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Kevin Harvick | Kenny Conversation #4 · Kenny Wallace Media

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  I was consistent, but I never wanted you to know who I was.
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  Okay, that makes sense. I don't want you to know.
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  I don't want you to know how happy we are.
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  I don't want you to know how confident we are Rivals.
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  You know how arrogant we are, but there was never a time that
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  we went to the racetrack that we didn't think we were going to
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  whip. Your like there was never a time
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  that we didn't think it but we never wanted to show it right?
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  Like you always wanted to have that confidence but you never
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  wanted it to be arrogant and cocky because the karma train
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  might just run you over, right? I'm right in the middle of the
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  I always say this is the moment where I pause, when we have the
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  great ones on the Kenny conversation man, I'm excited
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  again. I'm always excited every show
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  because this guy has done it all Kevin.
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  Kevin Harvick thank you for being on no problem.
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  I'm looking forward to it. You know what?
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  Because I never know what to expect from you and that's what
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  makes things way more fun. And I know you won't you're
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  going to shoot it to me straight.
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  So I'm looking forward to having a nice talk today and Seeing
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  what we can, what kind of trouble we can cause today,
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  right? And I do know you're a
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  troublemaker, and we'll talk about that way, but I thought
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  that was you. Hey, hold on.
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  Now, remember years ago, you had the nickname.
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  You were the punk? Yeah, that's okay.
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  It never was years ago. I had a, I had a, I did a media
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  tour today and I had one of the, one of the common questions that
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  I get is, what would the 47 year old?
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  Kevin Harvick, tell the 25 year old.
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  Kevin Harvick. And I was like, I'm not sure
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  that the 25 year old Kevin Harvick would listen to the 47
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  year old because that's just the way that it works.
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  And if it wasn't for all the 25 year old mistakes, you'd never
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  get to the wisdom of 47. So I just I don't think we
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  should talk. I agree with that.
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  You know, we change so much. And I've always learned years
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  ago, there was at phrase, life's a journey.
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  And one thing I've learned it is a journey because we aren't born
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  40 years, Old, that will be a big shortcut.
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  Yeah. And you know, for me, it's been
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  my racing career in general has been, it's been strange because
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  of the way that it started and when you when you when you look
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  back I shouldn't say the where it started but where it started
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  in my cup career, because my first interview was my first
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  press conference was the biggest press conference that I ever
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  did. My first win was by far, the
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  biggest winning moment that I've ever had, and that was all
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  because of Of the way that that you went into the car but then
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  it all backed up from, from there, you know, because of, you
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  know, you make a mistake here and you say something wrong and
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  you, you make this fan base mad and that fan base map.
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  These people like it. Those people don't like it and I
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  had to learn all those. I had to learn all those life
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  lessons along the way. With the Earnhardt, fanbase
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  following you along the way and critiquing you.
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  So it was, you know, it all it, all kind of started.
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  And so you had to learn quickly, how to navigate the landscape of
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  NASCAR racing and Earnhardt Nation there.
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  Let's remind everybody, what happened?
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  We lost the great, Dale, Earnhardt, senior Richard
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  Childress has, you're going to drive this car at Atlanta?
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  You drive it, you win the race. Now with us, reminding everybody
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  that Did you didn't start your cut career, the way that you
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  really wanted, or can that be controlled?
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  No, and really, you know, it all started when Dale died at the
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  Daytona, 500, and I got the call actually laying in bed on a
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  Wednesday night. Richard called me and said, hey,
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  I need you to, I need you to come to the shop.
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  So I lived I lived, right? Right down the street, from,
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  from the shop at that particular time.
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  So I drove to the office and I I walked in his office and it was
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  him sit behind his desk and Bobby Hutchins and, and, you
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  know, Kevin Hamlin. And I walked in and sat down and
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  they said, hey we want you to, we want you to drive this, this
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  car this weekend at Rockingham, and at that point I had already
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  told my wife before I left I said, hey they're going to,
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  they're going to ask me to drive this car this weekend.
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  I'm going to drive it and so I told him I'd drive it.
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  And I just, we never talked about anything else.
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  We didn't talk about contracts money, it was at that particular
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  point. It was all about.
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  What can I do? What is right for our CR.
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  I've been here for a year and a half and and I'd actually been
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  doing all the testing for Dale at that particular time in the
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  three car with his team. So I knew the team so it wasn't
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  really, there was no decision to be made, it was just do
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  whatever. So, we went to the racetrack
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  that particular weekend and and, you know, ran the race and then
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  the line and I flew out and got married on Wednesday.
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  Oh my, I didn't know that hole. Yeah.
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  Yeah. You win Atlanta.
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  No, no, no. You won't know I erased my very
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  first Cup Race at Rockingham, right?
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  We left that night and had the whole team and my family and her
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  family. We all flew to Las Vegas, oh my
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  poor, the for, what would have been the third race of the
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  season in my second race? We got married on Wednesday
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  night and I got my first top 10 on Sunday in Las Vegas.
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  When we flew home and got my first win the next week.
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  At Atlanta. So it was a big it was a big
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  three weeks. Okay.
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  This is something I never knew. It's not important for me to
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  know everything whatsoever and I think somehow that slid under
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  the radar to a lot of fans. So at that time, first of all
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  want to back up because this is Kenny conversation, we just go,
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  we you started this, I love this because I've learned so much, so
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  So this is during a tough time and yet you're getting married,
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  which is the happiest Time of Your Life.
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  Did you have to balance that? Well, when you go back and you
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  look at it all and it was really one of the best things that
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  happened during that particular time frame.
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  Because I had my whole team there Richard was there, you
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  know, we just, we had just gone through, we just gone through
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  everything with with, with Dale and All the downtime and so it
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  gave the team a chance to come out to the right to Las Vegas
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  and not have to worry about the race and not have to worry about
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  everything that happened with Dale and everything that had
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  gone on because of the fact that we were getting married and we
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  were going to have a good time and we were going to get our
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  minds off of it. So so we got married and the one
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  of the one other funny story that we had that weekend,
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  Richard, I think he was born in nineteen.
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  So I want to say 40, I don't know.
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  See something and Richard bought this bottle of wine and it was
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  the year that he was born. I can't remember how much money
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  he paid for this bottle of wine a lot probably.
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  Yeah, probably a lot. So if I'm home, and I was flying
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  with Richard because I didn't have any way to get to the
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  racetrack. So I was flying home with
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  Richard. He was telling me about this
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  bottle of wine and he said, you win a race.
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  This year, we're going to drink this bottle of wine.
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  I had never drank wine in my life.
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  The only thing I drink up until that point was the cheapest beer
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  that I could find And Blue Ribbon.
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  Yeah, like that. So I went and won the race next
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  week and I reminded him. I said, hey, we're going to
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  drink that bottle of wine because I knew that the last
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  thing he wanted to do was open that bottle of wine and I was
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  going to make him open that bottle of wine after we won
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  Atlanta. So I go to, we go to his house
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  for dinner, and he is nervous, is crap opening this bottle of
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  wine because he knew it wasn't supposed to be open.
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  Kenny, we went through this process.
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  SS for probably 30 minutes of him trying to figure out how he
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  was going to open this bottle of wine.
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  He puts the cork opener in there and the cork just immediately
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  just crumbles, we strain it, and strain it and strain it.
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  And we finally drink the bottle of wine and I didn't think it
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  was very good but it was well worth.
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  It was well worth the effort to drink just because of the of the
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  promise and the situation. So so yeah.
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  It was those, those, those three weeks.
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  You know, I don't know if you've ever gone back and watched that
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  press conference at Rockingham, but I mean, it was, it was
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  nothing like I've ever experienced in my life.
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  It was just a, it was a dark rainy.
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  Gloomy day, appropriate. They it was very appropriate and
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  it had this makeup, you know, pop up tent that they had put in
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  because they had so many media that were coming to cover it.
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  And I just remember looking out into that crowd of media and
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  just you know, I had no clue what was What I was going to say
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  or what I was going to do and I knew none of them were there.
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  You know, because they wanted to wanted to be there, but it was
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  there were some, there were some interesting times but really we
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  made it through that year because we decided to run all
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  the Busch races. We ran all the Cup races.
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  There were no testing limits at that particular point.
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  So we tested the cup car, we tested the Xfinity car and they
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  basically they basically sent us off.
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  They basically sent me off. To race as much as I could, we
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  ran our first truck race that year for cage.
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  I at at at Richmond. And we had honestly myself and
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  Delana and really the guys that I raced with, on the, on the
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  Busch Series car at the time, we had no idea, really the
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  magnitude of what was happening. All we did was race, every all
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  the problems were masked until 2002 and then the bottom fell
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  out. Trying to trying to trying to
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  address everything that we had in address the year before.
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  So I want to go back to that wine for a minute.
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  Did he ever two questions about the wine?
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  Did he tell you how much money he paid for that wine bottle?
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  I swear it was like fifteen thousand dollars of the time I
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  was here, sludge in the bottom of it.
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  There was sludge in the bottom of it, there was sad, I just
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  want to tell clogging it was clunky and bad.
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  It was underneath it was, it was never intended to open.
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  Never intended, nor there's probably Never intended to drink
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  but we were drinking it. Okay, so let's go back to what
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  you talked about that rainy day at Rockingham.
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  So I've been a big fan of yours for years.
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  I think it's just because you kind of remind me of myself
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  growing up kind of a scrapper, you know, just doing your deal.
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  I was born in 63. I know you're a lot younger than
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  me but I've always liked your way.
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  So, I haven't got to start the interview by the way.
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  You're awesome. You're Chatty Cathy today.
