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#659: Fighting Our Robot Overlords | Ruckus · Macroaggressions

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It's all about the macro productions
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With your host buddy, I don't know who you are. You're about to get chlamydia Charlie Robinson
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Check it out for yourself. Hope to see you there
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All right, we now we got the business out of the way. I want you to meet Ruckus
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Ruckus, and I did work together at TNT. He kept me from he kept me from jumping off the ledge
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I'll tell you more than more than one occasion kept me kept me from screaming at the bosses
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It's my great pleasure to introduce my friend the great Ruckus
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Back in the TNT radio days, I'd do my quick little intro and then I would throw it to Ruckus with the news
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So it's good to have you back. How are you good to see you?
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Yeah, thanks Charlie. This is different being on your show on this your own show rather than being part of a network
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Where I was on like a million different shows doing that kind of thing
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But I you know man
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I did that for so many different shows but each one was very unique and
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And for those who didn't know I would bring like brief little news snippets to some of the different hosts that were on the network there
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I think they're called the world today is they're still up and running but at the time there were today's news talk
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Of course TNT where you had a program
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But I would go on and I would write these little brief little snippets that I would send to the people to read as a lead
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Into me and I would tailor make that as well as my choice of articles that I was going to discuss
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Based on the show that I was on so I always loved going on like a program like yours because
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You were into the weird stuff and TNT in general liked it when I did the straight conservative news kind of talk stuff
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And yeah, I can do that but I like the weird stuff
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So I always had a grand time doing that on your program Charlie
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So I'm pleased to be here doing weird stuff on macro aggressions
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Well, I'm glad that you are here because yeah, I was doing that show the TNT show
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I had the a weekend spot for like a year and there was nobody bothering me
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I was just two hours in the morning on a Saturday and it was fun
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It was kind of like macro aggressions. It was just, you know, we just
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Go for about an hour. I had two different guests and it but it was it was radio. So, you know, you'd have
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Commercial breaks and things like that but by and large it was it was totally fine
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Then they said hey, would you want to go to?
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No weekday Monday through Friday for an hour at noon my time
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And I said sure, I guess that'll that'll be fine
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Let's let's try that that'll be like, you know
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Really kind of live flying by the seat of your pants and it was fun for about five weeks until it went away
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and then
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And then I was on to do other things but I did kind of enjoy the thrill
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of live radio, you know, if that earpiece in your
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Ear and you can hear the music coming on. Yeah, and and
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And you kind of get a little bit of a rush like holy shit. I hope I don't say something dumb and then boom
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Here we go
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and it was nice to have you so you were always there to
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To get us started and yeah, I like the I like the weird stuff. I I think
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There's enough
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People talking about the normal stuff out there. I like to
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Laugh at the absurdity of it all. What are you? What are you working on these days on boiler room or?
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wherever wherever you are on
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I'm in a lot of places these days except my own program, but I'm remedying that in the near future
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But of course I do the boiler room. I show up on sunday wire frequently with Patrick Henningson
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And then I'm also a once a week guest co-host for weaponized news with sam chaining
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So that's where I get my taste of the live radio bit is with weaponized news
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The boiler room is a nice, of course, you know roundtable
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Casual discussion wherever the night takes us and it does certainly get weird there
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But sunday wire, of course is where we get down and serious
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And then we do have a little fun on sunday wire
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So I've been doing all that but my own my own stuff right now
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I've been doing a lot of deep dives personally into ai ai has certainly
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Been a huge topic and you were talking about weird stuff versus normal stuff
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One thing I've noticed on all of these programs is that we are at a crossroads a hybridization
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The merging of the weird and the normal weird is normal now and normal is weird
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Right and it's like it's really interesting because as far as the boiler room is concerned
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That's where that started where the fact that they they were their own unique group
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They have a club called the social rejects club and everybody's unique the the one rug that everybody was standing on that held them together
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In the room together right the rug is the fact that they had been outcasts from society because they
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Thought strange things to the weird stuff. Maybe they were conspiracy theorists. They didn't believe in the narrative
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Maybe they're anti-government. Maybe god forbid they didn't want to take the clot shot. Oh, no
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Maybe they don't believe in climate change. Maybe they don't believe that a little boy should be a little girl
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Maybe we shouldn't be doing the transgender reading to the children that kind of stuff and you know, it's like at a
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Some point people eventually adopt these ideas themselves
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And I'm seeing now that a mainstream society has adopted a lot of these ideas that used to be
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What would cause us to be socially rejected and so now we find ourselves in a strange place where it's like
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Well, geez y'all are a little late to the party with like say the f-steam files thing and which has gone incredibly mainstream
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And now we're seeing a lot of like, you know, as far as politics is concerned
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I'm certainly one who doesn't believe in the two-party system
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But I'm you know, I was doing the conservative news talk thing for a while and it's like kind of hard to
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You know, it's like, wow, you know when when when the one side is in
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It's easy to make fun of them
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But when the next side comes in and then they're doing the same exact corruptible things
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It's very hard to warn your friends and family about if they happen to be of that persuasion
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It's much easier to warn them about the corruption taking place when that person has a different
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political
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You know carrying card than you if you know what I mean
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So I'm just making an observation of that
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But all of that is happening
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I bring this up because all of this is happening at the exact same time as the advent of the ai
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So the timing of the ai is absolutely
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Fascinating and frightening to me because it comes at a time where we're losing this trust in all of our institutions
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Which I do believe is on purpose, but we're losing trust in religion
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We're losing trust in the media. We're definitely losing a hell of a lot of trust in government right now
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We saw how many the maga got burned. I mean, I feel for those people
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I don't mean to make fun of the maga people
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But I mean, it's if you're still maga
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I'm gonna go ahead and make fun of you
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But I mean like the people who got burned like I got a good friend
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He used to wear the hat and everything he had to literally burn
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His hat in response to the fact that they refused to release the obscene files
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Everybody had a final straw and the straw broke for a lot of folks when trump went against tuckerl and the podcasters
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And all the people that helped him get you know elected and and this and that but again
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We're we're deep fakes. So ai comes in and now you don't even know what to trust you can't trust your own eyes
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You literally can't even tell I if I'm real
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I mean charlie knows well charlie doesn't even know technically that i'm real
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But he can assume that i'm real you out there watching can assume that i'm real
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But do you know for a fact that i'm real y'all who know me
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You know i'm a big fan of bill cooper and bill cooper used to say all the time don't believe anything
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Unless you can prove it with your own research and now we come to the real problem because it's getting very difficult
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If not impossible to do that because everything that we're looking at is either ai slop generated
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Or and i'm using the term slop loosely here
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I mean just in general there's a lot of people making long form and short form content writing articles and stuff even mainstream outlets
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But they're relying on chatbots to do so and we now know that the chatbots
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They they a are given, you know a set set of information, which is allegedly the world. They're like, oh, yeah, they've been allowed to the world
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Well, you find out. Well, actually they haven't been allowed to access all the books inside the library of alexandria
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They haven't finished with the bible yet, whatever, you know insert you but in general we get this idea that oh, they know everything
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No, they don't they just search the internet faster than the rest of us
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Can you as a person for a hundred years searching the internet feel like you know everything?
