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Credlin | 28 April · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Craig, to have your company as always, Here's
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Speaker 2: what's coming up tonight in Kredline reports tonight that the
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Speaker 2: Isis women that have plane tickets on their way back
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Speaker 2: to Australia are facing more questions as their male relatives
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Speaker 2: are accused of using kidnap Yezidi girls as slaves. More
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Speaker 2: on that shortly prepoly has opened to today in Pharah
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Speaker 2: for the by election that's shaping up to be a
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Speaker 2: two horse race between the Teal and One Nation. I'll
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Speaker 2: get you the latest of the preference deals and we'll
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Speaker 2: look into the climate two hundred money that's being pumped
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Speaker 2: into the seat. Plus live to the UK as a
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Speaker 2: war crimes investigation there as Dowmi accused of being a
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Speaker 2: witch hunt against British troops, strong parallels to what's happened
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Speaker 2: in Australia in the wake of the Brereton Report. And
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Speaker 2: more on the indigenous elder who gave that welcome to
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Speaker 2: country in Melbourne on Ansac Day, including flogging his clothing brand.
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Speaker 2: As the practice of these so called welcomes continues to
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Speaker 2: stoke division.
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Speaker 3: I think welcome to country has been overdone. In Australia,
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Speaker 3: I think it's devalued those welcomes to the country.
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Speaker 2: I will come back to that with plenty of your
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Speaker 2: comments from last night's show, But first, as you know,
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Speaker 2: I've been closely following the Ben Roberts Smith story, and
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Speaker 2: it's not just the way he was arrested, but the
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Speaker 2: campaign against him and other soldiers it served in Afghanistan
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Speaker 2: via the controversial Breton inquiry. But in huge news overnight
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Speaker 2: from London, it would seem that what's happening in Australia
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Speaker 2: in terms of criminal cases against servicemen is not an
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Speaker 2: isolated experience. It turns out there have been similar claims
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Speaker 2: of British soldiers serving in Iraq having acted outside international law,
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Speaker 2: and in Britain those claims were sexed up by lawyers
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Speaker 2: acting for Iraqi complainants hoping for big compensation payouts. Now,
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Speaker 2: what we do know is that when these claims of
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Speaker 2: soldiers acting unlawfully were eventually investigated by an official inquiry,
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Speaker 2: the allegations that they had killed detainees were dismissed, but
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Speaker 2: not before the reputation of the soldiers and the broader
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Speaker 2: British Army was publicly dragged through the mud. Now, if
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Speaker 2: that was the end of it, it would be bad enough,
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Speaker 2: but it isn't. It gets worse because we learn now
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Speaker 2: that one of the lawyers involved in this backdoor campaign
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Speaker 2: against British soldiers is now the UK Attorney General, a
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Speaker 2: private friend of the Prime Minister Keirs Starmer, who was
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Speaker 2: specifically brought into the House of Lords so that he
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Speaker 2: could serve as the government's chief law officer. Now his
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Speaker 2: name is Lord Hermer. I'm not saying that there are
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Speaker 2: exact parallels here, just pointing out that war crimes accusations
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Speaker 2: can get a life of their own if pursued by
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Speaker 2: a motivat hed media eager to discredit the military, aided
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Speaker 2: and assisted as they were in this case by Iraqi
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Speaker 2: combatants so insurgents who claimed to be civilians acting for money.
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Speaker 2: Here is the exclusive from Britain's Telegraph newspaper.
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Speaker 4: The Telegraph revelation about the Attorney General follows an investigation
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Speaker 4: where we analyzed more than twenty five thousand documents. It
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Speaker 4: shows he played a key role in a case that
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Speaker 4: left decorated war heroes facing bogus accusations of murder and assault. Hermer,
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Speaker 4: or Lord Hermer, as is now known, pressed for compensation
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Speaker 4: of hundreds of thousands of pounds despite mounting evidence that
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Speaker 4: the clients were lying.
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Speaker 2: The history there is it involved a battle where the
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Speaker 2: British soldiers were up against an Iraqi enemy, and then
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Speaker 2: afterwards they were alligation the British soldiers captured and killed civilians.
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Speaker 2: Now the claim was that the troops had tortured and
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Speaker 2: executed non combatants, and then Iraqis, who say they were
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Speaker 2: president at the time, engaged British lawyers to prosecute their
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Speaker 2: case and it was a blaze of lurid publicity that
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Speaker 2: dominated the headlines for months in the UK. Now, after
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Speaker 2: a terrible decade of public suspicion the British troops involved,
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Speaker 2: they are eventually fully exonerated of the unlawful killing allegations,
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Speaker 2: with the Iraqis turning out to be terrorist insurgents, not
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Speaker 2: the innocent civilians they claimed they were.
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Speaker 5: But in that huge news that's just playing.
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Speaker 2: Out right now in London, it's been revealed that one
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Speaker 2: of the lawyers for the Iraqis, and he was then
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Speaker 2: a barrister, Richard Hermer, is now the nation's Attorney general.
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Speaker 5: All but urged that.
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Speaker 2: They make claims of soldiers killing civilians more explicit in
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Speaker 2: media releases as drive public interest. Hermer said that the
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Speaker 2: initial media release needed to be quote more explicit regarding evidence,
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Speaker 2: raising serious concerns of executions of prisoners.
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Speaker 5: Now. He also then suggested, and I.
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Speaker 2: Quote giving us some rigal room here if the killings
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Speaker 2: did not in fact happen. So despite knowing that the
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Speaker 2: killing's story may well have been fictional, Hermer, then a barrister. Now,
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Speaker 2: of course, the Attorney General advised that the killing's claim
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Speaker 2: effectively be beaten up in the media to make a
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Speaker 2: better story, and in the process he led the campaign
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Speaker 2: which blackened the reputation of brave soldiers doing their job
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Speaker 2: and put innocent individuals through a decade of hell. Now,
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Speaker 2: as I said, this happened in Britain, not in Australia.
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Speaker 2: But it sure looks like sections of the legal profession
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Speaker 2: were engaged in what they knew to be dubious claims
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Speaker 2: of war crimes, aided by enemy Iraqi insurgents who claimed
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Speaker 2: to be civilians who were chasing money when they were combatants.
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Speaker 2: Of course, it couldn't happen here, could it?
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Speaker 5: Look?
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Speaker 2: Last night you heard my pretty strong views about veterans
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Speaker 2: being welcomed to their own country at dawn services in
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Speaker 2: Melbourne and Sydney, at an event that should unite all
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Speaker 2: of us, like the Dawn Service, the official Dawn Service.
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Speaker 2: What's the point of paying Aboriginal men thousands of dollars
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Speaker 2: to speak as they often do with words of division.
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Speaker 2: It's not just who gets invited to take the stage
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Speaker 2: that matters all what they say, but it's also their credentials.
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Speaker 2: Today we learn that Mark Brown, the Indigenous man who
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Speaker 2: spoke at Melbourne's dawn service invited by vru CEL, is
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Speaker 2: reported to have made reprehensible public comments following the assassination
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Speaker 2: of Charlie Kerr. He posted online that Charlie Kirk deserved
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Speaker 2: the fate he brought upon himself, that his downfall isn't
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Speaker 2: a tragedy.
