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Remi Wolf · Broken Record with Rick Rubin, Malcolm Gladwell, Bruce Headlam and Justin Richmond

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  Speaker 1: Pushkin.
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  Speaker 2: Singer songwriter Remy Wolf burst out of the pandemic like
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  Speaker 2: a ray of light, spreading joy with her infectious production,
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  Speaker 2: capricious outlook, and jaunty hooks. She appeared to come to
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  Speaker 2: us fully formed, but Remy's been working hard on her
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  Speaker 2: craft for the last decade. She started regularly performing with
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  Speaker 2: local bands around the Bay Area during high school. She
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  Speaker 2: even tried out for American Idol at seventeen years old,
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  Speaker 2: singing Marvin Gays, Let's get it on to j LO. Eventually,
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  Speaker 2: she wound up studying music in La at usc where
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  Speaker 2: she met many of the people she still collaborates with
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  Speaker 2: to this day. On today's Broken Record, Remy Wolf discusses
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  Speaker 2: finding her musical footing in Los Angeles, walks us through
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  Speaker 2: the writing of her new album, Big Ideas, and talks
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  Speaker 2: about her summer experience opening up for Oliver Yar Rodrigo
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  Speaker 2: in Europe. This is Broken Record Liner notes to the
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  Speaker 2: digital Age.
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  Speaker 1: I'm justin Mitchmill.
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  Speaker 2: Here's my conversation with Remy Wolf. To see the video
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  Speaker 2: of this podcast, head over to YouTube dot com slash
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  Speaker 2: Broken Record Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I love the Toro hat. Oh yeah, thank you, one
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  Speaker 1: of my favorite.
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  Speaker 2: Songs on your album's Toro Toro into Alone in Miami.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great combo.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, the twins eternal twins.
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  Speaker 1: Is that how you think about them?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, They're like there were birds from the same egg
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  Speaker 3: to me, really yeah, but different sperm.
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  Speaker 1: The same all right, that's that's twins. You're right, twins,
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  Speaker 1: that's genius. Okay, what what makes them?
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  Speaker 3: Or maybe it's two eggs and then two different spirms.
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  Speaker 1: Not that's not think too deeply.
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  Speaker 3: Not prepared.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a scientist to figure that out.
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  Speaker 1: What those are the earliest songs you.
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  Speaker 3: Wrote, Yeah, those were written in kind of the first
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  Speaker 3: couple of sessions I did for the album back in
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty two with my friend Jack de Mayo and
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  Speaker 3: my friend Ethan Gruska up in mantrase, Los Angeles. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Was it a writing session specifically for a new album
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  Speaker 2: or just yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I mean I knew that coming out of my first album,
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to make a second one, being on a
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  Speaker 3: major label and everything, but but I didn't really know,
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  Speaker 3: like exactly how it would come together. And those sessions
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  Speaker 3: with Ethan and Jack were kind of the beginning of
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  Speaker 3: the exploration of kind of the sonic and storytelling identity
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  Speaker 3: of this album, I guess, yeah. We wrote. We us
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  Speaker 3: two wrote together for like two weeks in total, but
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  Speaker 3: they were separated by a couple months, and I think
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  Speaker 3: within those two weeks we wrote like fifteen or sixteen songs,
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  Speaker 3: so we kind of like, really were.
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  Speaker 1: What songs that made the album come out?
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  Speaker 3: Of those Toro Alone in Miami and uh, frog Rock.
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  Speaker 1: I Love I fucking love frog Rock.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the frog Rock's fun. Yeah, that was the first
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  Speaker 3: song we actually wrote of all of those days. That
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  Speaker 3: was the first song of all of them, which was cool.
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  Speaker 1: Did you complete it that day or that in that
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  Speaker 1: in those sessions of two weeks?
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  Speaker 3: Uh, the song was like written. We went back and produced,
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  Speaker 3: produced it out a little more and kind of got
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  Speaker 3: a little bit deeper with the production almost a year
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  Speaker 3: later probably, but yeah, that song the Yeah, the identity
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  Speaker 3: of that song was kind of created in the first day.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty much. Toro and Alone in Miami were both alone,
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  Speaker 3: little different. We wrote both of those on acoustic guitar,
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  Speaker 3: and we like recorded the demos on acoustic guitar and
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  Speaker 3: then came back a while later and kind of reopened
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  Speaker 3: them and built them out a little bit more from there.
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  Speaker 3: Toro is an entirely different song than what it first
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  Speaker 3: or like, it sounds just so wildly different.
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  Speaker 1: It was just think there's any guitar on it, acoustic
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  Speaker 1: guitar really right, even.
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  Speaker 3: In the there's no acoustic guitar. It's kind of all
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  Speaker 3: like little funky electric licks and stuff like that. Really
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  Speaker 3: bass heavy. Now. At first, it was just kind of
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  Speaker 3: this like almost motowny acoustic guitar song. I remember going
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  Speaker 3: into the songwriting of that one. I was like, I
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  Speaker 3: really wanted to write something that felt like Motown, which
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  Speaker 3: is so interesting that it's now Toro because it's it's
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  Speaker 3: a it's sonically, I mean definitely not most.
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  Speaker 2: Step and I don't think by the way, it's a
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  Speaker 2: little different than My Girl.
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  Speaker 3: I mean yeah, in terms of the content or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, there were there is some Motown
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  Speaker 3: has some sexual innuendos going on up in those songs.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe they're a little bit more hidden than mine. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know I.
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  Speaker 2: Think of which ones, you know, yeah, probably some Marvin somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: Sure there was some.
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  Speaker 3: Sugar Pie Honey Bunch. Sugar Pie Honey Bunch. I think
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  Speaker 3: it's just me, but yeah, it.
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  Speaker 1: Could be, though I see what you mean. I see
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  Speaker 1: what you mean, like that could be, But I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was more. I think it's more innocent
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  Speaker 1: than that. What made you?
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  Speaker 2: What made you want to that particular day? What made
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  Speaker 2: you want to write a motown sounding song?