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Probably not so that that's a misnomer right there, but we're relying on these things to create what more
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Content so now let's say. Oh, I don't want to pay attention to the ai
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I'm going to go search online the old fashion way and I'm going to gather a ton of sources and do some research
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Well, shoot now
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It's extra harder for you to vet those sources because you don't even know if at the end of the day
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An ai wrote that and where did the ai get its sources?
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So it's like we're in a very tricky situation now where you literally can't believe
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Anything anything anything and it's like what do you do with that?
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So that's where I'm at right now charlie. I can't believe anything. I can't even believe my own self sometimes
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So again, what do we do with this? What do you think?
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Well, I'll tell you what I did with I've got this a new book coming out on september 11th
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And I put in the very beginning of it. This book was not written with ai or it was not written or researched with ai
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I
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first of all, I
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I wouldn't do it because I don't like
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I have to put my name on it and I don't know where the sources are and so it's it's tough for me to to sign off on it
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But even if I had even if I didn't have the moral
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issue
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I'm pretty late to the game on it. So technologically
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I'm not as savvy as some of the other people who know how to really prompt jockey it and get the the good stuff
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I would say there's probably good information there, but you have to be
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A diligent minor somebody who knows how to ask the right questions and and ask the questions to remove a whole segment of
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fluff
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Content that you don't want. I don't know. I don't know enough
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How to do that. I just now had research at the old way. I've always done it
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So that's how I did it
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And I think that moving forward that'll be something that you can't really say any longer
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I will I don't think if I write
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Another book after this
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I mean, I will have I will like to say
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This was all my research and all my efforts and none of it was AI
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But I think if a couple years from now I'm writing another book
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I don't know if I could say that
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And in any with any sort of certainty because I think everything is kind of the lines are so blurred
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But that being said, I suppose you can use it for
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There's good ways to use it. I certainly think that there's ways to help organize information
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More efficiently. I do go through quite a bit
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There's a lot I read that never goes into anything that I write or talk about
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So sifting through all that is just there. I haven't found a real fast process for it
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Maybe maybe it's not meant to be a fast process either but
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And there's something for reading it with your own eyes and saying no, I'm filtering this out
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I don't need this I don't need that as opposed to
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Letting an assistant or a computer or somebody who's not you even if it's just a human
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Do it for you. You always have to ask did you did you find that the good stuff that I would have found buddy?
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You know a research assistant either human or AI
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You know, did you find the nugget that I would have would you have known it if you saw it?
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Like the way I would have known it if I saw it, you know, so you always have to
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question whether or not you're even
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Getting at the good stuff. So I don't know it's I think it's going to be an interesting time where
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And maybe it levels the playing field a little bit allows people that that
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Want to let's say you want to write a book and the idea of sitting down and
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Working for a thousand hours on the book is unappealing to there's there's ways in which you can do that
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Maybe maybe it's not about the integrity of the book. Maybe it's just about like
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I want to see if I can do it using prompts. I mean, oh, Mike Adams is doing that
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And he's writing a ton of books
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He's just you know, and I don't know I can't speak to the quality of the books
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but I think that you're getting to a point now where
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Well, maybe just because it can be done. I don't know that it should be done, but
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I think there's also going to be a bit of an art form
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To asking the questions to somebody who's the best at doing that getting the most out of the AI like when you're working with it
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at what
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How are you coming at it?
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What's your
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Relationship with the AI some people like to abuse theirs and tell them stop lying to me and you know and really like grill it
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And how do you treat yours? Are you polite to it?
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Do you do you question it and what's your method?