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Speaker 5: It's justice catching up with him now.
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Speaker 2: On his website too, Brown is flogging his own brand
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Speaker 2: of Anzac Day Indigenous merchandise, capitalizing it would see him
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Speaker 2: on his fifteen minutes of fame at the microphone for
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Speaker 2: two back to back dawn services. But, as I reported
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Speaker 2: last night, nowhere in his three minutes of highly political
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Speaker 2: comments on Saturday morning. Did Brown even mention the words
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Speaker 2: veteran or indeed Anzac so happy to flog the outfits,
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Speaker 2: happy to put the word Anzac all over the outfits
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Speaker 2: and make money off the name, just not willing to
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Speaker 2: say it when it matters. Now the RSL well, they
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Speaker 2: need their collective heads read if they're ever going to
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Speaker 2: use Mark Brown at this event. But I have to say,
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Speaker 2: do we even need these welcome country because I think
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Speaker 2: that's what must be revisited, and going by the responses
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Speaker 2: I received from you overnight, it's not just Brown that
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Speaker 2: you want to go Like me, you want this whole
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Speaker 2: divisive business at these welcomes to country at ANZAC events
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Speaker 2: to be removed.
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Speaker 5: Here's what my viewer, Keith had to say.
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Speaker 2: He said, dear Peter, You've got my full support regarding
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Speaker 2: your last night's comments on just another case where welcome
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Speaker 2: to countries are hijacking our most solemn day of the
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Speaker 2: year being, of course, ANZAC Day. Like you, I don't
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Speaker 2: do it out loud, but in my head I am
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Speaker 2: booing and I have so for a long time when
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Speaker 2: I don't think this welcome is appropriate. This from Dave,
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Speaker 2: I personally would not build in an Anzac day's service,
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Speaker 2: but I certainly can understand why others would. My father
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Speaker 2: and my brother were both in the service of this country,
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Speaker 2: having put their lives on the line, and having lost
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Speaker 2: mates who did not make it home alive. It is
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Speaker 2: reprehensible that some Turkey, I don't care who he is
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Speaker 2: or what he purports to be, should have the gall
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Speaker 2: to then offer up to people like my father are
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Speaker 2: welcome to a country that would have been very different
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Speaker 2: but for the service and sacrifice of the diggers. This
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Speaker 2: too from my viewer, Barbara. My sympathy is with the
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Speaker 2: people who served our country to protect our freedom, and
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Speaker 2: I understand their frustration they have seen in one of
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Speaker 2: their own treated so badly in recent weeks, and I
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Speaker 2: can fully understand their anger at being subjected to a
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Speaker 2: political rant on this special day. How much does all
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Speaker 2: of this cost? Now we have had enough, she says,
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Speaker 2: it would have some significance if used exclusively at our
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Speaker 2: aboriginal events. Another viewer, Monica, makes what I think is
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Speaker 2: a really good legal point. These welcomes to country that
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Speaker 2: now include lines about lands never seated and always world
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Speaker 2: always will be. She says, while initially framed as a
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Speaker 2: gesture of inclusion, the practice has become fundamentally racist in nature.
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Speaker 2: By inferring exclusive ownership of Australia to a small segment
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Speaker 2: of the population based on ancestry, it creates an illegal
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Speaker 2: and discriminatory hierarchy that undermines the principle of a quality
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Speaker 2: for all citizens. And this lovely message from my viewer Leen,
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Speaker 2: a very sincere thank you, he says, for once again
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Speaker 2: being the voice of reason in the ongoing fight against
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Speaker 2: segregation in this country. You are, of course correct in
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Speaker 2: that the majority of Australians are sick to death of
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Speaker 2: welcome to country nonsense being thrust upon us twenty four
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Speaker 2: to seven. I wish you well and ask no more
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Speaker 2: that you keep up the excellent work you.
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Speaker 5: Do on my behalf.
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Speaker 2: Well, it is on your behalf that I do at
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Speaker 2: Len and thousands and thousands of others like you. Afternight,
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Speaker 2: I try and do my best to speak for you.
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Speaker 2: I can't read out all the messages I've received. There's
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Speaker 2: literally been thousands of them, and more are coming in
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Speaker 2: as we speak. But tonight I wanted to highlight just
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Speaker 2: a few of them to make it clear where the
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Speaker 2: majority majority of Australians are on this issue, So thank
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Speaker 2: you as always to my view as if nothing else.
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Speaker 2: When I read your comments each night, will you restore
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Speaker 2: my faith in humanity as I realized that the Australia
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Speaker 2: we love is still absolutely out there.
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Speaker 5: Right, let's go to Ruben Spargo now for the headlines.
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Speaker 6: Labour is cracking down on big tech companies, forcing large
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Speaker 6: digital platforms to pay for news content. Under the government's proposal,
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Speaker 6: a two point two five percent levy would be imposed
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Speaker 6: on companies like Google, Meta and TikTok's Australian revenue if
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Speaker 6: they don't reach agreements with local media outlets. The money
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Speaker 6: collected would be returned to the Australian news sector.
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Speaker 7: Our governors taking the next steps to ensure that Australian
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Speaker 7: journalism is sustainable now and into the future.
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Speaker 6: The plan aims to close a gap in the current
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Speaker 6: news media Bargaining Code, which has allowed some platforms to
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Speaker 6: sidestep the rules by removing news content altogether. President Donald
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Speaker 6: Trump has named a staunch conservative and former congressman to
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Speaker 6: be his next ambassador to Australia. David Bratts is said
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Speaker 6: to be the United States top diplomat in Canberra. The
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Speaker 6: position has been vacant for more than fifteen months.
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Speaker 7: I'll work with whoever is determined to be the ambassador.
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Speaker 6: David Bratt served in Congress for two terms before taking
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Speaker 6: up a role at Liberty University. The Prime Minister has
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Speaker 6: appointed the first female to lead Australia's Department of Defense.
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Speaker 6: Meagan Quinn will be the next Secretary of placing Greg Moriarty,
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Speaker 6: who's moved to Washington to serve as US Ambassador. MSS
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Speaker 6: Quinn currently heads the Industry Department and previously held senior
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Speaker 6: positions in Treasury.
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Speaker 2: We will get across all of those issues, but right
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Speaker 2: now I want to look at the pre polling for
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Speaker 2: the Pharaoh by election. It opened up today. Of course,
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Speaker 2: the election is taking place in just on a two
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Speaker 2: weeks on Saturday, May nine. And joining me now as
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Speaker 2: you will on the desk gat that time, Sky's political
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Speaker 2: editor angew Colonel. Let's go if we can to these
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Speaker 2: questions around the so called independence of Michelle Millthorpe. It's
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Speaker 2: still dogging her and today she was forced to say
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Speaker 2: something about it publicly.
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Speaker 5: That's up.
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Speaker 8: We haven't had much money at all from Climb two hundred.
