. I agree. I agree.
- 17:34Speaker 1: This is Reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
- 17:37Speaker 2: Let's get back into the show.
- 17:40Speaker 1: And one thing I will always give Heather, she's a
- 17:42Speaker 1: great mother. And her kids are like really, really amazing humans.
- 17:52Speaker 1: And Heather Dubrow did a fantastic job raising her kids.
- 17:56Speaker 1: And it shows in how her kids behave from what
- 17:59Speaker 1: I've seen on camera. They're just like, they're not like
- 18:02Speaker 1: these bratty, you know, privileged kids who, you know, I've
- 18:07Speaker 1: seen on other television shows.
- 18:10Speaker 2: They have a good hit on their shoulder.
- 18:11Speaker 1: So like you said, my hope is that it started
- 18:16Speaker 1: with Heather recognizing it and then her kids also seeing
- 18:21Speaker 1: it and hopefully breaking down the generational barriers aspect of
- 18:26Speaker 1: that personality and the fact that her son who is
- 18:30Speaker 1: so grounded um it really just warmed my heart to
- 18:34Speaker 1: because you know listen we live in a world where
- 18:37Speaker 1: kids are so spoiled and everything's material and it really
- 18:41Speaker 1: touched me when he said um i just want a handwritten.
- 18:44Speaker 2: Note i just thought like that was the nicest.
- 18:47Speaker 3: Thing the coolest thing yeah i loved it And I'm sad.
- 18:52Speaker 3: I hope that like, I hope the grandma went back
- 18:54Speaker 3: and watched this and now has written a card since then.
- 18:57Speaker 3: You know, I hope that she saw like that, that her,
- 18:59Speaker 3: you know, and when Heather said, this is the other part, Carlos,
- 19:02Speaker 3: Heather said, I don't like that my son feels he's
- 19:05Speaker 3: estranged from his grandmother. Like it's that deep. Like they're,
- 19:08Speaker 3: they live in the same town and they're estranged. Like that's,
- 19:12Speaker 3: it's like what, so he texts you and you don't
- 19:13Speaker 3: text him back. Or like, I don't like estranged usually
- 19:16Speaker 3: means like that you have cut off all ties with
- 19:19Speaker 3: that person. So I was like, Wow.
- 19:23Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah. Life is short.
- 19:25Speaker 3: And in a blink of an eye, it's like people
- 19:29Speaker 3: do die. You know, you have regrets from, I don't know.
- 19:34Speaker 2: I agree.
- 19:35Speaker 3: Anyway, my heart was all in on that scene for sure.
- 19:39Speaker 2: Mine too. Mine too.
- 19:41Speaker 1: Speaking of another heartfelt scene, Jen and Ryan had a
- 19:46Speaker 1: conversation in regards to her son Grayson. who unfortunately has
- 19:52Speaker 1: missed 88 assignments. And in this scene, it was so
- 19:59Speaker 1: interesting to me because I want to see more of
- 20:05Speaker 1: Brian and Jen's life on this show. Because remember how
- 20:12Speaker 1: Ryan was seen through the eyes of Tamra and some
- 20:17Speaker 1: of the other cast members in the audience as being
- 20:20Speaker 1: like this sketchy guy. And based on this season and
- 20:24Speaker 1: even last season, Ryan is a good man. And he
- 20:30Speaker 1: loves Jen. He loves her children. And to hear him
- 20:35Speaker 1: talk about the things they have to do together to
- 20:41Speaker 1: get Grayson back on track. And it was interesting because
- 20:47Speaker 1: when Jen said, oh, you're just adding more to my plate.
- 20:50Speaker 1: I was like, wait, wait a second.
- 20:52Speaker 2: Like, love you, Jen. And I'm not a parent.
- 20:56Speaker 1: And again, I'm only recapping the scene, but a mother's
- 21:01Speaker 1: job is never over. Even when they turn 50 and
- 21:04Speaker 1: you happen to be 80, right?
- 21:06Speaker 2: Like, You're a mother forever, right?
- 21:09Speaker 1: So to know that your child missed 88 assignments and
- 21:15Speaker 1: all Ryan is saying is, what do we have to
- 21:18Speaker 1: put in place to get this in order? And he
- 21:21Speaker 1: said like, look, somebody has to be the disciplinarian. And
- 21:25Speaker 1: she's like, all right, you can do that. And it's like,
- 21:28Speaker 1: That's really not his job. And I do feel awful
- 21:32Speaker 1: that Grayson's dad, his bio dad, isn't around because that's
- 21:37Speaker 1: also the issue. But I was shocked that Jen was
- 21:43Speaker 1: very hands off and wanting to course correct what's going
- 21:48Speaker 1: on with Grayson.
- 21:50Speaker 3: So it's Dom who's missed the 88 assignments, by the way.
- 21:53Speaker 2: I'm sorry. It's okay.
- 21:55Speaker 3: I know everyone knows you were talking about Dom. Grayson
- 21:57Speaker 3: got the speeding ticket. The reason you're saying his name
- 22:00Speaker 3: because Ryan made the parallel comment about, well, Grayson got
- 22:05Speaker 3: that speeding ticket and you said you were going to have,
- 22:07Speaker 3: there was going to be consequences and there were zero.
- 22:10Speaker 3: And Ryan was like, there was zero. Someone has to
- 22:12Speaker 3: help be the disciplinarian in this. I do agree with that.
- 22:15Speaker 3: It's really, really hard to, as a step-parent to take
- 22:19Speaker 3: on that role though. Like the children, you can, you
- 22:22Speaker 3: can like when they're younger, like when they're five to eight,
- 22:27Speaker 3: like when I was with my other fiance, we had,
- 22:28Speaker 3: you know, our kids were little, they were five to,
- 22:30Speaker 3: or yeah, five to 10 or 11, I think when
- 22:32Speaker 3: we met back then. So, so we did have to
- 22:35Speaker 3: discipline them as, as a step-parent or as a step,
- 22:38Speaker 3: you know, we were, you know, together for five years.