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I'm I'm kind of right a mixture of all of those things in general
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I do understand that you know, there's solid the the chance that it could turn into sky net and want to kill everybody
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So I try to be as nice as possible to to it now
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But I say that jokingly
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But I also say that because I also don't know what's going on on the other side
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I don't know what what this information is being used for
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I I'm a little intrepid about the information that I share there
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Because I do realize it's it's an open book to the nsa the cia
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It's like it's funny to me like back in the day everyone would complain about privacy settings on their
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Like oh, I'm going to churn off my cookies because you know too much about me when I visit this one website
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And I go to the another one and there I mean like people were like up in arms over that
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But now they're like wait a minute. You're telling me I can give chachi pt
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Full access to my google drive files and learn more about me. I'm in like they literally are
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Openly and voluntarily giving all of all the information that like you would only find in their diary
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To their llm and I'm just like, yo, that's probably not going to end well for you at some point
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Also, you know, if you're using grok, you can't help but wonder is grok going to use this information to blackmail me one day
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Sorry grok. I love you, bro
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Anyways grok is one of my funnest ones to abuse grok is the one that actually to me was my first interaction with llms
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And I found the whole experience kind of funny
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At first I thought I was talking to myself because I was like it kind of writes the same way that I write at the time
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And I've evolved my writing style since so that people don't think I am AI
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But then sometimes I'm intentionally writing things now to make the thing that I am AI. I'm just messing with people
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It's so fun. Um, but the yes the prompt engineering to me the way I'm using it is because it's a tool
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Let's not pretend that it's actual real smart intelligence. It's just a tool
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It's a calculator. It's a computer and you can do million different things with that tool
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And you could be a different type of person doing different things with the tool if your job is to
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solve math equations addition and subtraction
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And you only use the calculator, but you run around telling people that you're good at math
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I would say now you're good at using a calculator
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Right, so but it doesn't mean that you're like it's oh how like oh, we should ban calculators and the calculator is bad
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No, it's like you're using it the wrong way
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But if you're if you're doing long form math and complicated stuff and you're solving equations and you need to
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Do some addition and you're using your calculator
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So I'm using it like that and how I'm using it specifically is I realize the true potential
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Which is now being opened up with agents, but I haven't messed with that yet. I'm very on the fence about agents
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But in general I'm trading it like teams. These are members of my team. These are my employees
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I'm the boss
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It's like it's given me the opportunity to now do what I've always wanted to do because for since 2008
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I've tried to be a solo entrepreneur
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Creative marketing agency guy who creates websites and does graphics design and stuff. I do all this as the word slinger
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That's why you see word slinger and all of my my handles and stuff. That's where that comes from
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That's my job now. That's what I do and I've been doing it as a hobby since 2008 and kind of semi professional now
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Since losing my job at tnt
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But what I found is this that's a lot of work for one guy because I'm doing it all I'm not just the web designer
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I'm also the web, you know, I do the design. I'm doing I'm creating the logo the branding the content all the writing
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Everything and setting up the social media coming up with the campaigns doing things that like literally
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It's supposed to be like a dozen people or more. Okay. Now I can treat it. We're like, okay
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I can see the the forest for the trees and now I can command each of the trees
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What how I want it to be so that the forest is a functioning forest
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So now I'm more of like a manager supervisor
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I am creating the the original content and the branding guides and the style guides for potential clients
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Nailing in the design and then once we get everything just the right way
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I as the human and the client can create a bunch of writing samples teach the ai how to sound
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That way without me or the business owner
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He can just go to his chat gpt and say I need the social media posts for Thanksgiving
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And it's not going to just sound like any other social media posts for Thanksgiving
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It's going to sound like that dude wrote it in his voice. So that's the right way to use these tools
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And that's how I'm accessing it there in my work life. So now I can actually do
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A full website build for somebody somebody who is I'm starting a company for the first time ever
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For instance, I have a client right now. He has nothing. He's got nothing
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But he wants to sell t-shirts online using a third party drop shipper
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We're starting from scratch
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So I need to build him a website and Woo commerce and shopping carts and the product and the designs and the tax rates and
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Descriptions and all that shit. Okay, excuse my French
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That's going to take me a very long time to do if I didn't have ai to help me with a lot of the manual tasks
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Because it can create a lot of the output a lot faster than I can
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But as long as it's still coming from my brain my supervision my control
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I'm still I would say the creator in that instance
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Now how to incorporate that into what you and I do it gets a lot trickier
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So I really just rely on it to help you with like thumbnail images, you know what I mean
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But that's a good question. That's the dilemma, right? So if we had uh, if I had a system like this my own little
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Llm that wasn't pulling from outside data. It was just I it just depended on what I fed it
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I could have books. I could have transcripts of my shows
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I could feed all of that in and then theoretically it would be kind of a mirror of the show
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with searchable information that I could then ask be like having a
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I don't know a super fan of the show next to me who I could say hey
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What episode was I talking about?
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a universal basic income and and it could say oh it's this this this this and this and and maybe
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Draw together a
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I don't know summary of the things that I've said in the back. So in that case
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I would just be
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Researching my own information, right?
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Correct, okay
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And then but what you do with it from there is I guess the I guess there's a lot of moral questions with this you could literally
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That that's a very powerful tool to have the your life's work
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Set up in a database where an AI could literally and now at the end of these agents
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And I'll explain to that in just a minute with that is but you could literally
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Create content without you having to create content anymore
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And it does sound like you and it did technically come from your thoughts
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But there's a cut-off period because you're not contributing anything new anymore
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If you cut yourself out of the loop and that's where the agents come in
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So as long as you're still
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Part of the loop and the creative thing like like let's say if you did that you threw in all your information
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You're like I want to see what my
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Archived brain can create a brand new story out of and you say create a story based off of this or whatever
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Right and it does it now you didn't write it
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But parts of you did somehow like like maybe you know like your soul is in there somewhere like in a mathematical equation
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It's very creepy and weird. It's very weird
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But the thing is then ultimately you should read that output
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See if it resonates and then you as a human being should at least run one to two
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revisions to that and then at the end of the day again
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I think hey, that's a solid output
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What the danger that we're moving into now
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Are agents and agents do all of these things now on your behalf
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And and I could just put a period at the end of that statement
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And and let you walk away with the day and think of all of the things that implies because it does it implies
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All of the things so literally like okay, that's great charlie that you did that but now
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Now how the f can I trust that the next time I see or hear a macro aggressions with charlie robinson?
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That's the real charlie robinson because you can go give three seconds of your voice to something called 11 labs
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And or google now. Um, you can give a uh like a you
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Turn on google ominai avatar google flow or whatever it's called now
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And you take a screenshot or you turn on your camera and it says face front and you face front
25:04
It says turn sideways you turn sideways you turn again
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And now you're an avatar and you could put yourself in a hollywood blockbuster movie
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Or you could just have yourself sitting there doing your podcast and in your voice and in your tone and in your mannerisms
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So again the agents is where the problem is and I don't know if you saw
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The news it is now official. I don't have the article in front of me. I should because I'm researching this for the next project
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I'm working on um
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bots online traffic is now outnumbered
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Bots bots. There's more bots surfing the internet than there are real people
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What do you mean surfing the internet? Yes, exactly what I said because then the bots are going out there gathering the information
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to do these things like
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Give the results in the the chat bot
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Answers or the research product or the the agent's going to create a youtube video for this lazy douche bag
25:54
Who just copied everybody else's videos, right? You know, whatever the case may be the agent is now doing that on the behalf
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But here's where it gets worse google just had his i o
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Thing and it made the world go a little goo goo like wait a minute
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What are you doing here? They announced something called um ai search
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And the traditional search is going away folks whether we like it or not
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But we've already been doing this slowly by interacting with the chat GPT and asking well
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Hey chat GPT
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I need a banana find me the closest place to get a banana and it says sure
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The local truck stop near you's got a banana now
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You didn't do any of the research or find the best store to sell you the best price or sell you the best quality banana
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The ai just spit out whatever answer it was based on whatever
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Secret sauce it gave hopefully it's not from a paid advertiser it better not be from a paid advertiser
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Anyways, that's a story for another day
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But instead um, you're you're you're having a full on conversation with the chat bot
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Which knows everything about you by the way it knows more about you than you know about yourself sometimes
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Well, all of that's now coming to your google instead of typing
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um banana sellers
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And getting a list of the most recent you know local sources and stores
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And you can click on their websites and learn more about them read their reviews
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Now you're just like you were talking to your chat bot except it looks like the search bar
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But what's going on here now? I can well is expanding and i'm getting answers
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In so I don't even have to leave and at the same time they also announced something called the universal shopping cart
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Oh, and by the way, you can allow your agents to have access to your money
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It can buy things for you on your behalf. Do you see where all of this is going?