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  Speaker 3: I have no idea. I couldn't tell you.
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  Speaker 1: Is it a catalog you listened.
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  Speaker 3: To a lot sometimes? I mean, like the classics I
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  Speaker 3: feel like are on my shuffle, you know, in my
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  Speaker 3: in my library. But I don't know. I think I
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  Speaker 3: just wanted I think we I think we were writing
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  Speaker 3: a lot of kind of folk rock stuff that week,
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  Speaker 3: and I kind of wanted to just change it up.
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  Speaker 3: And I guess when when I was in college, I
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  Speaker 3: went to USC Thrton School Music, and part of our
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  Speaker 3: curriculum was we spent almost a full semester on motown
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  Speaker 3: wow and like learning those songs front to back, like
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  Speaker 3: replicating them essentially in our performance class. So i'd I'd
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  Speaker 3: had a lot of experience kind of getting inside those songs,
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  Speaker 3: and I hadn't done that for a while. But Jack,
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  Speaker 3: my friend that I was writing with, went to school
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  Speaker 3: with me, so we both kind of had that repertoire
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  Speaker 3: like within us, and I think that I was kind
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  Speaker 3: of just like, we should do something that is kind
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  Speaker 3: of a throwback to Motown, throwback to like that time
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  Speaker 3: that we spent together in school almost. I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, I said it on a whim and we
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  Speaker 3: kind of just rolled ran with it.
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  Speaker 1: But and the demo does sound like maybe closer to.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think some of the chords, you know, are
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  Speaker 3: kind of two five to one chord progression in there,
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  Speaker 3: which is pretty motowny and just pretty jazzy and solely.
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  Speaker 1: That college education.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I feel I'm so distant from it now
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  Speaker 3: that like all of my knowledge is a little bit rusty.
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  Speaker 3: But if you had caught me when I was like nineteen,
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  Speaker 3: I could just riddle off some theory.
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  Speaker 1: Intense theory, I'm sure, right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Now it's kind of it's kind of gone, and luckily.
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  Speaker 2: I don't it's probably for the best right somewhere back there,
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  Speaker 2: Like it's still there, it's still.
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  Speaker 3: There, but it's it's fuzzy. And I think I always
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  Speaker 3: kind of kept my like actual education at arm's length,
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  Speaker 3: especially when going into you know, writing music for my
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  Speaker 3: own project. It's because I like didn't want any rules
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  Speaker 3: attached to what I was making, And I think school
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  Speaker 3: it's really good for a lot of things, but they
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  Speaker 3: do kind of you know, there there's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: processes that they that they kind of instill, and some
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  Speaker 3: of them are really for the best, and some of
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  Speaker 3: them I think can stifle your creativity at times. So
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  Speaker 3: I've I've kind of gotten to pick and choose what
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  Speaker 3: what I learned from my education that really works for me.
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  Speaker 2: So how many people that you collaborate with now work
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  Speaker 2: with now come from your time at school at USC?
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  Speaker 3: Some people, Yeah, Jack, he's a big one. Connor Malloy,
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  Speaker 3: my drummer. I've been with him. He's been playing in
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  Speaker 3: my band since we were in college together, so we've
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  Speaker 3: been playing together for probably eight years now. I mean
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  Speaker 3: a lot of my lot of my friends. My friend
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  Speaker 3: Danny Fahrenbach, he plays trumpet for me. Sometimes you still
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  Speaker 3: hang with a lot of people from Yeah, Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: My friend Liz, who I have famously written a song about. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: she's around, She's like one of my best friends. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we're all kind of floating around. I feel like I've
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  Speaker 3: my main collaborators musically did not go to USC with me,
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  Speaker 3: but I mean Jared Solomon, who's like been my main
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  Speaker 3: collaborator for a really long time high school since high school. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean yeah, we met in high school.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't go to the same high school as you were,
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  Speaker 1: just kind of from No.
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  Speaker 3: We went to the same after school music program together,
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  Speaker 3: and yeah, we had like a very kismet meeting where
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  Speaker 3: like we had the same instructor and one day we
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  Speaker 3: were there at the same time and he threw us
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  Speaker 3: both in a room and Jared was like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: really good guitar player and I was a singer, and
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  Speaker 3: he's like, Okay, you guys should do a cover. So
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  Speaker 3: we covered Valerie the Amy Winehouse cover that she did
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  Speaker 3: with Mark Ronson, and we kind of were like both
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  Speaker 3: very wide eyed at each other. We were like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: you're good at this, and it.
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  Speaker 2: Was like you you're good at guitar, You're great at singing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like a very mutual like okay, And
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  Speaker 3: I think that opened up a world for us at
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  Speaker 3: the time. And then we ended up being in a
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  Speaker 3: band together in high school, writing a lot. We did
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  Speaker 3: like battle the bands together, We like played at bars
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  Speaker 3: and restaurants and we busked together, and he ended up
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  Speaker 3: going to Berkeley College of Music, and he was a
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  Speaker 3: year older than me, so I he was gone and
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  Speaker 3: I went to USC and then four years later we
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  Speaker 3: ended up. He ended up coming through LA on a
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  Speaker 3: tour that he was on with one of his friends
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  Speaker 3: from school, and he ended up hitting me up to
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  Speaker 3: ask if he could stay in my house for a
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  Speaker 3: week and a half. And luckily, I kind of lived
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  Speaker 3: in a bit of a trap house at the time,
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  Speaker 3: so I was like, yeah, sure, you can, like sleep
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  Speaker 3: on the couch, and he came through and then we
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  Speaker 3: set up a little studio in my room and that
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  Speaker 3: was kind of the beginning of us working together again.
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  Speaker 3: And that kind of kicked everything off.
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  Speaker 2: And was that I'm trying to because it's funny. I
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  Speaker 2: was looking back first of all, Remy and Chloe. I
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  Speaker 2: just discovered that like a week ago. But the cover.
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  Speaker 2: I used to live in the Bay around that time,
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  Speaker 2: and the cover was like a flag.