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  I love you, you're badass. So we get to that that
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  Rockingham deal. We go through this whole first
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  part at when when did, when did you realize right away?
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  That this was, this was like a dream.
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  This is not not the dream, you intended.
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  At what point at what weekend? Did you go, man?
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  This was never planned. Well it was never planned but I
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  was pretty embedded into the whole thing already you know
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  because Dale didn't want to do any of the testing and the team
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  needed to get better. So in 2000 really at the end of
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  spring we I got pushed off into testing Dale's car.
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  So basically at that particular time, we were just developing
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  all the 14 shocks, the three fives and a to you are I said
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  this but you feel like you already.
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  What you're saying is you you were in Dale seniors car
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  embedded in it. Yeah, well I was embedded in the
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  team and so you know, I think I think for me there were a lot of
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  things that I didn't have to get used to because of the fact that
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  I had already been around his team, I had already been to the
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  racetrack with with those guys. And and Todd barrier was a big
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  part of really Bridging, the Gap of the things that I didn't know
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  or when I would get frustrated mad.
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  With with particular things or bringing information over from
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  the Busch Series car. Todd barrier was was one of the
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  biggest keys to that whole program because of the fact that
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  you know, he had worked at our CR since probably 1995.
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  I'd say with Skinner's truck and in the Fab shop and all the
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  things that they were doing on Jace otters deal, but he was
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  kind of that bridge because really Kevin, Hamlin, great guy.
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  But that whole team was built around Dale.
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  Yeah, but Todd knew all those guys because he had worked there
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  and he was he be the one to kind of to kind of smooth things over
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  when I would get wound up because I was wound up all the
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  time and, you know, just on the chip ready to go and wanted
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  things to move. And, and so, you know, those
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  guys and I guess the point of this is, I was already.
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  I already knew everybody on the team already.
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  I've already for the job. I was, I was if that if that's
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  what I needed to do, I was ready to go and my seats are, we're
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  already in the cars. You know, we'd already been at
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  the race tracks and and we had already been testing and I
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  think, you know, for me, we would spend days and days, and
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  days at Kentucky, developing shocks and springs.
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  And you know, the first time that that Dale got to drive it,
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  they went to the Indianapolis test and everything that we had
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  developed at Indy or at Kentucky.
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  Took 2nd and when they took it 2nd Dale got he shook his car
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  down and then they they took my car out that we had been
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  developing with GM. And his guys at the racetrack
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  went like nine tenths of a second faster than his car did
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  and he said well what's in it for Springs and they told him I
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  at that time it was like three fives and a to and Randall all
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  the new crazy stuff in it re Z and he said put that thing back
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  in the truck. I'm not driving it.
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  Right now, it's because because because because he you know
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  those, I mean he's probably a lot like Rusty was, you know,
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  you had this spring and this spring and this bringing this
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  spring and you could change it a few, a few hundred pounds in
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  each Direction. But when you started talking
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  stuff like that, you know, the motor was all raised up and it
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  had all the new, you know, the new direction of the sport, he
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  was not thrilled about them, not telling him what was in that
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  car, but it was way. A faster.
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  So we started out early in your career.
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  Let's move forward a little bit now with the Kenny conversation.
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  Well, before we move further that all your stories, remind me
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  of this, we assume everybody knows everything but they don't.
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  Where did happy Harvick this? Legendary nickname.
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  What day when do you remember? Happy Harvick that who named you
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  that? What was that all about though?
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  That all started look, we were all hired.
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  Into I guess in the 1999 is myself and Todd barrier.
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  I guess, Mike Dillon was the driver of the, of the, the 21
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  car in those days. Lamps was Lance's.
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  Last name deters. Anyway.
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  I can't the whole team the whole, the whole team was hired
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  and we were just a bunch of young kids and but we had
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  nicknames for everything. And so for me, every time I came
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  in this, Shop. I was happy.
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  So I'd be bouncing around and they called me happy.
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  So, that's if you see my pit sign today.
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  That smiley face, that's where it started.
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  And I've kept that smiley face from the year 2000 all the way
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  until today. That's, that's, that's been the,
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  the happy smiley face, but it all started it in the in the
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  bush shop at RC are, they called me happy because every time I
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  walk in the shop I was happy and that makes me happy because I
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  that makes me happy. You thought it was some
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  sarcastic BS around. I think I thought we were mad
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  one day and they did the, you know, it's like the big guy that
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  called tiny. Yeah, I thought you were, here's
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  why in this, this is another conversation whenever you one
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  from day. One from my perspective, when I
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  would see you win. You are always consistent in my
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  book. Now when you went back to Delana
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  in the motor home and then when the kids came along, Tell me
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  are, were you always in Victory Lane?
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  You're always seeing the same. Never seems like you celebrated
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  more or less. So, were you always like that or
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  do were there wins that you were more excited about?
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  I think for, I think for me, I think the one thing that a lot
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  of people don't realize you are consistent in your happiness, is
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  what I'm saying? I was I was consistent, but I
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  never wanted you to know who I was.
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  Okay, that makes sense. I don't want you to know.
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  I don't want you to know how happy we are.
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  I don't want you to know how confident we are.
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  Right? I won't, you know how arrogant
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  we are? But there was never a time that
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  we went to the racetrack that we didn't think we were going to
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  whip your ass. Like there was never a time that
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  we didn't think it but we never wanted to show it, right?
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  Like you always wanted to have that confidence.
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  Vince. But you never wanted it to be
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  arrogant and cocky because the karma train might just run you
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  over, right, right in the middle of the intersection.
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  And, you know, I just really from the very beginning.
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  I think that's something that carried over, probably from.
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  Probably, from back in the day, with my dad, like you just
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  always just wanted to just absolutely annihilate anybody
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  anytime if you had that opportunity but when you, when
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  you were the one getting annihilated, You never wanted to
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  know that it was bothering you. Yeah, you didn't get me.
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  I still win. Yeah.
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  Yeah, you're right. It's not you.
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  Yeah. And so I think for me and that's
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  what's been fun about this year, I don't have to worry about next
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  year is now you can do all these stories because I mean a lot of
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  it is a show. Kenny.
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  Yeah, right. Like it's really just a it's a
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  mental game of, you know, all these guys are friends and even
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  if we were friends, like I'm never going to open that door
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  all the way. Way to actually let you know how
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  this functions because I want to help you but I don't want to
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  help you enough to where you can beat me.
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  Because what we have is is a good system and good people, and
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  good things. But in order for the food to
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  keep coming on the table and everything, keep needing to keep
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  showing up, I need to keep beating you.
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  So, I've always been very cautious about exactly how far
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  you open that door to, to your competitors.
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  I Like what you said so to Capital like that.
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  My brother Rusty says, well, you come up with these fancy words
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  every once in a while but capsulate means.
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  You were happy. You were consistent because you
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  didn't want the competitors really know you so they could
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  use it against you. Right.
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  Right. Yeah.
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  I get it. Yeah I mean because at some
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  point you know you know how this deal Works.
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  Some point somebody's going to I know you do get in here looking
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  to make a story out of this and then this guy is going to get to
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  that guy because if you tell them that, if you tell everybody
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  that you have the greatest tire guy in the world at some point,
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  every guy in the garage is going to hire the greatest tire guy in
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  the world one hired to run over him.
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  Yeah, I mean so if you've got something that's good you want
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  to be quiet about it as long as you can because you don't want
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  to lose it and you want to make sure that you show appreciation
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  as much as you can in ways that that won't let people into why
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  it's actually going good or, you know, how excited you are.
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  So I've always been pretty guarded in that aspect now, I
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  know why Tony Stewart hired you, you know.
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  Tony was our first guest and then we went to Mark Martin, and
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  you're our third and you are the same as Tony.
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  We never started the conversation on my notes until
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  about 30 minutes into the conversation, I love you.
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  So, let's, let's start the conversation of.
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  It's like, is like I said, look, it means a lot, right?
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  So I got these notes. Let me say this about you.
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  And just Don't get cherry red in the face but you've done it all.
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  You've done it all. Okay?
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  And that means that you're a NASCAR champion.
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  You want every Big Race that I know of you are going to be a
• 21:28
  Hall of Famer. And that just, you know, was
• 21:32
  clarified basically by yesterday, the day before you
• 21:36
  were voted top 75 and we saw the video with you know Piper you
• 21:42
  love her so much. I saw you staring at her But
• 21:45
  what I like about Keen, as you can rough him up a little bit
• 21:47
  and he can take it. So, in my opinion, you've done
• 21:52
  it all. So is there anything else?
• 21:55
  I mean, I couldn't think of anything else.
• 21:57
  Is there anything else that is on your checklist in the NASCAR
• 22:01
  series, though? I mean, obviously, you'd always
• 22:07
  always want to be greedy and you want to win more but, you know,
• 22:10
  I think going into this year, it's really rewarding to know
• 22:15
  that. You know, you've been very,
• 22:18
  we've been very fortunate. I've been very fortunate to have
• 22:22
  won the big races and won a championship and won the Xfinity
• 22:26
  championships. We've been on the ownership side
• 22:28
  of the Championships in the truck series, man.
• 22:32
  I mean, there's no reason to get greedy about it, at this point.
• 22:35
  So why? Why?
• 22:37
  Why I get greedy? I of course, our goal this year
• 22:40
  was to be competitive. If we get more wins I'm fine
• 22:42
  with that. If we win a championship, I had
• 22:44
  be great with that but I'm not going to be Be, I'm not going to
• 22:48
  be happier or sad. If we don't do either, I would
• 22:52
  be, I'd be sad if we weren't competitive, but we've been
• 22:54
  competitive this year so that part's going to go fine.