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Speaker 8: I know we had twenty thousand dollars at the start
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Speaker 8: to get us, you know, to kick me off. But
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Speaker 8: other than that, I've had thousand, you know, over one
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Speaker 8: thousand donors from all over Farah and around the country
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Speaker 8: who want to support the independence movement and to see
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Speaker 8: our major parties look at themselves and try and do
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Speaker 8: better because we're not being represented.
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Speaker 2: Here twenty thousand, she says Andrew. Well, if you go
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Speaker 2: back and look at the ae SE register in twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty four, so last year's election in twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 2: in that period she receives some one hundred and seventy thousand,
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Speaker 2: not twenty thousand from climate two hundred.
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Speaker 3: Well, the support's definitely there, isn't it that. I just
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Speaker 3: think it's going to be an intriguing race, potentially a
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Speaker 3: historic moment because with the decision by the Liberals on
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Speaker 3: their how to vote cards preference one Nation will recommend
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Speaker 3: give you preferences to one Nation ahead of Milthorpe. The
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Speaker 3: feeling is one Nation will win the seat and Barnaby
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Speaker 3: will have a mate in the lower House. Is that
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Speaker 3: the start? That's kind of the result I'm expecting, and
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Speaker 3: that we'll be covering and that will lead to all
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Speaker 3: sorts of interesting debates about the future of Australian politics.
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Speaker 5: Well that was my.
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Speaker 2: Feeling on the ground, I have to say. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's a fifty to fifth displit between Aubrey being one
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Speaker 2: vote block center and the remainder of the electorate. I
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Speaker 2: think it's very clear there's a strong support to Farley
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Speaker 2: right across the electroc. I think then that's probably coming
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Speaker 2: in second. I think in terms of all Brea, there
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Speaker 2: is support for the Liberal there, but it's nowhere near
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Speaker 2: as strong as was getting for the Teal.
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Speaker 5: But the preference flows will be absolutely key.
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Speaker 3: They will be. And look, you know, many years ago now, Peter,
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Speaker 3: when I used to speak to it it was a
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Speaker 3: new South Falst political correspondent, I would have spoken to
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Speaker 3: you about the Shooters and Fishes winning that seat, the
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Speaker 3: Griffith part anyway, So that's kind of that one nation
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Speaker 3: vibe the Shooters, you know, that's more aligned to that
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Speaker 3: than any Teal influence. And I just feel like if
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Speaker 3: you look at the poles that have been done, one
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Speaker 3: nation and within striking distance, the preferences decision gets them
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Speaker 3: over the line. And I think at this point one
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Speaker 3: nation would be disappointed if they didn't win.
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Speaker 5: Well, I think that actually is a very good point.
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Speaker 2: That will be the reckoning they have on Saturday night
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Speaker 2: and fortnight's time. If they don't win, the questions will
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Speaker 2: be about, you know, no cigar sort of thing, you know,
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Speaker 2: doing well in the polls, unable to translate it in
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Speaker 2: a campaign setting. Let's go to the speculation around the budget.
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Speaker 2: I know we've talked about the capital capital gains tax
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Speaker 2: discount before. Now what staggers me today is the rumors
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Speaker 2: that are running around that will actually be a retrospective change.
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Speaker 2: Earlier discussion was that it would be grandfathered for existing properties.
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Speaker 2: But if they move and remove grandfather, I reckon it's
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Speaker 2: political suicide.
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Speaker 3: I don't think it's that simple, but I mean that
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Speaker 3: makes it a really complex policy. Phil Curry sort of
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Speaker 3: alluded to that with that story you just showed. I've
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Speaker 3: got a taste of this a few weeks back in
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Speaker 3: that I was kind of told it won't disadvantage anyone
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Speaker 3: with property currently, But then I tried to establish was
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Speaker 3: a grandfather and I was kind of led to believe
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Speaker 3: that wasn't the case either. So that would be a
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Speaker 3: situation where and this is hard to explain. So how
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Speaker 3: on earth can you look after your tax affairs. You'd
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Speaker 3: have the capital gains let's say it comes into effect
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Speaker 3: July one next year or something like that. Yeah, the
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Speaker 3: capital gains tax discount on your property. Invest property till
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Speaker 3: then then there'll be evaluation, presumably, and then from there.
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Speaker 3: I'm not saying this is definitely happening. This is the speculation.
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised. From there you go back to
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Speaker 3: the old system, no discount, but you have indexation. Now
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Speaker 3: if they do that, I just think it's barking mad,
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Speaker 3: isn't it, because it's so complicated. The easiest way to
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Speaker 3: do this is exactly what you just said, Peter, and
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Speaker 3: you won't get accused of buggering people up with investment uncertainty.
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Speaker 3: They already got in trouble with that over the super issue.
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Speaker 3: It's to say from July one. You'd probably make it
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Speaker 3: after the next election to politically get it through, but
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Speaker 3: they need the money, so they won't one next year.
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Speaker 3: If you sell property or whatever, you don't get the discount,
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Speaker 3: or if you buy property. If you buy property, so
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Speaker 3: you buy property from then on, you don't get the discount.
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Speaker 2: All they using their tactic of going out and leaking
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Speaker 2: a much worse case scenario for something that people don't
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Speaker 2: want anyway, but they'll go out and say it's so
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Speaker 2: much worse than you even thought initially. And of course
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Speaker 2: when they announce it on the budget night, where it's
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Speaker 2: back to sort of the least worst option, you still
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Speaker 2: don't want it, but it's less worse than you thought
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Speaker 2: it might have been. The heat's gone out of it,
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Speaker 2: so that could also be the ducks and drakes.
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Speaker 3: Jim does that all the time, the Treasurer.
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Speaker 5: All right, let's go to that announcement today.
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Speaker 2: A new Secretary for the Department of Defense and out
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Speaker 2: of course by the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 7: Ms Quinn will be the first woman to be the
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Speaker 7: permanent Secretary of the Department of Defense and is an
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Speaker 7: outstanding public servant.
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Speaker 2: She might be an outstanding public service, but mate, I
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Speaker 2: don't think you can get a promotion in camera at
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Speaker 2: the moment unless you're wearing a skirt.
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Speaker 3: You could say that. I couldn't possibly comment, Peter, But look,
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Speaker 3: they've had a lot of first haven't they. First Reserve
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Speaker 3: Bank woman, first treasurer woman, first Productivity Commission chief, a woman,
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Speaker 3: first Defense Secretary, woman, first Army chief a woman. So
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Speaker 3: they're making the point that they are doing a whole
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Speaker 3: bunch of first in terms of appointing women like they're
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Speaker 3: and you know they they're they're the ones who mentioned it, right,
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Speaker 3: so Peam mentions it. Lead with it, lead, don't have
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Speaker 3: to mention it. Okay. So if we're talking about you know,
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Speaker 3: and by the way, I should point out, you know,
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Speaker 3: Michelle Bulloch looks like she's doing a great job. Everyone says,
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Speaker 3: Jennie Wilkinson's great.
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Speaker 9: Whatever.
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Speaker 3: I'm not having a go at the appointment his plea.