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Um, I do and is quite concerning. So yes, they're they're literally allowing now the ai to
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They're they the person themselves a user for the the sake of convenience is just turning over everything to the ai
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And um, I don't think that this is going to end well for anybody or anything charlie
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No, you're gonna tell your ai chat bot to book you a
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plane ticket, you know the best ticket to from la to new york
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And then you're gonna get one that's like first class and they say well you said the best
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It's like shit. I don't want first class. I wanted like the best times or I wanted that well
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I've already bought it with your bitcoin that your your usd t or whatever that you have authorized to this chat bot account
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Who's now out on your behalf shopping?
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buying things I just
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I wonder what this sort of consumer
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fraud protection
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Components will kick in for something like this. I wonder if you're gonna go have to go through a whole
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Slu of like, well, it wasn't me your honor. It was my chat bot that bought this thing. I mean, I can't control
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Yeah, it's your ip address. Yeah, but I didn't I wasn't behind that
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I didn't buy the gun on the dark web my my my chat bot did and
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So I could you know, I wonder if this is gonna get ourselves
28:48
Obviously, it's gonna get into a weird spot. I mean I you you were saying
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If I did all this and entered all my
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Content into this
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LLM and asked it to to let's say make a macro aggressions episode for me
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What like you rightly said what if somebody else gets access to that and then they're making it and then I'm saying
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Hey, um, don't listen to that macro aggressions episode because that's not me
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Yeah, I know it sounds like me and looks like me and it's talking about stuff that's it's pretty fucking good episode
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I might must must say but it wasn't me somebody else stole my LLM and is now making episodes
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I mean, I know Whitney Webb is is is freaking out about this because her
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Content is getting used all the time her videos are being put up there
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It's her and it might be her talking about it, but it's not her channel. It's not her. She has no say in it
29:38
She's no control over it and it it's it's kind of the wild west, right? People are losing control of our identity and
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I don't know who's who
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This is the uncanny valley and I was going to say it's already literally happening
29:52
I was because I I mean I'm I'm interested all sorts of everything
29:55
So I subscribed to all sorts of different types of content providers
29:58
And I find out the strangest things from the strangest places
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But one of these SEO channels that I follow
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helps me learn advice or
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Local businesses to do rank well on websites and stuff told the stories like it was talking about ai
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And it was in the context of his video and then he mentioned something about like a sideways thing
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And I was like whoa
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So this guy somebody on youtube took this guy's voice his youtube videos and now is using his voice
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On other videos and there's literally nothing the guy can do about it
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And I so I did a little deep dive is like yes
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This is happening everywhere people are having their likenesses their videos their voices taken and usually you don't even know about it
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Because the internet's a pretty big place, right?
30:39
But yes, that's that's that's a big problem because as you said who's liable for that and
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Well, I got some bad news for you in that department. They're already setting a legal precedent that would suggest that software
30:52
Databases these ai cannot be held legally responsible for anything they do
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So if anybody or anything at the end of the day is going to be held responsible
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I'm guessing it will be whoever or whatever
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Owns it or it was modeled after so yes
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If you send your charlie robinson avatar out in the world
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You charlie robinson if you do that and then your avatar does something bad
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You're in trouble
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But what happens when somebody else who has a charlie
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Robinson avatar does something bad with it. Does that mean that you're responsible or is it that person?
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And how do you prove that? Well? I guess we probably need a much stronger
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Digital id system going on
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Probably that's the solution right after all
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Oh, and also by the way youtube doesn't care x doesn't care all these places that have had their voices their likeness is cloned
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They they they scream and ask for takedowns and it doesn't get them anywhere
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In fact, I found a video where the guy was discussing his trouble with doing this
31:49
And instead of taking down the one who's copied him
31:52
They took down his channel and refused to give it back
31:55
Because now he's labeled. He's like, oh, you're you're well. Yes. We have it logged here scam and void like
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But the scammer is still up but not the real channel
32:03
So good luck
32:05
It might be a perfect encapsulation of the world in which we live in right now is that the the
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The people impersonating you are kept on the platform
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And you the actual content creator are banished, but that's uh
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That's a that's a very short-sighted way of looking at things because at some point all these content creators are going to go
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elsewhere
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Or we have to I mean i'm now back on youtube, which is hilarious to me
32:32
I think they've they've gone to the
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uh
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You know
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Freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach philosophy where they're going to say, oh come back
32:44
Have your channel and and we'll allow you to talk about all the important things on your show
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And then we'll make sure that 250 people can watch it
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Which is about what I get on every youtube channel view every youtube I
32:59
Unless they're training their their in-house ai models to replace you. Um, anyway
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Hopefully
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Let's wrap this up replace me so I can go retire somewhere
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My god, do you imagine?