• 22:59
  But really this year was because the way I wanted to do it Kenny
• 23:03
  was to just go to the banquet, walk off the stage and say see
• 23:07
  you guys, I'm all just flip them off, would you?
• 23:09
  No no no no, no. The thing that people got to
• 23:18
  remember, no matter how happy or sad, you are with Nascar or
• 23:22
  racing in general, it's still my life.
• 23:25
  Like, I love me, I love racing, I love NASCAR and the things
• 23:29
  that I've been able to do in NASCAR racing and the things
• 23:33
  that it is granted me for the way to live my life and do the
• 23:37
  things that I do, how, I mean, why should I ever be mad about
• 23:41
  that, right? Like, I get it.
• 23:43
  Like, they run their business, you run your business and I'm
• 23:46
  going to have it. Opinion.
• 23:47
  But unless it's mine, like I have no right to tell you that,
• 23:51
  that's the exact way that you should do it.
• 23:53
  I have an opinion. Yeah, I think we all have an
• 23:56
  opinion right of works better or what's worse and whether they
• 24:00
  listen or don't listen, but really the goal this year was to
• 24:03
  be competitive, but tell that story.
• 24:05
  How do we have fun with it? And tell the story of 30 years
• 24:08
  of racing and 27, 23 years in the cup series and fortunate to
• 24:13
  have a lot of success and and let's let's celebrate it.
• 24:17
  Like I would have never done that before, because I was
• 24:20
  worried about, you know, how that would be perceived, but
• 24:24
  really with the way that it's gone and the way that
• 24:26
  everybody's, you know, being able to look at everything and
• 24:30
  all the stuff that that Stewart-Haas Racing and all the,
• 24:34
  all the NASCAR folks, and everybody has captured and going
• 24:38
  back and reflecting on all those moments.
• 24:39
  It's been great and we've we've had a good time with it.
• 24:43
  I get to drive the 29 car again at the home.
• 24:47
  Richard. Yeah, Darlington.
• 24:50
  We all with the throw back there, doing the throwback cars
• 24:52
  at Darlington. But driving the 29 Cup car at
• 24:56
  the All-Star Race is going to be pretty neat.
• 24:58
  So it's just good timing, you know, to call it to call it a,
• 25:05
  to call the end of it. I get to do it on my terms, I
• 25:07
  get to be competitive and been fortunate to accomplish a lot of
• 25:11
  things, so I have nothing to be mad about.
• 25:14
  I can just floor it and get out and say, Well.
• 25:18
  Something happens. I'm sorry you come get me next
• 25:21
  year. We're going to talk about NASCAR
• 25:23
  at the end. Like I do with all the
• 25:25
  Champions. We're going to get to the end
• 25:27
  but you brought that up so believe I know what you're going
• 25:33
  to say. But I want you to say it is why
• 25:36
  I'm going to ask it and that is we both you and I and a lot of
• 25:41
  people but not a lot. You Denny, Hamlin myself.
• 25:45
  We get mouthy against NASCAR. I believe it is it because we
• 25:49
  care. Kevin.
• 25:53
  Well, I think, I think, I think the, you know, the one thing to
• 25:56
  remember is we all have, we all see it in and we all see things
• 26:00
  from a different aspect, right? Yeah.
• 26:02
  What are they thinking? Yeah.
• 26:04
  And but, yeah, I think when you look at it, gosh, it's so much
• 26:09
  bigger. That's what we're thinking.
• 26:11
  What do they think? And we don't know what they know
• 26:13
  is what I'm saying. Yeah.
• 26:14
  And I think, I think the biggest thing is it's so much bigger
• 26:16
  than that than anything that we can even compute.
• 26:20
  Yeah, the magnitude of the Business in the, in the, in the
• 26:24
  way that it is running the amount of people that are into
• 26:26
  it, like, I don't even know where to start and that's,
• 26:29
  that's really for me when I'm like, you know what, these this
• 26:34
  car sucks or that restart sucked, or that call was
• 26:37
  terrible. I've learned to not take offense
• 26:40
  to it, we're thinking about ourselves as we're.
• 26:42
  Yeah, we're it autonomy. And you know, I we've spent
• 26:47
  we've spent the last I guess it's we're getting ready to, I
• 26:52
  guess it's been a year and a half that.
• 26:53
  We've really spent a lot of time as drivers.
• 26:56
  We've spent a lot of time with, with NASCAR and and their group
• 27:00
  and I'll be honest with you, we've never had more
• 27:03
  conversations about how to make the sport better and how to make
• 27:08
  things better, and how to do things differently and what the
• 27:10
  rules packages should be and how the tires should wear and just
• 27:16
  You wouldn't believe how open open.
• 27:18
  They are about everything that's going on in the communication
• 27:22
  that they're having with the drivers and to see all those
• 27:25
  drivers sit in the room. I don't know that.
• 27:29
  I don't know that you ever got to experience anything like
• 27:31
  that. But we go, we go.
• 27:34
  I mean weeks, and weeks, and weeks, and weeks of time
• 27:37
  together. Talking about how to grow the
• 27:40
  sport and how to do things better and new orta know this,
• 27:45
  the ours is Ours are just drivers drivers driver dies on
• 27:49
  death. When did this happen?
• 27:51
  Yeah we have. We have the drivers advisory
• 27:52
  Council that's been around. It's been around for a little
• 27:55
  bit now, but it really, really, with the new car, the safety of
• 27:59
  the, the new car and the accidents, and things that we
• 28:02
  had with the concussions kind of brought everything everything to
• 28:06
  a head. And but, you know, I think, I
• 28:10
  think, for me, I was pissed after Darlington last year, when
• 28:15
  my car caught on fire and it Kind of kind of ruined the
• 28:17
  playoffs and and we did a whole show about it.
• 28:20
  Yeah, that's yeah, that's really when it kind of came to a head
• 28:25
  and but we got some stuff done and we got some things started
• 28:29
  to change and really you know we change the rear clip we worked
• 28:35
  on the doors we've worked on Arrow packages and and so it's
• 28:41
  you know it's how do we communicate?
• 28:44
  How do we communicate in them? And help them.
• 28:47
  That's, that's really where we've evolved to.
• 28:49
  Because the communication is, is there an and, you know, I think
• 28:53
  from the driver's standpoint we're as big a part of this
• 28:55
  process as ever. We can't just we can't just turn
• 28:58
  our back anymore and say I do it this way and then just walk off.
• 29:01
  Like if you're going to have an opinion now you're going to have
• 29:04
  to sit in a room with all of us and tell us, tell us your
• 29:07
  opinion and show up to the meetings and be a part of this
• 29:10
  process to make it better. Because really, that's what
• 29:12
  happened, you know, when you guys were all there and Dale
• 29:15
  would Wrangle everybody up and say, all right, if it's not
• 29:18
  right, we're going to fix it. And, you know, I think it's been
• 29:21
  a very proactive process to be able to have the drivers
• 29:25
  involved. I can't speak for the team.
• 29:27
  I feel like, let me ask you this in that in that context.
• 29:30
  Do you feel like when your car caught on fire last year?
• 29:34
  Darling? Didn't ruin your race?
• 29:36
  Do you feel like you were so upset that they finally listen
• 29:40
  to you? Because I know there was
• 29:41
  Engineers involved to tell. NASCAR, here's what we need to
• 29:45
  do. We need to spray this On here,
• 29:47
  it won't do it. Did they listen to you?
• 29:49
  I think part of that, I think, I think if we'd have been as
• 29:53
  involved, now, then as we are now, I don't know that we've
• 29:58
  ever evolved to that because, you know, they were at a point
• 30:02
  where they waited too long to fix the cars.
• 30:05
  And I fires a lot of fires, a lot of problems and we should
• 30:08
  have never, we should have never got that far, but they realize
• 30:12
  that now, and they've been much more proactive with with a lot
• 30:15
  of things that they've done. Done.
• 30:16
  So it's been, it's been an interesting process and some of
• 30:19
  that I fault myself for some of that not wrangling everybody up
• 30:25
  and really putting these putting putting us all together as a as
• 30:30
  a group of drivers and and having to, you know, a better
• 30:34
  process of trying to communicate because I tell you the
• 30:40
  communication right now is we have more communication with
• 30:43
  NASCAR than we have ever had in the history.
• 30:46
  Of my being here period by a lot, not even comparable.
• 30:51
  So once again, I want to brag on you and you said maybe your dad
• 30:58
  but I feel like you have a very high IQ.
• 31:02
  And here's why by the way, happy I learned that in TV.
• 31:07
  My boss is said if you're going to say something tell them why.
• 31:10
  So I feel like you have a very high Q because at a very young
• 31:13
  age, Even if you shut it down, you were brave enough to start a
• 31:18
  truck seat truck team. You started khi management.
• 31:23
  You're managing some of the greatest athletes in America and
• 31:28
  then then you're talking right now about Gathering.
• 31:31
  You should have never been in that position.
• 31:34
  Does that come from your dad or your mom?
• 31:37
  This high IQ of young and knowing what you want?
• 31:40
  You go at it. I think it's, you know, I think
• 31:43
  this is something that That probably is lacking in today's
• 31:46
  world. I think my IQ is not very high
• 31:49
  really block it. I think a lot of it is common
• 31:52
  sense kidney and just just paying attention to what is
• 31:55
  rounded around you because I really, really good stuff.
• 31:58
  You control your sponsors? Yeah.
• 32:01
  Well I am in a lot of that is just relationships, right?