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Speaker 3: But you can't have your cake and eat it. You
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Speaker 3: can't say, oh, you know, this isn't about gender, you know,
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Speaker 3: rebalancing the old gender equality or however else you want
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Speaker 3: to put it. But I'm mentioning at the very start
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Speaker 3: that it is the first woman. You can't say, look,
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Speaker 3: this is all about merit, but quite this is the
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Speaker 3: first woman. I mean, you know you've got to if
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Speaker 3: that's the case, don't say it's the first woman. Just
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Speaker 3: let the journals figure that out, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 3: So I think it's yeah, Look, the female vote has
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Speaker 3: played a big part for labor, and I'm sure that
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Speaker 3: factors into this somewhat. But a point you made during
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Speaker 3: the Liberal leadership coverage when we're talking about deputy which
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Speaker 3: I've kind of been using today, is the prime minister
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Speaker 3: and deputy prime minister and men, you know, and as
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Speaker 3: I put the Treasurer as a man. So yeah, okay,
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Speaker 3: they're not giving up their jobs, but when it comes
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Speaker 3: to the bureaucracy, that's okay, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 3: So look, that's a bit black and white and concrete
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Speaker 3: in terms of but I think it's worth remembering. That's
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Speaker 3: all I'm trying to say, you know, great to see
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Speaker 3: women promoted. Perhaps we should see a woman deputy prime
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Speaker 3: minister prime minister again soon. If that's the case, you know, well.
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Speaker 2: The last one was a shocker. Unless she comes from
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Speaker 2: my side of politics. I wouldn't go back to the
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Speaker 2: well with labor and female prime ministers. But you are
21:23
Speaker 2: making the point, I think all within to say that
21:25
Speaker 2: we just want to have these announcements made without the
21:28
Speaker 2: gender of the individual being such a big story, particularly
21:31
Speaker 2: from the labor side of politics, who can't even tell
21:34
Speaker 2: you what they define a woman as. That's the other
21:37
Speaker 2: thing I will leave it there. Oh boy, thank you, Andrew.
21:41
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to touch that one, does it. Now to
21:43
Speaker 2: a formal request by the Center for Independent Studies to
21:47
Speaker 2: ensure that the power grid planners properly compare and cost
21:52
Speaker 2: all of our energy sources, well, that request has now
21:56
Speaker 2: been rejected by the Australian Energy Market Commission. This is
22:00
Speaker 2: despite claims from the Albinezer government that it's renewables transition
22:03
Speaker 2: has been rigorously compared to other options, they say, such
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Speaker 2: as coal and nuclear. What do you want to be now,
22:10
Speaker 2: the Australian's Environment editsor Graham Lloyd, Well, if you can't
22:14
Speaker 2: cost renewables end to end, how on earth can you
22:20
Speaker 2: credibly say it's cheaper than nuclear and cheaper than coal.
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Speaker 10: Well, good evening, Peter. That's exactly the point. If there's
22:28
Speaker 10: an overarching criticism to be made of the removable energy transition,
22:34
Speaker 10: it's that there's been no proper cost benefit and analysis
22:37
Speaker 10: all the way through. And what this process is showing
22:41
Speaker 10: is there's been no proper comparison either between what the
22:45
Speaker 10: alternatives might be. The people planning the grid sighted as
22:51
Speaker 10: saying well, wind and solar is the cheapest option to
22:54
Speaker 10: go forward and what have you. But it's very clear
22:58
Speaker 10: they have not had the power to actually compare it
23:02
Speaker 10: to anything else. In fact, they've got to measure everything
23:06
Speaker 10: against government policy, and that policy is to have renewables
23:10
Speaker 10: at eighty two percent of generation. So that public basically
23:15
Speaker 10: has been taken as mugs.
23:18
Speaker 2: Well, you know how it works, Graham, when a government
23:20
Speaker 2: doesn't want to tell you if something costs inevitably, it's
23:24
Speaker 2: because it costs way more than they're pretending it's cost,
23:27
Speaker 2: or it's money we can't afford.
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Speaker 10: That's right, And on this measure, there's an ideological purpose.
23:37
Speaker 10: I think they don't care what it costs. They'll go
23:40
Speaker 10: at any cost, which is a shameful thing for the public.
23:44
Speaker 2: Per Yes, and explain to me the other story related
23:50
Speaker 2: to all of this. You know win projects, the government
23:53
Speaker 2: is seriously considering emergency support to prop up struggling wind farms.
23:59
Speaker 5: What's going on here.
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Speaker 10: Well, this is the government being taken as mugs, because
24:04
Speaker 10: this is exactly the situation that happened in the United
24:07
Speaker 10: Kingdom where they put out tenders for renewable energy projects.
24:11
Speaker 10: The company's bid low, and then they came back and said, well,
24:15
Speaker 10: we can't make any money at the contract we won,
24:18
Speaker 10: we want you to revise the winning bid. So they
24:21
Speaker 10: ended up being paid more because the government there was
24:25
Speaker 10: so desperate to fill its ledger was renewable projects, just
24:29
Speaker 10: as they are here. So the government is really being
24:33
Speaker 10: led by the nose. And if this follows the pattern
24:36
Speaker 10: in the UK, the next port of call will be
24:39
Speaker 10: for additional payments for electricity that's generated at times that
24:43
Speaker 10: it's not wanted or needed.
24:47
Speaker 3: Yep.
24:47
Speaker 2: And that's why Australians come Budget night will be hit
24:51
Speaker 2: with the tax changes right across the board, including to
24:54
Speaker 2: CGT that I just discussed with Andrew Kleneal because the
24:56
Speaker 2: government's writing checks said body.
24:58
Speaker 5: Can't cash there, Thank you, Graham Lloyd.
25:01
Speaker 2: After the break, male relatives of the ISIS women trying
25:05
Speaker 2: to get back into Australia have now been accused of
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Speaker 2: keeping y ZD girls as slaves. Seriously, all the while
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Speaker 2: the government's trying to talk tough.
25:19
Speaker 5: Welcome back.
25:20
Speaker 2: Still to come those parallels between a war crimes investigation
25:23
Speaker 2: in the UK and what we're seeing here in Australia
25:27
Speaker 2: in the wake of the Brereton Report.
25:29
Speaker 5: But first let's.
25:30
Speaker 2: Return to the issue of the ISIS women. Currently in
25:33
Speaker 2: Damascus attempting to return to Australia because today the Australian
25:37
Speaker 2: newspapers reporting that male relatives of these women have been
25:42
Speaker 2: accused of enslaving Yazdi girls while the family was part
25:46
Speaker 2: of the Islamic Caliphate. Now, despite this, a legal expert
25:49
Speaker 2: says that it's unlikely any of the women would face
25:52
Speaker 2: charges for alleged slavery, even though we're told by the
25:56
Speaker 2: government they're going to face the full force of the
25:58
Speaker 2: law when they get back here.
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Speaker 5: The PM today.
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Speaker 2: Desperate to appear as though it's all got nothing to
26:04
Speaker 2: do with him.