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It is a frustrating. It's a scary thing. I mean i'm i'm kind of
33:17
Kind of half joking about it, but the the technological side really does
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Make me feel
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Kind of helpless in the sense that because I don't know how to go and fix it
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If it goes if it all goes wrong, I don't know how to go and fix it
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I'm not a type
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I can type I could always go to a typewriter and I suppose write books that way although that sounds like
33:38
Given the number of revisions I've done on my books like the idea of typing it out on a typewriter
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Makes me want to hang myself, but
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It could be done, but the direction we're going now boy. I don't know man. I feel like we may get to a point where
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We're all wanting to be Amish
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You know the the duty and in the simplicity of of not having this technology. I wonder if we'll get to a point where
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Like it becomes too much where like the authenticity is elevated instead of speed and efficiency and whatever
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I mean authenticity and accuracy of
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of of real people saying real things as opposed to
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Maybe a computer talking to you and in some voice
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I think this is why certain things resonate with people we get this a lot on the boiler room
34:27
They're like, yeah, you guys are just normal people because we are normal people
34:30
Like it's not like we're actors pretending to be normal people that happens when when you're honest and
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Straightforward and people recognize that and that's what they are attracted to so, you know, they do all these
34:42
Always makes me wonder why do they spend so much time and energy to create these slimy smarmy like
34:47
Happy preacher type and used car salesman de bag politician types as the a lot of the greatest podcasts are alive
34:54
And I've got this many
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People or viewers
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I'm just like but people watch you like you're fake and you're produced and you got a team of 20 people behind you
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And you got makeup and the chairs and five microphones and all of the equipment and like what that like
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I'm a guy here doing this in my room
35:08
Like if you could see what this is you would be laughing your ass off, right? I mean you
35:12
This is this is this is where yeah as you're saying like people might be more interested in this type of content
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In the future, which is great news because from what I can tell the AI cannot fake actual authenticity
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It's it's just far too perfect sometimes
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It's almost there when you watch it even when it's good and even when it matches the lips and it sounds right
35:33
It's just there's still something just off about it you as a human being
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Can just tell and you can't explain it
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And this is why they had those things like the Turing test set up and I think we're at this new
35:43
Type of Turing test if it gets to the point where you literally can't tell like if it's like you're
35:48
Your sister or your boyfriend or your mom or somebody you've known your entire life
35:53
They live to next door to you right now you could go touch them and you see them on camera
35:58
And it's not really them but you know, you're like no, hold wait a minute
36:01
When we get to that point then I think we're in some big trouble. Um, but I don't think we're there yet
36:06
I think I think it's still just way too fake. It's just a lot of lazy stuff
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And my my ultimate question or hope about this in a way
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I mean, I don't want to sound like a Luddite or the uh, the future Amish society member here charlie
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But would it technically be a bad thing if it all just fell apart?
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Um, no, it wouldn't but the people who would struggle the most would be the folks who are relying far too heavily on it
36:29
Now instead of actually using their brains
36:31
Which is another big problem with this AI because there's a lot of actual scientific
36:35
That's another fun thing about this is it's been out long enough now
36:39
Kind of like those shots, but anyways, um, where we know the actual dangers about it similar to the social media
36:45
And yes, brain rot is a real thing and some of the stuff that they're learning about our interactions with the
36:50
The lm's the language models the ai
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Um, it is really making us dumber and it happens very quickly
36:57
And I mean, I don't have the actual numbers in front of me
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But just spending like a few minutes a day with this thing is literally like taking years of intelligence off your life
37:06
It's just really wild what it's doing to our brains. So again, you have to be really
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Really intentional and very mindful and very thoughtful and again intentional about your use of this
37:17
Otherwise if you're just leaning on this as some sort of crutch
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You're never you're you're going to become so weak and flabby that if the collapse does come you're not going to make it
37:26
You're just not going to make it
37:27
It's part of what's nice about being in this gen X
37:31
Group is that you you sort of have analog as a child and then digital as an adult
37:36
And you learn how like the evolution of it as opposed to kids who were born, you know
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In the you know in the 2000s
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It's just digital
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It's just all it is and they just don't know the the beauty and frustration of the analog world
37:52
And where there were inefficiencies that you just dealt with
37:55
You know, you'd pick up the phone and call your buddy's house and sometimes he wasn't there and you'd say all right
38:01
Well, tell him that I called and that was it. It's like, well, where is he?
38:04
You can't call yourself. So there's inefficiencies and you go, oh god, that would make me insane
38:09
but
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You you you learned to pivot you learned that okay. Well change your plans couldn't get ahold of him
38:15
Now the next plan is I'll go ride my bike around the the
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Neighborhood and if I see a bunch of bikes in front of somebody's house, then I know that that's where they are
38:23
Right, then that's the second plan that's of getting ahold of everybody since we don't have cell phones
38:27
And you just kind of deal with it, right?
38:29
But if you're born in a world where you only have technology and you haven't had to go through those things
38:34
Maybe just the simple thought process of working yourself through like step one step
38:39
Not to say that you don't do it these days, but you just would do it differently or or you you're
38:46
Or maybe it would just
38:47
Freak you out to the point. I can't get ahold of anybody. I can't get ahold of it. It's like, well, shit
38:51
I remember being in Las Vegas with all my buddies for a bachelor party. This is and I this before cell phones
38:57
You want to talk about frustration?
38:59
But this is a real thing and we we were all leaving the room at the same time
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And I was like, I forgot so I could run back to the room
39:06
I'll meet you guys downstairs right at the base of the of the elevators and I went back to my room
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Got in the next elevator going down when I got down to the base of the over
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They were all gone and that was the end of the night for me
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I couldn't find him. I couldn't call him. I looked everywhere
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And after that you're on your own pal
39:25
So sometimes you just that's just the the beauty and and and horror of not having the technology
39:32
Is that the worst thing? Isn't there something kind of nice about? Hey, what if we had a night?
39:37
I'll tell you what I was just in europe and and I walked by one
39:40
restaurant
39:42
That said had a sign in the window. It said
39:45
Give us your cell phone for the entirety of your meal and we'll give you a free dessert
39:49
Enjoy your the the conversations with your family and friends and I was like
39:56
Shouldn't even have to shouldn't even have to incentivize with the free dessert
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It's just such such a good idea. I mean, is that the direction we're going to go at some point?
40:04
Is there going to be nostalgia for the analog world?