• 32:04
  Like picking up having having your sponsors birthday in your
• 32:09
  calendar and sending him a text and tell him.
• 32:11
  Happy birthday. I guess pretty difficult.
• 32:13
  You control your sponsors out. Drivers can say that well, and a
• 32:16
  lot of that just happens because, you know, in those in
• 32:19
  the sponsor situations that really comes from just
• 32:22
  relationships, right. Thank you because it's not all
• 32:24
  going to be here. We're not always going to be on
• 32:27
  the up and up and the performance side of things.
• 32:29
  At some point you're those relationships and and the things
• 32:32
  that you do are going to are going to pay off because of the
• 32:35
  fact that when things are going bad and the sponsor contract is
• 32:40
  up there going to be like you know what though that guy has
• 32:42
  been an ambassador for us. He's Done things that he doesn't
• 32:45
  have to do for us and he's been good for our business.
• 32:48
  And that's that's really what you want.
• 32:50
  And I always tell our young kids, nobody cares about you
• 32:55
  more than you period. So, if you want to be
• 32:58
  successful, pay attention to what the hell is going on?
• 33:02
  Pay attention. Because if you don't pay
• 33:04
  attention, and take your own career into your own hands,
• 33:08
  shake some hands, go above and beyond to do people.
• 33:11
  If you just do what you're supposed to do by your contract,
• 33:15
  You won't be here long. You won't be here. 23 years.
• 33:17
  I promise you that your talent speaks for itself.
• 33:21
  I mean, you know, there it is, right?
• 33:22
  You win all the time, you win championships but I'll be
• 33:26
  honest, you know, I'm most fascinated.
• 33:29
  And, you know, I've had some one minute conversations with you.
• 33:34
  You know, I'll never forget at the Atlanta race track.
• 33:39
  Atlanta was always an Achilles heel for me.
• 33:41
  I could not, I grew up short track race and chop into
• 33:45
  Corners, letting off the gas getting on it.
• 33:48
  And I finally looked at you at Atlanta, I think Kevin and I was
• 33:52
  depleted, I was in my 50s and I said, teach me how to drive this
• 33:55
  track. It is early in the driver's
• 33:57
  meeting. And you put your both your feet
• 34:00
  on top of my feet and you taught me your Technique.
• 34:07
  I'm not going to share it here because I don't guess you guys
• 34:09
  don't use it there now so we might as well share it.
• 34:11
  Yeah. But you want to share that with
• 34:15
  everybody. How did you learn?
• 34:18
  You were when you were winning everything there and I mean,
• 34:20
  you're still were going to win but you were letting off the gas
• 34:24
  90%. You have BRAC, dragging the
• 34:26
  brake never fully. Getting out of the gas did you
• 34:30
  learn that technique on this wrong?
• 34:32
  Talk about high IQ? Yeah you learn that technique
• 34:34
  right away but you grew up in Bakersfield where did you learn
• 34:38
  that that gas brake system? Yeah, well you know, I think, I
• 34:42
  think the first thing out of that out of that question, is
• 34:45
  you learned that? I, I like helping people.
• 34:49
  I love to help people but I just don't like helping people who
• 34:51
  don't want to listen. And if you're going to, if
• 34:53
  you're going to, if you're not going to listen or you're going
• 34:55
  to be a jerk, I'm not going to help you.
• 34:56
  You help me. Yeah.
• 34:58
  Like open you because you're not a jerk.
• 35:02
  But and there's a lot of people that just won't listen, no be
• 35:05
  like, ah, there's no way that'll work.
• 35:07
  You just went out there and did it and it worked fine.
• 35:09
  But I think for me, I grew up in Bakersfield at Mesa Marin and we
• 35:15
  always had that big lip on the bottom of the racetrack, right.
• 35:18
  And you had to hit that lip no you didn't have to you could you
• 35:22
  could run around the normal but Master you could take a piece of
• 35:24
  crap car and compete with it. If you could hit that lip and it
• 35:28
  was is all about setting the car on the lip, write it in with the
• 35:31
  brake set, the front down, get the thing on the lip and then
• 35:35
  touch the throttle. So that the car would set and
• 35:37
  you could drag it around the corner, I'll be darn.
• 35:41
  I think a lot of that started there because straighter used to
• 35:43
  tell me, I used to tell him what, you just drive it.
• 35:46
  Like you do it, may seem and he used to tell me.
• 35:47
  I was an idiot but it's funny because he's a great dirt racer.
• 35:53
  Yeah, he's the one, shredders the one to tell me.
• 35:55
  There's a thousand different spots in that gas pedal.
• 35:58
  Yeah, there's a thousand different spots and and you know
• 36:01
  I think as we tested and tested and tested God Kenny that was
• 36:05
  one of the things that that really has helped me.
• 36:09
  You know through my career was our motto and still I tell my
• 36:14
  guys is a lot today evolve or die.
• 36:17
  Like if you want to stay around here you better not.
• 36:19
  You better not think that there's not something better
• 36:21
  waiting around the corner because there is and there's a
• 36:24
  better technique. There's a better way.
• 36:26
  There's a better setup. There's a there's a difference.
• 36:28
  Right way to do it and when you really start looking around and
• 36:31
  you see all the different people that are doing this, and then
• 36:34
  you start talking to him and you can say, hey, did you hear what?
• 36:37
  That guy said? That's a dumb idea.
• 36:39
  Or you can walk away and say, you think we should try that?
• 36:42
  Maybe maybe there's something to that.
• 36:44
  We should at least try what he's talking about.
• 36:47
  That's probably the proper way to do this so that you don't
• 36:51
  wind up on the dead side of things, in the evolution of our
• 36:54
  sport. Because as you know, this this
• 36:56
  garage and this sport Evolve so rapidly.
• 37:00
  And if you're out of the loop for that long you're in big
• 37:03
  trouble. Yeah.
• 37:05
  I think this is where you need a couple nicknames.
• 37:07
  It's happy Harvick sneaky Harvick high IQ or Harvick, what
• 37:11
  if we don't get going we're going to go.
• 37:13
  Okay I have a two-hour interview and my manager Charlie Marlowe
• 37:16
  would say that's great, but let's move on to now you've done
• 37:21
  so much that it is you know, we need a five hour conversation
• 37:25
  and I know I don't Not exaggerating you have done it
• 37:30
  all and you said, you really don't have anything else on your
• 37:34
  list. So let's wrap that up and let's
• 37:36
  move forward. I remember Dale Earnhardt, jr.
• 37:41
  Making fun of me now, loving, but you're 2000 something to
• 37:47
  were at Charlotte. I get lucky qualify, like fourth
• 37:51
  or fifth in the squirty's car and it was his first race in the
• 37:55
  he made the race in the all the media was Dale.
• 37:59
  Earnhardt jr. He made a smartass comment to
• 38:01
  me, he said, oh, you're doing TV.
• 38:03
  Now that means your careers over it really pissed me off.
• 38:08
  No, it did piss me off it, hurt my feelings.
• 38:10
  So, my question you before we get into TV.
• 38:14
  When did that change? We're now everybody's doing TV.
• 38:20
  Okay. When did that change that?
• 38:22
  If you did TV, that meant you were, you, you were cool.
• 38:26
  They ask you to do TV. When did that change?
• 38:29
  Well, that really changed when gosh, we started I guess when
• 38:34
  was the we went into the booth when was it?
• 38:38
  Okay, let's put it that way. Yeah, they had you in there 10
• 38:42
  years ago. It seemed like during the
• 38:44
  Xfinity races. Yeah, we started going up there
• 38:46
  during the Xfinity races but not only cool.
• 38:49
  I don't know if I made it cool but I think you made it
• 38:51
  acceptable? I think.
• 38:53
  Yeah I think your team had to make it acceptable to and you
• 38:57
  had to be willing to take the time but As that all evolved
• 39:01
  being in the booth, the team's, in the sponsor started asking
• 39:06
  questions. Well, why aren't you in the
• 39:07
  booth? And why aren't you spending more
• 39:09
  time up there? So you were the most and when
• 39:12
  you start doing stuff like that, you put pressure on the other
• 39:14
  guys to do more work because of the fact that you're doing it
• 39:18
  and then their teams and their sponsors are asking questions.
• 39:20
  And so, you know, really being in the booth that that long and,
• 39:26
  you know, developing those relationships with Fox and
• 39:28
  spending the time. I'm up there, you know, it
• 39:31
  really paid off I guess, 10, or 12 years later because of the
• 39:34
  fact that we're going to be in the, I'm going to be in the TV
• 39:36
  booth going forward next year and you've got you got all those
• 39:40
  reps, right? You got all those reps in the TV
• 39:43
  Booth with the producers and, you know, all the different
• 39:47
  talent that goes in and out of the booth and it's such a
• 39:49
  different perspective up there but it was kind of wild like
• 39:53
  like you were ready for the 3 car.
• 39:56
  You're now ready for TV, right? Because you already regard,
• 40:01
  we've already been through all the work.
• 40:03
  And I always try to look at things as what's next, right.
• 40:07
  And I think EV was always something that I thought would
• 40:10
  be fun. And and you know, we took the
• 40:13
  opportunity to go in the booth and be able to start going
• 40:17
  through the Reps and developing the relationships and
• 40:19
  understanding how it all worked and listening to yourself and
• 40:23
  whether you liked it, didn't like it.
• 40:26
  Sounded good. Didn't sound good, dye your
• 40:29
  hair? Are don't dye your hair shave,
• 40:30
  your beard. Don't shave.
• 40:31
  I wonder if everything is right. I exactly went through it.