- 22:40Speaker 3: So it was like, we did, we had a lot
- 22:42Speaker 3: of times where we had to be that parent when
- 22:44Speaker 3: they're a teenager and and you're coming in when they're
- 22:47Speaker 3: a little bit older, it's really hard to be that
- 22:49Speaker 3: disciplinarian for them. They have to trust you. They have
- 22:51Speaker 3: to respect you. And it should be coming from the
- 22:54Speaker 3: biological parent. But it's sometimes hard for the biological parent.
- 22:58Speaker 3: And I believe Ryan that he's like, you know, if
- 23:00Speaker 3: Grayson got a speeding ticket and was not held to
- 23:03Speaker 3: any kind of consequence, that needed to happen. A hundred percent.
- 23:07Speaker 3: You know, whether it's, you know, you don't really have
- 23:08Speaker 3: to ground your kids at this age. It's more of
- 23:10Speaker 3: a talking to, and maybe he pays the fine. You know,
- 23:13Speaker 3: it's like, that's going to hurt. That $ 700 is going
- 23:15Speaker 3: to hurt coming out of your account because that's all
- 23:16Speaker 3: you got. But like for Dominic or Dom, I don't
- 23:20Speaker 3: know if his real name is Dom. The 88 assignment
- 23:23Speaker 3: thing is like, wow, why aren't teachers reaching out when
- 23:27Speaker 3: 20 assignments are missing? Why aren't, why aren't, because you
- 23:30Speaker 3: can get onto the parent portal. Why aren't parents, why aren't,
- 23:33Speaker 3: why aren't you knowing at 20 assignments or 10, it
- 23:36Speaker 3: gets all the way up to 88. Yeah, you better
- 23:38Speaker 3: be in a detention at that point. I mean, that's your,
- 23:40Speaker 3: you're going to have an F. You're going to flunk
- 23:41Speaker 3: out of that great, that, that class. So I don't know,
- 23:45Speaker 3: but it is so hard because I know Jen has
- 23:48Speaker 3: got so much on her plate. She's got a lot
- 23:50Speaker 3: of kids. She feels bad putting Ryan in the position.
- 23:53Speaker 3: You can see that she's like, but is this okay
- 23:55Speaker 3: for you? Is it really okay for you? Or are you,
- 23:58Speaker 3: you know, but then Ryan's answer in his confessional was
- 24:00Speaker 3: so honest. And he's like, I don't even feel it.
- 24:03Speaker 3: This is not a burden on me. This is like,
- 24:05Speaker 3: because he's taken those kids in as his own. So,
- 24:07Speaker 3: or as a step, you know, step, but you still love,
- 24:10Speaker 3: you love your stepkids the same as you love, And.
- 24:12Speaker 1: They're not even married and he has taken such a responsibility.
- 24:17Speaker 3: They weren't even engaged when she moved in with all
- 24:19Speaker 3: five kids into his house. They weren't even engaged. So
- 24:23Speaker 3: that's a man. I'm telling you.
- 24:25Speaker 1: Yes.
- 24:25Speaker 3: And people can change. Maybe he was the first season
- 24:27Speaker 3: that he came on. I read all that. I've heard
- 24:29Speaker 3: all that too, that he was, you know, everyone's like,
- 24:30Speaker 3: he's a player. He's this, he's that. Well, a player
- 24:33Speaker 3: is a player until he meets the right person. So
- 24:36Speaker 3: maybe he finally did. And whatever. I don't know. They seem,
- 24:39Speaker 3: I'm just telling from my experience, because I go by
- 24:41Speaker 3: my experience. every time John and I have ever been
- 24:44Speaker 3: around them, it is not phony. They totally love each other.
- 24:48Speaker 3: They have a very deep respect for each other. They
- 24:50Speaker 3: have fun together. They're fun to be with. Like I, I,
- 24:55Speaker 3: whoever wants to judge that, whatever happened with him in
- 24:58Speaker 3: the past, you can judge it. But when you live with,
- 25:01Speaker 3: when you're with them, it's, they're good.
- 25:04Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 25:05Speaker 1: No, I think he's, um, first of all, I think
- 25:07Speaker 1: he's so hot. Um, I love Ryan and his jacket.
- 25:11Speaker 3: I knew you were going to say that. Do you
- 25:14Speaker 3: like his style?
- 25:16Speaker 2: I love his style. Oh, gosh.
- 25:18Speaker 3: Okay, so Ryan, here's the deal. If you ever decide
- 25:19Speaker 3: to go the other way and Jen's not available, you
- 25:22Speaker 3: can DM Carlos. He's available.
- 25:24Speaker 2: And I don't have five kids to take it.
- 25:27Speaker 3: Two dogs, Ryan. Much easier life. Two dogs. Four homes,
- 25:32Speaker 3: on the road all the time, and two dogs. If
- 25:33Speaker 3: you can handle it, you've got the man of your dreams.
- 25:35Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm an easy guy, honey. So listen, more ways
- 25:40Speaker 2: than one. So take me as I am.
- 25:44Speaker 1: I love Ryan. And I just, like you said, he
- 25:48Speaker 1: doesn't have to do it. And I just don't know
- 25:52Speaker 1: too many men who's going to take on five kids.
- 25:55Speaker 3: I don't either.
- 25:55Speaker 2: I don't either.
- 25:58Speaker 3: I really don't. Like I found someone to take on
- 26:00Speaker 3: three of my, my three, you know, like, I mean,
- 26:03Speaker 3: it's a lot. He's already raised his kids and then
- 26:05Speaker 3: he's taken on my three. Like they're his own. They
- 26:07Speaker 3: talk all the time. Like he's yeah. It's amazing. So
- 26:10Speaker 3: there are good men out there. Just saying.
- 26:12Speaker 2: No, they are. They are. They are. We got to
- 26:14Speaker 2: find them. We got to find them. But no, Ryan's good.
- 26:15Speaker 2: Ryan's good.
- 26:17Speaker 1: Is there another thing you want to talk about before
- 26:19Speaker 1: I get to Vicky's party?
- 26:22Speaker 3: Not really.