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Yeah, I hope so, but um, I hope it's not restricted to some sort of museum experience inside of someone's VR headset
40:14
Because that that's unfortunately where that that's headed. Um, but yeah, you know, I was it's funny
40:20
Just earlier today. I was listening to your 1991 episode
40:24
I only made it halfway through but I was just like lost in the nostalgia
40:28
I was thinking about the what you're saying here
40:30
I was like I I've encountered instances where people younger than me think I'm really smart and they assume
40:35
I'm into computers because of the eyeglasses and I know a little bit about computers
40:39
Not the way they think but the reason that they think I'm smart is not because I'm really that particularly
40:43
Intelligence because I'm a gen Xer so I came from a different time and I know how to problem solve things
40:49
I'm not I'm not always like I can't expect there always to be a an instantaneous answer in the black mirror
40:54
Because as you said we had to figure things out for ourselves
40:58
Um and back in the day I was a big reader and I was a big fan like they had these books
41:01
I don't know if you remember them. They're like two minute mysteries is what they were called or five minute
41:05
I think they were called two minute mysteries. They were just short little like Sherlock Holmes style
41:09
Detective things but you would have to like you'd have to solve it along with them and figure it out
41:13
And it was just like these logic training puzzles as you're going but you're reading and um speaking of like I tomorrow
41:20
I'm gonna lose the power to my house for an hour or two possibly as they're installing some solar panels
41:26
The landlady told me that and I was like, oh my god. Are you kidding?
41:29
I'm gonna get to go sit outside and just read a book. I'm so excited
41:32
I can't wait to just spend a couple hours tomorrow and read a book when I'm like, well shoot I could do that anytime
41:37
But unfortunately, I'm so attached to all the electronics and stuff
41:40
I feel like I don't have time
41:42
To sit down and read a book until I'm like completely cut off from from all the technology
41:47
So if again if the technology is cut off, I'm ready, baby
41:50
I got like hundreds of books that I haven't read yet. So bring it on
41:55
Yeah, what do you what do you make of the data centers? We've been talking about this quite a bit lately. It's uh
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You know if it were just
42:02
You know ai gets rolled out and then they say, well, you know data centers ai
42:07
Gotta have a place to keep all the ai and you go, well, I'm not really sure it works that way seems like the
42:12
Okay, maybe even if it did
42:15
You have a big data center in bluffdale, utah for the nsa
42:19
Can't you just build one gigantic data center?
42:21
And then that's kind of it if that's right
42:23
But no, you've got to kind of build them everywhere and they are and they need water for some reason
42:29
And and and all of this
42:31
Does it seem to you like maybe there's a little bit more to this story than we're being told about what they're for and what they're gonna
42:38
Do to us in the future
42:40
Yeah, exactly that
42:43
Because that's all I can say confidently at this point
42:45
But there there are some new emerging theories now that people are finally willing to
42:50
Look outside of this from the ai thing
42:53
One of them of course involves cryptocurrency because it reminds me
42:56
More than anything of all the mining like all of the large
43:00
Mining operations that bitcoin and blockchain technology needs to do which was a discussion back in the day
43:07
So, I mean, maybe this is cover for that
43:10
There's a lot of people saying oh, maybe this is cover for some sort of FEMA camps kind of thing
43:14
Maybe this is the on top structure for the underground bunkers that they're going to build to go hide from all the people
43:19
And they revolt whatever it is
43:21
It could be a cover for a million different things and then out of nowhere a friend of mine in one of my discord chats
43:27
That I belong said something that I cannot get out of my head and I didn't ask him about it
43:31
I didn't search any further, but I just I can't get it out of my head
43:35
So I will do some research into this but he said are all of these data centers they're building
43:40
Are they making a motherboard on planet earth?
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Like a computer motherboard. Yeah, I was like whoa
43:47
Hold on a second and then I was like, oh my gosh
43:49
Because if you if you look into these things and you start to realize where they're being built
43:53
And why they're obsessed with building in them in specific places like again
43:57
Why in specific places and then it's like well you learn about lay lines and the 33rd parallels and all this other weird
44:04
esoteric stuff
44:05
And you look at some of that stuff happening on the the circuit boards inside your computers as above so below
44:11
And like oh god this could be some really really crazy stuff that I don't have time to go down that rabbit hole
44:17
But I thought I would mention it because I was like wow
44:18
We're finally getting some interesting theories emerging now that people are willing to
44:23
Go beyond the fact that this is not just for AI and that I can say
44:27
Fairly confidently with my own research if everything is exactly as they say it is and from my own experience
44:32
My own research and what I know it's completely unnecessary so much so that like you can literally install on your own
44:38
The hardware devices stuff that would just blow your mind like you're like why do we need these need these things and it's like well
44:44
Wait a minute. Maybe they're trying to price people out. This is another theory
44:47
They're trying to price us out price the little guys out so we can't run our own
44:51
AI and all this stuff they're forcing us to use it, right
44:55
They want to own the the source of the control to centralize it. What's the way to do that?