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Speaker 7: My views have not changed with regard to people who
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Speaker 7: went overseas and chose chose to support ISIS rather than Australia,
26:20
Speaker 7: when ISIS had an objective of setting up a caliphate
26:25
Speaker 7: to literally attack democracies like Australia.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now to discuss is the Shadow Home Affairs Minister,
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Speaker 2: Senator Jonathan Darniem. Well, really serious allegations here, Senator against
26:41
Speaker 2: male relatives of these women, of these women, not these
26:45
Speaker 2: women that we know, but certainly really serious allegations. This
26:50
Speaker 2: just underpins the risk they have, or potential risks they
26:53
Speaker 2: have should they return to this country.
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Speaker 11: Spot on, Peter, and thanks for having me. It is
26:59
Speaker 11: shocking to even think that anyone who has remotely engaged
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Speaker 11: in something like slavery would in any way be in
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Speaker 11: line to be permitted entry into this country, citizen or otherwise.
27:13
Speaker 11: The idea that anyone thinks this is okay in twenty
27:15
Speaker 11: twenty six in Western civilization is frankly abominable. And the
27:19
Speaker 11: PM talks tough there. He says, oh, you know, my
27:22
Speaker 11: views haven't changed, and these are people that chose ISIS
27:26
Speaker 11: over Australia. Isis the death cult. Isis the organization that
27:31
Speaker 11: hates Western values, hates Christianity, hates women's rights. Yet they
27:35
Speaker 11: are standing idly by and doing nothing to prevent these
27:39
Speaker 11: people from coming back. There have been no texts that
27:42
Speaker 11: we're aware of, and as you've already pointed out, there
27:45
Speaker 11: are reports now they're involved in modern slavery of year
27:48
Speaker 11: Zd people. I've met with representatives of the yea Zdi community.
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Speaker 11: They are terrified of their return. Labor haven't met with them,
27:55
Speaker 11: and they're doing nothing to rectify the situation.
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Speaker 2: To walk away from that courtyard, John O and have
28:02
Speaker 2: look at the sign on his door and realize the
28:03
Speaker 2: sign on the door says he's the Prime minister. So
28:06
Speaker 2: all this hand ringing, all this sounding tough but not
28:10
Speaker 2: acting tough. If he doesn't do it, who does he
28:13
Speaker 2: think is going to do it. He's given them a passport,
28:17
Speaker 2: there's facilitation, as you and I well know, going on.
28:20
Speaker 2: He's got plenty of legislation already through the Parliament that
28:23
Speaker 2: he could cancel or revoke passports. He's not doing any
28:27
Speaker 2: of that. He's sort of saying, oh, well, you know,
28:29
Speaker 2: if they land here, I can't do too much about it. Well,
28:32
Speaker 2: we didn't vote for an impotent puppet. We voted for
28:36
Speaker 2: a leader of this country of light in vote for him,
28:37
Speaker 2: but you know people did this.
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Speaker 5: Is just reprehensible. Well it is.
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Speaker 11: I think Tony Burke summed it up best in his
28:45
Speaker 11: February Insiders interview where he said, we are actively doing
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Speaker 11: nothing with regard to this situation, and that is fact.
28:52
Speaker 11: You've got the US reportedly working with Syrian authorities to
28:57
Speaker 11: return these individuals the fot him we're talking about here
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Speaker 11: in Australia, you've got the Australian government who did provide
29:02
Speaker 11: them passports when they didn't have to, and frankly I
29:05
Speaker 11: believe shouldn't have. You've got the Australian government, as you say,
29:09
Speaker 11: standing idly by while other countries and non government organizations. Frankly,
29:15
Speaker 11: they are organizations that I don't believe have our nation's
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Speaker 11: interests at heart, organizing who comes back into this country albow,
29:23
Speaker 11: the Prime Minister should be having the final say. I mean,
29:27
Speaker 11: who have we got running the country if not the
29:29
Speaker 11: Australian government. It's frankly shameful. And we've even tried to
29:33
Speaker 11: help out by introducing laws to make it illegal to
29:37
Speaker 11: assist people coming back into the country unless you have
29:40
Speaker 11: government permission. And guess what labor voted.
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Speaker 2: No, Well, you know the bloke who's helping them. Of
29:46
Speaker 2: course he's got the T shirt that says he's Tony
29:49
Speaker 2: Burke's best labor Muslim made. He's heavily involved here. But
29:54
Speaker 2: I want to just point out that comment you made
29:57
Speaker 2: there about the United States, because that's a late as
30:00
Speaker 2: I went to weir on the Australian website to say
30:04
Speaker 2: that there is some coordination we're toil between US officials
30:09
Speaker 2: and these women in Damascus and assistants being granted by
30:13
Speaker 2: them to return to Australia. Now you and I both
30:17
Speaker 2: know the US government doesn't do anything to help Australian
30:22
Speaker 2: citizens in a place like Damascus unless that is sanctioned
30:26
Speaker 2: by the Australian government. Are the by officials, the post
30:31
Speaker 2: on the ground, some conversation between Washington, DC and Canberra.
30:37
Speaker 2: I think that is really significant.
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Speaker 11: I agree, it does point to the government doing more
30:43
Speaker 11: than nothing. And frankly, they look, as you said, right
30:46
Speaker 11: at the beginning, they issued them passports when they didn't
30:49
Speaker 11: have to. They could have applied temporary exclusion orders to
30:52
Speaker 11: more than one of the thirty four in this cohort.
30:55
Speaker 11: And yeah, I reckon you are dead right. You could
30:57
Speaker 11: bet your house on the fact that this government have
30:59
Speaker 11: had interaction with the US government at officials level, perhaps
31:04
Speaker 11: even ministeria. We don't know to coordinate this arrangement here
31:09
Speaker 11: because this government that have had secret meetings behind closed doors.
31:13
Speaker 11: Tony Burke and Jamal Riffi, who you've already mentioned, they
31:16
Speaker 11: are trying to do everything to look like they aren't
31:19
Speaker 11: helping this group out, but are very happy for others
31:21
Speaker 11: to step in. Be it Save the Children, be it
31:24
Speaker 11: Jamal Riffi, the United States Government, Red Cross, Save the Children, whoever.
31:28
Speaker 11: They are all on the list of people helping out,
31:31
Speaker 11: and this government know exactly what's going on, but they're
31:33
Speaker 11: trying to dub the Australian people into thinking they're doing nothing,
31:36
Speaker 11: and it is a shameful lie.
31:39
Speaker 2: It's sort of like they're saying we're doing nothing, like
31:41
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's saying that I'm tough and I'm doing nothing.
31:44
Speaker 2: But then you've got the Foreign Minister Penny Wong, You've
31:46
Speaker 2: got other ministers out there saying, oh, well, they could
31:49
Speaker 2: very well get arrested when they land back in Australia.
31:51
Speaker 2: Now that's all bs. You know that they're not going
31:53
Speaker 2: to get arrested, but if they did, I'd like them arrested,
31:56
Speaker 2: as Ben Roberts Smith was in the full glare of them,
32:00
Speaker 2: you know, getting off in their burkers, rounded up by
32:02
Speaker 2: the police. Issued to the media footage of what's gone on.