- 26:23Speaker 2: Okay.
- 26:24Speaker 3: I'm trying to think. I don't think so.
- 26:25Speaker 2: I think you, you, So Vicky's Party, Sky Top, whatever.
- 26:31Speaker 3: What do you think of the Sky Tops?
- 26:33Speaker 2: Oh, I love it. Listen, I will say this. As
- 26:35Speaker 2: a theme, I thought it was genius.
- 26:38Speaker 3: It's so nostalgic. I love it. I loved it.
- 26:41Speaker 2: I love the theme.
- 26:42Speaker 1: It's so OC. Super smart to do it that way.
- 26:45Speaker 1: I could not have thought of a better way of
- 26:47Speaker 1: culminating this moment of 20 years of OC.
- 26:53Speaker 2: So thought it was smart. They all look great. We
- 26:56Speaker 2: have a lot of the former Housewives show up.
- 27:00Speaker 3: Not as many as I thought, though, Carlos.
- 27:02Speaker 1: I was going to say this.
- 27:03Speaker 2: Not as many.
- 27:03Speaker 3: There are so many. Why did they bring back so
- 27:06Speaker 3: many one-hit wonders and not more of the ones that
- 27:08Speaker 3: were on for a while? That's what was weird to me.
- 27:11Speaker 3: I'm like, why are you laughing? This is not funny.
- 27:14Speaker 3: I'm being serious.
- 27:14Speaker 2: This is, oh my God.
- 27:15Speaker 3: You always think that I'm making, you always think I'm
- 27:17Speaker 3: throwing shade. Oh, we never got to that. We have
- 27:19Speaker 3: to go back to the end question. We'll do that
- 27:22Speaker 3: at the end. But I am not throwing shade. I'm
- 27:26Speaker 3: just saying people don't want to see the one hit wonders.
- 27:28Speaker 3: People want to see the people that actually were on
- 27:30Speaker 3: for a couple seasons. You know, like, I don't know.
- 27:34Speaker 3: I was hoping to see a lot more to be honest.
- 27:37Speaker 2: I wanted to see Lori.
- 27:40Speaker 3: I know.
- 27:40Speaker 2: Okay.
- 27:41Speaker 3: Okay. I'm going to tell you this. I've reached out
- 27:44Speaker 3: to Lori. Several of the other housewives have because we
- 27:47Speaker 3: wanted her at some of the, like Tamara's thing. She
- 27:50Speaker 3: is just done with the filming. I think she's just
- 27:53Speaker 3: at a part of her life where she's just, and
- 27:57Speaker 3: she looks amazing. I still bump into her and stuff
- 27:59Speaker 3: and see her around town sometimes, but like, I love her.
- 28:02Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 28:03Speaker 3: I wish so much that we would have seen her.
- 28:06Speaker 3: One million percent.
- 28:09Speaker 2: I love Lori.
- 28:09Speaker 3: It couldn't have been the same without Gina. Thank God
- 28:11Speaker 3: they got Mama Gina.
- 28:12Speaker 2: Gina, I was happy she was there. My other favorite,
- 28:17Speaker 2: Lynn Curtin.
- 28:18Speaker 3: Love her.
- 28:19Speaker 2: Love Lynn.
- 28:20Speaker 3: I just love her.
- 28:21Speaker 2: I was happy to see Lynn. Love Lynn. But yeah,
- 28:25Speaker 2: I wanted... I'm laughing because... But... It was a lot
- 28:31Speaker 2: of one season wonders.
- 28:32Speaker 3: It was.
- 28:33Speaker 1: Listen, like, I don't have to see.
- 28:38Speaker 2: Elizabeth Vargas again. Do you know what I mean? Like
- 28:42Speaker 2: I saw her already. So that wasn't like, Ooh, you know?
- 28:46Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 28:47Speaker 3: But I, you just saw that, right? The note. Um, I,
- 28:54Speaker 3: I just like, I like seeing her though. I think
- 28:56Speaker 3: that she does bring her though. You know, I didn't
- 28:59Speaker 3: watch that season. I'm sure you did, but I didn't
- 29:00Speaker 3: watch the season she was on.
- 29:02Speaker 2: I watched four episodes of it and tuned out. Oh, okay.
- 29:05Speaker 3: Well, you're being real.
- 29:06Speaker 2: I can take it.
- 29:07Speaker 3: So, yeah, but there, I mean, there were so many
- 29:10Speaker 3: that we could have, that could have been brought back.
- 29:13Speaker 3: Maybe they were out of town. Maybe they, I don't know,
- 29:15Speaker 3: but yeah, I was, I was really thinking it was
- 29:18Speaker 3: going to be a lot more.
- 29:19Speaker 2: I was too.
- 29:20Speaker 1: I was too, but it wasn't, but listen, it's.
- 29:25Speaker 2: A little good. So. You said what?
- 29:29Speaker 3: Did you like the party that it was the season finale?
- 29:32Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, sure.
- 29:35Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 29:36Speaker 1: Okay i would have loved it's funny if i if
- 29:41Speaker 1: i was able to make a decision i would have
- 29:46Speaker 1: had tamra's party as the season finale.
- 29:50Speaker 3: I have read that several places by the way you
- 29:52Speaker 3: have yeah Some people are saying that. I'm sure Jamie
- 29:57Speaker 3: and Spencer can give us the... That has been said
- 30:01Speaker 3: out there because it was more... There was just drama.
- 30:04Speaker 3: But here's my thing, Carlos, and I've said this from
- 30:06Speaker 3: day one because this season has been so vanilla. Call
- 30:09Speaker 3: me crazy, which I am. It's fine. But.
- 30:13Speaker 3: I feel they kept the season vanilla and they didn't
- 30:16Speaker 3: want any cliffhangers because I think they don't know what
- 30:18Speaker 3: the F they're going to do for next season. I
- 30:21Speaker 3: think they were like, keep it all vanilla. Don't have
- 30:23Speaker 3: any cliffhangers. Don't have the women mad at each other.
- 30:25Speaker 3: Everybody's kumbaya. We're all best friends. We all love each other.