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  Speaker 1: I knew. I'd seen that in a couple of places.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I got coverage in like the
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  Speaker 2: East Bay Express or the time I was working on
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  Speaker 2: the Calyx the radio stations, so.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe the cover of our songs.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the cover of that r E P the EP.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's so funny.
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  Speaker 1: I flashed back. I was like, yo, I know this
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  Speaker 1: cover from that's so wid Yeah. Yeah, I mean I
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  Speaker 1: didn't realize it was.
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  Speaker 3: We played. We played around the Bay area a lot,
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  Speaker 3: like we played in San Francisco, we played in Oakland,
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  Speaker 3: we played in Redwood City, we played in Alalto, Memo Park,
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  Speaker 3: San Jose, like we were kind of.
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  Speaker 1: Probably saw in Oakland or somewhere.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we were, we were. We were up and down
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  Speaker 3: the the Silicon Valley. It was. It was that's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was interesting like seeing that stuff, like going
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  Speaker 2: back and checking out some of that stuff, you like,
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  Speaker 2: were much more like kind of roots like your music
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  Speaker 2: full stylings were much more like rootsy. You know, it
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  Speaker 2: seemed like you were much more connected to and probably
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  Speaker 2: still are, soul music in a lot of ways.
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  Speaker 3: And and you know, yeah that. I mean, my my
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  Speaker 3: musical upgrade upbringing then was a lot of Stevie Wonder,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of like the Beatles, a lot of Red
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  Speaker 3: Hot Chili Peppers, James Taylor, uh, you know, funk stuff.
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  Speaker 3: I mean I was listening to a lot of stuff,
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  Speaker 3: but I a lot of Marvin Gaye, a lot of
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  Speaker 3: Emmy Winehouse. I mean I loved her as a kid.
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  Speaker 3: I remember I listened to a lot of Joss Stone. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: when I was a young girl.
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  Speaker 2: I was just thinking about her recently. I haven't I know,
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  Speaker 2: I was too.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know why, but she came up. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know why she came up, but she was so sick.
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  Speaker 3: She had some great, great songs, and she was really young.
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  Speaker 1: Those are great records, No.
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  Speaker 3: They are Adele, I mean classic, I Eric Abatdo. I
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  Speaker 3: had like a little snarky puppy face when I was
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  Speaker 3: a kid. Yeah, yeah, tool Randomly, I was just kind
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  Speaker 3: of like soaking it all in. And I was in
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  Speaker 3: this I was in this after school program, and essentially
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  Speaker 3: I was just surrounded by all these kids who were
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  Speaker 3: also interested in music, and we all would play together
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  Speaker 3: in these bands, and we would play covers, we'd do
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  Speaker 3: like recitals, and I learned so much music that way.
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  Speaker 3: And I've kind of always been into like live band
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  Speaker 3: can figurations and kind of the sound of like rock
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  Speaker 3: and live like live stuff in that way, because it's
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  Speaker 3: how I grew up. And I think that's such a
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  Speaker 3: it's still such a core element of how I make
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  Speaker 3: my music now, it's like I need it to be
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  Speaker 3: real instruments or else. I am lost some yeah, I'm lost.
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  Speaker 3: Something's wrong. It's like it's losing part of me.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's incredible.
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  Speaker 2: How long I want to show you this because I
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  Speaker 2: blew me away when I saw this. This is incredible. How
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  Speaker 2: long you've had this is? I think this is you
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  Speaker 2: in when you're sixteen, seventeen, eighteen.
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  Speaker 1: The band's amazing, though.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, what is it?
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  Speaker 1: You tell me? What?
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  Speaker 3: Oh god, oh I can't believe you're pulling this up.
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  Speaker 1: We don't.
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  Speaker 3: This is awesome music, is my Yeah, you're in high school?
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god? Do that? Those are my voice?
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  Speaker 1: Kids are? Kids?
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  Speaker 3: Are sick? Yeah, we're doing it. You know. That's my
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  Speaker 3: friend Chloeing. That's my friend Greg. Is that Dreg?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Who are the bass players killing it too?
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  Speaker 3: That's Terry Justice. He was in my van. I actually
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  Speaker 3: just saw him for the first time in like ten years. Bro.
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  Speaker 3: I just saw him for the first time in Copenhagen.
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  Speaker 3: He lives there. He's in there. Yeah, he's lived there
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  Speaker 3: for like seven years. And yeah, just reunited with him
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  Speaker 3: like a month ago, and it was so amazing. To
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  Speaker 3: see him, like he's so unchanged. He's the same, same dude.
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  Speaker 1: Is he doing music still?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's in like cover bands with like fifty year
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  Speaker 3: old man and stuff. But he's thriving. I mean he
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  Speaker 3: loves it over there. But yeah, he's he was really
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  Speaker 3: he was in my life. We were good friends. And
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  Speaker 3: Aaron Valaio is the drummer.
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  Speaker 2: He was a killed drum He took a drum solo
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  Speaker 2: in that video later. Yeah, he shows you to check
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  Speaker 2: it out. He killed the solo.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't seen him. I haven't. I probably haven't
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  Speaker 3: seen him since I don't know, twenty fourteen and yeah, but.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like you had like good musicians around you.
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  Speaker 3: We were Yeah, we were like training, we were doing it.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody's very passionate about it.
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  Speaker 2: What I was trying to figure out where the jump
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  Speaker 2: came from to, you know, like the music you started
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  Speaker 2: putting out twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, that feels much less like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, just derivative, Like your music is so original
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  Speaker 2: to my ears, thank you it like, but there's clearly
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, it seems like there was clearly a
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  Speaker 2: change in the way you started if not writing like
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  Speaker 2: thinking about you know, producing out your songs or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: I think me going off to school and really exploring
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  Speaker 3: songwriting on my own was really helpful in that process
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  Speaker 3: because I was kind of figuring out what chords I liked,
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  Speaker 3: what keys I liked singing in like, I started just
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  Speaker 3: kind of to figure out how to write songs that
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  Speaker 3: made sense to me. And that was just my own
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  Speaker 3: journey that I was taking kind of in my bedroom
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  Speaker 3: in school, because to be honest, I like I love
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  Speaker 3: to skip class, loved it and did that a lot,
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  Speaker 3: and I would just kind of be writing in my
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  Speaker 3: room and or hanging out with like my roommates and
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  Speaker 3: jamming in my living room, or like I had this
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  Speaker 3: little EDM phase where me and my friend Danny would
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  Speaker 3: go into his room and like take out or all
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  Speaker 3: and like make so much DM music. And that was
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  Speaker 3: so crazy. I think I just I just was. I
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  Speaker 3: essentially didn't release or record any music for four years,
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  Speaker 3: like in all of the time that I was there, and.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty fifteen to nineteen, rough.