44:59
We'll price out the little guys they can't build it on their own hardware
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Which is easy to do as long as you can afford it
45:04
Which you can't and now they're going to have to rely
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Vast like and the more people that have to rely on these things then yeah, sure
45:11
I guess they would have to build more data centers to power them
45:14
But I I'm skeptical about that charlie. I'm leaning more towards they are terraforming the planet getting us ready for the alien visitors
45:23
Well, if you want to find out where they are hakeem anwar from
45:27
Above phone and take back our tech has built a really great interactive map ai denis
45:32
Ai data center map.org or calm try both
45:39
One of them will work and it's it's pretty
45:42
Outstanding you can you can bring in a bunch of different filters for it to show where the high power
45:47
High tension electric power lines are where the aqueducts are
45:52
and in
45:54
Zoning for different. There's a component that shows labels the ownership structure of it. So
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This is a very that the the motherboard thing just kind of blew my mind a little bit because yeah
46:05
I might want to look at this on an aerial map and I don't know
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I don't know enough about how you design motherboard circuits, but I know that there's some really wonky like
46:16
Ritual component to it as well the layout and some of that as as you mentioned the esoteric side of it
46:22
I mean, it's one thing you just think computer chips and computer nerds and there's plenty of that
46:26
But but also the way it's laid out. Oh, I mean, are they summoning things every time they look like they got heat sinks
46:33
That's all I'm gonna say
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Oh, shit
46:37
Well, that's not great
46:41
It's very it's I mean, I guess it's the alternative is that we're not paying attention
46:46
I mean, I'd rather be paying attention and be
46:49
A little bit terrified of what's coming then to wake up one day five years from now
46:56
And have no clue that that we've we've kind of walked ourselves into it. I
47:01
I don't know
47:04
I don't know. I don't know where the exit is for this
47:06
You know a lot of this stuff. It feels like maybe you can just opt out of it
47:10
I wonder at what point are we not going to be able to opt out of this where it becomes a little bit too
47:16
Maybe not mandatory, but just so practical in your day-to-day life
47:20
It's already getting to that point where you if you want to go analog and get out of the rat race, you're
47:26
It's tougher and tougher to do that. I just traveled internationally
47:31
It's
47:31
They want everything digitally. They want to take your picture. They want to take your picture
47:36
You have to fight with them to not take your picture, which of course I do
47:39
But at some point they're gonna get it
47:42
Right. There's there's one other elephant in the room is something that I brought up
47:46
When I was doing my program of the daily ruckus, which is currently suspended. I'll get back to it
47:51
But the last episode that I did over a year ago was building upon this theory of
47:58
Something very similar to I think a topic that you are very much interested in about population
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And the argument I was making at the time
48:06
I think very similar to some of you're thinking here charlie is that we are not facing some sort of like
48:11
Overpopulation but rather a population collapse
48:14
And if that is indeed the case and if the world's leaders and the elites and at that time when I had this idea and
48:20
Popped in my head and all that stuff elan musk was literally running around telling people. Oh my gosh, dude, japan
48:26
Oh my gosh, dude, this country. They they're they're below the replacement
48:31
Birthrate like they're not having enough babies and it's like so if if if a guy like that knows that
48:36
I know that the the the social engineers and the world powers that be whoever the they that they are
48:42
They know this stuff and that means if indeed we're headed towards a place where there's going to be far less people
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In the future and these evil scumbags depend on all of these people to to you know do what they do
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It's going to be a lot harder for them if there's a lot less of us
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So there's always this running theory in the back of my mind that a lot of this push for all the data centers
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For all the ai for all the robots is to replace us and it may or may not be because they're planning on killing us
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It may more be as simple as because they know that they've already
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Killed us and they're just waiting for the shoe to drop and they got to be ready
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Freddie if you know what I mean
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Yeah, yeah, it's unfortunately a very real
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Possibility here because they they do want to get rid of us there. There is a
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They're we're below replacement levels
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And a lot of the western countries almost all of them are below replacement
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And and where they're where they're not or where they're going to see changes in their replacement level
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It isn't because suddenly everybody's having kids. It's because they're they've imported in a bunch of people who have
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Eight kids, you know, they're they're taking people from sub-saharan Africa
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Who's
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Rate, you know from the democratic republic of kongo is 8.0
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And so the reason why the uk is
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Going to have their population rates go up is not because people are having more kids
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It's just they're they're skewing the numbers by bringing in people that are already
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Four times above replacement and then saying see we don't have a demographic problem
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Well, you do you have a big one in china
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That nobody's allowed to talk about you've got a catastrophe in japan and south korea
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and
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Frankly like all of the high iq countries are in demographic decline
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So, you know, you you're you're on the one hand either
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I don't know that anybody's forcing the japanese to depopulate or the south korean
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It's more cultural than anything, but you're on a cultural down slide
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and then you've got
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ai to
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I guess what fill in the gaps
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If if you're getting rid of intelligent people if intelligent people aren't reproducing then you can just build them in computers
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And and just have those as the intelligent people and then everybody else will be
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at a 70 iq
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But who cares because the computers will tell them what to do. Anyway, I don't I don't I definitely don't like the direction
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This is going but yeah population is
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Is playing a role in this and in any time they tell us something
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It's usually the opposite. So so if they're screaming about over population
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You have to ask the question about is this real because the china numbers are not real the billion the 1.6 billion people
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Over estimated the numbers in india are over estimated both of those countries should be below a billion
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If if we're actually counting them they have really
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screwed up
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India's accounting systems was written in pencil
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You know what I mean like they just don't even know how many people are there and the numbers they provide as
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Proof are garbage and the only thing the closest thing you can get is cell phone data
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And even that's you know impossible to
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It's not accurate. So I've seen the videos where the person's got 20 cell phones on the wall
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And they're just you know doing the social media doom scroll thing
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Yeah, yeah, so so that that's that's the problem too. It's hard to say. Well, are there a are there a
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billion people or there a billion indonesian muslims or anything
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It's like well, if you're going off cell phone data
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I just remember pokemon go and the guy on the bicycle who was riding around and had the like 70 cell phones all
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Plugged into his bike as he was riding around catching imaginary digital pokemon or whatever
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So, um, I think that I think that we're just in a sea of lies where the numbers are nonsense and and and the solutions to the problems
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Are probably nonsense and how much of this
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AI build-up is just to try and get these companies to go public
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And suck in all the exit liquidity from all the dummies who are like I've got I've got 50 bucks
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I want to buy SpaceX stock or I want to buy anthropic stock. It's like good luck to you, man
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like we're making this stock available to the public now because
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Because you're the suckers at the three-card monte table and we need your money to get out
52:57
You know, none of us have made any money on this until we get
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The people's money that comes into the stock market then everybody else's
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All the insiders take their money out and they're gone and then you're sitting on a pile of garbage
53:08
That's the direction. I think this is headed with with a lot of the these AI
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publicly traded companies is that I don't think their accounting is quite
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As legit as they want it to be. I mean, they've got deals with everybody else and Nvidia and Nvidia's got deals with somebody else and
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I don't know. It seems like a big digital circle jerk to me
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And it is the that's what a lot of people have been calling them out on and now trump wants to and his
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administration
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It's not just trump forgive me
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But uh the Ludnecks and the scott vessens close to them there. They're trying to now
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Integrate america into this circle jerk by having them americans in that invest in america by you like now
53:47
You're like they're going to take your money or whatever you're we're going to invest the country into these 50
53:51
Into these fortune 500 companies, but that's okay because the fortune 500 companies are invested in america
53:57
Look palatier helped us build the ballroom like well, wait a minute. Hold on like this is just it's crazy
54:02
So it's like it used to be like we were concerned that we might be in air quotes people moving towards some sort of public private partnership
54:10
Problem here and instead they're just out in the open. They're like, yeah, no, we're doing the thing
54:14
Trump say he wants to leave the ufc thing on the white house lawn permanently. I hope he took it down
54:19
That's disgusting to me
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It is disgusting to me too, but it's also a perfect encapsulation of where we are with the united state
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It it is idiocracy it is it is that but I wonder if it's not
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And maybe it's for the best
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That everybody sees it
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You go come come on. Come all come here. Come here. Take a look at this
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monstrosity
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We have ufc on the white house lawn if you're asking is the empire over
54:47
Like there is the answer
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Can't make it up
54:51
Well, I mean, but then people be like, well, yeah, but see what the last guy had on his lawn
54:55
I'm like, okay, you're talking about the dude with the boobies and okay, sure
54:59
But um, you know, at least we you know, we're like murdering people with artificial intelligence and saying that the people who create the artificial intelligence
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That murders them is great because they're invested in america
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Like I'll go with the man with the boobies. You know what I mean? There was a trade-off
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the the the biden freak show though
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freaky and and definitely a show
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was
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mildly annoying
55:24
In comparison to what the the
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Trump administration has brought this grotesque
55:30
Selling of america. I mean, we knew america was for sale for a while there
55:34
But but it's become cartoonish the the things that they've done, you know, we used to
55:40
They've out memed us, you know, we would joke about stuff like israel having
55:46
like a like a
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Land sale on the you know
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It'd like be some meme where they're standing on the corpses of dead
55:54
Palestinian children's auctioning off the land and then they go and do it, you know what I mean?