- 30:28Speaker 3: And then we're going to jump and go have a
- 30:29Speaker 3: picnic and do our little jig. And I love you
- 30:32Speaker 3: so much. And then, and then, and then they pull
- 30:35Speaker 3: up the bios of what's happening with each woman at
- 30:37Speaker 3: the end. And they're like, Emily has not spoken to
- 30:39Speaker 3: Heather since we finished filming. And I'm like, all the
- 30:43Speaker 3: kumbaya for what it's like, it's not real.
- 30:45Speaker 2: So I don't know.
- 30:47Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. We'll get to that, but I would have,
- 30:55Speaker 1: I would have definitely made a little switcheroo, but Tamara's
- 30:59Speaker 1: party to me was.
- 31:00Speaker 2: More fitting for a finale event. You want me to
- 31:07Speaker 2: read it? I got my glasses on. Okay.
- 31:10Speaker 1: So shout out to Spencer. who got this excerpt from Vulture.
- 31:17Speaker 1: Vulture is a, it's still a publication, but they also
- 31:24Speaker 1: have an online website to where weekly they recap multiple
- 31:28Speaker 1: Housewives shows. So this is an excerpt from Orange County.
- 31:33Speaker 1: And I quote, I can't believe producers allow Tamara to
- 31:37Speaker 1: do that. Real Housewives of Orange County had a long
- 31:40Speaker 1: history of throwing a finale party where all the housewives
- 31:43Speaker 1: from past seasons were invited. They should have done that
- 31:46Speaker 1: again to celebrate 20 years. They should have spared no
- 31:49Speaker 1: expense and tried to get everyone there. Not just Gina
- 31:52Speaker 1: and Lizzie and Lynn Curtin. They should have paid Alexis
- 31:57Speaker 1: and Gretchen and Lydia McLaughlin and Lori and Noella.
- 32:04Speaker 2: Oh!
- 32:05Speaker 3: Now, Noella was on only one season, though.
- 32:06Speaker 2: One season, but... She made an impact, though. She was interesting.
- 32:10Speaker 3: I did watch that season.
- 32:12Speaker 2: I did, too. And I actually liked it.
- 32:14Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 32:15Speaker 1: They should have gotten that girl, Sarah, who at the Bo-Off,
- 32:19Speaker 1: Heather's Cake, Dr.
- 32:21Speaker 2: Moon, the driver of the family band, Don Goldberg. Don
- 32:25Speaker 2: would have... Don! Don! Don would have been good.
- 32:29Speaker 3: By the way, I didn't read the Vulture one. This
- 32:31Speaker 3: is amazing. They are so brilliant. Why weren't they calling
- 32:34Speaker 3: the producers to tell them this?
- 32:35Speaker 2: This is a good one, but Don.
- 32:38Speaker 3: Everyone loves Dawn.
- 32:40Speaker 1: He continues. Get them all back, every single one of them.
- 32:43Speaker 1: I would have been fine.
- 32:45Speaker 2: If this was a supersized episode of the.
- 32:47Speaker 1: Last 30 minutes where everyone in the same room again
- 32:50Speaker 1: going over the greatest hits, giving this once great franchise
- 32:53Speaker 1: the recognition it deserves. Instead, we got a gloopy looking
- 32:59Speaker 1: hors d'oeuvres or sparse country club veranda. This isn't a celebration.
- 33:06Speaker 1: It is a retirement party. Tamara's party also has some
- 33:12Speaker 1: new drama. Thanks to Alexis showing.
- 33:15Speaker 2: Up, bitch.
- 33:16Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
- 33:16Speaker 2: Heather filling snub. And that John Jansen was there in
- 33:23Speaker 2: Una's shoes she bought, bitch. Yeah.
- 33:27Speaker 3: Did it really say that or are you making that up?
- 33:29Speaker 2: No, I'm not.
- 33:30Speaker 3: You really read the whole thing? Oh my God, that
- 33:32Speaker 3: is so funny.
- 33:34Speaker 2: You are bad at taking a compliment, Alexis. Just because
- 33:37Speaker 2: people on.
- 33:37Speaker 1: Social media can be mean to you sometimes doesn't mean
- 33:40Speaker 1: the whole world feels that way, honey.
- 33:41Speaker 2: I keep telling you that. I know, I know. It's
- 33:42Speaker 2: the reason why our podcast episodes do extremely well. And
- 33:46Speaker 2: people have said to me.
- 33:48Speaker 1: You know, I like Alexa on your podcast a whole
- 33:50Speaker 1: lot more than what they showed on the show.
- 33:51Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, her.
- 33:52Speaker 1: Defense, she's always said, y'all didn't get the full enchilada.
- 33:56Speaker 2: So my point is, Alexa's fucking Jansen. People love you. Oh, good.
- 34:02Speaker 1: Tama's party should have been the fucking finale. Yes.
- 34:04Speaker 2: Wow.
- 34:05Speaker 3: So you felt that too. That's not even the ones,
- 34:07Speaker 3: I didn't even read anything that long. I just read
- 34:10Speaker 3: a couple different places that it said they should have
- 34:12Speaker 3: flopped those two parties. And I just thought, and they
- 34:16Speaker 3: weren't like gloating about me or anything in these other ones.
- 34:18Speaker 3: It was just small. It was just more like, Tamara's
- 34:20Speaker 3: party had more.
- 34:21Speaker 2: I gotta stop you.
- 34:22Speaker 1: You have to learn how to take a compliment. The reason,
- 34:26Speaker 1: and listen to me, baby. The reason why you read,
- 34:30Speaker 1: even if your name wasn't mentioned, they're not saying Tamara's
- 34:33Speaker 1: party should have been the finale because of fucking- CBD
- 34:40Speaker 1: celebration at Alicia Vargas' home.
- 34:44Speaker 3: By the way, I didn't even get to freaking try
- 34:46Speaker 3: a sip of that. By the way, Tamara, we've talked
- 34:49Speaker 3: many times since then. Ship me some, bitch, because I
- 34:51Speaker 3: didn't even get to.