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  Speaker 3: Like twenty fourteen to twenty eighteen, I essentially was just
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  Speaker 3: like Silent. I did a couple live shows here and there,
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  Speaker 3: We did a lot of house parties where we would
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  Speaker 3: do like covers and stuff. But I was kind of
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  Speaker 3: just bubbling and like letting myself explore in a way
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  Speaker 3: that I hadn't really done before.
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  Speaker 2: Did it feel good or did you feel kind of
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  Speaker 2: wayward lost because you seem like hyper focused when you
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  Speaker 2: were younger on?
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  Speaker 3: I never felt lost. I just felt like I was evolving.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like that That's one thing about me that
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: I like about myself. Not to validate myself, but I
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: like that I'm I've always kind of been a person
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: that if I set my mind to it and if
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: I tell myself I'm gonna do it, I just do
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: it and there's like no second thoughts. And I I
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: just I still am that way even in my music,
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: mostly in my music making of just like I am
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: a deep, deep believer in my intuition and my gut
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: and in my subconscious to kind of guide me to
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: where I need to go. And I've kind of always
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: had that trust in myself since I was little, especially
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: in music.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Come from a nate, I don't know.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: I think my parents were always really supportive of me.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that had anything to contribute to it,
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: but even even early, like when I wasn't good, like
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: when I couldn't like sing on pitch or whatever, I
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: was still like, eh, you know, I got this. And
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: then eventually, like my ability is caught up I think
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: with me, and I was kind of able to I mean,
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: even when it was horrible. I just had this belief
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: in myself and.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Other people validating you.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was being validated by like, you know,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: other musicians who were my age, and I had some
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: teachers who were really encouraging. For sure. I think I
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: don't know something vocally, something switched when I was fifteen.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it was hormones or whatever the hell.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know what the hell it was, but I
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: could all of a sudden when I turned fifteen, and
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: I was like able to sing with this rasp and
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: like really strongly, whereas like before, I was kind of
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: wasn't working as well. Yeah, And I think once I
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: kind of started to be able to tap into my
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: voice and discover the power of my voice, I like
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: was really I really started leading in leading into too,
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: like really singing and performing and making music because it
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: just made me feel good.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more from Remy Wolf After
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: this break, we're back with more from Remy Wolf. How
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: much earlier than fifteen did you start singing?
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Like I started singing when I was in probably fourth grade?
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Third or fourth grade.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Your parents aren't musical, right, Like they're not.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: No, not at all.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Is anyone else in your family musical?
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: No? Not, like not really at all. My some of
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: my siblings can like hold a tune for sure, and like,
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, nobody else in my family makes music. Actually,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: some of my my cousins love to write poetry and
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: like rap, but none of them have pursued it professionally
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: in the same way that I have. But I think
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: my family is a creative family. Like my mom is
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: in is a chef, has been into cooking her whole life.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: My grandparents are really into food. And my grandpa is
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: like an entrepreneur. He's started I like countless, like so
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: many random little businesses. Like he had this like little
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: business where he would make side tables out of stone,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: and then he has like a pickle company, and he
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: has like a vinegar company.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Those kind of those go together.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, pickles of vinegar, that's cool. But and then
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: my dad is like really entrepreneurial as well, so I
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: think I think what I learned from them was like,
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: if I want to be my own boss, I can,
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: which I now am, which I don't think there's any
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: other way that I could exist. As I said before,
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: I'm like too controlling and I would just never be
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: able to hold down a job. I don't think there's
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: some creativity flowing through just.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: In the way your family existed.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Just talking about bosses, you mentioned it earlier that you
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: did get like you are signed to a major label,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: signed to Island.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: How did that happen?
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: What was the process, like, you know, I mean, you
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: started putting out music in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty again
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, nineteen twenty. Yeah, people really started liking it.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: At what point did labels start reaching out to.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: You very immediately? Which was crazy. I put out a
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: song called Guy in January of twenty nineteen, and I
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: was it kind of immediately got on kind of this
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Spotify new music algorithm, do you know how no clue,
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: no idea, And that was kind of like the beginning
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: of Spotify, like the playlisting boom. Yeah, but yeah, it
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: got in some sort of system and was being you know,
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: fed to people on their algorithm, and from that I
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: was reached out to by a couple anrs. One an
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: R being this anar Hill that I ended up signing
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: with at Island. He was the first an R that
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: ever reached out to me, which I felt was Yeah,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: it was like fitting and really the signing process took
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: about a year and I ended up signing with him
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: in the end, but you know, I went through all
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: the rounds. I went to a lot of the major
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: labels I had meetings with. It was a very overwhelming
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: process for me. I don't know. It took about nine
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: months of me releasing music for me to really come
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: around on the idea of like, Okay, I think now's
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: the time to sign. And I signed because I just
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: wanted more support and I wanted to be able to
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: do like bigger things.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah like open for Olivia Rodrigo. Yeah, like that some
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: wild ship.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: That is wild. I just got off that tour and
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: that was that was a long tour, really fun, really crazy.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Learned a lot. Europe is huge, Germany is huge.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Oh and that's where you met up with Harry Justice.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Then yes, that's a cool way to reconnect with it. Yeah,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: high school.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really really crazy, really crazy a set of circumstances.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: But yeah, how many months was that?