• 40:34
  I told Jacob, almond. I said, Jake it, I'm gray hair.
• 40:38
  Here's the Regan Smith. We had a great talk.
• 40:41
  I said I'm going to quit. I'm gonna go ride my dirt car
• 40:43
  but you're so real. I did, I did think about my gray
• 40:47
  hair and I did dye it because I thought it made me look younger.
• 40:50
  But you let me ask you this ten years ago when you started doing
• 40:55
  TV for the extent of your race on Saturdays in the Back of your
• 40:59
  mind, did you think that fox would hire you to have the
• 41:04
  biggest job in NASCAR TV is and that's be in the booth and call
• 41:08
  the races in 2024. Don't think that would happen.
• 41:12
  That was the intention so that you had lobbied am so that you
• 41:16
  had so that you had the opportunity, whether it was with
• 41:20
  fox or whoever was doing it so that you had the opportunity to
• 41:22
  say, I'm going to quit this year and I've got I mean you're as
• 41:29
  relevant as you can be and I've got all these reps in the booth
• 41:33
  for all these years of doing TV. I mean you build your resume
• 41:38
  while you were still racing and that was always the intention of
• 41:42
  you know to try to make sure that you had something to do
• 41:45
  when you were done and you were and you were you are already
• 41:50
  groomed to do it because of the fact that you'd already done it
• 41:53
  a lot. Lots o.
• 41:55
  But that was always the intention because look, there
• 41:58
  was a time I guess it would have been probably 2,000, I guess.
• 42:04
  What are we 23? I thought about retiring last
• 42:06
  year and then we signed the we signed the two-year contract.
• 42:10
  So I guess it would have been 2018.
• 42:13
  Like it was a real possibility to just say I think that might
• 42:16
  have been it and I don't know why that should have been easy
• 42:19
  to do it during the virus. Yeah, it would have been but
• 42:23
  2018 was before all that, you know, that I thought I thought I
• 42:27
  seriously thought about 2018 being The last year but the
• 42:32
  timing never felt. Right?
• 42:34
  I had a great relationship. If it wasn't for my relationship
• 42:37
  with with Rodney and the team and everybody, he loves you so
• 42:41
  much. Probably would have probably
• 42:43
  would have quit, but I just everybody gives so much that I
• 42:46
  felt like, I would have been letting them down.
• 42:49
  He ever seen a crew chief Rodney.
• 42:51
  Childers brag on his driver on social media.
• 42:55
  I think he truly loves you and cares about you.
• 42:58
  Oh there's a, there's a, there's Is a love and care that I'm just
• 43:02
  like we're like we're brothers, right?
• 43:04
  Yeah. And when I do something dumb or
• 43:06
  say something dumb or do something that I shouldn't do,
• 43:08
  he be like man you can you can do better than that.
• 43:11
  I don't embarrass the hell out of you, but you listen.
• 43:15
  Yeah. But you listen right.
• 43:17
  There's and there's you know, there's a lot of people that you
• 43:19
  listen to but there's a there's not very many people that you
• 43:22
  put that much trust into and listen to to the 11 that I will
• 43:26
  listen to Rodney, right? And when you find You find like
• 43:31
  I worked my whole career to find a crew chief like that when I
• 43:34
  was like, yeah maybe I should just quit 2018.
• 43:37
  I'll be like, I don't know, spent twenty twenty some years
• 43:41
  looking for you know a relationship like that to be
• 43:45
  able to have the trust and smarts and passion and
• 43:48
  everything is you have I mean we're almost exact same age.
• 43:51
  We have two kids and grew up the same way race, the same things
• 43:55
  and he's calm. I'm hyper.
• 43:58
  You know, there's just there's Rap.
• 44:00
  There's just so many things that are good about it and have been
• 44:03
  good about it. And have, you know, he believes
• 44:06
  in that evolution of the sport and how things evolve and, and
• 44:10
  how, to make things better and believes in the people.
• 44:12
  And he, I've just never you, never, it's hard to find a
• 44:16
  situation where you come in and like, and that was a horrible
• 44:19
  day and he'd be like, man, our car sucked.
• 44:21
  I'm like never one time when he ever say and he drove like shit
• 44:26
  today. Yeah, he would never say that.
• 44:28
  Nobody's perfect but he would. Tell me hey you need you might
• 44:32
  want to look at this. You know what, you might want to
• 44:34
  do this or you might want to create.
• 44:36
  Yeah. And and so he's just, I don't
• 44:39
  know. From the from the very beginning
• 44:41
  he was honest with me and he said, Kevin I don't want to be
• 44:43
  yelled at all day. He's like, I'm not going to put
• 44:45
  up with the fighting and all the all the BS that go along with
• 44:48
  the law down early and and he was just totally upfront with me
• 44:52
  and I was and it really made me think about, okay, who are you?
• 44:56
  What are you doing? And we got done and Rodney
• 45:00
  signed up and I told the land, I said, we're selling our house.
• 45:04
  We're moving to a different town.
• 45:06
  We're selling our cars. We are starting from scratch.
• 45:10
  We Are Persian, I got rid of everything.
• 45:12
  I had we moved to Charlotte and when I work, when I went to work
• 45:16
  for shr, we started with it. Absolutely empty clean sheet of
• 45:20
  paper. And I said, and he said, I
• 45:22
  don't, he's he told me. He said, I don't want you to
• 45:25
  think about anything that you've raced.
• 45:27
  I don't want you to worry about Springs.
• 45:29
  I don't want you to worry. Out, shocks, we're going to come
• 45:31
  in here, we're going to build this together and we're going to
• 45:33
  develop it works for us. And he's like, I don't want to
• 45:35
  hear about anything that you've done.
• 45:37
  I'm not gonna hold on, perfect. Okay, you got me in the left,
• 45:44
  rear quarter panel right now. Let's go, let's go back a little
• 45:47
  bit, so, And straighten this out.
• 45:53
  Are you telling me that you and Elena you know?
• 45:57
  Right sized. Remember we talked about that,
• 45:59
  you got you started you having all this stuff and you right
• 46:03
  sized, you've got rid of everything, are you saying that
• 46:07
  Rodney Childers was a part of that equation or absolute timing
• 46:12
  one at 100%? It was all he was, he was a big
• 46:15
  part of that and he was it wasn't.
• 46:18
  I mean it was it really made us stop and look back at that.
• 46:22
  Things and say, yeah, if we're going to be all in, we're going
• 46:26
  to be all-in. So we sold the team's try.
• 46:29
  You sold our house. This is saying bars, we purged,
• 46:34
  we bought a new house. I mean, we did we changed
• 46:37
  everything. Kenny, you know, it was it was
• 46:39
  to start from the beginning to to win and put yourself in a
• 46:44
  position to be a part of the team and the effort that was
• 46:47
  going to go into your car, to make sure that you are focused
• 46:50
  on Cup. And the Things that you needed
• 46:53
  to do to be successful in Cup. This is absolutely fantastic.
• 46:57
  I love the Kenny conversation because I always was in, don't
• 47:01
  take this wrong because, you know, I care about you.
• 47:03
  I thought the reason you were purging was to have children.
• 47:08
  That was, I mean, it was, it was all in the same time, but you
• 47:11
  remember, we already had kids. When I went to, we already had
• 47:14
  kids. When I went to humans on board
• 47:18
  when I went to Stewart-Haas Racing, okay, but the process
• 47:22
  has started two years before that.
• 47:24
  Like, I signed that, I signed that contract to go to
• 47:27
  Stewart-Haas a year and a half before my contract, ended, it
• 47:31
  Stewart-Haas. And we had started selling the
• 47:33
  teams to the plan. The plan was to purge everything
• 47:37
  in stock Start over. It's fantastic.
• 47:39
  This is good stuff that your key.
• 47:41
  What you're saying is Total Focus you won't you and Elena
• 47:44
  went Total Focus. Yep that was the that was the
• 47:48
  plan. We wanted to start a family
• 47:50
  focus on the cup car and not see anything that we had done in the
• 47:54
  past. It was all new beginning and
• 47:57
  that was and we stepped way out on the limb to go and do that
• 48:01
  with everything. But we, you know, we talked
• 48:03
  about it for years and executed the plan for years in order to
• 48:07
  To put herself in a position that it was the focused on the
• 48:12
  prize family of, you know, having kids and and focus
• 48:17
  everything around around the cup program and making sure that you
• 48:22
  won the races and did the things that you want to do.
• 48:24
  Otherwise, you'd look back on it and wouldn't be sitting in the
• 48:26
  last year saying, well, I'm okay if we don't accomplish anything
• 48:30
  else but that's not the way I want to end it.
• 48:33
  But I'd be okay. This is the point that you
• 48:37
  Wanted to sit at being happy with the fact that you put
• 48:41
  everything in. You are all in, push it all in.
• 48:44
  I'm going to tell you this story, don't want you to comment
• 48:46
  on it. I'll watch the interview.
• 48:48
  They were interviewing the world's wealthiest man at the
• 48:51
  time, maybe 10, 15 years ago, Warren Buffett.
• 48:54
  And they said, warn you, you talked to Alex Rodriguez, you
• 48:58
  know, the great player with the New York Yankees.
• 49:01
  What type of advice do you give a rod?
• 49:06
  And he said, play baseball. Don't be out here trying to
• 49:10
  start these companies, do what you do best.
• 49:14
  It sounds to me, is that what you did 100% getting?
• 49:18
  We started this Housing Development development, one
• 49:20
  time, I love it, - promise, we started this Housing Development
• 49:25
  one time, we bought this house in development.
• 49:27
  I'm like, you know what? These people making all kinds of
• 49:30
  money and I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that.