- 34:53Speaker 2: Have one sip. Hello. And have them sponsor episode two,
- 34:58Speaker 2: Tamara Judge. Thank you.
- 35:00Speaker 1: But my point is, they're saying it should have been
- 35:03Speaker 1: the finale because what you gave to that moment And
- 35:08Speaker 1: you need to own it and accept it and receive it, okay?
- 35:13Speaker 2: That's why they're saying it.
- 35:15Speaker 3: Okay, Dad, thank you. But here's the thing. Everybody also
- 35:18Speaker 3: says I overreacted, which I did.
- 35:20Speaker 2: However.
- 35:21Speaker 3: Who cares?
- 35:22Speaker 2: It's good TV. The reason why... Emotion. The reason why
- 35:26Speaker 2: the best.
- 35:27Speaker 1: Listen, I told you I love last season. I also
- 35:30Speaker 1: will say this.
- 35:33Speaker 2: I agree with them, too.
- 35:35Speaker 1: I'm not the biggest fan of Gretchen based on things
- 35:37Speaker 1: that I do believe she has done in the past.
- 35:41Speaker 2: And she hasn't apologized for it.
- 35:44Speaker 3: Isn't that interesting, though? That is interesting.
- 35:46Speaker 2: Exactly.
- 35:47Speaker 3: I thought that she would have made a public apology
- 35:49Speaker 3: by now.
- 35:49Speaker 2: But if you want to bring her back to do
- 35:51Speaker 2: fucking Pilates.
- 35:54Speaker 1: And yoga with Jen for her sexy line of fit wear,
- 36:00Speaker 1: bring her ass back to the party. And let's see
- 36:02Speaker 1: her and Tamara get into you, fucking see you next Tuesday.
- 36:06Speaker 2: Like, I want to see some shit.
- 36:08Speaker 1: And instead, I got to see fucking Gina talk to
- 36:14Speaker 1: Heather about her fucking real estate and how she makes
- 36:22Speaker 1: her money.
- 36:22Speaker 2: And you could tell Heather, and yes, I'm fast forwarding. Sorry.
- 36:27Speaker 3: Sorry.
- 36:31Speaker 2: Because.
- 36:32Speaker 3: So go ahead and fast forward.
- 36:33Speaker 2: Go ahead. The fact that Heather said, enough is enough, bitch.
- 36:37Speaker 1: You guys are trying to make drama happen at this
- 36:39Speaker 1: boring ass finale at my expense. And when Heather said, look, bitch,
- 36:45Speaker 1: Tamara said much worse than I did.
- 36:48Speaker 2: Get this bitch over here. And Tamara. Rew her under
- 36:51Speaker 2: the bus. Down. Yeah. Rew her. Just, yeah, Chuck, it
- 36:56Speaker 2: was a Chuck. It was. I think. Okay.
- 37:07Speaker 3: So caught up.
- 37:07Speaker 2: I lost it.
- 37:08Speaker 3: I was looking for it.
- 37:12Speaker 2: Okay.
- 37:12Speaker 3: So the party, Carlos, the only thing I have to say,
- 37:16Speaker 3: and then we can talk positive the rest of it.
- 37:18Speaker 3: When Vicky said, you guys, this is crazy. Why are
- 37:20Speaker 3: we making a big deal about this? I can't even
- 37:22Speaker 3: remember what they were all sitting around moaning about, but
- 37:25Speaker 3: I thought, I thought of you first. I mean, it
- 37:26Speaker 3: was like, literally I'm like, Carlos is going to have
- 37:28Speaker 3: a heyday with this. But when Vicky said, I literally
- 37:31Speaker 3: thought that when I was watching it, thank you. When
- 37:33Speaker 3: Vicky goes, guys, this is crazy. What are we doing?
- 37:36Speaker 3: Like I knew in her mind, she's thinking, this sounds
- 37:38Speaker 3: so stupid. This is not good TV. We look like fools. Like,
- 37:42Speaker 3: can we just pick it up and move it? You know,
- 37:43Speaker 3: can we do something else? And I read Vicky like
- 37:46Speaker 3: a freaking book, you know, I remember what that was about,
- 37:51Speaker 3: but all I know is it was like a five
- 37:52Speaker 3: minute scene. It felt like five minutes. It's probably one
- 37:54Speaker 3: and a half, but it's hard.
- 37:55Speaker 2: Carmela had the conversation.
- 37:58Speaker 3: No, it was more of when they were all kind
- 38:00Speaker 3: of standing in that little group. There was almost all
- 38:02Speaker 3: of them standing there.
- 38:03Speaker 2: Okay.
- 38:03Speaker 3: It was, but it was like, I, it was so
- 38:06Speaker 3: just menial, like nothing that I, I was like, I
- 38:10Speaker 3: agree with Vicky. They need to move on from this
- 38:14Speaker 3: scene and actually cut it out, leave it on the
- 38:16Speaker 3: chopping room floor, and not even show that scene.
- 38:19Speaker 2: But they did. Yeah. Okay.
- 38:25Speaker 1: What did you think about Gina trying to keep her
- 38:29Speaker 1: orange ripe by confronting Heather Dubrow about the comment she
- 38:36Speaker 1: made last week that Heather already apologized for And Gina
- 38:41Speaker 1: brought up again for saying that, like actresses, she needs
- 38:48Speaker 1: to really not spend her money without a gig backed up.
- 38:55Speaker 2: And then to see.
- 38:56Speaker 1: Heather throw Tamara under the bus was the funniest shit.
- 39:00Speaker 2: Well, that was.
- 39:01Speaker 3: I mean, I just got a workout doing that reenactment,
- 39:03Speaker 3: throwing her under the bus.
- 39:04Speaker 2: That was fun.
- 39:04Speaker 3: Can we do that again? But I... I don't think
- 39:09Speaker 3: that's even a big deal. I'm going to stick up
- 39:12Speaker 3: for Heather and Tamara. I don't think them saying that
- 39:15Speaker 3: was being mean to Gina at all. I think they
- 39:17Speaker 3: were simply saying, we all need to be wise here.