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: That was two months? Ten week tour? Wow, long tour.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: That's a long tour.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: What was it?
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I mean it's weird because in a way you're you've
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: I mean I don't know. I mean you're at least
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: older than her, so and I imagine I have a
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: little more Yeah, I don't know.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Like what was that it? Like?
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: No, I mean she is a powerhouse. She like was
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: born I think to do this, to do this show. Yeah,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: I mean she like she gets it done, and she's
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: so consistent, and it's it's it's crazy like what she
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: does every night, her shows two hours long. I mean,
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: and her voice just it's just crystal clear. I smoke
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: and drink, which is, you know, not awesome for the voice,
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: but also it's it's okay, my voice holds up. But yeah,
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think these opening tours, because I've also
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: opened for Lord and for Paramour and still Losing and
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Cautious Clear, I've done a bunch of opening tours in
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: my time. They're really interesting, especially at the arena level,
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: because in those rooms they're so big, and you are
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: really feeling the depth of people not knowing who you
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: are at all. And I think that I've kind of
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: taken that on as a challenge for myself, not only
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: to like get them stoked for the main act, whether
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: it be like Paramour or Olivia or Lord whoever it is,
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: because that's really my job. When I go on an
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: opening tour, it's like I want to warm up the
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: crowd so that when Olivia steps on stage, they are
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: so gassed already.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Someone put up I think at least pretty near complete
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: recording of your of your set opening for her, and yeah,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: washing it and you're like, I mean the audience.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Stretch literally stretched, yeah and shit for Olivia. Yeah, I
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: mean that's it was like James James Brown level of
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: commitment to the job.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, I commit really really hard. And I
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: also just like for her crowd, especially to half of
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: that audience, it's their first concert ever, so they there
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: is an element of them feeling uncomfortable because they've never
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: been in a room like that before. So I kind
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: of took it upon me to get them warmed up
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: into the space, yeah, so that there could be like
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: a communal vibe which is. I mean, to me, a
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: show just should be a huge house party or just
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: like a huge essentially DIY experience. I just wanted to
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: feel like you're like super communal and like you're all together.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: I want to be a hostess.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to host like truly. I yeah, and
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: that's that is probably why I like hosting, because I'm
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: just like I want everybody to have a good time.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I think I learned. I learned or I
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: started really refining like how to expedite that process of
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: getting that audience like engaged and ready really quick and
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: like that is doing the exercises. It is like putting
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: your hands up and shaking around and working your hips
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: out and like singing like we do everything together. And
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: I think that it really does get people comfortable and
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: like in themselves and present and ready for that intensive
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: inexperience because concerts, I mean they're like they're intense. Yeah,
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: they're loud, they're emotional, they're you're packed together like really tightly.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: And doing these opening gigs have has really helped me
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: refine that skill and know that it's something that I
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: want to do.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah for people, you enjoy it? Yeah, how long?
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Did it take you to like kind of warm up
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: to be in the warm up for Olivia like on
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: that tour. Hmm, when did you feel like you had
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: to die? I'm like, all right, now I know how
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: to get the audience like.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Oo.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: I think maybe at show like ten, probably once we
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: got to London that was maybe like show eight. I
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: think I started I started really saying into it. But
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: I mean we did thirty one shows or thirty two
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: shows or something altogether for her, and I mean the
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: show kept morphing, like it's like if you you can't
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: just do the same thing every night. So I started,
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: you know, started morphing it. By the end of the show,
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: I was dropped, dropping f bombs and flashing my tips
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: to the crowd. That was very different from the beginning
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: of the show or of the lead anticipate.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: I was gonna ask because, like you know, you were saying,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: it was like a lot of people's first show like
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: concert liked So did you have the tailor cut out
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: certain songs maybe.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Or yeah, but you know, yeah, for like for my
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: song Toro, which is about having like this essentially like
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: a fuck fest in a hotel. I mean that is
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: what that song is about I obviously couldn't say that,
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: or I didn't want to lead with that with these
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: like children, so I ended up saying like, yo, you
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: guys ever had a crush, Like, raise your hand, if
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: you ever had a crush, raise your hand. If you
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: have a crush right now, raise your hand, if you've
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: ever been in love? And then I would kind of
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: be like, Okay, this song is about like the biggest,
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: fattest crush I've ever had. But then by the end
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: I would do this whole thing and I was like, yo,
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: if you ever had a crush, Okay, have you ever
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: been in love? Okay, who's never had a crush and
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: never been in love? Like hell yeah? And then I
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: turn around and be like, all right, this song's about
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: fucking in a hotel and it's funny. It's It was
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: funny too because at a certain point we were in
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: all these countries and I realized that English is not
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: their first language. Point and I was like, Oh, it
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: doesn't really matter, fine, I could just like say it.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: And I think their sensibilities are like way different too
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: than like American audiences.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you're up. This is such an interesting
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: it's such an interesting like market to dip your toes
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: into as a American because I you just never It's
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: like you there's there's so much of every country's culture
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: that you just are never gonna understand. But I was
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: trying my best to kind of catch vibe. But it's
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: it's it's crazy. It was, it was crazy, And I
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: would love to go back and actually like be able
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: to kind of be in those countries a little bit longer,
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: just to understand more about the people and more about
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: the culture and what they like. But yeah, I mean
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: the audience's country to country were drastically different.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just as as a collective.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Whole, Like what were the differences you noticed?
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Italy loose as hell? They are just rowdy as all. Shit,
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: I cannot even describe to you. I felt like my
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: open been in act brought down their energy. It was like,
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: and those are my people, so like I get it,
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: Like I am, I'm half Sicilian, like i I'm I
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: ride I ride for I ride for them.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were you could have matched their free.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: I could not. I was trying, really, I was really trying.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: My bath. I went I went hard that show.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: I was like progressively just harder and harder.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, and it was at least ninety five
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: degrees in the venue. There was no ac wow, it
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: was it was it was a time that was a show. Yeah.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: And then like I don't know, like you are in
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Switzerland and they're very polite and they're like a little
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: bit more stiff, and then you're in I don't know
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: if I should even say this, but then you're in
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Germany and they love an order, they love taking orders.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: And then the UK is different, different because you know
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: there there were speaking the same language still and that's
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: just like a. I mean, it's it's so crazy. I
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: don't even know. Yeah, I don't even know.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: How were you too much for the orderly Germany German audience?