• 49:32
  Everything crashed. Hmm, 2008 and Circumstance.
• 49:36
  I bought it. I bought it.
• 49:37
  I think I bought it. In 2007, by the time it was all
• 49:40
  said, and I was the only one left with any money, I owned the
• 49:44
  Housing Development. And from that day forward, we
• 49:49
  sold the house in development, eventually and worked ourselves
• 49:52
  out of it, and it worked out fine.
• 49:54
  But from that day forward, I told him, I said, you know what
• 49:57
  businesses, we need to be in going forward unless it has four
• 50:01
  wheels and tires on it. Mmm.
• 50:03
  Not doing it because we don't know anything about anything
• 50:07
  else. We Going to we are going to work
• 50:09
  to race because that work H I came from to a little bit.
• 50:13
  No, you know, I think cage I was really more about the management
• 50:18
  company. Well KH I started because it was
• 50:21
  really I just wanted to win a truck race because we had never
• 50:24
  been able to, with the family team and and everything that we
• 50:28
  had its peers. We were never able to win a
• 50:30
  truck race and I didn't want to go through the my career and
• 50:32
  say, you know, I race trucks but I never won and really the case.
• 50:38
  Ehi team itself started because General Motors came to us and
• 50:41
  said they didn't want to get beat by Toyota.
• 50:44
  So they gave us a sponsor. They gave us the engines and
• 50:47
  helped us helped us start the team to go truck racing and
• 50:50
  that's that's really where it's great took off to the point of
• 50:54
  being more than a hobby. That's really when it turned
• 50:55
  into a business and then in 2005 you know we had the truck teams
• 51:01
  already running and Tony came to us.
• 51:03
  He didn't want to drive for Joe Gibbs and he said, will you
• 51:06
  build me some Busch cars? So I built That's how we started
• 51:09
  the bush team. This Tony Tony didn't want to
• 51:12
  drive for Joe Gibbs, so he brought mr.
• 51:14
  Clean and all the Old Spice sponsorship to our team because
• 51:18
  I don't know what was happening. But so we built Tony's Busch
• 51:23
  cars and then that started the Busch Series teams because Tony
• 51:26
  Tony wanted to erase those cars. And then when we shut it all
• 51:30
  down, I kept, let's see, one two, Three.
• 51:35
  I kept the three, three or four main people from I guess, three
• 51:39
  from khi. And in all honesty, it's like
• 51:43
  everything else. Can he?
• 51:44
  You know, you're just sitting having a conversation in the
• 51:47
  right spot, right? Time feels good and it all works
• 51:50
  out well. I was sitting in the infield in
• 51:52
  2012 and tap the tap out clothing brand.
• 51:56
  Hmm, brought a Bus full of Fighters to the Texas Motor
• 51:59
  Speedway. Here's the story.
• 52:01
  Now, this is where I want to hear.
• 52:04
  We had just sold all the race teams in the buildings and
• 52:07
  everything we'd sold into three or four different people.
• 52:09
  So we were out of racing and but I had I kept, I kept all, I kept
• 52:13
  my three main people because I knew I wanted to do something
• 52:17
  different. Just didn't didn't know what I
• 52:19
  wanted. My stuff to continue
• 52:20
  functioning, well, mother function, mother function.
• 52:24
  Yeah. So in 2012, tap out brought that
• 52:27
  bus of people and I'm sitting in a chair with Donald Cerrone,
• 52:30
  Cowboy? Hmm.
• 52:31
  Yeah, you can of Budweiser, And just watching the race hanging
• 52:35
  out in the infield, met him for the first time.
• 52:38
  He invited me to a fight. Josh, and I mother function
• 52:41
  drove to a drove to a fight in Virginia Military.
• 52:44
  Only we sat in the stands, watched him fight started.
• 52:48
  Just going to a few of Donald's fights and he called one day and
• 52:52
  he said, hey I got a question. He's like, I like the way you
• 52:54
  guys do business and function as a group, and the way that they
• 52:59
  do, your schedule in the way, way that you guys go about
• 53:01
  things, you guys, You guys be interested in managing me?
• 53:06
  Well, I'll be darned and that's how cage I management started.
• 53:09
  That is fantastic. Yep.
• 53:11
  Was from, from Donald Cerrone conversation and just hanging
• 53:14
  out with us, in going to a few fights.
• 53:18
  And so we started with Donald and we basically just inserted
• 53:22
  him into the day-to-day process of how I was and just learn the
• 53:27
  UFC system. And, and he went to his first
• 53:31
  fight, he had sponsors from head to toe.
• 53:33
  Well, I'm sure you brought NASCAR into fighting.
• 53:37
  Well, at that particular time. They didn't have any rules on
• 53:42
  their shorts. They just had to approve the
• 53:44
  sponsors. So I'm like, well, what better
• 53:46
  way to give our sponsors of some fringe benefits here.
• 53:50
  We'll just put all of our sponsors on his shorts because
• 53:53
  it's cheap and he wins all the time.
• 53:55
  We can take them to the fight, they can get the exposure on TV.
• 53:59
  And that's really how the concept of sharing with the It's
• 54:03
  in the sponsors and being a little more diverse in where the
• 54:10
  sponsorship goes and and and being able to, You Know, cover
• 54:14
  more territory than just NASCAR. Because everybody doesn't like,
• 54:17
  NASCAR, everybody doesn't like the UFC.
• 54:20
  Well anyway, you're when you're there, you are again with your
• 54:22
  high IQ, Common Sense. Kenny, I just connect the dots.
• 54:26
  I'm like, I'm like the kid in the coloring book.
• 54:28
  I just like to connect the dots right?
• 54:30
  We can make it. Do you have any car network of
• 54:32
  people? Bigger, and Yes, Ops to connect
• 54:35
  and we have more done skillfully.
• 54:36
  Good people were things. But so anyway, Donald had a
• 54:40
  bunch of sponsors on his shorts, he fought twice and then Miesha
• 54:43
  Tate called. She's amazing.
• 54:45
  Hey, what a great name? Yeah.
• 54:47
  And so she called and she said, hey, I noticed that Donald has a
• 54:51
  lot of sponsors on his shorts which they let me out for ice
• 54:53
  cream now. Yeah, interesting.
• 54:57
  We still represent Donald retired.
• 54:59
  Misha still rising. And then we started working with
• 55:02
  Jay Cohen on On the sponsorship side and some of his events and
• 55:07
  now it's evolved into into what it is and it's a lot easier from
• 55:11
  the management side. Now because of the fact that we
• 55:14
  can represent more drivers now that I'm stepping out of the
• 55:17
  car, it's not so complicated to have more drivers because now I
• 55:21
  can help them with their day-to-day stuff.
• 55:23
  With their team, I can help their teams with them.
• 55:25
  We can help them with sponsorship and we can share the
• 55:29
  we can share the wisdom. Kenny so you know, I have a
• 55:32
  little clock in my I left hand corner, just on the computer,
• 55:35
  we've been going for almost an hour 58 minutes and Like I said,
• 55:41
  we can't do it all. We're going to have to have a
• 55:44
  three-part episode know and I will and I really appreciate
• 55:47
  that. There's so much more to ask you
• 55:50
  about TV. Okay, I just got to go back
• 55:54
  through this. Just I want it.
• 55:56
  We got to start ending so TV. I'm going to make the comment
• 56:00
  and then you tell me what you think, You made TV cool for the
• 56:06
  new era people because your sponsors saw you on TV and
• 56:11
  they're like, that's Kevin Harvick, he represents us and
• 56:16
  then the other drivers got jealous because their sponsors
• 56:20
  are like, why aren't you on TV like Harvard?
• 56:22
  Because Joey Logano, he's the shell guy but he wasn't on TV.
• 56:27
  Is that what you think happened? I don't know that anybody got
• 56:30
  jealous. I think there's a few of them
• 56:31
  that pay attention. Like right, Joe, he's a smart
• 56:34
  guy, and you guys want, and I'm a smartass.
• 56:37
  Yeah. Well, you know, I think, I think
• 56:39
  as you go through, as you go through the next 10 years,
• 56:42
  you'll, I think a lot of people will understand, you know, how
• 56:46
  ingrained and and, and how much Joey cares about the sport, and
• 56:50
  the things that he does, but he pays attention, he can drive the
• 56:52
  car fast, but he pays attention right, he's smart.
• 56:55
  I was using him for an example. That's right shells.
• 56:58
  Like hey, you need to be on TV. Yeah.
• 56:59
  So, you know, there's there's a few of those guys that are That
• 57:03
  are paying attention and see in the exposure.
• 57:05
  I wouldn't I would never call it jealousy because of the fact
• 57:08
  that, you know, I think that there's just going to be some
• 57:12
  that understand how it works and there's going to be some that
• 57:15
  don't understand how it work. And I think, you know, a lot of
• 57:18
  those guys are just, you know, the Logano and Blaney and and
• 57:24
  there's a few of them Keselowski that do it every week because
• 57:27
  they see the value of being on TV and people hear in your voice
• 57:31
  and seeing your name. But also it keeps you in tune
• 57:34
  with the sport and being able to see what everybody else sees see
• 57:38
  what everybody else sees and understand what they're talking
• 57:41
  about. And not just, you know, not just
• 57:43
  complaining about well TV does this and I, why do they do that
• 57:46
  and why they use? Well, if you spend enough time
• 57:48
  with them, you can get the answers to those questions.
• 57:50
  They may not agree with you, but you can at least have a better
• 57:52
  understanding of where it's where it's headed and what's
• 57:56
  doing. So there's there's no there's
• 58:01
  and you hear the You hear this all the time.