- 39:20Speaker 3: Even Andy Cohen himself, the creator of all of this, says,
- 39:25Speaker 3: don't spend your housewives money because you, it's, it's not
- 39:28Speaker 3: your job. It's not your salary. You've got to have
- 39:30Speaker 3: something else because it's, it's, it comes and goes. He's
- 39:32Speaker 3: think of how many franchises he's had that there's been
- 39:35Speaker 3: the one hit wonders where it's like, you're, you're there
- 39:36Speaker 3: for a minute and you're gone. it's so don't spend
- 39:39Speaker 3: that money, put that money in the bank and have
- 39:41Speaker 3: your other job that you're using. You know, I think
- 39:43Speaker 3: that Gina has been wise. I think they were grasping
- 39:47Speaker 3: for anything at the finale to make something out of nothing.
- 39:50Speaker 3: And I just thought, I, I don't think it's, I mean, I, I,
- 39:55Speaker 3: I know Gina was just trying to make a little
- 39:57Speaker 3: bit of a moment because it was kind of a
- 39:58Speaker 3: boring episode. She was like, this can't be a boring episode,
- 40:01Speaker 3: but you're right. They'd already apologized. They'd already moved past it.
- 40:04Speaker 3: You're it's, it's like that part's, gone and done, but
- 40:08Speaker 3: we had to bring it back up because there was
- 40:10Speaker 3: nothing else at the finale.
- 40:12Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 40:12Speaker 1: And I think that was my issue with the end
- 40:14Speaker 1: because it was sort of like, let's, okay. So as
- 40:17Speaker 1: a producer, let me say this, every finale you do,
- 40:21Speaker 1: you have.
- 40:22Speaker 2: To wrap it up. You have to wrap up all
- 40:23Speaker 2: the storylines. Right.
- 40:25Speaker 1: And because that was the last one hanging, I guess
- 40:30Speaker 1: they had to say, what can we do to give something?
- 40:36Speaker 1: And when you saw Heather frustrated, I think Heather was
- 40:39Speaker 1: frustrated because she's like this again. This is not even
- 40:44Speaker 1: something that's great to argue about.
- 40:47Speaker 3: And I've apologized. And I told my side about it,
- 40:50Speaker 3: about how I'm just simply saying, save your, you know,
- 40:53Speaker 3: don't spend every dime you had. I don't even think Heather,
- 40:56Speaker 3: I don't think Heather meant that in a negative way
- 40:57Speaker 3: at all.
- 40:58Speaker 2: I don't think so either.
- 41:00Speaker 3: And I don't think she was like, oh, I'm up
- 41:01Speaker 3: here and you're down here. And so make sure you
- 41:03Speaker 3: save your money. I think Heather was just being kind
- 41:04Speaker 3: of like a, You know, like, hey, don't go thinking
- 41:07Speaker 3: that you have all this money right now because things
- 41:09Speaker 3: can come and go. But but then they're also not
- 41:11Speaker 3: giving Gina credit for the businesswoman that she is and
- 41:15Speaker 3: the fact that she is signing a prenup, which, you know,
- 41:17Speaker 3: John and I didn't. But she's she's taking care of
- 41:20Speaker 3: herself and her kids.
- 41:21Speaker 2: So she showed me that it's super smart.
- 41:24Speaker 1: And based on what they showed with Tamara's comment, Tamara's
- 41:28Speaker 1: comment was basic real estate one on one. Don't spend
- 41:34Speaker 1: all your money up front because in real estate, it
- 41:39Speaker 1: goes up and it goes down. And that is actually
- 41:42Speaker 1: a fact that you know when you take the fucking test.
- 41:45Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 41:46Speaker 3: And you can sell one house in a year or
- 41:47Speaker 3: you can sell five or you can sell none. You
- 41:50Speaker 3: can have a year and no one knows where this
- 41:52Speaker 3: market's going right now. So it's like, I don't know.
- 41:54Speaker 3: You've got to be, I just think both Tamara and
- 41:57Speaker 3: Heather were trying to just be, the fact that, here's
- 42:00Speaker 3: the deal though, Carlos, the fact that they had to
- 42:02Speaker 3: take that the producers or whoever you want to say, whoever,
- 42:06Speaker 3: even if it was the girls that decided to take
- 42:07Speaker 3: it that far. But the fact that they had to
- 42:09Speaker 3: take that little thing and make it into something is like,
- 42:13Speaker 3: they've got to recast. They've got to get some- We'll
- 42:15Speaker 3: get to that.
- 42:16Speaker 2: Then we're going to get to that too, again.
- 42:17Speaker 3: Got to get some real meat, Carlos. I don't want
- 42:19Speaker 3: any more tofu. We need meat.
- 42:21Speaker 2: Well, hold on, girl. I eat tofu because I'm vegan.
- 42:24Speaker 3: Okay, well, I don't need another bean. I need some tofu.
- 42:29Speaker 3: Sometimes you need a little bit more meat or tofu
- 42:31Speaker 3: on the bone. You don't just want a bean.
- 42:33Speaker 2: How's that? I know. Okay.
- 42:41Speaker 1: Speaking of which, there was probably worse than that part
- 42:46Speaker 1: with Tamra, Heather, and Gina.
- 42:52Speaker 2: This thing with Jen and Tamra. I like Jen.
- 42:55Speaker 3: What?
- 42:56Speaker 2: When Jen confronts Tamra like.
- 42:58Speaker 3: No, but what do you not like about it?
- 43:00Speaker 2: It was stupid.
- 43:01Speaker 1: It was grasping for straws. There's no meat of the bones.
- 43:08Speaker 1: To really believe that Tamara Judge is befriending you to
- 43:14Speaker 1: get back at Heather. That's a real issue?
- 43:19Speaker 2: Are you freaking kidding me right now? Shame on you.
- 43:24Speaker 2: And Tamara's like, What? Well, you know, Emily and Gina
- 43:30Speaker 2: said that. I just hope that is genuine. We share
- 43:33Speaker 2: the room together. Wait, what? Like, that's when I lost
- 43:39Speaker 2: my shit.