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. I think that they they
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: warmed up to me. I mean the the handshaking and
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: the hips hips swiveling always work.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: It's everyone right, yeah.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: And I did this like big vocal warm up with
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: an oh and everybody can sing an a oh yeah,
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: so you know I was I was trying my best.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: That's that's amazing because you get to like debrief with
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: like Olivia at all, like about playing those kinds of venues.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we debriefed a little bit. I mean we towards
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: the beginning of the tour. I remember having a conversation
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: with her being like, WHOA, Like Europe's different, dude, and
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: she was like yeah, She's like yeah, I know.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: She was noticing it too.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she she had done I think she on
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: her last album Sour, I think she had done a
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: European run and I think she yeah, she was. Yeah,
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: but I had never done as extensive as a run
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: as we just did, so it was all kind of
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: it was new to me and I was kind of
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: just soaking it up.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Man, that'd be that seems like a fun bill though,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: you know, Yeah it was.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Actually it was so fun. And I watched her show
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: almost every single night, Like I loved the show. Yeah,
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: it was so fun. I got to be really really
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: good friends with her crew and her dancers and her band,
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: so like we were just having a blast.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Was such as a great band. Yeah, oh my.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: God, they're sick. They're all so talented, they're all women,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: are non binary, and they're just I mean I've never
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: been in a situation where like it's so female heavy. Yeah,
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: in the live space, And that was a really really
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: cool to exist in for a second.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I guess I think that I was
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: was looking at the credits for for your album, new
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: album and your other album. It does seem like a
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: lot of your collaborators are like men.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I work with a lot of dudes.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: There.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: There are a lot of men around.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, in general in this room and outside.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And you know, I I don't have much to
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: say about it other than all these people that I
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: work with are I love them all. They're all great
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: people and regardless of them being men or women or whoever.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: I really I surround myself with people who I love
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: and trust. And I work with a lot of men.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: I work with a lot of women work with I
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: just worked with a lot of people.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, last album, in this album did some work with
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Kenny Beats. How did that come to be?
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, Kenny? How did we meet? I think
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: we met through an Instagram DM, as most people do nowadays.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Which way you hit him or you hit me?
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: Which was cool because I had been you know, I
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: think the Cave was really big at the time, and
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: I had been yeah, super sick show and I'd been
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: watching that and he invited me over to his studio
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: and I just kind of went and hung out with
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: him and we made a song. That first day, I
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: was really shy. I remember. I think at the time
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: I was kind of used to going everywhere with Jared,
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: and I think I didn't bring Jared to that session,
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: and I just remember being shy and quiet. And then
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: the following day I brought Jared. Yeah, we had two
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: days together and then we made another song, and yeah,
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: then we've just like become boys. I yeah, I love
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: him and him and his whole team like are literally
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: like family to me. Like I really they were like
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: some of the first people in this industry to kind
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: of like really welcome me with open arms and be like, yo,
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: we're here to like support you. That's dope. And they're
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: really They're really awesome and like really have lifted me
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: up and kind of have been my champions for a
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: long time, and I love them for that.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: After this last quick break, we'll be back with the
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: rest of my conversation with Remy Wolf. We're back with
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: the rest of my conversation with Remy Wolf.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: I feel like I lost the thread.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: I wanted to go back and find out like the
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: most like was it that session with your friend Jared
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: when he came to state you're living, like trying to
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: pinpoint when, like when your music start to sound in
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: the way it does now, which is like it's seriously,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: it's like, I mean, I don't know, like maybe I'm tripping,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: but if to me it sounds so original, and it
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: sounds like the finished product differs a lot from like
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: the original song that you write, maybe or at least
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: some of the time.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean me and Jared, I think have a
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: really special creative relationship where we are kind of able
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: to fill in each other's gaps. And I think we
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: figured that out when he came to stay with me
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: during those during that week in twenty eighteen. I think
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: it was. But he's an incredible instrumentalist. He knows how
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: to record, and he is super I mean, he's on
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: his own production journey and he's like doing amazing things
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: with so many different people now. But at the time,
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: we both like had no idea what we were doing,
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: but like enough to get by. And I think in
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: the beginning that originality I think partially stemmed from us
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: having a very locked in sense of taste together combined
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: with us sometimes not even knowing how to like execute that.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: So we were kind of just like freestyling and free balling,
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: and we're creating these beats that sounded interesting and created
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: these songs that sounded interesting and different and unique, and
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: they were because we didn't know what the fuck we
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: were doing, and we were kind of just like doing
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: what we could with what we had, which at the
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: time was like a focus right interface and like a
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: shitty mic that I had in my room and a
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: shitty guitar that I had just bought off of Craigslist.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: And is that what you did guy on? Yes? Wow?