• 58:04
  You probably know this as well, but social media is great.
• 58:08
  But it doesn't come close to the exposure that you get on TV.
• 58:11
  So yeah, that's why we're all here is to be on to be on
• 58:15
  television. You want your car on TV?
• 58:16
  The most you want your name, set on TV, the most, you want the
• 58:19
  most most exposure, the most exposure brings the most value.
• 58:23
  And, you know, more value means you can buy more tires, right?
• 58:28
  Or more power, pretty, and it's go-kart Alright, so here's the
• 58:35
  tough part, this is where Charlie's going to edit it up
• 58:38
  and this would be that 10 or 15 minutes section that we do with
• 58:42
  every every person that comes on any conversation and I don't
• 58:46
  want to get you in trouble. Like I told Tony and he didn't
• 58:50
  and same with Mark Martin. So here we go.
• 58:54
  Your opinion on NASCAR and I'm going to give you the, you know,
• 58:59
  the order. So your opinion on the a NASCAR
• 59:03
  is going about these penalties and these finds.
• 59:08
  Well, I think that the intention the intention was to stop all
• 59:11
  the garbage right was was to stop, you know, I think unless
• 59:15
  they know it's real. Then there, then they're not.
• 59:19
  Then the teams are just going to keep going.
• 59:22
  So you got to remember one thing.
• 59:25
  The teams have been as much a part of Designing these rules
• 59:29
  and penalties. And the way that this goes as
• 59:32
  much as Nascar has been. So I see it from a different
• 59:36
  perspective because the teams and NASCAR are the ones that
• 59:40
  have come up with a lot of this stuff, you know, as far as the
• 59:45
  penalties, but in the end You know, I think it in order for
• 59:49
  this car to work, like I think that you have to be, if you're
• 59:55
  going to, you have, if you're going to treat the body and the
• 59:58
  engine and the tires as a, no, no go policy.
• 1:00:01
  You have to be strict. And, you know, let's face it.
• 1:00:05
  If you're in the, if you're the, if you're the, if you're the, if
• 1:00:09
  you're the guy owned in the team, it's a, it's a, it's a big
• 1:00:11
  money game. And, you know, I think you're
• 1:00:15
  saying that The car owners, they have to near the teams.
• 1:00:21
  They have to deter the teams from, they asked for this car
• 1:00:24
  and asked if he would are. And they asked for this car.
• 1:00:27
  And they ask for, they ask for tougher rules so you can't have
• 1:00:30
  it both ways, right? I got you.
• 1:00:32
  Okay. So, well, let's just talk about
• 1:00:34
  what you just said, the next-gen car.
• 1:00:37
  That's the name of it. I'm going to phrase this in a
• 1:00:41
  little different way than I did Tony and Mark before you Do you
• 1:00:46
  like this car? If you were to design the car
• 1:00:49
  was this, the type of car you would design.
• 1:00:52
  I would not have designed it this way.
• 1:00:54
  Well, would you design? What would you went out?
• 1:00:56
  You know, I think that's a, that's a loaded gun, right?
• 1:00:59
  Because don't get yourself in trouble.
• 1:01:01
  There's a, that's a loaded gun, you know?
• 1:01:04
  But you know, I think look, this, this car is a lot like the
• 1:01:09
  car of tomorrow. When we started the car
• 1:01:11
  tomorrow, it was the biggest piece of crap.
• 1:01:15
  If that you could ever put on the racetrack, right?
• 1:01:17
  And I'll be doing on a backhoe, that's all we did for five
• 1:01:27
  years, was change that car and that's the bottom line.
• 1:01:30
  Like the car did not, the car has not performed how everybody
• 1:01:34
  wants it to perform. You know a lot of the
• 1:01:37
  aerodynamics are made on the bottom.
• 1:01:39
  It didn't crash well. We've made that better but we
• 1:01:42
  got to make a race better. Everybody knows that.
• 1:01:45
  We got to make it race better and I think a lot of that is
• 1:01:47
  going to come through the aerodynamics of the car.
• 1:01:49
  There are a lot of neat things about the car.
• 1:01:52
  You know, I think the way that it shifts and, you know, the
• 1:01:56
  wheels and tires and the thought process of how it's supposed to
• 1:01:59
  be. But right now, that none of that
• 1:02:02
  matters until we get the racing exactly, right.
• 1:02:05
  And that is all going to come through, making the tires fall
• 1:02:08
  off more, get the aerodynamics right?
• 1:02:10
  And it's, you know, there's going to be some things that
• 1:02:12
  have to be overhauled, how I would.
• 1:02:15
  Design it, you know, I think I think the design of the car I
• 1:02:19
  think was done a lot with those sports car mentality.
• 1:02:22
  And, you know, I think that the teams have fixed a lot of the,
• 1:02:28
  when we had the, when we had the car tomorrow, the team's fixed
• 1:02:31
  all the problems, right? Mmm.
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  They just went to their Fab shop and said, oh, we got to cut the
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  clip off. Oh, we got to cut the roof off
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  and we put a new one on and it was done in a week.
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  Now, that is not possible when you Want to change something,
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  you have to go to the manufacturer, you have to go to
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  the team's, you have to go to NASCAR, you have to change
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  rules. I mean it is a long long
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  process. And, you know, I think that's
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  the that's the part that that everybody's trying to go through
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  right now is the process to change.
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  It is slow and I went when it was before the teams would bail
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  you out because they could fix things so fast in my mind.
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  I'm thinking to myself and you just comment on my thought
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  Because I'm trying to keep you out of trouble.
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  I'm thinking, why did they design his car?
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  Oh, I know why, because I know the car owners went to NASCAR
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  and I believe maybe this is my theory, I don't know this Roger
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  Penske, won them over. Maybe Jim, you know that chip
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  ganassi isn't in the sport anymore but he's IndyCar type
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  owners. You know, hey, let me buy this
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  car from Europe, comes in a crate, I bolted together.
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  Am I way off on my thinking? It is okay if I am.
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  Yeah. I don't know.
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  I don't know the specifics. I've tried to stay very driver
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  specific and work on the things that we can work on, because
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  that's why you're happy that. Well, no, I I just the owner
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  side of things and the NASCAR, the owner NASCAR relationship.
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  I just don't know a lot about because I don't know the inner
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  workings of it to the T and that's why we've tried to stay
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  so driver-focused. But the thing that I will tell
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  you is, I think in concept from the Inning to get the cost under
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  control and do the things that we needed to do as a sport in
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  order to do that, the theory of the cars, correct.
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  I think it's just going to take a little bit longer to get the
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  racing where we want it to be and it's just going to be a
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  little more expensive for a few more years than what they
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  thought. And I think I think the runway
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  to the car and the concept of cost and the things that go with
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  it is just going to take a little bit it's going to take a
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  couple years longer. Because of the fact that they're
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  just going to have to, they're going to have to change some
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  things in order to make it right.
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  Kevin, do you think it would benefit NASCAR in the future to
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  maybe one day? Think that we're going to have
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  this error coming up and it would be two years where there
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  will be no, NASCAR major changes, you know little
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  thousand dollar deal here or there but it just seems like we
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  just did that for two years. We had a parts freeze.
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  We had a parts freeze not two years ago.
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  So, during the last year covid, we had a parts freeze, you
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  couldn't submit any new parts. And the year before, you could
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  only, you only had there was a certain parts free.
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  So before we went to this car, we had two years where
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  development was frozen on the engines, the cars and developing
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  parts, and the last year you couldn't develop anything, you
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  had what you had. So we've been there and They
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  know how to do this. And, you know, I think when we
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  went through covid Cove, it taught us a lot about how we
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  could function as a sport. And I think covid also bought us
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  saved Our Lives, saved our lives in delaying, the next-gen car.
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  One year to be able to develop it to the point where they
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  released it. But but covid taught us a lot
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  about the processes of how we could function as a sport and
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  through all those parts freezes leading into what led to The
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  next gen car to help the owners absorb.
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  You know, some of the some of the savings of the last two
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  years of that car of last Jims Car before we got to next-gen.
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  So there was some good things that came out of covid.
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  I'm going to say this, tell me if I'm full of crap or not
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  Wilkesboro and our dear friend Marcus Smith who is a dear
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  friend of mine. I'm doing the NASCAR raceday,
• 1:06:37
  shows gets a seven million dollar Grant, you know?
• 1:06:42
  Covid money and maybe that saves the North Wilkesboro Speedway in
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  my far-fetched. No, I I think there's a number
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  of good things that came out of covid for our Sport and and I
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  think the efficiencies and just kind of how fast the sport was
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  and and pushing ourselves to just get to the racetrack,
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  right? And we didn't have too much
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  money. We were spending way too much
• 1:07:06
  money and we're still spending too much money but you know, I
• 1:07:10
  think covid really opened Everybody's eyes to where we
• 1:07:13
  could raise when we could raise how we raised and the things
• 1:07:17
  that we did in order to get to the racetrack.
• 1:07:20
  So there are a lot of, there's a lot of things that came out of
• 1:07:23
  covid that changed our sport forever.
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  I mean, we went to Kansas last week.
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  I left Saturday morning and got home Sunday night at 9:30.
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  Fantastic. Hey, you know, that the way that
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  we function allows you to have a family and do the things and and
• 1:07:42
  that you couldn't have done 15 years ago you when you are.
• 1:07:46
  I'm throwing inaudible here on the conversation because you
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  reminded me of it. I saw I saw a young Kevin
• 1:07:55
  Harvick so years ago, Kevin Harvick jumps over a car and is
• 1:08:00
  ready to take out. Greg Biffle.