- 43:40Speaker 1: Because remember last week I said, if you're telling me
- 43:44Speaker 1: that this is some drama that y'all want me to
- 43:46Speaker 1: believe is genuinely concerning, Tamara has done nothing to Jen
- 43:51Speaker 1: all season, but out of nowhere, huh, are you really
- 43:55Speaker 1: my friend?
- 43:57Speaker 2: Is it genuine? Stop.
- 44:03Speaker 3: So, Carlos, it really goes back to the very beginning
- 44:06Speaker 3: of the very first time this season on your podcast
- 44:10Speaker 3: that you set on your podcast with me, this one,
- 44:13Speaker 3: that you said, I'm so sick of the game of telephone.
- 44:16Speaker 3: From that podcast on, was that number like five we
- 44:18Speaker 3: did or something? It was like one of the first ones.
- 44:20Speaker 3: You were already sick of it. It kind of goes
- 44:23Speaker 3: with that same sentiment of it's just like, That's why
- 44:26Speaker 3: I'm saying we have to recast a little because we
- 44:28Speaker 3: need some real meat on the bone. And you're right.
- 44:32Speaker 3: That was a very, you know, but I liked how
- 44:34Speaker 3: Tamara handled it because Tamara didn't play into it. And
- 44:36Speaker 3: she just goes, I really just, I mean, but here's
- 44:39Speaker 3: the thing. Don't all the women know by this point,
- 44:42Speaker 3: they've all been on for multiple seasons except Carmela, that
- 44:47Speaker 3: you're going to be friends at one moment and you're
- 44:50Speaker 3: not going to be friendly or great friends at the
- 44:52Speaker 3: next moment. And you just don't know. It goes like this.
- 44:54Speaker 3: That's the whole show. I feel like they all know
- 44:56Speaker 3: that by now. So I don't, it was just, it
- 44:58Speaker 3: was kind of one of those things where it was a,
- 45:01Speaker 3: a scene where, and you know, the producers were probably
- 45:03Speaker 3: telling them they need to have that hash that out
- 45:05Speaker 3: and make sure that, make sure it is real. Is
- 45:07Speaker 3: it real? I don't know, but it was, that's why
- 45:11Speaker 3: it was kind of a snooze several times during this episode.
- 45:15Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 45:15Speaker 1: It, it, it, that, that part rubbed me the wrong way.
- 45:18Speaker 1: I couldn't stand it. And then the last thing that
- 45:23Speaker 1: actually happened first was I, Carmella and Vicky like this.
- 45:29Speaker 2: Okay.
- 45:29Speaker 3: This is real, but this is real.
- 45:36Speaker 2: But Alexis, they already discussed it.
- 45:40Speaker 3: Yeah, but they haven't. I think that they wanted to
- 45:43Speaker 3: have some kind of closure for this finale party and
- 45:46Speaker 3: it didn't happen. There's no closure. They're still the same.
- 45:49Speaker 3: They still don't like each other. They're not going to
- 45:50Speaker 3: get along. They should bring both back next season because
- 45:53Speaker 3: there is a real beef there. Um, you know, where
- 45:55Speaker 3: the other beefs are all being, you know, they're, they're
- 45:57Speaker 3: making beef sticks instead of beef, you know, filet mignon.
- 46:01Speaker 3: But I think that like they, I think they should
- 46:03Speaker 3: bring both back because they have some real issue with
- 46:09Speaker 3: each other. And Vicky, I mean, she held to herself
- 46:12Speaker 3: or her guns the whole season that she doesn't believe Carmela.
- 46:15Speaker 3: She doesn't trust Carmela. She thinks Carmela's phony. She did all,
- 46:18Speaker 3: she's stuck by it the entire season. So, um, maybe
- 46:23Speaker 3: we'll see something different at the reunion. I don't know, but,
- 46:25Speaker 3: but I like when there's an actual issue and not
- 46:29Speaker 3: things where they're trying to create an issue out of nothing.
- 46:32Speaker 2: You're saying because, okay.
- 46:33Speaker 1: To your point, you're saying because we saw something tangible
- 46:36Speaker 1: that was really big for the both of them when
- 46:39Speaker 1: it was like at his height.
- 46:42Speaker 3: It's authentic.
- 46:43Speaker 1: Okay.
- 46:43Speaker 2: Okay.
- 46:43Speaker 3: Not trying to play telephone to make something out of
- 46:46Speaker 3: what it's not. It was, it's authentically a problem. They
- 46:49Speaker 3: both don't like each other.
- 46:51Speaker 2: That's fair. That's fair. That's fair.
- 46:53Speaker 1: And even when Carmella said like, yeah, honestly, it's being friends.
- 46:57Speaker 1: There's a big age difference anyway.
- 46:59Speaker 2: I'm fine.
- 47:00Speaker 3: She goes, there's quite a huge age gap anyway. But
- 47:04Speaker 3: in my mind, I'm like, well, Carmela, if you do
- 47:06Speaker 3: the math on all the other women, you're the youngest one.
- 47:08Speaker 3: So yeah, there's an age gap with almost all of them.
- 47:10Speaker 3: So it's not just Vicky. But it made me laugh
- 47:13Speaker 3: because I was like, nice.
- 47:15Speaker 2: I do like her. I do like her.
- 47:16Speaker 3: It's just witty. It's witty.
- 47:18Speaker 2: It's funny.
- 47:19Speaker 3: It's not hurting anybody's livelihood. That's what makes this show
- 47:22Speaker 3: good is when you're not going after their kids or
- 47:24Speaker 3: their career and you're just doing digs that are fun
- 47:27Speaker 3: and witty like that, you know?
- 47:29Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 47:29Speaker 3: It's a harmless dig.
- 47:31Speaker 2: It was harmless. It was harmless. The other thing, too, was....
- 47:39Speaker 3: But.
- 47:40Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no.
- 47:41Speaker 1: Meaning, going back to what you were saying about the recast,
- 47:43Speaker 1: and I know we touched on this again last week,
- 47:46Speaker 1: this episode was evident that you need a whole new cast.