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: Like the first two EPs were essentially just that set up,
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: like so bare bones in my bedroom or in like
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: an Airbnb that Jared was staying in, And so I mean,
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: we were just making it happen by the skin of
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: our teeth. But we were so driven a lot with that. Yeah,
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: we were so driven. And I think that sometimes when
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: you have nothing, you're forced to be really creative. And
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: I think that's kind of where my vocal harmony, layering
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: instrumentation came from. Because we didn't have all these instruments,
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: we didn't have a bunch of syns, and I very
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: quickly knew that I wasn't a huge fan of like
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: MIDI like plug in sense, Like I just never loved
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: the vibe. And there's some songs in the early days
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: where we were using like ominosphere or something like that.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: I was always was kind of of this mindset of
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: wanting to create everything ourselves, like all the sounds at least,
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: which kind of led me to create this really intricate
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: and detailed vocal style where I was building essentially an
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: instrument out of my layering my voice, which I think
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: what made my early shit sound really different from a
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: lot of other stuff was that, like I was really
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: reliant on harmonies and almost making my vocals sound like
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: a synthesizer in their own.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Right is a particular way you learned to do that.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: We were just experimenting, like truly, there was nothing that
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: we were really basing it off of. I think I've
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: always been a huge lover of harmonies, and I think
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: we figured out that layering my voice on top of
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: itself sounded cool because there's something about, uh, I have
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: a really kind of piercing tone, Like it's it's very
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: it's it's strong.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: You have a strong voice for sure.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's strong, and so when you layer it it
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: sounds almost like an organ or something. It's so it's
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: like has that kind of honkiness that an organ would have,
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: and I think we just kind of leaned into that.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: So yeah, a lot of those those og tunes we
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: were just it was so bare bones, and I think
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: that is what made it so that we had to
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: be so creative and innovate cool.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, one of the things too, that's really interesting
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: about it is like it doesn't sound like it definitely
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: doesn't sound like it comes out out of because it's
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: i think lyrically in the forms and everything you're doing,
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: and like the way it's arranged or so unique, it
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: doesn't really sound like it shares a relationship with pop music.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: But then you also do borrow some like you have
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: hooks that are just like sound like insanely ridiculous pop books,
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: you know whatever, you're able to like kind of like
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: blend so much stuff.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it does sound like maybe at some
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: point in that four year sort of you know where
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: you're just were simmering, like I.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Don't know, you picked up some pop sensibilities too.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: You know, Like yeah, I mean I've always. I mean
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: I've always loved pop. I mean I loved old pop,
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: you know, seventies pop, sixties pop, uh, nineties pop, which
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: was grunge. I think I've always loved big hooks, catchy songs,
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: and I think I've always gravitated towards towards music that
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: like can stand the test of time in that way
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: just by like being a great song or a great
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: melody or like a great vibe.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: What are the songs for you that are like the
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: holy grail of that?
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, oh god, let's see holy grail of
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: a great vibe? Yes, I love Sugar by Chaka Khan, which.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Is also seen in Chaka Kan on the Way Here.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: But Shaka is she's like one of my biggest inspirations.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: She's amazing because she's like a belter singer who's like
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: very free and smoke cigarettes and but is just is
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: so incredible at her instrument, but it's also an incredible improviser.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: And you can like really tell in her music that
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: she is like living yeah and having fun yeah, and
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: it's like coming out of her naturally. And so I've
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: always been like really really inspired by.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Her, even when she I was listening like coming up here.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: A song called actually was inspired. I was listening to
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: frog Rock and I was listened. I listened to this
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: like I love the sense soul on that. So then
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: I went to photo ID, which has a great Sin
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: solo and then made me think of a great I'm
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: incidentally wearing a great Herbie since solo on a Shaka
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: song M called the Melody lingers On.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: And now I was like, the fuck who sings jazz
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: like this?
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Like it was such like like like like it's just
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: she makes it sound so fun and like no one
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: brings that to that tradition you know these days in
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: my view, you know, like that level of fun that
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: she brings to it.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: I agree. I mean she's like a funk She's like
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: a funk machine. Like she's like the Lady funk machine.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: And I really love her. Got a chance to holler
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: yet or no no, uh not not really. I maybe
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: I should try a little bit harder to make the connect.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: But when I was at school, she actually came through
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: my freshman year maybe and she was We had this
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: class called pop Forum. It was every Friday for two
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: hours and essentially they would just like bring in an
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: industry professional and they would either get interviewed or something
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: of the sort. And Shaka came and they selected for
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: singers to sing Shaka songs for her, and I was
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: not selected, but I I was like sitting very close
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: to her and she was so so incredible and so kind,
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: and I remember at the end she got up and saying,
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: tell me something good. And it was the most mind
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: blowing fucking performance I'd ever seen in my life. She
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: like was just so relaxed and just soaring. I I mean,
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: I was just like completely taken by her. Yeah, she's
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: like a powerful, powerful lady.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: That's a that's a hard song to do like a
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: cappella too, because oh my.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: God, I mean it's just her songs are so challenging
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: to sing. She's an incredible singer, Like what the hell?
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Shaka's insane man and Rufus too, Rufus and the
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: solo stuff. I guess it may Oh you know, it's
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: thinking about Shack. I'm thinking about Prince and your song.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: You have a song on here called.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Cream and Cherry's and Cream, which.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Made me listening to us like not since Prince, like
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: like ballad at Dorothy Parker has like a cheating song.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: It's so incredible, like sounds so fucking ent. It's like,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: what is it?
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: Thank you?
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which I assume that's what about. I don't know that.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: It is so spot on, it's it's like my Mistress song. Yeah,
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: thank you for saying that. That song was really kind
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: of a magnum opus of mine and like getting it.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: We just wanted it to be kind of this psychedelic
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: dream movie of like I wanted it to completely take
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: you to a different world sonically, and we spent so
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: long like crafting every single little detail in that tune.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: I mean for that song, I was really I was,
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: I mean lyrically very inspired by uh, Mistress Vibes that
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: I've Yeah, that's one of my friends, Mistress Vibes star. No,
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: I mean I've you know, I've had experiences in my
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: life that have been slightly unpleasant in that realm of
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: which I won't go into here. But the first part
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: of that song that I had was the the pre chorus,
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: which goes, is it wrong, Oh fearful in this like
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: kind of deep like like god godly or not just
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: like deep kind of scary wizard god type, like a yeah,
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: operatic wizard in the sky, and that kind of took
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: me on this journey of really trying to get in
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: the mind of like led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd and
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: like kind of where where they were writing from in Yeah,
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: I mean they loved Lord of the Rings and they liked,
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: you know, I mythology, Yeah, mythology like that. So I
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: kind of when I went back in to write the verses,
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: which was a while later, which is actually not a
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: typical process for me. Normally, I write the whole song
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: first day and it's that's kind of set in stone,
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: and then we kind of go back in and finalized
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: production stuff. But for this song, it kind of it
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: took it was a journey to kind of get everything
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: to walk together. But I don't know, like in the verses,
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: I'm like you fly morning dove way above my terrain,
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: And I was kind of just trying to think about, like,
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: you know, what would what would led Zeppelin's talk about
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: or how would they talk about this, how would they
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: talk about this these mistress vibes in their in their terminology,
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: And I kind of was just like, all right, I'm
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: gonna talk about expansive like nature metaphors. So yeah, that
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: song is me really trying to tap into some like
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: staple psychedelia.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: That's funny because I guess, I guess, I mean, I guess.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: Robert Plant wrote about that from the opposite perspous thing
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: about like since I've been loving you, he goes open
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: my front door or my back door slam must be
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: one of those new fangled back door man.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: He's like talking to this lady. Oh my god, he's
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: just more directive about it.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I was a little bit more uh more heady.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the more. But it's a great it's
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: a cool song.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: You know, when it took me if you listened before,
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: like I wasn't really don't really listen for lyrics all
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: that much. So after if he listens, I started hearing
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: the lyrics, I was like, oh, ship, yeah.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: It's it's a it's a bold choice, Yes it is.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Has I gotten you in trouble?