32:07
Speaker 2: So we in Australia know, finally our government's getting tough
32:11
Speaker 2: on these women connected to terrorism and not these Islamic
32:15
Speaker 2: brides and brides. And you and I both know what's
32:19
Speaker 2: gone on here in the past. I think we've had
32:21
Speaker 2: a gut full.
32:23
Speaker 11: Yeah we have, but this whole idea that they'll face
32:28
Speaker 11: have the full force of the law brought upon them
32:30
Speaker 11: when they return. I'm sorry, if you're going to be
32:32
Speaker 11: arrested when you're half off a plane, you're not the
32:34
Speaker 11: kind of person I think we should be allowing into
32:36
Speaker 11: the country. I think this is ridiculous. As a government,
32:39
Speaker 11: they should be saying, no, you are not coming back.
32:41
Speaker 11: But anyway, they're saying they'll face have the full force
32:45
Speaker 11: of the law placed upon them upon their return. But yeah,
32:48
Speaker 11: we should be demonstrating that if they've gone to a
32:51
Speaker 11: declared terror hotspot, have been a member or an associate
32:54
Speaker 11: of a terrorist organization like ISIS, have committed terror related crimes,
32:59
Speaker 11: then yeah, they should be arrested and they should be
33:01
Speaker 11: done so publicly, because, frankly, the feedback on receiving in
33:05
Speaker 11: my office Australians have lost confidence. I mean, we're quick
33:09
Speaker 11: to deport dissidents in government policy like Israeli diplomats or
33:13
Speaker 11: block politicians from Israel. But when it comes to this crowd,
33:17
Speaker 11: well we'll let them come in and you know they'll
33:19
Speaker 11: be clamped down with the full force of the law. Frankly, Peter,
33:23
Speaker 11: I think it's a shamozzle and the government could have
33:26
Speaker 11: done a lot more than they have, but it all
33:28
Speaker 11: will be on display at Senate Estimates in just under
33:30
Speaker 11: a month's time.
33:33
Speaker 2: I have to leave it there, john O. But as
33:34
Speaker 2: I do, I just want to say, you know, you
33:36
Speaker 2: are a Tasmanian senator as well as being a Shadow
33:39
Speaker 2: Minister for Home Affairs, and I think I think all
33:42
Speaker 2: Australians are reflecting on the anniversary of Port Arthur thirty
33:46
Speaker 2: years on today. But I am mindful and I am
33:48
Speaker 2: thinking very much of the residents and the people of
33:51
Speaker 2: Tasmania because it changed your state like nothing else. So
33:55
Speaker 2: thank you for joining me tonight. All right, like the break,
33:59
Speaker 2: there's striking parallels between war crimes investigations in the UK
34:04
Speaker 2: and what was seeing with the Breton Report in Australia.
34:11
Speaker 5: Welcome back.
34:12
Speaker 2: Well there's you're battling to fill up your petrol tag.
34:13
Speaker 2: You won't believe how much some bureaucrats are being paid.
34:18
Speaker 2: I'll get to that at a moment. The first I
34:20
Speaker 2: want to go back and have a look at that
34:21
Speaker 2: US story unfolding now in the UK. The British Attorney General,
34:25
Speaker 2: Lord Hermer, once a barrister Richard Hermer, is involved in
34:30
Speaker 2: claims by The Telegraph newspaper that he advised lawyers prosecuting
34:33
Speaker 2: British soldiers to sex up the claims about civilians being
34:37
Speaker 2: killed unlawfully, even when it's been found that he admitted
34:41
Speaker 2: the claims may not have been true. Here's former British
34:45
Speaker 2: soldier and Conservative minister Tom touganhat on the moral enormity
34:50
Speaker 2: of what's now been exposed.
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Speaker 12: Lost few days, we've discovered that the Attorney General of
34:55
Speaker 12: the United Kingdom, the person charged with giving legal advice
34:59
Speaker 12: to the government, has been advising people over many years
35:06
Speaker 12: on how to bring prosecutions against British soldiers, how to
35:09
Speaker 12: profit from those prosecutions, and how to undermine the security
35:13
Speaker 12: of the UK state. Those words were heard around the
35:16
Speaker 12: world and young men in countries like Iraq and Afghanistan
35:19
Speaker 12: would have been encouraged to see British soldiers. Theres nothing
35:23
Speaker 12: more than another gang, another militia coming to murder them
35:26
Speaker 12: and their family.
35:29
Speaker 2: Right here to discuss this in more Skyness contributor News
35:31
Speaker 2: Corp Australia correspondent Sophie Ellsworth. I have to say, as Sophie,
35:38
Speaker 2: what's happening in Australia right now? The whole case against
35:41
Speaker 2: Ben Robert Smith, the whole Brereton inquiry. When you read
35:46
Speaker 2: these revelations now about Lord Hama, I tell you it
35:50
Speaker 2: sounds very very familiar. What's been the reaction there to this.
35:56
Speaker 9: Well, it does sound very familiar, Peter, and there's been
35:59
Speaker 9: a lot of outrage over these claims against him, and
36:03
Speaker 9: also comments that he said that human rights lawyers have
36:07
Speaker 9: done more for society than the actual British soldiers themselves,
36:13
Speaker 9: which is incredibly concerning. Now we know that he is
36:17
Speaker 9: a very close ally of Sekre Starmer. He's the Attorney
36:20
Speaker 9: General here in the k the highest law officer in
36:24
Speaker 9: the UK. But unfortunately, Peter, the kir Starma government has
36:30
Speaker 9: its own problems with the Lord Mandelson issues, so that
36:33
Speaker 9: has really overshadowed this. But it is remarkably similar and
36:38
Speaker 9: very concerning. There's been a lot of outrage from the
36:41
Speaker 9: British services over here concerned by these claims against him.
36:48
Speaker 2: And what really concerned me was that that it was
36:51
Speaker 2: British law firms that were sort of ambulance chasing really,
36:55
Speaker 2: that they were representing Iraqis in British courts. The casing
37:00
Speaker 2: compensation from British taxpayers and they claimed they were civilians.
37:06
Speaker 2: Of course they were found not to be civilians. They
37:08
Speaker 2: were found to be Iraqi insurgents. I mean, this again
37:14
Speaker 2: is pretty horrific.
37:17
Speaker 9: It is Peter and the cost to the British taxpayers
37:20
Speaker 9: of this and also pursuing these legal claims knowing many
37:25
Speaker 9: of them were very dodgy and perhaps unable to be
37:28
Speaker 9: stood up. So this is very concerning, particularly for the
37:32
Speaker 9: Prime Minister given his close ties to Lord Harmer. So
37:37
Speaker 9: this is a very serious claims made against him, very
37:42
Speaker 9: damaging for both involved.
37:46
Speaker 2: I noticed yesterday yesterday, I noticed the other day you
37:49
Speaker 2: interviewed a distinguished veteran ex sas British Regimental Sergeant Major
37:54
Speaker 2: George sim He was scathing of the arrest of Ben
37:58
Speaker 2: Roberts Smith.