- 47:52Speaker 2: I will say this.
- 47:54Speaker 1: Based on Beverly Hills casting Leah Remini and Tracy Tudor,
- 47:59Speaker 1: getting rid of Amanda. You and I actually enjoyed Amanda,
- 48:03Speaker 1: but you and I also said we're not mad that.
- 48:07Speaker 2: You guys got Leah Remedy and Tracy Tudor either.
- 48:09Speaker 1: I saw that to say I do want Carmella back,
- 48:13Speaker 1: but I'm curious if she's going to be asked back.
- 48:18Speaker 3: Well, you know, we still have our little thing that
- 48:19Speaker 3: we're going to do. We're going to do at the
- 48:21Speaker 3: end of the reunion. I can't wait to see what
- 48:24Speaker 3: both of us think about who's going to stay and
- 48:27Speaker 3: who's going to go after Carmella. The two-part reunion. I
- 48:29Speaker 3: did hear it's only two parts. Did you hear that?
- 48:32Speaker 2: Yes, which isn't great.
- 48:34Speaker 3: Well, I was thinking it was probably only going to
- 48:36Speaker 3: be one, so I'm glad we... At least we got two.
- 48:40Speaker 3: We might snooze through some. I might do five loads
- 48:42Speaker 3: of laundry through them, but I mean... I'm saying it
- 48:45Speaker 3: looked good, though. The reunion trailer, you got to go
- 48:50Speaker 3: find it and watch it now, Carlos. Go to Peacock
- 48:52Speaker 3: and fast forward to the end. It's on the end.
- 48:54Speaker 3: It looks good.
- 48:56Speaker 2: Okay.
- 48:57Speaker 3: And we see naked Tamra. Who's got a banging body?
- 49:01Speaker 2: Body's banging, girl.
- 49:03Speaker 3: I wish all of them, they all should have jumped
- 49:05Speaker 3: in naked.
- 49:08Speaker 2: Naked and afraid. Girls Gone Wild.
- 49:10Speaker 3: Meets Housewives of Orange County reunion.
- 49:12Speaker 2: So listen, we'll see. We'll see. We'll see. But two parts.
- 49:21Speaker 1: I don't... I have to see when was the last
- 49:23Speaker 1: time OC got a two-part reunion.
- 49:25Speaker 2: It's been a minute.
- 49:27Speaker 3: Because it's been three always, huh?
- 49:28Speaker 2: You only get three, honey. I'll just say this.
- 49:32Speaker 1: Your season, when you were a friend of, they pretty
- 49:37Speaker 1: much got three and a half parts.
- 49:40Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 49:42Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 49:44Speaker 3: I think that, like I said, the fact that there's
- 49:49Speaker 3: only a two-part reunion goes to show that I might
- 49:52Speaker 3: be correct in the fact that they wanted to keep
- 49:53Speaker 3: the season kind of vanilla for whatever reason.
- 50:01Speaker 2: Okay.
- 50:02Speaker 3: Can't wait.
- 50:04Speaker 2: Let us know your thoughts on season 20.
- 50:06Speaker 3: I wish we got them sent to us early. I
- 50:09Speaker 3: really want to see it. I hate the waiting. I
- 50:13Speaker 3: hate waiting a week.
- 50:14Speaker 2: Oh, you mean the reunion?
- 50:15Speaker 3: Yes. I don't want to wait a week. I want
- 50:17Speaker 3: it now. I'm an instant gratification person, okay?
- 50:22Speaker 2: I see. I see. I see. Listen, and the funny
- 50:27Speaker 2: thing is this. They give good reunions. Alexis, we shall see, sister.
- 50:35Speaker 2: We shall see.
- 50:36Speaker 3: I know.
- 50:36Speaker 2: That'd be great.
- 50:37Speaker 3: We're going to make it great no matter what.
- 50:39Speaker 2: We'll make it great.
- 50:41Speaker 3: We'll have fun no matter what.
- 50:42Speaker 2: We'll always have fun. You and I together, it's going
- 50:44Speaker 2: to be fun.
- 50:45Speaker 3: This is our pact, a pinky promise right now. If
- 50:47Speaker 3: it's a boring reunion, we are going to figure out something.
- 50:55Speaker 3: Each of us has to bring a joke.
- 50:58Speaker 2: Okay.
- 50:58Speaker 3: If it's a boring reunion, we each have to bring
- 50:59Speaker 3: a joke next week.
- 51:01Speaker 2: That's doable.
- 51:02Speaker 3: Okay. And it better be clever.
- 51:06Speaker 2: Honey, it's me. It's going to be clever. Absolutely, darling.
- 51:10Speaker 3: We have homework. We have homework to do.
- 51:14Speaker 1: And Raindrops, we give you all homework. Let us know
- 51:16Speaker 1: your thoughts on the season 20 reunion. And look, let
- 51:22Speaker 1: us know who you want back or not. Give us
- 51:24Speaker 1: your list.
- 51:25Speaker 3: Yeah, especially by the last one, because two weeks from
- 51:28Speaker 3: now will be the finale of the last reunion. So
- 51:30Speaker 3: you and I are going to give our list and
- 51:32Speaker 3: I'm going to see if it matches this or if
- 51:33Speaker 3: I'm going to rewrite it. Yes.
- 51:35Speaker 2: And don't listen. I know you have, you're like moving.
- 51:37Speaker 2: Don't lose that fucking list.
- 51:39Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm going to keep it inside my laptop
- 51:41Speaker 3: like this so that it, yeah, my laptop goes everywhere
- 51:44Speaker 3: in my handbag with me. So yeah, not losing it. Okay.
- 51:47Speaker 2: Awesome.
- 51:47Speaker 1: Perfect.
- 51:47Speaker 2: All right. Well, Alexis, I love you. Have a great
- 51:49Speaker 2: weekend and I'll see you for the part one reunion, babes.
- 51:53Speaker 2: Bye guys.
- 51:54Speaker 3: Bye baby.
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