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: Like, no, not yet. I'm very conscious of that. I'm
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: really conscious of not speaking about anything or anybody in
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: a way that's going to piss them off, especially if
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: there are people in my life that are close to
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: me and still there and that I love and I
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: mean I mean a lot of times, you know, I'm
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: writing about romantic relationships sometimes friendships. I'm like a really
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: strong believer in being friends with your exes. So I'm
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: like friends with all of my exes, like they're all
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: around or like part of the fan.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: What does that do for you? What is that? Like?
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: What's the philosophy behind it?
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: I just I there's a reason that I was with them,
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: with all of them, and I mean a lot of
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: them are friends with my friends, and I to me,
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: there's no reason unless something really really bad happened. There's
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: like no reason for like a long term animosity to
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: like ruin you know, the piece between the larger friend
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: group and just like I don't have to avoid someone.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: I'd rather just put our ship in the past and
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: be able to like be homies. And I've been able to,
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: you know, do that. And with most of them, there's
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: a couple that, you know, are exceptions. Yeah, there's some
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: that are out of my life life, probably for good.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: But that's it's a that's a complex it's a complex thing.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: It's a complex thing to be writing about people in
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: your life or experience that you've experiences that you've gone through,
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: and there's a balance there.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, which I guess maybe we should return then
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: to Toro and Alone in Miami. Not necessarily with those
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: who that's about or anything, but obviously very personal experience
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: is how do you And there's a lot of like
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: intricate detail in Alone in Miami, like the the hula
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: girl on the dash or what you know, or I
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: assume it was on the dash because you said you're
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: in an uber.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Did you?
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I wasn't an uber?
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Did you say that?
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: No, s okay ship, But you give so many details
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: in the song that I did start to like you
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: picture it. I start to pick sure, I guess it
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: painted an accurate picture for me. Yeah, but like, did
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: you just remember like when you wrote this, were you
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: in that moment being like, I'm gonna write a song
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: about this, and theref I'm gonna remember this feels like
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: a moment that's potent in some way, and so therefo
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna remember the details and write about it, or.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Because how the fuck did you remember all that stuff?
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: There's so many random details.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: I know. I think that the week that I was
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: in Miami was just honestly like this wild life changing
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: experience for me, just in the sense that it was
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: so it was so memorable because it was it was
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: out of a fever dream. I don't know if you've
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: been you've probably been to Miami. Have you been there?
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: Just there for the first time in a long time
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: in October, and it was like in and out and
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: it was just it wasn't It wasn't for me.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, it's it's it's a wild place.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: And I was there for Art Basil, and Art Basil
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: is you know this. It's like this art festival where
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: people come in from all around the world and there's
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: art galleries all around the city. Even more importantly than that,
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: there's crazy parties all around the city and almost every
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: building there's like fashion parties, art parties, brand parties. Like
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: everybody's hosting a party and they're all nuts and everybody
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: has alcohol, cocaine, powdered substances.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Miami.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Miami, I mean, and I'd never been and
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: I was there by myself, and I was there to
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: attend a Playboy party. I was there for Playboys and
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: I went there four days early, which I formed to attend. Yeah,
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: it's like just to hang and so I went there.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: I was flying from London to I flew from London,
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: and I was in London for about three weeks because
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: I was there on tour, and the tour ended up
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: getting canceled because of COVID and I couldn't come home
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: because of COVID, so I was just there for a
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: long time. And then I flew into Miami and I
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: just had these four days alone meeting all these new people,
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: doing drugs, eating kubanos, being really existential, like on the
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: beach by myself, listening to Liz Fair.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: I remember everything so vividly from that trip. I don't
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: know why. It just was like so crazy wow, and
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: I'd know. I mean, at the end of the trip,
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: I had no I wasn't like, oh, this needs to
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: be a song.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: But so like two years later, when you're writing it,
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: you just remembered, like all of that just came flooding.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: But I think I wrote it maybe four months later,
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: maybe five months later, okay, And I remember it was
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: with Jack and Eaton, and I remember the first thing
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: that I sang. I started playing these chords, and I
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: think the first thing that I said sang was alone
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: in Miami with you there, and then I was like, wait,
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: we should write a song about my Miami trip. And
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: then essentially I was just telling them. I essentially told
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: them what I just told you, and I was just
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: telling them all the details of what happened. And at
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: a certain point, I was just like, wait, we literally
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: don't need to do anything except for tell exactly the
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: story of like what happened there, Like, we don't need
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: to make up anything, Like there's nothing that even needs
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: to be embellished. So essentially that's what we did. Yeah,
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: the song was was written, it was written for it
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: essentially wrote itself.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite songs on the album. So
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: thank you. Glad you made that call. Glad you ended
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: up in Miami too.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: Me too. Yeah, I mean that's a crazy trip.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: Anyway, Congratulations on your album.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: It's really good. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad I got to spend the last couple of
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, me too. Thanks for thanks for sitting down with me.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Remy Wolf for talking to me about
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