37:59
Speaker 5: Have a listen, you know.
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Speaker 13: There's this thing about people who get high gallant re awards.
38:05
Speaker 13: Everybody likes to take them down. Right, He's getting dragged
38:08
Speaker 13: through the media. It's embarrassing him, his family's friends, the
38:11
Speaker 13: military as a whole. It's embarrassing his friends across here
38:16
Speaker 13: because we're all part of one big, old, happy family
38:18
Speaker 13: in the Special Air Service and all that's foreign effect.
38:24
Speaker 5: Well, what an interview Sophie.
38:27
Speaker 9: It really was quite incredible Peter to speak to George
38:30
Speaker 9: sim He was, as you can see, outraged by what
38:34
Speaker 9: he had witnessed in Australia. He was very concerned about
38:37
Speaker 9: how the arrest took place of Ben Roberts Smith and
38:41
Speaker 9: he said that the arrest in Australia is having ripple
38:44
Speaker 9: effects here in the UK. Soldiers are concerned that allegations
38:49
Speaker 9: may be leveled against them and it's resulting in people
38:53
Speaker 9: leaving the armed forces early. So again you can see
38:58
Speaker 9: issues in Australia being mirrored here you're in the UK.
39:00
Speaker 9: But he was very very concerned by these claims and
39:05
Speaker 9: said it is having an impact on British soldiers here
39:08
Speaker 9: in London.
39:10
Speaker 2: Look just quickly, the State Visitor of the King and
39:13
Speaker 2: the Queens in the United States is underway. The King
39:15
Speaker 2: of course expected to address Congress during the four day visit.
39:19
Speaker 5: I know a lot's been said.
39:21
Speaker 2: Should he have postponed it after the events on the weekend?
39:25
Speaker 2: Is he going to mend the relationship that's fallen apart
39:28
Speaker 2: between the President and the Prime Minister Kirs Starmer?
39:31
Speaker 5: But I want to know is he going.
39:32
Speaker 2: To stop in and see Harry and Meghan and the
39:35
Speaker 2: kids on the way home.
39:36
Speaker 9: Is that on the cards, Peter, absolutely not. I mean,
39:40
Speaker 9: Harry just keeps coming out speaking when he shouldn't and
39:44
Speaker 9: really should stay out of international affairs. He's no longer
39:49
Speaker 9: a working war really, but he's pretending to be one.
39:52
Speaker 9: But we know that the King is over there meeting
39:56
Speaker 9: with President Trump. He's going to address US Congress today.
40:00
Speaker 9: They get on very well. They have a great relationship.
40:03
Speaker 9: And Peter, this is critical for the UK right now
40:06
Speaker 9: because we know there are frosty relations right now between
40:10
Speaker 9: Secure Starma and President Trump as a result of what
40:14
Speaker 9: is going on in the Middle East war and Donald
40:17
Speaker 9: Trump's claims that the UK have abandoned the US in
40:20
Speaker 9: this fight in the Middle East.
40:24
Speaker 2: Thank you, Sophia'll leave it there. Pretty great day in London,
40:26
Speaker 2: but I suspect this former then we're going to come
40:28
Speaker 2: into winter here. Okay, after the break those performance reviews
40:32
Speaker 2: for the bureaucrats, their salaries have ballooned as a result.
40:42
Speaker 5: All right, now, listen to this.
40:45
Speaker 2: The suburban rail loop in Victoria, a very controversial project,
40:49
Speaker 2: was meant to cost fifty billion dollars.
40:52
Speaker 5: It's now blown out.
40:53
Speaker 2: They stay somewhere to between one fifty billion and two
40:58
Speaker 2: hundred billion dollars. Debt overall is another two hundred billion dollars.
41:04
Speaker 2: But the public servant in charge of this rail loop,
41:08
Speaker 2: which has blown out obviously well behind its role at timing,
41:14
Speaker 2: has been revealed as earning eight hundred thousand dollars. And
41:18
Speaker 2: he's not alone with big, big money. Documents that the
41:21
Speaker 2: remuneration Tribunal in Victoria say that there is another two
41:25
Speaker 2: earning over one point nine million, so cumulate three people
41:30
Speaker 2: earning about two million dollars in salaries. And we know
41:33
Speaker 2: that because they were given special license to bypass the
41:38
Speaker 2: maximum bans the public servants can earn. Join me now
41:42
Speaker 2: to discuss his former Liberal MP, Nicole Flint and Page
41:46
Speaker 2: Research Center chief executive Jared Holland. Well, it's not as
41:50
Speaker 2: if we're getting value for money in Victoria. Everything costs
41:53
Speaker 2: too much. Everything's blowing out in terms of time. We
41:56
Speaker 2: know the ombudsman, Jared's put out a report that says
41:59
Speaker 2: this is the most political public service she's ever had
42:02
Speaker 2: to investigate. So if Jess Wilson was serious, she would say,
42:06
Speaker 2: if I am elected, I'm going to just review everybody
42:10
Speaker 2: I'd say sack everybody, but review everybody on these big
42:13
Speaker 2: paypackets and say are we getting value for money as taxpayers,
42:18
Speaker 2: and maybe just the base their pay on performance. They
42:23
Speaker 2: don't meet their targets, that don't operate inside their budget,
42:26
Speaker 2: we don't pay them much. When they do, they get
42:28
Speaker 2: a bonus.
42:30
Speaker 1: In every other industry, the buck stops with the boss.
42:33
Speaker 1: And so if I was come to it to my
42:36
Speaker 1: board and say, oh, look I budgeted X amounts it
42:39
Speaker 1: turned out it was four or five times the amount,
42:41
Speaker 1: but don't worry, I'll get the taxpayer to pay for it,
42:44
Speaker 1: but they would laugh me out the room. I would
42:46
Speaker 1: be sacked, I would be embarrassed, wouldn't be able to
42:48
Speaker 1: find work anywhere else. And here they're given an enormous
42:51
Speaker 1: pay rise, well above and beyond the actual caps that
42:55
Speaker 1: are set in statute to stop these kind of rules
42:58
Speaker 1: from happening. It defies belief. And when you think about
43:01
Speaker 1: the debt that's accumulating, and you made the point in
43:04
Speaker 1: your intro, Peter, about how much debt Victoria is in
43:07
Speaker 1: how they are able to justify this. Now, the idea,
43:10
Speaker 1: the excuse that they gave was, well that insider knowledge
43:13
Speaker 1: is going to be essential, and these are competitive jobs
43:15
Speaker 1: and we wouldn't be able to keep that inside of
43:17
Speaker 1: knowledge elsewhere. I just call that as a complete furfee.
43:21
Speaker 1: You can't tell me that there is no one else
43:23
Speaker 1: in the country who would be able to delive this
43:25
Speaker 1: project better, non spec and on time, especially if they
43:28
Speaker 1: knew that a salary up in that margin even knock
43:31
Speaker 1: one or two hundred thousand off. But I think you'd
43:33
Speaker 1: have applicants lining out the door. This really really stinks,
43:36
Speaker 1: and this has just been yet another catastrophic failure from
43:40
Speaker 1: this state labor government. They are just incompetent and incapable
43:43
Speaker 1: of making anything work on time or on budget. And
43:46
Speaker 1: there's just got to come a point where the Victorian
43:48
Speaker 1: voters just say we've had enough, we need to have
43:51
Speaker 1: an alternative.