• 1:08:02
  So, I saw at Kansas, you know, two guys, go out and on Pit
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  Road. I thought it was Great
• 1:08:12
  entertainment, what was your thought?
• 1:08:16
  Well, I can tell you that 2002 for me sucked.
• 1:08:20
  It's just start the year and a lot of that was a show so you
• 1:08:28
  didn't need to jump over that car but you thought I'm gonna go
• 1:08:30
  at it. When you if I'd have been
• 1:08:31
  running good, I wouldn't have jumped over that car, right?
• 1:08:34
  Yes. But you know I think I think
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  sometimes, you know, in order to keep yourself relevant, you got
• 1:08:39
  to do some things that are a little far-fetched, right?
• 1:08:42
  You're right mother in order to in order to in order to in order
• 1:08:46
  to in order to keep it entertaining.
• 1:08:51
  Man, I'm did you like it or not? This weekend broadcasting rare
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  back? I mean, that was the one of the
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  most solid landed punches. I think in NASCAR history.
• 1:09:03
  Yeah, my opinion. Ross gets a Ross gets a lot of
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  grief, but he didn't do anything wrong there.
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  He was just standing next to his car and the guy came down and he
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  told him twice. He said, stop stop.
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  And then he just pounded him, he's pulling him around like a
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  little bitch. Like he was a little baby.
• 1:09:23
  I get I get torn on this kidney because I don't like it, you
• 1:09:28
  know, I think when the the security guards and the
• 1:09:30
  officials and everybody are there and you see something like
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  that, you see, one guy get a shot in like if they're going to
• 1:09:37
  fight, they need to let him fight a little bit.
• 1:09:39
  Yeah, no, I didn't get it. They're not going to let them
• 1:09:41
  fight. We look silly.
• 1:09:43
  Yeah. Did you feel bad for Noah
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  Braxton? Not getting that punch in.
• 1:09:48
  I did a little bit. I did too.
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  And I think I think for me there's just something about it
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  in everything that we do in today's world that I just I wish
• 1:10:00
  they would just fight in the parking lot with never know
• 1:10:02
  about it, right? Like if it's that big a deal
• 1:10:04
  like just go go somewhere else. I don't even I don't even know
• 1:10:09
  that. I don't even know that I liked
• 1:10:12
  it actually happened. Yeah, while you are.
• 1:10:15
  You are you are you going soft? I'm not going to stop time.
• 1:10:19
  Just looking at it from a national level, I don't know, I
• 1:10:25
  don't know, I don't know if we look professional or we don't
• 1:10:27
  look professional because sometimes I watch flame all
• 1:10:30
  Races and I watch them just look like a bunch of idiots.
• 1:10:34
  Chasing each other around the racetrack with Jack handles and
• 1:10:37
  stuff like that. It's entertaining to watch for.
• 1:10:40
  How is it? You know, how does it look from
• 1:10:43
  somebody that you know is watching from the outset?
• 1:10:47
  I don't know I'm torn because, you know, like I feel like if
• 1:10:50
  you walk down there and you, you know, are looking for a fight,
• 1:10:53
  you get punched in the mouth. It's okay.
• 1:10:55
  But I don't know. It's like it was all it all felt
• 1:10:58
  weird to me with the way that the crew guys were back and and
• 1:11:01
  the officials were standing right there and then you secure,
• 1:11:04
  Two guards in and one you know one punch in.
• 1:11:06
  It's like oh fights over so I don't know but it was a good
• 1:11:09
  shot swing. First sweetheart, you're making
• 1:11:13
  me keep going here because you're it's so good.
• 1:11:18
  I raced my dirt car inside the dome last year in December and
• 1:11:25
  you know, where the Rams played football.
• 1:11:27
  So I have to go through the last chance race.
• 1:11:31
  There's a lot of cars there, but it's called win and you're in.
• 1:11:34
  And I had to win it and I sent the car, I biked up a lot and I
• 1:11:38
  win the race on the very last lap and all of a sudden I can
• 1:11:42
  hear there's like 30,000 people I can hear and you know I was
• 1:11:45
  just in defense mode I'm like you are I'm well I'm like this I
• 1:11:49
  got to win this race, I win it. And I forget for a minute and I
• 1:11:53
  look around and I'm like, oh my God, I got to do something, I
• 1:11:57
  just can't, you know? So I get up and I do Ric Flair
• 1:12:02
  and I got out of the car and I knew I had to do something.
• 1:12:06
  I thought I couldn't go wrong doing Ric Flair.
• 1:12:08
  So, are you saying that? Sometimes it's okay to entertain
• 1:12:13
  the crowd, 100%. Wow, I like that.
• 1:12:18
  You have to look. That's, that's why those people
• 1:12:20
  are there, right? Sometimes you got to think about
• 1:12:22
  what's happening. You got to think about the
• 1:12:23
  circumstances, you got to think about the moment and maybe
• 1:12:26
  that's what know is thinking about, but it just didn't turn
• 1:12:29
  out. We're obviously looking it,
• 1:12:31
  didn't. It didn't turn out exactly
• 1:12:34
  exactly how it should have been. But absolutely, you always have
• 1:12:38
  to think about entertaining the crowd and being in the moment
• 1:12:42
  and realizing where you are and what you're doing, and how to
• 1:12:46
  capitalize on a situation and get the most out of it.
• 1:12:49
  Because that's, that's part of your job is to entertain those
• 1:12:53
  people, not only to be exciting, but they want to know.
• 1:12:57
  They want to see the fire and the passion, and the care, and
• 1:12:59
  the love. And every other feeling in the
• 1:13:01
  world that you have. With what you do.
• 1:13:04
  Because I mean that's just that's just part of part of how
• 1:13:10
  it all works and and you know I think sometimes you just got to
• 1:13:14
  you got to recognize the moment and do what you think is right?
• 1:13:18
  Right. You got to jump up on top of
• 1:13:19
  that car even though it's a be main, there's 30,000 people
• 1:13:21
  cheering for you. There was more of them that more
• 1:13:24
  more videos showed of you standing on the cart that dirt
• 1:13:27
  race, then the guy that one. Yeah, Kevin, you were fantastic
• 1:13:30
  Aisha. I really appreciate you so much.
• 1:13:34
  I want to congratulate you on. I mean, there's still a lot of
• 1:13:37
  racing to go but I see all good things.
• 1:13:39
  I see what you're doing with Keelan.
• 1:13:42
  He's going to be a great race car driver that, that little
• 1:13:45
  daughter Piper. She's the love of your life.
• 1:13:48
  That Elena is behind you. You got the most beautiful
• 1:13:52
  family. I love you.
• 1:13:54
  I want to thank you for teaching me, finally, how to get around
• 1:13:56
  Atlanta, but I did run really good that race and up But
• 1:14:00
  listen, everybody that's it. Kevin Harvick the man he's done
• 1:14:05
  it all. And as we wind down here,
• 1:14:07
  remember the Kenny Wallace show is now on podcast form.
• 1:14:12
  This one was an hour and 15 minutes.
• 1:14:14
  So on your way to work, you can listen to us on the way to work
• 1:14:17
  on your way home. We're on Spotify, iTunes, and
• 1:14:23
  Kevin. Thank you.
• 1:14:24
  No problem. Kenny, and make sure you don't
• 1:14:26
  tear that late model up. Yes, right 100.
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  I'm Laura. Hold on, hold on.
• 1:14:43
  Dale jr. Jeff Burton, this man writer,
• 1:14:46
  Kevin Harvick. Justin marks they, in my
• 1:14:49
  opinion, they really help the cars Tour series, they own it
• 1:14:52
  now, and I'm going to drive the cars towards Series race, it's
• 1:14:56
  going to be met. 27th at Tri County Speedway and up them.
• 1:15:02
  You were the one that texted me? Do you remember how to run
• 1:15:05
  Asphalt? And I'm like, I got this.
• 1:15:08
  Hey good job. I've had I've had more fun
• 1:15:11
  practice in my late model and just watching Rodney build it
• 1:15:14
  and everything that we've done in our shop.
• 1:15:16
  So you're going to you're going to have a blast there.
• 1:15:18
  They're fun to drive. I get to drive mine.
• 1:15:20
  I get to race mine for the first time Tuesday.
• 1:15:22
  So We're just we're just we're getting ready to, we're getting
• 1:15:26
  ready to pull straighter out of the dirt series.
• 1:15:29
  And putting back on asphalt, we're going to have like, some
• 1:15:31
  Kenny Wallace Ken Schrader Grudge matches.
• 1:15:35
  It's awesome. What do you think?
• 1:15:36
  We still, we still love rice and we're not going to give up and
• 1:15:39
  we're never going to sit on the couch and I know you won't be
• 1:15:42
  there. That's, that's the best.
• 1:15:43
  My favorite part about Racers is we all sometimes we all talk
• 1:15:47
  about this, screw that screw this.
• 1:15:50
  We all loved it so much, we aren't going anywhere.
• 1:15:52
  So tired of Will it until we get home run today and sit on the
• 1:15:55
  couch? All right man.
• 1:15:57
  Well I buddy, thank you so much. Everybody once again, listen to
• 1:16:01
  Spotify, iTunes were in podcast form until the next Kenny
• 1:16:05
  conversation Will it until we get home run today and sit on
• 1:15:55
  the couch? All right man.
• 1:15:57
  Well I buddy, thank you so much. Everybody once again, listen to
• 1:16:01
  Spotify, iTunes were in podcast form until the next Kenny
• 1:16:05
  conversation