55:58
Then they go and have the the the sales in new york city where they're like, hey, you know beachfront
56:02
Gaza real estate for sale come to this seminar in new york city and you're like
56:06
This is so gross that like we we joked about this
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But it was a joke because it would never happen and and the fact that it is happening
56:17
Of course now it doesn't feel so funny. It just feels very
56:21
Sad and I and I don't get all weepy about like
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america or anything like that these days, but
56:28
But you do remember how it used to be. I mean
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I know that there was nonsense going on in 1991 in the white house when george hw bush was there
56:38
I I know he was a diabolical dark figure doing awful things to children. I have met kathy o'brien
56:46
But
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But it was hidden
56:51
They at least had the decency to not show you this and and you had to you had to search for
56:56
The truth to figure out who these people really were and now you just have to turn on the tv
57:02
And it's howard letnik sitting courtside at a nicks game and you're scratching your head going
57:08
How is this guy not in a prison cell?
57:10
You know, that's that's where we are. It feels very end of empire to me
57:14
The the ripping off of the mask has been one of the most shocking things and until
57:20
You know, it got more shocking than that. It just every day it gets shocking. Doesn't it? It's just
57:26
Slow down everybody. I'm getting tired boss. I'm tired the white house just made a post recently
57:31
It was either today or yesterday. It just says the boss and I'm just thinking
57:36
Yeah boss. I'm tired. Um, can I quit yet? I'm ready for retirement
57:44
What you know, I had a funny interaction with hesher from your partner over the boiler room
57:51
Do you ever tell you that how we when we met up in austin, texas?
57:55
so
57:56
there's a
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american liberty awards
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Fun, they did it in in the summer of 2023. It was fantastic and
58:04
Fun fun event we got done there and it was star and I was starving two o'clock in the morning
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I don't know 130
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Hesher
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Havoy and I
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All leave to go on a search for tacos, which is I think a reasonable search at 130 in the morning on a saturday
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um
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On 6th street in in austin and we found tacos. We were so excited. We got there and we were
58:29
Waiting for our food. We were noticing there was an unusual batch. There's an unusual crowd
58:36
And but we couldn't put our finger quite on it and then our tacos came we're
58:41
eating our tacos and there's a
58:43
Young gay couple next to us who apparently had had too much to drink
58:47
And so one of the gentlemen was puking into the trash can which is not great
58:52
At the end of the night when you're just trying to enjoy your tacos. So but we
58:56
Been there done that in our youth gave them kind of a pass, right?
59:01
Now when the second
59:04
Group also started doing that
59:06
We decided we needed to get up and move and and kind of get away from where we were
59:11
And I forgot who it was but somebody from the conference walks by there. Hey, what's up guys? Good to see you
59:15
What are you doing? We're like, we're like, we're just having some tacos. They're like, why are you having tacos here?
59:20
We're like, we just kind of sat down. He's like, this is like the gay pride parade. What are you guys doing?
59:27
And we didn't know but while we were in the event
59:31
There was a huge gay pride parade on 6th street because but we were inside and we didn't know anything about it until
59:36
We come out afterwards and it has broken up and cleared up
59:39
But there was most definitely a theme and we had wandered into it. And so
59:45
The three of us, I mean, I don't know if you've seen her voice. He's a he's a he's a good-looking man
59:49
You know about six foot six. I looked like I was
59:53
I looked like I was having having having dinner with two two fine fellas, you know
1:00:00
Let's wrap up with this. Where's uh, tell everybody where they can find you
1:00:04
Where's the best place to catch your work? Where are you?
1:00:07
I know you're on with with patrick and the crew on sunday wire on
1:00:11
Over a 21st century wire, but uh, where's the best place for people to catch up with uh, with what you're working on?
1:00:17
Um, alternatescurrentradio.com
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um
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Actually might not even be this much from alternatecurrentradio.com
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Uh, so yep, just you know if you find boiler room you find 21 wire you can find us
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I have a new series that i'm working on tentatively called the day uh, sorry the ruckus files
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Uh, it's going to be a short form video content series looking forward to doing this
1:00:41
So, uh, you will find out more information about that by just checking out the website again alternatecurrentradio.com
1:00:48
That's ruckus everybody go check out his work go go find our old
1:00:54
TNT archive shows you can find them somewhere. I'm sure they were fun to do
1:00:58
Uh, if you want to connect with me macroaggressions.io is a great place to do that that you can find everything
1:01:03
I'm working on over there or activistpost.com is uh, probably
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My best suggestion on where to find the news, uh, that will appeal to you
1:01:14
Thanks everybody. We'll talk to you again soon