43:53
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think you can justify paying over TOTODS
43:56
Speaker 2: for someone who clearly their corporate memory isn't that good
43:59
Speaker 2: and they can't budget. And you know, maybe we do
44:01
Speaker 2: need a clean sheet, you know, someone with a bit
44:03
Speaker 2: of engineering brains who can get out the calculator and
44:07
Speaker 2: keep the costs under control. And Nick, I'm not going
44:09
Speaker 2: to go over all the events obviously at the weekend.
44:11
Speaker 5: But I do want to pick up.
44:13
Speaker 2: Something because Milania Trump, well, the Trump family brought it.
44:17
Speaker 2: But Millania Trump is just a constant sort of point
44:22
Speaker 2: of mockery.
44:24
Speaker 5: For the left.
44:25
Speaker 2: They mock her clothes, they mock her livity in an accent.
44:27
Speaker 2: She can speak five other languages. But you know, they
44:30
Speaker 2: can say things about her that they've never said about
44:33
Speaker 2: another first lady. But for what was said in relation
44:38
Speaker 2: to the two previous assassination attempts against the president. For
44:43
Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmel to say this, it's just disgusting.
44:47
Speaker 3: Have a listen, our first lady, Milania is here.
44:51
Speaker 1: Look at more so beautiful missus Trump.
44:53
Speaker 3: You have a glow like an expectant widow.
44:58
Speaker 2: He reckons it was because you know, Trump's his seventies
45:01
Speaker 2: bs right bs. And she's put out a statement. She
45:04
Speaker 2: really enters the media fray. She's put out a statement
45:07
Speaker 2: and says she expects him to resign. If he doesn't resign,
45:09
Speaker 2: he should be sacked.
45:12
Speaker 14: Can you imagine if somebody on the right had said
45:14
Speaker 14: this about Joe Biden during his presidency, they would have outrage. Yep,
45:20
Speaker 14: that's right, there would have been absolute outrage. I just
45:23
Speaker 14: think this is utterly disgraceful. We now have a president
45:26
Speaker 14: who has had not one, not two, but three attempts
45:31
Speaker 14: on his life, and yes, at the time this appallingly
45:35
Speaker 14: bad taste joke was made, he'd suffered through two attempts
45:39
Speaker 14: on his life. And America is unfortunately the country that
45:43
Speaker 14: has lost four presidents over its history to assassination. This
45:47
Speaker 14: just isn't funny on any level, Peter, and as I
45:52
Speaker 14: said this again once again, it's the double standards of
45:56
Speaker 14: the left and the right. If someone on the right
45:58
Speaker 14: had said this, particular about Joe Biden, there would have
46:01
Speaker 14: been absolute outrage.
46:02
Speaker 5: This guy's got to go.
46:04
Speaker 14: It's just the most disgraceful. It's not funny, it's disgraceful.
46:09
Speaker 5: Talking about blowouts.
46:10
Speaker 2: I've got to get a comment from you joke, because
46:12
Speaker 2: I know you watch energy very closely. Forty two billion
46:16
Speaker 2: dollars for Malcolm Turnbull's snowy boondoggle.
46:21
Speaker 1: But it is I cannot stress enough how poor this
46:25
Speaker 1: investment has been. I mean this, this is a battery,
46:28
Speaker 1: This doesn't produce electricity, and we're now looking at forty
46:31
Speaker 1: two billion dollars. This is just one piece of supporting
46:34
Speaker 1: infrastructure that we have to build. We are looking at
46:37
Speaker 1: and Robert Gottleibson had some figures in the Australian last
46:40
Speaker 1: week over a trillion dollars by the time it's all
46:43
Speaker 1: rolled out in our transmission network. And this is all
46:45
Speaker 1: yet to go on taxpayers bills and at consumers' bills.
46:48
Speaker 1: This won't be avoidable. This is something that we have
46:51
Speaker 1: still got coming over the next decade to start to
46:54
Speaker 1: pay for. We can't get any investment into the capacity
46:57
Speaker 1: investment scheme because they're only looking at intimate, unreliable projects.
47:01
Speaker 1: We've seen this week again Chris Bowen is now rolling
47:03
Speaker 1: out even more subsidies and changing the terms because those
47:06
Speaker 1: winning bids haven't been able to progress in these buildouts.
47:10
Speaker 1: And just at the same time, at the same time
47:12
Speaker 1: I've got this insane, insane buildout, We've had this debate
47:16
Speaker 1: raging about Australia's gas and it just made me realize
47:20
Speaker 1: that between our oil, our gas, our coal, our hydrocarbons,
47:24
Speaker 1: that probably the most taxed industries have in this country,
47:27
Speaker 1: between prrts, between the coal royalties and queens Land, between
47:30
Speaker 1: all the different extraction permits, and it costs literally billions
47:34
Speaker 1: and billions of dollars just to get these projects up
47:36
Speaker 1: and running. But we are so desperate, so desperate for
47:39
Speaker 1: what they provide, that we can't get enough of them,
47:42
Speaker 1: despite the safeguard everything else. On the other side of
47:44
Speaker 1: the ledger. You've got these renewables, We've these huge amounts
47:48
Speaker 1: of supporting infrastructure. We can't get enough investment on. We
47:51
Speaker 1: can't subsidize them enough because the numbers just don't add up.
47:55
Speaker 1: And this is the absolute lunacy and insanity of what
47:57
Speaker 1: this government is embarking upon. You know that comes a
48:01
Speaker 1: point of we could end all this, the government could
48:04
Speaker 1: actually save face and just admit it got it wrong.
48:07
Speaker 1: And it's in the interest of the Australian people to
48:09
Speaker 1: back away, but they won't. They are so arrogant and
48:12
Speaker 1: it is us, the Australian taxpayer, the Australian consumer, who's
48:15
Speaker 1: going to end up suffering for it.
48:18
Speaker 5: Just a really quick comment if I can. Nicole.
48:21
Speaker 2: Another big appointment in Cambridge today, another woman.
48:26
Speaker 14: I just wish we were hearing about her capability to
48:29
Speaker 14: do the job, Peter, and her experience and you know
48:31
Speaker 14: how she has great defense expertise, rather than the fact
48:35
Speaker 14: she's a woman.
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Speaker 5: I got to leave it there. Thanks Nick.
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Speaker 2: No, I think you cut out at the end, but
48:44
Speaker 2: we certainly get the gist of what you said today.
48:46
Speaker 2: I wish we were talking about more than just her gender.
48:49
Speaker 2: I'll leave it there, Thank you to you both.
48:51
Speaker 5: That's it.
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Speaker 2: It's not Andrew tonight, as you know. Filling in for
48:53
Speaker 2: him for the next couple of weeks is James McPherson.
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Speaker 5: But I'll see you tomorrow.